Does God Love Trans People? Trans VS Ex-Trans
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2020
- A trans person/social entrepreneur and an ex-trans person/Christian came together to see if they could discuss the transgender experience and spirituality with authenticity, love, and truthfulness. Can they overcome the stigma and speak to one another with understanding?
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Transgender people are just people like us who are victimized by the media and society to become even more confused.
We all have responsibility to help each other including about *Sex* that seems taboo.
The Bible already gave us clear definition about everything. God wanted us to be like Him in every way.
Sex is just one thing.
The 10 commandment is the main agenda that we should obey.
When we obey the Law, we all will comeback to Heaven standard.
These 2 beautiful people really showing about humility.
I hope trans people watch this video as inspiration so they can lead to God.
Leviticus 18 and 20
“If a man lies with a male with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Chapter 20 verse 13.
God does not like trans people, end of.
A “transgender” person never could lead you to God.. a transgender Is a person that goes against the identity he or she was conceived and born with .. period..
@@WeDoLoveU How can you say you love GOD and hate how He created you? You were already beautifully and wonderfully made just the way He made you. So why do you hate what He created? Why do you hate yourself the way GOD made you to be? Unless you become Saved through His Plan of Salvation you will never know of a true relationship with Him. Acts 2:38.
@Calvin375 You clearly have love deep inside your heart. Unfortunately you never use it properly yet. I totally understand your position. When you confused, just hold on to Jesus.
*Put Jesus first in your heart, and put all Negative thinking behind you.*
This is how you can love yourself as the first step to love others.
If you really love Jesus, hear what He said in:
*John 14:15*
He said he was either going to kill himself for God or transition. Beware of false spirits God will never push you towards suicide it’s the enemy that puts these thoughts into our heads.
Being trans is very scientific!
@@joe_mama_ In what ways???
@@dubbelkastrull Trans men have male brains. If he took a brain scan it would come out as male.
@@joe_mama_
Is that what you meant with "trans is scientific"?
@@dubbelkastrull Would you agree that men and women have different brains?
I feel like the question if God loves trans people is so backwards. Of course he does. God’s love isn’t contingent on who you are or where you are.
He loves us. But we can sin against ourselves.
Yeaa he does but he also doesn't love our sins and neither should we
@@exspencivve very well said.
@@exspencivve that wasn’t the question though. God loves us ALL period.
And yes, we shouldn’t love the sin but other’s sin is not an excuse for me to treat them any differently. Sin is sin. We are all sinners.
Yeah Gods love for us was demonstrated on the cross. The more important question is do we love Him? Like the lady in pink mentioned.. how can we love Him if we reject his creation as if He made a mistake? We pick & choose what we like & what makes us comfortable & reject truth & Gods creation. Denying our flesh actually produces authentic freedom because Gods very nature is good. He knows way more than we do & has our best interest @ heart. If we don’t trust that we cannot glorify Him.
“You cannot claim to love Me & yet reject my creation” - so powerful. 🙏🏻
ew no
wowwwww
Amen.
yeah, that's a fact.
Romans 13:8-10
Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 14:13-14
Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean
If you don't have experience, with this you don't know what it is like. This community faces enough prosecution... Jesus died for our sins and there are many other things we can prioritize besides dressing as male or female. We can look to other things within ourselves that can improve how we treat others... to love others like ourselves. Why do we focus on this aspect? How does this lifestyle impact you? Perhaps this was important at a time when we had to multiply to survive... but now there are higher priorities. I pray that God opens peoples eyes to discern what the priority really is... and the consequences of their actions. You have to pick and choose your battles and I don't believe this is one that should be promoted. If anything, this is pushing people away from God WHICH IS WAY WORST. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT STOPPING PEOPLE FROM PUSHING OTHER PEOPLE AWAY FROM GOD IS THE PRIORITY. Not proving yourself right... Not condemning people.
I love what she said "we were created to glorify God, not ourselves". What she said reminds me of how far we have fallen from God's grace and his original plan, that we are now sitting here today in confusion, fear, and Pride.
“Confusion, fear, and pride” you’re so right 🤭
Amen
I want to be her friend, she’s so rooted, encouraging and clear headed. Evidently has the Holy Spirit.
how weak of a god to create beings to not live their life but to worship him endlessly. how prideful, how conceited. all the things he said you shouldn't be.
This is so good.
“If i re-create myself, i give glory to myself.” - thats heavy!!!
Sooo heavy!
👏🏾
It's definitely true!
So heavy that he will sunk so fast in the bottom of the ocean and cannot swim back to the surface.
@@kingchris1353 unless she turns around and realizes the willful sin she is indulging in Jesus will swim to the bottom of that ocean and save her. God willing she does.
Ashton is focused on himself while Laura is focused on God and that is the difference.
YES! He doesn’t care about what God has said he only cares about his own feelings.
@@kitafiaola2663 well yea it’s his literal life
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@@imacat8570 yep, her literal God given life.
@@NeighborhoodStreetrat he* and his other option was suicide. Would you really rather someone die than live a god serving life as a different gender?
The way this woman knows her scripture is incredible. Memorizing Bible verses is hard, let alone be able to recite them out of thin air like she did.
Her mother runs bible classes.
I noticed I was able to do it as I read the Bible more and talked about God more. I slowly started to remember a lot of scriptures.
I'd think memorizing its not the most important virtue, or what there is most to admire in this person.
Ikr, also the Holyspirit helps us to remember scripture 🤍
Yes! Listening to her say them from the bottom of her heart and with that passion brought me to tears. What a testimony!!!
She has the humility that I have been praying for forever. Incredible. Praise the Lord for her life
That's perfectly said
The Lord has nothing to do with transgender he created them male and female this man rejects God's creation which makes him evil. You'd better go back a check what you're praising cause right now it's a lie you are praising...😊
Phil 4:5 indeed!.. and I love how she pointed out that Jesus took on a human body in the likeness of _sinful_ flesh for sin, and condemned sin in the flesh (Romans 8:3):.... wow! Now if *_anyone_* had a right to complain that they did not deserve or want of fit into their own body, it would be Jesus! And yet it was not just his willingness to take on flesh but His willingness to lay down His own life as the example of how we ought to be committed to the brethren (1Pet 2:21) that God loved Him (John 10:17)
@@inTruthbyGrace wow. That is incredibly encouraging and has added even more depth to the incarnation of Jesus in my heart. Thank you for saying all of that. I believe, as the gender discussion is revving up, the fact that Christ FULLY understands the trans populations’ plights and yet committed to His incarnation fully to the point of death…that will be an important part of sharing the gospel going forward. God bless you!
So to cut it short.
Woman: “In the scripture”
Man:”I feel”
And that was the whole video. You’re welcome.
Yup. Everyone caught it.
Wow. Cmon now
Saved me 24mins👍🏽🤣🤣
@@nikolainoga2913 lolll😭😭
Yup. This is all of LGBT community.
I gasped when Ashton said he wanted to “honor God and kill himself” guys, that’s NOT from the Lord. I pray for Ashton to have his eyes opened and let Jesus transform him to what he is supposed to be🙏🏼
Yeah me too!!! To hear that was crazy
@@dubbelkastrull definitely that person is a SHE even if SHE doesn't want to be seen as such. She can be treated with hormones the rest of HER life and will never become a man.
That person that goes by the name of Ashton is not a HE, is a SHE so SHE needs to open her eyes, not his eyes. But definitely, I gasp when SHE said: SHE wanted to “honor God and kill himself”
@@ulysax1979 do you guys understand that the reason HE said that, was because more often than not, Christians made him feel worthless and made him want to kill himself. How can you say you’re praying or want to pray for someone, when your doing the very thing that is hurting him (judging) ?!
Let this man live the way he feels is right with god. Jesus told us NOT to judge others, yet the very people he was there for (Christians) hurt and murdered him. Do not judge others and do what Jesus would do.
@@soulvibesmedia7682 What was Jesus doing with the Pharisees?
This young woman has been delivered, no doubt, she is in her right mind to glorify God!
Laura gave such a clear presentation of the gospel, may God's Word not return void.
It won't
God's word is void in transgenders/LGBTQ the love of God is not in them which is why they can't figure out the natural and proper use of the body he put them in...😊😊
Yeah... She's right. It's not about us. It was (never) about us. It's about Him, glorifying Him.
Which is why this guy transitioned, so he can glorify Him with an authentic self!
@@totalcontrol4205 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
(Matthew 16:24, ESV)
Jesus said to deny yourself.
What kind of insecure god you have lol he needs us to glorify him?
@@totalcontrol4205 these type of people never listen or even try to accept so there’s no use 😩 no point in even responding to em
Spiritual Gazi we are made to glorify Him. it is literally why He created us and our ultimate purpose, not a career or money or popularity or anything else. We are made in His imagine and through His power so it only makes sense that our self-identity should be God himself. He doesn't "need" our validation, He gave us free will but those who are His followers must live for God
I like the fact that the atmosphere was just "I'm sharing my opinion" and no one was begin condemned
for GOD so loved the world that HE gave HIS only begotten SON that whoever believeth in HIM should not perish but have eternal life"-the Gospel of JESUS written by john 3:16."But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"-the Gospel of JESUS written by john 1:12. hi! JESUS loves you and died for you if you accept HIM! HE rose from the dead to show us that death cant hold HIM! repent and start living your life for HIM and when the time is right HE will get you to Heaven❤❤🌈🌈
@@userm180 "'Cause I may be bad but I'm perfectly good at it
Sex in the air, I don't care, I love the smell of it
Sticks and stones may break my bones
But chains and whips excite me" Rihanna 1:04
@@thay8729 I hope you are able to open your heart and have a life changing encounter with God sooner than later. Jesus is the way and the only way! We must follow God's word and nothing else but what comes from God! Sin is sin, do not be deceived! God bless and have a great night!
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:9 KJV
Have a blessed day!
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God bless anyone reading this! Hope you have an awesome day! Seek him while you can! Jesus is the way and he is coming soon! Whenever you think you aren't loved... Remember the ultimate sacrifice was for love! SUICIDE IS NEVER THE ANSWER!
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 KJV
Have a blessed day!
@Alex dfvedas God bless you so much! Thank you for that wonderful testimony! I'm so appreciative of God healing me through depression. God is more than Good!
Laura isn't just debating, she's a child of God and she's really speaking from the word's perspective and that's wisdom. She's full of God
frr
"Align yourself with The WORD." My Sister Laura is speaking nothing but The Truth. The WORD is GOD. Period. No one will ever change that. This was a good conversation. LORD, I pray that YOU have YOUR Way with both of them. Hallelujah, JESUS!!!
@Ahmet Tunç The WORD is The HOLY Bible. The HOLY Scriptures. From Genesis to Revelation.
“Our truth can not be based on feelings” Woman in Pink. Boy she has got it down! God is really using her!
That's literally what being human is. Feelings, instinct. If you're not basing your truth on your own personal feelings what are you basing it on? I hope you figure that out someday and learn how to truly be happy.
@@kieranshae feelings hold no objective realities. If i were to base the things i believe off of what i felt i would be changing my beliefs every second. Truth comes from objective realities. God is objective, the Bible is objective. His Word stands firm and does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Objective truth is so much more reliable than the way i feel at any given moment.
Oh ya and i am truly happy because i put my trust in my Savior Jesus Christ who forgives me of my sin and has given me eternal life. He offers the same for you too!
@@kieranshae I agree
@@kieranshae I think I know where you're coming from bc feelings are definitely a part of who we are as humans but we are so much more than feeling or instinctually controlled creatures. We were created with the ability to reason. :)
Here's an example: I feel hungry. My instinct is to eat foods that make my tastebuds feel happy like pizza and ice cream and steaks, etc. My reason, however, tells me that if I want good long-term health I should make healthier choices and not give in to these instincts every day. Sometimes it means eating some veggies that are not so exciting. Health (unfortunately) won't come by satisfying my feelings and desires. Luckily I have reason which helps me make smart choices.
No matter how happy pizza makes me it will never be healthy enough for daily consumption so my feelings have to give way to facts and reason.
Did I make sense? Lol If not, feel free to ignore my comment. :)
She keeps bringing it back to scripture with a compassionate appeal. Love seeing this
So right. It comes down to "I feel" versus "God says".
Exactly!!
Yes!!!! She is....Love it!
She nailed it
The scriptures are TRUE and never be reversed. It's not what we think God thinks.
The way she spoke about Jesus the passion in her heart...wow just wow!!
I love how Laura displays her relationship with God with practical examples and random conversations with Jesus. 🙏🏾🙏🏾😊
“Even if I struggled with those feelings the rest of my life it was enough to follow Christ”- wow !
Ikr, just Amen!
The same type of faith as those persecuted for Christ. It’s just sad we don’t see that much anymore, which is telling and should open our eyes.
God bless!
Amen. 🙏🏽
Deep very deep. Becuade Jesus sacrifice him body. Just Becuase something feels good dosent mean we should do it
Fast and seek God and he will deliver you from that stuff were you no longer struggle with it anymore
Love it when she falls back on scripture repeatedly! She embodies Jesus's teaching to "deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me"
Amen
Jesus always says deny the flesh. the thing is they talked about Jesus which she is definitely correct but you have to remember the opposite of Jesus that creature is messing around with people's lives by making them think that they should be a different gender. They're not they don't see that they always blame it on God and they never blame it on that that creature below the Earth.
Yess
@@lillydejesus9510 what creature below the earth are you referring to? If its satan you are referring to then we can be sure that he is not below the earth. We are told that satan is here on earth and never are we told that he is below the earth. This idea comes from pagan mythology that there is a God of the underworld which is found no where in scripture. We are told that satan will some day be cast into the lake of fire in revelation 20:10 so if hes already there then there would be no need to cast him where he already resides.
1 peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
job 1:7 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.
ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
also this idea that its satan or demons that "make" people do things is false. There are definitely spirits at work but they do not make us do anything, they can temp us with things that are already in our hearts but the choice to live in sin is ours and ours alone. We are responsible for our choices and no one else.
@@lillydejesus9510 He is male, God made him male/spirit. Adam and Eve through sinning made him female/flesh. Trans people are literally with the mindset of who they are since birth on an instinctual basis. It is God given.
"Our truth cannot be base on feelings" 👏🏼👏🏼 for her 🙌🏼❤️
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (This is our sad condition as human beings apart from God). EDIT: Forgot to mention the verse: Jeremiah 17:9.
When you put "My" first instead of God, this is what scriptures says :
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?(Luke 6:46).
Why can't we all just have calm discussions like this, they were both so respectful.
Because ever man and every woman have different emotions 😁
The emotions sometimes win calm.
We’re learning. We live in good times. Some people will still get it wrong, we all will, but wow! What an example.
Amen 💜
I think when we actually care about the other person it changes how we talk to each other. We can often see each other as enemies or worse. We have a way of dehumanizing each other when we disagree.
Sexuality is a very significant force in our life and it can really effect us. Lust is a big problem for a lot of people and men especially. I think that men have failed to protect sexuality and healthy sexual practices. The male sex drive is incredibly powerful. Likewise women are very sexual creatures.
Why is there so much confusion, frustration, hurt/pain, and dysfunction with human sexuality? I don’t know the answer except that I think that whatever evil forces might be at work they attack our most vulnerable parts. Hurting human sexuality has huge consequences not just for one person but for so many. We need the truth, we need compassion, we need self-control, we need genuine love, we need healing, and we need a purpose that goes beyond our fragile identities.
I hope that people who have struggles with core identity like gender and sexuality will be loved and find the love of a good God. We need to accept people where they are but we need to speak the truth with kindness.
“God never says the person He created is the abomination,” I don’t know, that just spoke to me
did Laura or Ashton say that?
@@a.kamileon Laura pretty sure
Laura said it
transphobia xx
@@kikis_cat how is that transphobia? It's quite LITERALLY telling people not to hate what God made them.
The transformed heart points to an Awesome God. What a tremendous testimony of His Love and healing! I am so proud of her unashamed revealing of how God healed her mind for His Glory.
His grandma was the pivoting point. We all must learn what to say and when to say it when the time comes when someone needs of desperate help.
Yes. To have been a believer but lead another young believer deeper into sin is so sad and troubling. I wonder what God holds us responsible for when it comes to how we have guided others.
It’s sad cause his grandmother said God just wants you to be a good person clearly she didn’t know the Bible either cause Jesus said no one is good but God. We have to surrender to God not follow our hearts
@@raquelrufo118 Amen. We need to let God change our hearts too.
I am so happy for him to have had a supporting grandmother
@fearmongeringsells this right here is the EXACT piece I, myself, struggle with (with my own trans kid). You wrote your comment a year ago, I’m sure no one will ever see this… But honestly this is where Protestant teaching and more strict Christian teachings really differ. My child is my responsibility to raise- I bear the true authority and responsibility of her upbringing in the eyes of God (not the grandparent). But I simultaneously want to love and accept her for whatever choices and mistakes she may make, not condemning and pushing her away, even though I am very much against trans ideology. Anyone who is a Christian parent of an LBGT individual probably has a little bit of an internal struggle around this. But meanwhile, any other person that I didn’t have such a moral responsibility to, I would feel it more right to tell them they are loved regardless, Jesus loves you, I love you, I empathize, etc., as I’m sure this grandmother’s intention was. I cannot fathom that Jesus or God wants us to shun someone. I just can’t. It’s so hard, honestly. I just pray and pray and pray, but it feels hopeless I will reach her.
“If anyone wants to follow Me, he must *deny himself* , pick up his cross, and follow Me” -Matthew 16:24
Exactly what came to mind!
Literally promoting suffering because of undemonstrated religious beliefs. How do you sleep at night?
@@Maksie0 do you have a child who always want to eat dessert and you stop him and try to give him something healthy but he/she doesn't like and he started to cry and you still force him to do it because you know is good
Yea suffering for christ is like that, if you don't follow him you go to hell.
Remember not all suffering is good. You can do drugs and suffer because of what you did.
But suffering for christ is different. It's like when you want to get a promotion you do the work. You suffer but you get the promotion
So if you want to follow christ you are going to suffer because you are not following the world but you follow christ who is not from this world.
Maksie0 you want the truth or you want hell?
@@BenDover4m3 There has never been demonstrable evidence for the existence of hell.
This is what America needs; civil discourse. I’m tired of seeing heated and hostile dialogue between bitter/uneducated conservatives and progressives. They both seem to be lovely and collected people. Great choices.
Uneducated conservetives ??
@@nielbd Yes sir. Ignorance is most definitely a bipartisan issue, particularly here in the west.
Yes, I agree, we need more civil loving conversations, and I LOVED THE HUG at the end! I saw this beautiful lady in the movie "In his Image."
Very moving, educational, and everyone should see it!
People tend to quiet there tone in person.
@@blackhairedrubio the south too
She is a true testimony of deliverance and a modern-day evangelist for that population
I hope she continues to preach against the lie the enemy is selling to our young people
I love how calm and respectful they were to each other, something I need to control when topics like these come up.
Laura was full of Holy Spirit, full of God word and her love for Christ is beautiful. I pray that Lord will free other girl too ❤
I like how she wasn't pushy like some Christians are with this kind of stuff. She simply cited Scripture and talked about her past experiences with him. You could tell she had a lot of love for this guy because she was in the same boat as him earlier in her life.
@Carson Bayerl xD sureee:^
Ehhh most Christians aren’t pushy. It’s sad that it can seem that way due a a bunch of bad apples in our religion and faith.
@@MollyHuffle the ones I live with 🤷♂️
@@MollyHuffle I get what your saying tho.
@@maxmarti Sorry to hear. They should not act like that.
Amazing! This is just what I needed to hear! I also made the decision to de-transition (die to my old selfish desires), pick up my cross and follow Jesus recently. This by far is one of the hardest journeys and is also such a lonely, narrow road, even being faced with persecution from peers I can only begin to imagine what the road ahead looks like. Thank you again so much for having this conversation so openly.
Praise Jesus!!! God is holding you on this journey and will not let you fall! I am so happy for you.
"The LORD makes firm the steps of the one who delights in him; though you may stumble, you will not fall, for the LORD upholds you with his hand."
God bless you 🙏🏼❤️
You're never alone. I pray God places people in your life to strengthen you in Him and in this new path you've decided to walk on. Your experiences are not in vain.
Also, look up Jackie Hill-Perry.
He is with you! ❤
Wow, that is amazing news! Those who believe in Christ have eternal life, will never be condemned for their sins, and have already passed from death into life. Please read John 5:24 - we already have victory in Christ, so we can't give up the rest of the battle on earth! Do not discouraged by peers who may deny your experience and journey - they can't fully know the power of your transformation through the Holy Spirit unless or until they experience it themselves, so don't give their voices an undeserved pedestal. Whether the journey is detransition or anything else, people pleasing/worship is a strong temptation and potential idol, and God calls us just to be obedient to Him, so don't get distracted by wanting others to be pleased with your journey. In time, if their hearts aren't hardened, they will see the fruit of what Christ is doing in you, and your path may even be the start of their conversion to Christ. All the best to you, and stay protected in prayer, scripture, and true fellowship!
God loves everyone, doesnt mean He loves their sin. At the end, everyone will be judged according to their belief.
God gave me feet, but that doesn't mean I'm a runner.
God hates all workers of iniquity psalms 5:5. The “he hates the sin and not the sinner” is a myth.
@@unworthy1582 for "God loved the World" not only those who would chose Him, but for everyone to have that choice of rejecting salvation or accepting it, no such thing as calvinism in the bible.. For where there is freedom there is love. Jesus died for us while we were His enemies. Jesus said "father, forgive them" while they here insulting and crucifying Him.
@@andya4012 That was his mercy yes what a beautiful thing it is! But God is the same yesterday today and forever.
@@unworthy1582 he is immutable regarding His nature and attributes, but not when it comes to atonement. The jews had the law, but now, us, the gentiles, have been saved by grace through faith in Jesus who died for our sins. Now, you have to believe in Jesus, before, just believe in God and follow the mosaic law, like keeping the sabbath and circumcision.
“Made in God’s image, but born in Adam’s” 🤯🤯🤯 that’s a good point..I agree but never heard it put so simply
I have a lot of LGBT family and I come with an almost unholdable level of compassion and empathy. I'm almost in tears hearing her say that she realized she was willing to follow Jesus even if her feelings never changed. She surrendered, and God then changed her feelings after she surrendered and said "you are right and I am not". Isn't that all of our testimonies?? Different struggles, but when we surrender, there is such beauty and that is where freedom starts. I pray for this community and this whole generation to find the freedom that comes from knowing and surrendering fully to Christ!
Yes!!!
Amen
I agree so much. The message of desiring to follow God more than ourselves applies to everything.
It reminds me of how Jesus met several of His apostles. The fishermen who met Jesus and immediately left their livelihood and everything behind to follow Him. They had many doubts and hardships but they always stayed with Christ and continued to follow Him.
Yes!!!
True
The devil never says believe in me... he says believe in yourself 😭😭 trust God
This is a word!
So true! People don't realize that Satan is cunning and smart he's not going to call you to worship him he doesn't care what you choose as long as it's not God's path he wants you to "do as thou wilt"..
Woahhhh truth !!!
What a word!!!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Exactly then he hides in your heart.
Recently, the Lord showed me that I need to lock up my heart and hand the keys to him and he also puts his peace as a gate arround my heart. Then he showed me I have to live out of my belly as a believer because out of my belly flows rivers of living waters...
I declared it and that night when I slept, I had victory in my dreams and satan fled from me.
So as believers our bellies are full of the joy of the Lord and that's where our strength comes from!
She is so well spoken and eloquent.
I pray that I can communicate the gospel like this young lady did. Wow!
God is no respecter of persons- meaning, He wants to have just as close and personal a relationship with you as he does her.
She gained that communication from spending lots of time in the Bible, and asking the Holy Spirit to teach her. We are made to have relationship with God, and if you put the time in, you'll have that same capability to evangelize.
🖐🏼
Not me CRYING when she said Jesus told her “Let me tell you who you are”
I wish she elaborated more on how you don't have to go all out and wear pink the way she does either.
@@monkey6207 tell that to trans women (no disrespect to them, just making the point)
As a laughing way ??
@@monkey6207 wait I’m confused wdym
Bruh.. Imagine. Also- I know someone named Stephen George. They're cool, so I think you're cool too. Have a nice day :)
This woman oozes with knowledge of the word of God.
She’s met Jesus.
When she began to share Romans 6 word for word 🙌🏽 Praise God for her testimony
@@K1NG_D0ME everyone says that
she gave her life to Jesus
The word of God? Or The Bible which is man written?
She has truly been transformed by the power of the word of God ❤
She is so sharp. I love how loving she is. Truth told with kindness. Amazing. Good on her. (Your internal compass is not your standard. It is the word of God.)
The lady (ex-trans) speaks so beautifully. You can see the holy spirit inside her.
"If we create our own identity we are glorifying ourselves, but if we cherish the identity God gave us then we are glorifying Him" awesome quote.
Wrong. Because what we put on the outside is what is on the inside.
@@christopherluvsaidan67 If Christ is in you, He will be reflected on the outside as well
I got chills when she said that. That was so good.
That's so simple, so true, so beautifully said without being malicious or over complicated spoken like a true child of God and that could only be dropped in your spirit by the holy spirit
Why would I want to glorify God and not myself? If it’s something that makes me suicidal, should I do it anyway because it’s what God wants?
We know who has God's favor when we listen to them carefully. One speaks in sentences full of the words "God" "Him". One speaks in sentences full of "My" "Inner" "Self".
I was hoping someone else noticed that
Idk if God’s favor is the right phrase but I completely agree
Beautiful conversation I love that they didn’t argue but just had a discussion.
Anyone that has an ear to hear the wisdom that God has given that woman in the pink through her testimony, will hear her! She spoke wisdom!
She is filled with the Holy Spirit. The words from her mouth were sweet like honey. I loved everything she was saying and she gave me a lot of perspective. God bless our sister in Christ!
Amen yes that was the Holy Spirit that was speaking through our sister in christ
Amen!
Though my heart breaks for the woman who is self identifying as a man, The truth the woman in pink speaks aligns with what God speaks in His word. Praying that truth will reach those who need it.
Wow, she really glorifies God😍😳
“Even if i struggled with those feelings for the rest of my life, it was enough to follow Christ” 😭😭😭 ❤️❤️❤️
God Bless you, Ryan. I just realised your name. I have a cousin with your first name. He is gay. Praying for you now. He can help you and deliver you.
@Steven 00 that's not true everyone gets tempted. Even Jesus was tempted to do sin and yet he successfully commited himself to the father's will.
Amen
this!!!!
@Steven 00
It’s not about it being natural or unnatural bud. The fact that she uses the word struggle presents to us the fact that there is still suffering in our walks with Christ. Christ himself suffered and was tempted. God could very well take all bad feelings and “unnatural” attractions from us. But when we as carnal humans still struggle with it, it shouldn’t be deemed as not completely delivered. God is able and what I took from this is that there is edification in suffering and that is the beautiful part about surrendering.
My father recently passed. He was a man of faith. He has led me to many revelations since his passing. The most humbling and impactful was him helping me understand that I am worthy of salvation
The lady who spoke first brought me to tears. Happy tears. God changes hearts.
The more she spoke the more she illuminated the light and beauty of Christ. Wow.
Love how she quotes scripture just like Jesus “it is written” not just basing everything on her feelings and emotions cause the heart is wicked and deceitful.
Yes, very true
All i do and our fellow brothers and sistefs in Christ do is for glory to God our only God our Father in Heaven through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Not to be mean but she clearly knows the scripture way better than him. And when we read the scripture and truly accept it in our hearts as the direct word from God then our minds are renewed and God speaks to us what we have to do and how we have to be to please Him. So often we are sadly superficial in our faith, as she said. We think God died for us and that‘s great and now I‘ll go and do whatever I want with no hesitation or not following boundaries set by the Bible. I‘m so sorry but what I see from him is a superficial kind of general thought process that the world has too. Saying things that are based on our emotions and to please us, not on the Bible to please our Good Father.
shes not even quoting scripter shes just quoting the generic things you hear pastors speak in church.
@@muresanmiriam4778 idk bu her logic she shouldn't be waring mixed fabriks it says not to fo that in the bible
I like it when 2 people who disagree can sit down and have conversations about their own point of views and not shame, call names, or degrade the other person for thinking or feeling different. That is what made this so interesting.
Only the female with the beard keeps disagreeing with God's word. The other kept giving scriptures and the other kept not wanting to accept it. Living a LIE 24/7 has to be hard.
Answer: Of course he does. He loves everyone.
Something stirs within me when someone can quote from scripture so well by memory and in the correct context. It’s so refreshing when the beloved cite the Word to support their stance rather than contort the Word to fit their stance.
Why stop there ur scriptures also advocate for child rape and slavery what does your spirit do with that verse?
@@kmtgoddess7793 where are these verses that you talk about?
Numbers 31 for starters
@@kmtgoddess77931."slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
" ppl chose THEMSELVES to be slaves for 7 years if they had debts and after paying their debts and they were free to walk away, MANY of them CHOSE to remain. This slavery is not the same as the one you re thinking of.
2."This passage needs to be read in context with the entire book of Numbers. The virgins and young girls were spared for a specific purpose-not for rape-but because they were innocent of the earlier crimes of the Midianites. In Numbers 25:1-2, we read that the Midianite women were culpable for seducing the Israelite men. This act was more than simply sleeping around. These men were seduced into Pagan worship, as a result (Num. 31:16-18). Remember, ancient Near Eastern worship was not an innocent or innocuous form of religious worship; it was a child-sacrificing abomination! For this reason, Dawkins (and other critics) apparently miss the point."
there are longer and more detailed explanations on google.This chapter must be read in context, as all Scripture must
@@OliviaXQ Christian's are all about blood sacrifices first of all to think that it would suddenly be a problem seems out. Secondly ur saying these virgins are not raped. How exactly do u think they check to see if these women are virgins. Thirdy in this time women were being hit at insanely low wages sum as young as 9 if you think there is not any chance that some of these girls were underage I dont know wat to tell u. This is an insane decree but when you match it up with gods wrath in the rest of the bible it all checks out. The jewish god is the leader of a fictional death cult.
She has indeed changed and is full of the Truth of God.......and very knowledgeable.
Yep!!
Glory to God 🙏🏾
Her biological trangenderedness was almost nil. It was a resistance to feminity in her own words. While his experience wasn’t so.
It’s not about switching on and off.
“Have eyes but not see, ears but cannot listen “ comes to mind. God is love.
This conversation between people who see things differently who were able to be respectful gave me hope. ❤️
This actually really warms my heart. I'm glad they were able to converse in this way. Very eye opening on both sides.
How deep is this lady?! She is able to answer difficult questions with such ease. I always battle to answer these questions when we have such discussions with friends.
That’s why videos like this are so helpful!
John 14 and 1 Corinthians 2. The Spirit definitely helps in those times of need
@@transgeek2345 thank you for your assistance ☺️ I will read those scriptures 😊
The Holy Spirit speaks through her. It’s amazing!
because she is a living testimony, we cant preach what we havent gone through.
"The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom."
Yes....
But as a chidren of god we are not supposed to fear him he wouldnt want us to fear him but i know what you mean and ure totaly right
I like how they labeled her as a Christian and him as a social entrepreneur
Highly likely to be how they each chose to represent themselves
Loved this so much, may God continue to use her in a mighty way to call more that are struggling with their identity.
Let's talk about this guy for second, he was absolutely willing to meet her and talk to her and you can see the love and compassion in his eyes. His open mindedness is his blessing.
amen! i hope God blesses him.
I agree, they were very mature to sit down and have this conversation.
He is mean mugging her lol
She*
As he has faith that God exists he was happy to sit down with someone in a similar position as himself. However, open minded is not always obedience. He may be listening but he is not obeying God. Woman states, "If you love me you will follow my commandments." He, as of this video, is not obeying. Prayers for him.
“If anyone wants to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and be following Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it. But whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."
Some people won't understand that Bible verse until their eyes are Spiritually opened.
It is a beautiful verse, thank you for sharing it with everyone! 🙏🏿😘💞❤️
And it’s sad that they won’t understand it. Like truly understand it. Bu once you open up your heart to God He will open up your eyes
@@whatzittooyah you understand it? Could you explain it?
@@Otic1913 then explain it please
Ashton is so poised and eloquent. Really enjoyed this conversation.
Final thoughts: There’s no such thing as personal truth
I am trans. I am atheist. I don't understand religion. But I quite appreciate the professional conversation. Its one of the only civilized gender conversations that I've seen.
Unlike these comments
You’re perfect just the way you are. Trans people are people. I don’t think God loves you any less.
@@Rocha7414 God will not stop loving you for your mistakes but the things that you do doesn’t glorify Him. And literally that is the only reason why we have life.
May you find Jesus
Jesus is there, at any place..
But He doesn't force people to love Him..
because It's our own will to follow Him..
We just have to be willing..
The "SINS" became the 'distance' of being away from HIS PRESENCE.. that's why we have to come into his presence and repent from our sins..
because sins will block the way..
JESUS is coming soon..
Find HIM while HE may be FOUND..
before its too late..
I'm a trans woman and was raised by two evangelists. So i feel for them both. And I'm sobbing now because I'm not sure how I'll go from here :((( God bless us all
Seek God first and He will guide you. If your heart is focused on Him then He will reveal all things to you. Amen, God Bless you. But it is no accident that you found this video.
I agree with Sherlock please seek God he will direct your path . God Bless You
Nice try for the theist trying to tell you how to live hehehe trans is trans lol haha
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽❤
bless you. I pray you have an encounter with God that's special TO YOU and only FOR YOU.
God loves both trans and ex trans, straights, queers, gays, lesbians, bi and so on. I think everyone walks and journeys differently. And the level of respect is amazing.
Yes, we are gonna find out judgement day.
@@controversial_7 And we aren't judges so we will be letting God do all the judging. :)
I would like to say even though God loves all of us even people from the lgbt community, he doesn’t love our sins. He would want us to practice his word and follow him as much as we can
@@meijosui Amen brethren! When we see wrong we must correct it.
@@smileybits7833 However, transgressions and iniquities are everyday and even Christians struggle to keep up the works. No Christians have fully grasped perfection either. I intend to follow God through his grace and by His word but we'll be lying to ourselves if we say we are free from sin even as a Christian. At least I know the Bible is full of grace and the Holy Spirit talks to Christians who are figuring out their gender. Figuring out an identity is not sin and I know God know us better than we know ourselves. When it comes to gender, you wonder whether you apply simply psychology and human as sin. If you knew the people in the LGBT community who came from a Christian upbringing, you'll know how much grace does speak to us. The comfort that God sent his Son to die for everyone in the world. Whilst the Bible does say it is a narrow road, not all christians will make it to heaven too. Christians who struggle with porn or backsliding cannot be lukewarm. Christ came down as a man to help us relate to God. Repentance is important, I know but it isn't an instant fix. Often I tell my church to pray for their enemies or rather the ideology opposition, including islam, LGBT, Chinese Government and so on. What would we say to them or evangelise to them. The thing is I identify as Bi, not because I had relationship with people that are male and female. It's because I have attraction to both genders. I did not choose those attractions and there is no lifestyle so to speak. It's just presently an attraction. It's still a hard topic to discuss because a lot of these attractions developed in my late teens. So if the Holy Spirit can help me live by God's will, I will let Him. I just find it hard that Christians would make an immediate judgment saying when people are LGBT christians, they are not repented and have not received grace. And no, praying the gay away is not the solution either. Pray that we can rejoice in Christ and be closer to him. Whatever repentance is fine but not target one identity and deem is as sin. Also I acknowledge it is a spiritual warfare and bringing people to Christ is crucial.
So encouraged by the lady in the pink and her faithful testimony. Praise the Lord!
😮😂
now that is what a WOMAN OF GOD looks like! wow, just amazed. amen.
This discussion is so wonderful. Both of them speak respectfully. No bashing. No judgment. And i loved how the lady is quoting the bible. 💕
Because they are both Christian.
We should always fight the enemy with "It is written". Laura anchored herself in the word, which is why she discovered who she is in Christ.
Shame the comment section couldn't take a note out of their book.
I genuinely enjoyed watching this and wish there were more discussions like this. You can have opposing views and still speak in love. This is what both of them did here.
God bless you both for not Fighting or arguing . Normally these videos become tense or awkard ! Y’all are a perfect example of how to address diff opinions etc
Leaning to your own understanding will make us fall short of the Glory. Our bodies are not actually ours. It's our Father's. Obedience is hard but doable.
eviticus 19:19
“You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.”
I really hope you never run around wearing a cotton / polyester sweater.
@@feliciaann721 That verse doesn't apply to us today. That was only for back then.
@@iKaleighCupcake so if god changes his mind on what is sinful how do you know what is considered a sin today? The Bible was written a while ago and according to you god just changes his mind on what people should and shouldn’t do every now and again.
@Xxxextinction or maybe it is because of all the mixed messages that people get from the Christian community. If Christians can't agree on things then how is anybody else supposed to have a better understanding of things?
@Xxxextinction if that's what you want to believe then that's fair enough I can respect that
What’s this? A jubilee like video with out toxic comment sections? Unheard of!
I think Jubilee has the same creators as this channel as well, I’m not 100% sure though
I find the opposite to be true.
This is a toxic comment section. It’s filled with extreme religious people who want the entire world to follow their rules.
@@wesleypoep4328 exactly. It’s funny that the whole concept of grace revolves around free will. That’s why there was choice in the garden and that’s why we get choice today, but religious church folk want to cram their one-sided, skewed beliefs down everyone’s throats. Like “you must conform to our exactness or you’re going to hell.” How un-Jesus.
@@wesleypoep4328 disagree. I don’t see strong language or shouting to people “YOU’RE GOING TO HELL!” I was formerly agnostic and many Christians I’ve encountered, online like this or real life have done nothing show me love in an un harsh manner.
Love how respectful this is!
That was absolutely beautiful. You could see the presence of God in her. To God be the Glory❤
The woman in pink is a true woman after God’s own heart. You can clearly see her joy and strength in the Lord Jesus. Praise God for fulfilling her and calling her to follow Him. He does want good for us and knows how to give it to us we just have to trust Him.
Funny, cause all I saw was someone who was brainwashed.
@@totalcontrol4205 As opposed to thinking or rather "feeling" you're something other than what you were born? 😂 Sure pal, you're smart.
@@totalcontrol4205 JESUS Loves you & HIS WORD is life and light to us and this fallen world.
Humble yourself, meditate and practice HIS Word, and flee from ALL sin.
JESUS died for your sins and there is no joy nor peace in self-righteousness, pride, blasphemy and idolatry.
HE will come again and we pray we see you in Heaven, but you need to be sealed with HIS Righteous Blood.
GOD Bless you ❤️
John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing. The Words that I speak to you are Spirit, and They are life.
2 Timothy 3:15-17
and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
This young lady is a beautiful example of what following the Word looks like. God bless her ❤
Our truth cannot be based on feelings!!! Feelings will always waver, but the Truth will always stand firm.🙌❤️❤️
wow that was such a beautiful conversation and just as they hugged each other in the end not just for show but love
This women in pink is really changed, God is amazing.
He sure is.
@@tennesseeminnissi2445 she was born female.
that’s not a good thing.
@@jamiecarson2896 why not?
@@gabym9830 She is clearly unhappy and lying to herself. She transitioned to make because that’s what felt right to her and that’s what she wanted deep down, now she is telling other trans people just like her, that they will go to hell because they did something that she did. It’s hypocritical
Seed is planted. God can do the rest. He has Ashton’s whole lifetime.
Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow
@@tylerdavis520 But God knows what will come tomorrow, hence Ashton’s whole Lifetime.
@@transgeek2345 so if God does all the work, are we just robots? Is everything just predetermined before we’re even born?
@@tylerdavis520 You're implying Laura did nothing in this video. She did a great deal in showing her "reasonabless" before others and testifying the truth of scripture.
@@transgeek2345 wasn’t really talking about that. I’m saying the other person could die tomorrow for all they know so there is no guaranteed lifetime for any human
Wow - hallelujah for you guys. I love the openness and reality. I love the ability to have a calm, open conversation about things we question to include where we fit in Gods plans and desires. I thank you guys so much for being open and honest with this. God bless you guys.
This is absolutely FANTASTIC! thank you for sharing!
Praise God for the woman in the pink! It is completely clear that she is in love with Christ.
Exactly! I loved how she used scripture to back up her responses, she really showed the love of Christ when she did that 💯.
the guy loves Christ too.
@@a.kamileon yes. However, I personally see the Holy Spirit within her. Unfortunately not within him. He is talking with his spirit (he even mentions it). She is communicating with the Holy Spirit. However, he is a nice loving guy. Most important: love eachother!!!
Laura sure did! She is a great witness against this move that seems to be flooding the world.
What about the other guy he’s a Christian too
God loves everyone. But just because he loves you doesn't mean what you're doing is right. End of story
He did say 1 John 2:4 he who say he knows me and keeps my comments is a liar. Also he Said John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Yes exactly! But never forget he still loves you
This is absolutely right.
She's lying to herself. She's usually confident in her pseudo-masculinity but loses confidence when faced with someone that's sees right through her. She was definitely chaffed by the idea that was brought up about always wondering if someone can tell she's really a girl. That person would be riddled with anxiety on a daily basis whenever meeting new people or confronted by genuine masculinity. Christ concern is not for your feelings, especially if it interferes with your sanctification. He doesn't want to see you, He wants to see Himself.
(YAH)God does not love everyone. Romans 9:13 kjv As it is written, Jacob I have loved but Esau have I hated. He is the GOD of the Israelites. Amos 3:1-2 and Acts 5:29-30. Possessive nouns were used. Just read Romans 9:1-15 kjv. Other translations leave out or change scriptures even though the bible says not to. The bible is black history.
I absolutely loved this conversation!!!! Can we please learn from this and have more civil calm conversations!!! This was....BEAUTIFUL!
This was a great conversation it’s not often that I can hear a conversation about being transgender and how it aligns with God’s Word without it ending up in an argument, so it was nice that they were able to get two mature people to speak on their opinions on it.
Ashton’s grandma did not speak the word. God doesn’t want you to just be a good person - we are called to glorify Him in all that we do. Goodness, Laura’s words were so respectful and absolutely correct. 👏🏻
That’s why it’s so important to read and not take someone else’s word for it - even if she’s your own grandmother! 📚❤️
@@unpersoning3117 absolutely!! My own grandmother preaches and I check her sermons with the Word consistently. If it’s not rooted in Christ, I don’t want it.
@@alittleoflolo 🎯
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 sad but true
AMEN!!!
LGBTQ believers have such a cross to bare. I can’t imagine the spiritual battle that must go on internally for them. Jesus said take up your cross and follow me, deny yourself and repent. The Bible is Truth.
What a cross to bare.
Hum, I don't think that they have a greater fight than other people to win. They just have to accept. I was gay, God came in my life, I wanted to serve him and yet still continue to be in relationship with boys. But, the Holy Spirit convinced me so hard, that I decided to renounce my old life. At the begining, it was easy for me to walk with Christ but the more I wanted to get closer to God and sanctified myself the more "forces" and "lies" were trying to bring me back into my old life... BUT the Key, the KEY to stay and rest in God and to be victorious in all is to realize, to get the "rhema" that you are really dead at sin, dead at the world. And that now, you are ONE with God himself and that it's no longer you who live but Christ who lives in you.
Amen :D
@@willyekouRGT What a wonderful testimony! I’m so glad you did what many think is impossible. May God overflow your home with blessings like the house of Abraham, and may the presence of the Lord overflow your heart with eternal joy. God bless you!
@@willyekouRGT I'm a gay guy too. I'm glad that were not alone.
@@jesuslovesme3249 but I was, I am not anymore
I've thought the same thing a few days ago... it must be so very tough 🥺❤🙏🏼 I've especially learnt how being a Christian is submitting to God, and that means submitting EVERYTHING to Him. ALL of our needs and desires. Give it up to Him, it's by no means easy at all but that's what we've got to do. I have so much respect for this lady in pink. God is definitely using her!
I appreciate the respect they both had for each other.
Omg. This I enjoyed. I really loved that they both listened to each other and more so for the trans man. I love when people can remain calm under scrutiny.
I love how she explained her story so beautifully within a few sentences not that I wouldn't have minded her story being longer and she explains things perfectly
Dang sis was memorizing whole Bible passages 😭😭 I aspire to be like that
just absorb scripture daily and apply it to your life. eventually it’ll be wired into your subconscious and you’ll be able to 👍🏼
I find you everywhere
@Instagram Ts_jazzmine the Bible does not condone slavery it has constantly been debunked. It’s just a bunch of atheists who took a few scriptures out of context, didn’t know what the difference between the old and New Testament was, never thought to research and spewed a bunch of nonsense. And that’s coming from an ex atheist who actually did research
@Instagram Ts_jazzmine actually people with your mindset think that because they keep looking at Leviticus. The Bible talks about gays MULTIPLE times in the Bible. It doesn’t specifically mention homosexuality because the WORD didn’t exist. The MEANING did.
journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146107915577097?journalCode=btba
But, as an ex atheist, I know my old people. You will always think you know more about the Bible than the people that live by it. Even when you’re painfully and obviously wrong
@Instagram Ts_jazzmine slavery in the Bible exists but is not promoted. God never promoted it nor did he encourage it. People owned slaves after wars and had “slaves” which were paid workers...
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People use love as a weapon. You can use a glass bottle as a weapon. It only shows the person failed to use it for its intended purpose. Not that the item is bad
Also, I’m assuming you’re above 18? Are you capable of an intellectual conversation at all? I mean, I know atheists are intolerant an hateful. I used to be one. But goodness woman
These comments are so fascinating to me... Majority are praising the woman who compared being transgender to being a child in a Winnie the Pooh costume for being "so respectful" but she literally said to him "you intend to present as the opposite of what God created you" and that he was "basing his identity on feelings" - Meanwhile he never judged her or said "you think" or "you feel" in regard to her experiences. He used only "I" in his testimony. He expressed that he believes God knows the intention of a transgender person's heart. Her opinion is that of the majority. How do people not see this was not an even or "respectful" discussion, just because no one yelled?
To their view, if you are talking about God no matter what is said and they agree with that mindset of God then it's respectful. But when it's clear you are not a Christian here's where it gets complicated because a lot of no matter what you are being hateful towards the Christian. The so-called trans person is talking more from a perspective of they believe in God and being open to what they're saying. It is more about accepting what I say mentality or you're being hateful. At least that's what I have experienced from a number of Christian discussions. It's a mindset of submitting to what I say God wants.