@@acidbunny5 potential spoiler or considering leaks which say Pierro is just a director, Capitano the first and Arlecchino the fourth which does match up with the voice lines from Tartaglia and Scaramouche apart from the dead one Fischl could be the 10th since that one would be unaccounted for
While I acknowledge Fischl's identity comes from Amy's imagination, I want to believe and hope there is a development that reveals that the Fischl book character is based on reality and Amy somehow inherited that identity or title. And I hope the Book Fischl has significant deep lore ties.
It also might be significant that the Khaenrian's have names based on Nordic and Germanic words, and there is a Khaenrian order named Schwanenritter or swan knights. Conversely, Mondstadt is based on Germanic and English words, with Old Monstadt and proper aristocratic words leaning towards german. Hence Fischl using a lot more german than most Monstadters, with her own raven knights also using the german term for knight "ritter". So Old Monstadt may have ties to Khaenriah and also the Fatui seem to have ties to Khaenriah, so there may be connection yet to be revealed.
i also really hope there’s some truth to the fictional fischl. amy could just be playing a character, but if she has ties to the real fischl too that’d be amazing. and i did notice the linguistic connection to khaenri’ah, but i’ve heard that’s just in the english localization, so idk how much it might actually mean. still, i’ll take literally any droplet of fischl lore at this point, she’s as open-ended as paimon and columbina
dude the real fischl IS real, she’s not amy’s imagination or just a book character. the thunderfury and thundersoother domain literally is proof of real fischl, just go read the description of the domain it literally talks about the kingdom of the prinzessin and stuff related to the book. also the fact that the mitternatch walts exists is more proof.
Also tying Fischl to Khaenriah, she is a reference to the Norse god Odin. She has an eyepatch (Odin traded an eye for knowledge/prophecy), and she has a raven that she uses for investigation (Odin had the ravens Munin and Hugin that gathered information for her).
Aight I suggest that we may differentiate which one is Amy, the chuuni adventurer girl from Monstadt that holds an electro vision and Fischl, the character from the book. Amy is trying to play a character, and perhaps the use of Fatui leitmotifs within her theme perhaps implies that the Fischl from the book/novel that Amy read had some sort of connections with Fatui? Maybe Columbina is Fischl? Both Scaramouche and Childe warned us about her. Just a mere thought. Yu Peng Chen is a genius and he won't make a cheap copy of fatui leitmotif in a 4 star character theme. There ain't no way he puttin' fatui leitmotif in Fischl's theme if she isn't related to it, I'm not buying it.
I always half suspected Fischl was originally supposed to be a 5 star along with Mona. Since early game already had Razor as a 4 star electro and Lisa as free electro. I thought maybe they were planning on making Keqing a 5 star electro and had second thoughts about Fischl for various reasons.
@@TheCsel I swear I heard rumors that Keqing was supposed to be a four star but that just might be me spreading false info so take it with a grain of salt. If its true, there's a possibility Fischl could've been in her place. The only thing I can think of that made them go back on their decision is that Qiqi would've been the only Liyue standard banner 5 star.
@@The1andonlysharpshooter plotwise though Keqing and Ningguang are the same rank, Ningguang is much more important to the story, and Keqing doesnt even have a story quest or get any coverage outside a couple limited time events. So my headcanon is that Ningguang was supposed to be 5 star compared to Keqing. But they really didnt need another 5 star Geo since Zhongli was planned. Or possibly they just thought Keqing style and character design was more appealing and marketable for people willing to spend money. But who knows.
@@TheCsel I was pretty sure Ningguang was already confirmed to have been a previous standard banner 5 star before it was quickly changed. I forgot what the reason floating around was as this was info was spread shortly after the game’s release.
Maybe the Story Book of Fischl is related to Khanreiah. Also most of the Fatui have connections with Khanreiah like Tsaritsa, Pierro, Capitano, Signora, Childe so their themes probably hints their connection.
Interesting. I always thought that the cutscene showing young Fischl in the library where she came up with the idea of Inmernachtreich had a weird sinister vibe. It's supposed to be about a girl's imagination, but it feels like a supervillain origin story. Not to mention that the whole arc involving her evil alter ego is a bit too similar to what Kiana in Honkai Impact 3 had to go through. The alter ego even has yellow eyes just like Herrscher of the Void. In fact, Fischl has a lot in common with a Herrscher host whose Herrscher personality hasn't taken over yet - she has unexplained supernatural powers (creating Oz by the power of thought alone is no small feat), and she even fits the psychological profile of a likely Herrscher host. Maybe it's a red herring. Or maybe this is foreshadowing of something to come. La Signora used to be a normal person at some point, trying to do the right thing - much like Fischl. Then the loss of her lover made her bitter and filled her with disdain for the world.
@@Togekab00m Usually - someone with psychological issues, and/or lonely. Basically, more or less the same sort of people who get targeted by cults. Psychological issues can be exploited by the Herrscher personality to manipulate the host (through dreams, hallucinations and so on), and if the host doesn't have many friends it's less likely that someone would notice the changes in their behavior. It was more apparent with the Herrscher of Dominance. Every host had a heavy psychological baggage. Some felt worthless, other were depressed, or had survivor's guilt and so on. However, you can see this even with Kiana. HoV exploits her abandonment issues, insecurities and the fact that others withhold certain information from her. Fischl didn't have any friends because of her quirky behavior, and even her parents started to get tired of her LARPing. She felt lonely because nobody seemed to understand how she felt.
@@FraggleH It's an interesting question. She was added during the Honkai X Genshin collab, and the framing device was that Otto Apocalypse showcased his game prototype. Fischl was one of the characters. Does it mean that Genshin is canonically a game made by Otto? Or did he base it on a parallel universe he observed when preparing his grand plan? After all, in a video about Fallen Rosemary one of the devs confirmed that the Genshin universe exists in the same multiverse as Honkai Impact.
The moment you started playing Fischl's theme, I noticed the Fatui theme. While the connection to the Fatui is tenuous, she does an indirect link through a particular character that she shares _much_ with: The Raiden Shogun. Amy doesn't just have an Electro Vision, but her ideals regarding it have an eerie resemblance to Ei's version of Eternity. Both fear needing to change, and as such hide behind a mask to protect themselves. Both struggle with accepting reality. (They also both happen to have familiars that often serve as the voice of reason when they go a little too far.) With that in mind, the Raiden Shogun personally oversaw the Traveler's duel with a Harbinger before executing her, while also directly being another Harbinger's mother. Does this actually mean anything? Probably not, but it's interesting just how various seemingly unrelated characters can have subtle connections like this.
oh, interesting. the raiden shogun is another of my favorite characters, so i did notice the similarities. though at this point, i’d say both of them have accepted reality and simply chose to adapt their beliefs to it. it seems to be a general thing for electro characters to stay true to themselves despite the struggles or what other people think. and i agree! even if it doesn’t mean anything, it’s pretty fun that we can make such connections between characters. if nothing else, it’s at least good fuel for wild theories.
At the time I was wishing Fischl went to Inazuma for the Irodori Festival. I wanted people to think she was cosplaying from the book and accept her. And likewise Ei to naively believe that Fischl was a princeszin and make her stay at the palace.
Also isn’t canonically Fischl the last person in Teyvat to get an Electro Vision before the drought? We never got confirmation if they started showing up again post Inazuma arc, could be coincidence but I highly doubt it.
Well, Fischl has lots of connections to theater, that was a very prominent theme on her island and story during the archipelago event, she is a rich girl whose parents made learn music, literature and theater...The fatui are ALL conncted to an italian form of theater, the Comedia Dellarte, where they represent stock characters who serve as a mockery os society, in lore, they act almost like they are in a play, while manipulating the regions, amy is also always kind of playing a role, the character of Fischl whose lore has a lot of Khaenriah undertones...The lider of the fatui is Pierro, The Jester, who was a royal mage in khaenriah...what if Fischl, inadvertedly and intuitively, is playing a character that represents khaenriah and so to speak, the origins of the fatui.
According to Kaeya, eyepatches are hereditary. Both Fischl and Signora have eyepatches while none of the other Mondstadt females do. Hmm... (I'm half joking)
true. we don’t have many examples of snezhnaya music yet, but i find it suspicious that the ones we know (and that fischl shares a leitmotif with) are specifically fatui harbingers.
someone in the genshin lore subreddit theorized fischl, as in the character from flowers for princess fischl book (not amy, the playable character), can be the tsaritsa or at least 'possessing' her. and that pierro could be oz. honestly that theory was actually pretty fun to read, so i would recommend looking it up. this video was well done by the way!
so i looked it up, a pretty fun read indeed! this is what i mean when i say there’s much left to explore about fischl - not just amy, but the fictional character too. i wanna find mr. nine already and ask him what he knows. hopefully there’s an event someday about the fischl book series (if not an interlude chapter, depending on how important it might be)
Finally somebody talked about this! I've always found strange why her from all of characters share this motif with the fatui and the most resonable explanation I could think of is the fact that just like the fatui have to leave their past selves behind to become their new personas, Fischl also plays a character. So i was thinking that maybe, this first notes of the fatui motif can be actually a "fantasy" or "imaginary" motif. It's a bit of a stretch but I really don't see how else it could be a connection between her and the Fatui
Another simillarity between Fischl and the Fatui (Although it still doesn't connect her directally with them) is what happened with her in the golden archipelago event and recently with Scaramouche. Fischl came in terms with her "shadow" self, creating her new persona as the Fischl we know, who still roleplays but isn't scared anymore to be herself. And the same thing happened with Wanderer who accepted his past as Scaramouche and recieved a Vision to symbolize this new existance as whatever you named him (if you did). (However now the Fatui motif is absent from Wanderer's character theme, so it might be just a coincidence that those two characters experienced a similar event).
Okay so when this summer event came out I went down a rabbithole with this as my fuel. I specifically do not think Fischl (or Amy in this case) herself is part of the Fatui, but Fischl herself could be a real person. I believe the Fischl we have is a big reference to an important lore npc, specifically a god. Something I haven't seen pointed out so far in the comments is that both Amy and Oz (which could be read as Ose) can be found in lesser key of solomon, like the other archons aliases (i.e. Morax and Barbados). Both descriptions of each of these demons have some similarities with the characters mentioned as well. What I would love Genshin to do would be to have her event with the large castle actually be foreshadowing to an area in Snezhnaya which the traveller can explore and discover more about the original Fischl and their connection to the fatui. Very excited for more volumes of the novels to come out and hopefully draw more lore.
I’m glad I’m not the only person who noticed the similarities here. I think it’s pretty interesting. It could be lore significant, or it could just be a very… very big coincidence. *Hmmmm*
I was re-listening to the 2.1 trailer music and at the part where Signora comes in, it sounds almost exactly like fischl's theme- the notes even go up and the instruments used are very similar to Fischl's theme in the "Phantasm Suite"
I can actually see how Fischl ends up with the Fatui and the Tsaritsa. I mean she is an outcast, as most Harbingers seem to be. And while people tend to simply accept one's quirky habits and laugh it off whith some younger folks, or teens it might turn out to be a problem later on. Amy made the whole "Ich bin Fischl, die Prinzessin der Verurteilung!" up due to the books of Prizessin Fischl. In her Mirage we already saw that her mum wasn't much of a fan about it, and I think that Fischl has more or less accepted that she's different. Yet if Mondstadt fails to accept her the way she is, she will have to look left and right to find someone who will. That's where the Fatui come in. We know that Fischl is an exceptional scout, even keeping an eye on Dvalin aka Stormterror. The Fatui could surely use someone like her. And with a delusion we might get to see an Empress Fischl, taking her rightful place among the Harbingers of her majesty the Tsaritsa.
if fischl ends up becoming a harbinger that’d be so cool. maybe she can even take the eighth seat from signora, solidifying their connection. probably won’t happen (at least not any time soon) but i would love to see it
The thing is: she has friends, GOOD friends. Bennett and Mona namely, sure Bennett is pretty ignorant to her whole backstory, but Mona would quickly stomp that shit down if the Fatui tried to corrupt her. Idk how the rest of mondstat treat her besides her parents, but I think they would be nicer to her than Eula at least.
I wonder if it maybe has to due with the Fatui overall having an "alternate" personality thing going on, similar to Fischl being the alter persona of Amy. Ajax vs Childe/Tartaglia, Rosalyne vs La Signora, Scaramouche vs Wanderer. There is the person they were, and the person they are/act to be. Amy chooses to be Fischl. She likes being her, to the point she doesnt even want to break character. Though GAA 2.0 made her sorta lighten up and break character a bit more often. Ajax was a shy boy with a love for adventure stories, and accidentally ended up in the Abyss. We repeatedly see/are told the Abyss is a pretty shit thing. So go figure what comes tumbling back out is not what went in. Which leaves us with the little battle maniac who would go on to become Childe/Tartaglia. Rosalyne, empowered by grief and hatred abandons herself to flame, becoming the Crimson Witch of Flame. She would later be recruited by the Fatui and earn the title La Signora. Worth noting, the CW artifact set mentions she has forgotten her past. So the aspect of Rosalyne is as good as dead in that regard. Scaramouche is a lot. Like a lot a lot, and this comment is getting long enough as is, plus light spoilers for the Sumeru Archon Quest. But Scara has three personality basically. The original Kunikizushi, Scarmouche when he is recruited into the Fatui, and then as the Wanderer. Wanderer still maintains aspects of Scaramouche's personality, but is no longer tied to the Fatui. As for the other Fatui and what little we know about them: Dottore has his clones/segments which meets the bill of "alternate" personalities. Capitano kinda meets it visually, given the whole lack of a face thing hes got going on, maybe a Rosalyne/CW thing where he maimed himself? Sandrone the puppeteer, that is prime target for personality shenanigans. Pantalone and Baizhu looking alike has me seriously questioning if he maybe did some cloning stuff with Dottore and one of them is a clone. (They look way to alike for something to not be going on, but thats just a theory). The Tsaritsa. Tartag has a line somewhere that says something about how she used to be a gentle soul, but isnt anymore. I dont know, I just feel like thats just what the music is making a nod towards. They all have the person they originally were, and who they've become or act to be.
I just realised there seems to be a pattern of Fischl borrowing from the fatui, and even though its accidental on her part, it might just be because the character she for lack of better words "Cosplays" as, might actually be a part of the fatui like one of the comments here have stated previously. Mona pointing out that Fischl stole her new catchphrase "Retribution" from Diluc might've been a joke but also a subtle nod to something much greater, as Diluc was, despite originally being undercover, was in the Fatui too. Her sharing this leitmotif with Scaramouche is interesting as his character was in the midst of ascending to god hood, a celestial being. Fischl being a character who descended from traversing many worlds I believe fits the "Celestial being" title. I'm most likely reaching, but it just feels like something I'd do if I was a writer for genshin. I love adding crazy links that come back in my storytelling, which is why I naturally gravitated to genshin's lore so hard. As said before me, Yu Peng Chen is no clown.
Good video! Considering the context for the appearance of the fischl theme, I’d say they’re not really the fatui theme. If they were connected, what I would say is that the theme represents lack of connection to reality. Fischl is known for her escapism, and the Harbingers are not fully sane from the lives they’ve suffered through. However, I’d say that the thing they hold in common is more the harmonic motion of tonic to dominant, then dominant to tonic. The fatui theme’s opening 4 notes is strong degree of scale to tension, tension, and then resolution( D C#, Bb A, or A G# G# A). It also should be mentioned that while the Fischl theme is introduced and used several times, it’s not introduced as the main motivic material to later work with. Instead, the fischl teaser goes to the dominant chord and hangs onto it. Whereas the Fatui theme, and Scaramouche’s theme that contrasts with it (before changing to a version that is more in line with the fatui theme), are introduced early on. Signora’s melody in both her phases is a fragmentation of the fatui theme, using a similar rhythm, and using the same stepwise motion. The organ has also been used for every fatui theme so far as well, but it was also used in fischl’s character teaser before the harbinger fights were released, meaning it could have been done before the association of fatui with organ was really established. It was also used in cusp’s demo trailer, if my memory serves correctly. We might also see more enemies and locations tying organs to certain areas, like how cultural instruments are tied to their region/country of origin, so the organ might be something to do with fear or intimidation or a sinister nature as opposed to the organ having a specific connection to a group, character, or location. I’m excited to see what else genshin has in store for us with music!
What if the character of prinzzes Fischl from the book is a metaphor of someone who later became a fatui harbinger. So it can't be erased from irminsul.
I noticed something the other day that might tie into this theory. In Fischl's third(?) character story, there's something about her leading the way into the "new world" or something. And the Fatui's stated goal is to kill the "old world." I feel like that phrasing choice is significant.
Also an interesting fact - real name of Fischl (Amy) and Oz(Oze) are also written in The Lesser Key of Solomon as Archon names and as Paimon too, and Amy comes right after Oze. Dunno if it means something, but Hoyo always use Ars Goetia names for quite important characters for overall lore of the game, so I do not think that it is just a coincidence.
it's just a meta joke, like the rest of Fischl's character. we know that the Fatui leitmotif means big evil guy ahead, but when you play it for Fischl it's funny because she only pretends to be a big evil guy and really isn't. so yeah. just a joke reference to the Fatui and nothing serious
the similarity is because fischl trailer was promotional material for genshin, naturally MHY will ask for the best music to be used to showcased to draw people to try the game, this is why fischl's demo is the only one recorded in the original chinese dub.
I wasn’t going to comment, and I love Fischl like a daughter, I thought nothing of it before until now, and then I slept on it and was like “HOLD ON” so after after I woke I jumped over to this video lol. There *is* that suspicious line about how Fischl joined the Adventure’s Guild, her parents convinced them and there is something only Fischl and Oz know about that they will not say… so it is possible her parents have some connection to the Fatui like that, and then even more so if she did have a connection I think it would towards Il Capitano. His Commedia thing is that he makes tall tales about himself that only work on people who do not know him, part of Fischl’s identity comes from her favourite book. Then there are theories on who Capitano could be, Arundolyn being a main candidate which brings us back to Mondstadt. I love Fischl as mentioned in my intro, like a daughter so I’m fine the way she is right now and nothing like having relations to the Fatui is going change it if it’s true or not.
You did a great job on this. I'm of personal belief it is not coincidence but its significance has minor to no relevance likely until very late into the story. I'm not of belief shes a harbinger or anything like that, more if anything something like family relation, but it is fun to note the motif premiered with Fischl chronologically, and similarly its likely, although i cannot say, just figure very likely that Snezhnaya is probably close to or even the last region we'll go to on our journey. Makes one think. I mostly think its just entertaining, however i do think its very likely Fischl may follow the order of a sort of joker card/wild card style character whose significance seems laughable or amusing at best until it isn't, until it obviously becomes something more. My belief in this is baised because i'm a fan as well, but besides that doesn't go deeper then it being a enjoyable trope which i suspect Mihoyo may be saving up their sleeve. For various characters who knows, but i do suspect early ones like her and Kaeya go deeper and its not a coincidence, not to say there couldn't be others.
thank you! and i agree with pretty much everything you said (the fischl bias is strong for me too). i think fischl may have a connection to the fatui via her parents or the adventurers’ guild, but i doubt she herself is a member. still, i’m convinced at this point that the shared leitmotif must be intentional, and it’s super interesting that she’s had it since the game came out. i can’t wait to see in what direction they’ll take her character next… though it already took almost two years between her first and second appearance… so i’ll probably have to wait a lot…
I'm so happy someone finally made a video on it! I've been keep thinking about this ever since Midsummer Fantasia! (I didn't really listened to Fischl's theme before, so that moment was when I instantly went like: Ayo what??)
I noticed this a while back and attributed the musical connection through the Adventurer’s Guild. Although Fischl is the only character from the Guild to have a theme, so if we get another character from the Adventurer’s Guild in the future that doesn’t have at least those two prominent chords this reasoning could fall flat. But my reasoning for the Guild in the first place is because the Fatui might be behind it (possibly as a way to monitor powerful individuals and collect data) due to the Guild’s headquarters being in Snezhnaya and Katherine’s design being similar to Sandrone’s as well as Katheryne being a bionic Snezhnayan robot. So Fischl’s musical similarities might be due to the Fatui likely running the Adventurer’s Guild. Edit: I forgot to mention that I think the reason she bears heavy similarities to Signora’s iteration of the leitmotif in particular is because they both hail from Mondstadt. Also, Happy 100 Subscribers!! - The 100th Sub :D
I think the variations on the fatui leitmotif in signora and scaramouche's themes are just to bring some variation or intensity or simplicity to the fatui leitmotif. but, I do find it really strange that fischl's leitmotif is not only this similar, but that they've also kept using it. okay, here's a really dumb theory that's definitely incorrect: so, a lore youtuber recently pointed out that pierro is never referred to as the number 1 harbinger, and that he might exist outside of the fatui ranking system, so there might be one unrevealed harbinger. he speculates this harbinger might be a descender. so: what if fischl is actually playing 4d chess with us and tricking us into thinking she's only roleplaying, but everything she says is actually true and she really is from another world, and she's spying on us undercover with the help of the adventurer's guild, which is an organisation from sneznhaya, and she's secretly one of the 11 harbingers. like I said, that's definitely a wrong theory, don't take it too seriously.
given the new leaks about the updated ranks for the Fatui (spoiler: Pierro isn't a harbinger, he's their director, so we only know ten harbingers; Capitano is the First Harbinger instead, and Arlecchino is Fourth), it is virtually confirmed that there is a Harbinger whose identity is currently unknown and didn't appear in a Winter Night's Lazzo or in Tartaglia/Wanderer's voicelines: the Tenth. It seems weird for mihoyo to hide such a low ranked harbinger, unless they are important for reasons outside their individual power level - namely, their position in the narrative. Given the Fatui's associations with espionage and sleeper agents, it seems pretty reasonable to me that a harbinger could actually be undercover, even as a character we know and love... tl;dr Fischl or another character could actually be the missing Tenth Harbinger who we haven't seen yet, hiding in plain sight. imo Ayato is the second likeliest option bc he's sus.
interesting. however, i prefer to avoid or not rely on leaks, so i don’t think that’s the case for now. there’s also the fact that childe is stated to be the youngest harbinger, and fischl is (with current information, at least) younger still - i’m more inclined to believe that she’d become a harbinger rather than that she is one already. but genshin’s story always finds ways to surprise me, so i’ll be excited to see whatever the future has in store. just, y’know, in due time.
@@marze-88 wrt leaks, it actually is something that is hinted in game also, if you look at the order of Tartaglia and Wanderer's voice lines regarding the harbingers: Pierro is first as expected, but he's followed by Capitano, not Dottore - Dottore is after Capitano, then Columbina as expected, but then it's Arlecchino - then after her it's Pulcinella, then Sandrone (confirmed seventh thanks to wanderer), then Pantalone, then Tartaglia, then Signora and Scaramouche (bc they're no longer harbingers). In other words, the leaked harbinger ranks are actually already in-game in the order of voice lines.
@@marze-88 Also, Pierro isn't actually credited as a harbinger (all the others are 'fatui harbinger') in a Winter Night's Lazzo - he's credited as "director of the fatui" instead.
@@marze-88 all this being said, the Tenth Harbinger could be someone other than Fischl, and Fischl could still become a new harbinger e.g. replacement for the Sixth or Eighth, or a new Twelfth rank as in the thumbnail... You make a good point about their ages. It is possible that the Tenth Harbinger's identity is unknown even to most of the other harbingers to maintain their cover, however...
@@Togekab00m oh my god you’re right, i hadn’t noticed that. was that always the winter night’s lazzo description or did it change recently? i also looked over the mentions that made us initially assume pierro was the first harbinger, but they actually only call him the first fatuus. only in the new quest does the traveler call him a harbinger, and that’s just an assumption… crazy…
Some theories I made up myself in seconds that is gonna be debunked in 100x less time : - the Fischl fictionnal character has connexions to Snezhnaya, or is inspired by the fatui ?? - maybe it's because of adventurer's guild having their main HQ from there, too bad we don't have a Bennett theme to see if this leithmotif is there too
both are good points to bring up! the author of the “flowers for princess fischl” series is rather suspicious imo, since he seems to know a bunch of the world’s lore. i had assumed we might meet him in sumeru or liyue, but maybe he’s with the fatui. and considering that the main receptionist for the adventurers’ guild is a snezhnayan puppet, it’s definitely possible that the guild and the fatui are connected somehow
Could it be that fishl is a lohefalter? A descendant of signora and that's the conection? I mean diluc has a direct tie in to the fatui via crepus so family isn't out of the question
so I'm not the only one who couldn't wrap my head around it alright, just to add about it even if it is not related to the Fatui do you guys remember the Raiden Shogun's character teaser, with the Tengu, the Oni and the Kitsune? when the Tengu was shown killed, it strikes a very familiar resemblence with Oz, and I don't think it's just made up like that
that was the thunderbird, kanna kapatcir, not the tengu (sasayuri), but you are correct - have a look at the bird statues on tsurumi island and you'll see the same. also, 'immernachtreich' has the exact same etymology as 'tokoyoyaku', the historical name of enkanomiya, which worshipped the god of time istaroth.... the original fischl could be istaroth or another god erased from irminsul, maybe?
Could it be that The tale from Book Character Fischl is a fairy tale that was created to prevent any change of information just like how Nahida preserve the memory of Scara/Wanderer so it won't change even if irminsul is altered? I mean we don't know if the irminsul already altered before or not.. maybe the original story was about Tsaritsa or Harbinger.. and the only one that can confirm that is fellow descender... I'm looking at you Alice!! Edit: We need Marco here!! Someone get Marco Meatball!!
I always considered the guitar solo being specifically Fischl's theme. Also, I have not noticed any of that "Fatui theme" in Fischl's earliest trailer (look up New Character Demo - "Fischl: Glanz der Nacht"), while that I believe is what sets up her actual leitmotif. If it was supposed to be there, I'm sure it would be there. Consider the fact that all of the themes in Teyvat Chapter Storyline Preview: Travail do actually appear in the game in their respective regions.
fischl has two character themes: the one in her announcement and the one in her demo. i showed her announcement theme (“sieh an, mein sommernachtgarten!”) because it’s her earliest theme and has the full leitmotif this video is about (which isn’t her only leitmotif, of course). the demo theme you mention (“ouvertüre der ewigen nacht”) doesn’t have the full leitmotif, but it does play the first two notes, twice - you can tell it’s supposed to be the same leitmotif because of their instrumentation and emphasis. so it always was there. and since the leitmotif appeared in-game in the 2.8 cutscene, i mean… there’s no denying its existence now.
i mean, there HAS been a new vacancy for the spot of 6th harbinger (or rather, new old vacancy) and the last one was also electro... and we saw her grapple with immernacht fischl, so shes not exactly the pinnacle of stability, i can totally see her loneliness and feelings of rejection being used to recruit her, even if its not a harbinger, maybe even just as a lower level member. imagine fischl recognising the traveler when we meet her as some loyal assistant of a harbinger we're at odds with...
Im thinking that another relations between themes has to do with their powers but its very specific, that and the way I see it makes sense for me Fischl's manifestation of its power and vision derived from her chuunibyo syndrome and its denial of reality because of that to the eyes of other people it could be said she lives in a deceit Meanwhile the Fatui have the fake visions which casually for my comparisons are called deceits May count as a theory but this could add to why Fischl and the Fatui share motifs
hi hello I am super late to this party but I remember noticing this first during the GAA quest and just thinking it was weird. And only JUST NOW remembered it, and found your video looking for a clear comparison (really great btw!). This.... is high-octane fuel for my "Mr. Nine is from Khaenri'ah" agenda 🥴
And to add to this, during GAA, I took the time to read Fischl's character profile and, combined with everything that happened during the event, I realized that Fischl and the Immernachtreich are eerily reminiscent of Khaenri'ah. She even has an eye covering, albeit on the opposite side (could even be an overt symbol of how she is a "parallel" to Khaenri'ah).
what the heck why hadn’t i thought of that before?? i would definitely believe mr. nine is from khaenri’ah - he clearly knows a suspicious amount of the world’s lore from what he’s written in both of his series. most suspiciously, the name Irmin in volume 6 of “legend of the shattered halberd”. i previously assumed it was a reference to irminsul, but now we know it’s the name of a king of khaenri’ah.
@@marze-88 I think the two civilizations was vaguely similar, but I believe Khaenri'ah is more known for its lack of light due to being underground; Enka had the Dainichi Mikoshi.
Time to hash out random things it could be 1.) Fischl has the Fatui motif, but not quite because she’s pretending to be an important person 2.) She’s secretly Brighella, the braggart 3.) Fischl is related to Signora 4.) She’s a demon god in relation to the Tsarista because her real name, Amy, is also a name of a demon in Ars Goetia 5.) I honestly think it’s probably just the first one, but it’s fun to mess around
@@yesimagirl2815 Brighella is not an existing character, no. But the role is in Commedia Dell’arte, one of the characteristics being that Brighella is a braggart. That’s it, really. Just a role that could possibly exist in the Fatui with the unnamed 10th spot
When I first saw her after first pulling her, I assumed she WAS a fatui member. Not having heard her theme or anything. She just kinda has a "fatui look" to her. Maybe the book she loves is from Schneznaya and thats actually like a Schneznayan motif????????
It seems so random and out of place, but genshin never misses with details like this. There must be a reason. There's no way they just used the theme because they couldnt think of anything else
Ultra based Fischl main 🤝 Based on the recent interlude chapter, could the book 'Flowers for Princess Fischl' be an allegory for something? I'm now sus of every book in the game.
I read somewhere that Fischl once stole a crown That crown turned out to be from- yeah Signora, She then painted it in purple tho Maybe Fischl knows what shes doing, Fischl might have copied the same leitmotif Or maybe she just read a book related to the fatui, liked it and simply copied it
Hmmm... I think this is because Rosalyn (Signora) orginally came from Mondstadt so, one way or another, Yupeng Chen must be like taking into aa ccount heavily where they came from
10 months late but i wanna put down an idea i had perhaps fischl is not the harbinger right now, but something happens to her, and she becomes a harbinger replacing signora? Perhaps thats why they share a leitmotif, fischl will go down the same path signora did
It’s also worth nothing that at 0:27 in “Ouvertüre der ewigen Nacht” you can hear the same strings that start off Signora’s phase 1 theme. I hope this actually means something and isn’t just a mistake
y si tal vez los padres de fischl son fatuis y por eso hay una conexion? bueno ya seria mucho dendro pero es una loca posibilidad que se me vino a la mente
creo que es posible. si la propia fischl no tiene nada que ver con los fatui, imagino que la conexión será mediante sus padres o el gremio de aventureros.
maybe fischl (as in the character amy plays) is related to the fatui, and amy isn't even aware of it. It honestly doesn't make sense that amy herself would be connected to the fatui, so that's my guess
there’s no concrete connection between “die mittsommernacht-fantasie” and the fatui (at least, none that i’ve found). however, there’s a guitar part that connects it to fischl’s other theme, “ouvertüre der ewigen nacht”. i didn’t include this one in the video because it doesn’t have the full leitmotif, but interestingly, it does have the first two notes, which could be equally interpreted as part of the fatui leitmotif or fischl’s (or both)
@@rippertheindoraptor7908 could be a cousin or from the same family at some point. For that matter I wonder if Thoma is related to either since he is also from Mondstadt.
You should have repeated Fischls Theme more often, like after you have shown the leitmotiv of the different Harbingers, So people can hear the similarity more clearly
isnt fischl on the reconnasience (how tf do you spell that) team? or like the investigation team of the adventurers guild or something like that. the guild def has connections to the fatui
possibly. i hope that’s not the case, though. it’d be more interesting if fischl really is connected to the fatui somehow, and she’s not actually delusional.
i don’t think fischl is delusional though, it’s a misconception. she’s fully aware that she’s just playing the role of a fictional character, that’s just how she prefers to present herself. the 2.8 event showed her real side with fischl concluding that she *is* fischl in her own way, despite all her doubts and insecurities. so while i don’t entirely discard the delusion connection, it’s not one i personally believe. plus, it’d be far more interesting if she does have ties to the fatui.
if Fischl isn't the 12th harbringer then all her escapism was for nothing
Could be another rank that's already open, like number 8
@@acidbunny5 potential spoiler
or considering leaks which say Pierro is just a director, Capitano the first and Arlecchino the fourth which does match up with the voice lines from Tartaglia and Scaramouche apart from the dead one Fischl could be the 10th since that one would be unaccounted for
@@wadefischer4805 well, La Signora's seat is now vacant.
@@muradin50 and so is Scaramouche his seat
@@wadefischer4805 This order was heavily implied by the ordering of Scara's voice lines about the harbingers anyway.
While I acknowledge Fischl's identity comes from Amy's imagination, I want to believe and hope there is a development that reveals that the Fischl book character is based on reality and Amy somehow inherited that identity or title. And I hope the Book Fischl has significant deep lore ties.
It also might be significant that the Khaenrian's have names based on Nordic and Germanic words, and there is a Khaenrian order named Schwanenritter or swan knights. Conversely, Mondstadt is based on Germanic and English words, with Old Monstadt and proper aristocratic words leaning towards german. Hence Fischl using a lot more german than most Monstadters, with her own raven knights also using the german term for knight "ritter". So Old Monstadt may have ties to Khaenriah and also the Fatui seem to have ties to Khaenriah, so there may be connection yet to be revealed.
Or it all could all be coincedental with the theme associated with ancient authority and grandness which also applies to both.
i also really hope there’s some truth to the fictional fischl. amy could just be playing a character, but if she has ties to the real fischl too that’d be amazing. and i did notice the linguistic connection to khaenri’ah, but i’ve heard that’s just in the english localization, so idk how much it might actually mean. still, i’ll take literally any droplet of fischl lore at this point, she’s as open-ended as paimon and columbina
dude the real fischl IS real, she’s not amy’s imagination or just a book character.
the thunderfury and thundersoother domain literally is proof of real fischl, just go read the description of the domain it literally talks about the kingdom of the prinzessin and stuff related to the book.
also the fact that the mitternatch walts exists is more proof.
Also tying Fischl to Khaenriah, she is a reference to the Norse god Odin. She has an eyepatch (Odin traded an eye for knowledge/prophecy), and she has a raven that she uses for investigation (Odin had the ravens Munin and Hugin that gathered information for her).
Aight I suggest that we may differentiate which one is Amy, the chuuni adventurer girl from Monstadt that holds an electro vision and Fischl, the character from the book. Amy is trying to play a character, and perhaps the use of Fatui leitmotifs within her theme perhaps implies that the Fischl from the book/novel that Amy read had some sort of connections with Fatui? Maybe Columbina is Fischl? Both Scaramouche and Childe warned us about her. Just a mere thought. Yu Peng Chen is a genius and he won't make a cheap copy of fatui leitmotif in a 4 star character theme. There ain't no way he puttin' fatui leitmotif in Fischl's theme if she isn't related to it, I'm not buying it.
I always half suspected Fischl was originally supposed to be a 5 star along with Mona. Since early game already had Razor as a 4 star electro and Lisa as free electro. I thought maybe they were planning on making Keqing a 5 star electro and had second thoughts about Fischl for various reasons.
@@TheCsel I swear I heard rumors that Keqing was supposed to be a four star but that just might be me spreading false info so take it with a grain of salt. If its true, there's a possibility Fischl could've been in her place. The only thing I can think of that made them go back on their decision is that Qiqi would've been the only Liyue standard banner 5 star.
@@The1andonlysharpshooter plotwise though Keqing and Ningguang are the same rank, Ningguang is much more important to the story, and Keqing doesnt even have a story quest or get any coverage outside a couple limited time events. So my headcanon is that Ningguang was supposed to be 5 star compared to Keqing. But they really didnt need another 5 star Geo since Zhongli was planned. Or possibly they just thought Keqing style and character design was more appealing and marketable for people willing to spend money. But who knows.
@@TheCsel I was pretty sure Ningguang was already confirmed to have been a previous standard banner 5 star before it was quickly changed. I forgot what the reason floating around was as this was info was spread shortly after the game’s release.
Maybe the Story Book of Fischl is related to Khanreiah. Also most of the Fatui have connections with Khanreiah like Tsaritsa, Pierro, Capitano, Signora, Childe so their themes probably hints their connection.
Interesting. I always thought that the cutscene showing young Fischl in the library where she came up with the idea of Inmernachtreich had a weird sinister vibe. It's supposed to be about a girl's imagination, but it feels like a supervillain origin story. Not to mention that the whole arc involving her evil alter ego is a bit too similar to what Kiana in Honkai Impact 3 had to go through. The alter ego even has yellow eyes just like Herrscher of the Void. In fact, Fischl has a lot in common with a Herrscher host whose Herrscher personality hasn't taken over yet - she has unexplained supernatural powers (creating Oz by the power of thought alone is no small feat), and she even fits the psychological profile of a likely Herrscher host.
Maybe it's a red herring. Or maybe this is foreshadowing of something to come. La Signora used to be a normal person at some point, trying to do the right thing - much like Fischl. Then the loss of her lover made her bitter and filled her with disdain for the world.
What is the psychological profile of a herrscher host? ::o
@@Togekab00m Usually - someone with psychological issues, and/or lonely. Basically, more or less the same sort of people who get targeted by cults. Psychological issues can be exploited by the Herrscher personality to manipulate the host (through dreams, hallucinations and so on), and if the host doesn't have many friends it's less likely that someone would notice the changes in their behavior.
It was more apparent with the Herrscher of Dominance. Every host had a heavy psychological baggage. Some felt worthless, other were depressed, or had survivor's guilt and so on. However, you can see this even with Kiana. HoV exploits her abandonment issues, insecurities and the fact that others withhold certain information from her.
Fischl didn't have any friends because of her quirky behavior, and even her parents started to get tired of her LARPing. She felt lonely because nobody seemed to understand how she felt.
@@Sheevlord Does Fischl's appearance in Honkai add anything to this?
@@FraggleH It's an interesting question. She was added during the Honkai X Genshin collab, and the framing device was that Otto Apocalypse showcased his game prototype. Fischl was one of the characters.
Does it mean that Genshin is canonically a game made by Otto? Or did he base it on a parallel universe he observed when preparing his grand plan? After all, in a video about Fallen Rosemary one of the devs confirmed that the Genshin universe exists in the same multiverse as Honkai Impact.
The moment you started playing Fischl's theme, I noticed the Fatui theme. While the connection to the Fatui is tenuous, she does an indirect link through a particular character that she shares _much_ with: The Raiden Shogun.
Amy doesn't just have an Electro Vision, but her ideals regarding it have an eerie resemblance to Ei's version of Eternity. Both fear needing to change, and as such hide behind a mask to protect themselves. Both struggle with accepting reality. (They also both happen to have familiars that often serve as the voice of reason when they go a little too far.)
With that in mind, the Raiden Shogun personally oversaw the Traveler's duel with a Harbinger before executing her, while also directly being another Harbinger's mother.
Does this actually mean anything? Probably not, but it's interesting just how various seemingly unrelated characters can have subtle connections like this.
oh, interesting. the raiden shogun is another of my favorite characters, so i did notice the similarities. though at this point, i’d say both of them have accepted reality and simply chose to adapt their beliefs to it. it seems to be a general thing for electro characters to stay true to themselves despite the struggles or what other people think.
and i agree! even if it doesn’t mean anything, it’s pretty fun that we can make such connections between characters. if nothing else, it’s at least good fuel for wild theories.
At the time I was wishing Fischl went to Inazuma for the Irodori Festival. I wanted people to think she was cosplaying from the book and accept her. And likewise Ei to naively believe that Fischl was a princeszin and make her stay at the palace.
Fischl and Ei also both have a dutiful pet bird.
@@user-df4kf6fg7h and those dutiful pet birds both happen to be ravens
Also isn’t canonically Fischl the last person in Teyvat to get an Electro Vision before the drought? We never got confirmation if they started showing up again post Inazuma arc, could be coincidence but I highly doubt it.
Well, Fischl has lots of connections to theater, that was a very prominent theme on her island and story during the archipelago event, she is a rich girl whose parents made learn music, literature and theater...The fatui are ALL conncted to an italian form of theater, the Comedia Dellarte, where they represent stock characters who serve as a mockery os society, in lore, they act almost like they are in a play, while manipulating the regions, amy is also always kind of playing a role, the character of Fischl whose lore has a lot of Khaenriah undertones...The lider of the fatui is Pierro, The Jester, who was a royal mage in khaenriah...what if Fischl, inadvertedly and intuitively, is playing a character that represents khaenriah and so to speak, the origins of the fatui.
According to Kaeya, eyepatches are hereditary. Both Fischl and Signora have eyepatches while none of the other Mondstadt females do. Hmm...
(I'm half joking)
I noticed this and thought it made sense since she's part of the Adventurer's Guild, which is from Snezhnaya
true. we don’t have many examples of snezhnaya music yet, but i find it suspicious that the ones we know (and that fischl shares a leitmotif with) are specifically fatui harbingers.
Umm.. Childe's "letter from afar"?
someone in the genshin lore subreddit theorized fischl, as in the character from flowers for princess fischl book (not amy, the playable character), can be the tsaritsa or at least 'possessing' her. and that pierro could be oz.
honestly that theory was actually pretty fun to read, so i would recommend looking it up.
this video was well done by the way!
so i looked it up, a pretty fun read indeed! this is what i mean when i say there’s much left to explore about fischl - not just amy, but the fictional character too. i wanna find mr. nine already and ask him what he knows. hopefully there’s an event someday about the fischl book series (if not an interlude chapter, depending on how important it might be)
Finally somebody talked about this! I've always found strange why her from all of characters share this motif with the fatui and the most resonable explanation I could think of is the fact that just like the fatui have to leave their past selves behind to become their new personas, Fischl also plays a character. So i was thinking that maybe, this first notes of the fatui motif can be actually a "fantasy" or "imaginary" motif. It's a bit of a stretch but I really don't see how else it could be a connection between her and the Fatui
Ohhh, I love your idea!
Another simillarity between Fischl and the Fatui (Although it still doesn't connect her directally with them) is what happened with her in the golden archipelago event and recently with Scaramouche. Fischl came in terms with her "shadow" self, creating her new persona as the Fischl we know, who still roleplays but isn't scared anymore to be herself. And the same thing happened with Wanderer who accepted his past as Scaramouche and recieved a Vision to symbolize this new existance as whatever you named him (if you did). (However now the Fatui motif is absent from Wanderer's character theme, so it might be just a coincidence that those two characters experienced a similar event).
@@yurirosario1829 or she will be his replacement
A delusion, perhaps
@@DourFlower The Delusion Motif... It makes sense
Okay so when this summer event came out I went down a rabbithole with this as my fuel. I specifically do not think Fischl (or Amy in this case) herself is part of the Fatui, but Fischl herself could be a real person. I believe the Fischl we have is a big reference to an important lore npc, specifically a god. Something I haven't seen pointed out so far in the comments is that both Amy and Oz (which could be read as Ose) can be found in lesser key of solomon, like the other archons aliases (i.e. Morax and Barbados). Both descriptions of each of these demons have some similarities with the characters mentioned as well. What I would love Genshin to do would be to have her event with the large castle actually be foreshadowing to an area in Snezhnaya which the traveller can explore and discover more about the original Fischl and their connection to the fatui. Very excited for more volumes of the novels to come out and hopefully draw more lore.
Amy aunty, aka Rosaline XD. But is interestings that Signora and Fischl are bonding with birds, Signora with the Fenix and Fischl with the crows.
I’m glad I’m not the only person who noticed the similarities here.
I think it’s pretty interesting. It could be lore significant, or it could just be a very… very big coincidence.
*Hmmmm*
I mean, we've never seen Fischl and Signora in the same room before.
Plot twist...because of the changes to Irmunsul, Fischl is the 6th Fatui harbinger 💀💀💀
I was re-listening to the 2.1 trailer music and at the part where Signora comes in, it sounds almost exactly like fischl's theme- the notes even go up and the instruments used are very similar to Fischl's theme in the "Phantasm Suite"
I can actually see how Fischl ends up with the Fatui and the Tsaritsa. I mean she is an outcast, as most Harbingers seem to be. And while people tend to simply accept one's quirky habits and laugh it off whith some younger folks, or teens it might turn out to be a problem later on. Amy made the whole "Ich bin Fischl, die Prinzessin der Verurteilung!" up due to the books of Prizessin Fischl. In her Mirage we already saw that her mum wasn't much of a fan about it, and I think that Fischl has more or less accepted that she's different.
Yet if Mondstadt fails to accept her the way she is, she will have to look left and right to find someone who will. That's where the Fatui come in. We know that Fischl is an exceptional scout, even keeping an eye on Dvalin aka Stormterror. The Fatui could surely use someone like her. And with a delusion we might get to see an Empress Fischl, taking her rightful place among the Harbingers of her majesty the Tsaritsa.
if fischl ends up becoming a harbinger that’d be so cool. maybe she can even take the eighth seat from signora, solidifying their connection. probably won’t happen (at least not any time soon) but i would love to see it
The thing is: she has friends, GOOD friends. Bennett and Mona namely, sure Bennett is pretty ignorant to her whole backstory, but Mona would quickly stomp that shit down if the Fatui tried to corrupt her. Idk how the rest of mondstat treat her besides her parents, but I think they would be nicer to her than Eula at least.
I wonder if it maybe has to due with the Fatui overall having an "alternate" personality thing going on, similar to Fischl being the alter persona of Amy. Ajax vs Childe/Tartaglia, Rosalyne vs La Signora, Scaramouche vs Wanderer. There is the person they were, and the person they are/act to be.
Amy chooses to be Fischl. She likes being her, to the point she doesnt even want to break character. Though GAA 2.0 made her sorta lighten up and break character a bit more often.
Ajax was a shy boy with a love for adventure stories, and accidentally ended up in the Abyss. We repeatedly see/are told the Abyss is a pretty shit thing. So go figure what comes tumbling back out is not what went in. Which leaves us with the little battle maniac who would go on to become Childe/Tartaglia.
Rosalyne, empowered by grief and hatred abandons herself to flame, becoming the Crimson Witch of Flame. She would later be recruited by the Fatui and earn the title La Signora. Worth noting, the CW artifact set mentions she has forgotten her past. So the aspect of Rosalyne is as good as dead in that regard.
Scaramouche is a lot. Like a lot a lot, and this comment is getting long enough as is, plus light spoilers for the Sumeru Archon Quest. But Scara has three personality basically. The original Kunikizushi, Scarmouche when he is recruited into the Fatui, and then as the Wanderer. Wanderer still maintains aspects of Scaramouche's personality, but is no longer tied to the Fatui.
As for the other Fatui and what little we know about them:
Dottore has his clones/segments which meets the bill of "alternate" personalities.
Capitano kinda meets it visually, given the whole lack of a face thing hes got going on, maybe a Rosalyne/CW thing where he maimed himself?
Sandrone the puppeteer, that is prime target for personality shenanigans.
Pantalone and Baizhu looking alike has me seriously questioning if he maybe did some cloning stuff with Dottore and one of them is a clone. (They look way to alike for something to not be going on, but thats just a theory).
The Tsaritsa. Tartag has a line somewhere that says something about how she used to be a gentle soul, but isnt anymore.
I dont know, I just feel like thats just what the music is making a nod towards. They all have the person they originally were, and who they've become or act to be.
Omg yes and also Arlecchino, it could be totally possible that she's playing a part.
And now, peruere as arlecchino.
Fischl out here making references left and right
I just realised there seems to be a pattern of Fischl borrowing from the fatui, and even though its accidental on her part, it might just be because the character she for lack of better words "Cosplays" as, might actually be a part of the fatui like one of the comments here have stated previously.
Mona pointing out that Fischl stole her new catchphrase "Retribution" from Diluc might've been a joke but also a subtle nod to something much greater, as Diluc was, despite originally being undercover, was in the Fatui too.
Her sharing this leitmotif with Scaramouche is interesting as his character was in the midst of ascending to god hood, a celestial being. Fischl being a character who descended from traversing many worlds I believe fits the "Celestial being" title.
I'm most likely reaching, but it just feels like something I'd do if I was a writer for genshin. I love adding crazy links that come back in my storytelling, which is why I naturally gravitated to genshin's lore so hard. As said before me, Yu Peng Chen is no clown.
Good video! Considering the context for the appearance of the fischl theme, I’d say they’re not really the fatui theme. If they were connected, what I would say is that the theme represents lack of connection to reality. Fischl is known for her escapism, and the Harbingers are not fully sane from the lives they’ve suffered through. However, I’d say that the thing they hold in common is more the harmonic motion of tonic to dominant, then dominant to tonic.
The fatui theme’s opening 4 notes is strong degree of scale to tension, tension, and then resolution( D C#, Bb A, or A G# G# A). It also should be mentioned that while the Fischl theme is introduced and used several times, it’s not introduced as the main motivic material to later work with. Instead, the fischl teaser goes to the dominant chord and hangs onto it. Whereas the Fatui theme, and Scaramouche’s theme that contrasts with it (before changing to a version that is more in line with the fatui theme), are introduced early on. Signora’s melody in both her phases is a fragmentation of the fatui theme, using a similar rhythm, and using the same stepwise motion.
The organ has also been used for every fatui theme so far as well, but it was also used in fischl’s character teaser before the harbinger fights were released, meaning it could have been done before the association of fatui with organ was really established. It was also used in cusp’s demo trailer, if my memory serves correctly. We might also see more enemies and locations tying organs to certain areas, like how cultural instruments are tied to their region/country of origin, so the organ might be something to do with fear or intimidation or a sinister nature as opposed to the organ having a specific connection to a group, character, or location.
I’m excited to see what else genshin has in store for us with music!
guys maybe Fischl will become the 6th Harbinger's replacement
or the eighth, explaining why she shares the leitmotif with signora. i doubt it but it would be cool to see
@@marze-88Or the REAL fischl is 10th
What if the character of prinzzes Fischl from the book is a metaphor of someone who later became a fatui harbinger. So it can't be erased from irminsul.
I noticed something the other day that might tie into this theory. In Fischl's third(?) character story, there's something about her leading the way into the "new world" or something. And the Fatui's stated goal is to kill the "old world." I feel like that phrasing choice is significant.
Also an interesting fact - real name of Fischl (Amy) and Oz(Oze) are also written in The Lesser Key of Solomon as Archon names and as Paimon too, and Amy comes right after Oze. Dunno if it means something, but Hoyo always use Ars Goetia names for quite important characters for overall lore of the game, so I do not think that it is just a coincidence.
it's just a meta joke, like the rest of Fischl's character. we know that the Fatui leitmotif means big evil guy ahead, but when you play it for Fischl it's funny because she only pretends to be a big evil guy and really isn't. so yeah. just a joke reference to the Fatui and nothing serious
the similarity is because fischl trailer was promotional material for genshin, naturally MHY will ask for the best music to be used to showcased to draw people to try the game, this is why fischl's demo is the only one recorded in the original chinese dub.
I wasn’t going to comment, and I love Fischl like a daughter, I thought nothing of it before until now, and then I slept on it and was like “HOLD ON” so after after I woke I jumped over to this video lol.
There *is* that suspicious line about how Fischl joined the Adventure’s Guild, her parents convinced them and there is something only Fischl and Oz know about that they will not say… so it is possible her parents have some connection to the Fatui like that, and then even more so if she did have a connection I think it would towards Il Capitano. His Commedia thing is that he makes tall tales about himself that only work on people who do not know him, part of Fischl’s identity comes from her favourite book.
Then there are theories on who Capitano could be, Arundolyn being a main candidate which brings us back to Mondstadt. I love Fischl as mentioned in my intro, like a daughter so I’m fine the way she is right now and nothing like having relations to the Fatui is going change it if it’s true or not.
You did a great job on this. I'm of personal belief it is not coincidence but its significance has minor to no relevance likely until very late into the story. I'm not of belief shes a harbinger or anything like that, more if anything something like family relation, but it is fun to note the motif premiered with Fischl chronologically, and similarly its likely, although i cannot say, just figure very likely that Snezhnaya is probably close to or even the last region we'll go to on our journey. Makes one think.
I mostly think its just entertaining, however i do think its very likely Fischl may follow the order of a sort of joker card/wild card style character whose significance seems laughable or amusing at best until it isn't, until it obviously becomes something more. My belief in this is baised because i'm a fan as well, but besides that doesn't go deeper then it being a enjoyable trope which i suspect Mihoyo may be saving up their sleeve. For various characters who knows, but i do suspect early ones like her and Kaeya go deeper and its not a coincidence, not to say there couldn't be others.
thank you! and i agree with pretty much everything you said (the fischl bias is strong for me too).
i think fischl may have a connection to the fatui via her parents or the adventurers’ guild, but i doubt she herself is a member. still, i’m convinced at this point that the shared leitmotif must be intentional, and it’s super interesting that she’s had it since the game came out. i can’t wait to see in what direction they’ll take her character next… though it already took almost two years between her first and second appearance… so i’ll probably have to wait a lot…
I'm so happy someone finally made a video on it! I've been keep thinking about this ever since Midsummer Fantasia! (I didn't really listened to Fischl's theme before, so that moment was when I instantly went like: Ayo what??)
I noticed this a while back and attributed the musical connection through the Adventurer’s Guild. Although Fischl is the only character from the Guild to have a theme, so if we get another character from the Adventurer’s Guild in the future that doesn’t have at least those two prominent chords this reasoning could fall flat. But my reasoning for the Guild in the first place is because the Fatui might be behind it (possibly as a way to monitor powerful individuals and collect data) due to the Guild’s headquarters being in Snezhnaya and Katherine’s design being similar to Sandrone’s as well as Katheryne being a bionic Snezhnayan robot.
So Fischl’s musical similarities might be due to the Fatui likely running the Adventurer’s Guild.
Edit: I forgot to mention that I think the reason she bears heavy similarities to Signora’s iteration of the leitmotif in particular is because they both hail from Mondstadt.
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I think the variations on the fatui leitmotif in signora and scaramouche's themes are just to bring some variation or intensity or simplicity to the fatui leitmotif.
but, I do find it really strange that fischl's leitmotif is not only this similar, but that they've also kept using it.
okay, here's a really dumb theory that's definitely incorrect:
so, a lore youtuber recently pointed out that pierro is never referred to as the number 1 harbinger, and that he might exist outside of the fatui ranking system, so there might be one unrevealed harbinger. he speculates this harbinger might be a descender.
so: what if fischl is actually playing 4d chess with us and tricking us into thinking she's only roleplaying, but everything she says is actually true and she really is from another world, and she's spying on us undercover with the help of the adventurer's guild, which is an organisation from sneznhaya, and she's secretly one of the 11 harbingers.
like I said, that's definitely a wrong theory, don't take it too seriously.
given the new leaks about the updated ranks for the Fatui (spoiler: Pierro isn't a harbinger, he's their director, so we only know ten harbingers; Capitano is the First Harbinger instead, and Arlecchino is Fourth), it is virtually confirmed that there is a Harbinger whose identity is currently unknown and didn't appear in a Winter Night's Lazzo or in Tartaglia/Wanderer's voicelines: the Tenth.
It seems weird for mihoyo to hide such a low ranked harbinger, unless they are important for reasons outside their individual power level - namely, their position in the narrative. Given the Fatui's associations with espionage and sleeper agents, it seems pretty reasonable to me that a harbinger could actually be undercover, even as a character we know and love...
tl;dr Fischl or another character could actually be the missing Tenth Harbinger who we haven't seen yet, hiding in plain sight. imo Ayato is the second likeliest option bc he's sus.
interesting. however, i prefer to avoid or not rely on leaks, so i don’t think that’s the case for now. there’s also the fact that childe is stated to be the youngest harbinger, and fischl is (with current information, at least) younger still - i’m more inclined to believe that she’d become a harbinger rather than that she is one already. but genshin’s story always finds ways to surprise me, so i’ll be excited to see whatever the future has in store. just, y’know, in due time.
@@marze-88 wrt leaks, it actually is something that is hinted in game also, if you look at the order of Tartaglia and Wanderer's voice lines regarding the harbingers: Pierro is first as expected, but he's followed by Capitano, not Dottore - Dottore is after Capitano, then Columbina as expected, but then it's Arlecchino - then after her it's Pulcinella, then Sandrone (confirmed seventh thanks to wanderer), then Pantalone, then Tartaglia, then Signora and Scaramouche (bc they're no longer harbingers). In other words, the leaked harbinger ranks are actually already in-game in the order of voice lines.
@@marze-88 Also, Pierro isn't actually credited as a harbinger (all the others are 'fatui harbinger') in a Winter Night's Lazzo - he's credited as "director of the fatui" instead.
@@marze-88 all this being said, the Tenth Harbinger could be someone other than Fischl, and Fischl could still become a new harbinger e.g. replacement for the Sixth or Eighth, or a new Twelfth rank as in the thumbnail... You make a good point about their ages. It is possible that the Tenth Harbinger's identity is unknown even to most of the other harbingers to maintain their cover, however...
@@Togekab00m oh my god you’re right, i hadn’t noticed that. was that always the winter night’s lazzo description or did it change recently? i also looked over the mentions that made us initially assume pierro was the first harbinger, but they actually only call him the first fatuus. only in the new quest does the traveler call him a harbinger, and that’s just an assumption… crazy…
We still have not met not met her parents so maybe they are Fatui members?
Some theories I made up myself in seconds that is gonna be debunked in 100x less time :
- the Fischl fictionnal character has connexions to Snezhnaya, or is inspired by the fatui ??
- maybe it's because of adventurer's guild having their main HQ from there, too bad we don't have a Bennett theme to see if this leithmotif is there too
both are good points to bring up! the author of the “flowers for princess fischl” series is rather suspicious imo, since he seems to know a bunch of the world’s lore. i had assumed we might meet him in sumeru or liyue, but maybe he’s with the fatui. and considering that the main receptionist for the adventurers’ guild is a snezhnayan puppet, it’s definitely possible that the guild and the fatui are connected somehow
Could it be that fishl is a lohefalter? A descendant of signora and that's the conection? I mean diluc has a direct tie in to the fatui via crepus so family isn't out of the question
so I'm not the only one who couldn't wrap my head around it
alright, just to add about it even if it is not related to the Fatui
do you guys remember the Raiden Shogun's character teaser, with the Tengu, the Oni and the Kitsune?
when the Tengu was shown killed, it strikes a very familiar resemblence with Oz, and I don't think it's just made up like that
that was the thunderbird, kanna kapatcir, not the tengu (sasayuri), but you are correct - have a look at the bird statues on tsurumi island and you'll see the same.
also, 'immernachtreich' has the exact same etymology as 'tokoyoyaku', the historical name of enkanomiya, which worshipped the god of time istaroth.... the original fischl could be istaroth or another god erased from irminsul, maybe?
Could it be that The tale from Book Character Fischl is a fairy tale that was created to prevent any change of information just like how Nahida preserve the memory of Scara/Wanderer so it won't change even if irminsul is altered? I mean we don't know if the irminsul already altered before or not.. maybe the original story was about Tsaritsa or Harbinger.. and the only one that can confirm that is fellow descender...
I'm looking at you Alice!!
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I always considered the guitar solo being specifically Fischl's theme.
Also, I have not noticed any of that "Fatui theme" in Fischl's earliest trailer (look up New Character Demo - "Fischl: Glanz der Nacht"), while that I believe is what sets up her actual leitmotif. If it was supposed to be there, I'm sure it would be there. Consider the fact that all of the themes in Teyvat Chapter Storyline Preview: Travail do actually appear in the game in their respective regions.
fischl has two character themes: the one in her announcement and the one in her demo. i showed her announcement theme (“sieh an, mein sommernachtgarten!”) because it’s her earliest theme and has the full leitmotif this video is about (which isn’t her only leitmotif, of course). the demo theme you mention (“ouvertüre der ewigen nacht”) doesn’t have the full leitmotif, but it does play the first two notes, twice - you can tell it’s supposed to be the same leitmotif because of their instrumentation and emphasis. so it always was there. and since the leitmotif appeared in-game in the 2.8 cutscene, i mean… there’s no denying its existence now.
i mean, there HAS been a new vacancy for the spot of 6th harbinger (or rather, new old vacancy) and the last one was also electro... and we saw her grapple with immernacht fischl, so shes not exactly the pinnacle of stability, i can totally see her loneliness and feelings of rejection being used to recruit her, even if its not a harbinger, maybe even just as a lower level member. imagine fischl recognising the traveler when we meet her as some loyal assistant of a harbinger we're at odds with...
Im thinking that another relations between themes has to do with their powers but its very specific, that and the way I see it makes sense for me
Fischl's manifestation of its power and vision derived from her chuunibyo syndrome and its denial of reality because of that to the eyes of other people it could be said she lives in a deceit
Meanwhile the Fatui have the fake visions which casually for my comparisons are called deceits
May count as a theory but this could add to why Fischl and the Fatui share motifs
hi hello I am super late to this party but I remember noticing this first during the GAA quest and just thinking it was weird. And only JUST NOW remembered it, and found your video looking for a clear comparison (really great btw!). This.... is high-octane fuel for my "Mr. Nine is from Khaenri'ah" agenda 🥴
And to add to this, during GAA, I took the time to read Fischl's character profile and, combined with everything that happened during the event, I realized that Fischl and the Immernachtreich are eerily reminiscent of Khaenri'ah. She even has an eye covering, albeit on the opposite side (could even be an overt symbol of how she is a "parallel" to Khaenri'ah).
what the heck why hadn’t i thought of that before?? i would definitely believe mr. nine is from khaenri’ah - he clearly knows a suspicious amount of the world’s lore from what he’s written in both of his series. most suspiciously, the name Irmin in volume 6 of “legend of the shattered halberd”. i previously assumed it was a reference to irminsul, but now we know it’s the name of a king of khaenri’ah.
@@effortlessfury this too. the immernachtreich is actually pretty similar to enkanomiya, but i could see it being inspired by khaenri’ah
@@marze-88 I think the two civilizations was vaguely similar, but I believe Khaenri'ah is more known for its lack of light due to being underground; Enka had the Dainichi Mikoshi.
Time to hash out random things it could be
1.) Fischl has the Fatui motif, but not quite because she’s pretending to be an important person
2.) She’s secretly Brighella, the braggart
3.) Fischl is related to Signora
4.) She’s a demon god in relation to the Tsarista because her real name, Amy, is also a name of a demon in Ars Goetia
5.) I honestly think it’s probably just the first one, but it’s fun to mess around
Wait am i missing something? Who's Brighella? Isn't she/he whatever like an OC made from a Genshin Impact fan?
Oh nevermind I'm dumb. Im Italian, i should've realised Brighella is a character in Commedia dell'Arte
@@yesimagirl2815 Brighella is not an existing character, no. But the role is in Commedia Dell’arte, one of the characteristics being that Brighella is a braggart. That’s it, really. Just a role that could possibly exist in the Fatui with the unnamed 10th spot
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When I first saw her after first pulling her, I assumed she WAS a fatui member. Not having heard her theme or anything. She just kinda has a "fatui look" to her. Maybe the book she loves is from Schneznaya and thats actually like a Schneznayan motif????????
It seems so random and out of place, but genshin never misses with details like this. There must be a reason. There's no way they just used the theme because they couldnt think of anything else
She will be Fatui Harbinger if she is 5* character with c6 💜.
Btw I love her too 💜.
Ultra based Fischl main 🤝
Based on the recent interlude chapter, could the book 'Flowers for Princess Fischl' be an allegory for something? I'm now sus of every book in the game.
What if fishl was just a exiled member of the harbingers
cool video! i really never noticed that until you pointed it out, and now i do really hope fischl is tied to the fatui somehow
Fischl is the Tsaritsa's grandkid
I read somewhere that Fischl once stole a crown
That crown turned out to be from- yeah Signora, She then painted it in purple tho
Maybe Fischl knows what shes doing, Fischl might have copied the same leitmotif
Or maybe she just read a book related to the fatui, liked it and simply copied it
I'd laugh if the plottwist is her somehow joins the Harbinger rank
One of my favorite Genshin theories!! I believe it!
Ahh yes the missing 10th harbinger was Fischl all along.
would be neat if she did actually have some connection to the fatui, like being from the house of the hearth or something
This is a great video! I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers
I noticed almost every Inazuman OST has the same Leitmotif
perhaps fischl from flowers for princes fischl is actually a real person and served or previously served the tharitsa
Maybe it's because the Fatui harbringers hold delusions while our dear Fischl holds delusions
Hmmm... I think this is because Rosalyn (Signora) orginally came from Mondstadt so, one way or another, Yupeng Chen must be like taking into aa ccount heavily where they came from
maybe la signora is fischl ancestor
But of course, Fischl (the character from the book) has the same goal as the Tsarisa.
10 months late but i wanna put down an idea i had
perhaps fischl is not the harbinger right now, but something happens to her, and she becomes a harbinger replacing signora? Perhaps thats why they share a leitmotif, fischl will go down the same path signora did
It’s also worth nothing that at 0:27 in “Ouvertüre der ewigen Nacht” you can hear the same strings that start off Signora’s phase 1 theme. I hope this actually means something and isn’t just a mistake
y si tal vez los padres de fischl son fatuis y por eso hay una conexion?
bueno ya seria mucho dendro pero es una loca posibilidad que se me vino a la mente
creo que es posible. si la propia fischl no tiene nada que ver con los fatui, imagino que la conexión será mediante sus padres o el gremio de aventureros.
It could just be like that because both involves delusion just different types of delusion
Can you do a video with the "Sakura Sakura" leitmotif? I don't understand enough of music but I know is there
Imagine her being like a sister or a relative to Arlecchino 🤡
Maybe it relates to her being a descender?
Raiden be out here givin vision to girl with chuunibyou
it dosnt help that her real name amy is also a name from the ars goteia like all other gods lol
i’ve always been sus of her
Nice video
maybe fischl (as in the character amy plays) is related to the fatui, and amy isn't even aware of it. It honestly doesn't make sense that amy herself would be connected to the fatui, so that's my guess
Quizá solo sea la consecuencia de un compositor astuto, un arreglo músical por aquí y por allá y vuala 😜
I want to see how Die Mittsommernacht-Fantasia plays into this
there’s no concrete connection between “die mittsommernacht-fantasie” and the fatui (at least, none that i’ve found). however, there’s a guitar part that connects it to fischl’s other theme, “ouvertüre der ewigen nacht”. i didn’t include this one in the video because it doesn’t have the full leitmotif, but interestingly, it does have the first two notes, which could be equally interpreted as part of the fatui leitmotif or fischl’s (or both)
maybe the book fischl is based off of the real life coloumbina
Maybe it's the leitmotiff for delusion
Fischl may not have a delusion, but she's delusional 🤷♀
What if Signora was her ancestor?
seems unlikely since we’ve never heard any mention of signora having a child. but there’s lots of gaps in the genshin lore, so really anything goes
@@marze-88 there other ways to be related could possible of her being her (uncertain amount of greats) aunt or something similar
@@rippertheindoraptor7908 could be a cousin or from the same family at some point. For that matter I wonder if Thoma is related to either since he is also from Mondstadt.
You should have repeated Fischls Theme more often, like after you have shown the leitmotiv of the different Harbingers, So people can hear the similarity more clearly
noted, i’ll keep it in mind if i make another video about leitmotifs. thanks for the feedback :)
Does Fischl in Honkai Impact 3 have a leitmotif?
A connection with the Harbingers seems like a step down for her though.
Any thoughts now that we've fought the 4th fatui harbinger?
isnt fischl on the reconnasience (how tf do you spell that) team? or like the investigation team of the adventurers guild or something like that. the guild def has connections to the fatui
wow..
does it have anything to do with "delusion"?
possibly. i hope that’s not the case, though. it’d be more interesting if fischl really is connected to the fatui somehow, and she’s not actually delusional.
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о нет, Фишль - ... русская? Надеюсь что нет. / Oh no, Fisch is - ... russian? I hope that's not true.
Русская, русская😘
It could just be like that because both involves delusion just different types of delusion
i don’t think fischl is delusional though, it’s a misconception. she’s fully aware that she’s just playing the role of a fictional character, that’s just how she prefers to present herself. the 2.8 event showed her real side with fischl concluding that she *is* fischl in her own way, despite all her doubts and insecurities. so while i don’t entirely discard the delusion connection, it’s not one i personally believe. plus, it’d be far more interesting if she does have ties to the fatui.