Had mine since March. What stands out the most for me is the directness and precision of every control the driver interacts with. Clutch and brake pedal feel are phenomenal. Shifter and steering too. To top it off, the ergonomics are perfect. Being able to sit low down in the car and can get the steering wheel adjusted perfectly and the shifter falling to hand is ace.
I've been a little dissapointed with mine to be honest.. I think it looks great and it's not 'bad' at all. But every time I get back in my BRZ (the new 2023 model) it feels so much more raw and responsive. I personally think the shifter is smoother in the civic but lacks a bit of feel compared to the BRZ, and the clutch is way too light. Overall I enjoy it, but as a comparison, I have been left wanting more unfortunately and find the BRZ way more fun to drive.
People think it's too expensive because people are looking at it like a Civic. But really it's an FWD analog (in the modern age) sports car in a hatchback shape. After hearing the development story I can totally see why it's expensive.
If you're in the automotive industry and think that price should be decided by the effort in development and not by the market, then you're in the wrong industry. Just read the comments in this video. It's a no brainer..people will rather buy a 20k AUD cheaper car than this no matter how good it is. It's a honda, not pagani or lamborghini. The target audience is not going to be the guys at the top who already have ferraris and lamborghinis. It is the average practical, fun-loving buyers like us, so Honda should've thought it through.
In Aus, since Honda only states the total driveaway price, i think they get screwed from a perception standpoint. Golf R driveaway price is actually a few thousand more now and was only $1000 less when the Type R pricing was first announced. But now the price has risen above Type R and it's not even available for the foreseeable future. GR Corolla is only around $3k less. The only car significantly cheaper is the Hyundai N. Every other competitor is basically the same price. And the Type R is better than the other practical hatch competitors from an engaging to drive/special feeling standpoint. Price isn't cheap but then not much else is either.
This is Honda's swan song to the ICE for their performance cars and to be honest, they've really did a good job in developing this car. If I have the money and don't care about the price, I will easily pick this over the other hot hatches available right now.
Awesome car, man. I'd always go with the white. However, they punched themselves by launching it at that price. It's a no-brainer that I30N at 20k cheaper is a much better option.
I test drove and loved the Type R. The problem was I loved the Mk4 Focus ST more. They were on par with almost everything. The suspension was slightly better in the Type R, the Chassis was better in the ST. Brakes better in the Type R, engine very close but maybe the ST. Gearbox Type R over the Ford unit. What really decided it for me was just how well the ST did the normal day to day stuff, it felt more normal. The Type R was good as an everyday car but still had the race vibe no matter what you did. The ST just feels like a standard Focus in normal mode. If I was serious into track days I would have picked the Type R but I have grandkids to cart around and the Focus is just perfect.
Avgeek to avgeek, I always enjoy your videos for their entertainment value but your enthusiasm for the Type R makes this one something else! Love the car and enjoyed the intro for something different.
@mharro88 I should sit and send you 100 links from prestigious car journalists on what they rate the FL5, but I don't need to try convince anyone...specifically not you. Your clearly butthurt that your current car isn't giving you the feels.
@@van_der_lindeDA educate myself? I've driven both. The N is a way better deal. You get 99% of the performance, it sounds better and it's easier to live with.
all the praise from the most respected and talented automotive reviewers and drivers and being labeled a budget everymans Porsche GT3 , a bunch of development videos later and having owned an FK8 for a while now i cant say i wouldn't buy one as it really covers so much so well, if you like a daily to be engaging and interesting with a lot of room, decent economy and reliability and a bit more about the driving experience than drag racing figures, it's still competitive cost wise if you consider what the competition costs drive away . But what about AWD ? Most of us dont drive like idiots when wet and if you live in a mostly dry country its redundant. But what about heated seats and a sunroof ? Sounds like you want a luxury model with a bit of go.. fair call. But what if had a ...... which is 500hp and way quicker? Most of us are not race drivers and if we were id say 90% of us wouldn't be able to use all that power on any public rd or want to. But it's FWD ... yep like many and most of the greatest hot hatches, some like the FL5 and FK8 etc being more capable than most owners at doing what they do best which is back road blasts while capable of track day use and still being a daily. If after a drag car buy one,a drift car get one of those, burnout car or a luxury cruiser get one of those but each car will have compromises and maybe miss the mark in some areas, in the end theres no right or wrong really you just buy what does most of what you want the best and appreciate others choices.
Current Honda ain’t 90s Honda. VTEC should be naturally aspirated and double wish bones head to toe. Light weight and pure mechanical. Sounded like F1 even the 1.6 VTEC. This one maybe be fast but it’s lost the soul.
Great review mate! I’ve had my CW FL5 since April this year and I can say it is the most incredible car I have ever owned. I’m a Honda fanboy from a long way back. Civic VTI-R’s and DC5 Integra Type S. I’ve had Golf’s and other performance cars since but there is something about this car. I’m keeping it as a collector car because I honestly don’t think there will be anything like it produced in the coming years. Thanks again Matt, love your work!
‘Savagegeese’ did a great review of the new type r and a lot of the underpinnings have been improved to make the car much better than the previous version. He goes through it in detail. Worth watching as well. Thanks for your review 👍
When did the civic type R become a sedan? This is not a hot hatch anymore. It’s too big to be one, if they called it an accord type R then would be completely different and quite disappointing to not hear any vtech
Haven't driven the last 2 Type Rs but the last NA one I found very disappointing to be honest. It's a very nice thing, and much better looking inside and out than the previous model but that's an awful lot of money and I think I'd have an i30N for $20k less. Big kudos for having a proper manual and keeping the Type R dynasty alive.
@@CTF33 i don’t think so, the R is the fastest fwd in Nurburgring track, the ultimate track for cars. I dont see the i30n there. Also, Theres no fun in dct when you leave the car to change gears for you, a bit talentless.. and 100-200 the r is indeed faster, stock for stock. The tuning scene is also more widely available for the R and the stock block and gearbox can take it to 550whp with just basic bolt ons, turbo and fuel systems.
@upbeatmantis86 The hype R Nurbergring record was proven to be a fake. Fact is a stock hype R can't complete a single lap of the Nurbergring without overheating. You shift a DCT with paddles and you don't lose any power in between shifts
Tough choice between this and the 2024 Elantra N...imagining what i could do with the saved $10,000 on the Elantra N. I'll bet Elantra N can smoke a type r with air exhaust/intake, tuning, carbon hood, back seat out, and flywheel
@@CTF33 why can you just except that the EN is not as fast as Type R ? It is almost a similar performance wise and cheaper yes but it’s not a Better car than a type R. just because the exhaust sound better doesn’t mean it’s a better car 🤷🏼♂️ just because it’s cheaper doesn’t mean it’s a better value 🤷🏼♂️ I’m not hating on the EN but there is a reason why the price point is different between this two cars. type R is superior for FWD cars performance.
The EN and VN are both faster than the hype R: 0-60mph, 0-100mph, 5-60mph, 30-50mph, 50-70mph, and 1/4 mile. If you want to argue with that then write to "Car and Driver" they did the testing. I would ask you why you can't accept that the N cars are faster than the hype R but I already know the answer. BTW - If a car is faster and $10k less then yes it's a better value.
@@CTF33 that EN wasn’t stock my guy , stock for stock it’s a different result. don’t believe everything you see on the internet my guy. Do a deeper research and find out.
Worth every penny. I beat my mates stage 2 BMW and stage 2 Audi S3 around the mountain’s My mate with the Audi just replaced it with the RS3 because he couldn’t keep up with me as I was sling shotting around the corners.
72k for a small car i think not lol, as nice as it looks thats far too expensive for a small car %:12 and your wrong right here bud its not about turning and economy car into something capable its about milking as much $$ from a small hatch that shouldnt be that expensive lol
I always see comments about the price. If you go into a dealership with all seriousness to buy it and just say you'll buy it msrp right now. they'll sell it to you. That's what I did, it took 4 hours, but you just have to be serious and they need to know it.
GOOD CAR HATE THE PRICE
Cost of living goes up, so does car prices 😔
Hmm I feel the same way about Ferraris
Why? Because it carries a “civic” name plate?
It's just a civic , not even rwd /awd@@anthonyseto
@@janechanlder2675you don't need an rwd or awd to have fun. Civic proves that. If you want other than fwd, then it's not for you
Had mine since March. What stands out the most for me is the directness and precision of every control the driver interacts with. Clutch and brake pedal feel are phenomenal. Shifter and steering too. To top it off, the ergonomics are perfect. Being able to sit low down in the car and can get the steering wheel adjusted perfectly and the shifter falling to hand is ace.
get the acuity pedal spacer and you can heel toe also. that's what I did. Best decision ever
I've been a little dissapointed with mine to be honest.. I think it looks great and it's not 'bad' at all. But every time I get back in my BRZ (the new 2023 model) it feels so much more raw and responsive. I personally think the shifter is smoother in the civic but lacks a bit of feel compared to the BRZ, and the clutch is way too light. Overall I enjoy it, but as a comparison, I have been left wanting more unfortunately and find the BRZ way more fun to drive.
The best looking hatchback period.
People think it's too expensive because people are looking at it like a Civic. But really it's an FWD analog (in the modern age) sports car in a hatchback shape. After hearing the development story I can totally see why it's expensive.
If you're in the automotive industry and think that price should be decided by the effort in development and not by the market, then you're in the wrong industry. Just read the comments in this video. It's a no brainer..people will rather buy a 20k AUD cheaper car than this no matter how good it is. It's a honda, not pagani or lamborghini.
The target audience is not going to be the guys at the top who already have ferraris and lamborghinis. It is the average practical, fun-loving buyers like us, so Honda should've thought it through.
Screw automatics. Embrace manual. Embrace the stick
@Anonymoussubzero that's why I bought one, thought it thru in 2 hours....didn't need much convincing...best purchase of my life.
In Aus, since Honda only states the total driveaway price, i think they get screwed from a perception standpoint. Golf R driveaway price is actually a few thousand more now and was only $1000 less when the Type R pricing was first announced. But now the price has risen above Type R and it's not even available for the foreseeable future. GR Corolla is only around $3k less. The only car significantly cheaper is the Hyundai N. Every other competitor is basically the same price. And the Type R is better than the other practical hatch competitors from an engaging to drive/special feeling standpoint. Price isn't cheap but then not much else is either.
This is Honda's swan song to the ICE for their performance cars and to be honest, they've really did a good job in developing this car. If I have the money and don't care about the price, I will easily pick this over the other hot hatches available right now.
ICE cars aren’t going away anytime soon. Reality is finally starting to set in with automakers and customers.
@@ubroberts5541 performance hot hatches are done. Hyundai N , Renault, Ford all going that way
I got hooked on travel vlogs during Covid, so I won't say no if you keep including them.
Freakin love this car….little dream. Also, where’s the sidekick Jacob?
Awesome car, man. I'd always go with the white. However, they punched themselves by launching it at that price. It's a no-brainer that I30N at 20k cheaper is a much better option.
Great vid as usual & man what a gorgeous car!
I test drove and loved the Type R. The problem was I loved the Mk4 Focus ST more. They were on par with almost everything. The suspension was slightly better in the Type R, the Chassis was better in the ST. Brakes better in the Type R, engine very close but maybe the ST. Gearbox Type R over the Ford unit.
What really decided it for me was just how well the ST did the normal day to day stuff, it felt more normal. The Type R was good as an everyday car but still had the race vibe no matter what you did. The ST just feels like a standard Focus in normal mode.
If I was serious into track days I would have picked the Type R but I have grandkids to cart around and the Focus is just perfect.
Great review. Loved the vlogging style.
Avgeek to avgeek, I always enjoy your videos for their entertainment value but your enthusiasm for the Type R makes this one something else! Love the car and enjoyed the intro for something different.
This thing is a masterpiece. It literally is killing all its competition...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@mharro88 maybe you should educate yourself😂😂😂😂😂😂
@mharro88 I should sit and send you 100 links from prestigious car journalists on what they rate the FL5, but I don't need to try convince anyone...specifically not you. Your clearly butthurt that your current car isn't giving you the feels.
@@van_der_lindeDA slower than a i30n sedan and you state it's killing the competition. Good one man
@@van_der_lindeDA educate myself? I've driven both. The N is a way better deal. You get 99% of the performance, it sounds better and it's easier to live with.
all the praise from the most respected and talented automotive reviewers and drivers and being labeled a budget everymans Porsche GT3 , a bunch of development videos later and having owned an FK8 for a while now i cant say i wouldn't buy one as it really covers so much so well, if you like a daily to be engaging and interesting with a lot of room, decent economy and reliability and a bit more about the driving experience than drag racing figures, it's still competitive cost wise if you consider what the competition costs drive away .
But what about AWD ? Most of us dont drive like idiots when wet and if you live in a mostly dry country its redundant.
But what about heated seats and a sunroof ? Sounds like you want a luxury model with a bit of go.. fair call.
But what if had a ...... which is 500hp and way quicker? Most of us are not race drivers and if we were id say 90% of us wouldn't be able to use all that power on any public rd or want to.
But it's FWD ... yep like many and most of the greatest hot hatches, some like the FL5 and FK8 etc being more capable than most owners at doing what they do best which is back road blasts while capable of track day use and still being a daily.
If after a drag car buy one,a drift car get one of those, burnout car or a luxury cruiser get one of those but each car will have compromises and maybe miss the mark in some areas, in the end theres no right or wrong really you just buy what does most of what you want the best and appreciate others choices.
Current Honda ain’t 90s Honda. VTEC should be naturally aspirated and double wish bones head to toe. Light weight and pure mechanical. Sounded like F1 even the 1.6 VTEC. This one maybe be fast but it’s lost the soul.
Got to move on with times. Once you go boost you can’t go back. NA 9000RPM is not useable on the street and not enough torque.
@@Reptilianoverlord-jc8mt I have the fl5 and I actually hate the turbo. I wish they just made a high revving engine like before.
@@ka124as if you hate turbo why did you buy it then? 🤷♂️ if money wasn’t a problem the only NA engine I would buy is a 911 GT3.
Great review mate! I’ve had my CW FL5 since April this year and I can say it is the most incredible car I have ever owned. I’m a Honda fanboy from a long way back. Civic VTI-R’s and DC5 Integra Type S. I’ve had Golf’s and other performance cars since but there is something about this car. I’m keeping it as a collector car because I honestly don’t think there will be anything like it produced in the coming years. Thanks again Matt, love your work!
Love my 24 type r Sonic Grey Pearl 👍🏻👊🏻 My favorite all around car to date and I’ve had many !
Excellent review of a great car😊
It’s the first one that actually looks good
Definitely more grown up appearance. Shame the wing isn't retractable tho.
‘Savagegeese’ did a great review of the new type r and a lot of the underpinnings have been improved to make the car much better than the previous version. He goes through it in detail. Worth watching as well. Thanks for your review 👍
it ain't much better, it loses to fk8 on some tracks, in roll races, etc.
Ahh Matthew behold the Pinnacle of modern automotive purity
The previous gen is FK8 not FL4
The type r overheats on track quicker than the i30n sedan, seen it numerous times
😂😂😂😂 if you don't like the Type R then why are you commenting like a rash on all the videos of the civic....jealous
Most type r that overheats are tuned, not stock.
@@loooopeytunes seen some stock ones overheat. Watch the topher.
How many of these did Honda produce for the 2024 year?
i want one
What would you buy a type r or a gr Yaris rally if given the choice
Try flying Qantas to try the difference.
Given the dollar. This or wrx or I30N sedan?
When did the civic type R become a sedan? This is not a hot hatch anymore. It’s too big to be one, if they called it an accord type R then would be completely different and quite disappointing to not hear any vtech
Your are so right, this hype R is no hot hatch, it's a hot four door lift back family sedan.
Better than before but hate the stupid 3 x exhaust pipes & it’s to expensive 🤬
Too expensive
Got the same one in u.s
Haven't driven the last 2 Type Rs but the last NA one I found very disappointing to be honest.
It's a very nice thing, and much better looking inside and out than the previous model but that's an awful lot of money and I think I'd have an i30N for $20k less. Big kudos for having a proper manual and keeping the Type R dynasty alive.
Very true, the hype R is boring compared to the i30 N. Even the i20 N is more fun, but honda fan boys are blind they'll never admit it.
In truth, the r will gap the i30n not just on the bends, but on the straights too ..
@upbeatmantis86 No it won't. On the same tires the I30N DCT is faster on the road and track not to mention more fun to drive.
@@CTF33 i don’t think so, the R is the fastest fwd in Nurburgring track, the ultimate track for cars. I dont see the i30n there. Also, Theres no fun in dct when you leave the car to change gears for you, a bit talentless.. and 100-200 the r is indeed faster, stock for stock. The tuning scene is also more widely available for the R and the stock block and gearbox can take it to 550whp with just basic bolt ons, turbo and fuel systems.
@upbeatmantis86 The hype R Nurbergring record was proven to be a fake. Fact is a stock hype R can't complete a single lap of the Nurbergring without overheating. You shift a DCT with paddles and you don't lose any power in between shifts
Awesome car, but needs automatic option.
We who love a type R only want manual
Tough choice between this and the 2024 Elantra N...imagining what i could do with the saved $10,000 on the Elantra N. I'll bet Elantra N can smoke a type r with air exhaust/intake, tuning, carbon hood, back seat out, and flywheel
And I bet a tune type R will smoke the Elantra N as well 🤷🏼♂️
@@BrzBoyz831With the EN you have $10k to spend on tuning before you even get to base price of the hype R.
@@CTF33 why can you just except that the EN is not as fast as Type R ? It is almost a similar performance wise and cheaper yes but it’s not a Better car than a type R. just because the exhaust sound better doesn’t mean it’s a better car 🤷🏼♂️ just because it’s cheaper doesn’t mean it’s a better value 🤷🏼♂️ I’m not hating on the EN but there is a reason why the price point is different between this two cars. type R is superior for FWD cars performance.
The EN and VN are both faster than the hype R: 0-60mph, 0-100mph, 5-60mph, 30-50mph, 50-70mph, and 1/4 mile.
If you want to argue with that then write to "Car and Driver" they did the testing.
I would ask you why you can't accept that the N cars are faster than the hype R but I already know the answer.
BTW - If a car is faster and $10k less then yes it's a better value.
@@CTF33 that EN wasn’t stock my guy , stock for stock it’s a different result. don’t believe everything you see on the internet my guy. Do a deeper research and find out.
Yum, croquettes - pronounce the T.
Croquet, the game with a ball and stick the way you said it.
What's with all the hand waving when talking
More of a coupe look. Not a hatch.
Cool car but too expensive, incandescent globes for most of the rear lights, no rear air vents, no sunroof, manual passenger seat adjustment.
The CTR: A glorified, factory modified Civic SI, selling for over $60k. No thanks
A limey ain't use to nothing good blood #facts#
you need to improve your gear shifting ability😂. one of the worst one I've seen until now 😁
I'll pick one up when it depreciates in 5 years 😂
Was that a "review" ? 🤣
AWD please!!! The little GR Yaris has less horses but all fours push it ahead, specially in twists and turns.
Just too slow in a straight line.
not worth the money
Drive it, then come back and tell me why it's not worth it....
Worth every penny. I beat my mates stage 2 BMW and stage 2 Audi S3 around the mountain’s My mate with the Audi just replaced it with the RS3 because he couldn’t keep up with me as I was sling shotting around the corners.
In a world where the M2 is $140k on road this is a bargain.
@@van_der_lindeDAI have , it's not
@@washout04lol comparing a civic to a m2. Good one
72k for a small car i think not lol, as nice as it looks thats far too expensive for a small car %:12 and your wrong right here bud its not about turning and economy car into something capable its about milking as much $$ from a small hatch that shouldnt be that expensive lol
I always see comments about the price. If you go into a dealership with all seriousness to buy it and just say you'll buy it msrp right now. they'll sell it to you. That's what I did, it took 4 hours, but you just have to be serious and they need to know it.