David in the Bible & Quran | Dr. Shabir Ally

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  • @johnmartinm4232
    @johnmartinm4232 3 роки тому +30

    I read Bible and found king David is a awesome prophet, he prophesied many things about Jesus. King David is awesome. I love his Psalm this gives me hope everytime I read. What a humble king he is. He is a all rounder 🎉

  • @inayatabbas4096
    @inayatabbas4096 3 роки тому +14

    I just want to REMIND onething: in bible they mention david as an adulterer(who seduced #batsheba who already was married to his military general and had illegal child who died after 7 days ) nauzubillah. Beware of that. Islamic prophet dawood can never commit such a sin. Prophets are masoomeen. This is the difference between TRUTH AND LIES!

    • @jewishwhitetiger
      @jewishwhitetiger 3 роки тому +2

      In Jewish law when a man goes to war he gives his wife a (GET) In Judaism it is a temporary Divorce as if wife doesn't get one she will not be allowed to marry unless they can find the body of her husband! So a temporary divorce she has till his comes bk! So on this basis she was temporary not married! King David was then with a women who was not married! He sinned ethical not technical!

    • @suppaman12
      @suppaman12 Рік тому +2

      You know the story of the Bible is the correct one right? He did infact do what you said. He was an adulterer. Old Mo conveniently forgot to put that in his book… I wonder what old Mo would have against the taking of someone else’s wife 😂

    • @kaycarter1540
      @kaycarter1540 Рік тому

      ​@@jewishwhitetigerthe Quranic version says very little about David.
      Thus much of the islamic description comes from ahadith and tafseer. These two things were recorded by the Ulama the ulama were not contemporaries to mohammed never mind David or any of the prophets, so what were their sources ? did Angel Jibril also visit them ? Wouldnt that make them prophets too ?
      There is nothing pre-islamic that supports their version of events. Surely besides books, oral traditions would give a hint of this alternative David but they dont. One can only conclude it is not the same David or their version is simply made up.
      Now let us look at the Quranic David. A little of his story features in sura al baqarah. Within a few lines Saul is made king to go to a holy war, Goliath is killed in battle and immediately after David becomes king. Several different stories from different books of the Tanakh are compressed and conflated in this sura including Saul becoming 'Gideon'. The quran does not know the name of the prophet who anointed Saul [talut means tall] david is in the army (which according to halacha would not be permitted due to his age). There is no mention of how or why David defeating Goliath was remarkable.
      Another problem is that the Quran acknowledges the Zubr (tehillim) and David's authorship or that it was revealed to him.
      If it was a revelation what was it's purpose where is that Zubr now as islam claims that the Zubr we have now is not the same one.
      Is there any evidence of anyone being guided by the zubr or was it meant only for David?
      Here are the problems with these narratives and the problems are manifold . One of the few lines taken from the Miqra that appears in the Quran is from the Zubr, word for word. This points to the Tehillim being the same as we have it today. The one we have today is not a revelation but rather recitals of words of praise and wisdom from mainly David.
      'the righteous shall inherit the earth'
      So when the Quran challenges anyone to write an ayat like it, here is one that was penned by a man and copied in to the Quran. It questions the supposed divine authorship.
      On this preposterous idea that prophets were perfect, they were men with much virtue restrsaint and morals but not flawless. Was David even a prophet ?
      Ironically if we look at all the prophets in islam the only one who trangressed and with a long list of misdemeanours greater than the aggregate of all the errors of all the biblical prophets is Mohammed. But somehow Mohammed was somehow excused or justified in all his wrongs and errors.

    • @july3348
      @july3348 6 місяців тому

      ​@@suppaman12, it's because Old Momo would put himself in hot waters had he recounted David's sins. Old Momo did the nasty things that King David committed, but 10x worse, and he is supposed to be the perfect man. King David harshly faced the consequences of his sin. This is nowhere to be found in the Quran since portraying David in a bad like would be akin to Creepy Old Momo sabotaging himself.

  • @HamzaAli-fp5gb
    @HamzaAli-fp5gb 2 роки тому +7

    فَهَزَمُوهُم بِإِذْنِ ٱللَّهِ وَقَتَلَ دَاوُۥدُ جَالُوتَ وَءَاتَىٰهُ ٱللَّهُ ٱلْمُلْكَ وَٱلْحِكْمَةَ وَعَلَّمَهُۥ مِمَّا يَشَآءُ ۗ وَلَوْلَا دَفْعُ ٱللَّهِ ٱلنَّاسَ بَعْضَهُم بِبَعْضٍۢ لَّفَسَدَتِ ٱلْأَرْضُ وَلَٰكِنَّ ٱللَّهَ ذُو فَضْلٍ عَلَى ٱلْعَٰلَمِين

  • @fidelcatsro6948
    @fidelcatsro6948 4 роки тому +5

    Takbeer!!

    • @NeoLegendX
      @NeoLegendX 4 роки тому

      Solomon never had a problem with this story
      🤔

  • @MrCasco0o
    @MrCasco0o 4 роки тому +5

    Thank you, Dr. Ally. 🙏

  • @1974jrod
    @1974jrod 4 роки тому +15

    The reason why David was aman after Gods own heart was because David knew God was merciful in forgiving David's heinous trespass for which he repented.

    • @NeoLegendX
      @NeoLegendX 4 роки тому +1

      The story doesn't say indicate what you say
      He had enough time to do that after
      He got caught

    • @phun1901
      @phun1901 4 роки тому +2

      @Rafael Mohammad stole his own adopted sons wife after he saw her uncovered, and Zaynabs divorce was not lawful in Gods sight, so Mohammad taking her was actually adultery. Sin us intractable to the human heart. The theory of isma was an innovation that Mohammad didn't teach. The idea prophets were sent primarily as moral examples isnt accurate either.

    • @8bambino
      @8bambino 3 роки тому +1

      @@NeoLegendX there is a story where you learn everything about David its called the bible . Its really the only place where you can read about his real story and only story

    • @NeoLegendX
      @NeoLegendX 3 роки тому +2

      @@8bambino
      The bible is way too altered to be taken seriously.
      You people say take it in faith.
      Great. I take it on faith that it's an absurd collection of stories.

    • @maliksohailafzal5681
      @maliksohailafzal5681 2 роки тому +2

      @@phun1901 his adopted son was actually a former slave, so to raise status of slaves prophet asked his cousin if she would marry a former slave. she agreed, but zaid was actually unable to come to the level of parity with zaynab, which led to months of separation, couple kept avoiding the inevitable to not disobey God messenger, however, Allah sent revelation in quran and annuled the marriage explicitly, inspired Muhammad to take her as wife, as no one would take her after being married to a slave

  • @phun1901
    @phun1901 4 роки тому +12

    Peter calls David a prophet in Acts 2:30 "But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne."
    However while David was king God often spoke to him through other prophets. Such as Gad and Nathan. The balance of power was that kings ruled the people, and were Gods chosen representative. But God often spoke to the king through his prophets, not directly.
    One occasion was 2 Samuel 12, where Nathan asked David to judge between two men, a rich man who took the only ewe from a poor man. When David condemned the greedy man, Nathan revealed that is was David who was the rich man who stole the wife of Uriah. David immediately repented.
    This is a very clear parallel to the story in the Quran about David judging two men about a stolen sheep, and then he immediately repents.

    • @NeoLegendX
      @NeoLegendX 4 роки тому +2

      Except David never stole a woman or ordered a mured on that man

    • @phun1901
      @phun1901 4 роки тому +1

      @@NeoLegendX Do you think it is sensible to study the Quran without examining the literature, the stories, the historical context into which it was introduced and aspires to interact with?

    • @Scorpionking_2024
      @Scorpionking_2024 4 роки тому

      NeoLegendX
      Prove it , don’t just say it

    • @Scorpionking_2024
      @Scorpionking_2024 4 роки тому

      Peter Hunt let @neo prove his claim

    • @Nderitu.G
      @Nderitu.G 4 роки тому +1

      Do you really believe that the Koran is Truth or Just Plagiarized Nonsense. I think it is plagiarized nonsense

  • @yeahbuddy4712
    @yeahbuddy4712 4 роки тому +7

    Acts 2 29.to 30 tells us David was a prophetFellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.

  • @jahangeerbhat1581
    @jahangeerbhat1581 7 місяців тому

    Hadhrat Ali (rta) is reported to have been said; “Whoever says that David, has married Uriah’s wife as the legends are narrate, I will punish him twice: one for qazf (falsely accusing someone of adultery) and the other for desecrating the prophethood (defamation of prophet David)”
    Source: Tafsir al-Kabir, al-Razi, vol. 26, p. 379; Ruh al-Ma’ani, vol. 12, p. 178; Tafsir al-Muraghi, vol. 23, p. 111

  • @brezbrez7845
    @brezbrez7845 3 роки тому +1

    At 4:54 Dr Ally is somewhat hasty in saying that seeing that David ‘is the composer of Psalms’ and ‘seeing that he is the author of sacred scripture’ . That’s quite sacrilegious! That he was the primary recipient/ vassal of divine scripture to be written down and distributed to all would be the actual truth.

    • @S0L12D3
      @S0L12D3 2 роки тому

      He answers the questions in an honest way. He only says what he knows to be true and also acknowledges when he does not entirely know the truth.

  • @Yameen200
    @Yameen200 4 роки тому +8

    Ive always thought that prophets were high moral examples that could do wrongs that didnt do any major harm. It wouldnt be in their nature to possess any or much of the seven deadly sins.

    • @phun1901
      @phun1901 4 роки тому

      The seven deadly sins are not biblical and I don't think they are an Islamic concept either.
      If Adam didn't do a major why was he banished from heaven? Didn't Moses kill an Egyptian man and then have to repent of it? Is that not major harm?

    • @Yameen200
      @Yameen200 4 роки тому +4

      @@phun1901 Whether its islamic, biblical, greek or aboriginal is irrelevant. The seven deadly sins represent the major excesses of poor character and ethics. Regarding the Moses issue, this is said to be an accident not that he planned on murdering the man
      Regarding the Adam issue, your question assumes original sin, this is a doctrine that is neither islamic or logical. Either way the reasoning behind his banishment is already explained in the quran, to educate him and prepare him for the earthly life

    • @alhassangangu4357
      @alhassangangu4357 4 роки тому +8

      Peter Hunt In Islam, intention plays a prominent role. Moses wasn’t intending to kill the man, that was the reason why he was forgiven. God already told the angels that He was going to create a viceroy on earth. Adam was bound to come to the earth whether he ate the fruit or not. But he had to toil for his sustenance as a punishment.

    • @yeahbuddy4712
      @yeahbuddy4712 4 роки тому

      @@alhassangangu4357 well said.

    • @ADeeSHUPA
      @ADeeSHUPA 4 роки тому

      @@alhassangangu4357 uP

  • @Spillers72
    @Spillers72 2 роки тому +3

    David predicted the coming of Christ in Psalms so in the literal sense, he is a prophet.

  • @viktoriya260589
    @viktoriya260589 3 роки тому +4

    David, King if Israel

  • @raffagino8366
    @raffagino8366 2 роки тому +1

    The bible also states that David is a prophet, here are the verses that prove it:
    Acts 2:29-30
    29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.
    السلام عليكم

  • @DolfoLicks
    @DolfoLicks 3 роки тому +3

    The bible actually calls David a prophet and a choosen one by Jaweh.

  • @nunesalbizz5239
    @nunesalbizz5239 Рік тому +6

    In the Quran Davids adultery it's not mentioned because Muhammad wanted to do the same, he took his adopted sons wife Zaynab😯😳😳

    • @dawwww
      @dawwww Рік тому +3

      Exactly! Muhammed wanted to be like David. David confessed his sins and received salvation. Muhammed has no idea what confession is. 😂

    • @Naimedclaiming
      @Naimedclaiming 10 місяців тому +2

      He never wanted to marry her
      God decreeded that he would and he had no choice

    • @HassanAbdullahi-ul1dy
      @HassanAbdullahi-ul1dy 3 місяці тому +1

      1 Our Prophet Muhammad (scw) married a divorcee
      2 Adoption is illegal in Islam
      3 Are you projecting your insecurities on to us

  • @VSP4591
    @VSP4591 3 роки тому +2

    Interesting video. I have a question, why Saul, the first king of the Jews, was not considered a profet in Quran??? Regarding David it is said he had hundreds of wives and concubines. As I know, Islam limited the number to 4 wives. Has this any link to David and Solomon practice with maybe thousand of wives and concubines???

    • @diinomaaxi
      @diinomaaxi 10 місяців тому

      The 4 wives rules started after prophet Muhammad may peace be upon him and is for the regular folks the prophets can have as many wives as they can take care of

  • @tierra8161
    @tierra8161 3 роки тому +3

    David was mentioned inthe Quran as a musician who made instruments from the materials of the earth including the Harp. He wrote Psalm ..QUran mentions David in this context as well...and that Quran should be sung methodically with melody

    • @sumomaster9144
      @sumomaster9144 2 роки тому

      Not a musician, but there is mention of god blessing him with voice was so nice that all creatures even mountains, birds, animals..etc would stop by to listen to him when he was praying and would pray with him. It was so nice that some would die of hunger before stopping listening to that voice.

    • @sumomaster9144
      @sumomaster9144 2 роки тому

      Oh and as for what he could make, he was a blacksmith. Another blessing from god to him was full control over iron. He could literally control it as if it was clay. He made armors for soldiers for living.

  • @robinsongeorge6785
    @robinsongeorge6785 Рік тому +1

    When David made the mistake with Bethsheeba, God punished him and also their child died. Even prophet Nathan came to David and told him a parable which is in Bible.
    But according to quran, Nathans parable story was totally hided. Reason is to make mistakes of having others wives.

    • @abdillahibasheabdi4904
      @abdillahibasheabdi4904 3 місяці тому

      Not hidden but recorrected becuase prophets of God do not commit grave things like that.

  • @arulmozhivarman4967
    @arulmozhivarman4967 3 місяці тому

    So you’re refuting the part of how David was shun upon by prophet Nathan

  • @قبيلةخيرانالعربيةالمغربية

    you know that the Qur’an mentioned the first miracle of Christ, which is that he spoke it when he was a baby, and this is not found in the Bible, so how did Qur’an know about this?

    • @ubahmohyadin8867
      @ubahmohyadin8867 3 роки тому

      Good question, the Koran is the last book of the Bible and the Torah. We all worship same God my friend. 🥰

    • @mathiasbartl903
      @mathiasbartl903 3 роки тому

      The Bible only included the 4 retellings of Jesus live that were decided upon as to be the most reliable, there are however many others that existed and are still exant.

    • @قبيلةخيرانالعربيةالمغربية
      @قبيلةخيرانالعربيةالمغربية 3 роки тому

      @@mathiasbartl903
      You are Muslim ??

    • @S0L12D3
      @S0L12D3 2 роки тому

      It’s a very simple answer. The original Bible is lost, and the chapters that remain have also been changed over time

    • @Elijah.19
      @Elijah.19 2 роки тому +1

      It's a story found in the gospel of Thomas. The story must have been floating around for the writers to add to the Quran. Bruh Mecca and Medina had lots of Jews and Midrashic stories floated around along with the teachings of Nestorian Christians. The lavent was full of historical stories and what you call revelation was stories that were already circulated.

  • @quisarfarhan9433
    @quisarfarhan9433 4 роки тому +4

    Please make a video for public interest on the issue of COVID-19 outbreak

    • @MrCasco0o
      @MrCasco0o 4 роки тому +1

      There are like three Covid 19 videos on this channel.

    • @quisarfarhan9433
      @quisarfarhan9433 4 роки тому

      I didn't check that, thank you

  • @_Be_Still
    @_Be_Still Рік тому

    4:20 I wish I could hear what he said here. 7 years? or 70 or so?

  • @neldasamillanomiranda5483
    @neldasamillanomiranda5483 5 місяців тому +2

    JESUS CHRIST rebuke you for misleading People from the truth.

  • @rooseveltrobinson1164
    @rooseveltrobinson1164 Рік тому +1

    Sound like a cut and paste ministry.

  • @farhadhoassain7855
    @farhadhoassain7855 4 роки тому +3

  • @tiyowprasetyo
    @tiyowprasetyo 3 роки тому +1

    00:10 - 00:22 Dr. Shabir Ally forget the rest of the verse? I thought he's a hafidz or at least all Islamic preachers should memorize the Quran (which called a hafidz).
    Never mind, that thought was wrong confirmed by this video.

  • @ezesolomon3996
    @ezesolomon3996 Рік тому

    Why are all the stories about David in the bible not in the Quran? Why the differences between the bible and Quran

    • @robinsongeorge6785
      @robinsongeorge6785 Рік тому +1

      That's because you will come to know the truth that Jesus Christ is the Lord. From Boaz only the root is coming through David and Christ...
      David, Jeramiah, Daniel, Zechariah........all of them predicted that Jesus Christ is the Lord and not a prophet.

    • @dawwww
      @dawwww Рік тому +2

      Because Muhammed copied the content of the Bible. 😅

    • @Naimedclaiming
      @Naimedclaiming 10 місяців тому

      @@dawwwwwhy would he copy a book of satan? 😂

    • @Danish-ww2jl
      @Danish-ww2jl 7 місяців тому +1

      Bible says he is an adulterer
      And the Quran says he is a prophet
      That's the difference

    • @HassanAbdullahi-ul1dy
      @HassanAbdullahi-ul1dy 3 місяці тому

      Because it was unnecessary for the Islamic faith

  • @masood6096
    @masood6096 4 роки тому +2

    Off topic :
    I Hope he reconsider his views on Sahih Hadiths

    • @masood6096
      @masood6096 4 роки тому

      Marc Carran Hadiths are like Commentary, Explanation and give more details about what mentioned in the Quran

    • @masood6096
      @masood6096 4 роки тому +2

      Rafael Quran Says Offer Prayers, It doesn’t say How, Hadiths say how to pray and How many rakaths for a prayer and all
      If You remove Hadiths, You can’t even pray properly

    • @milliyetci5672
      @milliyetci5672 4 роки тому +2

      ​@Rafael not 200 years, Hadith came 350 years later... Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) forbid to write any kind of hadith at his time bec he feared people'll use hadith in the name of Quran and don't follow the actual Quran.... This things come true in modern day.. Some People more interest in hadith than the holy Quran, the word of God... Even some people created fake hadith for their personal gain...

    • @milliyetci5672
      @milliyetci5672 4 роки тому +4

      @@masood6096 1) this is an poor example.... Hadith lovers always says this example to justify their claim... Muslim offers Prayers everyday 5 times, started during the time of the Prophet (pbuh)... do you really think they started praying after 350 years later when hadith were written??? They could be forget their own names but never forget how to pray Salah... there's thousands of fake Hadith in the hadith book which contradict with Quran.. some people created those fake hadith bec of their personal gain....
      2) read ''Tafsir of Quran'' if you want the Commentary and Explanation of Quran verse....

    • @masood6096
      @masood6096 4 роки тому

      ꧁Райан замановиц꧂ Tafseer’s came even much later , So why are you following that ??
      And Main part of Tafseer is Hadiths so why are you referring to tafseers if you’re not following hadiths ???
      So you pray by following your ancestors right ?? One of the important message of Qur’an is Don’t follow your ancestors blindly
      If you face a problem in salah like Kunooth and other things
      What source will you refer to solve the problem ??
      Scholars have sacrificed their lifetime to get the hadiths with Full narrator list and you’re just here commenting it’s all waste ?! 😪
      They have a way of Filtering the weak hadiths by looking at the narrators list and their biography...

  • @timkhan3238
    @timkhan3238 4 роки тому +2

    When will Shabir Ally going to have a long chat with Christian Prince?

  • @ashleyj97
    @ashleyj97 11 місяців тому

    Acts 2:30 calls David AS a Prophet

  • @8bambino
    @8bambino 3 роки тому +2

    David was not a Prophet , if we try to fit in with the real description of the bible .
    David was a great king , the reason why David was Given scriptures its because David was one of the Kings that God loved a lot . He was faithful to God even when he committed sin and since God is forgiving God forgive him and punish him also .

    • @NeoLegendX
      @NeoLegendX 3 роки тому +1

      Even though the bible explicitly says that he is.
      We have no time for idiots, go away.

    • @8bambino
      @8bambino 3 роки тому

      @@NeoLegendX Okay I hate it when someone just make a claim but cant back it up . Show me one christian or one verse of the bible saying David is a prophet .
      Second one you called the bible and absurd collection of stories that are first of all in some parts of the Quran . They can be attested with archeological proofs , they tell every detail in chronological order so you can follow and understand the book to understand how God’s works with his people and with all people .
      Now let me tell you what an absurd book is . An absurd book will give you no details , wich will raise you questions about a lot of topics , An absurd book will confuse you with having no chronological order . An absurd book will make claims without the possibility to back it up . An absurdd book will tell you beleive what i say because i say so , dont question me , just blindly beleive me . And now try to prove me Quran dont fit in any of the definitions I gave you of an Absurd book . The bible is the work of God throught out history dont ever disrespect what God did for his people and still do up to this date .

    • @NeoLegendX
      @NeoLegendX 3 роки тому

      @@8bambino
      Acts 2:29-31
      And the rest I'm not gonna read because it would be a back and forth with a moron.
      Even in Israel lore he is a prophet.
      Go educate yourself.
      The bible is nonsense.
      That's why the priests never let out publicly.

    • @8bambino
      @8bambino 3 роки тому

      @@NeoLegendX Thank you you were right , I was wrong but it again just still proves the bible is a book of divine revelation

    • @NeoLegendX
      @NeoLegendX 3 роки тому +1

      @@8bambino its a book of nonsense mostly. Period, end of story.

  • @anwarbukhari6178
    @anwarbukhari6178 4 місяці тому

    Wisdom

  • @crisyoung4912
    @crisyoung4912 3 роки тому +1

    I don't understand and I'm yet to have someone to explain but I thought God loved the word so much that he sacrificed jesus for human sins so humanity would love and find their way to God. I don't think of jesus as dying for our sins but that it was the will to the father.

    • @ChekMaFresh
      @ChekMaFresh 3 роки тому +2

      I could never understand this concept, so I don’t believe it at all. If God is supreme and fair and just, why would He require that an innocent righteous man die to save evil people? Isn’t He powerful enough to just forgive them if He wanted to? Or at least require that one of the evil people die? Also, if Jesus was to die for everyone, why would he pray to God to save him in the garden of Gethsemane? And why would he say that God had forsaken him on the cross? That doesn’t make sense to me. How could God love an evil world and hate a righteous man who taught people to love God? Sorry, but I don’t believe that story at all!

    • @zahinelahi2655
      @zahinelahi2655 3 роки тому +1

      @@ChekMaFresh christianity gives me an impression that the father is cruel,unforgiving, uncompromising and unreasonable while the son is merciful,loving, sacrificing and forgiving almost as if a counter balance. It doesnt make sense at all.

    • @daniyalvirk6302
      @daniyalvirk6302 3 роки тому +1

      @@ChekMaFresh In islam that is not the case. Jesus didn’t die for anyone’s sins

    • @highercalling3285
      @highercalling3285 Рік тому

      @@ChekMaFresh in Islam we don't believe God sacrificed Jesus. The people plotted to kill him so God raised him up to Him. And another man was taken in his place. God is merciful and strong. I'm Muslim but I read both Quran and the Bible.

  • @savagejr245
    @savagejr245 3 роки тому

    Didn't she have child wit David and th lord kill David first child for her husband and give them somalomond