Is an Electric V8 Engine a Good Idea?
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I should mention that since the model 3, Teslas use Reluctance motors (IPMSynRM). So teslas can have AC induction motors and reluctance motors. IPMSynRM are really cool in how they work. I want to do a whole video on them.
Can’t wait for that video! Always wanted to know how a Tesla works beyond the standard electric motor!
I would challenge one comment that you made about ICEs which is a very commonly held misconception....
In a typical automobile the peak efficiency of the ICE is typically about 35% however the average efficiency based on how you actually use them will be much lower than this.
With such low efficiency many people wrongly assume the translation from a linear to rotation motion must surely be a major contributing loss and this wrong assumption has been the starting assumption for a plethora of very complex alternative ICE designs.
If you do the analysis it turns out that the actual mechanical loss in converting the linear to rotational motion is less than 1% hence you can't use it as an argument for explaining why you typically get less than 20% efficiency from your dinosaur burner under the hood of your car.
@@michaelharrison1093 Very interesting. I’d like to see that analysis if you have a source! Also besides efficiency you can realize a lot of other problems with having to convert linear motion into rotational. It necessarily requires a lot of moving parts. So I think the efficiency is only part of the problem.
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What I know that Tesla S model used Induction then they use Permanent Magnet and now using hybrid of PM and Reluctnace motor which is IMSynRM
It may not be terribly efficient, but it is an interesting way to demonstrate on how a gasoline engine works, without the limitations in models that use fuel.
Watching UA-cam is not either, but enjoyment is important too.
@@JiltedValkyrie 😂
No. The only relation this has to a gas engine is that it shows pistons go up & down. There is so much more going on with the pistons alone (let alone the rest of the engine) that isn't shown that makes this demonstration about as useful as using a kite to explain an airplane.
Cool toy though.
@@JiltedValkyrie it depends greatly on your goal, UA-cam can often be a relatively good source for entry level instructional material for most subjects if you know the right keywords.
There are small model sets that use an electric motor. Basically a starter motor to turn the crank and everything realistically. There pretty cool and don’t need fuel
Good idea? No, but it's surely very entertaining and educational!
Yep, loved it as always.
Well nice engineering but not practical. But maybe it has an element to it? I think he forgot to mention this. Magnets lose their magnetism overtime but electric magnet? I think that's a great idea just like the Maglev. Electric Magnet + Engine Design = great source of power. Of course it's not perpetual but it can run very much that long. Action Lab did a great job in making the model of this!
I think that having an electric engine would be an incredible accomplishment for the automotive industry because of a certain type of people that EVs do not impress: Car Enthusiasts. while many would say that car enthusiasts will always love the latest stuff, they don't, they would much rather hold on to the legacy that the automotive industry has made (specifically with an engine method, not electric motors), and I think that if there was a car out there with an electric engine, the Car Community would appreciate it much more since it does its best to be what they see as part of the legacy of cars.
Do keep in mind that not all enthusiasts think that EVs are dumb, I'm just saying that they don't prefer EVs to Gas Cars.
... but you could retrofit a petrol engine with this idea😁👍
@@claytonj2024 I don't see how this would help.
It would make it unnecessarily complex, still probably wouldn't match up well with a manual gearbox, and even if it did, the performance you get out of it would almost certainly be well below what you get from a conventional motor attached to a single speed gearbox
By reversing polarity you could make each cylinder pull on upward stroke and push on downward for more torque.
Cool Idea bro.
Wouldn’t that slow the crankshaft or skew the timing of the engine?
@@TheNuclearBolton It would work if you fired 4 of the 8 pistons at the same time like in that model. That way while half the pistons are being pulled to the top, the others are being pushed down at the same time. However like he said you don’t usually want to fire multiple pistons at the same time.
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pffft. how typical. how imaginative.
how about making the piston from an iron slug, place the coil at the midway point, wrap a single copper ring around the piston, then simply slam some power through the coil when the slug is in the middle, so the crank is at 90 degrees, with maximum torque, and the induced current in the copper ring causes a repulsion that forces the piston down? and up on the return stroke. and you can also have coils top and bottom to fill in the other two half strokes.
attraction sucks. repulsion kicks arse.
then the return spike of the collapsing magnetic field from the coil being de-energised can be captured into a capacitor and recycled, but thats silly talk.
Besides the efficiency and complexity reason: electric motors offer a precisely controllable torque, which allows for better handling. Using reciprocating solenoids would remove that benefit.
Exactly, More noise less efficient and overley mechanically complex.
@@dogwalker666 hence fulfilling the basic requirements of American muscle cars
@@dogwalker666 What if I am stupid but I love the noise, what then?
@@roseCatcher_ We can install some nice speakers in the car.
@@roseCatcher_ then get a V8 right now
The engine sound simulation was amazing. Even tho it’s a wood block sound, it still sounded like “American Muscle” 😂
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@@DFPercush never heard of it. Is it good?
@@nugboy420 just type it in the search bar, dude made an engine simulator
@@DFPercush thanks I’ll do that now I’m still up and need something to settle down and fall asleep lol.
@@DFPercush I did check it out btw. And yesss
The sound explanation fascinated me. I never even thought of it like that before but that is so cool to learn
Instead of turning off the coil, you can reverse the polarity, so you have power transfer in both directions the piston travels.
If you look at the LEDs in slow motion, you can see they alternate. They are being reversed.
Still wasted energy, electric stuff just needs an ESC this is just wasting effort where and engine produces mechanical energy from chemical energy.
@@osmacar5331 in that too energy gets wasted as heat
@@sdspivey no those are there to show what the valves would be doing in a real gasoline engine
@@osmacar5331 Dude it's a proof of concept video. He's not trying to revolutionize the engine, he's showing a cool scientific design and explaining why it's inefficient.
I really appreciate the sound to better understand the differing pattens for the piston rotation.
I would be down for this. It would be the solution to making an electric car with a cool sound and a manual transmission
Im pretty sure that you can add a transmission straight to a electric motor. They don't do it because now everyone uses automatic transmission. I would LOVE a manual electric car.
@@agoogleuser2619 Not everyone. Maybe in the usa. But there are many other countries around the world where that isn't a problem to shift gears.
@@gergonagy3679nah not in the usa bro theres alot of manual drivers here
The oil companies would have your head.
The most practical application would be for replacement of old gas engines that use a standard clutch. This will allow for some similarities to a combustion engine and would give you different variations of torque and efficiency curves. Which could all be done by a rotor based motor and electronics with complex algorithm and sensors. I kinda want to know what a powerful solenoid base reciprocating motor would behave like. It might be worth the trouble.
Why?
I saw a 4 cylinder kit back in 1998. It didn't have flashing LEDs and was build around a Basic Stamp as the controller.
those will work more reliably like a Toyota
I aint heard that name in a while. My school was passing them out during my time there for arduinos.
Would love to see this scaled up. What was the power consumption vs standard electrical motor at same level?
I remember drawing this idea out as a kid. I had the vision, amazing to see it in use.
I swear I designed this very motor back my senor year in 12. Spent a year on it and it was an amazing motor. Used the 3cylinder tractor motor to build from. Currently use it on a homemade go cart
You should definitely make videos
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler granted mine was a bit different. Custom head with eltromagnets inplace of valves. Once the distributor lit up the magnet it pulled up on the piston which had a fixed magnet. By sending current thru two magnets on the head I could push pull the pistons. By putting in a potentiometer I could controll the force of the magnets.
Where you able to hook an alternator and a battery to it?
its very awesome that more and more youtubers are getting interested in the car industry to make cool videos about them, I thought James would make a video like this and he finally did
Huh.. That's totally fascinating!! Did you build this electric V8 for this episode of the The Action lab??
I'd be very interested to see some detailed testing of this interesting electric V8 to see what kind of actual performance stats it has, That would be really fascinating. I bet you could really do some fine tuning on this design and increase efficiency and power output.
While rotary electric motors may be simpler and less mechanically complex, it would just be really cool and novel to make a functioning electric V8 car just to say you did and cruise around in it and show it off.
Looked more like a kit, although if he did build it himself, that would say a lot.
*I just checked the description and it has a link to the kit that you can buy.
@@MyHandleIsGood I just think that would be the coolest thing to build - for real.
Like start with a real lightweight aluminum block V8 engine (from a wreck or wherever), and rebuild the cylinder heads just like in this little plastic kit. You would have to custom machine "pistons" from big huge magnetic blocks of material, and probably sleeve the heads with teflon sleeves or something else really slippery. I just wonder how well that would work, and what kind of power it would consume and what kind of power/torque you could get out of it. Hmmm....
I didn't build it. I put the link in the description where I bought it. It would be very cool to build a more powerful version of this one
@@deanlawson6880 you could easily exceed the maximum tourqe of the original engine.
Very very easily.
@@TheActionLab my cousin is 15 and interested in this tech. Do you have a similar Action Lab kit?
It could work as a conversion kits for existing V8 and V6 engines. Could also save thousands of engine assembly jobs and factories. Would be a great alternative for people who don't want to give up their ICE for full electric. Might work better for energy recapture/recharging. Not a totally awful idea.
And have like a a few hp car? And add a few thousand pounds of batteries lmao
Its not at all a possibility if you didn't know
Beside efficiency
This one is so freaking cool for an rc car, they're so damn cool
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To get a cool V8 sound, the idea can be hybridized. An actual combustion engine with magnetic pistons, that uses real fuel, where the cylinder wall wrapped in electric coils that assist the piston, to make a hybrid electric gasoline or diesel engine with E-boost assist, that can turn the fuel off & run in full electric modes with lower output for low load highway cruise, when going down hills, to recover energy to charge the vehicle battery with regenerated energy
I mean if you could do something like that and reduce the overall force required to push the pistons you could get higher rpms with same amount of wear maybe more of a race thing then an efficiency thing
Actually we can use this configuration to assist internal combustion engine meaning boosting the overall power of the engine without much issue and for the same volume of engine
This is all very impossible sounding. The magnets on the piston will get demagnetized in the extreme environment, and considering the cylinder is metal, the magnetic fields won't even go through to the other side to energize the coils. The best way to go about this would be to attach an electric motor to the engine output shaft through a clutch and using it as a motor/alternator as needed. In other words, a regular hybrid car.
@@kamisama9715 one. why are there magnets anyway.
two, i use ferrite magnets to hold tungsten carbide tips as i braze them. they get red hot and stay magnetic.
three. why magnets again?
last time i looked inside an induction motor, i found zero magnets.
thing is... this whole video, this comment thread, these replies... are an example of stuck in the rut thinking. complete misunderstanding of how basic machinery that powers our everyday lives actually works. complete inability to look at things from a new angle a different perspective.
i can get a 50mm ferrite slug to repel from a coil with 10A at 12v. it can create 12T of pressure. i use no MAGNETS. i tried figuring out gauss and webers and oesterd once but wow, that stuff just makes it all seem confusing and obscures the simplicity... its for professors to teach, not for people to actually understand and use in practical things. there is no easy way to correlate "so many turns of wire at so many amperes makes a field this strong that can lift so many kg of a ferrous material". its all obfuscated and made ridiculously complex.
easier to just fiddle with bits of wire and some logic and use a strain gauge.
how much pressure can you get onto a crankpin with a traditional combustion event in a piston engine, with a 50mm piston?
take 100bar to be the maximum pressure available, at TDC, when the crank cant really do much... and remember, thast only a brief spike, its well below that by half stroke...
so how much torque could i get with my 12T on the same crankpin? when its at 90 degrees rather than TDC?
and i can dump that power pretty fast... and it comes back when i turn the coil off!
used to have an old DC electric motor that sounded a little like that, but it was because the bearings were so worn out that the armature was wobbling
I've always wondered about this! Thank your for the simple explanation!
Plenty of us are more interested in the novelty than efficiency or power, so I think it's a pretty cool idea personally. It'd actually be "fairly easy" to convert an ice to this. You could use the same rotating assembly, slap coils where the pistons were, ditch the head, etc
4:04 that’s exactly what I hate (and love) the most about my Tesla 😭😭
I hate it because when I quickly accelerate, the car is just completely silent, no aggressive engine roar.
But I love it because when going 100-130 it’s still quiet, sure you still have the noise from the wind, the other cars around you and the tires going over the asfalt, but it’s quiet and peaceful.
It must feel like toy when you can't feel power building up 😂.
But how do I do a pops and bangs tune on a tesla?!?!?!
@@currycel470 it does. The throttle feeling is garbage.
That the point of EV but i get what u mean though
Still can't escape from those beautiful engine roar
I find it ironic that petrolheads downplay EVs to mere toys only for them to cry about them not having sound they wanna hear right after.
3:40 "A Tesla uses an induction motor" Teslas used induction motors until the Model 3, whose IPMSynRM (Internal Permanent Magnet Synchronous Reluctance Motor) has since propagated back to the other models, to include the carbon-sleeved-rotor variant revealed during the 2021 Plaid event.
I was thinking of this kind of engine 2 years ago in highschool. I didn't expect for someone to actually make it. Nice!
As an engineering employee with a company that was developing a machine that needed the performance and especially the low-end torque of a diesel engine when "bogged down" with a very high load. When we tried using the same rated horsepower electric motor instead, instead of "toughing it out" and coming recovering from an extreme load like the Diesel, it simply threw its breakers and quit.
There is a lot to be said for the torque a heavy crankshaft/flywheel combination can give you over the impressive numbers the electric motor manufacturers put out that promise you "indefinite" performance under any condition until it is hit with a "real world" problem.
This is the motor that will drive us to the stone ages
@@whatnut made in the USA used to be on every single thing that you bought and we were the strongest country on the globe. They put a media blackout on AIDS for 20 years, they put a media blackout on how farmers and everybody else used hydrogen from Water by using their ohm meter and generator on the vehicles and equipment. First came the part, carburetor and fuel injections, then came the gas stations. Before the gas stations and carburetors, everything was H2O
@@whatnut every combustionable engine can run off of hydrogen. I'm talking about using 1880s technology also. No spacecraft, just ancient primitive science
@@banditeastlick2471 no thanks. If it comes down to it I'm going to go to the local junkyard and grab as many old tires I can, heat those babies up to about 800 Degrees and convert them to fuel oil through pyrolysis, then I thank you distill that oil at about 160 to 200° Celsius and it vaporizes all the hydrocarbons into a fine liquid AKA combustible fuel that can run a gas engine. You would have to add a little bit of the fuel oil to the distilled mixture to up the octane for a gas motor. I've seen them doing this in Rwanda, they literally distill gasoline and Diesel using old tires, all that's left is the steel built from the tire and ash. I spent 15 years looking for a 1992 Mazda MX3 Grand Sport with its quad cam v6. I'll be damned if a bunch of hippies are going to stop me from driving my car.
@@ericbeltrami2718 when the SHTF do you really think you will make it with the footprint that will create? I will send you to a link to hippie that will show you how easy it is to run off of hydrogen. It's buried in my "truth is freedom" playlist
@@banditeastlick2471 Hydrogen? not without reprograming the computer to handle the change in fuel density and refitting the fuel injectors. Ethanol would be an easier replacement.
Would this configuration have a niche application? I mean, a real practical use.
For instance, a straight-forward electric compressor would be something like an electric motor powering a piston compressor. However, we could make this process much simpler if a solenoid powers the compressor piston directly.
Well, the other way around, if you have a communal crankshaft of X length, the public can add/subtract modular motors to use it's energy and/or dynamos to add to it's momentum, like energy buyback for electric vehicle parking lots or whatnot
Great explanation, the video is very well done and very educational, I love your videos
This has been a hell of an informative video
James: The V8 engine has 8 pistons so it has a lot of power.
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@Radin i wonder how many pistons could uniquely function in a single cam rotation
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Ive had this idea for 12 years... Can't believe I'm actually seeing a working model
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You said in the video the electromagnet attracts the magnetic piston. It looks like the two leds on top of the cylinders flash once each, and at slightly different times. I would guess that the first led flash attracts the piston and the (other) second led flash repels the piston. It makes more sense to me this way giving it twice the power.
Power is limited by amps × coil resistance / period of time to dissipate watts of heat.
Powering on the push and pull has current flowing through the coils twice as long reducing the max current to 1/2 of where one has current flowing half the time at twice the current. Just saying one can get the same max power using 1/2 a cycle
And doing power on 1/2 a cycle allow one to use cheap steal piston rather than expensive temperature sensitive magnets that loose their magnetic strength over time.
While one LED could be directly powered, the other one might be lit using the movement of the magnet in the solenoid via inductance alone. It would create a more powerful engine to both push and pull the magnet, but I think it was an attempt to be as similar to a combustion engine as possible by having only one powered portion of the cycle.
@@Tsudico I believe that you are right. I think that one LED is showing the switch off due to induction of the magnet. I think it only has one powered portion according to the short description from the manufacturer.
This video: is making an electric v8 engine a good idea? No. But you can buy a piece of land and become a lord or lady. Thanks for watching.😊
I'm still waiting for someone to go try to claim their 1 sq ft of land and just stand there like "this is mine!" lol
@@DFPercush Good luck building a castle on it with the typical setback requirements. Perhaps they could build a moat?
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Nice video with a good explanation! But please ditch Established Titles!
The fact that this man was able to explain just exactly how different firing orders make distinct sounds blows my mind
Simple solution: make a pneumatic engine, put in a chemical reaction with H2O2 and KMnO4 in a tank, make a regulator for 2 bars (29psi) and run it up. Integza made one but I saw it work only with compressed air. I thought about it. Hydrogen peroxide and potassium permanganate's reaction reaches up to 60 bar. So you can totally make an engine that sounds awesome and it uses clean energy. The engine's performance is determined by how much pressure is in a tank. so that's why I wanted you to make a video about it
But before I even finish watching I have to ask this question: Why would this possibly be better than any comparably sized traditional electric motor?
Now to see what you'll say about that in the rest of the video....
only benefit i can think of is the power/size ratio which isnt even that much better
V engines are super cool tho lol
@@falkez1514: Nope, because the power/size ratio is already MUCH better with just a standard motor, doii.
But yeah, this is cool as just some kind of novelty thing.
UPDATE to my OP: Yep, my guess was right; there is no benefit of this over purely rotational motors. Otherwise they probably would've been in development already.
@@HelloKittyFanMan. yea its just some cool idea i guess lol
Particularly interesting one.. I never thought about the losses when converting linear to rotational motion (especially when the rod is farthest away from a 90⁰ angle to the crank).
Because there aren't actually any losses due to that
@@giovanniquargentan6198 Except there are because the connecting rod is the same length throughout its movement. When it hits 90 degrees, the piston has traveled about 55% of the way down the bore, rather than 50%. This causes uneven forces throughout the movement of the piston, the piston moves faster in the first half of the stroke than the second half. This is secondary engine imbalance. And the connecting rod is stealing power from the crankshaft, from the other pistons, to do this in both halves to make up for those imbalanced forces. The engine is vibrating rather than delivering force to the wheels, which is energy loss.
Balancing shafts can be used to reduce this imbalance, but it's a treatment to overall engine vibration, not a cure to the root issue, and does nothing to treat vibrations experienced by the crankshaft itself. You have to fix the connecting rod to fix this inefficiency.
@@KaiserTom Thanks. Very interesting information there. I would love to learn more about this.
@@KaiserTom you are correct, there are some losses in vibration, BUT they are very very minimal. I suggest you check the replies under the pinned comment of action lab, i gave a much more detailed explanation, also there's a guy named "michael harrison" who also explained it correctly.
@@HeyChickens check out the channel "driving 4 answers", he's a nice guy who knows what he's talking about
HOWEVER! - Some of the BEST ICE to Electric car conversions have been, where they have simply JUST replaced the ICE motor and connected it to the 4 or 5 speed ORIGINAL manual gearbox! Old Porsches, MG's, Triumph Spitfires, Karmann Ghia, and many more classic cars converted this way have proved to be EXCELLENT Electric drivers cars, none of the 2 pedal instant start/stop, just quieter and you STILL have driver engagement with the clutch and gears... What's more, it depends on how you tune your Electric motors ECU for power delivery, low revs torque for days, or a steady ramp up to max RPM... 😎🇬🇧
I like the balance of the HUP followed by a V8 video.
When I first started watching the video i was like "hey, yeah why don't we use those!?" Then I came to my senses 😅
Very cool to watch, but too many moving parts non-efficient and will wear out too quickly.
But like I said it's very fun to watch.
I see very few moving parts.
@@moabman6803 (piston (plus 3 rings), arm, crank)x8+2 bearings.
Technically this would be fewer moving parts as you don't need camshafts, I think you can reduce the coolant flow with this design, but you'd still need oil flow. no need for a fuel pump...
The entire benefit of electric motors is the instant torque; there's no need for complex mechanical internals because you can just provide power directly to the motors.
Very good and educational. Nice vid.
I came up with this exact idea one day at work and then thought to myself it wouldn’t be nearly as effective as current methods of EVs.
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Could be a relatively inexpensive way to convert combustion cars to electronic without having to replace the entire drive train. Bolt right up to the existing transmissions.
Not whatsoever.
Its a cool idea, and an idea many of us have thought about. But its really a gimmick. Plus, itd be orders of magnitude simpler and easier to bolt a regular motor to a transmission
This was so damn nice to watch! Thanks again ❤
The beauty of an electric motor is the huge reduction in moving parts and the resulting lack of servicing those moving parts require.
There is actually one modern V8 which has this same up-down-up-down crank profile like on this solenoid engine, I believe on the 2014 Mustang Shelby
Flatplane
@@lasskinn474 Flatplane is up-down-down-up, whereas on Shelby it's up-down-up-down aimed to achieve the benefits of a typical flatplane V8 while keeping the roar of a crossplane V8
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Yes, You are right.
But it is still a flatplane.
It would be cool to see a full size one anyway.
Horribly efficient but a good way to demonstrate the mechanics of an engine and electromagnets
I just can't give up that purr of a V8 and you throw a 6pack on top amazing
No, it is not a good idea, but it sure is a cool one. I've got to make one of those, but with a [mechanically] programable distributor so I can play with firing order.
I don't care if it's impractical, it's really freaking cool and I want it to be a thing
The other thing is, an electric piston doesn't need a compression stroke. It basically runs in 2 stroke mode. 1 stroke, if you reverse polarity in the coil. That means it would generate power on the down and upstroke.
While it can generate less power than a gas cylinder, an electric piston configuration can provide this lower power 4x more.
Thus an 8 cylinder version isn't necessary. You might as well create a 3 cylinder, or 4 cylinder with bigger magnets.
Lastly, permanent magnets lose magnetism, especially in the use cases of an engine like this, due to heat. It would mean your engine needs new magnets every time.
What would make more sense is to replace the permanent magnet with a coil and capacitor, which would work more permanently.
A somewhat interesting idea, save one problem: using the magnets to PUSH the pistons down. When 2 opposing magnets push against each other, the magnetic fields of both weaken over time. That’s why most magnets say to store them north-pole-to-south-pole; so that there’s no destructive interaction between them. A better design would be to have the coil for each “cylinder” at the bottom, where the magnetic field would pull the piston down, thus preserving the magnetism of the piston. Granted, that could have the side effect of the magnetic field of the coil “grabbing” the crank shaft, or potentially inducing a current as the crank shaft rotates… but still; not really a practical design for an electric drivetrain either way.
Problem is that you'd have to have a super short stroke because the range of magnetic force drops really quickly.
You can just pull the ”pistons” away from the crankshaft.
I don't think so, we are losing a lot of force in V6 because transformation of force
Not a good idea, for sure, but... the pistons look cool 😎
Why is it not a good idea?
It's basically a waste of energy
@@Alasswolf Why? Solenoid motors can be very efficient
I have a model sketch of this same concept but there is a power generation on the shaft of the piston that makes ac current or in the crankshaft that boosts power generated
4:20 Remember when someone was selling plots of land on the moon?
It's an awful idea, but, it's Hella cool
An electric motor might not be able to produce such awesome sounds. But an electric speaker 🔊 can. You can shift from a regular 4 cylinder all the way to v12 if there's an appropriate software ( Mercedes, Audi, VW etc are working on it). Making such software isn't a big deal since it's already there in video games. All it takes is to sync the sound with the accelerator pedal!
It's cool but would it be weird I mean its not real after all
@@stellospace what really matters is that you'll be able to feel the performance.
Accelerator pedal position, engine speed, and engine load all effect the sound. Not just pedal. But these things are all simple to monitor and implement. Hard part is to make it sound right and be loud enough to be realistic and still fit comfortably in a car.
@@ninefingerdeathgrip Absolutely. I think it'll come soon if it has demand
Cars don't actually sound like cars. Modern internal combustion engines are very efficient (well, as efficient as a linear-to-rotational conversion of discrete explosions can be) and don't make much sound. Not only does this displease people who like old-fashioned engine noise, it is unsafe for pedestrians who can't hear a quiet car coming. Manufacturers use all sorts of systems to make cars noisy again, and "just play engine noises over a speaker" has been a popular solution for several decades now. The field is called "Active Sound Design" if you want to know more.
"Gentlemen, start your engines!"
**sound of 1000 tap dancers begins**
Just moved in to my 1' x 1' plot. It's a little cold over here, and all my neighbors are trees...but I love it.
Not to mention that now you need a drive train, which is also a point in which you can lose energy to heat. Meanwhile you can just control the rotation speed of a regular electric motor with a bit of circuitry.
Interesting
It would be cool if you could do both have the magnet and the spark pushing the piston
Even with that design you'd still need oil in the block for a lubricant and you'd need some sort of lubricant in the cylinder or your rings and cylinder walls would be metal grinding on metal damaging the cylinder walls or the rings which would result in loss of compression
The oil would last a very very long time because there are no combustion gasses. This is actually a great idea.
Electric motors may be the future, but nothing will beat the sound of a gas powered V8. Great video. 👍
They aren’t the future. Why would anyone want a car that takes a day to charge, a range that depends on temp causing massive drops in range.
@@darksideblues135 also, rare earths are disgusting to mine. It pollutes and obliterates the landscape. Perhaps if our ability to recycle most of the rare earth metals in batteries electric motors may be the future, but we are not close to doing this efficiently and effectively.
@@darksideblues135 they already are the future.
No new internal combustion engines in Europe from year 2035.
@@jareknowak8712 Yeah. It’s going to fail. And by the way. EV’s are older than gas powered cars. They were stupid back then, they are stupid now.
@@bathhatingcat8626 yeah. That’s not going to happen. The whole recycling thing is bogus. We don’t even recycle anymore in the states. We still are forced to pay for it, keep the blue bin, but it all goes in the land fill. China stopped buying the garbage... so, if there is no money in it, then it doesn’t happen.
And really, all this ev push is for politician donors to make money, the government forces these toxic pieces of junk on us to “safe the planet,” which they have predicted wrong for the past 50 years. These car companies wouldn’t be doing these ev’s if they weren’t getting subsidized. They are inferior to gas powered cars in every way... environmentally, convenience, everything... except torque... unless you haul something then the truck dies street 20 minutes from a full charge. No rational person would buy those cars.
I’m getting a gas powered v8 next year. Longer range than any ev in the market, and the battery only costs 100 bucks to replace instead of 30,000.
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Yes its incredible...i too have this idea so hopeful for future for this tecnology.
You could connect piezo speakers to each coil an there you’d at least have a clicking sound for every polarity changing coil
"We aren't going to see an electric v8 motor anytime soon"
well what if i just wanted to build one? LMAO
you totally read my mind, I wanted to see if this would work.
This is a good alternative for people who want a sound of an engine but have to go electric even at the efficiency costs
You can replace the pistons for long travel strong bass speakers, they do the same job basically
It can be efficient if the air intake is provided in cylinder. Piston can be pushed downwards with the help of air and electric coils
Awesome vid man
Fun idea! And you get 2 power strokes per rotation! Very entertaining no matter what!
Hey all. I'm a nuclear engineer, and I just saw an ionization event in the two seconds between the 3:23 to 3:25 time stamp of this video. If you slow it down, you can nab a screen shot. I assume this is a free electron that is accelerated by the magnetic field (and the electric potential) enough to reach speeds that ionize the air molecules in it's path... beautiful to see 🤗
I was wondering when someone was going to point that out!
There may be one viable reason - packaging. If you need some shape that a rectangle works better than a cylinder, then it may make some sense.
We gotta get over the desire for power. Cars get us from point A to point B. That's all they need to do. They do NOT need to be loud or fast.
the piston torque isz better balanced if countered on opposing sides in x pattern ... but rotate the direction the piston rotates for forward drive to balance torque further
Without watching it, no it isn't, because of efficiency. Next one please.
Car people: We love V8 sound, can we have V8 sound?
Physicists: We have V8 sound in our model.
The model: 2:08
Great video Action Lab! Another thing electric motors are lacking is greenhouse gas production, which is essential for photosynthesis in plants.. plants absorb the carbon dioxide, keeping the carbon molecule to produce energy and releasing the oxygen molecules as a by-product.. all carbon-based life on earth, that is all life, rely on oxygen for many reasons including staying alive.. and animals also rely on plants for necessities such as food, shelter, shade and natural barriers and so on.
Idk it looks pretty darn cool, if it was available in a car I might be interested. Although then I'd have to get a plexiglass hood!
All the disadvantages of pistons! Brilliant ! Undoubtedly some people would buy it!
One does not need magnets. A steal piston will work. And the pistons dont need to be in a v they can be in a * star arangement. Advantages to using multiple pistons are power and ability to dissipate heat. Disadvantages are the need to be balanced, additional friction, and power lost in converting linear motion to rotational.
This is really only useful for super scale rc. I remember seeing someone made a solenoid powered radial engine using this same general idea. It got some of the sound while keeping the form factor
Rods are unnecessarily long. Also these types would work at optimum with a hydraulic drive train and the weights greatly reduced with no need for steel and iron to cast. No high strength materials for things like manifolds and heads are an added plus. Also don’t forget both production of vacuum and pressures can still be created for operations. Lots of potential. Even converting old engines into electrical ones . Take the heads off no longer needed and other tidbits like more precise bearings like those used in space aged tech, I know of one bearing that’s so precisely cut and tolerance and out of roundness is so on point it uses 0 lubricants and can’t because it would just sludge it all down.
Very awesome project man! I've been wondering the most efficient marine propulsion system. Would love to see if solenoid powered whale tail propulsion could do the trick!
I think it would be a great idea for the R/C world. Especially crawlers.
The biggest benefit of this with a mechanical motor is that the motor could theoretically also be hooked up to a generator which could in turn recharge the battery. It wouldn't be 100 percent efficient but it would make progress towards it
right...recover some of that energy....
Ponytail is coming in nicely my man.
This is like the guy who tried to make a train by putting a horse on a treadmill backwards.