Is an Electric V8 Engine a Good Idea?

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 4 лис 2022
  • Go to establishedtitles.com/THEACTI... and help support the channel. They are now running a massive sale, plus 10% off on any purchase with code THEACTIONLAB. Thanks to Established Titles for sponsoring this video!
    The Engine I used in the video: www.enginediy.com/products/v8...
    I show you an electric V8 engine vs a gas powered V8 engine. I talk about how an electric V8 engine may not be the best idea for an electric engine
    Shop the Action Lab Science Gear here: theactionlab.com/
    Checkout my experiment book: amzn.to/2Wf07x1
    Twitter: / theactionlabman
    Facebook: / theactionlabofficial
    Instagram: / therealactionlab
    Snap: / 426771378288640
    Tik Tok: / theactionlabshorts
  • Наука та технологія

КОМЕНТАРІ • 1,3 тис.

  • @TheActionLab
    @TheActionLab  Рік тому +712

    I should mention that since the model 3, Teslas use Reluctance motors (IPMSynRM). So teslas can have AC induction motors and reluctance motors. IPMSynRM are really cool in how they work. I want to do a whole video on them.

    • @westonding8953
      @westonding8953 Рік тому +20

      Can’t wait for that video! Always wanted to know how a Tesla works beyond the standard electric motor!

    • @michaelharrison1093
      @michaelharrison1093 Рік тому +28

      I would challenge one comment that you made about ICEs which is a very commonly held misconception....
      In a typical automobile the peak efficiency of the ICE is typically about 35% however the average efficiency based on how you actually use them will be much lower than this.
      With such low efficiency many people wrongly assume the translation from a linear to rotation motion must surely be a major contributing loss and this wrong assumption has been the starting assumption for a plethora of very complex alternative ICE designs.
      If you do the analysis it turns out that the actual mechanical loss in converting the linear to rotational motion is less than 1% hence you can't use it as an argument for explaining why you typically get less than 20% efficiency from your dinosaur burner under the hood of your car.

    • @TheActionLab
      @TheActionLab  Рік тому +38

      @@michaelharrison1093 Very interesting. I’d like to see that analysis if you have a source! Also besides efficiency you can realize a lot of other problems with having to convert linear motion into rotational. It necessarily requires a lot of moving parts. So I think the efficiency is only part of the problem.

    • @fullofbullets58
      @fullofbullets58 Рік тому +7

      @@TheActionLab hey man I want you to know I've been subbed to you since you had about 200k subs and your videos are amazing, thank you for them!

    • @realkanavdhawan
      @realkanavdhawan Рік тому +5

      What I know that Tesla S model used Induction then they use Permanent Magnet and now using hybrid of PM and Reluctnace motor which is IMSynRM

  • @Sadenshard
    @Sadenshard Рік тому +789

    It may not be terribly efficient, but it is an interesting way to demonstrate on how a gasoline engine works, without the limitations in models that use fuel.

    • @JiltedValkyrie
      @JiltedValkyrie Рік тому +15

      Watching UA-cam is not either, but enjoyment is important too.

    • @animesloversunited9069
      @animesloversunited9069 Рік тому

      @@JiltedValkyrie 😂

    • @TheFreeBass
      @TheFreeBass Рік тому +10

      No. The only relation this has to a gas engine is that it shows pistons go up & down. There is so much more going on with the pistons alone (let alone the rest of the engine) that isn't shown that makes this demonstration about as useful as using a kite to explain an airplane.
      Cool toy though.

    • @garethbaus5471
      @garethbaus5471 Рік тому

      @@JiltedValkyrie it depends greatly on your goal, UA-cam can often be a relatively good source for entry level instructional material for most subjects if you know the right keywords.

    • @djneo92nl
      @djneo92nl Рік тому

      There are small model sets that use an electric motor. Basically a starter motor to turn the crank and everything realistically. There pretty cool and don’t need fuel

  • @blueredbrick
    @blueredbrick Рік тому +1478

    Good idea? No, but it's surely very entertaining and educational!
    Yep, loved it as always.

    • @minzugaming
      @minzugaming Рік тому +3

      Well nice engineering but not practical. But maybe it has an element to it? I think he forgot to mention this. Magnets lose their magnetism overtime but electric magnet? I think that's a great idea just like the Maglev. Electric Magnet + Engine Design = great source of power. Of course it's not perpetual but it can run very much that long. Action Lab did a great job in making the model of this!

    • @claytonj2024
      @claytonj2024 Рік тому +2

      I think that having an electric engine would be an incredible accomplishment for the automotive industry because of a certain type of people that EVs do not impress: Car Enthusiasts. while many would say that car enthusiasts will always love the latest stuff, they don't, they would much rather hold on to the legacy that the automotive industry has made (specifically with an engine method, not electric motors), and I think that if there was a car out there with an electric engine, the Car Community would appreciate it much more since it does its best to be what they see as part of the legacy of cars.

    • @claytonj2024
      @claytonj2024 Рік тому +1

      Do keep in mind that not all enthusiasts think that EVs are dumb, I'm just saying that they don't prefer EVs to Gas Cars.

    • @m3sca1
      @m3sca1 Рік тому

      ... but you could retrofit a petrol engine with this idea😁👍

    • @dorvinion
      @dorvinion Рік тому

      ​@@claytonj2024 I don't see how this would help.
      It would make it unnecessarily complex, still probably wouldn't match up well with a manual gearbox, and even if it did, the performance you get out of it would almost certainly be well below what you get from a conventional motor attached to a single speed gearbox

  • @MushookieMan
    @MushookieMan Рік тому +1036

    Besides the efficiency and complexity reason: electric motors offer a precisely controllable torque, which allows for better handling. Using reciprocating solenoids would remove that benefit.

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 Рік тому +69

      Exactly, More noise less efficient and overley mechanically complex.

    • @AmritGrewal31
      @AmritGrewal31 Рік тому +152

      ​@@dogwalker666 hence fulfilling the basic requirements of American muscle cars

    • @roseCatcher_
      @roseCatcher_ Рік тому +30

      @@dogwalker666 What if I am stupid but I love the noise, what then?

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 Рік тому +24

      @@roseCatcher_ We can install some nice speakers in the car.

    • @rishabhkr.1063
      @rishabhkr.1063 Рік тому +5

      @@roseCatcher_ then get a V8 right now

  • @gacattack1234
    @gacattack1234 Рік тому +73

    By reversing polarity you could make each cylinder pull on upward stroke and push on downward for more torque.

    • @lostinseganet
      @lostinseganet Рік тому +6

      Cool Idea bro.

    • @TheNuclearBolton
      @TheNuclearBolton Рік тому +2

      Wouldn’t that slow the crankshaft or skew the timing of the engine?

    • @yourmommmmmm1481
      @yourmommmmmm1481 Рік тому +1

      @@TheNuclearBolton It would work if you fired 4 of the 8 pistons at the same time like in that model. That way while half the pistons are being pulled to the top, the others are being pushed down at the same time. However like he said you don’t usually want to fire multiple pistons at the same time.

    • @vitorstreetboys
      @vitorstreetboys 10 місяців тому

      boys have penis and girls have vagina

    • @paradiselost9946
      @paradiselost9946 9 місяців тому +2

      pffft. how typical. how imaginative.
      how about making the piston from an iron slug, place the coil at the midway point, wrap a single copper ring around the piston, then simply slam some power through the coil when the slug is in the middle, so the crank is at 90 degrees, with maximum torque, and the induced current in the copper ring causes a repulsion that forces the piston down? and up on the return stroke. and you can also have coils top and bottom to fill in the other two half strokes.
      attraction sucks. repulsion kicks arse.
      then the return spike of the collapsing magnetic field from the coil being de-energised can be captured into a capacitor and recycled, but thats silly talk.

  • @scottbaileymsc
    @scottbaileymsc Рік тому +84

    The sound explanation fascinated me. I never even thought of it like that before but that is so cool to learn

  • @nugboy420
    @nugboy420 Рік тому +284

    The engine sound simulation was amazing. Even tho it’s a wood block sound, it still sounded like “American Muscle” 😂

    • @DFPercush
      @DFPercush Рік тому +11

      If you like that, check out AngeTheGreat

    • @nugboy420
      @nugboy420 Рік тому +1

      @@DFPercush never heard of it. Is it good?

    • @DFPercush
      @DFPercush Рік тому +9

      @@nugboy420 just type it in the search bar, dude made an engine simulator

    • @nugboy420
      @nugboy420 Рік тому +3

      @@DFPercush thanks I’ll do that now I’m still up and need something to settle down and fall asleep lol.

    • @nugboy420
      @nugboy420 Рік тому +1

      @@DFPercush I did check it out btw. And yesss

  • @bftruly
    @bftruly Рік тому +201

    Instead of turning off the coil, you can reverse the polarity, so you have power transfer in both directions the piston travels.

    • @sdspivey
      @sdspivey Рік тому +18

      If you look at the LEDs in slow motion, you can see they alternate. They are being reversed.

    • @osmacar5331
      @osmacar5331 Рік тому +6

      Still wasted energy, electric stuff just needs an ESC this is just wasting effort where and engine produces mechanical energy from chemical energy.

    • @b-beluga4510
      @b-beluga4510 Рік тому +7

      @@osmacar5331 in that too energy gets wasted as heat

    • @handblitz4408
      @handblitz4408 Рік тому +5

      @@sdspivey no those are there to show what the valves would be doing in a real gasoline engine

    • @camerapasteurize7215
      @camerapasteurize7215 Рік тому +14

      @@osmacar5331 Dude it's a proof of concept video. He's not trying to revolutionize the engine, he's showing a cool scientific design and explaining why it's inefficient.

  • @ViggaTron
    @ViggaTron Рік тому +54

    I really appreciate the sound to better understand the differing pattens for the piston rotation.

  • @moopoo8841
    @moopoo8841 Рік тому +25

    I would be down for this. It would be the solution to making an electric car with a cool sound and a manual transmission

    • @agoogleuser2619
      @agoogleuser2619 Рік тому +8

      Im pretty sure that you can add a transmission straight to a electric motor. They don't do it because now everyone uses automatic transmission. I would LOVE a manual electric car.

    • @gergonagy3679
      @gergonagy3679 Рік тому +2

      @@agoogleuser2619 Not everyone. Maybe in the usa. But there are many other countries around the world where that isn't a problem to shift gears.

    • @22lrjayden81
      @22lrjayden81 6 місяців тому

      @@gergonagy3679nah not in the usa bro theres alot of manual drivers here

    • @Silverwind87
      @Silverwind87 2 місяці тому

      The oil companies would have your head.

  • @MDaDonLegacy
    @MDaDonLegacy Рік тому +11

    I remember drawing this idea out as a kid. I had the vision, amazing to see it in use.

  • @subdynoman
    @subdynoman Рік тому +10

    The most practical application would be for replacement of old gas engines that use a standard clutch. This will allow for some similarities to a combustion engine and would give you different variations of torque and efficiency curves. Which could all be done by a rotor based motor and electronics with complex algorithm and sensors. I kinda want to know what a powerful solenoid base reciprocating motor would behave like. It might be worth the trouble.

  • @piconano
    @piconano Рік тому +31

    I saw a 4 cylinder kit back in 1998. It didn't have flashing LEDs and was build around a Basic Stamp as the controller.

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 Рік тому +1

      those will work more reliably like a Toyota

    • @jhoughjr1
      @jhoughjr1 Рік тому

      I aint heard that name in a while. My school was passing them out during my time there for arduinos.

  • @SC-kd5ln
    @SC-kd5ln Рік тому +20

    its very awesome that more and more youtubers are getting interested in the car industry to make cool videos about them, I thought James would make a video like this and he finally did

  • @black_dragon-carpentry
    @black_dragon-carpentry Рік тому +14

    Would love to see this scaled up. What was the power consumption vs standard electrical motor at same level?

  • @gabedarrett1301
    @gabedarrett1301 Рік тому

    I've always wondered about this! Thank your for the simple explanation!

  • @deanlawson6880
    @deanlawson6880 Рік тому +71

    Huh.. That's totally fascinating!! Did you build this electric V8 for this episode of the The Action lab??
    I'd be very interested to see some detailed testing of this interesting electric V8 to see what kind of actual performance stats it has, That would be really fascinating. I bet you could really do some fine tuning on this design and increase efficiency and power output.
    While rotary electric motors may be simpler and less mechanically complex, it would just be really cool and novel to make a functioning electric V8 car just to say you did and cruise around in it and show it off.

    • @MyHandleIsGood
      @MyHandleIsGood Рік тому +6

      Looked more like a kit, although if he did build it himself, that would say a lot.
      *I just checked the description and it has a link to the kit that you can buy.

    • @deanlawson6880
      @deanlawson6880 Рік тому +3

      @@MyHandleIsGood I just think that would be the coolest thing to build - for real.
      Like start with a real lightweight aluminum block V8 engine (from a wreck or wherever), and rebuild the cylinder heads just like in this little plastic kit. You would have to custom machine "pistons" from big huge magnetic blocks of material, and probably sleeve the heads with teflon sleeves or something else really slippery. I just wonder how well that would work, and what kind of power it would consume and what kind of power/torque you could get out of it. Hmmm....

    • @TheActionLab
      @TheActionLab  Рік тому +21

      I didn't build it. I put the link in the description where I bought it. It would be very cool to build a more powerful version of this one

    • @humanistwriting5477
      @humanistwriting5477 Рік тому +3

      @@deanlawson6880 you could easily exceed the maximum tourqe of the original engine.
      Very very easily.

    • @TragoudistrosMPH
      @TragoudistrosMPH Рік тому +1

      @@TheActionLab my cousin is 15 and interested in this tech. Do you have a similar Action Lab kit?

  • @fumme
    @fumme Рік тому +7

    Beside efficiency
    This one is so freaking cool for an rc car, they're so damn cool

  • @matthewenglund3502
    @matthewenglund3502 Рік тому +1

    This is a great sponsor and I bought my wife and I some land in Scotland for our anniversary ! We just got back from there and love it dearly and this is a great way to help preserve it and have some fun too. Thanks for helping me out with a cool gift😅

    • @matthewenglund3502
      @matthewenglund3502 Рік тому

      @Edward Elizabeth Hitler You're welcome and my pleasure honestly. It is the most beautiful place filled with more kind and friendly people that I have seen on Earth so far. I literally cried when it was time to leave.

  • @enginediy
    @enginediy Рік тому +2

    Great explanation, the video is very well done and very educational, I love your videos

  • @bledlbledlbledl
    @bledlbledlbledl Рік тому +5

    used to have an old DC electric motor that sounded a little like that, but it was because the bearings were so worn out that the armature was wobbling

  • @paulsscooter
    @paulsscooter Рік тому +4

    You said in the video the electromagnet attracts the magnetic piston. It looks like the two leds on top of the cylinders flash once each, and at slightly different times. I would guess that the first led flash attracts the piston and the (other) second led flash repels the piston. It makes more sense to me this way giving it twice the power.

    • @kreynolds1123
      @kreynolds1123 Рік тому +1

      Power is limited by amps × coil resistance / period of time to dissipate watts of heat.
      Powering on the push and pull has current flowing through the coils twice as long reducing the max current to 1/2 of where one has current flowing half the time at twice the current. Just saying one can get the same max power using 1/2 a cycle
      And doing power on 1/2 a cycle allow one to use cheap steal piston rather than expensive temperature sensitive magnets that loose their magnetic strength over time.

    • @Tsudico
      @Tsudico Рік тому +1

      While one LED could be directly powered, the other one might be lit using the movement of the magnet in the solenoid via inductance alone. It would create a more powerful engine to both push and pull the magnet, but I think it was an attempt to be as similar to a combustion engine as possible by having only one powered portion of the cycle.

    • @TheActionLab
      @TheActionLab  Рік тому +3

      @@Tsudico I believe that you are right. I think that one LED is showing the switch off due to induction of the magnet. I think it only has one powered portion according to the short description from the manufacturer.

  • @micahmurphy4546
    @micahmurphy4546 Рік тому +1

    This has been a hell of an informative video

  • @henryreusch6313
    @henryreusch6313 Рік тому

    This was so damn nice to watch! Thanks again ❤

  • @GrahammdYT
    @GrahammdYT Рік тому +5

    It could work as a conversion kits for existing V8 and V6 engines. Could also save thousands of engine assembly jobs and factories. Would be a great alternative for people who don't want to give up their ICE for full electric. Might work better for energy recapture/recharging. Not a totally awful idea.

    • @taylorgall9516
      @taylorgall9516 Рік тому

      And have like a a few hp car? And add a few thousand pounds of batteries lmao
      Its not at all a possibility if you didn't know

  • @greatPretender79
    @greatPretender79 Рік тому +5

    Particularly interesting one.. I never thought about the losses when converting linear to rotational motion (especially when the rod is farthest away from a 90⁰ angle to the crank).

    • @giovanniquargentan6198
      @giovanniquargentan6198 Рік тому +1

      Because there aren't actually any losses due to that

    • @KaiserTom
      @KaiserTom Рік тому +10

      @@giovanniquargentan6198 Except there are because the connecting rod is the same length throughout its movement. When it hits 90 degrees, the piston has traveled about 55% of the way down the bore, rather than 50%. This causes uneven forces throughout the movement of the piston, the piston moves faster in the first half of the stroke than the second half. This is secondary engine imbalance. And the connecting rod is stealing power from the crankshaft, from the other pistons, to do this in both halves to make up for those imbalanced forces. The engine is vibrating rather than delivering force to the wheels, which is energy loss.
      Balancing shafts can be used to reduce this imbalance, but it's a treatment to overall engine vibration, not a cure to the root issue, and does nothing to treat vibrations experienced by the crankshaft itself. You have to fix the connecting rod to fix this inefficiency.

    • @HeyChickens
      @HeyChickens Рік тому

      @@KaiserTom Thanks. Very interesting information there. I would love to learn more about this.

    • @giovanniquargentan6198
      @giovanniquargentan6198 Рік тому

      @@KaiserTom you are correct, there are some losses in vibration, BUT they are very very minimal. I suggest you check the replies under the pinned comment of action lab, i gave a much more detailed explanation, also there's a guy named "michael harrison" who also explained it correctly.

    • @giovanniquargentan6198
      @giovanniquargentan6198 Рік тому

      @@HeyChickens check out the channel "driving 4 answers", he's a nice guy who knows what he's talking about

  • @d-phoenix2198
    @d-phoenix2198 Рік тому +1

    I was thinking of this kind of engine 2 years ago in highschool. I didn't expect for someone to actually make it. Nice!

  • @benjamindemontgomery6317
    @benjamindemontgomery6317 Рік тому

    im so glad i got your Chanel, you put out excellent content. Thanks.

  • @christmassnow3465
    @christmassnow3465 Рік тому +7

    Would this configuration have a niche application? I mean, a real practical use.
    For instance, a straight-forward electric compressor would be something like an electric motor powering a piston compressor. However, we could make this process much simpler if a solenoid powers the compressor piston directly.

    • @James-wd9ib
      @James-wd9ib Рік тому

      Well, the other way around, if you have a communal crankshaft of X length, the public can add/subtract modular motors to use it's energy and/or dynamos to add to it's momentum, like energy buyback for electric vehicle parking lots or whatnot

  • @AaronSchwarz42
    @AaronSchwarz42 Рік тому +6

    To get a cool V8 sound, the idea can be hybridized. An actual combustion engine with magnetic pistons, that uses real fuel, where the cylinder wall wrapped in electric coils that assist the piston, to make a hybrid electric gasoline or diesel engine with E-boost assist, that can turn the fuel off & run in full electric modes with lower output for low load highway cruise, when going down hills, to recover energy to charge the vehicle battery with regenerated energy

    • @dobber43
      @dobber43 Рік тому +2

      I mean if you could do something like that and reduce the overall force required to push the pistons you could get higher rpms with same amount of wear maybe more of a race thing then an efficiency thing

    • @TransverseMeta
      @TransverseMeta Рік тому

      Actually we can use this configuration to assist internal combustion engine meaning boosting the overall power of the engine without much issue and for the same volume of engine

    • @kamisama9715
      @kamisama9715 Рік тому +1

      This is all very impossible sounding. The magnets on the piston will get demagnetized in the extreme environment, and considering the cylinder is metal, the magnetic fields won't even go through to the other side to energize the coils. The best way to go about this would be to attach an electric motor to the engine output shaft through a clutch and using it as a motor/alternator as needed. In other words, a regular hybrid car.

    • @paradiselost9946
      @paradiselost9946 9 місяців тому

      @@kamisama9715 one. why are there magnets anyway.
      two, i use ferrite magnets to hold tungsten carbide tips as i braze them. they get red hot and stay magnetic.
      three. why magnets again?
      last time i looked inside an induction motor, i found zero magnets.
      thing is... this whole video, this comment thread, these replies... are an example of stuck in the rut thinking. complete misunderstanding of how basic machinery that powers our everyday lives actually works. complete inability to look at things from a new angle a different perspective.
      i can get a 50mm ferrite slug to repel from a coil with 10A at 12v. it can create 12T of pressure. i use no MAGNETS. i tried figuring out gauss and webers and oesterd once but wow, that stuff just makes it all seem confusing and obscures the simplicity... its for professors to teach, not for people to actually understand and use in practical things. there is no easy way to correlate "so many turns of wire at so many amperes makes a field this strong that can lift so many kg of a ferrous material". its all obfuscated and made ridiculously complex.
      easier to just fiddle with bits of wire and some logic and use a strain gauge.
      how much pressure can you get onto a crankpin with a traditional combustion event in a piston engine, with a 50mm piston?
      take 100bar to be the maximum pressure available, at TDC, when the crank cant really do much... and remember, thast only a brief spike, its well below that by half stroke...
      so how much torque could i get with my 12T on the same crankpin? when its at 90 degrees rather than TDC?
      and i can dump that power pretty fast... and it comes back when i turn the coil off!

  • @offgridas
    @offgridas Рік тому +2

    Plenty of us are more interested in the novelty than efficiency or power, so I think it's a pretty cool idea personally. It'd actually be "fairly easy" to convert an ice to this. You could use the same rotating assembly, slap coils where the pistons were, ditch the head, etc

  • @muhiburrehman5818
    @muhiburrehman5818 Рік тому

    Yes its incredible...i too have this idea so hopeful for future for this tecnology.

  • @hillbillywisdom777
    @hillbillywisdom777 Рік тому +4

    Very cool to watch, but too many moving parts non-efficient and will wear out too quickly.
    But like I said it's very fun to watch.

    • @moabman6803
      @moabman6803 Рік тому

      I see very few moving parts.

    • @drakon489a
      @drakon489a Рік тому

      @@moabman6803 (piston (plus 3 rings), arm, crank)x8+2 bearings.
      Technically this would be fewer moving parts as you don't need camshafts, I think you can reduce the coolant flow with this design, but you'd still need oil flow. no need for a fuel pump...

  • @jameshoffman552
    @jameshoffman552 Рік тому +15

    3:40 "A Tesla uses an induction motor" Teslas used induction motors until the Model 3, whose IPMSynRM (Internal Permanent Magnet Synchronous Reluctance Motor) has since propagated back to the other models, to include the carbon-sleeved-rotor variant revealed during the 2021 Plaid event.

  • @vizuren
    @vizuren Рік тому

    Very good and educational. Nice vid.

  • @dem0nchild610
    @dem0nchild610 Рік тому

    I just can't give up that purr of a V8 and you throw a 6pack on top amazing

  • @ChainsawFPV
    @ChainsawFPV Рік тому +3

    It would be cool to see a full size one anyway.

  • @Ka0sNinja117
    @Ka0sNinja117 Рік тому +6

    Nice video with a good explanation! But please ditch Established Titles!

  • @970357ers
    @970357ers Рік тому +2

    I like the balance of the HUP followed by a V8 video.

  • @Durkhead
    @Durkhead Рік тому +2

    It would be cool if you could do both have the magnet and the spark pushing the piston

  • @banditeastlick2471
    @banditeastlick2471 Рік тому +15

    This is the motor that will drive us to the stone ages

    • @banditeastlick2471
      @banditeastlick2471 Рік тому

      @@whatnut made in the USA used to be on every single thing that you bought and we were the strongest country on the globe. They put a media blackout on AIDS for 20 years, they put a media blackout on how farmers and everybody else used hydrogen from Water by using their ohm meter and generator on the vehicles and equipment. First came the part, carburetor and fuel injections, then came the gas stations. Before the gas stations and carburetors, everything was H2O

    • @banditeastlick2471
      @banditeastlick2471 Рік тому

      @@whatnut every combustionable engine can run off of hydrogen. I'm talking about using 1880s technology also. No spacecraft, just ancient primitive science

    • @ericbeltrami2718
      @ericbeltrami2718 Рік тому +2

      @@banditeastlick2471 no thanks. If it comes down to it I'm going to go to the local junkyard and grab as many old tires I can, heat those babies up to about 800 Degrees and convert them to fuel oil through pyrolysis, then I thank you distill that oil at about 160 to 200° Celsius and it vaporizes all the hydrocarbons into a fine liquid AKA combustible fuel that can run a gas engine. You would have to add a little bit of the fuel oil to the distilled mixture to up the octane for a gas motor. I've seen them doing this in Rwanda, they literally distill gasoline and Diesel using old tires, all that's left is the steel built from the tire and ash. I spent 15 years looking for a 1992 Mazda MX3 Grand Sport with its quad cam v6. I'll be damned if a bunch of hippies are going to stop me from driving my car.

    • @banditeastlick2471
      @banditeastlick2471 Рік тому

      @@ericbeltrami2718 when the SHTF do you really think you will make it with the footprint that will create? I will send you to a link to hippie that will show you how easy it is to run off of hydrogen. It's buried in my "truth is freedom" playlist

    • @drakon489a
      @drakon489a Рік тому

      @@banditeastlick2471 Hydrogen? not without reprograming the computer to handle the change in fuel density and refitting the fuel injectors. Ethanol would be an easier replacement.

  • @mihan2d
    @mihan2d Рік тому +4

    There is actually one modern V8 which has this same up-down-up-down crank profile like on this solenoid engine, I believe on the 2014 Mustang Shelby

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 Рік тому +2

      Flatplane

    • @mihan2d
      @mihan2d Рік тому

      @@lasskinn474 Flatplane is up-down-down-up, whereas on Shelby it's up-down-up-down aimed to achieve the benefits of a typical flatplane V8 while keeping the roar of a crossplane V8

    • @jareknowak8712
      @jareknowak8712 Рік тому

      @@mihan2d
      Yes, You are right.
      But it is still a flatplane.

  • @ponderin
    @ponderin Рік тому +2

    I swear I designed this very motor back my senor year in 12. Spent a year on it and it was an amazing motor. Used the 3cylinder tractor motor to build from. Currently use it on a homemade go cart

    • @mixxedboyybuilds8273
      @mixxedboyybuilds8273 Рік тому

      You should definitely make videos

    • @ponderin
      @ponderin Рік тому +1

      @Edward Elizabeth Hitler granted mine was a bit different. Custom head with eltromagnets inplace of valves. Once the distributor lit up the magnet it pulled up on the piston which had a fixed magnet. By sending current thru two magnets on the head I could push pull the pistons. By putting in a potentiometer I could controll the force of the magnets.

    • @nickgriffin5835
      @nickgriffin5835 2 місяці тому

      Where you able to hook an alternator and a battery to it?

  • @phillipsfilms8023
    @phillipsfilms8023 4 місяці тому

    The fact that this man was able to explain just exactly how different firing orders make distinct sounds blows my mind

  • @leolin6009
    @leolin6009 Рік тому +45

    James: The V8 engine has 8 pistons so it has a lot of power.
    V12 has joined the chat

  • @tilldeathdoesmepart
    @tilldeathdoesmepart Рік тому +3

    Ive had this idea for 12 years... Can't believe I'm actually seeing a working model

  • @fuzznut25
    @fuzznut25 Рік тому

    Awesome vid man

  • @mr.plinkettiv55
    @mr.plinkettiv55 Рік тому

    Ponytail is coming in nicely my man.

  • @Iky70
    @Iky70 Рік тому +13

    This video: is making an electric v8 engine a good idea? No. But you can buy a piece of land and become a lord or lady. Thanks for watching.😊

    • @DFPercush
      @DFPercush Рік тому +1

      I'm still waiting for someone to go try to claim their 1 sq ft of land and just stand there like "this is mine!" lol

    • @SmallSpoonBrigade
      @SmallSpoonBrigade Рік тому

      @@DFPercush Good luck building a castle on it with the typical setback requirements. Perhaps they could build a moat?

    • @DFPercush
      @DFPercush Рік тому

      @@SmallSpoonBrigade The tadpoles will protect meeee

  • @wictimovgovonca320
    @wictimovgovonca320 Рік тому +4

    No, it is not a good idea, but it sure is a cool one. I've got to make one of those, but with a [mechanically] programable distributor so I can play with firing order.

  • @sepistedi3737
    @sepistedi3737 8 місяців тому

    Very awesome project man! I've been wondering the most efficient marine propulsion system. Would love to see if solenoid powered whale tail propulsion could do the trick!

  • @alxade6698
    @alxade6698 Рік тому

    you totally read my mind, I wanted to see if this would work.

  • @magnumsalyer
    @magnumsalyer Рік тому +4

    When I first started watching the video i was like "hey, yeah why don't we use those!?" Then I came to my senses 😅

  • @th0master
    @th0master Рік тому +7

    4:04 that’s exactly what I hate (and love) the most about my Tesla 😭😭
    I hate it because when I quickly accelerate, the car is just completely silent, no aggressive engine roar.
    But I love it because when going 100-130 it’s still quiet, sure you still have the noise from the wind, the other cars around you and the tires going over the asfalt, but it’s quiet and peaceful.

    • @currycel470
      @currycel470 Рік тому +2

      It must feel like toy when you can't feel power building up 😂.

    • @poiu477
      @poiu477 Рік тому

      But how do I do a pops and bangs tune on a tesla?!?!?!

    • @OutOfNameIdeas2
      @OutOfNameIdeas2 Рік тому

      @@currycel470 it does. The throttle feeling is garbage.

    • @arc8218
      @arc8218 Рік тому

      That the point of EV but i get what u mean though
      Still can't escape from those beautiful engine roar

    • @w04h
      @w04h Рік тому +1

      I find it ironic that petrolheads downplay EVs to mere toys only for them to cry about them not having sound they wanna hear right after.

  • @vexcels823
    @vexcels823 Рік тому +1

    Horribly efficient but a good way to demonstrate the mechanics of an engine and electromagnets

  • @matthewguin5751
    @matthewguin5751 5 місяців тому

    I have a model sketch of this same concept but there is a power generation on the shaft of the piston that makes ac current or in the crankshaft that boosts power generated

  • @HelloKittyFanMan.
    @HelloKittyFanMan. Рік тому +12

    But before I even finish watching I have to ask this question: Why would this possibly be better than any comparably sized traditional electric motor?
    Now to see what you'll say about that in the rest of the video....

    • @falkez1514
      @falkez1514 Рік тому +4

      only benefit i can think of is the power/size ratio which isnt even that much better
      V engines are super cool tho lol

    • @HelloKittyFanMan.
      @HelloKittyFanMan. Рік тому +5

      @@falkez1514: Nope, because the power/size ratio is already MUCH better with just a standard motor, doii.
      But yeah, this is cool as just some kind of novelty thing.

    • @HelloKittyFanMan.
      @HelloKittyFanMan. Рік тому

      UPDATE to my OP: Yep, my guess was right; there is no benefit of this over purely rotational motors. Otherwise they probably would've been in development already.

    • @falkez1514
      @falkez1514 Рік тому +1

      @@HelloKittyFanMan. yea its just some cool idea i guess lol

  • @Dreigo42
    @Dreigo42 Рік тому +3

    Could be a relatively inexpensive way to convert combustion cars to electronic without having to replace the entire drive train. Bolt right up to the existing transmissions.

    • @sinisterthoughts2896
      @sinisterthoughts2896 Рік тому

      Not whatsoever.

    • @Nbomber
      @Nbomber Рік тому

      Its a cool idea, and an idea many of us have thought about. But its really a gimmick. Plus, itd be orders of magnitude simpler and easier to bolt a regular motor to a transmission

  • @geg5274
    @geg5274 Рік тому

    You can replace the pistons for long travel strong bass speakers, they do the same job basically

  • @jacobcarlson4010
    @jacobcarlson4010 Рік тому +2

    A somewhat interesting idea, save one problem: using the magnets to PUSH the pistons down. When 2 opposing magnets push against each other, the magnetic fields of both weaken over time. That’s why most magnets say to store them north-pole-to-south-pole; so that there’s no destructive interaction between them. A better design would be to have the coil for each “cylinder” at the bottom, where the magnetic field would pull the piston down, thus preserving the magnetism of the piston. Granted, that could have the side effect of the magnetic field of the coil “grabbing” the crank shaft, or potentially inducing a current as the crank shaft rotates… but still; not really a practical design for an electric drivetrain either way.

    • @FredDufresne
      @FredDufresne Рік тому

      Problem is that you'd have to have a super short stroke because the range of magnetic force drops really quickly.

    • @avlehtine
      @avlehtine Рік тому +1

      You can just pull the ”pistons” away from the crankshaft.

  • @Unpluggedx89
    @Unpluggedx89 Рік тому +4

    I came up with this exact idea one day at work and then thought to myself it wouldn’t be nearly as effective as current methods of EVs.

    • @ShiftySwifty006
      @ShiftySwifty006 Рік тому

      Crankshaft motor flywheel AC axial Pancakes/, DC tnotor cromotor pancake & flat sun planetary gear or Koensegg direct drive will fit directly to the driveshaft crankshaft belt side Take a look at the flywheel clutch disc V8 Ferrari engine 3D image OMR Automative Stellantis 18 brands badges merge FCA Fiat Chrysler PSA Peugeot Citroen has all my concerns concepts
      Matching RPM on Also adding micro second immediately on gear shift or manual button electric injection 500w to 1 kw +

  • @connerjohnston1391
    @connerjohnston1391 Рік тому +3

    I don't care if it's impractical, it's really freaking cool and I want it to be a thing

  • @sakurojason
    @sakurojason Рік тому +1

    You could connect piezo speakers to each coil an there you’d at least have a clicking sound for every polarity changing coil

  • @Jack-qw5jx
    @Jack-qw5jx Рік тому

    That's a great invention man!

  • @Alasswolf
    @Alasswolf Рік тому +5

    Not a good idea, for sure, but... the pistons look cool 😎

    • @moabman6803
      @moabman6803 Рік тому

      Why is it not a good idea?

    • @Alasswolf
      @Alasswolf Рік тому

      It's basically a waste of energy

    • @moabman6803
      @moabman6803 Рік тому

      @@Alasswolf Why? Solenoid motors can be very efficient

  • @kubaferens9265
    @kubaferens9265 Рік тому +10

    I don't think so, we are losing a lot of force in V6 because transformation of force

  • @mysticpointwatersports204
    @mysticpointwatersports204 Рік тому

    the piston torque isz better balanced if countered on opposing sides in x pattern ... but rotate the direction the piston rotates for forward drive to balance torque further

  • @tomt373
    @tomt373 Рік тому

    As an engineering employee with a company that was developing a machine that needed the performance and especially the low-end torque of a diesel engine when "bogged down" with a very high load. When we tried using the same rated horsepower electric motor instead, instead of "toughing it out" and coming recovering from an extreme load like the Diesel, it simply threw its breakers and quit.
    There is a lot to be said for the torque a heavy crankshaft/flywheel combination can give you over the impressive numbers the electric motor manufacturers put out that promise you "indefinite" performance under any condition until it is hit with a "real world" problem.

  • @hedgehog3180
    @hedgehog3180 Рік тому +3

    Not to mention that now you need a drive train, which is also a point in which you can lose energy to heat. Meanwhile you can just control the rotation speed of a regular electric motor with a bit of circuitry.

  • @davisdf3064
    @davisdf3064 Рік тому +3

    It's an awful idea, but, it's Hella cool

  • @ralphmunoz4582
    @ralphmunoz4582 Рік тому +1

    Fun idea! And you get 2 power strokes per rotation! Very entertaining no matter what!

  • @rm25088
    @rm25088 Рік тому +2

    I think it would be a great idea for the R/C world. Especially crawlers.

  • @Mia-Taylor-Love-Live
    @Mia-Taylor-Love-Live Рік тому +4

    An electric motor might not be able to produce such awesome sounds. But an electric speaker 🔊 can. You can shift from a regular 4 cylinder all the way to v12 if there's an appropriate software ( Mercedes, Audi, VW etc are working on it). Making such software isn't a big deal since it's already there in video games. All it takes is to sync the sound with the accelerator pedal!

    • @stellospace
      @stellospace Рік тому +1

      It's cool but would it be weird I mean its not real after all

    • @Mia-Taylor-Love-Live
      @Mia-Taylor-Love-Live Рік тому

      @@stellospace what really matters is that you'll be able to feel the performance.

    • @ninefingerdeathgrip
      @ninefingerdeathgrip Рік тому +3

      Accelerator pedal position, engine speed, and engine load all effect the sound. Not just pedal. But these things are all simple to monitor and implement. Hard part is to make it sound right and be loud enough to be realistic and still fit comfortably in a car.

    • @Mia-Taylor-Love-Live
      @Mia-Taylor-Love-Live Рік тому

      @@ninefingerdeathgrip Absolutely. I think it'll come soon if it has demand

    • @eslashnz
      @eslashnz Рік тому

      Cars don't actually sound like cars. Modern internal combustion engines are very efficient (well, as efficient as a linear-to-rotational conversion of discrete explosions can be) and don't make much sound. Not only does this displease people who like old-fashioned engine noise, it is unsafe for pedestrians who can't hear a quiet car coming. Manufacturers use all sorts of systems to make cars noisy again, and "just play engine noises over a speaker" has been a popular solution for several decades now. The field is called "Active Sound Design" if you want to know more.

  • @skuzlebut82
    @skuzlebut82 Рік тому +6

    Interesting

  • @pankajkumar-sl8cu
    @pankajkumar-sl8cu 11 місяців тому

    Nice work it provide maximum efficency

  • @THEScottCampbell
    @THEScottCampbell Рік тому

    All the disadvantages of pistons! Brilliant ! Undoubtedly some people would buy it!

  • @joelwong1239
    @joelwong1239 Рік тому +7

    I am the first viewer of this video.

  • @jasonbaines7569
    @jasonbaines7569 Рік тому +4

    Electric motors may be the future, but nothing will beat the sound of a gas powered V8. Great video. 👍

    • @darksideblues135
      @darksideblues135 Рік тому

      They aren’t the future. Why would anyone want a car that takes a day to charge, a range that depends on temp causing massive drops in range.

    • @bathhatingcat8626
      @bathhatingcat8626 Рік тому +2

      @@darksideblues135 also, rare earths are disgusting to mine. It pollutes and obliterates the landscape. Perhaps if our ability to recycle most of the rare earth metals in batteries electric motors may be the future, but we are not close to doing this efficiently and effectively.

    • @jareknowak8712
      @jareknowak8712 Рік тому +3

      @@darksideblues135 they already are the future.
      No new internal combustion engines in Europe from year 2035.

    • @darksideblues135
      @darksideblues135 Рік тому +2

      @@jareknowak8712 Yeah. It’s going to fail. And by the way. EV’s are older than gas powered cars. They were stupid back then, they are stupid now.

    • @darksideblues135
      @darksideblues135 Рік тому

      @@bathhatingcat8626 yeah. That’s not going to happen. The whole recycling thing is bogus. We don’t even recycle anymore in the states. We still are forced to pay for it, keep the blue bin, but it all goes in the land fill. China stopped buying the garbage... so, if there is no money in it, then it doesn’t happen.
      And really, all this ev push is for politician donors to make money, the government forces these toxic pieces of junk on us to “safe the planet,” which they have predicted wrong for the past 50 years. These car companies wouldn’t be doing these ev’s if they weren’t getting subsidized. They are inferior to gas powered cars in every way... environmentally, convenience, everything... except torque... unless you haul something then the truck dies street 20 minutes from a full charge. No rational person would buy those cars.
      I’m getting a gas powered v8 next year. Longer range than any ev in the market, and the battery only costs 100 bucks to replace instead of 30,000.

  • @paparoysworkshop
    @paparoysworkshop Рік тому +2

    4:20 Remember when someone was selling plots of land on the moon?

  • @sipos66
    @sipos66 Рік тому +1

    That was pretty cool!!

  • @bradkaberline5828
    @bradkaberline5828 Рік тому +1

    Even with that design you'd still need oil in the block for a lubricant and you'd need some sort of lubricant in the cylinder or your rings and cylinder walls would be metal grinding on metal damaging the cylinder walls or the rings which would result in loss of compression

    • @moabman6803
      @moabman6803 Рік тому

      The oil would last a very very long time because there are no combustion gasses. This is actually a great idea.

  • @cfeauto5938
    @cfeauto5938 Рік тому +1

    This is really only useful for super scale rc. I remember seeing someone made a solenoid powered radial engine using this same general idea. It got some of the sound while keeping the form factor

  • @QlueDuPlessis
    @QlueDuPlessis Рік тому

    This is the first ad read for Established Titles I've seen that makes it clear that these are novelty titles and not functional titles 😀🖖

  • @shaikkareem1637
    @shaikkareem1637 2 місяці тому

    It can be efficient if the air intake is provided in cylinder. Piston can be pushed downwards with the help of air and electric coils

  • @andreaperri3293
    @andreaperri3293 Рік тому

    As a car enthusiast i love v8 engines and their sound, this can be amazing in a car

  • @blckmtbd
    @blckmtbd Рік тому

    I feel as thought these would be great to simulate engine sounds in electric cars.

  • @jub8891
    @jub8891 Рік тому

    Great video Action Lab! Another thing electric motors are lacking is greenhouse gas production, which is essential for photosynthesis in plants.. plants absorb the carbon dioxide, keeping the carbon molecule to produce energy and releasing the oxygen molecules as a by-product.. all carbon-based life on earth, that is all life, rely on oxygen for many reasons including staying alive.. and animals also rely on plants for necessities such as food, shelter, shade and natural barriers and so on.

  • @ottopartz1
    @ottopartz1 Рік тому +1

    Idk it looks pretty darn cool, if it was available in a car I might be interested. Although then I'd have to get a plexiglass hood!

  • @Dhruv1223
    @Dhruv1223 Рік тому

    I'm guessing it be very easy to add that sound to an electric vehicle. Midi Foot Switch attached to the accelerator that drives a sample library. I mean video games already do it, just need some good loud speakers. To be honest it would be a good idea too given that it's very hard to actually hear a speeding electric vehicle on the road

  • @poodlescone9700
    @poodlescone9700 Рік тому

    There may be one viable reason - packaging. If you need some shape that a rectangle works better than a cylinder, then it may make some sense.

  • @gleambrite2679
    @gleambrite2679 9 місяців тому

    What's the max rpm? of this V8 configuration? Conversion losses from linear to circular motion is an issue. However, we have the single piston rod. Using 2 electromagnet in a horizontal piston. Its simple design helps with weight and speed control.

  • @Tonyface666
    @Tonyface666 Рік тому +2

    Years ago I saw a vid about a concept car with a hybrid petrol/electric motor. Was a normal internal combustion engine, but had electromagnets and such built into it so the pistons could either be moved electromagnetically or explosively. Wish I could find a link.

    • @PURENT
      @PURENT Рік тому

      Would be easier to just bolt on an electric motor between the engine and transmission. Honda's old hybrid IMA tech used to spin up the engine using an electric motor for added torque.

    • @Tonyface666
      @Tonyface666 Рік тому

      @@PURENT I did not mean to imply that it was a good idea - just that I had seen someone do it :P

  • @ADSteam1994
    @ADSteam1994 5 місяців тому

    Would ypu ever do another solenoid engine video? Since if added a cross bar to the elector magnetic/wire it helps improve the efficiency of the solenoids

  • @animeandwieardness6132
    @animeandwieardness6132 Рік тому

    This is very neat!

  • @CY5588
    @CY5588 Рік тому

    This is the thing i have been thinking about for a looooong time

  • @PowerScissor
    @PowerScissor Рік тому +1

    Just moved in to my 1' x 1' plot. It's a little cold over here, and all my neighbors are trees...but I love it.

  • @kreynolds1123
    @kreynolds1123 Рік тому

    One does not need magnets. A steal piston will work. And the pistons dont need to be in a v they can be in a * star arangement. Advantages to using multiple pistons are power and ability to dissipate heat. Disadvantages are the need to be balanced, additional friction, and power lost in converting linear motion to rotational.

  • @jamieeast4974
    @jamieeast4974 Рік тому

    You are not considering back emf could be used to fire each other piston in turn with less losses.
    Not to mention you could also use compression with valves and add an accumulator tank ?

  • @Srfingfreak
    @Srfingfreak Рік тому +1

    Neat! I wonder if you could scavenge energy back off of the coils to improve efficiency...

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 Рік тому +1

      lets make them spin a car alternator instead and recharge the drive battery🐱👍🏿

    • @gothboschincarnate3931
      @gothboschincarnate3931 Рік тому

      sure, you could recover some energy...

  • @GoFastJames
    @GoFastJames Рік тому

    Given so many love the sounds. What ways or options will people have to hear sound and it's not from speakers.