Apologies for the constant change in lighting (a consequence of recording next to a window during the daytime). And because I know it's coming...no, canola oil is not toxic. Let me know if you'd like a video on this. :)
Unnatural Vegan I would be so interested in some clarification on coconut oil, and any other super food claims, as well as on canola oil! I live surrounded by canola farms and it's in everything. Would be great to know more about it. Loved the video!
Welcome to eat more capitalism of the food industry. Now please leave your credit card, debit card, your 1st born children, the deed to your house, and 2 trillion dollars in the hands of these nice oligarchs. they really do care about you, and not your money.
@@evanpeterjones It's like there is nothing you CAN eat anymore. There is always someone telling you how bad it is for you and then the next person tells you to eat it because it's so healthy. Sometimes I want food pills that replace eating to exist...but then there would be a bunch of conflicting information about how good THOSE are for you too.
I think all vegans and vegetarians are different. I as a vegetarian try not to be the angry stereotype.sometimes I run into some People who eat meat being mean because I don’t. I think there can be extremes on both ends sadly.
If you don't like her making response videos, you don't have to watch them. She makes legitimate criticisms that most vegan UA-camrs don't make, so I think it's important for a channel like hers to exist. What would it mean exactly for her to make "positive" videos about veganism? Would you like to see her make daily vlogs saying how great she feels everyday? I don't think that's her style. Veganism and vegans especially aren't immune to criticism and it's completely legitimate for someone to debunk the pseudoscience that's going around. I like watching these videos because I sometimes do end up believing them when I hear them said by many UA-camrs (a while back I started to cook without oil because of this) and UV sets the record straight by backing up her claims with statements from dieticians and studies, not random articles.
@@kylelundgren5133 Were you trying to say sustainability? What industry does Mic The Vegan 'support'? He promotes a whole food plant based diet, which is about as anti corporate as it gets.
As someone who appreciates the content both Swayze and Mike put out, I find the dialogue between them helpful and thought-provoking. As for the comment section, it's ironic how vegans call Swayze out for criticizing other vegans, being hateful, and harming veganism by not being part of the "unified front," when that's literally exactly what they're doing. Cognitive dissonance much?
Not only should you avoid all fats and salt but you should also eat only when you're facing True North and each mouthful must be chewed exactly 33 times.
Am I the only one who liked the video? It was very informative and answered most questions I had about the use of oil. She was not trasing him, if his facts are not right someone has to point it out. Jeez, he's spreading harmful misinformation and you are all just gonna defent him?
Totally agree! I despair at the attitudes of some of the people in this community. Any attempt at calling out misinformation is accused of being bad for veganism or attacking fellow vegans. In my opinion these discussions are important and lead to better understanding
I don’t know if it’s dangerous for him to suggest you get your fats from whole food plant based sources. He’s not saying fats are bad. He’s saying processed oil, in most cases, isn’t healthy and you can get your fats from avocados, nuts, seeds etc.
Mic. cherry picks and misrepresents studies quite frequently. He is very charismatic, speaks authoritatively, and his videos are well made. But he seriously cherry picks. Maybe he thinks nobody will call him out? A video awhile back, he cited a prostate cancer study that had no controls about comparing diets, yet pulled a single referenced data point as though it were conclusive. He ignores studies that go against his position. He speaks with authority on vastly different subjects. Once you realize some this, its hard to take his videos without a healthy dose of skepticism. I'm glad Unnatural Vegan calls him out. Or anyone else presenting b.s. just to advance their narrative.
"Olive oils tend to lower LDL cholesterol"... Stopped watching once she said that because that statement is very misleading. Studies that show Olive oil lowering LDL cholesterol are studies in which its substituted for butter or some other bad oil. Take an oil-free vegan and add Olive oil and you'll see it raise their LDL, not lower it further. Personally I don't care what vegans are choosing to eat, oil or not, but we should not be demonizing people who just want to eat more whole foods which really isn't that crazy.
THIS! People should understand this point you make before they take her side and think that she is rational and unbiased and that Mic is peddling pseudoscience.
Why you have problem with LDL? Triglycerides are the issue, LDL if it’s not vLDL is good, same as HDL, what turns LDL to vLDL are carbs, that’s the reason why we are smart, because we ate meat all the time, as a spices we are more dummies every day because of plant base diet, give me 1 vegan that invented anything important in this world, 0 right? What do you think why? Mic is only vegan for 8 years and he is unhealthy and less smarter every day, just because of plants, sheep eat plants, so are you sheep of WHO and american capitalism???
My problem with oil is that you only get the fatty acids, you will get so much more from eating whole food fat sources like avocados, nuts, seeds ect. The oil itself loses the vitamins minerals and fiber
That's true, but oils aren't consumed primarily for their nutritional value, even though some oils do contain vitamins like A and E. They're mainly used for cooking. If you're focusing on nutrition, it's certainly better to stick with avocados, nuts, seeds, chia seeds, and flaxseeds.
I just want to thank you for this video. I was genuinely scared of eating oily food and would genuinely experience psychosomatic symptoms after eating them due to all the anti-oil fearmongering going around. Your more balanced, scientific and sober approach to nutrition has really helped me worry less about the foods I eat.
Because people are animals who are wired to seek out calories and dense sources especially. Perhaps it triggers survival mechanisms. After all, oil is the DENSEST source of calories that humans eat.
I may die bacause of a car crash tomorrow maybe. So why would I eat something that I don't like for the health? People are too obsessed with their diet that that call other people as "addicts". Which is not a nice and respectful thing. I eat the thing that i like, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody or anything except me. It is as simple as that. I don't mean to offend anybody except the ones who keep pushing their diet to other people.
I just started watching his video and absolutely had to stop. It makes me so sad that the video has 22,000 likes. Fat won’t make you fat, oil won’t make you fat, Vegans are already pretty restricted and I am so glad that you covered this!❤
I fell into the low fat fad, unfortunately it made me feel awful. Now I gave up, I fry my food if I want to, add olive oil to my salads and I feel much better. I am like my old self again, more energy, I lost weight as I feel more satiated. Low fat might be cool for some, but it's not the only way. I'm tired of vegans preaching of only one way to be vegan, it's awful and not productive.
i was eating nuts and avocados, my calories were actually too high as I was often over eating, so no 'not enough calories' was not the problem. adding oils and not stressing out about them is quite fantastic and my food tastes better, let's be honest
Tbh I find it useful to give up 99% of oil just for weight loss/maintenance reasons because I'm too lazy to weigh/measure & keep track of everything just to maintain healthy a weight. I also avoid most liquid calories outside of my unsweetened plant beverages but most are 250ml/25-50ish calories so it isn't a huge concern for me. But there's no reason to universally demonize by exaggerating their problematic elements beyond what the evidence can support, nevermind fear mongering with entirely unsubstantiated bullshit. I wish there were more vocal vegans fighting back against massive amount of bullshit within the vegan communities. I would have switched from vegetarian to vegan a long time before I actually did had I not been so turned off by what I had associated with the label.
olive oil does not lower ldl ! please get the main point correct before you start a critique. olive oil reduces ldl when it REPLACES an equal amount of butter.
true. she is using the same techniques industrials use to promote their crap. "Oh look olive oil is better than deep fried twinkies at reducing cholesterol!"
As a researcher who actually specialising in this field, your dismissal of the negative health effects of oils especially in T2 diabetics and people at risk of CVD, while not totally misinformed, they are largely unhelpful. Overall people consume far too much refined fat, and whole oil consumption is a major risk factor for CVD and metabolic diseases. there have also been longitudinal studies showing that fat intake is actually a better marker for risk of T2DM diagnosis than sugar intake. We do not need to totally cut added fats from our diet, but the vast majority of people, especially people at risk of disease, would benefit from significantly reducing their intake overall (to approx.
Grumpy Groucho Marxist definitely agree. She ignores or rather skews studies that are anti-oil and encourages people to think it’s ok to consume oils. Much like in her recent video talking about her love for mock meats which often have oils.
Population studies are not very good indicators of anything. It’s better to dive deep into the biological and chemistry side of things and the mechanism within the body to figure things out. Understanding something on a deeper level, automatically gives you knowledge about the surface. Simply looking at the surface and trying to interpolate results is inaccurate.
Random dude plus there’s a difference between heated and cold oils. Blue zones consume cold olive oil on their salads and live as long as a human can. Heated oils are a different beast.
Ever since i gave up oil my acne cleared up, i stopped feeling like utter trash, and lost the pounds ive been wanting to lose forever dont really want to eat it again..
Interested to know exactly how you "felt like shit". I tried to go for a nice walk today with the aim of getting a little jog in too...after 10 minutes walking I felt unemergetic and went home. Last night had a really oily Thai dinner.
There is 0 scientific evidence that finds oil contributes to acne. You probably just have a purity complex over food that produces delusions of improvement when you cut out foods you perceive as impure.
Hun I'm sorry but that's silly! You really think there would be billions of dollars in research into acne treatments if it could be cleared simply by eliminating 1 food - oil? Don't you think everyone would do that? Do you think you're smarter than everyone else? Acne is a highly genetic medical condition within the skin. It's only treatable with antibiotics, anti-inflammatory interventions of various types, and Vitamin A, i.e., tretinoin/ Accutane. If your problem was topical acne like clogged pores caused from you wiping comedogenic oil all over your face while eating that oil, then sure, maybe stopping that behavior would clear your skin. But that's literally the only way. When physicians hear stories like this from patients, we just smile and nod at you, but we'll never agree. Patients who think your diet will heal all your health problems aren't likely to stick to veganism or any diet. The first time you get sick or have a pimple, you'll be on to the next fitness or diet craze. I bet you'll be carnivore within a few years. XD
@Random dude It's not that simple. I agree with you that if a person has food allergies then he/ she should not consume that food. But that's NOT ACNE. You really think there would be billions of dollars in research into acne treatments if it could be cleared simply by eliminating a certain food? No. Acne is a highly genetic medical condition within the skin. It's only treatable with antibiotics, anti-inflammatory interventions of various types, and Vitamin A, i.e., tretinoin/ Accutane. If your problem was topical acne like clogged pores caused from you wiping comedogenic oil all over your face while eating that oil, then sure, maybe stopping that behavior would clear your skin. But again, that's not the cystic acne that most people consider most damaging and which creates scars that can last a lifetime
Skin is naturally oily because body oils are A.) not the same as dietary oils in any way B.) Protective of skin and other bodily functions C.) Increases in acne is genetic and hormonal caused as hormones and genes control how much oil your body produces. That's why people with high testosterone (biological men and trans men on hrt) often have more acne than biological women or trans women on estrogen. Estrogen (low hormonal birth control) is often prescribed as a treatment for severe acne. 4.) As humans get older and finish puberty (around 16-22 in some rare cases) acne usually lessens due to a normal decrease of testosterone as the body no longer grows.
I think some of the "water sauté" style of cooking some vegans put on the internet, particularly when it comes to stuff like onions, zukkini or tofu, works as a repellent against people who demand that food looks and tastes good.
Gosh, I used to be one of those people afraid of oils and I was telling myself it's just as tasty. No it's not. It doesn't need to be drenched in oil but fat in a sauce or stir fry brings out flavour compounds that adding water or starch just doesn't. (Plus, I'm actually at a healthy weight now compared to when I was doing low fat and my skin thanks me too. A lot less dry!)
@James Parker There is huge differenc between a curry where you cook down onions in oil, and toast the spices in oil first, then add to the curry versus a curry where the spices have been steamed in the stew, and the onions never browned.
An excellent video. Clearly you touched on a nerve with the anti-oil fanatics. But, I guess every group has its extremists. My favorite comments are "how dare you trash other fellow vegans with your fancy facts and sciency stuff, you are hurting the cause man!" Its comedy gold.
I know this is a late comment but health science isn’t a perfect science, there’s studies that will show either side of any health argument is healthy so it’s a rly subjective science imo. While there’s some things that are known bad for you things like oils are a subjective argument
@@Asf-bj4rw having evidence supporting opposing claims doesn't make things subjective. generally all you have to do to rule out one claim over another, is to compare the dates the studies were published. recent studies generally debunk misconceptions. as for deciding whom to follow: it shouldn't somone who's deliberately deceiving like mic. or anyone who's been repeating the same words for the past 10 years (shuga, shuga, shuga) like freelee.
@@Asf-bj4rw Genetics is usually (indirectly) taken studies into account by having a large number of tested subjects. Even if the results of a study only give an overview of a problem, they're still valid. The problem here is that Mic read ONE Study with results that both supported his view and that did not. I would get it if he presented a study that agreed with his view and he didn't bother to look for one that supported the opposing view. But this is not the case. All the results were in the same study, he could have presented them. Then, he could have admitted that he was wrong, but he chose to make this video. He's not humble at all.
I was introduced to Mic's video when I was trying to move from vegetarianism to veganism and definitely went down a rabbit hole of his videos and was worried about being paranoid about everything and wondered how accurate things were even represented. I love your level headed perspectives.
thanks. this is a big help to me i am a new transitioning vegan. and yeah i am feeling a bit overwhelmed at times. but just seeing different points of view is helping me to learn who i want to be in this part of my journey. (: thanks 🙏
Just listening to Swayze talk is sorta relaxing. I don't know why people find response videos to be so innately viscous. She's literally sitting in a chair explaining why she thinks what she thinks. She and Mic are literally the only two vegans I don't find obnoxious. I enjoy hearing what both have to say. And these responses to each other are insightful. I don't know why people feel the need to dislike one of the other. This retarded tribalism needs to stop, lmfao.
I usually side with Mic on most of these videos but you’re spot on in this one. It depends on the oil; they are not all made equally. It’s important to make sure that coconut oil is raw and cold-pressed otherwise the very healthy medium-chain triglycerides will turn to trans fats. Very different. Olive oil is also fantastic for you as long as it’s not heated.
Too bad. Practically all the olive oil sold in the US has been heated to deodorise it because the typical American doesn't like the "strong" smell of cold-pressed raw olive oil.
@@pierrolosapio1042 There's little real evidence that olive oil in moderate amounts (20-25 percent of calories, for instance) is harmful to health. In fact there's more evidence that it is anti-inflammatory and beneficial, than harmful.
What needs to be understood is that constriction of blood vessels under a fat load (regardless of the type of fat) is the normal physiological function. What also needs to be understood is that eating heavy carbs whether whole food starches, or sugar opens the blood vessels in comparison to the unfed state. Is this a good thing? Well, it depends on how you look at things. The reason why it's good is because the body is in a desperate attempt to control blood sugar to a maximum concentration in the blood because high levels are toxic. On the other hand fats are not toxic and the body can take its time in sucking up the fat into the cells for fuel and storage. So, you can spin either story in such a way that it fits your particular narrative.
I love how in his video (Dr. Gil Carvalho, M.D., Ph.D. of NutritionMadeSimple) shows that science says that olive oil is good, but still refuses to say that its good for you because of no doubt personal preference and/or beliefs. He does explain, however, the endothelial function issue. Both after olive oil consumption and after exercise, the endothelial function gets temporarily worse; however, it gets better overall.
Love this video keep the work going, is your right to make us aware of people giving us wrong info, #MicTheVegan sometimes just chooses what he wants us to see, I've realized that a while back.....
@@absolutezeromusicofficial to answer something like that, you should be able to use your critical thinking to know how fat gets metabolized, otherwise you should be thinking you're making things up.
I like videos like this because it challenges sides to argue for their specific claims. However, at 9:45 you say "he might have included this much more recent 2017 study". Yet Mic's oil video which you refer to was uploaded on May 25th 2016. How could he have included a 2017. Feb 1st study?
Mala Fortuna Who knows, maybe it was an honest mistake? Just like she left that option for Mic, saying he may have been blindly following (biased) doctors. Just a thought =)
I saw Dr. Esselstyn speak here in Calgary a few months ago, and Mic is clearly highly influenced by the rhetoric of Esselstyn et al. And while I do know people irl who wouldn't be alive if not for a WFPB diet, the anti-oil advocates tend to go too far, imho. I enjoyed your point on safflower oil around 4:58. Overall, I completely agree that there is a danger in promoting the idea of a "single perfect vegan diet" before we even actually know what it might be. I DO think that for people who have a history of obesity, etc., a whole foods diet works very well, and I'd like to see plant based health advocates focusing on that aspect, rather than selling a silver bullet.
Canola oil is generally highly chemically refined. But cold pressed extra virgin olive oil is not refined at all. Keep in mind that not all olive oil is created equally. When purchasing real extra virgin olive oil it is best to purchase it through an olive oil speciality store. If you must attempt to purchase extra virgin olive oil at the grocery store, look for the following markers In order to assure that you are purchasing olive oil that is fresh pressed and non refined... 1. Look for a dark colored bottle 2. Look on the back for a harvest date ( not expiration date) 3. Look for the name of the harvest location. A fairly good grocery store olive oil comes from California and is sold under the label “California Olive Ranch”. I’ve actually been to their harvest and they run a very clean operation. Their standard olive oil is mild enough to bake with as well.
Unnatural Vegan and Mic! The Vegan are both nice people who use science to try to inform people about healthy eating, but they disagreed sharply here about oil, so who’s right? I’m going to suggest that the best evidence suggests that they both are both right and both wrong in certain ways in this debate. UV is correct in pointing out that MTV oversimplified the research or didn’t tell the whole story from individual studies on oil’s effect, making it seem like those studies show that all oils always harms us. She’s right that those studies don’t show that about oils in general, indeed some report no harm for specific oils-at least for the outcome variables studied (flow-mediated dilation). Thus, we might say that the overall gist of MTV’s Oil video makes an unfair/unreasonable blanket case against oils without adequate supporting evidence. That doesn’t mean his conclusion is necessarily wrong, only that the evidence he presented wasn’t enough to prove it. However, UV’s video can also be reasonably judged as making a too-strong defense of eating oils and fats. Now I think it’s possible that the two are using slightly different standards for what “healthy” means: MTV clearly wants a diet that doesn’t promote the build-up of plaque in your arteries (and reverses existing plaque build-up) while cutting your risk of a major CVD event to zero or virtually zero. It’s not clear to me that UV is after that, but I haven’t seen as many of her videos. OK, what were the problems with UV’s case here? At the 2:05 mark, she puts up a quote from a Harvard source and uses it as authoritative evidence. Not so fast: I live near the Cleveland Clinic and our doctors are all there, and although the Clinic may have been the #1 Heart hospital in America (the world?) for 21 years running, you can find Cleveland Clinic doctors (and handouts) that tell you to eat an 80-10-10 Esselstyn-like diet with NO OIL, and you can find doctors there (Mark Hyman) telling you to eat a high-fat diet chock full of “healthy fats.” Thus, handouts or pronouncements from Harvard or the Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic no longer solve anything. But let’s dissect where this Harvard handout takes us. The first point suggests that eating foods rich in polyunsaturated fat will reduce the risk of heart disease and insulin resistance, but the more powerful evidence suggests that those two conditions can be best served by cutting our fat consumption dramatically-while also choosing healthier fats when we do eat fat. The problem with this Harvard handout and most all nutrition research is that is tells us what marginal benefits can be obtained by marginal changes in diet in the context of a super unhealthy population that suffers from multiple chronic diseases and eats a super unhealthy diet. Yes, if you’re just going to tinker around the edges, then by all means do replace some saturated animal fat with polyunsaturated plant fat: However, if you have more ambitious health goals in mind, your advice handouts are going to start by telling people that most people should probably cut their fat consumption in half or by two-thirds. Neither population or experimental studies suggest that there’s any way to have healthy arteries (without plaque buildup) or avoid major CVD events with any diet with 25-60% calories from fat. Given that, both the handout (last sentence) and UV’s video err in nudging us to remember that our bodies need fat: Yes, our bodies DO need some healthy fats to survive, BUT THEY DON’T NEED MUCH FAT, since the post-WWII Okinawans, the second longest-lived population, only got 6% of their calories from fat, and the intervention diets that have had the most life-changing benefits were only ~8-12% calories from fat.
Then the Harvard handout tells us that replacing saturated fat with refined carbohydrates will not reduce heart disease risk. False-choice-strawman alert! We could instead replace saturated fat with whole food carbohydrates-and doing so has yielded excellent results, so UV can’t use false choice arguments such as this as an argument for eating fat in general or oils in particular. The second point that Harvard handout makes (at 2:05) looks like a sentence written by a PR firm for the oil producers-the sentence is cleverly structured to get us to accept the claim that oils are good for us by getting us to unconsciously conflate the health effects of nuts with those of oils. Not so fast: Nuts are natural whole foods, but oils are processed foods, mostly highly processed foods, and for example, in the PREDIMED study, the group eating a Mediterranean Diet with nuts saw their arterial plaques get smaller while those eating a Mediterranean diet with extra virgin olive oil saw their largest plaques get bigger-so much bigger it would have probably been a statistically significant different had the study run another 6-12 months. Given that the study was funded by the Spanish government (Spain is the #1 exporter of olive oil) and the olive oil and nut industries, that would have made for a very awkward headline: “Mediterranean Diet with Extra Virgin Olive Oil Makes Worst Arterial Plaques Much Worse in Just a Few Years.” UV helpfully points out some things that MTV left out, but makes a few of her own missteps. First, she pooh-poohs the finding that certain oils in certain studies have been found to stiffen the arteries for hours after a meal, suggesting that this is just a theory that this is harmful or promotes CVD. Gosh, I’d like my arteries to be able to expand normally at all times, and if they can’t, well that raises your blood pressure any time you get stressed or exert yourself during the hours after that meal (from maybe 1:00 pm to midnight if you’re eating a lunch and dinner with oils that have this effect on your arteries). And high blood pressure IS a contributing cause of atherosclerosis and has been identified as a leading risk factor for premature death, so this isn’t something that people who want to be really healthy are likely to just brush off. Furthermore, while UV is correct that the Vogel study only found the artery-stiffening effect for olive oil, more recent research (e.g., Rueda-Clausen et al., 2007) have shown this artery-stiffening effect for olive oil, AND palm oil, AND soybean oil, when used with healthy young subjects (hint hint, the population they used is key). So, what about the studies UV cited where olive oil or other oils had no harmful effect or even seemed to have a beneficial effect? Here’s where it gets more complicated, and we have to remember the big picture. Remember that nutrition researchers today are usually studying the effects of modest nutritional changes on the biomarkers and health outcomes of a very unhealthy population eating a very unhealthy diet, and these studies are often funded by food industries trying to make their foods look good. So yes, you can probably stack studies from here to the moon showing that replacing saturated animal fat with olive oil in patients with profoundly elevated LDL and triglycerides doesn’t hurt flow-mediated dilation, LDL, or plaque build-up (or even yields slightly better results) but who cares? That doesn’t tell us that oils are healthy-it just tells us that substituting oils for other fats leaves you just as unhealthy, or a little less unhealthy than with the SAD diet. However, since we live in a society where the SAD diet is taken to be normal, foods and diets that are merely a little less unhealthy are routinely but bizarrely labeled as “healthy.”
Whatever label is used, you’re still stuck with very poor health outcomes, so the real comparison is whether ADDING oils to the diet of truly healthy young people with excellent biomarkers worsens their outcomes, and in the study above, all three oils worsened flow-mediated dilation for healthy young subjects. Furthermore, both in green monkey studies and in human studies (Blankenhorn, I believe) even when olive oil didn’t impair flow-mediated dilation, it resulted in just as much additional plaque build-up after a year as did saturated fat. We want a diet where plaque STOPS building up in our arteries, and where the existing plaques starts SHRINKING in thickness, and where major CVD events stop happening. So, what kind of diet yields those kinds of results? In both population studies and experimental trials, the only existence proofs we have of lack of such CVD problems came when the population/patients were eating lots of whole plant foods, ate little to no animal foods, ate very low levels of total fat (by American standards), and ate no added oils. Esselstyn is the only person on earth who has run two long-term trials on people with serious heart disease and changed their diet and gotten zero resulting heart attacks, and he has insisted upon no oils in his approach. Now it’s possible that with a super healthy WFPB diet you can get LDL below 70 with occasional added oil, and see no progression of atherosclerosis, and have zero CVD events. However, until that research appears, I’m trying to avoid oil altogether, and I believe that MTV (despite cutting some corners in his argument) is probably right that any regular oil consumption raises the risk of CVD, all the diseases related to CVD, and premature death. And there’s a last concern. Having recently discovered Cronometer, I discovered that my daily fat consumption was higher than I had thought/hoped (~15%), and that was only with 1/3 cup of nuts a day and mostly whole plant foods. If I added just 1 tablespoon of oil to that daily intake, I’m quickly north of 20% calories from fat. And why is that a problem? First, the only diets shown to have truly dramatic life-changing benefits such as Esselstyn’s work are diets around 8-12% calories from fat. Second, an interesting study from Monell Lab showed that at 20% calories from fat, people maintained their cravings for/addiction to fat, but at 15% calories from fat, those cravings went away, so people could easily resist fatty foods. That’s a major tipping point, and for people trying to eat a truly low fat diet, including just 1 TB of oil daily may take us over the tipping point where fat cravings re-emerge, and we derail from our previous healthy eating approach. And adding 2-3 TB daily of oils daily means we’re once again eating a medium high fat diet.
@@karlwheatley1244 But what does that mean for the blue zones where for example olive oil is used for cooking? Are their health outcomes/longevity that much worse than blue zones where little to no fat is consumed? Ik this is 2 years old but it seems to me that if the consequences of oil is minimal enough in the long run that you can still get an extremely long lived population out of it, then I shouldn't care considering how much worse food tastes without oil. And it does taste much worse, I tried low fat WFPB recipes for a month. The main thing I learned from that experience is that a little oil goes a hell of a long way for palatability. Plus as you said, trying to get below 20% calories from fat means that you basically can't eat any fat at all which means a pretty restrictive diet/lifestyle.
@@chloro8306 Thanks for the reply. We don't really have tons of research to answer a question that specific, but if you were eating truly whole food plant-based and were quite active, a little EVOO may may only a slight difference. But what you see in the PREDIMED study with a more typical western population is people eating the mediterranean diet with a far bit of daily extra virgin olive oil saw their thickest arterial plaques get quite a bit thicker, and it looks like that trend would have reached statistical significance at the .05 level in about 6 more months (3 years total on the diet). Now this wasn't this healthiest really whole food diet, but it is noteworthy that the plaques got thinner for people in the walnut group. The interesting thing about getting to lower levels of fat is then your fat cravings go away and your tastebuds "downregulate" so what you might have experienced as weaker tastes when eating a richer diet then become more pronounced. For the moment, the only longer-term evidence we have of really beating heart disease longer term is from diets with around 8-12% calories from fat. You can go to spices instead of fat to improve the taste but I take your point. Take care.
@@karlwheatley1244 I did not have that experience with craving less fat when I ate less of it. With every low fat recipe I tried for a month I became more and more aware that fat is pretty much a necessity to cook well, and I always use plenty of spices. But idk, I was never below 20% due to eating oatmeal every day. Which is what I mean by extremely restrictive. If I ran twice as much as I do now I could get more calories overall and then the fat in things like oatmeal wouldn't be a big deal, but I don't want to spend that much of my free time running. If we lived in communes where we didn't have to do redundant work to make a living, it would be more feasible.
I really enjoy your channel because you come to every situation with a level head and lots of evidence. I feel as if the vegan community, especially on the internet, has a dark side when it comes to hopping on trends as long as it pushes a vegan agenda (I’ve fallen victim to this in the past) and you are not that kind of person which I really enjoy. I have been eating vegan for four years and I really like your approach to all of the topics you tackle. Thank you for being a reliable person😂
I use olives in my dishes like rice and beans with vegetables. The taste is pretty close to using olive oil. Opting for the whole food is always better.
I'm just here six years later to compliment the thumbnail ;-) I think maybe Mic has matured a little bit over the last 6 years, but as long as I have watched your videos you have come across as sensible and responsible.
My one overall question in general is, "What do you think of the Esselstyn studies and anecdoctal information that an overwhelming percentage of his cardiac diseased patients have reversed their heart disease and managed to live well beyond expected life span under his no oil diet?" I don't really find what you bring up to contradict Mic The Vegan to be convincing. I think you use semantics to be argumentative rather than making a real point.
As all way coming to the rescued so much needed in this era of disinformation. Thank you for being a light in this pathway in our journey to a better nutritional lifestyles.🐦🐧🐔🐤🐦🐔🐧
You don't have to give up hummus because of oil! All you have to do when making some is leaving off the olive oil. That's how I always make it and I love it.
UA-cam from June 13, 2020 : Dr. Chris Knobbe-Diseases of ciivilization : Are seed oil excesses the unifying mechanism ? ( Dr. Chris is not promoting a vegan diet but presents an excellent presentation on the wide ranging and extremely damaging effects of omega 6 found in seed oils.)
Unnatural Vegan, In your complaints about Mic the Vegan's oil video you take issue with the fact that he did not mention the third oil in the Butter, Coconut oil, Safflower oil study. I think with a little effort on your part you will understand that he did not quote the safflower oil results of the study because he was not discussing safflower oil he was discussing Coconut oil, and the fact that consumption of Coconut oil raised LDL cholesterol. Your opinion that he should have acknowledged that Safflower oil did not raise LDL is irrelevant. As a Polyunsaturated oil it would not be expected to raise LDL and the resulting LDL of 350 is not significantly different than the baseline level of 357. In fact Safflower oil is not even mentioned in the study conclusion because the results were not relevant to the studies findings Which are that Coconut Oil raises LDL just a few points less than butter. This is exactly the point that Mic the Vegan was trying to make. Had he been talking about safflower oil and omitted this reference you would be correct to bring this up, but since he wasn't and he made the factual point he was trying to, your efforts discredit him on this study do not have any validity.
Vegan4Health that would be true except that his overarching thesis is that all oil is bad. He doesn't differentiate between saturated and polyunsaturated fats in his overall argument, even though the information is at his fingertips. That may not have been his specific point in that moment, but it was relevant to his overall theme, yet he omitted it. An honest discussion of the studies he cites should include information he accesses which contradicts his overall claim. That's her point.
The Safflower oil information does not contradict his overall claim. It has nothing to do the Coconut Oil results he quoted. Safflower oil is not a health food either. The fact that it does not raise cholesterol, does not negate the other unhealthy qualities it has. Whether it is by paralyzing arterial function or as a high omega 6 oil, throwing of the natural omega balance.
Ingwstx, "that would be true except that his overarching thesis is that all oil is bad" What makes you think that all oils are not bad? I would suggest to you, that eating the most calorie dense food at 9 calories per gram, which has virtually no nutritional value. A food that raises cholesterol, clogs your arteries, paralyzes your arteries, throws off your omega fatty acid balance, makes you fat and causes diabetes, is not a good food to eat if you value your health.
You're making a video calling somebody a cherry-picker, but the Harvard study you showed on the screen recommended fish as number 1 for brain health, and you cherry picked from that, saying "well, you don't need fish, just eat nuts," implying to your viewers that nuts have equal omega density and effect as fish (which they don't). So Harvard is wrong? The cherry-picker calling the cherry-picker a cherry-picker!
Nikocado Avocado You're the last person on Earth to be questioning anyone's credibility. Stick to your videos where you obtain superior nutrition from Pizza Hut and McDonalds.
By the way, I'm totally against the "fat is evil" propaganda and support your efforts to challenge it; I believe omega deficiency is why there are so many mental unstable vegans running around UA-cam (I was one). But since you continually refer to "scientific consensus," fish is the answer for brain omega health, not canola oil.
Do you know how many mentally unstable carnivores/omnivores there are, including you? You're a fucking joke, just stop. Veganism clearly had nothing to do with your ongoing mental instability.
You said that nuts just have a tiny bit more of nutrients compared to oil. That's totally false. Maybe when criticising bias you should start by your own videos.
Wow, I'm always impressed with your investigative and analytical take, good sleuthing, I wouldn't have the patience. I actually cut out oils, not because of any of the stuff that Mic stated, but because of the stuff that Dr Paul Mason (a keto guy!) goes on about showing that it's the rapid oxidation and unstable bonds (especially when heated, but also just as soon as they are processed, in contact with air and light) of oils that results in high aldehydes, which are inflammatory. I think he also says something about the gut lining, but that could have just been to do with emulsifiers.. Anyway it was a good way to get me off convenience foods and eating more whole foods and plants, so even if it's not true, it was a good decision for me. I'm not militant about it, just try to not have oil at home. I still have lots of fresh sources of fats, and even (gasp) a few saturated fats occasionally because of the way they can weirdly help the liver by promoting bile (apparently), and are meant to be neuroprotective. But granted, I haven't read all the studies or done the level of sleuthing that you do! So it would be really interesting if you felt like tackling this topic of rancidity, oxidation and aldehydes etc. Well.. I'd be interested :D As you're rapidly becoming my go-to for checking out certain topics due to your diligence and transparency. Just on a totally anecdotal observation, I have noticed that eating sunflower seeds straight from the shell when you crack them yourself seems to taste better (to me at least) than eating them when they've been exposed to air for a while.. so perhaps there's something in this oxidation theory? Fresh stuff does generally tends to be healthier ? I think you have an amazing brain for wading through the research. I'm pretty blown away by your skills and ability to see through obfuscation. Great stuff.
I literally got so sick on a low fat high carb diet! I’m still trying to recover my hormones. It makes me so mad that I messed up my body. But how would I have known I thought these doctors knew everything.
9:06 lipemia -> sludge blood That was hilarious! Brilliant editing. Great use of sarcasm. I watched that about 3 times laughing pretty hard each time. Thank you for that. Just to be clear, I value both your channel and Mic the Vegan's channel.
I gave up cooking with oil recently and now eat minute amounts of oil very rarely and I lost 5Kg in about 2 months. I was overweight and am now at a normal BMI and still leaning out. Our bodies just don't need oil and its easy to overdo it with cooking so honestly best just to cut it out. I guess different things work for different people but I've found an oil free diet beneficial for weight loss and I'm never going back.
Several thoughts on the last few videos I've seen of yours. 1. Tried chia pudding. Oh yeah it really is like slurping on a lougie. (Sp?) We gagged and tossed it. So right there with you on that one. 2. I like a reasonable approach and yes we live in a rural area (as does Mic I will admit) but in our area the fancier vegan foods are just not available without significant travel and expense. I like all the vegan utubers that are more forgiving and allow you to ease into a lifelong lifestyle instead of a fad binge. 3. I really am a big fan of BOTH you and Mic and I would love to see you two collaborate on a few shows. Both of you would actually do well with that. Really. Please consider it. Both your perspectives would actually be quite complimentary. I hope this reaches you somehow. Keep up the good work it really helps us!
Anytime I eat something high in processed oil, my skin gets greasy and I get acne breakouts. Weird since most acne research points to Glycemic Load and IGF1 . Although, since IGF1 is part of a MTOR signalling pathway (same as insulin but different pathway) it might very well be that processed oil impair insulin sensitivity and leads to my breakouts. Anecdotal sure but my skin is at the very least telling me processed oil are no good (whole food fat sources are fine, love dem cashews!)
Whenever in the past that I've gone low or no fat vegan, I've felt depressed. When I add some nuts, some virgin olive oil, I don't feel those negative effects. I also sleep better.
Hi UV; I very much like your calm measured approach to health and the vegan diet. BUT in the study you showed re the change in LDL using Safflowe oil, the LDL went down by only a small amount. The value of 3.5 for LDL translates to 135 mg/dl (the units used in the USA). This is a VERY high number. For good health we should have a LDL level UNDER 70.
My crazy all over red itchy skin rash went away when I went whole food vegan. When I decided the no oil thing was nonsense, as UV proposes, and began eating it again, the rash started popping up again. Yes, it's a nature fallacy, we don't have enough proof YET, but you gotta admit it makes sense. Extracting sugar from a plant has negative health consequences, so does extracting the fat from a plant. In the end, my body is all the proof I need 🤷
Thank you so much for these videos. I'm a huge fan of mic. The vegan but he really has scared me into his way of eating, and feeling guilty for using oil. I cut it down anyway, but I feel much calmer now knowing that using some oil to fry off my spices before I cook isn't going to mean the end of the world!
Thank you for debunking the pseudoscience and nonsensical ideas often promoted by the vegan community. As a new vegan I fell prey to the low-fat, no oil fad, just about put my health in jeopardy, and felt guilty adding it back into my diet. Thankfully I came across this channel and the rational people within the community.
Disrespectful Insolence... You really have something against pseudoscience and conspiracy theories. You just keep saying those words over and over again. Like how my grandpa always was going on about Commies and thought everyone was a communist. Do you think that the World Health Organization and the American Cardiac Association are peddling pseudoscience and are a conspiracy? Do you think that Mic's sources he cites for his argument against refined oil are discredited?
I read an article where they took people with the same overall fat composition. They were tested for intramayocellular fats. Those with higher fat composition in muscles and liver had a higher rate of insulin resistance. I saw another that showed athletes who ate high fat meals. Their intramayocellular lipid levels spiked for the next day.
I can't tell if she is just a shill for the food industry or just not that smart. She seems fairly intelligent, so I am leaning toward shill, or troll if you prefer as most of her videos are trolling other vegans. What bothers me about people like Unnatural Vegan is she just tries to muddy the waters and it keeps people from making any change at all. I have a childhood friend dying from cancer, I recommended he go vegan to help in his fight, but he responded that he can find studies that shows anything and everything causes cancer. He even told me he saw a story where tomatoes caused cancer. Look, Mic is right, of course Dr. McDougall said it first, but it makes sense that our bodies were not designed to handle processed carbs or processed fat. And contrary to what Unnatural Vegan has claimed in the past, it is very hard for carbs to make you fat. However, fat you eat is very easily turned into fat in your body. What's sad is after she tries to slam what Mic said, she admits that it may very well be true, we simply "don't know".......what a joke
exaltedfox there's a third option. She's a vegan for ethical reasons, not for health reasons, and she acknowledges (as do all credible vegan nutrition experts) the reality that a vegan diet is not inherently healthier purely for its veganness, and there is no one size fits all vegan diet. Veganism is not a diet. If you don't understand that then it's no wonder you're confused by her mission. Veganism is about reducing harm to animals. She is quite consistent in advocating for vegan choices. I challenge you to find a video wherein she says it doesn't matter if you're vegan or you shouldn't bother to be vegan. I've watched all of her videos and that's not there. Instead she encourages people not to buy into the fad diets which do not, in the long run, promote sustainable veganism. If it's a diet, then you'll give up if it doesn't yield the expected results. If it's an ethical standpoint, you'll stick with it even when it's hard. Believing in nonsense is a formula for giving up in disappointment. That's what she's about - helping people not get caught up in the nonsense, but learn how to be vegan anyway, in whatever way works for them personally.
You are right that veganism isn't a diet and I will never be a vegan because I don't believe it is morally wrong to eat an animal. I believe it is in our best interest to not eat animals, but I don't believe it's equivalent to killing a human. However, I am against factory farming because that is beyond what any rational person would call an acceptable farming practice. If animals were raised for food in a humane way it would result in people eating very little meat because it would be too expensive. My problem with Unnatural Vegan is her hypocrisy. She slams on others for "cherry picking" studies and then turns around and cherry picks studies to try to prove her point. There is a huge misinformation campaign at play. The meat and dairy industry pay for lots of studies to show their products are "healthy" or even necessary for optimal health. It is complete nonsense. I agree that a "vegan" diet does not mean a healthy diet as lots of vegan foods are processed junk. A whole food plant based diet is what we were designed to eat, it is very obvious by our anatomy and how our bodies react internally when we consume meat. Dr. Greger has pointed out that it is scientifically proven that every time we eat meat it causes an inflammation response in our bodies. And I don't believe it furthers the cause by having people simply be "vegan" if it still costs them their health, and eating lots of vegetable oil will kill just as easily as eating lard.
exaltedfox that's stupid dude maybe I shouldn't beat my dog but I will any way. BC I don't find it morally wrong for some fucked reason cause fuck animals!?
"However, fat you eat is very easily turned into fat in your body." Wow, You clearly don't know what You're talking about. First, read what's lipogenesis. Here's short summary: *Lipogenesis* is the process by which acetyl-CoA is converted to fatty acids. The former is an intermediate stage in metabolism of simple *sugars* , such as glucose, a source of energy of living organisms. Then try to learn basics of physiology. You're making idiot out of Yourself spreading this kind of stupid claims. This maybe convice ignorant like You but people who have basic knowledge will look at the community You represent as a bunch of stupid, crazy people. I wonder, why people so often writing about things They have completely no clue about? Go back to school.
Olive oil is not exactly a health food, most of the sciense that claims so are about comparing it to animal saturated fats. Olive oil, like all oils will harden your veins. It's all about the too fast absorption rate of processed foods. And overconsumption of omega6 (soy has lots of it) is known to cause inflammation. Polyunsaturated fats are highly unstable, and oxidizes easily. So they are costly for your body. You do need certain amount, but trough oils you will gets lots and fast.
+NatuHealth: That's because olive oil replaced worse options. Just because there are worse foods than olive oil doesn't mean olive oil is a health food. "In 2003, when the Mediterranean diet was becoming popular, Dr. Alice Lichtenstein, one of the nation’s top nutrition scientists who is the senior scientist and director of the Cardiovascular Nutrition Laboratory at Tufts University, cautioned Americans:" "If the main message that Americans get is to just increase their olive or canola oil consumption that’s unfortunate because they will increase their caloric intake and they are already getting too many calories. What they need to do is eat more fruits, vegetables, and legumes and fewer foods rich In saturated fats" "Olive oil, like all oils, is the most calorie dense food there is. One tablespoon is 120 calories. Like any dietary oil, it is 100% pure fat and has no fiber, protein, or minerals and has virtually no vitamins except for a small amount of vitamins E and K." "In regard to the types of fat, olive oil is 14% saturated fat, which makes it ineligible to meet the industry standard to be considered a food low in saturated fat. (Remember, the goal is to keep our intake of saturated fat to less than 7% of total calories). Two tablespoons of olive oil actually have 3x the amount of saturated fat as a 3.5 oz serving of lean chicken."
Of course olive oil is bad if you exceed your calorie needs and get fat, what is that supposed to prove? If you're eating so much fruit that you get fat, that's unhealthy. Should we avoid fruits now? No one ist saying that you can just add olive oil to a shitty diet and become healthy or that anyone should do that. Saying that shouldn't be "the main message" or that people don't understand the recommendations is miles away from saying one should completely avoid olive oil and that it is unhealthy. If 49% of your calories come from fat and if you exclusively consume fat from olive oil in your diet, you'd still be below 7% saturated fat. See how ridicules that sounds? And NOBODY is recommending that, you can use olive oil normaly and stay far below 7% saturated fat intake.
"No one ist saying that you can just add olive oil to a shitty diet and become healthy" This is pretty much how people understand olive oil consumption, that it's actually health promoting. But it really is not, it's just empthy calories. The overall idea behind not using oils is to avoid empthy calories. As oils are the most concentrated calories, but have pretty much no vitamins or minerals. And no fiber. So, you would be much better off overeating fruits, than oils. As fruits have essential nutrients.
I think by refined he meant fiber is removed, for example fiber is removed from avocado in order to make avocado oil. Fiber is satiating as well, so while I'm not afraid of oil I do think it's better to eat unrefined fat sources like Whole nuts and avocado rather than just the oil.
If you're cutting fat to lose weight bc you're obese, then maybe that's ok temporarily. Also, if you're a young healthy male who doesn't care about your sperm count then you'll prob be ok. But if you're anyone else, cutting oil and fat is silly and risks damaging your hormone profile. There's really not "science on oil" being bad for you. I don't know why Mic chose to do a video on that, of all topics, but it was very shaky
I find the whole oil-free craze to be, well, crazy. "Frying" veggies in water makes it soggy and bland. The couple of tablespoons you use generally isn't enough to affect you but makes food that much better.
It seems like humans will never learn the lesson that separating food into components is a bad idea. Whether it's seitan, vegetable oil, refined sugar, soy protein isolate, it doesn't matter; they're all second-class food that should be reserved for survival situations or space excursions where shelf life is of utmost importance.
+Matthias Joseph Thomas van Trigt: That's how this so-called "food" entered our food supply in the first place: companies were looking to make use of the food processing technology they developed during WW2. Sadly people fell for it and started replacing actual food with it.
Lenny Brown she never does debates sadly because she thinks it's a waste of time. She just makes videos calling out other ppl bc they are the best way for her to get views and money. Not as much to be gotten financially from live debate format I'm guessing therefore she doesn't. Sad, really.
I used to be one of those no oil vegans. But thanks to your videos I have changed my tune. I now happily use canola oil. A little canola oil make my seitan recipe more delicious and satisfying. I bet it would be good for kale seitan!
My diet is plant-based medium carb(just because it's carbs why does it have to be high?), and as much fat as I can get away with to make the food palatable. My food is tasty, gives great energy, and I my BMI is 23.8 which I think is OK for me.
Thanks for this video, I appreciate your research into this subject! I already use small amounts of olive and coconut oils, I think I might be switching over to safflower oil for high heat cooking :).
That Study you linked from harvard was a magazine article written by a "science writer" called Barbara Maron, which is an unreliable source. Why don't you find a study or meta analysis on ncbi or bmj?
Dr. Gabriel Cousins says eating olive oil *with some vegetables* (such as a salad) will *neutralize the vein-constricting effects of EVOO* He doesn't say how it does this, but Cousins is a super hard-core student of what's good for us and what's not. I will never *not* eat oils: unrefined red palm, pumpkin seed, avocado, and yes, EVOO. (The rest, the industrial seed oils -- canola, cottonseed, soybean, etc -- I wouldn't eat if you paid me.)
Really then how come that I, coming from a family that produces olive oil, and I eat shitloads of it every fking day of my life, have no clogged anything and I am rather underweight??
Could you publish a months (or maybe even just a weeks of eating) on Cronometer to show your omega3 to omega 6 ratio? Didn't think so. (TBH a week would allow for some specific food choices easily...)
I just don’t understand what the point of “water sautéing” is. Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t that have the exact same effect flavor-wise as boiling? You’re just using such a small amount of water that it evaporates quickly. As far as I know, point of sautéing in oil is to caramelize sugars and bring out fat soluble compounds especially in spices and aromatics. That’s impossible in just water. It tastes completely different ie it tastes like you boiled onion or garlic or whatever in some salted water. Just because water sautéing looks similar doesn’t mean that the same thing is going on. Might as well save time and put everything in a big pot with water or stock and simmer until done. And they need to stop lying to us! We know it does not taste the same!
I tried avoiding oil for an entire year doing McDougall and I fell off the wagon because it was so strict. I decided to add a tiny bit of oil into my diet via store bought hummus (just so convenient) or pasta sauce. Marinara with zero oil is disgusting. But other than that I prefer to stick to fats from whole foods only.
I was with you all the way up to trashing flax seeds. Buying and grinding flax seeds is not at all time consuming and they keep fresh for at least 14 days in the fridge.
The Newcastle study suggests that Intramyocellular fat in liver and muscle and pancreas are indeed causal for diabetes - but they may well come from carbohydrates through the denovo lipogenesis that the "vegan doctors" claim doesn't happen. The diet used by the Newcastle researchers to clear the blockages was neither low carb or low fat, but low calorie. I managed very easily to become obese and eventually insulin-resistant on a fairly low fat vegan diet.
Thank you! I cut my already low oil intake more than half because of that video and felt guilty when using it. Your scientific facts are so much appreciated thanks.
One might be interested in reading the following review, which outlines dietary patterns that have clearly been demonstrated to reduce the risk of many chronic diseases. Once again olive oil is shown to be a healthy food. Additionally, this review was authored by none other than some of your favorite ant-oil promoters Neal Barnard, Caldwell B. Esselstyn, and Dean Ornish. www.onlinejacc.org/content/69/9/1172 And yes olive oil is safe to cook with at relatively low temps for short periods of time: scienceornot.net/2012/09/15/is-it-safe-to-cook-with-olive-oil/ In sum, there is probably no doubt that a HCLF whole foods vegan diet sans oil is healthy and for some it might be a good method in keeping their weight at an ideal level. However, there is no to little evidence that whole food vegans who eat small/moderate amounts of "processed" low saturated vegetable fats, especially fats like olive oil are at any greater risk for health problems. Hence, there is little need to promote an ultra restrictive diet.
Apologies for the constant change in lighting (a consequence of recording next to a window during the daytime). And because I know it's coming...no, canola oil is not toxic. Let me know if you'd like a video on this. :)
Unnatural Vegan Yeah, video on canola oil please :)
Unnatural Vegan I would be so interested in some clarification on coconut oil, and any other super food claims, as well as on canola oil! I live surrounded by canola farms and it's in everything. Would be great to know more about it. Loved the video!
Unnatural Vegan yes please
a consequence.....of eating oil. you can apologize all you want. the jig is up.
/s
Unnatural Vegan please respond to Nickocados comment again where he says that vegans can't get dha and EPA
I'm litteraly pissed off to my core with the contradicting highly confusing info we are bombarded with today surround healthy eating..
It used to be just bad information now we get both.
Heroin being a cure for the cold for example.
Welcome to eat more capitalism of the food industry. Now please leave your credit card, debit card, your 1st born children, the deed to your house, and 2 trillion dollars in the hands of these nice oligarchs. they really do care about you, and not your money.
I can't agree more. I'm exhausted. Huge popular movement against seed oils which seems bad but i don't know what to believe.
It's hard even when you are in good faith. :/
@@evanpeterjones It's like there is nothing you CAN eat anymore. There is always someone telling you how bad it is for you and then the next person tells you to eat it because it's so healthy.
Sometimes I want food pills that replace eating to exist...but then there would be a bunch of conflicting information about how good THOSE are for you too.
Cherries are delicious. Why does everybody hate the people who pick these tasty treats???
hahhahahah.
Mike P because those tasty treat are often flawed af ;)
"Veganism does not have a cult mentality!".... same people "How dare you, as a vegan, disagree with other vegan and not spread the vegan message".
OK.
I think all vegans and vegetarians are different. I as a vegetarian try not to be the angry stereotype.sometimes I run into some
People who eat meat being mean because I don’t. I think there can be extremes on both ends sadly.
If you don't like her making response videos, you don't have to watch them. She makes legitimate criticisms that most vegan UA-camrs don't make, so I think it's important for a channel like hers to exist.
What would it mean exactly for her to make "positive" videos about veganism? Would you like to see her make daily vlogs saying how great she feels everyday? I don't think that's her style. Veganism and vegans especially aren't immune to criticism and it's completely legitimate for someone to debunk the pseudoscience that's going around.
I like watching these videos because I sometimes do end up believing them when I hear them said by many UA-camrs (a while back I started to cook without oil because of this) and UV sets the record straight by backing up her claims with statements from dieticians and studies, not random articles.
Nah, she's an uninformed parasitic grifter, who deserves to be called out for her trolling.
@@willdenham mic is uninformed on stanibility. He supports global industrialists capitalism.
@@kylelundgren5133 Were you trying to say sustainability? What industry does Mic The Vegan 'support'? He promotes a whole food plant based diet, which is about as anti corporate as it gets.
Pro-tip: Don't take nutritional advice from UA-camrs.
Bianca Clark One parrots dietitian consensus...
right! I take them from Caldwell Esselstyn.
Yea get nutritional advice from Registered Dieticians like Jack Norris and Ginny Messina.
All she does is shits on other ppls parades.
Yep, do your resarch and you'll be on your merry way🖒🖒🖒🖒🖒🖒
As someone who appreciates the content both Swayze and Mike put out, I find the dialogue between them helpful and thought-provoking. As for the comment section, it's ironic how vegans call Swayze out for criticizing other vegans, being hateful, and harming veganism by not being part of the "unified front," when that's literally exactly what they're doing. Cognitive dissonance much?
Mic is a dumbass.
Mic doesn't use science. She does.
@@Aceofwolvesthat's weird because he typically has dozens of studies to back up his claims.
Not only should you avoid all fats and salt but you should also eat only when you're facing True North and each mouthful must be chewed exactly 33 times.
You're crazy.
😂
Nooo we need electrolytes 😂
Am I the only one who liked the video? It was very informative and answered most questions I had about the use of oil. She was not trasing him, if his facts are not right someone has to point it out. Jeez, he's spreading harmful misinformation and you are all just gonna defent him?
i feel the same way!
Totally agree! I despair at the attitudes of some of the people in this community. Any attempt at calling out misinformation is accused of being bad for veganism or attacking fellow vegans. In my opinion these discussions are important and lead to better understanding
Molly V - I enjoy the videos. Who wants to get yelled at by Esselstyn? - NO OYUHL!!!!!
I don’t know if it’s dangerous for him to suggest you get your fats from whole food plant based sources.
He’s not saying fats are bad. He’s saying processed oil, in most cases, isn’t healthy and you can get your fats from avocados, nuts, seeds etc.
Molly V yeah, I know right!
Mic. cherry picks and misrepresents studies quite frequently. He is very charismatic, speaks authoritatively, and his videos are well made.
But he seriously cherry picks. Maybe he thinks nobody will call him out?
A video awhile back, he cited a prostate cancer study that had no controls about comparing diets, yet pulled a single referenced data point as though it were conclusive.
He ignores studies that go against his position.
He speaks with authority on vastly different subjects.
Once you realize some this, its hard to take his videos without a healthy dose of skepticism.
I'm glad Unnatural Vegan calls him out. Or anyone else presenting b.s. just to advance their narrative.
Comments are like
"Stop debunking other vegans! We don't care if it's wrong! Just call out non vegans, you bad vegan!"
i apply the precautionary principle: as little as possible. There are other, safer sources of the fats we need.
"Olive oils tend to lower LDL cholesterol"... Stopped watching once she said that because that statement is very misleading. Studies that show Olive oil lowering LDL cholesterol are studies in which its substituted for butter or some other bad oil. Take an oil-free vegan and add Olive oil and you'll see it raise their LDL, not lower it further. Personally I don't care what vegans are choosing to eat, oil or not, but we should not be demonizing people who just want to eat more whole foods which really isn't that crazy.
THIS!
People should understand this point you make before they take her side and think that she is rational and unbiased and that Mic is peddling pseudoscience.
Why you have problem with LDL? Triglycerides are the issue, LDL if it’s not vLDL is good, same as HDL, what turns LDL to vLDL are carbs, that’s the reason why we are smart, because we ate meat all the time, as a spices we are more dummies every day because of plant base diet, give me 1 vegan that invented anything important in this world, 0 right? What do you think why? Mic is only vegan for 8 years and he is unhealthy and less smarter every day, just because of plants, sheep eat plants, so are you sheep of WHO and american capitalism???
My problem with oil is that you only get the fatty acids, you will get so much more from eating whole food fat sources like avocados, nuts, seeds ect. The oil itself loses the vitamins minerals and fiber
That's true, but oils aren't consumed primarily for their nutritional value, even though some oils do contain vitamins like A and E. They're mainly used for cooking. If you're focusing on nutrition, it's certainly better to stick with avocados, nuts, seeds, chia seeds, and flaxseeds.
I just want to thank you for this video. I was genuinely scared of eating oily food and would genuinely experience psychosomatic symptoms after eating them due to all the anti-oil fearmongering going around. Your more balanced, scientific and sober approach to nutrition has really helped me worry less about the foods I eat.
Why do people get so offended when someone tells them oil isn't as unhealthy as they thought...??
I know right? People just love forcing you over stuff, eat this eat that, avoid this avoid that etc. It is such a bullshit :|
Anne Someone Because it usually is 😂
Because people are animals who are wired to seek out calories and dense sources especially. Perhaps it triggers survival mechanisms. After all, oil is the DENSEST source of calories that humans eat.
I don't get offended, who got offended?
I may die bacause of a car crash tomorrow maybe. So why would I eat something that I don't like for the health? People are too obsessed with their diet that that call other people as "addicts". Which is not a nice and respectful thing. I eat the thing that i like, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody or anything except me. It is as simple as that. I don't mean to offend anybody except the ones who keep pushing their diet to other people.
I just started watching his video and absolutely had to stop. It makes me so sad that the video has 22,000 likes. Fat won’t make you fat, oil won’t make you fat, Vegans are already pretty restricted and I am so glad that you covered this!❤
I fell into the low fat fad, unfortunately it made me feel awful. Now I gave up, I fry my food if I want to, add olive oil to my salads and I feel much better. I am like my old self again, more energy, I lost weight as I feel more satiated.
Low fat might be cool for some, but it's not the only way. I'm tired of vegans preaching of only one way to be vegan, it's awful and not productive.
were you consuming avocados or nuts?
could it be that you were eating to little and as soon as you add the oils you felt better because you were eating more calories?
Exactly the same thing! Btw I like goats, especially Capra Ibex.
i was eating nuts and avocados, my calories were actually too high as I was often over eating, so no 'not enough calories' was not the problem. adding oils and not stressing out about them is quite fantastic and my food tastes better, let's be honest
idontlikegoats I've never heard the majority of vegans preaching only one way of eating. Who are you referring to?
Tbh I find it useful to give up 99% of oil just for weight loss/maintenance reasons because I'm too lazy to weigh/measure & keep track of everything just to maintain healthy a weight.
I also avoid most liquid calories outside of my unsweetened plant beverages but most are 250ml/25-50ish calories so it isn't a huge concern for me.
But there's no reason to universally demonize by exaggerating their problematic elements beyond what the evidence can support, nevermind fear mongering with entirely unsubstantiated bullshit.
I wish there were more vocal vegans fighting back against massive amount of bullshit within the vegan communities. I would have switched from vegetarian to vegan a long time before I actually did had I not been so turned off by what I had associated with the label.
I just stay away from all of them
(Oils, that is)
It is really common for such an enclosed communities.
olive oil does not lower ldl ! please get the main point correct before you start a critique. olive oil reduces ldl when it REPLACES an equal amount of butter.
true. she is using the same techniques industrials use to promote their crap. "Oh look olive oil is better than deep fried twinkies at reducing cholesterol!"
How do you feel now with low hormone levels?
Lmao
As a researcher who actually specialising in this field, your dismissal of the negative health effects of oils especially in T2 diabetics and people at risk of CVD, while not totally misinformed, they are largely unhelpful. Overall people consume far too much refined fat, and whole oil consumption is a major risk factor for CVD and metabolic diseases. there have also been longitudinal studies showing that fat intake is actually a better marker for risk of T2DM diagnosis than sugar intake. We do not need to totally cut added fats from our diet, but the vast majority of people, especially people at risk of disease, would benefit from significantly reducing their intake overall (to approx.
Grumpy Groucho Marxist definitely agree. She ignores or rather skews studies that are anti-oil and encourages people to think it’s ok to consume oils. Much like in her recent video talking about her love for mock meats which often have oils.
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Population studies are not very good indicators of anything. It’s better to dive deep into the biological and chemistry side of things and the mechanism within the body to figure things out. Understanding something on a deeper level, automatically gives you knowledge about the surface. Simply looking at the surface and trying to interpolate results is inaccurate.
Random dude plus there’s a difference between heated and cold oils. Blue zones consume cold olive oil on their salads and live as long as a human can. Heated oils are a different beast.
Ever since i gave up oil my acne cleared up, i stopped feeling like utter trash, and lost the pounds ive been wanting to lose forever dont really want to eat it again..
Interested to know exactly how you "felt like shit". I tried to go for a nice walk today with the aim of getting a little jog in too...after 10 minutes walking I felt unemergetic and went home. Last night had a really oily Thai dinner.
There is 0 scientific evidence that finds oil contributes to acne. You probably just have a purity complex over food that produces delusions of improvement when you cut out foods you perceive as impure.
Hun I'm sorry but that's silly! You really think there would be billions of dollars in research into acne treatments if it could be cleared simply by eliminating 1 food - oil? Don't you think everyone would do that? Do you think you're smarter than everyone else? Acne is a highly genetic medical condition within the skin. It's only treatable with antibiotics, anti-inflammatory interventions of various types, and Vitamin A, i.e., tretinoin/ Accutane. If your problem was topical acne like clogged pores caused from you wiping comedogenic oil all over your face while eating that oil, then sure, maybe stopping that behavior would clear your skin. But that's literally the only way. When physicians hear stories like this from patients, we just smile and nod at you, but we'll never agree. Patients who think your diet will heal all your health problems aren't likely to stick to veganism or any diet. The first time you get sick or have a pimple, you'll be on to the next fitness or diet craze. I bet you'll be carnivore within a few years. XD
@Random dude It's not that simple. I agree with you that if a person has food allergies then he/ she should not consume that food. But that's NOT ACNE. You really think there would be billions of dollars in research into acne treatments if it could be cleared simply by eliminating a certain food? No. Acne is a highly genetic medical condition within the skin. It's only treatable with antibiotics, anti-inflammatory interventions of various types, and Vitamin A, i.e., tretinoin/ Accutane. If your problem was topical acne like clogged pores caused from you wiping comedogenic oil all over your face while eating that oil, then sure, maybe stopping that behavior would clear your skin. But again, that's not the cystic acne that most people consider most damaging and which creates scars that can last a lifetime
Skin is naturally oily because body oils are
A.) not the same as dietary oils in any way
B.) Protective of skin and other bodily functions
C.) Increases in acne is genetic and hormonal caused as hormones and genes control how much oil your body produces. That's why people with high testosterone (biological men and trans men on hrt) often have more acne than biological women or trans women on estrogen. Estrogen (low hormonal birth control) is often prescribed as a treatment for severe acne.
4.) As humans get older and finish puberty (around 16-22 in some rare cases) acne usually lessens due to a normal decrease of testosterone as the body no longer grows.
I am Spanish, born next to the Mediterranean. We have been told all our lives how good olive oil is for our health, we call it liquid gold.
that's your oil industry propaganda. I've been told the same all my life.
a constructive and informative response to Mic's video. much appreciated.
Plant Eats Sorry but Vegan Gains hates ur guts !!
I agree with you but still shut up trumptard
I think some of the "water sauté" style of cooking some vegans put on the internet, particularly when it comes to stuff like onions, zukkini or tofu, works as a repellent against people who demand that food looks and tastes good.
Add all the oil and sugar and salt you want. Just don't expect the meal to be healthy as it should be.
@@jomsies things don't need to be saturated in oil to taste good. Learn to season and make sauces. Clown
Gosh, I used to be one of those people afraid of oils and I was telling myself it's just as tasty. No it's not. It doesn't need to be drenched in oil but fat in a sauce or stir fry brings out flavour compounds that adding water or starch just doesn't. (Plus, I'm actually at a healthy weight now compared to when I was doing low fat and my skin thanks me too. A lot less dry!)
@James Parker There is huge differenc between a curry where you cook down onions in oil, and toast the spices in oil first, then add to the curry versus a curry where the spices have been steamed in the stew, and the onions never browned.
literally all fine in moderate amounts @@UptempoMusicLessons
An excellent video. Clearly you touched on a nerve with the anti-oil fanatics. But, I guess every group has its extremists. My favorite comments are "how dare you trash other fellow vegans with your fancy facts and sciency stuff, you are hurting the cause man!" Its comedy gold.
It's It's so difficult to know which vegan to follow, aye, aye, aye, aye aye
I know this is a late comment but health science isn’t a perfect science, there’s studies that will show either side of any health argument is healthy so it’s a rly subjective science imo. While there’s some things that are known bad for you things like oils are a subjective argument
@@Asf-bj4rw having evidence supporting opposing claims doesn't make things subjective. generally all you have to do to rule out one claim over another, is to compare the dates the studies were published. recent studies generally debunk misconceptions. as for deciding whom to follow: it shouldn't somone who's deliberately deceiving like mic. or anyone who's been repeating the same words for the past 10 years (shuga, shuga, shuga) like freelee.
coisas hes but all they do is study diets when imo genetics just plays a big role.
@@Asf-bj4rw Genetics is usually (indirectly) taken studies into account by having a large number of tested subjects. Even if the results of a study only give an overview of a problem, they're still valid. The problem here is that Mic read ONE Study with results that both supported his view and that did not. I would get it if he presented a study that agreed with his view and he didn't bother to look for one that supported the opposing view. But this is not the case. All the results were in the same study, he could have presented them. Then, he could have admitted that he was wrong, but he chose to make this video. He's not humble at all.
Oil is a killer.
I was introduced to Mic's video when I was trying to move from vegetarianism to veganism and definitely went down a rabbit hole of his videos and was worried about being paranoid about everything and wondered how accurate things were even represented. I love your level headed perspectives.
thanks. this is a big help to me i am a new transitioning vegan. and yeah i am feeling a bit overwhelmed at times. but just seeing different points of view is helping me to learn who i want to be in this part of my journey. (: thanks 🙏
Just listening to Swayze talk is sorta relaxing. I don't know why people find response videos to be so innately viscous. She's literally sitting in a chair explaining why she thinks what she thinks.
She and Mic are literally the only two vegans I don't find obnoxious. I enjoy hearing what both have to say. And these responses to each other are insightful.
I don't know why people feel the need to dislike one of the other. This retarded tribalism needs to stop, lmfao.
Idk, I find Mic’s style of yelling at the camera and pretending to have more authority than he does (on nutrition) really irritating
I usually side with Mic on most of these videos but you’re spot on in this one. It depends on the oil; they are not all made equally. It’s important to make sure that coconut oil is raw and cold-pressed otherwise the very healthy medium-chain triglycerides will turn to trans fats. Very different. Olive oil is also fantastic for you as long as it’s not heated.
Too bad. Practically all the olive oil sold in the US has been heated to deodorise it because the typical American doesn't like the "strong" smell of cold-pressed raw olive oil.
Not true. Olive Oil is maybe more healthy than other Oils, but not a health Food.
@@pierrolosapio1042 There's little real evidence that olive oil in moderate amounts (20-25 percent of calories, for instance) is harmful to health. In fact there's more evidence that it is anti-inflammatory and beneficial, than harmful.
3:35 olive oil doesn’t lower cholesterol. This is a correlative effect from replacing animal fats with plant fats.
What needs to be understood is that constriction of blood vessels under a fat load (regardless of the type of fat) is the normal physiological function. What also needs to be understood is that eating heavy carbs whether whole food starches, or sugar opens the blood vessels in comparison to the unfed state. Is this a good thing? Well, it depends on how you look at things. The reason why it's good is because the body is in a desperate attempt to control blood sugar to a maximum concentration in the blood because high levels are toxic. On the other hand fats are not toxic and the body can take its time in sucking up the fat into the cells for fuel and storage. So, you can spin either story in such a way that it fits your particular narrative.
beautifully nuanced. Thanks
I love how in his video (Dr. Gil Carvalho, M.D., Ph.D. of NutritionMadeSimple) shows that science says that olive oil is good, but still refuses to say that its good for you because of no doubt personal preference and/or beliefs. He does explain, however, the endothelial function issue. Both after olive oil consumption and after exercise, the endothelial function gets temporarily worse; however, it gets better overall.
Love this video keep the work going, is your right to make us aware of people giving us wrong info, #MicTheVegan sometimes just chooses what he wants us to see, I've realized that a while back.....
Good video! However I do believe that Oils are very calorically dense and those calories could be replaced with more vitamin rich foods
Thanks for providing a counter point. Mic's assertions seem to contradict the research I read about on healthy oils like coconut and olive oil.
I thought coconut oil wasn't healthy because it's so high in saturated fat though?
@@absolutezeromusicofficial to answer something like that, you should be able to use your critical thinking to know how fat gets metabolized, otherwise you should be thinking you're making things up.
@@JoseRivera-rl3qv Okay?
I like videos like this because it challenges sides to argue for their specific claims.
However, at 9:45 you say "he might have included this much more recent 2017 study". Yet Mic's oil video which you refer to was uploaded on May 25th 2016. How could he have included a 2017. Feb 1st study?
Bognár András excellent point !!
Bognár András I know! She is the one who is being misleading here. Normally, I like her stuff, but she has become kind of a bully.
She's not a careful thinker.
That is a good ass point
Mala Fortuna Who knows, maybe it was an honest mistake? Just like she left that option for Mic, saying he may have been blindly following (biased) doctors. Just a thought =)
SHOTS WERE FIRED. A very thorough video again, really appreciate the work you put into these. Thank you.
Dear Mic the Vegan - Please declare that the earth is round so I can watch Unnatural Vegan become a flat earther
:))))))))))))
thats a golden comment.
mic. please do xD
Dew Dusky 😂😂 she would just for views
Then the Earth would become one big cherry.
Mic. the Vegan lol
I saw Dr. Esselstyn speak here in Calgary a few months ago, and Mic is clearly highly influenced by the rhetoric of Esselstyn et al. And while I do know people irl who wouldn't be alive if not for a WFPB diet, the anti-oil advocates tend to go too far, imho. I enjoyed your point on safflower oil around 4:58. Overall, I completely agree that there is a danger in promoting the idea of a "single perfect vegan diet" before we even actually know what it might be. I DO think that for people who have a history of obesity, etc., a whole foods diet works very well, and I'd like to see plant based health advocates focusing on that aspect, rather than selling a silver bullet.
ModVegan Hi, ModVegan. Love your content and this insightful comment-keep it up.
That's so kind of you! Thanks!
Let's ignore the fact that it is highly damaging to your endothelium for a minute. It's still fucking empty calories.
A very solid comment.
Ah, Esselstyn's famous "NO OYUL!!!" yell. A true classic.
Canola oil is generally highly chemically refined. But cold pressed extra virgin olive oil is not refined at all.
Keep in mind that not all olive oil is created equally. When purchasing real extra virgin olive oil it is best to purchase it through an olive oil speciality store. If you must attempt to purchase extra virgin olive oil at the grocery store, look for the following markers In order to assure that you are purchasing olive oil that is fresh pressed and non refined...
1. Look for a dark colored bottle
2. Look on the back for a harvest date ( not expiration date)
3. Look for the name of the harvest location.
A fairly good grocery store olive oil comes from California and is sold under the label “California Olive Ranch”. I’ve actually been to their harvest and they run a very clean operation. Their standard olive oil is mild enough to bake with as well.
This is proper presentation of research. You rule.
That was a much needed video! Great job, and many thanks!
Unnatural Vegan and Mic! The Vegan are both nice people who use science to try to inform people about healthy eating, but they disagreed sharply here about oil, so who’s right? I’m going to suggest that the best evidence suggests that they both are both right and both wrong in certain ways in this debate. UV is correct in pointing out that MTV oversimplified the research or didn’t tell the whole story from individual studies on oil’s effect, making it seem like those studies show that all oils always harms us. She’s right that those studies don’t show that about oils in general, indeed some report no harm for specific oils-at least for the outcome variables studied (flow-mediated dilation). Thus, we might say that the overall gist of MTV’s Oil video makes an unfair/unreasonable blanket case against oils without adequate supporting evidence. That doesn’t mean his conclusion is necessarily wrong, only that the evidence he presented wasn’t enough to prove it.
However, UV’s video can also be reasonably judged as making a too-strong defense of eating oils and fats. Now I think it’s possible that the two are using slightly different standards for what “healthy” means: MTV clearly wants a diet that doesn’t promote the build-up of plaque in your arteries (and reverses existing plaque build-up) while cutting your risk of a major CVD event to zero or virtually zero. It’s not clear to me that UV is after that, but I haven’t seen as many of her videos.
OK, what were the problems with UV’s case here? At the 2:05 mark, she puts up a quote from a Harvard source and uses it as authoritative evidence. Not so fast: I live near the Cleveland Clinic and our doctors are all there, and although the Clinic may have been the #1 Heart hospital in America (the world?) for 21 years running, you can find Cleveland Clinic doctors (and handouts) that tell you to eat an 80-10-10 Esselstyn-like diet with NO OIL, and you can find doctors there (Mark Hyman) telling you to eat a high-fat diet chock full of “healthy fats.” Thus, handouts or pronouncements from Harvard or the Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic no longer solve anything.
But let’s dissect where this Harvard handout takes us. The first point suggests that eating foods rich in polyunsaturated fat will reduce the risk of heart disease and insulin resistance, but the more powerful evidence suggests that those two conditions can be best served by cutting our fat consumption dramatically-while also choosing healthier fats when we do eat fat. The problem with this Harvard handout and most all nutrition research is that is tells us what marginal benefits can be obtained by marginal changes in diet in the context of a super unhealthy population that suffers from multiple chronic diseases and eats a super unhealthy diet. Yes, if you’re just going to tinker around the edges, then by all means do replace some saturated animal fat with polyunsaturated plant fat: However, if you have more ambitious health goals in mind, your advice handouts are going to start by telling people that most people should probably cut their fat consumption in half or by two-thirds. Neither population or experimental studies suggest that there’s any way to have healthy arteries (without plaque buildup) or avoid major CVD events with any diet with 25-60% calories from fat. Given that, both the handout (last sentence) and UV’s video err in nudging us to remember that our bodies need fat: Yes, our bodies DO need some healthy fats to survive, BUT THEY DON’T NEED MUCH FAT, since the post-WWII Okinawans, the second longest-lived population, only got 6% of their calories from fat, and the intervention diets that have had the most life-changing benefits were only ~8-12% calories from fat.
Then the Harvard handout tells us that replacing saturated fat with refined carbohydrates will not reduce heart disease risk. False-choice-strawman alert! We could instead replace saturated fat with whole food carbohydrates-and doing so has yielded excellent results, so UV can’t use false choice arguments such as this as an argument for eating fat in general or oils in particular.
The second point that Harvard handout makes (at 2:05) looks like a sentence written by a PR firm for the oil producers-the sentence is cleverly structured to get us to accept the claim that oils are good for us by getting us to unconsciously conflate the health effects of nuts with those of oils. Not so fast: Nuts are natural whole foods, but oils are processed foods, mostly highly processed foods, and for example, in the PREDIMED study, the group eating a Mediterranean Diet with nuts saw their arterial plaques get smaller while those eating a Mediterranean diet with extra virgin olive oil saw their largest plaques get bigger-so much bigger it would have probably been a statistically significant different had the study run another 6-12 months. Given that the study was funded by the Spanish government (Spain is the #1 exporter of olive oil) and the olive oil and nut industries, that would have made for a very awkward headline: “Mediterranean Diet with Extra Virgin Olive Oil Makes Worst Arterial Plaques Much Worse in Just a Few Years.”
UV helpfully points out some things that MTV left out, but makes a few of her own missteps. First, she pooh-poohs the finding that certain oils in certain studies have been found to stiffen the arteries for hours after a meal, suggesting that this is just a theory that this is harmful or promotes CVD. Gosh, I’d like my arteries to be able to expand normally at all times, and if they can’t, well that raises your blood pressure any time you get stressed or exert yourself during the hours after that meal (from maybe 1:00 pm to midnight if you’re eating a lunch and dinner with oils that have this effect on your arteries). And high blood pressure IS a contributing cause of atherosclerosis and has been identified as a leading risk factor for premature death, so this isn’t something that people who want to be really healthy are likely to just brush off. Furthermore, while UV is correct that the Vogel study only found the artery-stiffening effect for olive oil, more recent research (e.g., Rueda-Clausen et al., 2007) have shown this artery-stiffening effect for olive oil, AND palm oil, AND soybean oil, when used with healthy young subjects (hint hint, the population they used is key).
So, what about the studies UV cited where olive oil or other oils had no harmful effect or even seemed to have a beneficial effect? Here’s where it gets more complicated, and we have to remember the big picture. Remember that nutrition researchers today are usually studying the effects of modest nutritional changes on the biomarkers and health outcomes of a very unhealthy population eating a very unhealthy diet, and these studies are often funded by food industries trying to make their foods look good. So yes, you can probably stack studies from here to the moon showing that replacing saturated animal fat with olive oil in patients with profoundly elevated LDL and triglycerides doesn’t hurt flow-mediated dilation, LDL, or plaque build-up (or even yields slightly better results) but who cares? That doesn’t tell us that oils are healthy-it just tells us that substituting oils for other fats leaves you just as unhealthy, or a little less unhealthy than with the SAD diet. However, since we live in a society where the SAD diet is taken to be normal, foods and diets that are merely a little less unhealthy are routinely but bizarrely labeled as “healthy.”
Whatever label is used, you’re still stuck with very poor health outcomes, so the real comparison is whether ADDING oils to the diet of truly healthy young people with excellent biomarkers worsens their outcomes, and in the study above, all three oils worsened flow-mediated dilation for healthy young subjects. Furthermore, both in green monkey studies and in human studies (Blankenhorn, I believe) even when olive oil didn’t impair flow-mediated dilation, it resulted in just as much additional plaque build-up after a year as did saturated fat. We want a diet where plaque STOPS building up in our arteries, and where the existing plaques starts SHRINKING in thickness, and where major CVD events stop happening. So, what kind of diet yields those kinds of results? In both population studies and experimental trials, the only existence proofs we have of lack of such CVD problems came when the population/patients were eating lots of whole plant foods, ate little to no animal foods, ate very low levels of total fat (by American standards), and ate no added oils. Esselstyn is the only person on earth who has run two long-term trials on people with serious heart disease and changed their diet and gotten zero resulting heart attacks, and he has insisted upon no oils in his approach.
Now it’s possible that with a super healthy WFPB diet you can get LDL below 70 with occasional added oil, and see no progression of atherosclerosis, and have zero CVD events. However, until that research appears, I’m trying to avoid oil altogether, and I believe that MTV (despite cutting some corners in his argument) is probably right that any regular oil consumption raises the risk of CVD, all the diseases related to CVD, and premature death.
And there’s a last concern. Having recently discovered Cronometer, I discovered that my daily fat consumption was higher than I had thought/hoped (~15%), and that was only with 1/3 cup of nuts a day and mostly whole plant foods. If I added just 1 tablespoon of oil to that daily intake, I’m quickly north of 20% calories from fat. And why is that a problem? First, the only diets shown to have truly dramatic life-changing benefits such as Esselstyn’s work are diets around 8-12% calories from fat. Second, an interesting study from Monell Lab showed that at 20% calories from fat, people maintained their cravings for/addiction to fat, but at 15% calories from fat, those cravings went away, so people could easily resist fatty foods. That’s a major tipping point, and for people trying to eat a truly low fat diet, including just 1 TB of oil daily may take us over the tipping point where fat cravings re-emerge, and we derail from our previous healthy eating approach. And adding 2-3 TB daily of oils daily means we’re once again eating a medium high fat diet.
@@karlwheatley1244 But what does that mean for the blue zones where for example olive oil is used for cooking? Are their health outcomes/longevity that much worse than blue zones where little to no fat is consumed?
Ik this is 2 years old but it seems to me that if the consequences of oil is minimal enough in the long run that you can still get an extremely long lived population out of it, then I shouldn't care considering how much worse food tastes without oil. And it does taste much worse, I tried low fat WFPB recipes for a month. The main thing I learned from that experience is that a little oil goes a hell of a long way for palatability.
Plus as you said, trying to get below 20% calories from fat means that you basically can't eat any fat at all which means a pretty restrictive diet/lifestyle.
@@chloro8306 Thanks for the reply. We don't really have tons of research to answer a question that specific, but if you were eating truly whole food plant-based and were quite active, a little EVOO may may only a slight difference. But what you see in the PREDIMED study with a more typical western population is people eating the mediterranean diet with a far bit of daily extra virgin olive oil saw their thickest arterial plaques get quite a bit thicker, and it looks like that trend would have reached statistical significance at the .05 level in about 6 more months (3 years total on the diet). Now this wasn't this healthiest really whole food diet, but it is noteworthy that the plaques got thinner for people in the walnut group.
The interesting thing about getting to lower levels of fat is then your fat cravings go away and your tastebuds "downregulate" so what you might have experienced as weaker tastes when eating a richer diet then become more pronounced. For the moment, the only longer-term evidence we have of really beating heart disease longer term is from diets with around 8-12% calories from fat. You can go to spices instead of fat to improve the taste but I take your point. Take care.
@@karlwheatley1244 I did not have that experience with craving less fat when I ate less of it. With every low fat recipe I tried for a month I became more and more aware that fat is pretty much a necessity to cook well, and I always use plenty of spices.
But idk, I was never below 20% due to eating oatmeal every day. Which is what I mean by extremely restrictive. If I ran twice as much as I do now I could get more calories overall and then the fat in things like oatmeal wouldn't be a big deal, but I don't want to spend that much of my free time running. If we lived in communes where we didn't have to do redundant work to make a living, it would be more feasible.
I really enjoy your channel because you come to every situation with a level head and lots of evidence. I feel as if the vegan community, especially on the internet, has a dark side when it comes to hopping on trends as long as it pushes a vegan agenda (I’ve fallen victim to this in the past) and you are not that kind of person which I really enjoy. I have been eating vegan for four years and I really like your approach to all of the topics you tackle. Thank you for being a reliable person😂
I use olives in my dishes like rice and beans with vegetables. The taste is pretty close to using olive oil. Opting for the whole food is always better.
Exactly! They are delicious. Only issue is finding them without said oils and salt for conservation.
eat the whole fucking tree then. whole is always better
How could olives be close to the taste of olive oil when they've been brined? That's just ridiculous...
Olive is >50% fat tho so it's pretty close to oil ^^ likewise for peanut
I'm just here six years later to compliment the thumbnail ;-) I think maybe Mic has matured a little bit over the last 6 years, but as long as I have watched your videos you have come across as sensible and responsible.
My one overall question in general is, "What do you think of the Esselstyn studies and anecdoctal information that an overwhelming percentage of his cardiac diseased patients have reversed their heart disease and managed to live well beyond expected life span under his no oil diet?"
I don't really find what you bring up to contradict Mic The Vegan to be convincing. I think you use semantics to be argumentative rather than making a real point.
As all way coming to the rescued so much needed in this era of
disinformation. Thank you for being a light in this pathway in our journey to a better nutritional lifestyles.🐦🐧🐔🐤🐦🐔🐧
Thank God. I was afraid I'd have to give up hummus.
You don't have to give up hummus because of oil! All you have to do when making some is leaving off the olive oil. That's how I always make it and I love it.
@@bluejane8089 EWWWWWWWWWW
UA-cam from June 13, 2020 : Dr. Chris Knobbe-Diseases of ciivilization : Are seed oil excesses the unifying mechanism ? ( Dr. Chris is not promoting a vegan diet but presents an excellent presentation on the wide ranging and extremely damaging effects of omega 6 found in seed oils.)
Unnatural Vegan,
In your complaints about Mic the Vegan's oil video you take issue with the fact that he did not mention the third oil in the Butter, Coconut oil, Safflower oil study. I think with a little effort on your part you will understand that he did not quote the safflower oil results of the study because he was not discussing safflower oil he was discussing Coconut oil, and the fact that consumption of Coconut oil raised LDL cholesterol. Your opinion that he should have acknowledged that Safflower oil did not raise LDL is irrelevant. As a Polyunsaturated oil it would not be expected to raise LDL and the resulting LDL of 350 is not significantly different than the baseline level of 357. In fact Safflower oil is not even mentioned in the study conclusion because the results were not relevant to the studies findings Which are that Coconut Oil raises LDL just a few points less than butter. This is exactly the point that Mic the Vegan was trying to make. Had he been talking about safflower oil and omitted this reference you would be correct to bring this up, but since he wasn't and he made the factual point he was trying to, your efforts discredit him on this study do not have any validity.
Vegan4Health that would be true except that his overarching thesis is that all oil is bad. He doesn't differentiate between saturated and polyunsaturated fats in his overall argument, even though the information is at his fingertips. That may not have been his specific point in that moment, but it was relevant to his overall theme, yet he omitted it. An honest discussion of the studies he cites should include information he accesses which contradicts his overall claim. That's her point.
it's because there is no difference. even extra virgin olive oil is crippling arterial functions minutes after ingestion.
if you put the wrong fuel into your car it won't work optimally or at all.
The Safflower oil information does not contradict his overall claim. It has nothing to do the Coconut Oil results he quoted. Safflower oil is not a health food either. The fact that it does not raise cholesterol, does not negate the other unhealthy qualities it has. Whether it is by paralyzing arterial function or as a high omega 6 oil, throwing of the natural omega balance.
Ingwstx, "that would be true except that his overarching thesis is that all oil is bad" What makes you think that all oils are not bad? I would suggest to you, that eating the most calorie dense food at 9 calories per gram, which has virtually no nutritional value. A food that raises cholesterol, clogs your arteries, paralyzes your arteries, throws off your omega fatty acid balance, makes you fat and causes diabetes, is not a good food to eat if you value your health.
You're making a video calling somebody a cherry-picker, but the Harvard study you showed on the screen recommended fish as number 1 for brain health, and you cherry picked from that, saying "well, you don't need fish, just eat nuts," implying to your viewers that nuts have equal omega density and effect as fish (which they don't). So Harvard is wrong? The cherry-picker calling the cherry-picker a cherry-picker!
Still watching vegan videos, huh? Sounds like somebody can't give up the vegan lifestyle! :)
Nikocado Avocado You're the last person on Earth to be questioning anyone's credibility.
Stick to your videos where you obtain superior nutrition from Pizza Hut and McDonalds.
*Is BUTTER good for brain health?*
By the way, I'm totally against the "fat is evil" propaganda and support your efforts to challenge it; I believe omega deficiency is why there are so many mental unstable vegans running around UA-cam (I was one). But since you continually refer to "scientific consensus," fish is the answer for brain omega health, not canola oil.
Do you know how many mentally unstable carnivores/omnivores there are, including you? You're a fucking joke, just stop. Veganism clearly had nothing to do with your ongoing mental instability.
You said that nuts just have a tiny bit more of nutrients compared to oil. That's totally false. Maybe when criticising bias you should start by your own videos.
Wow, I'm always impressed with your investigative and analytical take, good sleuthing, I wouldn't have the patience.
I actually cut out oils, not because of any of the stuff that Mic stated, but because of the stuff that Dr Paul Mason (a keto guy!) goes on about showing that it's the rapid oxidation and unstable bonds (especially when heated, but also just as soon as they are processed, in contact with air and light) of oils that results in high aldehydes, which are inflammatory. I think he also says something about the gut lining, but that could have just been to do with emulsifiers.. Anyway it was a good way to get me off convenience foods and eating more whole foods and plants, so even if it's not true, it was a good decision for me. I'm not militant about it, just try to not have oil at home. I still have lots of fresh sources of fats, and even (gasp) a few saturated fats occasionally because of the way they can weirdly help the liver by promoting bile (apparently), and are meant to be neuroprotective. But granted, I haven't read all the studies or done the level of sleuthing that you do! So it would be really interesting if you felt like tackling this topic of rancidity, oxidation and aldehydes etc. Well.. I'd be interested :D As you're rapidly becoming my go-to for checking out certain topics due to your diligence and transparency.
Just on a totally anecdotal observation, I have noticed that eating sunflower seeds straight from the shell when you crack them yourself seems to taste better (to me at least) than eating them when they've been exposed to air for a while.. so perhaps there's something in this oxidation theory? Fresh stuff does generally tends to be healthier ?
I think you have an amazing brain for wading through the research. I'm pretty blown away by your skills and ability to see through obfuscation. Great stuff.
I literally got so sick on a low fat high carb diet! I’m still trying to recover my hormones. It makes me so mad that I messed up my body. But how would I have known I thought these doctors knew everything.
9:06 lipemia -> sludge blood That was hilarious! Brilliant editing. Great use of sarcasm. I watched that about 3 times laughing pretty hard each time. Thank you for that. Just to be clear, I value both your channel and Mic the Vegan's channel.
I gave up cooking with oil recently and now eat minute amounts of oil very rarely and I lost 5Kg in about 2 months. I was overweight and am now at a normal BMI and still leaning out. Our bodies just don't need oil and its easy to overdo it with cooking so honestly best just to cut it out. I guess different things work for different people but I've found an oil free diet beneficial for weight loss and I'm never going back.
Several thoughts on the last few videos I've seen of yours.
1. Tried chia pudding. Oh yeah it really is like slurping on a lougie. (Sp?) We gagged and tossed it. So right there with you on that one.
2. I like a reasonable approach and yes we live in a rural area (as does Mic I will admit) but in our area the fancier vegan foods are just not available without significant travel and expense. I like all the vegan utubers that are more forgiving and allow you to ease into a lifelong lifestyle instead of a fad binge.
3. I really am a big fan of BOTH you and Mic and I would love to see you two collaborate on a few shows. Both of you would actually do well with that. Really. Please consider it. Both your perspectives would actually be quite complimentary. I hope this reaches you somehow. Keep up the good work it really helps us!
Mic looks like he downed 5 monster drinks before he hit record ?? I've never seen him look so aggressive.
Anytime I eat something high in processed oil, my skin gets greasy and I get acne breakouts. Weird since most acne research points to Glycemic Load and IGF1 . Although, since IGF1 is part of a MTOR signalling pathway (same as insulin but different pathway) it might very well be that processed oil impair insulin sensitivity and leads to my breakouts. Anecdotal sure but my skin is at the very least telling me processed oil are no good (whole food fat sources are fine, love dem cashews!)
Whenever in the past that I've gone low or no fat vegan, I've felt depressed. When I add some nuts, some virgin olive oil, I don't feel those negative effects. I also sleep better.
why would you completely eliminate fats? That's insane, nobody does that, even Mic.
Hi UV; I very much like your calm measured approach to health and the vegan diet. BUT in the study you showed re the change in LDL using Safflowe oil, the LDL went down by only a small amount. The value of 3.5 for LDL translates to 135 mg/dl (the units used in the USA). This is a VERY high number. For good health we should have a LDL level UNDER 70.
My crazy all over red itchy skin rash went away when I went whole food vegan. When I decided the no oil thing was nonsense, as UV proposes, and began eating it again, the rash started popping up again. Yes, it's a nature fallacy, we don't have enough proof YET, but you gotta admit it makes sense. Extracting sugar from a plant has negative health consequences, so does extracting the fat from a plant. In the end, my body is all the proof I need 🤷
Thank you so much for these videos. I'm a huge fan of mic. The vegan but he really has scared me into his way of eating, and feeling guilty for using oil. I cut it down anyway, but I feel much calmer now knowing that using some oil to fry off my spices before I cook isn't going to mean the end of the world!
Thank you for debunking the pseudoscience and nonsensical ideas often promoted by the vegan community. As a new vegan I fell prey to the low-fat, no oil fad, just about put my health in jeopardy, and felt guilty adding it back into my diet. Thankfully I came across this channel and the rational people within the community.
I never said eat low fat.
Mic. the Vegan bit of a late response but I wasn't talking about you, more so people like that Vegan Couple.
Disrespectful Insolence... You really have something against pseudoscience and conspiracy theories. You just keep saying those words over and over again. Like how my grandpa always was going on about Commies and thought everyone was a communist. Do you think that the World Health Organization and the American Cardiac Association are peddling pseudoscience and are a conspiracy? Do you think that Mic's sources he cites for his argument against refined oil are discredited?
I read an article where they took people with the same overall fat composition. They were tested for intramayocellular fats. Those with higher fat composition in muscles and liver had a higher rate of insulin resistance. I saw another that showed athletes who ate high fat meals. Their intramayocellular lipid levels spiked for the next day.
It's heavily down to saturated fat though.
I am never giving up on my junk food and cats.
You shouldn't eat cats
@Seaman LB whooosh
Ahhhh thank you for covering this. I shall be sharing this with my no-lipid/oil vegan diet friends who believe Mic the Vegan's video.
I can't tell if she is just a shill for the food industry or just not that smart. She seems fairly intelligent, so I am leaning toward shill, or troll if you prefer as most of her videos are trolling other vegans. What bothers me about people like Unnatural Vegan is she just tries to muddy the waters and it keeps people from making any change at all. I have a childhood friend dying from cancer, I recommended he go vegan to help in his fight, but he responded that he can find studies that shows anything and everything causes cancer. He even told me he saw a story where tomatoes caused cancer. Look, Mic is right, of course Dr. McDougall said it first, but it makes sense that our bodies were not designed to handle processed carbs or processed fat. And contrary to what Unnatural Vegan has claimed in the past, it is very hard for carbs to make you fat. However, fat you eat is very easily turned into fat in your body. What's sad is after she tries to slam what Mic said, she admits that it may very well be true, we simply "don't know".......what a joke
exaltedfox there's a third option. She's a vegan for ethical reasons, not for health reasons, and she acknowledges (as do all credible vegan nutrition experts) the reality that a vegan diet is not inherently healthier purely for its veganness, and there is no one size fits all vegan diet. Veganism is not a diet. If you don't understand that then it's no wonder you're confused by her mission. Veganism is about reducing harm to animals. She is quite consistent in advocating for vegan choices. I challenge you to find a video wherein she says it doesn't matter if you're vegan or you shouldn't bother to be vegan. I've watched all of her videos and that's not there. Instead she encourages people not to buy into the fad diets which do not, in the long run, promote sustainable veganism. If it's a diet, then you'll give up if it doesn't yield the expected results. If it's an ethical standpoint, you'll stick with it even when it's hard. Believing in nonsense is a formula for giving up in disappointment. That's what she's about - helping people not get caught up in the nonsense, but learn how to be vegan anyway, in whatever way works for them personally.
You are right that veganism isn't a diet and I will never be a vegan because I don't believe it is morally wrong to eat an animal. I believe it is in our best interest to not eat animals, but I don't believe it's equivalent to killing a human. However, I am against factory farming because that is beyond what any rational person would call an acceptable farming practice. If animals were raised for food in a humane way it would result in people eating very little meat because it would be too expensive. My problem with Unnatural Vegan is her hypocrisy. She slams on others for "cherry picking" studies and then turns around and cherry picks studies to try to prove her point. There is a huge misinformation campaign at play. The meat and dairy industry pay for lots of studies to show their products are "healthy" or even necessary for optimal health. It is complete nonsense. I agree that a "vegan" diet does not mean a healthy diet as lots of vegan foods are processed junk. A whole food plant based diet is what we were designed to eat, it is very obvious by our anatomy and how our bodies react internally when we consume meat. Dr. Greger has pointed out that it is scientifically proven that every time we eat meat it causes an inflammation response in our bodies. And I don't believe it furthers the cause by having people simply be "vegan" if it still costs them their health, and eating lots of vegetable oil will kill just as easily as eating lard.
exaltedfox that's stupid dude maybe I shouldn't beat my dog but I will any way. BC I don't find it morally wrong for some fucked reason cause fuck animals!?
exaltedfox also "humane slaughter " doesn't exist!
"However, fat you eat is very easily turned into fat in your body."
Wow, You clearly don't know what You're talking about. First, read what's lipogenesis. Here's short summary:
*Lipogenesis* is the process by which acetyl-CoA is converted to fatty acids. The former is an intermediate stage in metabolism of simple *sugars* , such as glucose, a source of energy of living organisms.
Then try to learn basics of physiology. You're making idiot out of Yourself spreading this kind of stupid claims. This maybe convice ignorant like You but people who have basic knowledge will look at the community You represent as a bunch of stupid, crazy people.
I wonder, why people so often writing about things They have completely no clue about? Go back to school.
This seemed personal
Olive oil is not exactly a health food, most of the sciense that claims so are about comparing it to animal saturated fats. Olive oil, like all oils will harden your veins. It's all about the too fast absorption rate of processed foods.
And overconsumption of omega6 (soy has lots of it) is known to cause inflammation. Polyunsaturated fats are highly unstable, and oxidizes easily. So they are costly for your body. You do need certain amount, but trough oils you will gets lots and fast.
Yeah olive oil is overrated, it has barely any nutrition yet people act as if it's a miracle food.
+NatuHealth: That's because olive oil replaced worse options. Just because there are worse foods than olive oil doesn't mean olive oil is a health food.
"In 2003, when the Mediterranean diet was becoming popular, Dr. Alice Lichtenstein, one of the nation’s top nutrition scientists who is the senior scientist and director of the Cardiovascular Nutrition Laboratory at Tufts University, cautioned Americans:"
"If the main message that Americans get is to just increase their olive or canola oil consumption that’s unfortunate because they will increase their caloric intake and they are already getting too many calories. What they need to do is eat more fruits, vegetables, and legumes and fewer foods rich In saturated fats"
"Olive oil, like all oils, is the most calorie dense food there is. One tablespoon is 120 calories. Like any dietary oil, it is 100% pure fat and has no fiber, protein, or minerals and has virtually no vitamins except for a small amount of vitamins E and K."
"In regard to the types of fat, olive oil is 14% saturated fat, which makes it ineligible to meet the industry standard to be considered a food low in saturated fat. (Remember, the goal is to keep our intake of saturated fat to less than 7% of total calories). Two tablespoons of olive oil actually have 3x the amount of saturated fat as a 3.5 oz serving of lean chicken."
Of course olive oil is bad if you exceed your calorie needs and get fat, what is that supposed to prove? If you're eating so much fruit that you get fat, that's unhealthy. Should we avoid fruits now?
No one ist saying that you can just add olive oil to a shitty diet and become healthy or that anyone should do that. Saying that shouldn't be "the main message" or that people don't understand the recommendations is miles away from saying one should completely avoid olive oil and that it is unhealthy.
If 49% of your calories come from fat and if you exclusively consume fat from olive oil in your diet, you'd still be below 7% saturated fat.
See how ridicules that sounds? And NOBODY is recommending that, you can use olive oil normaly and stay far below 7% saturated fat intake.
"No one ist saying that you can just add olive oil to a shitty diet and become healthy" This is pretty much how people understand olive oil consumption, that it's actually health promoting. But it really is not, it's just empthy calories.
The overall idea behind not using oils is to avoid empthy calories. As oils are the most concentrated calories, but have pretty much no vitamins or minerals. And no fiber.
So, you would be much better off overeating fruits, than oils. As fruits have essential nutrients.
Olive is a health food. Not its fat concentrated extract counterpart.
I think by refined he meant fiber is removed, for example fiber is removed from avocado in order to make avocado oil. Fiber is satiating as well, so while I'm not afraid of oil I do think it's better to eat unrefined fat sources like Whole nuts and avocado rather than just the oil.
Gave up oil 4 months ago. Just got my blood work back. Absolutely perfect. I will stick with the science on oil and keep it out of my diet.
If you're cutting fat to lose weight bc you're obese, then maybe that's ok temporarily. Also, if you're a young healthy male who doesn't care about your sperm count then you'll prob be ok. But if you're anyone else, cutting oil and fat is silly and risks damaging your hormone profile. There's really not "science on oil" being bad for you. I don't know why Mic chose to do a video on that, of all topics, but it was very shaky
I find the whole oil-free craze to be, well, crazy. "Frying" veggies in water makes it soggy and bland. The couple of tablespoons you use generally isn't enough to affect you but makes food that much better.
The fact that you love fried foods doesn't make oil-free diets "crazy". Fried foods aren "much better" but nutritionally worse and probably unhealthy.
youtube. com/watch?v=_nfStqAb9_0&lc=UgxV3y2teHVCJwYlAU14AaABAg
It seems like humans will never learn the lesson that separating food into components is a bad idea. Whether it's seitan, vegetable oil, refined sugar, soy protein isolate, it doesn't matter; they're all second-class food that should be reserved for survival situations or space excursions where shelf life is of utmost importance.
hb Superstition.
+Matthias Joseph Thomas van Trigt: That's how this so-called "food" entered our food supply in the first place: companies were looking to make use of the food processing technology they developed during WW2. Sadly people fell for it and started replacing actual food with it.
hb Mate. They refine wheat grains and sell you pills containing wheat germs for enhanced vitamins and minerals! Upside down aren't we?
I, a man, am seeing an ad for Tampax in this video. I need to rethink my youtube interests 🤔
Would you be up for a nutrition debate with Vegan Gains/Mic. The Vegan?
Lenny Brown she never does debates sadly because she thinks it's a waste of time. She just makes videos calling out other ppl bc they are the best way for her to get views and money. Not as much to be gotten financially from live debate format I'm guessing therefore she doesn't. Sad, really.
Vegan Gains was asked if he would debate UV and he said he wouldn't, because they agree on too many things so he doesn't see the point.
I used to be one of those no oil vegans. But thanks to your videos I have changed my tune. I now happily use canola oil. A little canola oil make my seitan recipe more delicious and satisfying. I bet it would be good for kale seitan!
It is not difficult at all to find and grind flax seeds that aren't rancid. I've never had ANY problem ever.
My diet is plant-based medium carb(just because it's carbs why does it have to be high?), and as much fat as I can get away with to make the food palatable. My food is tasty, gives great energy, and I my BMI is 23.8 which I think is OK for me.
Your channel should be called "rational vegan"
Thanks for this video, I appreciate your research into this subject! I already use small amounts of olive and coconut oils, I think I might be switching over to safflower oil for high heat cooking :).
I don't know what the rest of your diet is like but I personally don't use safflower because it has a bad 3:6 ratio for me.
That Study you linked from harvard was a magazine article written by a "science writer" called Barbara Maron, which is an unreliable source. Why don't you find a study or meta analysis on ncbi or bmj?
Dr. Gabriel Cousins says eating olive oil *with some vegetables* (such as a salad) will *neutralize the vein-constricting effects of EVOO* He doesn't say how it does this, but Cousins is a super hard-core student of what's good for us and what's not.
I will never *not* eat oils: unrefined red palm, pumpkin seed, avocado, and yes, EVOO. (The rest, the industrial seed oils -- canola, cottonseed, soybean, etc -- I wouldn't eat if you paid me.)
Um... oils used with starchy carbs actually is known to cause elevated insulin and fat storage ...!!!
This is how people get clogged arteries.
it's actually worse with animal proteins.
Really then how come that I, coming from a family that produces olive oil, and I eat shitloads of it every fking day of my life, have no clogged anything and I am rather underweight??
Is known by whom? Please feel free to cite some scientific studies to back up your claims.
Could you publish a months (or maybe even just a weeks of eating) on Cronometer to show your omega3 to omega 6 ratio? Didn't think so. (TBH a week would allow for some specific food choices easily...)
He originally lost me when he posted a vid cooking onions and peppers in water 😷
Awwwww you still get some oniony goodness cooked in water :)
Water fry or early death...I choose water fry
I just don’t understand what the point of “water sautéing” is. Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t that have the exact same effect flavor-wise as boiling? You’re just using such a small amount of water that it evaporates quickly.
As far as I know, point of sautéing in oil is to caramelize sugars and bring out fat soluble compounds especially in spices and aromatics. That’s impossible in just water. It tastes completely different ie it tastes like you boiled onion or garlic or whatever in some salted water. Just because water sautéing looks similar doesn’t mean that the same thing is going on. Might as well save time and put everything in a big pot with water or stock and simmer until done.
And they need to stop lying to us! We know it does not taste the same!
I tried avoiding oil for an entire year doing McDougall and I fell off the wagon because it was so strict. I decided to add a tiny bit of oil into my diet via store bought hummus (just so convenient) or pasta sauce. Marinara with zero oil is disgusting. But other than that I prefer to stick to fats from whole foods only.
I dont even think hummus counts as an oil. Afaik, its just cooked ground chickpeas and ground sesame seeds.
@@cgottschifyMost store bought ones contain rapeseed oil, at least in the UK
How is Mic supposed to include a 2017 study in a video filmed in 2016?
Thankyou so much for this video
I was with you all the way up to trashing flax seeds. Buying and grinding flax seeds is not at all time consuming and they keep fresh for at least 14 days in the fridge.
Yes, pretending that the time it takes to grind flax seeds is a legitimate knock against using them for omegas is ridongculous.
The Newcastle study suggests that Intramyocellular fat in liver and muscle and pancreas are indeed causal for diabetes - but they may well come from carbohydrates through the denovo lipogenesis that the "vegan doctors" claim doesn't happen.
The diet used by the Newcastle researchers to clear the blockages was neither low carb or low fat, but low calorie.
I managed very easily to become obese and eventually insulin-resistant on a fairly low fat vegan diet.
"People love to hear 'good news' about their bad habits."
so oil is not that bad
good work UV
Thank you! I cut my already low oil intake more than half because of that video and felt guilty when using it. Your scientific facts are so much appreciated thanks.
One might be interested in reading the following review, which outlines dietary patterns that have clearly been demonstrated to reduce the risk of many chronic diseases. Once again olive oil is shown to be a healthy food. Additionally, this review was authored by none other than some of your favorite ant-oil promoters Neal Barnard, Caldwell B. Esselstyn, and Dean Ornish.
www.onlinejacc.org/content/69/9/1172
And yes olive oil is safe to cook with at relatively low temps for short periods of time: scienceornot.net/2012/09/15/is-it-safe-to-cook-with-olive-oil/
In sum, there is probably no doubt that a HCLF whole foods vegan diet sans oil is healthy and for some it might be a good method in keeping their weight at an ideal level. However, there is no to little evidence that whole food vegans who eat small/moderate amounts of "processed" low saturated vegetable fats, especially fats like olive oil are at any greater risk for health problems. Hence, there is little need to promote an ultra restrictive diet.
Thank you. I always use just one to two teaspoons of oil per day and i always felt so wrong about it. Thank you
Why are people fighting here??? Chilll, they're just UA-cam videos and you don't have to watch them if they annoy you so much oh godd 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What's your opinion on Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn?
Dr. 'No oil.'