Operation Think Tank 2012 Part 1
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2012
- In March of 2012, we brought together six of the most respected authors in the field of tank history, and battered them with questions submitted by the World of Tanks playerbase. You are watching the result of this four-hour Q&A.
Steve Zaloga
Harry Yeide
Hilary Doyle
David Fletcher
Rob Griffin
Kenneth Estes
In this part:
02:35 Why the word "tank?"
04:30 What actually brought the development of the tank about?
07:45 How much influence did Liddel-Hart or Guderian have? (Then other officers)
15:00 Did Patton prevent development of M26?
18:13 Interview with Steve Zaloga
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David Fletcher's mustache is the 8th panelist.
It had a lot of good input too!
Jacob Dischert I've heard it's actually a prototype form of slat armor, designed to protect his upper lip from HEAT rounds.
Damn, Steve Zaloga is a tank stud. I had a whole shelf full of his books before I realized WoT even existed.
David Fletcher the ultimate definition: " A metal box which moves and shoots."
Is there going to be another operation think tank? I think I've watched this about a dozen times.
Agreed. We need another one of these.
This is a little bit of a late response, but in the chieftains most recent Q&A he elaborated on that a little bit. He said it didn’t bring the level of viewership they were hoping for, so as far as a business venture goes it was unprofitable. However he certainly would like to do another one if given the opportunity.
To true, I think this is 20 or so for me, I just keep coming back cause it's way too good!
WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED TODAY :
1) The exact origin of the term "tank" is impossible to find, but it's globally is found in the region of finding a way to hide its development through language, and borrowing a common word.
2) The tank is not a sudden invention, it carries on a proud century-long tradition of armoured warfare which began with the armoured train, vital for the latter part of the XIXth century and armoured car, popular in the early XXth.
3) Among the most influential names in the tank world are not necessarily Guderian and Littleheart, known because their books got translated in this language ; Estienne was very influential in French development, some Russian guy I can't manage to find the name of also was important (The Russians built loads of tanks in the interwar, often collaborating with Germany), Patton also drove American design quite a bit as did Eisenhower, influenced by WWI.
3b) Patton was not responsible for the delay of the M26 Pershing ; he was terrible at tank (in terms of design and technicality) but it wasn't his fault and it didn't matter anyway.
+MenwithHill 1 year late, but is that Russian guy is Marshal Tukhachevsky?
*Liddelhart
@@Kyle-gw6qp *Liddell Hart
@@Silavite Hey was, before Stalin got to him
This should be at the top of the youtube playlist, it's beyond amazing!
Damn voice quality is ripping my ears into shreds.
yeh, the sound technician really did an awfull job.
one mic low, next loud, all of em noisy... brrrr
Same guy who created the Chieftain engine.
I just want to mention, that I love this video series. Every couple of years I rewatch it. This is so great and I would love to see a new one.
Coming to this after seeing clips of it and it being mentioned in the Q&A vids, not sure why this doesn't have more views as mentioned. Some good stuff in here! I will learn about tanks while i farm on my PC.
"Military Vehicle Technology Foundation"
Read as: Some guys back yard
The largest private collection of Armored vehicles in the World at that time.
Got here through the plug you made during your tour of the Matilda II. Thanks for posting!
Wow! Steve and Hillary are the mechanized equivalent of Rock Stars to armor enthusiasts everywhere! Probably 1 in five of my books on Armor feature one or the other-or both.
No offense to any others. I like you all.
LOVE David Fletcher watch his "Tank Talks" series on Tank Museum channel. Grouchy old codger but great
Almost a decade has past, I still worship at the temple of Zaloga.
I rewatch this series every year. The amount of knowledge is just astounding from all these gents.
These videos are simply *fantastic*! Thank you for publishing these.
I would have loved to have been there. ALso to those who dont know, David fletcher also has a few vidios out there called Tank chats! Give them a look. Sparkling man he is. A genious with the looks of a mad scientist.
MORE THINK TANK!!!
Mr. Fletcher is a jewel ......
Plz do it again I love listening to all of you
I watched a WW I programme which had a WW I veteran taking about the first time he saw a Tank, and they referred to it as a Crawler.
Best background on a talk show EVER!!!!
I find it disappointing that the panel did not mention that combined arms tank-infantry-artillery-airpower was first developed by Canadian General Arthur Currie, and Australian General John Monash in 1918, working with British General Rawlinsion. If you read Guderian's first book, at least he gives them some credit.
I want more! :D Thanks for posting this on UA-cam.
Superbowl of Tank nerds..excellent content. Very informative if you are a tank nerd like me..
Please please please Do Something Like This Again!!
Zaloga is amazing!
Nick: GREAT series of videos! It is excellent to have a person dedicated to the CORRECT representation of facts - not, as you call it, truth by common knowledge. Maybe I missed it, but how a bout an "Inside the Hatch" on the M4A376WVVSS/HVSS? Keep up the great work!!
John Carty
MAJ, IN
USA Ret
Amazing video. :) Ty.
Well that intro took a minute of my life I'm never getting back. :O
That is quite the panel you have there all right.
Please do this again...
Really enjoyed this, thanks for making it Wargaming and sharing with everyone :) I really must bear this sort of stuff in mind when i'm next flaming and cursing WOT hehe
awesome!
Our Chieftain who art buttoned down
Hallowed be thy name
Your Knowledge come, your Victory be written
On UA-cam as it is on Reddit
Give us this day our daily Sources
and forgive us our tankies, as we have also forgiven those who tank
and lead us not into ignorance
but deliver us from Booism
APCR
Johan Faul Jesus where did this hostility come from it’s just a joke post. It’s also partly meme. The chieftain is regularly compared to Ian McCallum of forgotten weapons. Who himself is known as gun Jesus. The chieftain is held in similar regards in terms of his knowledge of tanks and armored warfare. So there’s kind of a religious meme version of him as well.
I only just found out about this from the Might Jingles. But its nice to know that General patton had no say in tank design. But you would think they should have since they have the exerpience to counter their enemys
Just a comment here on Belton Cooper's blaming Patton for the lack of M-26's.
IIRC (and I may not - as I cannot find my copy of Death Traps) the reason Cooper blamed Patton - was that somehow he and Patton were both at some demonstration or meeting or something in Britain - where Patton said what Cooper said he said about the Pershings. Now - being a junior officer who was probably at the event because of his job as an Ordinance Officer who had seen a lot of blown up American Tanks - he might not have been aware of where these issues were really decided. Being as impressed by Patton (one way or the other) as most junior officers would be - he probably THOUGHT that what Patton said here was a determining factor in the M-26's deployment - when what Patton was probably doing - was just echoing Army Policy. Of course ... I wouldn't be surprised if Patton, being the ever modest person he was ... wanted people to think he had a deciding role in such things ...
However - given Pattons long involvement with the development of American Armored forces
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton
it really shouldn't be a surprise to think that Patton's opinions wouldn't be considered - whether they really were or not.
If someone else can find their copy of Death Traps and check on that - that would probably be better than my memory. I normally - would just go buy another copy ... but I've done to much of that lately ... and need to cut back ...
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I have the book, the demonstration he and patton were both at were for the hedgerow cutter to be placed on the M5 Stuart. When he comes to the M26, he simply says "Patton got his way", and then the book goes off in the next paragraph on some erroneous tangent about tank doctrine and Eisenhower changing it.
@@TheChieftainsHatch Thanks Nick. That incident is the only thing I can think of for him believing that Patton had more of a say in this than he did.
One thing about a lot of the people in the military - is that they don't actually know all that much about what's going on. They know their particular job - but when it comes to a lot of other things ... they have a lot of ideas that aren't well founded.
One factor in that I might attribute to their age. When I was in the Marines - I was 18 to 20 years old and a lot of what I knew came from playing Avalon Hill games like Panzer Blitz in High School - yet - I still knew a lot more about military history and technology than the other guys in my unit. Most of them just wanted to get drunk, get laid and get out. Compared to most people - Cooper at 27 or so at least had an interest in a lot of these things because of his job.
One of the articles I read on this tended to blame the Ghost Writer for making personal contributions to the content. I'd wonder about that too.
Anyway, thanks again for looking that up ... I tried to find my copy but ... it's buried somewhere under mounds of other books, tapes and dvd's ...
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That opening song is incredible. I imagine its from the World of Tanks soundtrack, but I swear I can't find out which track it is. Is there any link to a download or a way to purchase the track?
Are there any plans to put something like this together again in the future?
I'd pay money to see it. Like Patreon green spendy money. Hint, Hint.
Why doesn't this video allow mini-player in the mobile app? It's not music, which is the usual reason . . .
Red Orchestra 2 also has something kind of like that.
STEVE ZALOGA CAN YOU SIGN MY FOREHEAD I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN!
Robert S. Zaloga's biggest fan does not know his first name? Strange.
I thought you said that you had talked about gun stabilization in one of your videos, but I can't find it. BTW, I love you videos, the casual/familiar approach, the direct approach, a realistic approach. Thanks for the effort. I know it is not easy to film, edit and create these videos, but thanks all the effort. I especially enjoy your grander analysis of various topics like past battle or technology development. Thanks again and please let me know when you put together a video o gun sterilization because on more than one occasion you implied that it was available to US WW2 gunner but not used. Sad.
Have a read of this. worldoftanks.com/en/news/chieftain/The_Chieftains_Hatch_Gyrostabiliser/
@@TheChieftainsHatch This was terrific and 'solves' the gyrostabilizer question. Thanks for the reply and thanks for all the videos and information and effort. I am primarily a board gamer but also an engineer so the hardware always amazes me. You have only to go to the Smithsonian and see their display on battleships gun computer which covers a 20-25 foot wall and then realize that someone squeezed a 3D computer into a bowling bag (Norton bomb. And equipment that was easy to use was always superior to cramped/crowded equipment. Someone said that the US army in 1991 could have used Sadam's equipment even if the Sadam's army had our US equipment. (Of course, losses would have been a little higher.)
i love operation think tank
Please if you do more, announce it up in advance so I can take vacation and assist!
You know what? I actually want a team based tank crew game. Play with friends on a 1v1 upto a 5v5 match against other tank crews, level up in your profession and level up your tank experience. Actually sounds like a fun game to play with friends.
Wiki claims interference on the deployment - not production - side by General Lesley McNair of Army Ground Forces, which eventually had to be sorted out by Ike Eisenhower.
Is there a version with better sound quality?
Not that I know any German Tank specialist, but who would bring along?
Back in the days when you could be an 8 year old and break into an Army tank and play around and not cause an emergency incident and somehow become a felon before the age of 10.
HI Chieften or anybody that can help, what was the french early tank device called that was mentioned in this video at 6:40, I cant understand what he said, sounded phonetically like "bwaroh device"
PseudoTactics Boirault Device
Sir David Fletcher
Guderian's influence was that he got Hitler interested in armored warfare as a way of not having a ww1 style stalemate.
yeah, they really cut budget on mics
because the gun didnt fit the early versions and the brits had it patended once they realized it fits on a later turret version
Harry Turtledoves Alternate history fiction, Tanks were called Barrels.
That was all of war gamings buget in dat intro
Did you ask what his favorite was twice?
What is this French early tank like invention they are talking about? I couldn't understand it.
It sounded like a giant metal octagon that would role across 'No Mans land'
yeah - did you get the name they used?
nope
The Boirault machine (there's a short article about it on wikipedia)
i tried to switch on subtitles. man, i lold.
I would love to see the chieftain speak into a decent microphone
Gaahh! My ears! Excellent information presented quite poorly. Was it the sound person's first day on the job? Or was there even a sound person present? Anyway, well worth sitting thru regardless.
Jingles sent me :)
Why all the negative votes? It's more or less true. Most officers are simply officers because they were trained to be officers. And traditionally only those of a...Higher social status are able to go through such training.
why did no one mention the best American tank YOH M-V-Y (check it
Belorussian, actually. That's two very different countries.
from what I remember the 90mm gun never had an anti-tank shell like the German 88 and Soviet 85 guns did. Or at least not an effective shell. Plus there was a need to create an entirely new production line at whatever car factory the government awarded the contract to. Plus the question of how to get it through the average rail tunnel and over the average railbridge in America, which was one of the reasons for the Sherman being the size it was.
"I'm terribly sorry to Mr.Cooper if he's out there watching this"
"...from Heaven"
"Oh!, is he dead?" O.O
"Yes"
"Oh.. *awkward laugh**looks up* Sorry!"
"Probably from Heaven"
Please! Need Russian subtitles!
THE CHIEFTAIN LOOKS LIKE GENERAL PATTON
Patton started out as a lieutenant...
Watched 34 Seconds till now and i will raise one question: If you have the most respected tank specialists in this video, why is not one of them german?
They lost
Because there are no well known German tank experts?
And no one talks about gun stabilization!?!
I guess nobody asked.
einstein and steve jobs reincarnated? xD
Belton Cooper is a clown, no need to apologize to him
He joined to become an officer, you have no clue what went on in his head and if his only goal was to become a general. And joining as an officer is harder than joining to be just another trooper, there's a lot more expected of you. And also, Patton was promoted for his successes in battle... But I see I'm talking to someone who knows shit about how armies work or the history of Patton and has an inclination towards spreding conspiracy theories.
Intro was a bit too long.
Landship? tog lol
Uh, no he doesn't.
The guy that does your mic and sound setup needs to be fired.
LOL. Probably was.
1:39 Actually it's SIR David Fletcher, because of the M.B.E.
Wrong
sam8404 you are so wrong, to be a Sir he would need a knighthood, M.B.E. is Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. which is a lower rank than a Knighthood,
wrong,belorussians :P
to bad the audio is recorded in a tomato can
you said he joined with the specific purpose of becoming a general and than bough his way up the ranks, which is obviously not true and now you call me a troll for proving you wrong and claim you said that all along? You really must have spent to much time listening to conspiracy theories if you can actually delude yourself so much.
1 word, 3 parts. Re-ta-rd
Oh, you want a tank game that plays close to reality? How about we make a game where your tank can and will be disabled with one shot, no reticule or crosshair or any other form of ui, not including the tanks instruments, you can only play in first person and you need several people working in concert in order to control it. Oh, and you can only start playing once you've pissed yourself. That sounds like a real fun time.
learn english lol
That sounds like bullshit to me
1 real world expert and the rest academics. Ok, got it.
lame WOt plays far from realty . dumb game whait for warthunder tanks
Landship? tog lol