Isn't that the truth ...not to mention the unbelievably great work by the detectives, and investigators. Not often do we see the truth in these stories involving organized crime where justice is served. Great praise to the authorities doing their job.
@@evenlyanxious just to drop that bombshell at the end and start. That the police knew for 5 years who did it and that female was lying to them and they know that to be true
@@junglejim5785 I’m all for the death penalty but it’s been proven that it’s not a deterrent. A monster will do what a monster does. Death penalty will not deter him. He won’t think twice. And many who have died by death penalty were proven innocent by DNA. I wouldn’t want that on my conscience.
@@junglejim5785 ever been to California? Doesn’t sound like it. I’m humored by those who bash California and never been there. Not sure if you’re one of them but..
@@tonisumblin2719 The only time I would be for it is IF it's actually proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. But in this day and age it's more of a clusterf _ _k. So I agree with you on that.
Used to be a time when no matter what someone was involved with, you didn't go after the innocent kids and usually even the wife unless she was directly involved. So sad, the kids especially did nothing wrong and so freaking senseless
It's because it's a show that's about crime in the Seattle area that airs weekly. It started after they canceled Washington's most wanted. It's more detailed then a regular news report.
The dad brought it on his family. He was the plug and got dealt with. Happens ALL THE TIME!! He had 300k and Kilos. They could have gotten away with it if they didn't touch the money for 4 months
Great reporting! My dad was a biker when I was a little child, he was in and out of jail he went from one woman to the next and now my dad is a born-again Christian thankfully but he’s a stranger to his grandkids and he doesn’t intimately know his children just over the phone and through email. Sad waste of life being an outlaw
Was he bandido too ? Saw your name and I know theres not really any other 1%ers in Texas unless they're affiliated with the Bandidos. Crazy seeing them all the way in Washington
The real criminals are cops who back down when threatened with violence from belligerent weightlifting punks who then get more brave and terrorize entire communities because the average cop has the IQ of a pile of slime.
What a heart breaking phone call to the police from the son, knowing your at the end of your life, bravery is the word, no one deserves this, i hope they dont see the light of day again, RIP. All to all that lost there life.
doesn't matter if they did. the kids were innocent and I guarantee you that if wife knew about it, she had no way of getting out of it with their lives anyway.
Do you really believe that his wife didn't`t know about his drug dealing and the people he associated with? I'm sure she's seen this type of confrontation before hence the reason she didn't`t leave or call the police because she assumed that he'd return later.
The sister said she had no idea of the drug dealing. And thought they were just the perfect little family. Yeah right…. I knew my family was into selling drugs by the time I was like 4. And watched my grandpa go to prison over it on television by age 5 or so. This sister knew her dad was a drug dealer. But these guys deserve the death penalty for what they did. This was one of the best, most detailed reports from both the police and reporter I have seen in any case in a long time. Refreshing to see actual journalism. Very well done.
I mean what do you expect her to say? Oh yeah my dad sold alot of cocaine and that's what they killed my family for. Especially if it was a family connection in which the father was getting his cocaine from.
@Beth she isn’t admitting anything police don’t already know and was exposed even on this report. You can’t be prosecuted for simply saying you know somebody sells drugs. 🤦♂️
I’m so grateful to have turned my life around almost 20 years ago that it would ultimately save my life literally and figuratively. After discharge from the military back in the early 1990’s I quickly joined a Motorcycle “Club”. I was still looking for the brotherhood or camaraderie I once had in the military. Plus I had a mountain of energy and loved motorcycle riding. After about 10 years of brushes with the law, jail time, losing a marriage and facing addiction issues I finally checked into a VA Hospital for treatment in April of 2006. I was not only addicted to prescription Benzos and Opiates I was also deep into my PTSD/Anxiety and many other issues. The time in the hospital allowed me to reflect on my life up until that point. I also had a child who was 3 at the time that needed me to be his father while also a go at a new relationship with his mom. My relationship with my sons mother (my 2nd wife) did not last but my relationship with my son and subsequent son is going strong. Not to mention my 3rd marriage and my relationship with her 3 children. Yes I’m a gluten for punishment I guess! 🤣 Anyways I’m 54 and my wife and I love to travel the U.S. via a motorcycle. I find it so relaxing and a day does not go by where I’m not consciously aware that things may have not ended up this way had I chose that “Club” lifestyle. I’m still the same guy but I make way better choices. I look at clubbing the same way I look at addiction. Jails, Institutions or Death. We all have a choice in life. I just happened to choose and prioritize myself, my sons, my marriage, my community, my country and my faith. Not particularly in that order but all are a priority. ✌🏽🇺🇸🙏
You are so right….everyday we all have choices to make….Congratulations on making a wonderful life not only for you but your whole family…..it takes a big man to see what’s happening in his life and make the efforts to make it better….
@@Findpepperbridge Contrary to popular belief no it is not. Especially if the member was in good standings with everyone. If there’s one thing I learned while being an active member and meeting members of many other clubs both big and small is that we all respect our brothers, their families and love this country. I needed help in a bad way and couldn’t continue on the way I had or I woulda died, because of that my family at home also suffered so I had to make that choice and put myself and my family as the priority above all else. If those members who said they were my brothers loved me like they said they did they all would understand and they in fact did. ✌🏽🇺🇸🙏🏽
Wow what an outstanding piece! Great job Fox 13 Seattle covering this tragic case. The son who came home with pizza...poor kid, so close to escaping from the whole ordeal just made me want for him to hear them and run.
Used to a code that the kids & wife are ALWAYS off limits. They weren't in "the game", the father was. There was no need to kill the kids and wife. Not all clu s work like this, thankfully
Disgusting is a mild word for what these three murderers are, that they were capable of such heinous actions aimed at people whom they knew well, 2 teens who died because of parental drug involvement.
This case has bothered me so bad from the first time I heard about it years ago. This video was very informative and answered a lot of the questions I've had for so long. Good job
@@darleneturner7764 Them and the Amigos have a BIG presence in Washington State. And Bremerton being a hotspot for them. There was a documentary made years ago that mentions a guy named Repo Pete. He used to be a repo man in the Bremerton area. I worked for a car lot that he used to stop into quite frequently. And the Banditos used to frequent a local bar I played pool at.
I guarantee his whole family knew about his drug dealing. They might not know what, but they had to have known it was something. Who tf would kill kids though. What a fucking demon.
he should have taught his wife and kids on how to use a gun and on that day he should have told his wife we got some beef so clutch that ak close to you
i had a feeling when i first heard about this that the father was involved in drug trafficking simply because even the baddest of biker gangs don't target random innocent people
It doesn’t matter drugs or not, theirs gangster street rules regardless, and innocent civilians is off limits ! It’s crazy feds don’t rush to charge these white organized gangs with Rico but went after Italian mob with full force !
I thought that was a code all bikers honored? Is this unusual? Not apart of the lifestyle so honestly asking. Wouldn’t it been the same effect to just shoot the guy who actually pissed them off? Why even involve the kids?
Great job to all who has given this case their all! Your hard work has eventually paid off, and you have brought justice to these families. Kudus…. It is so sad that the two teenagers lost their lives too. RIP!
@@mikeblair2594 that goes without saying! I specify; because theyre so young and have a full life ahead that they didnt get to live or have children of their own.. It is terrible over all, and their moms are no less important ..
Two of the three arrestees were fully-patched members of the club, and the family murders and robbery elevated the status of all three in the club; but, _…’we don’t think that the club was in any way involved in, or sanctioned, the crimes.’_ 🤨
The “Club” is international. How would some charter in Arkansas or Texas or another country have anything to do with this one incident in Washington? Should they shut down/arrest the teachers’ Union when a teacher f*€ks a student?
Believe it or not, members in the club dont always know what other members do. When the prospect got his patch the national probably told them he put in work with him and that made everyone else give the green light for membership .
Absolutely fantastic reporting on this.. I have no words really for how put together this was. It helps to serve justice for this family to know the full details and timeline of such a heinous and barbaric crime.
@@juliaweber212 it happened to that one judges family son and i think their spose were killed by an assassin in a package delivery drivers uniform and was found dead shortly after the cops found out who he was
Don't. Get. Involved. In the drug game as someone who lived near the Mexican border. There is evil walking this world. He dragged his family into this.
Very sad and tragic that young Kids lives were lost for the illegal business of a Father. The Wife / Mom most likely saw them take him away and didn't call the police because of the illegal activities etc. May justice be served.
@@nico348 wait, the wife stayed there after the husband was abducted? Jesus dude, gotta run and go to the cops and immediately be gone. Unless she didn't know what he was into...
@@nico348 Listen carefully from 15:10-16:00. The wife did NOT see her husband get kidnapped. She saw the bikers argue with her husband then she walked back to the house. Her husband was still there when she left the garage, and the reason why she was murdered was that she knew who the suspects were in the garage.
It's so weird how it's always someone close to you that kills you now.... Family and friends. Trust yourself and you can never go wrong. I am a true loner you just never know what people are into.
I'm a loner but I keep track of everyone's movements for my own safety. In a store I'm always watching how people act and move. Always keep your eyes open friend or foe everyone's aginst you to some extent.
@Catania Momma Italia No evidence I have seen that the family was still involved with drugs, sounds more like the Dad cut off ties long ago & the 1 gangbanger had a beef!
Why did you have to bring coke into our neighborhood Jonny? I lived within walking distance to Jonnys home, and I heard the gun fire and was wondering what happened and the next day our neighborhood fell apart and by Oct 2017 we sold our property and moved into Silverdale because I was getting tired of caring a 9mm on me when I was doing yard work. now the family can rest in peace.😨
When adults deal in drugs, their families are left to pay the price, when you deal with these types, you damn sure better be ready, to deal with what comes with it, in this tragic situation the family paid a high price for drug dealing…..Smh!
Either someone stood at the house and watched the family while they took the dad or the wife new about all of the drugs because how did they kidnap the dad and the wife not call the cops or at least get herself and whomever else was in the house out, but instead they just stood home until they came back to kill everyone, I think someone stood with the family to make sure nobody left
This is what happens when you deal drugs and associate with biker gangs. I have no sympathy for the dad and his wife for being with a drug dealer scumbag but the kids did not deserve this! I hope they all enjoy the rest of their life in prison!
@Jay Marley I agree with you, I don’t where in my comment I said that outlaw bike are good people? I’m not just talking about outlaw bike gangs, I’m talking about bikers in general. There is bike riders that just like to cruise without getting in trouble, most people believe that anyone in a Harley all dress in black are automatically bad people and they are not that is what I’m saying!!
That’s just like anything if you have a big organization you’re gonna have some bad apples in it you’re not gonna have an organization with thousands of people in it and expect everyone to be in line or follow in line and it’s not like they’re all under one umbrella there’s different chapters so different chapters they all go by different leaders in different underlined rules even though they’re under that one particular biker gang organization that’s just how anything is it’s just like the street gangs you’re talking about you have some good ones that protect the community and don’t do drugs and all that other stuff or crap and you have a lot that do is with anything sadly to say that day.;,(
Great Detective work! Congratulations, I hope this helps the family with some kind of Closure 🙏 What a awful tragedy over something as senseless as drugs! If you have a addiction please get help!
@ThinkMoneyGetMoney ThinkGoldGetGold TV mimics real life! Where do you think the writers for the TV shows an movie get their ideas?! Based on true life events. You must not know anyone in a biker gang.
Why does a grown ass man with a job still have the need to cosplay as a gangster? Biker gangs in many ways are childish, and seeing them walk around Bremerton the last 5 years while everyone knew they were involved in this case has felt insurmountably disrespectful.
I make $100k and still live paycheck to paycheck and wonder if my a automobile issue, bad roof, hurt child, disease, a broken pipe under home etc will ruin me.I don’t condone it but I can see why the extra cash would be so tempting.
I’m pretty sure the entire family knew he was dealing drugs, the wife probably knew too. You can’t be that naive. This is the cost of doing business when you play criminal games. I feel bad for the kids.
Very detailed reporting. So much violence, so cold, all over money. You’d think they were avenging their dead mothers or something, glad these Neanderthals were caught. They all deserve to be compose for the prison grass.
This is so weird. I was at an event with Bobby about 2 months ago, sitting across from him for a couple of hours and just chatting about things. He comes across as a nice guy. Would have never thought he did this, but the evidence looks pretty damning. Killers aren't obvious, I guess.
Extremely sad !!! This family all lost their lives to a set of humans who are law breaking demons yet they murdered a whole family for not playing by their rules? Dads this happened when you act the good family man yet dealing in drugs which is just death and destruction to other families!!! It’s not worth it.. I feel for the daughter. Your dad put all the family in this mess!!!!
Actions have consequences and I am sure it never crossed his mind that his family could be hurt or killed. Lord forgive us our trespasses and help us forgive those who trespass against us.
Great investigative piece and I'm so proud of the brave men and women of the KCSO and their law enforcement partners who saw this case through. I hope that the perpetrators of this despicable crime receive the full punishment that they deserve!
Clearly they aren't doing their job well enough on the corrections side, that P.C threat basically meant that, said club member who was threatened in court basically got told, you better get P.C or you going to be killed, in the 1% lifestyle you don't harm women and children, they ain't in the game
Violent murderous gang members should receive the death penalty not a life sentence behind bars where they can continue to participate in organized crime and ordering murders. Why are we wasting resources on the clearly unredeemable?!
Worse yet are convicted pedo's ! Some of these scumbags get very long sentences and lay in their cells "touching themselves" while fantasizing about their crimes for decades. I say put animals like that DOWN !! They are NOT redeemable !!!!!
@@thefreshprinceofnohair9703 okay tell that to a geriatric old person who cant lift a cup of water without pain but has one of those special cripple guns with no recoil when a home invader brakes in
When my Dad was 80 I told him to pretend that a toy a gun was real and put it next to his chair while I pretended to be a intruder rushing in , we realized a gun probably wouldn’t help him because I could always get him before he could grab the gun in this simulation.
@@thefreshprinceofnohair9703 I can use my fists, that’s a fact. If you’re ever in Saltville Virginia look me up. My name is Todd Bonn. As for guns… Yes, we do need them. There wouldn’t be a United States had without them. I suppose you’re more intelligent than the men who created our nation though.
Bikers, coke, wads of cash and Johnny put his whole family in the middle of it.. Johnny was as much a criminal as the people arrested, for causing the deaths of his family from his illegal behavior.
When you play with the biker gangs, there can be a price to pay. Your family is killed in front of you, then you're given a ride to your final destination. Time to think about where you went wrong in life.
“Who owns a auto shop. Where they use those hydraulic lifts.” Yeah, NO! A hydraulic bottle-jack or press is used to compress drugs as small as possible. No wonder it took this PD so long to get this solved.
@@four_20hitman___97 True, but watch any of the videos of “labs” (I hate that term😂) in South America. There’s always a bottle jack or bearing press with a variety of size welded metal “boxes” in the background. Personally, I like the creativity of smugglers and how they come up with new ways to package/pack their products. One took 12’ aluminum tubes, filled one end 12” with molten aluminum, then smashed 10’ of drugs in it and filled the other end with 12” of aluminum. They polished the tubes to make them look and almost weigh just as much as what solid 12’ long 4” round aluminum “solid” stock would be. My guess is they got many shipments through this way, but someone ratted them out on it so that “party” ended.
Makes me wonder when the wife went back to the house, why didn't she call the cops after seeing her husband forced away. This fact tells a likely story that the husband was into drug trafficking and she was afraid to call cops. Fatal mistake.
The dad was selfish. He bragged about his money and the wolves came for him and his family... My cousin and his 2 friends got clipped over 60k. So u know 300k will have people doing ANYTHING
I am shocked to hear that the gang members condoned the killing of the mother and her sons. I always thought women and children were off limits in drug beefs. May the murderers slowing rot in hell for eternity. The fear those boys must of felt is unfathomable. At least they can rest in peace knowing the guilty were caught.
That's only in the movies. No one is off limits to drug dealers and certain biker gangs. Especially within the drug world. Cartels and other South American Hispanics,Asian, Arabic, Ukraine and Russian organizations Gangs have No off limits!!! They're called outlaw biker gangs for a reason.
Even if a gang has a zero tolerance policy with talking to law enforcement I would like to think some of them would at least disappear these guys themselves.
That use to be the rule, "no innocent family members get hurt." But the biker world is not the same as it use to be, they really lowered their standards to get as many people In a particular club as possible. These club members don't really understand the "traditional biker" culture. The mc world has really turned to shit.
No the first people you go after are family then the target usually a picture of somebodys wife and kids leaving a Walmart or a school will send the message
I think he means you better be politically correct because the prison is a diverse place. I' m glad through all of this people are still encouraging each other to be respectful of different cultures.
too bad those drugs were already paid for, also you have to get permission from someone very important to take that coke from California to Washington, the cartel is very structured and strict they aren't just going to sell you a kilo and you can just go do whatever you want with it.
My heart goes out to the family of the victims, I hope these monsters get life without parole, unfortunately we don't have the death penalty here in Washington state, RIP to the victims God bless you all and your family 🙏🇺🇲❤️
Death penalty to come. No doubt he was connected with someone in California who isn’t happy about his money maker getting killed and the lost money and drugs from the house. Justice will come just not in a courtroom
All of the west coast states have gone Woke - people will start taking the law in their own hands. Disgusting to let these monsters live - hope the inmates take out the trash.. .
That father brought those monsters right to his own front door the minute he got involved with being a drug dealer. I bet extended family member's were aware of his drug dealing as well. Imagine how many other unrelated deaths occurred because of the drugs he sold. Mom definitely knew what her husband was up to. You play with fire you might get burned, literally.
The same comment u posted has been posted 20x just here. Wanna talk about writing the obvious Mr. copy pasta. Nobody thinks u cool cuz u can press an 8ball into a package the size of a quarter.
It is absolutely ludicrous to state that the Bandidos were unaware of the crimes when two of the men that carried out the murders were promoted to the rank of Regional and National Sargent of Arms respectively.
Okay, so multiple members of a motorcycle club commit several crimes including drug dealing and multiple murders. Lock up the ENTIRE CHAPTER of the MC on RICO CHARGES…. F em! If they don’t charge the entire chapter, the FBI and Federal Prosecutors aren’t doing their job! #FBI #FederalProsecutor
When the murders first happened the media was reporting it like some innocent family was the victim of a random crime. I knew the story didnt sound right from the beginning. This was a criminal thug involved in illegal activity that got his family killed. Not random victims at all.
This kind of detailed reporting is uncommon. Kudos to the investigators.
Isn't that the truth ...not to mention the unbelievably great work by the detectives, and investigators. Not often do we see the truth in these stories involving organized crime where justice is served. Great praise to the authorities doing their job.
Yeah, but why would they say at the end that it's far from over but put the video out now?
@@evenlyanxious why not
@@evenlyanxious just to drop that bombshell at the end and start. That the police knew for 5 years who did it and that female was lying to them and they know that to be true
Exactly!
Playing the drug game is never worth it! The father put his entire family at risk by getting into this mess. I hope the killers get the death penalty.
still trash bikers at the root of it all.
They won't because they don't have the death penalty.
@@junglejim5785 I’m all for the death penalty but it’s been proven that it’s not a deterrent. A monster will do what a monster does. Death penalty will not deter him. He won’t think twice. And many who have died by death penalty were proven innocent by DNA. I wouldn’t want that on my conscience.
@@junglejim5785 ever been to California? Doesn’t sound like it. I’m humored by those who bash California and never been there. Not sure if you’re one of them but..
@@tonisumblin2719 The only time I would be for it is IF it's actually proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. But in this day and age it's more of a clusterf _ _k. So I agree with you on that.
And one of the lessons here is, if you love your family, think twice before you decide to engage in Criminal behavior.
went to school with the kids and they were the kindest people you could ever meet, to think their last night ended the way it did is just sickening
God rest their sweet souls 🙏💔🌹🌹🌹🌹
Used to be a time when no matter what someone was involved with, you didn't go after the innocent kids and usually even the wife unless she was directly involved. So sad, the kids especially did nothing wrong and so freaking senseless
@@Em22-wtf the devil doesn't care. It sent a strong message. Fear is the tool of evil. Rest in peace for the kids. The wife knew woman ain't dumb.
I went to school with these kids to it was kinda crazy. 😐🧢🧢
@@Em22-wtf that shit has always happened.
That’s some Old School Reporting. Glad to see some people understand Journalism.
It's because it's a show that's about crime in the Seattle area that airs weekly. It started after they canceled Washington's most wanted. It's more detailed then a regular news report.
An actual news org... that's refreshing. Thank you for the reporting!
Outstanding reporting. Outstanding investigative work. Thank you all so much.
The dad brought it on his family. He was the plug and got dealt with. Happens ALL THE TIME!! He had 300k and Kilos. They could have gotten away with it if they didn't touch the money for 4 months
Now back to accurate reporting with shitshoeJoe....
Great reporting! My dad was a biker when I was a little child, he was in and out of jail he went from one woman to the next and now my dad is a born-again Christian thankfully but he’s a stranger to his grandkids and he doesn’t intimately know his children just over the phone and through email. Sad waste of life being an outlaw
How long is he in prison?
glad to hear he became a born-again Christian! hope he changed his life around.
Was he bandido too ? Saw your name and I know theres not really any other 1%ers in Texas unless they're affiliated with the Bandidos. Crazy seeing them all the way in Washington
The real criminals are cops who back down when threatened with violence from belligerent weightlifting punks who then get more brave and terrorize entire communities because the average cop has the IQ of a pile of slime.
You said it! Jesus saves 🙏
What a heart breaking phone call to the police from the son, knowing your at the end of your life, bravery is the word, no one deserves this, i hope they dont see the light of day again, RIP. All to all that lost there life.
Motorcycle games getting busted
I wouldn’t be surprised if other families members knew about the smuggling
doesn't matter if they did. the kids were innocent and I guarantee you that if wife knew about it, she had no way of getting out of it with their lives anyway.
so? they deserved to die this way?
That's right. The young lady just talking stupidly.
@@ACB2K just cause she knows doesn't mean she can do anything about it. If her husband is dealing coke you think his wife is gonna stop him?
@@Sojourner_40
Yep. If she knew …
He risked his family's lives to sell drugs. Sadly they didn't just kill him they took those poor boys lives. 😢
Yes, but still....
@@cdl75 at risk? They were all murdered. The father got his whole family killed by playing the drug game.
Do you really believe that his wife didn't`t know about his drug dealing and the people he associated with?
I'm sure she's seen this type of confrontation before hence the reason she didn't`t leave or call the police because she assumed that he'd return later.
she said they was a perfect little family bahhh lol
An the wife’s life ?
Thank you so much for the hard work of those investigators and to civilians who were observant and giving tips
I don't care what the father did them kids didn't deserve this🙏😪🙏
@@OutsideLookingInSports true but still no women or children.
Obviously it don’t matter what you care about……
In this life your kids become targets. It's just the way it is now ..
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Gotta take out the witnesses
The sister said she had no idea of the drug dealing. And thought they were just the perfect little family. Yeah right…. I knew my family was into selling drugs by the time I was like 4. And watched my grandpa go to prison over it on television by age 5 or so. This sister knew her dad was a drug dealer. But these guys deserve the death penalty for what they did. This was one of the best, most detailed reports from both the police and reporter I have seen in any case in a long time. Refreshing to see actual journalism. Very well done.
Highly unlikely you remember ANYTHING at 4....and its highly possible drug dealers are sneaky...
I mean what do you expect her to say? Oh yeah my dad sold alot of cocaine and that's what they killed my family for. Especially if it was a family connection in which the father was getting his cocaine from.
Real journalism would have called them a gang, not a "club".
@@telegraphtelegraphovich4670 except I remember it clear as day. So I don’t give A/S what you think personally.
@Beth she isn’t admitting anything police don’t already know and was exposed even on this report. You can’t be prosecuted for simply saying you know somebody sells drugs. 🤦♂️
I’m so grateful to have turned my life around almost 20 years ago that it would ultimately save my life literally and figuratively.
After discharge from the military back in the early 1990’s I quickly joined a Motorcycle “Club”. I was still looking for the brotherhood or camaraderie I once had in the military. Plus I had a mountain of energy and loved motorcycle riding.
After about 10 years of brushes with the law, jail time, losing a marriage and facing addiction issues I finally checked into a VA Hospital for treatment in April of 2006.
I was not only addicted to prescription Benzos and Opiates I was also deep into my PTSD/Anxiety and many other issues.
The time in the hospital allowed me to reflect on my life up until that point. I also had a child who was 3 at the time that needed me to be his father while also a go at a new relationship with his mom.
My relationship with my sons mother (my 2nd wife) did not last but my relationship with my son and subsequent son is going strong. Not to mention my 3rd marriage and my relationship with her 3 children. Yes I’m a gluten for punishment I guess! 🤣
Anyways I’m 54 and my wife and I love to travel the U.S. via a motorcycle. I find it so relaxing and a day does not go by where I’m not consciously aware that things may have not ended up this way had I chose that “Club” lifestyle.
I’m still the same guy but I make way better choices.
I look at clubbing the same way I look at addiction.
Jails, Institutions or Death.
We all have a choice in life. I just happened to choose and prioritize myself, my sons, my marriage, my community, my country and my faith. Not particularly in that order but all are a priority.
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You are so right….everyday we all have choices to make….Congratulations on making a wonderful life not only for you but your whole family…..it takes a big man to see what’s happening in his life and make the efforts to make it better….
Karma is real. Continued success
Isn’t it hard to get it out?
@@Findpepperbridge Contrary to popular belief no it is not. Especially if the member was in good standings with everyone. If there’s one thing I learned while being an active member and meeting members of many other clubs both big and small is that we all respect our brothers, their families and love this country.
I needed help in a bad way and couldn’t continue on the way I had or I woulda died, because of that my family at home also suffered so I had to make that choice and put myself and my family as the priority above all else. If those members who said they were my brothers loved me like they said they did they all would understand and they in fact did.
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Here's a ? Way didn't you just rein list bobo
Wow what an outstanding piece! Great job Fox 13 Seattle covering this tragic case. The son who came home with pizza...poor kid, so close to escaping from the whole ordeal just made me want for him to hear them and run.
Only station in Western Washington that even tries to inform ...
The Father brought this to his family. He knew the code . Rest in peace for the Young.
Wow your perspective is fucked. Should learn about desperation.
Used to a code that the kids & wife are ALWAYS off limits. They weren't in "the game", the father was. There was no need to kill the kids and wife. Not all clu s work like this, thankfully
@@Em22-wtf that's tv bs
@@Em22-wtf the devil doesn't care
@Tah BOO the club status went up a few more points making it attractive to evil people
Disgusting is a mild word for what these three murderers are, that they were capable of such heinous actions aimed at people whom they knew well, 2 teens who died because of parental drug involvement.
This case has bothered me so bad from the first time I heard about it years ago. This video was very informative and answered a lot of the questions I've had for so long. Good job
Right. Me too!
Didn't know the Banditos were still around.
@@darleneturner7764 Them and the Amigos have a BIG presence in Washington State. And Bremerton being a hotspot for them. There was a documentary made years ago that mentions a guy named Repo Pete. He used to be a repo man in the Bremerton area. I worked for a car lot that he used to stop into quite frequently. And the Banditos used to frequent a local bar I played pool at.
Ultimately, the one who made these killings possible, is John Careaga.
Don’t be a drug dealer.
Great journalism for a change. Thank you.
Bandidos: " expect no mercy".
Fine, do NOT show any mercy to Bandidos or their associates. TAKE THEM DOWN!
These vest wearing loons are the lowest of the low probably all got touched as a kid.
If I were president, I would have them all exterminated.
Good luck. SYLB
@@BagavanSmokey these punk bikers dont scare anyone.
@@Rebirth602 you ain't ever even walk into a clubhouse I guarantee it.
I guarantee his whole family knew about his drug dealing. They might not know what, but they had to have known it was something. Who tf would kill kids though. What a fucking demon.
he should have taught his wife and kids on how to use a gun and on that day he should have told his wife we got some beef so clutch that ak close to you
Agreed
Of course they knew
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Absolutely they knew
I love how they casually mentioned how they were able to identify, attribute and track a burner phone 😂
You’re not a mastermind of murder until you get away with it. These guys are bumbling fools, like the rest of the murderers.
i had a feeling when i first heard about this that the father was involved in drug trafficking simply because even the baddest of biker gangs don't target random innocent people
When you graduate to hard drugs you better be prepared
It doesn’t matter drugs or not, theirs gangster street rules regardless, and innocent civilians is off limits ! It’s crazy feds don’t rush to charge these white organized gangs with Rico but went after Italian mob with full force !
Exactly. Common sense says that it's bad business to get "civilians" involved. Just brings unwanted attention.
100%
Listening to the sister lie about ‘not knowing anything’ makes me sick
Excellent rubbish someone whose family have been murdered,,what a legend you are...
If you mean that XL- woman in the beginning - yeah she was a bad lyer. She could not hide her facial expressions.
Protective Custody because, even in a box with the worst society has to offer, "YOU DONT KILL KIDS!"
Ya right you never been locked up before huh
@@austinsonnenberg6403 #300381 8 wing WSP E tier 23 house…. Respectfully sir for 5 years flat.
@@austinsonnenberg6403 Loki know how it goes down... He speaks from experience, have you been locked up before ?
It’s more like u don’t kill a Mexicans money maker and steal the drugs and money. The Mexicans will get him before the inmate justice does
I thought that was a code all bikers honored? Is this unusual? Not apart of the lifestyle so honestly asking. Wouldn’t it been the same effect to just shoot the guy who actually pissed them off? Why even involve the kids?
Great job to all who has given this case their all! Your hard work has eventually paid off, and you have brought justice to these families. Kudus…. It is so sad that the two teenagers lost their lives too. RIP!
It said they took out the wife and the Sun and the two sons but if daddy wasn't such a monster-ass dumbass drug dealer none of us would have happened.
What about their mom?
@@mikeblair2594 that goes without saying! I specify; because theyre so young and have a full life ahead that they didnt get to live or have children of their own.. It is terrible over all, and their moms are no less important ..
@@mikeblair2594 Remember i said “ too” concerning the young men.. Read my comment again..
I went to elementary school with Danie Kelly in Seabeck. This story is just horrible! May they get the justice they deserve. 🙏🏼
😢 poor guy. Heartbreaking case.
How you remember 30yrs plus
Two of the three arrestees were fully-patched members of the club, and the family murders and robbery elevated the status of all three in the club; but, _…’we don’t think that the club was in any way involved in, or sanctioned, the crimes.’_
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The “Club” is international. How would some charter in Arkansas or Texas or another country have anything to do with this one incident in Washington? Should they shut down/arrest the teachers’ Union when a teacher f*€ks a student?
Believe it or not, members in the club dont always know what other members do. When the prospect got his patch the national probably told them he put in work with him and that made everyone else give the green light for membership .
No kidding. No connection, huh???
It’s because the club decided to snitch on these dudes
exactly, why isn't this being treated as gang violence?
Absolutely fantastic reporting on this.. I have no words really for how put together this was. It helps to serve justice for this family to know the full details and timeline of such a heinous and barbaric crime.
Do you mean actual facts instead of what you are used to hearing in Texas? I agree!!! Fantastic!!!
Thank you.
This is excellent reporting.
He brought this on his family by dealing drugs. The kids probably didn’t know but the adults did
I have to agree with it so sad he had secrets and his family paid for with their lives
@@juliaweber212 it happened to that one judges family son and i think their spose were killed by an assassin in a package delivery drivers uniform and was found dead shortly after the cops found out who he was
No, he brought this on his family by dealing drugs with known biker gang members…
I said the same thing. I 100 percent agree with this comment
@@TheRealRusDaddy Wtf are you going on about?
This is sad beyond words! These murders were revenge murders! There was no reason for murdering of the Wife and 2 sons.
Uh ya....what do you expect when the family business is illicit 🙄
They even killed the goldfish
She saw them leave and knew who they were. They killed every possible witness.
There was plenty reason to murder the wife and kids... They were witnesses.
Don't. Get. Involved.
In the drug game
as someone who lived near the Mexican border. There is evil walking this world. He dragged his family into this.
WOW! What great investigation work.
Very sad and tragic that young Kids lives were lost for the illegal business of a Father. The Wife / Mom most likely saw them take him away and didn't call the police because of the illegal activities etc. May justice be served.
I will never understand someone’s thinking. Murder a whole family…. Because that’s better than robbing or anything else 😏
the wife saw the men abduct her husband, after they took care of him they returned to get rid of the witnesses.
@@nico348 wait, the wife stayed there after the husband was abducted? Jesus dude, gotta run and go to the cops and immediately be gone. Unless she didn't know what he was into...
@@0xsergy thats what they said. She must not have known the circumstances fully or at all, cuz you wouldnt sit there waiting for your demise.
@@nico348 maybe they left a member or 2 at the house, to keep her from calling? Right?
@@nico348 Listen carefully from 15:10-16:00. The wife did NOT see her husband get kidnapped. She saw the bikers argue with her husband then she walked back to the house. Her husband was still there when she left the garage, and the reason why she was murdered was that she knew who the suspects were in the garage.
Such awesome reporting!👏 Great this channel.
Damn this is a horror film makes you rethink how good you have it even when you think you don’t have much
Amen to that 👍 👍
Makes us very grateful
It's so weird how it's always someone close to you that kills you now.... Family and friends. Trust yourself and you can never go wrong. I am a true loner you just never know what people are into.
Couldn’t have said it better myself !!
Especially those doing coke, meth or heroin or shooting up opiods
I'm a loner but I keep track of everyone's movements for my own safety.
In a store I'm always watching how people act and move.
Always keep your eyes open friend or foe everyone's aginst you to some extent.
I do the exact same thing in movie theaters and stores. My girl thinks I'm paranoid but, I just don't trust people and what they're capable of doing.
If you know about the dope game, you wouldn't be surprised
I have no words just so sad my heart goes out to all family and friends
Amazing reporting and investigation on police! Highly impressed
My condolences to the wife and children
@Catania Momma Italia No evidence I have seen that the family was still involved with drugs, sounds more like the Dad cut off ties long ago & the 1 gangbanger had a beef!
What about bikers are suspects in this?
When dealing drugs you put your whole family in jeopardy so sad 😞
Makes me think of what was said in the movie Fargo, "all that for a little bit of money".
Why did you have to bring coke into our neighborhood Jonny? I lived within walking distance to Jonnys home, and I heard the gun fire and was wondering what happened and the next day our neighborhood fell apart and by Oct 2017 we sold our property and moved into Silverdale because I was getting tired of caring a 9mm on me when I was doing yard work. now the family can rest in peace.😨
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Many PRAYER'SNLUV 👼👼✝️✝️🙏🙏💝💝
You should definitely still carry.
Rather not be a victim at any point.
Silverdale is better?
don't marry a drug dealer
dad is 100% to blame for his wife and kids being involved
When adults deal in drugs, their families are left to pay the price, when you deal with these types, you damn sure better be ready, to deal with what comes with it, in this tragic situation the family paid a high price for drug dealing…..Smh!
I agree especially if he still buying drugs from California
John was good family man dnt beleve all you here on media
@@juliaweber212 .... do you really think thats where the drugs come from? Because i live in cali and we get our drugs from elsewhere.
I HOPE THEY CATCH ALL THOSE PUNKS
Whose John..IF HE KILLS KIDS FUCK EM..
Either someone stood at the house and watched the family while they took the dad or the wife new about all of the drugs because how did they kidnap the dad and the wife not call the cops or at least get herself and whomever else was in the house out, but instead they just stood home until they came back to kill everyone, I think someone stood with the family to make sure nobody left
This is what happens when you deal drugs and associate with biker gangs. I have no sympathy for the dad and his wife for being with a drug dealer scumbag but the kids did not deserve this! I hope they all enjoy the rest of their life in prison!
I’m a biker and none of people I know do drugs or sell it . Gang members are the ones that do this.
That’s the problem buddy, they have a bad apple and they think all apples are rotten. We all know not all bikers are bad people.
@Jay Marley I agree with you, I don’t where in my comment I said that outlaw bike are good people? I’m not just talking about outlaw bike gangs, I’m talking about bikers in general. There is bike riders that just like to cruise without getting in trouble, most people believe that anyone in a Harley all dress in black are automatically bad people and they are not that is what I’m saying!!
@Jay Marley They just want to look Bad.
@Jay Marley 1 perfect? What are you talking about.... just because it said 1 perfect on the vest? 🤣
That’s just like anything if you have a big organization you’re gonna have some bad apples in it you’re not gonna have an organization with thousands of people in it and expect everyone to be in line or follow in line and it’s not like they’re all under one umbrella there’s different chapters so different chapters they all go by different leaders in different underlined rules even though they’re under that one particular biker gang organization that’s just how anything is it’s just like the street gangs you’re talking about you have some good ones that protect the community and don’t do drugs and all that other stuff or crap and you have a lot that do is with anything sadly to say that day.;,(
Great Detective work! Congratulations, I hope this helps the family with some kind of Closure 🙏
What a awful tragedy over something as senseless as drugs! If you have a addiction please get help!
At 6:28 did the guy say “pc up. Mexicans are coming”? Lol
You don’t kill kids a huge amount are Mexicans he’s saying be ready for prison
Sounds to me like dude joined the motorcycle gang and decide to sacrifice his old friend, what a shame
Wannabes🎯 real biker clubs don't kill children🙏😪🙏
@@luketran7175 exactly
@ThinkMoneyGetMoney ThinkGoldGetGold is life anymore?
@ThinkMoneyGetMoney ThinkGoldGetGold SOA is based off of real biker gangs like this though. It's more real than we think sometimes.
@ThinkMoneyGetMoney ThinkGoldGetGold TV mimics real life! Where do you think the writers for the TV shows an movie get their ideas?! Based on true life
events. You must not know anyone in a biker gang.
Why does a grown ass man with a job still have the need to cosplay as a gangster? Biker gangs in many ways are childish, and seeing them walk around Bremerton the last 5 years while everyone knew they were involved in this case has felt insurmountably disrespectful.
How is it childish being a member of a motorcycle club? Not all motorcycle clubs are involved in criminal activity.
@@chrisjames7089 "Biker gangs".
I make $100k and still live paycheck to paycheck and wonder if my a automobile issue, bad roof, hurt child, disease, a broken pipe under home etc will ruin me.I don’t condone it but I can see why the extra cash would be so tempting.
Why so judgemental .
Another man telling me what to do, no thanks.. I'm not weak minded needing to join a group of men with low self esteem ...lol
Another REASON that the USA WILL NEVER WIN THE WAR ON DRUGS 😢😢😢
I’m pretty sure the entire family knew he was dealing drugs, the wife probably knew too. You can’t be that naive. This is the cost of doing business when you play criminal games. I feel bad for the kids.
Very detailed reporting. So much violence, so cold, all over money. You’d think they were avenging their dead mothers or something, glad these Neanderthals were caught. They all deserve to be compose for the prison grass.
Compost**
Life so deal
They all can't be revenging mom bro
Right on brother 🙏 I agree 100%
7:25 listen to how the cop describes the gang member's surrender. It's almost like the cop was bragging on the guy.
This is so weird. I was at an event with Bobby about 2 months ago, sitting across from him for a couple of hours and just chatting about things. He comes across as a nice guy. Would have never thought he did this, but the evidence looks pretty damning. Killers aren't obvious, I guess.
He’s a fucking psychopath. Always has been.
Extremely sad !!! This family all lost their lives to a set of humans who are law breaking demons yet they murdered a whole family for not playing by their rules? Dads this happened when you act the good family man yet dealing in drugs which is just death and destruction to other families!!! It’s not worth it.. I feel for the daughter. Your dad put all the family in this mess!!!!
Bikers in general never even graduate from high school. Dumbys... and harleys are the ugliest motorcycles. I NEVER liked them.
Your right all gang members are self righteous sub humans from all gangs
Hard drugs not just drugs. He definitely did something extremely expensive against them.
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humans? no animals
The family must've been either absolutely clueless of their father/husband's activities or were absolutely sure in his invincibility. Very sad.
Probably clueless to the extent, I doubt they thought he was invincible though. Who would think that.
Actions have consequences and I am sure it never crossed his mind that his family could be hurt or killed. Lord forgive us our trespasses and help us forgive those who trespass against us.
How could you not know your family is moving drugs?
She knows
They were CHILDREN
Fantastic policing and reporting. Salute to the officers involved and the gentleman reporting the story.
If you have a family, you probably shouldn't deal drugs. You bring that environment to your family…
Great job! My condolences to everybody who loved/loves the victims 🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊
MY SINCEREST CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS GOD STRENGTHEN YOUR LIFE DURING THIS TIME OF BEREAVEMENT RIP
Bad parents
Criminals have no friends, they have business partners and everything is based on trust.
When you doubt someone, terminate him.
Great investigative piece and I'm so proud of the brave men and women of the KCSO and their law enforcement partners who saw this case through. I hope that the perpetrators of this despicable crime receive the full punishment that they deserve!
Clearly they aren't doing their job well enough on the corrections side, that P.C threat basically meant that, said club member who was threatened in court basically got told, you better get P.C or you going to be killed, in the 1% lifestyle you don't harm women and children, they ain't in the game
That family member " I didn't know that.....I just thought we were the little perfect family".......is lying...in my opinion.
Who cares if she knew or not what impact does that have lol, you want her to admit on live television that she knew the entire time? Shut your mouth
@@billyb6818 I understand her type are a dishonest lot. I stated my opinion as I indicated.
That family member did not live under the same roof. So it's POSSIBLE she didn't know.
My opinion.
Thanks for keeping our communities safe!
Play stupid game get stupid prize , dude should not have been dealing dope.
Specially if you have a family at home, he must of been very comfortable dealing
My mother dated bikers, I remember seeing crank labs, always thought it'd be cool to be in a club until I realized you gotta do this kinda shit
Gotta admit, Fox 13 Seattle did a good job on this investigative report.
Violent murderous gang members should receive the death penalty not a life sentence behind bars where they can continue to participate in organized crime and ordering murders. Why are we wasting resources on the clearly unredeemable?!
Worse yet are convicted pedo's ! Some of these scumbags get very long sentences and lay in their cells "touching themselves" while fantasizing about their crimes for decades. I say put animals like that DOWN !! They are NOT redeemable !!!!!
Real men don’t need to join gangs. Only weak men do.
Real men also know how fight without guns , if you aren’t good at hand to hand combat vs another man you aren’t shit.
@@thefreshprinceofnohair9703 okay tell that to a geriatric old person who cant lift a cup of water without pain but has one of those special cripple guns with no recoil when a home invader brakes in
When my Dad was 80 I told him to pretend that a toy a gun was real and put it next to his chair while I pretended to be a intruder rushing in , we realized a gun probably wouldn’t help him because I could always get him before he could grab the gun in this simulation.
@@thefreshprinceofnohair9703 I can use my fists, that’s a fact. If you’re ever in Saltville Virginia look me up. My name is Todd Bonn. As for guns… Yes, we do need them. There wouldn’t be a United States had without them. I suppose you’re more intelligent than the men who created our nation though.
It's not a gang it's a club! A very violent club, like Mickey Mouse Club
Bikers, coke, wads of cash and Johnny put his whole family in the middle of it.. Johnny was as much a criminal as the people arrested, for causing the deaths of his family from his illegal behavior.
When you play with the biker gangs, there can be a price to pay.
Your family is killed in front of you, then you're given a ride to your final destination. Time to think about where you went wrong in life.
“Who owns a auto shop. Where they use those hydraulic lifts.” Yeah, NO! A hydraulic bottle-jack or press is used to compress drugs as small as possible. No wonder it took this PD so long to get this solved.
Can use a fucken clamp with a handle crank. Was probably tight because they sprayed it with water first then pressed the water out to bind the product
@@four_20hitman___97 True, but watch any of the videos of “labs” (I hate that term😂) in South America. There’s always a bottle jack or bearing press with a variety of size welded metal “boxes” in the background. Personally, I like the creativity of smugglers and how they come up with new ways to package/pack their products. One took 12’ aluminum tubes, filled one end 12” with molten aluminum, then smashed 10’ of drugs in it and filled the other end with 12” of aluminum. They polished the tubes to make them look and almost weigh just as much as what solid 12’ long 4” round aluminum “solid” stock would be. My guess is they got many shipments through this way, but someone ratted them out on it so that “party” ended.
And here I thought a trash compactor was used.
Makes me wonder when the wife went back to the house, why didn't she call the cops after seeing her husband forced away. This fact tells a likely story that the husband was into drug trafficking and she was afraid to call cops. Fatal mistake.
The daughter is willfully ignorant if not fully aware of what her father was up to. Risk your family like this? Wow.
The dad was selfish. He bragged about his money and the wolves came for him and his family... My cousin and his 2 friends got clipped over 60k. So u know 300k will have people doing ANYTHING
She enjoyed the money.
This was years ago... Her and the others were teenage kids. How can you be so cold abd blame them??
Sad that the father caused his family to be murdered because of his illegal activity
I agree
This Father got his family killed, let's make that absolutely clear.
If proven guilty, the family should have the option of having the perpetrators executed in the same manner as their victims who are murdered.
I am shocked to hear that the gang members condoned the killing of the mother and her sons. I always thought women and children were off limits in drug beefs. May the murderers slowing rot in hell for eternity. The fear those boys must of felt is unfathomable. At least they can rest in peace knowing the guilty were caught.
There are real demons living among us.
That's only in the movies. No one is off limits to drug dealers and certain biker gangs. Especially within the drug world. Cartels and other South American Hispanics,Asian, Arabic, Ukraine and Russian organizations Gangs have No off limits!!! They're called outlaw biker gangs for a reason.
Even if a gang has a zero tolerance policy with talking to law enforcement I would like to think some of them would at least disappear these guys themselves.
That use to be the rule, "no innocent family members get hurt." But the biker world is not the same as it use to be, they really lowered their standards to get as many people In a particular club as possible. These club members don't really understand the "traditional biker" culture. The mc world has really turned to shit.
No the first people you go after are family then the target usually a picture of somebodys wife and kids leaving a Walmart or a school will send the message
Those cats were serious hardballers😮
"PC up the Mexicans are coming" sheesh I'll hate to be that guy Dead man walking 💯
Must be nice to say such things without being called”racist”. Apparently tribalism is permitted for SOME. AB & La eMe are allies.
I think he means you better be politically correct because the prison is a diverse place. I' m glad through all of this people are still encouraging each other to be respectful of different cultures.
No need to "PC up"...These three will join the AB.
too bad those drugs were already paid for, also you have to get permission from someone very important to take that coke from California to Washington, the cartel is very structured and strict they aren't just going to sell you a kilo and you can just go do whatever you want with it.
What does that mean? Does it mean protect them (the killers) because the Mexicans will kill them in jail?
Yeah the family “didn’t know about the drugs” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that girl is a horrible liar
I mean who's going to say "Yea! I knew all about it" on national TV? Knowing that these murderous gangs are involved. Come on mannnnnn
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@@napalmsf calm down Joe Biden
@@notafed6524 let's go Brandon
I think this is a crime that would warrant the death penalty, however Washington (State) doesn't currently utilize it.
My heart goes out to the family of the victims, I hope these monsters get life without parole, unfortunately we don't have the death penalty here in Washington state, RIP to the victims God bless you all and your family 🙏🇺🇲❤️
Death penalty to come. No doubt he was connected with someone in California who isn’t happy about his money maker getting killed and the lost money and drugs from the house. Justice will come just not in a courtroom
All of the west coast states have gone Woke - people will start taking the law in their own hands. Disgusting to let these monsters live - hope the inmates take out the trash.. .
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That father brought those monsters right to his own front door the minute he got involved with being a drug dealer. I bet extended family member's were aware of his drug dealing as well. Imagine how many other unrelated deaths occurred because of the drugs he sold. Mom definitely knew what her husband was up to. You play with fire you might get burned, literally.
The suspects are not out of the woods regarding the death penalty. Kidnapping with homicide(s) is eligible on the federal level.
You don't need a body shop to press bricks. You can use a pump bottle jack and make your own press.. you can make it for under $200 in materials.
The feds reading your comment: write that down write that down
@@TheRealRusDaddy look at you writing the obvious 👏👏👏
The same comment u posted has been posted 20x just here. Wanna talk about writing the obvious Mr. copy pasta. Nobody thinks u cool cuz u can press an 8ball into a package the size of a quarter.
It is absolutely ludicrous to state that the Bandidos were unaware of the crimes when two of the men that carried out the murders were promoted to the rank of Regional and National Sargent of Arms respectively.
If it was supposed to be sanctioned by "higher ups" and wasn't, then they will have to be, corrected, sir.
Good, I'm glad that they are caught and know the deceased victims families could finally have some type of closure.
Closure? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay, so multiple members of a motorcycle club commit several crimes including drug dealing and multiple murders. Lock up the ENTIRE CHAPTER of the MC on RICO CHARGES…. F em!
If they don’t charge the entire chapter, the FBI and Federal Prosecutors aren’t doing their job!
#FBI
#FederalProsecutor
OK.... let's start with members of Congress first.
The FBI? You are kidding right? Or haven’t done research. Biggest gang in the USA is the FBI.
@@johnf6267 TRUE !
How these men sleep after killing people?
They were so loving they were selling dope to other people and getting them hooked on dope and Roman families but they were so loving
That's really a shame that the man put his sons and wife's life in jeopardy by being a drug dealer (being lazy) instead of going to get an honest job.
When the murders first happened the media was reporting it like some innocent family was the victim of a random crime.
I knew the story didnt sound right from the beginning.
This was a criminal thug involved in illegal activity that got his family killed. Not random victims at all.
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USUALLY, when you are in bad situations. It's because of bad decisions. It's on the father.