I can’t stand when someone says that another art is just “crap”. Every martial art has its benefits and is amazing in its own way. I’ve got friends that train in MMA and they love to tell me that Shotokan (what I practice) is “worthless” and has no benefits to it. I’ve been training in Shotokan my entire life, and it’s ingrained into who I am. And before I had a traumatic accident in 2011, I also trained in boxing, kickboxing, and a little jujutsu (Japanese, not BJJ). I found value in all of it. However my usual reply to someone who says that the traditional arts aren’t practical, I like to bring up Lyoto Machida (former UFC fighter from Japan whose primary style was Shotokan). We all practice Budo. The “do” in Budo means “way” (Budo is Japanese for “Martial Way”), which implies it’s a lifelong pursuit and we’re never done learning and studying. I take that to mean to also learn from other styles as well, any techniques, kata, or anything else that can make me a better Budoka.
Unfortunately it's because of ego and politics that I left Kyokushin and now teach a blend of my shorin-ryu training and kyokushin. I had two higher ranking black belts, from 2 styles of kyokushin, literally try to tell me how to run my dojo. One who has never been to my dojo. Other black belts were jealous of what I have done. We use to train together and they would call me brother to my face, but disrespect me behind my back. And I was supposed to pay on everything. Not to mention, teach it this way, no teach it this way. I'm a martial artist. If I can't learn from others and other styles, then I have failed as a karateka and sensei. My saying is I teach a way. Not the only way. Since leaving both organizations, my dojo has flourished and parents told me how much they did not like the kancho I trained under. He would try to get my students to come to his school. Good job on this one.
I have had a similar thing happen at my classes. I've even been dojo stormed. I made the storming master give up. There's a lot of arrogance and idiots in the martial arts.
The politics in BJJ is crazy bad. Carlos vs Helio lineage debates, sport vs defence debates, belt legitimacy debates...Martial arts are tough enough as it is, without making them harder by becoming involved in all the politics. Forget the politics and train!
I feel. I began Judo recently. and everyones been going on this style on style rampage. I trained in karate, and kickboxing. We ended up talking about how BJJ guys think their art is the end all. But we just wanna train and go home and be prepared for a conflict that we can handle appropriately. In the end we're after the same thing. Learning to protect ourselves
When you start talking about lineage, you are getting ensnared in someone's dogma. Don't get caught up in it. Just learn from lots of people and do what works best.
Unlike MAJ, I feel like when you speak on Martial arts, you don't have a hard lean or pandering audience. You are willing to speak on the weaknesses of your system without being derogatory. You make a point to understand what's being shown, what's being said, and how you feel on the matter in question. You're open minded and you attempt your best at being realistic but also impartial. This is easily one of my favorite channels. Thank you, dude.
Thank you very much, I really appreciate this comment. There are too many others that bash arts or look for the negative. Every art has its pros can cons, and our goal here is to present topics objectively and help people know what to look for or use the channel as a resource. I fully believe that with the right teacher and school ANY art can offer something of value. I thank you for your support of this channel and I hope you continue to enjoy the content we produce :)
I see this in MMA all the time, but to the extent of MMA/UFC vs everyone. The disgusting behavior I've witnessed from that crowd has gone to the extent of disrespect towards anybody who isn't in their scene and even disrespect of creators of different martial arts styles before them. I tend to distance myself from that crowd because it's just a massive gathering of bro culture anyways. I love tend to stick to interacting with more traditional martial artists because they usually uphold their traditions of respect for others.
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Also, veeeeery common in Brazilian Ju Jitsu. They (at least the Gracie's) think they're unbeatable, & make their students believe the same fluff. Their belief is saying every fight goes to the ground. Completely untrue. Every fight I've ever been in or seen in my grammar school as well as high school was always a standing fight. I fought more as a kick boxer in school than any other approach. You get knocked down, you get up & fight until you can't stand up anymore. That's how I fought. Even Bill Superfoot Wallace said that every fight starts standing up. Even the Gracies are well known for cheating. A martial artist that cheats isn't a martial artist. It's flat out dirty fighting. Nothing more, nothing less.
One notable exception (I'm sure there are plenty) is Ramsey Dewey. He's an MMA fighter but he has the attitude and humility of a traditional martial artist. Breath of fresh air.
I introduced Kenpo in Kenya 20 years ago. Today there are 3 & 4 generations of Blackbelts in several new styles. Politics almost destroyed many great connections between Blackbelts.
I found your chanel by accident but I am glad I did... super awesome info... I have trained shotokan for 14 years in El Salvador... keep up the good job
I have a student here in US who is a highschool exchange student from your town. He is a 17 yr old 1st degree BlackBelt in Shotokan.. He has honored your country by winning two First place titles in kata and Kumite at USAMA Grand Nationals two weeks ago. Oss Rene Martinez
Yes I come across this all the time when mma people say they are superior to traditional martial arts and that traditional martial arts won’t work in a real fight
That's the one thing I DON'T GET! Why do some MMA people (I'll give the benefit of the doubt that not all MMA people feel this way, even though it's true) say that?
@@Kobra18721 And the IRONIC THING about it. All of those styles that make up what is concerned by the majority of people who practice MMA (and non-martial artists), those styles have roots from a traditional martial art. I mean, do you hear Hapkido practitioners or Kajukenbo practitioners saying their arts are superior. Well, I'm sure some do, but not to the extent of MMA practitioners. They respect Jeet Kune Do and Bruce Lee..but that's really it, and that's a shame.
It is so funny to watch haters say this won't work in mma and then someone comes in and is successful with it and they have to eat their words, Joe Rogan and many others. Strike/kick or grab/twist; it isn't rocket science or magic.
That was well thought out and executed! I lost my love for martial arts because of politics a while back ago. I have since found it again and realized that people are people and have agendas to protect their business (schools) and the image they are trying to put forth to their students, potential clients, and their standing within the martial arts community. Sometimes that image does not go well with practical applications of the arts.
As someone who has trained in Kenpo for the last thirty years I can say the internal politics are real and they are a big mess, that being said any system of martial arts must be a living system. With every new student brings something to the table.
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It's almost tempting to have the ability to travel back in time and watch all the old time dojo wars. I bet they were the main attraction every time.
@ that depends on why you're traveling back in time to observe the system. If you're traveling back in time to gauge the system's progression then yes, but really the only thing that's changed is Killer Instinct!
Don’t debate, just be well read enough and confident in your knowledge, let someone else’s drinking poison be their problem, not yours. Train, learn, enjoy. Osu!
The same thing with grandmaster. Parker dying in 1990. Not naming a successor. Happened in Kung Fu San Soo when grandmaster. Jimmy H Woo. Passed away. Now all the old Masters. Are claiming they should be grandmaster. This should only go to his grandson. As a grandmaster Woo wanted. So I understand what you're saying. Much respect
Unfortunately if a Grand Master doesn't set things in stone, things like this can happen. Ed Parker Jr. has been forced out of Kenpo by his own family while trying to defend his own Father's wishes, so sometimes outside powers can take the control. It's really unfortunate, especially when the goal should be unification.
Great video and good information. I've found that the longer you train, the more of what you mentioned starts to surface. When it comes to training, you see some good things and you may see some bad things. Remember the good things so they can help you. Remember the bad things so you can avoid them and become a better person.
Thank you for posting this video. Much respect and appreciation from me to you. I have been involved in the martial arts for the better part of my existence... I started studying when I was 12. Unfortunately the politics of martial arts extends to every single martial art out there.. From boxing to Aikido to zui quan. ( see what I did there ] I have been privy to the politics and debates and outright infighting of JKD, FMA, American kenpo, and MMA communities, and I must say that when it comes to the concept of who is right and who is wrong it boils down to everybody is right and everybody is wrong. A wise person once said... A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still... When it comes to martial arts Politics... The best advice I could ever give anybody is to simply not engage. People need conflict, people need to feel Justified and to feel correct. When a conversation begins about martial arts and one person asks the advice or opinions of another.. Remember that you're getting advice and opinions. ultimately... The fact that one would practice the martial arts and promote their art is a testament to their dedication to their art... provided it is done with Integrity, responsibility... And honor
I originally trained in Judo, which in competition, has changed somewhat over the years. Nowadays, leg picks (Kibisu Gaeshi, Kuchiki Daoshi, etc.), Sissor take downs (Kani Basami, etc.), grabs below the waist (Morote Gari, etc.), and standing arm bars (Waki Gatami, Standing Ude Gatami, etc.) have all been deemed Kinshi Waza (Forbidden Techniques) and thus, have been removed from competition Judo for safety. Personally, I think Judo is becoming Greco Roman Wrestling with a Gi. I love all these original techniques, and continue to teach them, and apply them...safely...at my school. I think in Judo competition nowadays, there needs to be better refereeing (that's a word?). If a contestant cannot apply a particular technique safely, then they should be disqualified...but to change the rules of the game? It disappointes me... c'mon Judo! WTF. 😑
My understanding of this is when the Olympic was looking to make cuts, Judo had to distinguish itself from wrestling in order not to get cut. Those changes changed all competition rules. I know that there are several people that do not want BJJ to go in to the Olympics for that reason, they like the different styles of competitions and worry that it will go away if it becomes controlled by an Olympic committee.
@@nealpeterson9714 ...I agree, The Olympics ruined many awesome aspects of Judo. I wouldn't want to see that done to BJJ either. What a bunch of control freaks! 😜
I have followed the recent new rules for Judo, It isn't that bad but I prefer the rules from either the 80's to 2008. I do notice there is alot of newaza being focus now after the U.S won gold and silver medals back in 2016. There is a judo organization that is separate from the IJF and it is called the world judo federation; they focus on the kata, self-defense aspect and philosophy. The organization isn't really big on competition. You should check out Steve Scott on youtube, he shows several techniques that you mention from kibisu gaeshi, kani basami, waki gatame, etc.
@@Katcom111 I know what you mean, I still teach the illegal moves of old Judo and Ju Jutsu. I love them and their many different Kazures too. I am still getting used to the new rules of Judo nowadays. I keep getting Shido, shido, hansumake!...and out of the competition I go. 😁
Lol. that is why there is Freestyle Judo founded by Steve Scott. His rules is better than IJF rules. The new 2017-2018 IJF rules they removed Yuko and started using wazari. Leg grabs is shido and the second time you grab the leg is hansoku make. I understand why they change the rules is to get more people to watch Judo. I notice in most BJJ website including facebook they would post Judo competition videos to attract BJJ players to get into Judo.
i have been in martial arts a long time, and yes i have to admit i've argued with people (to my shame), when i should of not bothered. But maturity brings wisdom (some times), now days i just get on the mat and train, if people like what you do, thats great, if not, no problem, there are many ways to the top of the mountain, each must find his own path, as long as you keep going up thats all that matters. Most negative comments come from people who grade 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th ........ but are really only still a 1st dan. I see this a lot, their technique is the same and done the same way when they took shodan, they just learned a new kata and a couple extra moves, then they grade 2nd dan. Its like they go up the mountain so far, and just go round and round on the same level. I find these are the ones who will be negative about any thing, and their way is the only way.
Thank you! It's been a great week, UA-cam has finally started to recommend us to other views and as we add more content hopefully this community continues to grow larger! Thank you so much for your support!
Which system is the best? I say it really depends on the practitioner. I train Krav Maga because I believe the techniques are most conducive to street defense and survival. I am not looking to compete in MMA or anything like that.
Thanks for the video. I believe that every style is valid. Whether you train for self defense, inner peace, improved physical health or all of the above. Your decision to train for whatever reason is all the validation that you need.
I think that it should also be noted that there are people who earn a black belt in a style and just jump to the conclusion that they're qualified to instruct. They think that what they've been taught alongside of their personal experiences are enough. In some martial arts that's fine. However, in much of today's martial arts; there's strategy in the instruction as well. So, when someone opens up a school and have no understanding behind the curriculum structure... that could lead to students getting themselves (and others) hurt both inside and outside the school.
Teaching martial arts is a very tricky job. Some are great at the business aspect, while others are great teachers of martial arts. Tricky part is finding a school with an instructor/owner with both skill sets. Most unfortunately, have neither! Beware grasshopper. 🦗
It's what's common in martial arts that's important. Never mind the differences. All traditional karate and kung fu have common elements. Search for truth and with hard work U will find it.
Two young adults maybe older teens were snooping through windows in my dojo about 2 months ago, trying to talk my students and their parents to leave this dojo and join their dojo, calling us “Fake” and “not legit” A mother of a student reported this to me, the next day. For one it disgusted me, it was disrespectful and not the way to get people to join your dojo! They only look worse and less credible trash talking another dojo for gain. I wasnt personally offended i was just disgusted, a martial artist should never make such actions, if gives Martial arts a bad name. Never saw them again, i was furious but i know what i know.
Politics, lol! I have watched people and dealt with people talking about how their hung gar Kung fu is better because they learned from another teacher. But when I joined in the class. All the basics were exactly the same. The drills were exactly the same. The only difference was the way the instruction and intent was given!! But I have seen many karate schools that were completely different on their teaching of everything. I have also been in the middle of discussions with Kung fu schools that were teaching a version of what they thought was a true style. It’s very upsetting when you let yourself get into that kind of discussion!! There will be no winner only a bad taste of the art!! So beware of letting yourself get into that situation. Just enjoy the art and stay focused on what you want to get from it!!!
I have to say I've been really lucky with not having to deal with the politics in any way during my time training in the martial arts. As Tae Kwon Do has been the martial art I've trained the longest in, I really haven't had to deal with the politics. I've been very lucky to have trained in both Chung Do Kwan/ITF TKD (The first martial art I trained in) and WTF TKD. My Chung Do Kwan instructor never talked down or talked bad about any martial art. I think that is due to him having trained in another martial art before training mainly in TKD; so that to me makes him open-minded. The instructor at the WTF TKD school was an open-minded instructor as well. he didn't have any ill will to me because I came from an ITF school. Matter-of-fact, one of assistant instructors was one of my university classmates who had trained at one of the ITF in the same town (My ITF school was in a different town) and earned his black belt from there. And to add to that, be sheer coincidence, a former classmate of mine from our old TKD school started training at the WTF school like a month after me. I've read discussions on online martial arts groups about TKD over the years. And usually the discussions are: Which is better, ITF or WTF TKD? Which is the better school of the original 9 Kwans of TKD, which Chung Do Kwan is one TKD, whether ITF or WTF is all about kicking, so it not a good martial art for self defense WTF is all about sport, so it's not a good martial art for self defense TKD is Korean Karate There are more, but these discussions are like the main basic ones that go on all the time.
Very good presentation, Dan! Having been in the martial arts for so long, I've definitely seen plenty of politics at every level. I have always stayed out of it. Part of that is due to my nature (I stay out of governmental politics also), and partly because I have never felt any gain or investment for me by doing it. I have enjoyed learning my lineage since I never really understood it for a long time. I just train hard and enjoy the simple pleasures of doing it. If I can give some knowledge to others, I do willingly. If they offer me some, I take willingly.
I just wanted to contribute to the conversation. I know a lot of people think that there is one art to rule them all, when it is really about the individual, and how they have honed their craft, I have beaten black belts, I have wrestled to win fights against lower belts, I have fought many belt levels of many arts, and it always comes down to one thing, me kicking their butt.... no, I am totally kidding, it comes down to the ability the individual has. I personally am not a fan of taekwondo for a fighting style, but I have seen some people who are really good at it, and others that are just ridiculously fit because of it.
I never like debating about what style is “better”, because its in the hands of beholder. I tend to avoid it or i just say, its different for everyone, and theres many branches, and you wont know until you truly study in-depth about the style and curriculum of everything, learning every move in the book and each of their purposes. Man its about being the best you, and as long and its a positive impact to your character and not becoming a self indulgent ego then theres nothing wrong with what you practice
Remember..in the old time period there is a challenge match against other martial artist. This is either to challenge to the death...or beat the shit out of them.
I'm the kind of person that likes to know about the lineage and history of my art. But where some people see divisions and splits, I see branches of a family tree. The one place where these branches can become a hindrance is in the competitive aspect. Tournaments are usually restricted to a particular branch, which is considered necessary in order to evaluate forms properly, spar within similar rules, etc... I would love to see a solution to this problem. My area has smallish tournaments in ATA TKD, WT TKD (by far the largest tourny), TSD (several different branches), XMA, etc... I think that with the right judges and the right standards for judging, these are all close enough in style to be combined, and wouldn't that be a cool event! Maybe someday. The other issue I've noticed is that some black belts can become stranded if their federation/association dissolves, unable to progress any further without starting over from scratch in a new system. I would love to see a workable solution to that problem.
In the system I study, we recently cut off almost all of our NZ, Aus and Japan schools due to the Sifu for that part of the world not following our Sigung's teachings. Fully understand
I love karate. I love all arts, I think it's really fascinating how many different styles humans have come up with and the different results that can come from that.
Another excellent video. This was a really good topic. And you addressed it well. In the future I would like to hear you address the topic of people who claim to have rank that they really don’t. I would be curious to hear your opinions on that. I’m sure you’ve run into guys like that in your journey.
Thank you! I have thought about doing that, the only thing is I don't really want the channel to become another one of those "Defrauding" series that there is already a ton of online. I'm trying to keep the perspective more positive and provide tools and videos that can help people with their training. The intent behind the McDojo video was to help people analyze their own school with their own eyes, instead of me pointing a finger and claiming a particular establishment was a McDojo. My general opinion is...if the school or instructor is teaching anything remotely close to "no touch" or throwing Chi, or mystical energy healing and powers...then steer clear of that school, definitely fraudulent. Defense comes from education, understanding of the human body and reactions, and physical fitness.
I'm practicing Hapkido with three main instructors plus a master grandmaster who come down to visit on occasion. All of whom either have or still train in other forms of martial art. I'll take their word in saying there is no perfect art. For me i love Hapkido
@@ArtofOneDojo Thats great. I recently attended a memorial for Ray Cooper, one of the last remaining original circle of John Keehan (Count Dante) students from Chicago 1963. Keehan was from the Trias lot until he went rouge and became the "deadliest man alive" . There has been a rash of 10th dan promotions by an alleged decedent of Keehan. We don't know who it is. If your research takes you down Keehan lane, don't bite your tongue.
Thank you very much for covering this topic. I started in kenpo as a young teen back in 1983. This was not covered so well back then other than my instructor bringing awareness around politics in kenpo and not wanting to get involved in them to the best of his ability. Would you be up for writing a book on this topic?
Thank you for the kind words! I do have a couple of book topics in the works, Politics in martial arts is one of them on the drawing board (I have a ton of examples from Kenpo alone).
Question: What about people who take up a martial art, but have a physical disability? If that person can't perform the art should they be allowed to, and should they be allowed to advance in the art?
This is a VERY tough call honestly, and I'm a bit on the fence about it. I think we need to look at it with the viewpoint that the martial arts are supposed to make a person better, so if they are improving themselves to the limit of their capacity, why not let them advance? It's working for them? But there are many aspects to the martial arts so does that qualify them for a black belt? It's a hard question honestly, and we do talk about it a little bit in this video: ua-cam.com/video/vbdkRILjRHM/v-deo.html
@@ArtofOneDojo Thank you for responding. I suppose that the meat of the question is that any martial arts is developed with key beliefs and standards. While I understand that many of them are about self improvement, once a person reaches the limit of what their able to improve, where do you draw the line to cut them off? At what point is the traditions, standards, and reputation of a martial art outweighing the stagnation of self improvement caused by a person's physical limitation?
About the resources thing, i just wanted to say that there are plenty websites with books about martial arts we can use for our research or for combining different moves with our martial arts. For example, I've found Ed Parker's books in one of those sites.
The infamous my kungfu is better than your kungfu argument will always be the plague of the martial arts community.no matter what shape it takes. I see it all the time in the Isshinryu karate community. Shimabuku sensei was always refining Isshinryu and you can see that in the first generation students depending upon what year they trained under Shimabuku sensei.even if its something small.When in reality the Isshinryu community is very fortunate to have a so much material left behind by our founder telling us what his expectations were. I.e. low kicks, small stances, natural movements,etc. And when following Shimabuku's guidelines you can tell very quickly that it's isshinryu karate.
I just became a renegade just to avoid politics. I honestly don't care what people or other so call masters think. I'm happy training with other people who just like to train
My sifu says anybody can start a fight, but one must consider what is to gained and what is to be lost. Similarly, anybody can start an argument about what art is better, what will one gain if one wins the argument. I would question, how do you know you won the argument...
I definitely can be, Shotokan will be good for sharp techniques and power, and Wing Chun will give a little better technique on the self defense portion. As long as you feel good in both they should mix well enough together.
Having studied in both the Parker and the Tracy systems of kenpo, I must confess I never understood the inherent animosity that seems to permeate, particularly from the Tracy quarters. I don't understand it and I certainly don't like it. Both are perfectly valid styles of kenpo, and in fact don't really seem to be terribly different in content or application, in my opinion. The "Tracy attitude" (please forgive me for that one) really turned me off and eventually caused me to not renew my contract, which is a shame, as the studio was very convenient (right down at the end of my street), with good instructors. I really liked the curriculum but the attitude, especially towards the Parker style and its practitioners, is what killed it for me, sadly.
I like to stick with facts. You can argue opinions but you can't argue facts without looking foolish. Reliable sources (note the plural) are important. Although sometimes researching the history of arts can be problematic because insufficient records exist, either through a lack of good record keeping or because records were destroyed during invasions, social upheavals etc. It's really liking dealing with anything else historical; we need to draw conclusions or make hypotheses based on available evidence. Studying the history of martial arts can often be like looking at incomplete fossil records.
Sometimes it's not about the organizations founders/legitimacy. Is it going in the direction you believe the art/organization ought to be going. Does it line up with your goals.
To sum this up. Like secular politics in Washington, Christian denominations, so to is the world of Martial arts, debate, debate, debate with lack of unity (at least until Jeet Kwon Do ha ha) Honestly it all seems based in Hinduism, much like Yoga and Tai Chi. I am very careful in what I choose to practice so as not to channel the pantheon of Gods and anamist spiritual entities within Hinduism that somehow has strong connections to martial arts of many varieties. I recall when in college I encountered a tae kwon do master who based his style off of Tang Su Do because of a debate on its origin as to the true formula of Korean martial arts. I had to relearn and educate myself but it was a lot of fun during those times.
The earlier videos were a social media experiment with my instructor a few years ago to test out how a channel would grow with a bunch of short, informational videos. Then our channel sat quiet for a few years and we decided to create this new show to develop a stronger martial arts show that could serve as a better resource. Eventually the others will be archived but for now they are still there because they still develop a lot of traffic for the channel.
This happens a lot in Jeet Kune Do. Each one of Bruce Lee's students have their own version of what they learned from Bruce himself, causing a lot of "mine is the better version" kind of thing.
Yep, I have actually had Kenpo instructors look me in the face and say "I don't know what everyone else is teaching but *I* Have the REAL version". Sure. Ok. Whatever chief lol. Unfortunately this seems to be everywhere these days.
As Sensei Dan said, it's everywhere, and sadly enough, it's happened twice to me, with vastly different Martial Arts. Apparently, it gets equally horrible with the SEA (Southeast Asian) Arts like PT Kali & Sayoc. But going back to JKD, methinks there is a healthy side to all the different instructors and styles, it ends up creating a healthy melting-pot to evolve the art, just as Bruce Lee intended. Now, if only they would sit down and agree for that to happen...
Hello, just to inform you that I think you made a mistake here, in one part of the video, you showed a photo of Yip Man with a caption of "founder of Wing Chun". He is NOT the founder of Wing Chun. According to legend, a nun named Ng Mui from ancient time founded the art. Yip Man is just one of the most famous Sifu of modern time Wing Chun.
The origin of Wing Chun traces its roots in Fujian White Crane which was founded in Yongchun County, Fujian. Yongchun is the Mandarin pronunciation of Wing Chun. Ip Man’s version of the history could just be a myth someone made up.
It is correct that ip man was not the founder, but don't let that take away from the very important concept he is trying to deliver. I'm tempted to think that this "mistake" was intentional to see if we would take his advice.
Schisms in martial arts are extremely common, and they're often the result of an instructor wanting to branch off, open his/her own school, and avoid having to pay franchise/association fees from their parent organization. I've known many martial arts school owners, and it seems like a very tough business to be involved in, especially because student contracts are a "necessity" in the business. Unfortunately, there is a natural knee-jerk reaction among many consumers to avoid long contracts at all costs, especially when most kids tend to be "fickle" in their interests. Unlike school sports, dojo owner/operators cannot count on a "guaranteed season" in which they will have x number of students training under them. The person who runs a school is in the precarious position of having to "retain students", many of whom will "quit" the moment that their contract expires -- especially if their "second contract" also requires another lengthy stretch of time.
The art I did shoalin karate Kung fu I said this before on another video it’s a blended form of Kenpo from Singapore I was half way through my training then it closed I’ve joined other schools they gave me a lot of criticism for my techniques by Wado ki Ryu karate like axe kick throws sweeps and low kicks they didn’t like me using them it was a big change
Was a Shorin Ryu practitioner since 1994 and became a black belt during the year 2000. 2018 I left because of the politics. Masters fighting over which style is better. What ticked me off was when I started cross training in Muay Thai. They started talking trash that muay thai or non Okinawan arts are not humble. Seriously, that is so judgemental. I left Karate and now train in muay thai. I respect Karate but some of the people that run it are just too close minded.
I train shotokan karate_do and politics have ruined the art in my opinion too many federations and not enough unity we need one unified curriculum with the freedom to evolve the art I have had to leave a dojo because of politics it is a shame when people preach to you but cannot take there own advice hopefully things will change
Daniel Griffith I trained at a JKA shotokan dojo for a while. And they seemed so narrow minded. I attempted free flow sparring. And the senpai yells at me from the other end of the room “SHOTOKAN ONLY PLEASE!!” When they change one part in a kata in Tokyo it has to change here too. I listened to this one guy who had trained there over 28 years and was a 4th dan explain how he just learned throws could be executed from some blocks in katas. And I was like... WOW. you JUST learned that. (No I didn’t say that out loud). Great form, technique, and power. But they seemed so one dimensional at that particular dojo.
Well there are two posibilities. The first is that Yip Man actually was the founder of Wing Chun, and he time travelled backwards to teach who people THINK started the art and then back to his present time, or 2...possibly I reused the text template for Ed Parker that said Founder of Kenpo and forgot to take out the "founder" part when typing Yip Man. It's definitely one of those two options.
Uff I hate politics in martial arts and try to ignore it as much as I can. I get enough of it in my day to day life. My old shotokan sensei often said to leave it all outside when you step into the dojo.
Would be awesome to debate on the topic of firearms vs martial arts and why most martial artist remain so ignorant on utilizing violence to win situations. Violence is a tool. It be great to debate with you Art of One Dojo
i think the importance is that a student may not want to invest time and effort into a system when their rank cant transfer. what if the student has to move house? may have a hard time finding dojo with same teachings and nomenclature. That's why I would lean on the side of the larger organization, all other things being equal. Please do a video where you rank the organizations by size/popularity! complete kenpo noob here...also wonder what diff is between japanese and american kenpo
I don't know that I can put a popularity list like that together. It's far too many styles and it also changes by region of the world too. American Kenpo is very different than Japanese Kenpo, if you haven't see it yet check out our "History of American Kenpo" that we released a couple weeks ago, I break down a lot of the working pieces of Ed Parker Kenpo.
This happened in Jeet Kun do. Danny Inosanto told Bruce Lee's students that he and Bruce were practicing Filipino Arnis. Many students left Danny because they only wanted Shaolin forms. (I am a student of Grnd Tuhon Leo Gaje jr, Tom Bisio and Tuhon Wm Mcgrath and there is no question of debate--the method, as it is works. No speculations, eg One of Leo Gaje's first students started doing ''performances'' and forgot and lost the art and it's combat applications. He was rejected in writing and no one should work with him
I have seen it but I have not trained in it. It's definitely an older more traditional form of Karate, which is cool for it's history but I am not familiar with much else of it.
The difference between belief, truth, and reality. Politics happens because a belief is challenged. If you are seeking the truth you will always assume that you are wrong and there is something to learn. The reality is belief can lead one to develop a deep understanding of a topic that may or may not be universally applicable. That doesn't mean it is completely wrong or invalid it just means it is not universally applicable. Like Pythagoras.....he worshiped the triangle. Gave us this awesome math bur was ultimately deemed a quack because he worshiped the triangle as a universal truth. It was his own student who pointed out his flaw.
These are internal politics, good video, but I was expecting an external politics video and how they can have influence in martial arts. I'm talking about lobby, reputation, citizens and politicians attitude towards it, legislation and that kind of stuff. Would be a great video. Prohibitions, permissions, antidoping, competition and sports organization laws, incentives, also media coverage and public opinion. Interesting cases are the MMA development, karate in the Olympics, and for something smaller, you can look at the muay thai/thai boxing de-regulation in Rio de Janeiro, where masters degrees (sorry if I don't know how to refere to them in English) are being sold, not earned, and pretty much anyone can make an organization, which led to terrible "adaptations" and distortions of the thailandese martial art.
I wanted to keep this particular video on the topic of the internal fighting and I've seen many people get discouraged in their training because of it. The politics you mentioned is a separate idea altogether, but a good one and I may cover that in a future video. I appreciate the suggestion :)
I teach Kodokan Judo. That's Judo with strikes, throws, and grappling. Would I just say Jigoro Kano is my lineage or what? I'm just teaching the way I learned plus what I've found works better. That's okay, right?
By lineage, that generally refers to who you trained under, and who THEY trained under and so on. Kano is the founder, and I wouldn't really say that's your lineage unless you can trace your instructors direct path back to him. Ed Parker started American Kenpo, but I can't say I'm part of his lineage. My original instructor trained from an instructor who learned from Lee Wedlake, who trained with Huk Planas, who trained with Parker. I would say he was from the Wedlake/Planas Lineage. My second instructor trained under Jeff Speakman and HIS style, so he is of Speakman lineage. You can always trace back to the founder if you go back far enough but your "lineage" is really the emphasis and teaching style you came from.
@@ArtofOneDojo Okay, so I've never trained Judo under one person. I've had lots of teachers, some were not competitors, some were nationally ranked. I've trained under Olympic coaches, I've also come to some realizations, myself, while training with less experienced people. This is why I think lineage is just some control bullshido. The best path is to carve your own with the experience of many teachers. I'd argue to find the truth, listen to what many people say and see where they line up. Then test it, in a live way, to see if it works. Then find the best way to do the thing, based on what works and what they taught you. Lineage just sets you up to fail, if your lineage is bullshido.
There isn't much politics when it comes to the martial art I train in(Muay Thai). Everyone's too worried about getting sweeped to care XDD But sometimes people do go against some forms of Martial Arts.Shotokan and Okinawan Karate are the most popular to go against.
No idea, it's really not a set time. There isn't any curriculum to follow for further testing so it's just time and grade into the system. I also don't currently have a Kenpo instructor I train under, so that makes promotion more difficult. Honestly, it doesn't matter, there's no rush at all. I'm currently really enjoying exploring the art on my own :)
@@ArtofOneDojo. Thank you for answering my question. I understand that rank or belt level doesn't matter too much. Your perseverance through the set backs you have had (School closing, Instructors moving away ect.) on your way to leveling up in kenpo is inspiring.
The way has been the same for ages. The beauty of the way is that its simple and easy to tell whose view is the best. No one devotes their life to training to fight to not handle their disagreements as a warrior. In accordance with the way, one calmy and politely challenges one to a "comparison of skills" and if the other agrees, then would ensue a completely productive and educational event for both parties. Idk why this guy didnt say this
Hard to do that when the two "warriors" are across the country or on the computer. A lot of it also doesn't come from active trainers, but sometimes people with affiliation with one art will just bad mouth another with experience. Also not everyone devotes themselves to the martial arts to be a warrior. Some people want to just be able to defend themselves, or maybe exercise or just for health reasons. Debates aren't always settled just because two people decide to fight. The argument isn't always over who is a better fighter either.
@@ArtofOneDojo i agree to a certain extent. For those who did choose the way, can step in and bring awareness to those who struggle with etiquette, and knda got that big fish in a small pond mentality. Warriors that choose the way are not concerned with their own ego, but concerned with the simplicity of the way and helping to keep things simple and honest. But keyboard warriors are of no concern, only those that present themselves like you. All im saying is that you are a nice guy, but there is a way to discipline and help others in the way or just a person who wants self defense training with a ego issue, while showing mercy.....it requires one to show them physically.
Honestly, sit in and watching a couple of classes will allow you to get a good idea of what the school is like, or ask to take a few sample classes. Asking to spar the master of the school is definitely a challenge, even if you don't intend it to be so, and is not likely to go over well.
i ive noticed they dont like it much but i dont have time in my training scheduled to waist watching classes and take a few free classes even if the martial art has nothing worth wile to learn or just a variation on what i even know and it allows for the learning experiments of fighting a master off a great martial and possibly learning from a loss by a fighter that is far more skilled then me but i have a problem with them getting angry and talking trash about me after their loss
Honestly, what you are doing is pretty disrespectful. Are you challenging them in FRONT of their students or behind closed doors? You can definitely at least get a feel or a taste of a school by watching or trying a class. If you don't have time to try it, then how do you have time to spar them in a challenge? What exactly is your goal, going from school to school asking them to fight? If you walk into a class, challenge the instructor at beat him, he's going to be angry (whether sour grapes that you made a fool of him or that you disrespected him in front of his school). If you lose, he still wins but then he'll likely have lost some respect for you. Either way, I don't see it being very productive. If you do this, people will continue to be upset, whether it's justified or not. And the fact that seem concerned that they are angry tells me you at least care about the respect, so honestly I would approach it differently. Try or watch a class, most schools offer a free trial of some sort.
Yes it is serious years ago I was asked to go to a tournament it was all Taekwondo a friend of mine was competing there was one competitor there who was hapkido he was kicking everybody's butt literally in forms and fighting could not score a point to save his life after it was over I went to talk to him he said yes I know about the politics but I just wanted to show him a few things
I can’t stand when someone says that another art is just “crap”. Every martial art has its benefits and is amazing in its own way. I’ve got friends that train in MMA and they love to tell me that Shotokan (what I practice) is “worthless” and has no benefits to it. I’ve been training in Shotokan my entire life, and it’s ingrained into who I am. And before I had a traumatic accident in 2011, I also trained in boxing, kickboxing, and a little jujutsu (Japanese, not BJJ). I found value in all of it.
However my usual reply to someone who says that the traditional arts aren’t practical, I like to bring up Lyoto Machida (former UFC fighter from Japan whose primary style was Shotokan).
We all practice Budo. The “do” in Budo means “way” (Budo is Japanese for “Martial Way”), which implies it’s a lifelong pursuit and we’re never done learning and studying. I take that to mean to also learn from other styles as well, any techniques, kata, or anything else that can make me a better Budoka.
Unfortunately it's because of ego and politics that I left Kyokushin and now teach a blend of my shorin-ryu training and kyokushin. I had two higher ranking black belts, from 2 styles of kyokushin, literally try to tell me how to run my dojo. One who has never been to my dojo. Other black belts were jealous of what I have done. We use to train together and they would call me brother to my face, but disrespect me behind my back. And I was supposed to pay on everything. Not to mention, teach it this way, no teach it this way.
I'm a martial artist. If I can't learn from others and other styles, then I have failed as a karateka and sensei. My saying is I teach a way. Not the only way.
Since leaving both organizations, my dojo has flourished and parents told me how much they did not like the kancho I trained under. He would try to get my students to come to his school.
Good job on this one.
I have had a similar thing happen at my classes. I've even been dojo stormed. I made the storming master give up. There's a lot of arrogance and idiots in the martial arts.
The politics in BJJ is crazy bad. Carlos vs Helio lineage debates, sport vs defence debates, belt legitimacy debates...Martial arts are tough enough as it is, without making them harder by becoming involved in all the politics. Forget the politics and train!
I feel. I began Judo recently. and everyones been going on this style on style rampage. I trained in karate, and kickboxing. We ended up talking about how BJJ guys think their art is the end all. But we just wanna train and go home and be prepared for a conflict that we can handle appropriately. In the end we're after the same thing. Learning to protect ourselves
When you start talking about lineage, you are getting ensnared in someone's dogma. Don't get caught up in it. Just learn from lots of people and do what works best.
Unlike MAJ, I feel like when you speak on Martial arts, you don't have a hard lean or pandering audience. You are willing to speak on the weaknesses of your system without being derogatory. You make a point to understand what's being shown, what's being said, and how you feel on the matter in question.
You're open minded and you attempt your best at being realistic but also impartial.
This is easily one of my favorite channels. Thank you, dude.
Thank you very much, I really appreciate this comment. There are too many others that bash arts or look for the negative. Every art has its pros can cons, and our goal here is to present topics objectively and help people know what to look for or use the channel as a resource. I fully believe that with the right teacher and school ANY art can offer something of value.
I thank you for your support of this channel and I hope you continue to enjoy the content we produce :)
Be Humble and respectful
I see this in MMA all the time, but to the extent of MMA/UFC vs everyone. The disgusting behavior I've witnessed from that crowd has gone to the extent of disrespect towards anybody who isn't in their scene and even disrespect of creators of different martial arts styles before them. I tend to distance myself from that crowd because it's just a massive gathering of bro culture anyways. I love tend to stick to interacting with more traditional martial artists because they usually uphold their traditions of respect for others.
Also, veeeeery common in Brazilian Ju Jitsu. They (at least the Gracie's) think they're unbeatable, & make their students believe the same fluff. Their belief is saying every fight goes to the ground. Completely untrue. Every fight I've ever been in or seen in my grammar school as well as high school was always a standing fight. I fought more as a kick boxer in school than any other approach. You get knocked down, you get up & fight until you can't stand up anymore. That's how I fought. Even Bill Superfoot Wallace said that every fight starts standing up. Even the Gracies are well known for cheating. A martial artist that cheats isn't a martial artist. It's flat out dirty fighting. Nothing more, nothing less.
One notable exception (I'm sure there are plenty) is Ramsey Dewey. He's an MMA fighter but he has the attitude and humility of a traditional martial artist. Breath of fresh air.
I introduced Kenpo in Kenya 20 years ago. Today there are 3 & 4 generations of Blackbelts in several new styles. Politics almost destroyed many great connections between Blackbelts.
I train kenpo i kenya..nice to find you here grand master
"My way is not the only way but it is a way" This is the motto of The American Shorin Ryu Training System O' Sensei Jimmy Gough
I wish that more people took this viewpoint.
I found your chanel by accident but I am glad I did... super awesome info... I have trained shotokan for 14 years in El Salvador... keep up the good job
Awesome! Keep up the training and thank you very much for the encouraging words!
I have a student here in US who is a highschool exchange student from your town. He is a 17 yr old 1st degree BlackBelt in Shotokan.. He has honored your country by winning two First place titles in kata and Kumite at USAMA Grand Nationals two weeks ago. Oss Rene Martinez
Its good to see the community is finally putting things in a structured perspective. Keep doing what you doing, big fan.
Thank you so much for the supporting words! That is the goal of this channel :)
Yes I come across this all the time when mma people say they are superior to traditional martial arts and that traditional martial arts won’t work in a real fight
That's the one thing I DON'T GET! Why do some MMA people (I'll give the benefit of the doubt that not all MMA people feel this way, even though it's true) say that?
ghost7524 it’s because of there ego and the fact that they want to feel superior but that same ego will be there biggest downfall in the future
@@Kobra18721 And the IRONIC THING about it. All of those styles that make up what is concerned by the majority of people who practice MMA (and non-martial artists), those styles have roots from a traditional martial art. I mean, do you hear Hapkido practitioners or Kajukenbo practitioners saying their arts are superior. Well, I'm sure some do, but not to the extent of MMA practitioners. They respect Jeet Kune Do and Bruce Lee..but that's really it, and that's a shame.
ghost7524 it is shameful nowadays it’s too much ego and not enough humility
They say that about american kenpo to, so your not alone in the traditional martial arts community.
It is so funny to watch haters say this won't work in mma and then someone comes in and is successful with it and they have to eat their words, Joe Rogan and many others. Strike/kick or grab/twist; it isn't rocket science or magic.
That was well thought out and executed! I lost my love for martial arts because of politics a while back ago. I have since found it again and realized that people are people and have agendas to protect their business (schools) and the image they are trying to put forth to their students, potential clients, and their standing within the martial arts community. Sometimes that image does not go well with practical applications of the arts.
As someone who has trained in Kenpo for the last thirty years I can say the internal politics are real and they are a big mess, that being said any system of martial arts must be a living system. With every new student brings something to the table.
It's almost tempting to have the ability to travel back in time and watch all the old time dojo wars. I bet they were the main attraction every time.
Taekwondo is the same way
@ that depends on why you're traveling back in time to observe the system. If you're traveling back in time to gauge the system's progression then yes, but really the only thing that's changed is Killer Instinct!
@ when I say that the martial arts system has to be a living system what I mean is it has to change evolve and grow
Don’t debate, just be well read enough and confident in your knowledge, let someone else’s drinking poison be their problem, not yours. Train, learn, enjoy. Osu!
you're totally correct, why can't all martial artists have this mindset :'(
The same thing with grandmaster. Parker dying in 1990. Not naming a successor. Happened in Kung Fu San Soo when grandmaster. Jimmy H Woo. Passed away. Now all the old Masters. Are claiming they should be grandmaster. This should only go to his grandson. As a grandmaster Woo wanted. So I understand what you're saying. Much respect
Unfortunately if a Grand Master doesn't set things in stone, things like this can happen. Ed Parker Jr. has been forced out of Kenpo by his own family while trying to defend his own Father's wishes, so sometimes outside powers can take the control. It's really unfortunate, especially when the goal should be unification.
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Thanks my friend! You too!!!
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Great points... Politics is a waste...
Well presented. Thank you for posting.
Thank you!
Great video and good information. I've found that the longer you train, the more of what you mentioned starts to surface.
When it comes to training, you see some good things and you may see some bad things. Remember the good things so they can help you. Remember the bad things so you can avoid them and become a better person.
Thank you for posting this video. Much respect and appreciation from me to you.
I have been involved in the martial arts for the better part of my existence... I started studying when I was 12.
Unfortunately the politics of martial arts extends to every single martial art out there.. From boxing to Aikido to zui quan.
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I have been privy to the politics and debates and outright infighting of JKD, FMA, American kenpo, and MMA communities, and I must say that when it comes to the concept of who is right and who is wrong it boils down to everybody is right and everybody is wrong.
A wise person once said... A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still...
When it comes to martial arts Politics... The best advice I could ever give anybody is to simply not engage.
People need conflict, people need to feel Justified and to feel correct.
When a conversation begins about martial arts and one person asks the advice or opinions of another.. Remember that you're getting advice and opinions.
ultimately... The fact that one would practice the martial arts and promote their art is a testament to their dedication to their art... provided it is done with Integrity, responsibility... And honor
I originally trained in Judo, which in competition, has changed somewhat over the years. Nowadays, leg picks (Kibisu Gaeshi, Kuchiki Daoshi, etc.), Sissor take downs (Kani Basami, etc.), grabs below the waist (Morote Gari, etc.), and standing arm bars (Waki Gatami, Standing Ude Gatami, etc.) have all been deemed Kinshi Waza (Forbidden Techniques) and thus, have been removed from competition Judo for safety. Personally, I think Judo is becoming Greco Roman Wrestling with a Gi. I love all these original techniques, and continue to teach them, and apply them...safely...at my school. I think in Judo competition nowadays, there needs to be better refereeing (that's a word?). If a contestant cannot apply a particular technique safely, then they should be disqualified...but to change the rules of the game? It disappointes me... c'mon Judo! WTF. 😑
My understanding of this is when the Olympic was looking to make cuts, Judo had to distinguish itself from wrestling in order not to get cut. Those changes changed all competition rules. I know that there are several people that do not want BJJ to go in to the Olympics for that reason, they like the different styles of competitions and worry that it will go away if it becomes controlled by an Olympic committee.
@@nealpeterson9714 ...I agree, The Olympics ruined many awesome aspects of Judo. I wouldn't want to see that done to BJJ either. What a bunch of control freaks! 😜
I have followed the recent new rules for Judo, It isn't that bad but I prefer the rules from either the 80's to 2008. I do notice there is alot of newaza being focus now after the U.S won gold and silver medals back in 2016. There is a judo organization that is separate from the IJF and it is called the world judo federation; they focus on the kata, self-defense aspect and philosophy. The organization isn't really big on competition. You should check out Steve Scott on youtube, he shows several techniques that you mention from kibisu gaeshi, kani basami, waki gatame, etc.
@@Katcom111 I know what you mean, I still teach the illegal moves of old Judo and Ju Jutsu. I love them and their many different Kazures too. I am still getting used to the new rules of Judo nowadays. I keep getting Shido, shido, hansumake!...and out of the competition I go. 😁
Lol. that is why there is Freestyle Judo founded by Steve Scott. His rules is better than IJF rules. The new 2017-2018 IJF rules they removed Yuko and started using wazari. Leg grabs is shido and the second time you grab the leg is hansoku make. I understand why they change the rules is to get more people to watch Judo. I notice in most BJJ website including facebook they would post Judo competition videos to attract BJJ players to get into Judo.
True warriors do not argue They show their prowess on the battlefield (Mahabharat)
i have been in martial arts a long time, and yes i have to admit i've argued with people (to my shame), when i should of not bothered. But maturity brings wisdom (some times), now days i just get on the mat and train, if people like what you do, thats great, if not, no problem, there are many ways to the top of the mountain, each must find his own path, as long as you keep going up thats all that matters.
Most negative comments come from people who grade 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th ........ but are really only still a 1st dan. I see this a lot, their technique is the same and done the same way when they took shodan, they just learned a new kata and a couple extra moves, then they grade 2nd dan. Its like they go up the mountain so far, and just go round and round on the same level. I find these are the ones who will be negative about any thing, and their way is the only way.
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They're already at 2.4k! If the quality keeps up, this could easily become one of my favorite channels.
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Just checking back in! We just crossed 20K, are we your favorite yet? :D
I go by what my mother always said. "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."
Another great episode Mr Dan can't wait for the next one.
Which system is the best? I say it really depends on the practitioner. I train Krav Maga because I believe the techniques are most conducive to street defense and survival. I am not looking to compete in MMA or anything like that.
A punch is a throw. And a block is a turn. Think about it!
Ken Lang, you are absolutely correct and I wish more people realized this.
@@ArtofOneDojo To know the truth in martial arts is a great responsibility that can easily become a burden.
Thanks for the video. I believe that every style is valid. Whether you train for self defense, inner peace, improved physical health or all of the above. Your decision to train for whatever reason is all the validation that you need.
I think that it should also be noted that there are people who earn a black belt in a style and just jump to the conclusion that they're qualified to instruct. They think that what they've been taught alongside of their personal experiences are enough. In some martial arts that's fine. However, in much of today's martial arts; there's strategy in the instruction as well. So, when someone opens up a school and have no understanding behind the curriculum structure... that could lead to students getting themselves (and others) hurt both inside and outside the school.
Teaching martial arts is a very tricky job. Some are great at the business aspect, while others are great teachers of martial arts. Tricky part is finding a school with an instructor/owner with both skill sets. Most unfortunately, have neither! Beware grasshopper. 🦗
William W
you are soooo right about this!!
It's what's common in martial arts that's important. Never mind the differences. All traditional karate and kung fu have common elements. Search for truth and with hard work U will find it.
Two young adults maybe older teens were snooping through windows in my dojo about 2 months ago, trying to talk my students and their parents to leave this dojo and join their dojo, calling us “Fake” and “not legit” A mother of a student reported this to me, the next day. For one it disgusted me, it was disrespectful and not the way to get people to join your dojo! They only look worse and less credible trash talking another dojo for gain. I wasnt personally offended i was just disgusted, a martial artist should never make such actions, if gives Martial arts a bad name. Never saw them again, i was furious but i know what i know.
Politics, lol! I have watched people and dealt with people talking about how their hung gar Kung fu is better because they learned from another teacher. But when I joined in the class. All the basics were exactly the same. The drills were exactly the same. The only difference was the way the instruction and intent was given!! But I have seen many karate schools that were completely different on their teaching of everything. I have also been in the middle of discussions with Kung fu schools that were teaching a version of what they thought was a true style. It’s very upsetting when you let yourself get into that kind of discussion!! There will be no winner only a bad taste of the art!! So beware of letting yourself get into that situation. Just enjoy the art and stay focused on what you want to get from it!!!
I have to say I've been really lucky with not having to deal with the politics in any way during my time training in the martial arts. As Tae Kwon Do has been the martial art I've trained the longest in, I really haven't had to deal with the politics. I've been very lucky to have trained in both Chung Do Kwan/ITF TKD
(The first martial art I trained in) and WTF TKD. My Chung Do Kwan instructor never talked down or talked bad about any martial art. I think that is due to him having trained in another martial art before training mainly in TKD; so that to me makes him open-minded. The instructor at the WTF TKD school was an open-minded instructor as well. he didn't have any ill will to me because I came from an ITF school. Matter-of-fact, one of assistant instructors was one of my university classmates who had trained at one of the ITF in the same town (My ITF school was in a different town) and earned his black belt from there. And to add to that, be sheer coincidence, a former classmate of mine from our old TKD school started training at the WTF school like a month after me.
I've read discussions on online martial arts groups about TKD over the years. And usually the discussions are:
Which is better, ITF or WTF TKD?
Which is the better school of the original 9 Kwans of TKD, which Chung Do Kwan is one
TKD, whether ITF or WTF is all about kicking, so it not a good martial art for self defense
WTF is all about sport, so it's not a good martial art for self defense
TKD is Korean Karate
There are more, but these discussions are like the main basic ones that go on all the time.
Very good presentation, Dan! Having been in the martial arts for so long, I've definitely seen plenty of politics at every level. I have always stayed out of it. Part of that is due to my nature (I stay out of governmental politics also), and partly because I have never felt any gain or investment for me by doing it. I have enjoyed learning my lineage since I never really understood it for a long time.
I just train hard and enjoy the simple pleasures of doing it. If I can give some knowledge to others, I do willingly. If they offer me some, I take willingly.
And that's the way it should be. The martial arts can be challenging enough, no reason for politics to make it more difficult.
Great topic, you described it well & how to approach it.
I just wanted to contribute to the conversation. I know a lot of people think that there is one art to rule them all, when it is really about the individual, and how they have honed their craft, I have beaten black belts, I have wrestled to win fights against lower belts, I have fought many belt levels of many arts, and it always comes down to one thing, me kicking their butt.... no, I am totally kidding, it comes down to the ability the individual has. I personally am not a fan of taekwondo for a fighting style, but I have seen some people who are really good at it, and others that are just ridiculously fit because of it.
Michael DasalYaGet then there is the click klack fam. Negates all black belt “skills”
Thank you so much for these videos. This positive information is so important. Thank you times infinity. Huh no style is more grateful than mine ha ha
I never like debating about what style is “better”, because its in the hands of beholder. I tend to avoid it or i just say, its different for everyone, and theres many branches, and you wont know until you truly study in-depth about the style and curriculum of everything, learning every move in the book and each of their purposes.
Man its about being the best you, and as long and its a positive impact to your character and not becoming a self indulgent ego then theres nothing wrong with what you practice
Remember..in the old time period there is a challenge match against other martial artist. This is either to challenge to the death...or beat the shit out of them.
I'm the kind of person that likes to know about the lineage and history of my art. But where some people see divisions and splits, I see branches of a family tree. The one place where these branches can become a hindrance is in the competitive aspect. Tournaments are usually restricted to a particular branch, which is considered necessary in order to evaluate forms properly, spar within similar rules, etc... I would love to see a solution to this problem. My area has smallish tournaments in ATA TKD, WT TKD (by far the largest tourny), TSD (several different branches), XMA, etc... I think that with the right judges and the right standards for judging, these are all close enough in style to be combined, and wouldn't that be a cool event! Maybe someday.
The other issue I've noticed is that some black belts can become stranded if their federation/association dissolves, unable to progress any further without starting over from scratch in a new system. I would love to see a workable solution to that problem.
In the system I study, we recently cut off almost all of our NZ, Aus and Japan schools due to the Sifu for that part of the world not following our Sigung's teachings. Fully understand
Hi I'm a recent subscriber and I do karate what's your opinion of karate plus really awesome content
I love karate. I love all arts, I think it's really fascinating how many different styles humans have come up with and the different results that can come from that.
What kind of karate?
@@TheJoeToe wado ryu
Bujinkan is debates. Who trained under which shihan, who trained in Japan, who went to Japan the most. Then the Genbukan and Jeninkan. Etc...
Great points and video!! Thank you!!
Another excellent video. This was a really good topic. And you addressed it well. In the future I would like to hear you address the topic of people who claim to have rank that they really don’t. I would be curious to hear your opinions on that. I’m sure you’ve run into guys like that in your journey.
Thank you! I have thought about doing that, the only thing is I don't really want the channel to become another one of those "Defrauding" series that there is already a ton of online. I'm trying to keep the perspective more positive and provide tools and videos that can help people with their training. The intent behind the McDojo video was to help people analyze their own school with their own eyes, instead of me pointing a finger and claiming a particular establishment was a McDojo. My general opinion is...if the school or instructor is teaching anything remotely close to "no touch" or throwing Chi, or mystical energy healing and powers...then steer clear of that school, definitely fraudulent. Defense comes from education, understanding of the human body and reactions, and physical fitness.
I'm practicing Hapkido with three main instructors plus a master grandmaster who come down to visit on occasion. All of whom either have or still train in other forms of martial art.
I'll take their word in saying there is no perfect art. For me i love Hapkido
Greetings...
Very nice. Is Trias on the menu? It sure would put some folks in line in the midwest. Thanks.
Yes he is and the topic is in development :)
@@ArtofOneDojo Thats great. I recently attended a memorial for Ray Cooper, one of the last remaining original circle of John Keehan (Count Dante) students from Chicago 1963. Keehan was from the Trias lot until he went rouge and became the "deadliest man alive" . There has been a rash of 10th dan promotions by an alleged decedent of Keehan. We don't know who it is. If your research takes you down Keehan lane, don't bite your tongue.
Thankfully, kickboxing is all about what works. Doesn't matter if you "do it right" if it doesn't land.
Thank you very much for covering this topic. I started in kenpo as a young teen back in 1983. This was not covered so well back then other than my instructor bringing awareness around politics in kenpo and not wanting to get involved in them to the best of his ability.
Would you be up for writing a book on this topic?
Thank you for the kind words! I do have a couple of book topics in the works, Politics in martial arts is one of them on the drawing board (I have a ton of examples from Kenpo alone).
Question: What about people who take up a martial art, but have a physical disability? If that person can't perform the art should they be allowed to, and should they be allowed to advance in the art?
This is a VERY tough call honestly, and I'm a bit on the fence about it. I think we need to look at it with the viewpoint that the martial arts are supposed to make a person better, so if they are improving themselves to the limit of their capacity, why not let them advance? It's working for them? But there are many aspects to the martial arts so does that qualify them for a black belt? It's a hard question honestly, and we do talk about it a little bit in this video: ua-cam.com/video/vbdkRILjRHM/v-deo.html
@@ArtofOneDojo Thank you for responding. I suppose that the meat of the question is that any martial arts is developed with key beliefs and standards. While I understand that many of them are about self improvement, once a person reaches the limit of what their able to improve, where do you draw the line to cut them off? At what point is the traditions, standards, and reputation of a martial art outweighing the stagnation of self improvement caused by a person's physical limitation?
Oh we've got that in TKD taekwondo WTF ITF ATF this always brings up politics
About the resources thing, i just wanted to say that there are plenty websites with books about martial arts we can use for our research or for combining different moves with our martial arts. For example, I've found Ed Parker's books in one of those sites.
Fantastic video!
The infamous my kungfu is better than your kungfu argument will always be the plague of the martial arts community.no matter what shape it takes. I see it all the time in the Isshinryu karate community. Shimabuku sensei was always refining Isshinryu and you can see that in the first generation students depending upon what year they trained under Shimabuku sensei.even if its something small.When in reality the Isshinryu community is very fortunate to have a so much material left behind by our founder telling us what his expectations were. I.e. low kicks, small stances, natural movements,etc. And when following Shimabuku's guidelines you can tell very quickly that it's isshinryu karate.
I'm really fed up with the, ahem, bo measuring contests between different arts.
You claiming to be a 6 footer or 9 footer?
since when the hell are bo measuring contests a thing?
@@minauran6152 Since I'm using it to suggest dick.
I just became a renegade just to avoid politics. I honestly don't care what people or other so call masters think. I'm happy training with other people who just like to train
My sifu says anybody can start a fight, but one must consider what is to gained and what is to be lost. Similarly, anybody can start an argument about what art is better, what will one gain if one wins the argument. I would question, how do you know you won the argument...
Is Shotokan Karate and Wing chun is a good cross training? Because that's what I'm doing
I definitely can be, Shotokan will be good for sharp techniques and power, and Wing Chun will give a little better technique on the self defense portion. As long as you feel good in both they should mix well enough together.
Having studied in both the Parker and the Tracy systems of kenpo, I must confess I never understood the inherent animosity that seems to permeate, particularly from the Tracy quarters. I don't understand it and I certainly don't like it. Both are perfectly valid styles of kenpo, and in fact don't really seem to be terribly different in content or application, in my opinion. The "Tracy attitude" (please forgive me for that one) really turned me off and eventually caused me to not renew my contract, which is a shame, as the studio was very convenient (right down at the end of my street), with good instructors. I really liked the curriculum but the attitude, especially towards the Parker style and its practitioners, is what killed it for me, sadly.
Kenpo 5. 1 is awesome and the nippon kenpo is also greate
Hisoka Morrow Nippon kenpou? do u mean shorinji kenpou? or kenpou as in kenjutsu?..? j.w^^
@@rudycuyno968 no i mean nippon kenpo, is practice in japan universities. Kenpou? Do you mran kendo.
m.ua-cam.com/video/RqyM94vF710/v-deo.html, this is nippon kenpo
American kenpo 5.0?
I like to stick with facts. You can argue opinions but you can't argue facts without looking foolish.
Reliable sources (note the plural) are important. Although sometimes researching the history of arts can be problematic because insufficient records exist, either through a lack of good record keeping or because records were destroyed during invasions, social upheavals etc.
It's really liking dealing with anything else historical; we need to draw conclusions or make hypotheses based on available evidence. Studying the history of martial arts can often be like looking at incomplete fossil records.
All martial arts are good and deadly.it depends on the students and the instructors.how it's taught and how it's taken in by the students.train well
Sometimes it's not about the organizations founders/legitimacy. Is it going in the direction you believe the art/organization ought to be going. Does it line up with your goals.
To sum this up. Like secular politics in Washington, Christian denominations, so to is the world of Martial arts, debate, debate, debate with lack of unity (at least until Jeet Kwon Do ha ha)
Honestly it all seems based in Hinduism, much like Yoga and Tai Chi. I am very careful in what I choose to practice so as not to channel the pantheon of Gods and anamist spiritual entities within Hinduism that somehow has strong connections to martial arts of many varieties.
I recall when in college I encountered a tae kwon do master who based his style off of Tang Su Do because of a debate on its origin as to the true formula of Korean martial arts. I had to relearn and educate myself but it was a lot of fun during those times.
Hello, did your channel branched out from a previous channel? I noticed some older videos from this page that is different from your newer videos.
The earlier videos were a social media experiment with my instructor a few years ago to test out how a channel would grow with a bunch of short, informational videos. Then our channel sat quiet for a few years and we decided to create this new show to develop a stronger martial arts show that could serve as a better resource. Eventually the others will be archived but for now they are still there because they still develop a lot of traffic for the channel.
The present ITKF split into ITKF and WTKF since 2008 is a good example after Hidetaka Nishiyama's passing
This happens a lot in Jeet Kune Do. Each one of Bruce Lee's students have their own version of what they learned from Bruce himself, causing a lot of "mine is the better version" kind of thing.
Yep, I have actually had Kenpo instructors look me in the face and say "I don't know what everyone else is teaching but *I* Have the REAL version". Sure. Ok. Whatever chief lol. Unfortunately this seems to be everywhere these days.
As Sensei Dan said, it's everywhere, and sadly enough, it's happened twice to me, with vastly different Martial Arts. Apparently, it gets equally horrible with the SEA (Southeast Asian) Arts like PT Kali & Sayoc. But going back to JKD, methinks there is a healthy side to all the different instructors and styles, it ends up creating a healthy melting-pot to evolve the art, just as Bruce Lee intended. Now, if only they would sit down and agree for that to happen...
Hello, just to inform you that I think you made a mistake here, in one part of the video, you showed a photo of Yip Man with a caption of "founder of Wing Chun". He is NOT the founder of Wing Chun. According to legend, a nun named Ng Mui from ancient time founded the art. Yip Man is just one of the most famous Sifu of modern time Wing Chun.
The origin of Wing Chun traces its roots in Fujian White Crane which was founded in Yongchun County, Fujian. Yongchun is the Mandarin pronunciation of Wing Chun. Ip Man’s version of the history could just be a myth someone made up.
Can you make a video about shotokan karate
This is the next art history video coming out :)
It is correct that ip man was not the founder, but don't let that take away from the very important concept he is trying to deliver. I'm tempted to think that this "mistake" was intentional to see if we would take his advice.
Schisms in martial arts are extremely common, and they're often the result of an instructor wanting to branch off, open his/her own school, and avoid having to pay franchise/association fees from their parent organization. I've known many martial arts school owners, and it seems like a very tough business to be involved in, especially because student contracts are a "necessity" in the business. Unfortunately, there is a natural knee-jerk reaction among many consumers to avoid long contracts at all costs, especially when most kids tend to be "fickle" in their interests. Unlike school sports, dojo owner/operators cannot count on a "guaranteed season" in which they will have x number of students training under them. The person who runs a school is in the precarious position of having to "retain students", many of whom will "quit" the moment that their contract expires -- especially if their "second contract" also requires another lengthy stretch of time.
The art I did shoalin karate Kung fu I said this before on another video it’s a blended form of Kenpo from Singapore I was half way through my training then it closed I’ve joined other schools they gave me a lot of criticism for my techniques by Wado ki Ryu karate like axe kick throws sweeps and low kicks they didn’t like me using them it was a big change
Was a Shorin Ryu practitioner since 1994 and became a black belt during the year 2000. 2018 I left because of the politics.
Masters fighting over which style is better. What ticked me off was when I started cross training in Muay Thai.
They started talking trash that muay thai or non Okinawan arts are not humble. Seriously, that is so judgemental.
I left Karate and now train in muay thai.
I respect Karate but some of the people that run it are just too close minded.
I train shotokan karate_do and politics have ruined the art in my opinion too many federations and not enough unity we need one unified curriculum with the freedom to evolve the art I have had to leave a dojo because of politics it is a shame when people preach to you but cannot take there own advice hopefully things will change
Daniel Griffith I trained at a JKA shotokan dojo for a while. And they seemed so narrow minded. I attempted free flow sparring. And the senpai yells at me from the other end of the room “SHOTOKAN ONLY PLEASE!!” When they change one part in a kata in Tokyo it has to change here too. I listened to this one guy who had trained there over 28 years and was a 4th dan explain how he just learned throws could be executed from some blocks in katas. And I was like... WOW. you JUST learned that. (No I didn’t say that out loud). Great form, technique, and power. But they seemed so one dimensional at that particular dojo.
Love the channel. But Yip Man was not the founder of Wing Chun.
Well there are two posibilities. The first is that Yip Man actually was the founder of Wing Chun, and he time travelled backwards to teach who people THINK started the art and then back to his present time, or 2...possibly I reused the text template for Ed Parker that said Founder of Kenpo and forgot to take out the "founder" part when typing Yip Man. It's definitely one of those two options.
Well said on the debate portion. If only Christian churches could do the same like martial artists :)
I think you would be a good English teacher. State you case, give reasons, examples. I want a 5 page essay on the origins of Tang Soo Do on Friday.
I wrote it but....my dog ate it?
Meet me after class
My Dog ate my homework!
Uff I hate politics in martial arts and try to ignore it as much as I can. I get enough of it in my day to day life.
My old shotokan sensei often said to leave it all outside when you step into the dojo.
Would be awesome to debate on the topic of firearms vs martial arts and why most martial artist remain so ignorant on utilizing violence to win situations. Violence is a tool. It be great to debate with you Art of One Dojo
i think the importance is that a student may not want to invest time and effort into a system when their rank cant transfer. what if the student has to move house? may have a hard time finding dojo with same teachings and nomenclature. That's why I would lean on the side of the larger organization, all other things being equal. Please do a video where you rank the organizations by size/popularity! complete kenpo noob here...also wonder what diff is between japanese and american kenpo
I don't know that I can put a popularity list like that together. It's far too many styles and it also changes by region of the world too. American Kenpo is very different than Japanese Kenpo, if you haven't see it yet check out our "History of American Kenpo" that we released a couple weeks ago, I break down a lot of the working pieces of Ed Parker Kenpo.
This happened in Jeet Kun do. Danny Inosanto told Bruce Lee's students that he and Bruce were practicing Filipino Arnis. Many students left Danny because they only wanted Shaolin forms. (I am a student of Grnd Tuhon Leo Gaje jr, Tom Bisio and Tuhon Wm Mcgrath and there is no question of debate--the method, as it is works. No speculations, eg One of Leo Gaje's first students started doing ''performances'' and forgot and lost the art and it's combat applications. He was rejected in writing and no one should work with him
I trained in shorin ryu shorinkhan what do u think of it
I have seen it but I have not trained in it. It's definitely an older more traditional form of Karate, which is cool for it's history but I am not familiar with much else of it.
The difference between belief, truth, and reality. Politics happens because a belief is challenged. If you are seeking the truth you will always assume that you are wrong and there is something to learn. The reality is belief can lead one to develop a deep understanding of a topic that may or may not be universally applicable. That doesn't mean it is completely wrong or invalid it just means it is not universally applicable. Like Pythagoras.....he worshiped the triangle. Gave us this awesome math bur was ultimately deemed a quack because he worshiped the triangle as a universal truth. It was his own student who pointed out his flaw.
These are internal politics, good video, but I was expecting an external politics video and how they can have influence in martial arts. I'm talking about lobby, reputation, citizens and politicians attitude towards it, legislation and that kind of stuff. Would be a great video.
Prohibitions, permissions, antidoping, competition and sports organization laws, incentives, also media coverage and public opinion. Interesting cases are the MMA development, karate in the Olympics, and for something smaller, you can look at the muay thai/thai boxing de-regulation in Rio de Janeiro, where masters degrees (sorry if I don't know how to refere to them in English) are being sold, not earned, and pretty much anyone can make an organization, which led to terrible "adaptations" and distortions of the thailandese martial art.
I wanted to keep this particular video on the topic of the internal fighting and I've seen many people get discouraged in their training because of it. The politics you mentioned is a separate idea altogether, but a good one and I may cover that in a future video. I appreciate the suggestion :)
I'm a new sub and i tzke wing chung under grandmaster cheung andnimsee alot of hate toward him i'll take your advice next time i see it
Bullshit rank is the politics that kills my system.
Someone popping off about how their system is superior or another is crap clearly missed an extremely valuable lesson of MA in general.
I learn Tai Chi.
Yes, there's plenty of politics in Tai Chi.
It can get ugly.
I teach Kodokan Judo. That's Judo with strikes, throws, and grappling. Would I just say Jigoro Kano is my lineage or what? I'm just teaching the way I learned plus what I've found works better. That's okay, right?
By lineage, that generally refers to who you trained under, and who THEY trained under and so on. Kano is the founder, and I wouldn't really say that's your lineage unless you can trace your instructors direct path back to him. Ed Parker started American Kenpo, but I can't say I'm part of his lineage. My original instructor trained from an instructor who learned from Lee Wedlake, who trained with Huk Planas, who trained with Parker. I would say he was from the Wedlake/Planas Lineage. My second instructor trained under Jeff Speakman and HIS style, so he is of Speakman lineage. You can always trace back to the founder if you go back far enough but your "lineage" is really the emphasis and teaching style you came from.
@@ArtofOneDojo Okay, so I've never trained Judo under one person. I've had lots of teachers, some were not competitors, some were nationally ranked. I've trained under Olympic coaches, I've also come to some realizations, myself, while training with less experienced people. This is why I think lineage is just some control bullshido. The best path is to carve your own with the experience of many teachers. I'd argue to find the truth, listen to what many people say and see where they line up. Then test it, in a live way, to see if it works. Then find the best way to do the thing, based on what works and what they taught you. Lineage just sets you up to fail, if your lineage is bullshido.
damn was hoping to see a trial by combat gubernatorial primary
There isn't much politics when it comes to the martial art I train in(Muay Thai). Everyone's too worried about getting sweeped to care XDD But sometimes people do go against some forms of Martial Arts.Shotokan and Okinawan Karate are the most popular to go against.
When do you go for your 6Dann?
No idea, it's really not a set time. There isn't any curriculum to follow for further testing so it's just time and grade into the system. I also don't currently have a Kenpo instructor I train under, so that makes promotion more difficult. Honestly, it doesn't matter, there's no rush at all. I'm currently really enjoying exploring the art on my own :)
@@ArtofOneDojo. Thank you for answering my question. I understand that rank or belt level doesn't matter too much. Your perseverance through the set backs you have had (School closing, Instructors moving away ect.) on your way to leveling up in kenpo is inspiring.
The way has been the same for ages. The beauty of the way is that its simple and easy to tell whose view is the best. No one devotes their life to training to fight to not handle their disagreements as a warrior. In accordance with the way, one calmy and politely challenges one to a "comparison of skills" and if the other agrees, then would ensue a completely productive and educational event for both parties. Idk why this guy didnt say this
Hard to do that when the two "warriors" are across the country or on the computer. A lot of it also doesn't come from active trainers, but sometimes people with affiliation with one art will just bad mouth another with experience. Also not everyone devotes themselves to the martial arts to be a warrior. Some people want to just be able to defend themselves, or maybe exercise or just for health reasons. Debates aren't always settled just because two people decide to fight. The argument isn't always over who is a better fighter either.
@@ArtofOneDojo i agree to a certain extent. For those who did choose the way, can step in and bring awareness to those who struggle with etiquette, and knda got that big fish in a small pond mentality. Warriors that choose the way are not concerned with their own ego, but concerned with the simplicity of the way and helping to keep things simple and honest. But keyboard warriors are of no concern, only those that present themselves like you. All im saying is that you are a nice guy, but there is a way to discipline and help others in the way or just a person who wants self defense training with a ego issue, while showing mercy.....it requires one to show them physically.
@@ArtofOneDojo sorry wasnt expecting for you to reply, amazing videos and information! Ive been binge watching so dont get the wrong idea
What is "The Pure" version of the Art. Conflicting School of Thoughts.
how do i ask a master for a sparing match to see what there martial arts is about and if its right for me without being disrespectful
Honestly, sit in and watching a couple of classes will allow you to get a good idea of what the school is like, or ask to take a few sample classes. Asking to spar the master of the school is definitely a challenge, even if you don't intend it to be so, and is not likely to go over well.
i ive noticed they dont like it much but i dont have time in my training scheduled to waist watching classes and take a few free classes even if the martial art has nothing worth wile to learn or just a variation on what i even know and it allows for the learning experiments of fighting a master off a great martial and possibly learning from a loss by a fighter that is far more skilled then me but i have a problem with them getting angry and talking trash about me after their loss
is there any way to prevent that other than just not doing it
Honestly, what you are doing is pretty disrespectful. Are you challenging them in FRONT of their students or behind closed doors? You can definitely at least get a feel or a taste of a school by watching or trying a class. If you don't have time to try it, then how do you have time to spar them in a challenge? What exactly is your goal, going from school to school asking them to fight?
If you walk into a class, challenge the instructor at beat him, he's going to be angry (whether sour grapes that you made a fool of him or that you disrespected him in front of his school). If you lose, he still wins but then he'll likely have lost some respect for you. Either way, I don't see it being very productive. If you do this, people will continue to be upset, whether it's justified or not. And the fact that seem concerned that they are angry tells me you at least care about the respect, so honestly I would approach it differently. Try or watch a class, most schools offer a free trial of some sort.
Joe Rogan should watch this. Better yet, bring you in his show
I can already smell the trolls
Yes it is serious years ago I was asked to go to a tournament it was all Taekwondo a friend of mine was competing there was one competitor there who was hapkido he was kicking everybody's butt literally in forms and fighting could not score a point to save his life after it was over I went to talk to him he said yes I know about the politics but I just wanted to show him a few things