I dunno what viewbotting is or who these dudes are, but I'd like to see them go toe-to-toe with one another, wearing nothing but loincloths and brandishing butter knives.
+Grimbanks viewbotting is the act of utilizing a computer program ("bot") to inflate the overall number of viewers on a channel. These programs "view" different Twitch streams/UA-cam videos in order to inflate the number of "current viewers" (in the case of a streaming service like Twitch.tv) and "video views" (in the case of VoD services like UA-cam). The "bots" will sometimes write pre-programmed text into chat (on Twitch, etc...) or leave comments (on UA-cam, etc...) in an attempt to appear to be "real" human beings. This is done to inflate the status of the streamer, often with the intent of increasing ad revenue. More viewers = more ads being seen at any given time = more ad revenue shared with the streamer. However, if the majority of a streamers "viewers" are "bots," then services like Twitch will not pay the streamer any ad-revenue for those views, as computer programs obviously don't buy things based off of the viewing of advertisements the way that human beings do.
+Grimbanks :D It means that you pay a site to make artifical views on your stream. Although this does not get you any extra Money, it does put you higher in the search window. This means it is more likely People click on your stream then anyone elses :) Hopy it helps Russel Crowe :)
+Skoshtwo The thing is viewbotting is against terms of service and bringing gf drama is supposedly not. Eventhough I am with you on the fact that it's really, don't how to put it, distasteful?
+Skoshtwo Reckful doesnt view streaming as "streaming" like other people do. It's more like a Talkshow for him and his viewers . he just doesnt want to get reported for non-gaming content. If u dont like the stuff he talks about then just dont watch. Viewbotting however, goes against the TOS of twitch.
+Spared Spider He was just using an example of someone who would care about MaSsan enough to go out of their way to do something helpful like this for him without his knowledge.
+Apostol Victor Listen you emotifag SJW fuck, who the fuck goes around the internet calling people "scum" like you have some sort of moral highground over anyone? Reckful is an entertaining streamer and a sweet guy so your comment actually doesn't make any sense and it's baffling that anyone would even vote that shit up, I guess it was some Jenna whiteknight ...ew.
+Apostol Victor I don't like either Reckful or Massan, but viewbotting gives him an unfair advantage. Having a constant base of a few thousand viewbots is both going to make your stream more visible. and people are going to be more likely to watch someone with more viewers. I don't think this line of thinking can be disputed, it's just what people do. If I'm checking out a new game on twitch for the first time, I wouldn't choose the guy with 500 viewers over the guy with 5/10/20/50K viewers, either. I'm not going to try arguing you what's worse between being a huge asshole or cheating the system, but you have to agree neither of those are decent, viewbotting still isn't a defensible thing.
+Vincent Price I'm probably a really weird one out here, but I almost never go to streams with lots of viewers, unless it's someone I really enjoy watching (usually someone from UA-cam). For any game, old or new, I'm always scrolling to the bottom of the list to the streams with 1 or 2 viewers. I like the empty chat-rooms and the personal connections I can make in a 1 on 1 conversation with streamers. All I'm saying is to not say "it's just what people do" because not everyone does that. Besides if no one did that, then the same popular streams would stay popular forever and all of the streams with no viewers would never get any fame.
Mastermind Tobi When a scene gets established it's very hard for players to become big names. Most of the big names in Hearthstone, League of Legends, any big game really, have been there early on. That's obviously not a universal truth, there are exceptions to everything. But for the most part that's how it is. You're also an exception to what is very common place. I'm not saying everyone flocks to the popular channels but that is what most people do. You can't honestly tell me that viewbotting doesn't make your channel more popular, give you an unfair advantage, and give you more visibility because it undeniably does these things. And that's the main point. Fewer people look specifically for one on one interactions or empty Twitch chat, and instead come for the gameplay or entertainment of the streamer. It is human nature that people are more likely to flock to something that has been given approval/a seal of quality from others.
One of the worst confrontations I've ever seen. Neither of them seem to be able to string two words together or understand anything the other person is saying.
firstly... it was so hard for reckful not to be an ass about it... which was somewhat understandable... secondly view botting isn't something that masan wouldn't do.... I could imagine him doing it and being excited about it...
+DaeHan2321 I do care "idiot" cuz if 100+ "idiots" such as yourself stars view botting in twitch we would never have good new streamers cuz all the top 100 would be IDIOTS!!!
+jugr daj A goat, that's the best you got? Wow, stay in school kid. Next time you comment, don't be stupid about it? Try that for once dipshit. HAHA! Resorting to "gay" and "mom" jokes proves you're losing in an argument, clearly I'm not. So no, I didn't forget anything.
+jugr daj "two brain cells" horrible remark. Clearly you have no idea how the human brain works let alone twitchTV. I suggest you stay in school kid and try to get an education because you have displayed to the whole world how much of an idiot you are. How embarrassing...
I'm not defending anyone, I don't know either of these two streamers, but why is it your business if he has viewbots and Twitch already knows? You said yourself he isn't making more money off of it.
Wahhh Wahhh they have more views then me, view bot wahhh. Again I don't know anything about twitch but this guy sounds like he reaching hard. Clearly he is popular because he complains about all the streamers doing better then him, get your own viewers and stop slandering people, if he did use view bots who cares, it just means your stream is to shitty to make people switch over.
Medical Shadow who cares? if he uses bots dont watch his shit. if other people find his channel because of view bots they still decide to watch it or not. if his channel was shitty people would stop watching, but they dont so it's prob not bad.
Roronoa D Vegeta exactly, people will find him because he viewbots, if they see him as one of the top players they'll just assume he's one of the best twitch has to offer and won't check out better streamers who actually work for what they have
+Roronoa D Vegeta It's also about sponsors. They'll go to the person who looks like they're getting the most views, so (if Massan is botting) he'll be making money fraudulently and cutting people who are actually trying to work legitimately out of it.
+verifyyouare18or Im not following him on Twitch and I don't know whether or not he has a UA-cam channel, so nah Im not protecting reckful or some shit like that, I just hate people who viewbot, because they choke other hardworking streamers who deserves it more. I don't expect a kid like you to be able to comprehend that, but at least I have an argument other than calling someone I don't know for 'virgin'. Also, Ive had a girlfriend for 3 years now, but k.
I don't understand why Reckful hasn't been permabanned from twitch yet. All he does is shit-talk, whine and try to stir up shit. Contributing more trash to an already cancerous community.
+TK-315 CloneM He gets slandered with no evidence against or for him. The payment argument is null due to people using adblock but dipshits don't understand this. I don't watch Massan and I don't intend to but I don't think he's viewbotting.
+Linesweeper It is clear that there is *NO* evidence to prove wether he is viewbotting or not, *BUT* there are viewbots on his streams for several months. While he denies using bots, he doesn't really minds them (or acknowledge the fact that there are bots on this stream), he doesn't say "Oh Well, let me restart the stream, perhaps the bots will go away" or anything. If you find 10 dollar whenever you open the door for several weeks you'd atleast question it, contact the police, hire a private investigator or something...
Massan Fanboys be like: "I don't know who these people are, or what is Twitch, but I think this guy Reckful is full of shit" "There is no evidence but even if there was, why do you care?" "I don't support Massan, but Reckful is always shitting on other streamers, he's jealous".
Lol. The only comments opposing reckful are like "what a douche" "sherlock holmes" "I wanna punch him in the face" xDD That's how you know you got em..when that's all they can come up with. It's called entertainment...but beyond that...maybe the nigga is just curious? Something wrong with that? And...if massan was view botting his own stream....well, that's against twitch rules....ruckful wants to help enforce the rules that twitch has set because he believes they are just? ALSO he wasn't even being a douche >.< Byron was actually being pretty much as nice as he could...he even gave him the benefit of the doubt by saying even if there was bots that he thought massan didn't know about them? ANNNDD so fucking what if it's petty? Petty isn't an inherently bad characteristic... slightly off topic...but I hate those fucks who use words like "petty" as if it's just this catch all term that's just used as an insult >.< these words have specific meaning...you should look em up before you try to use them xD
and what Reckful win wit this? Reckful guy u always talk about he brother committed suicide just to receive more donation he did this like 30 mil times....
Basic common sense: The more you try to explain yourself, the more you show you are lying. That Massan guy could have easily avoid all the numbers and the explanation and said something like: "I don't give a shit about what you think, i'm not viewbotting... and i don't have the need to explain myself to you or anyone rather than the twitch mods" and even if that was a lie, it would have been more believable. just sayin'.
+Eik Well, in a way it does effect him, and every other hearthstone streamer. The average viewer without any direct favorites or someone who's new to the game would probably join the channel with the most views, for obvious reasons. If someone is viewbotting, they may receive views that may have gone to some other, smaller streamer instead of them, were they not viewbotting.
+Conny Lundgren +Conny Lundgren Reckful doesn't stream heartstone to play hearthstone, only because it's an easy game to play while putting most of his attention to chat. It means nothing to byrone.
+MikeTall88 So all Reckful have is 'someone from twitch told me that there are viewbots on massans channel' and then he tells Massan to get in contact with someone at twitch, not the same person, just someone, to proof that he is innocent. What a fucker, he made a claim and he has nothing more than someone said so.
+MikeTall88 because the smoking gun (if it exists) is on either massan or twitch. reckful is just a spectator making an observation like the rest of us.
"Massan insists he does not viewbot yet Reckful says he spoke to Twitch employees who told him otherwise." Bullshit. Twitch employees told him that there were viewbots in Massan's channel. That is completely different from "Massan does run a viewbot on his own channel." So what if some guy (who Massan doesn't know) runs a viewbot for Massan's channel? Is that Massan's fault? No it isn't.
+schizzlschnitzl Yet it is difficult to assume that he is unaware of the viewbotting. He either is willfully blind to it or knows about it and condones it. Thats where I lay blame with him. Sure some third party may be running a view bot to assist him, yet he should do his due diligence and report it.
+schizzlschnitzl a few viewbots isn't the issue here. hes talking about the the hundreds or thousands of botted views. It makes a big difference to ones stream. What sounds more impressive 500 viewers or 1500? Im totally gonna click on the popular stream to see what the fuss is about. If someone is sending that many viewbots to his stream then they are doing it to benefit him so regardless if he is causing it, he is gaining from it.
Just admit it, massan stream is way better than yours and tbh usually Massan streams when the good streamers are offline and he switch to other games when Amaz or forsen come online and by good streamers i mean Amaz, Massan, Forsen, Reynad, Krip, Noxx, JustSaiyan and Trump ONLY! and tbh
Reckful is very good at swaying people to side with him. His entire chat now hates Massan for no apparent reason other than everyone else in the Reckful community does. Completely unnecessary nobody would want to be in Massan's position.
Seriously like screw all the people who are complaining about Reckful complaining. He does the same thing massan does but longer and he gets less attention because it's possible that someone is cheating the system. Both work really hard but it's unfair to have one person have a bigger rep because of flaws in Twitch.
+Jered Watkins245 haha yea good point, perhaps reckfull is viewbotting too, it happens alot that people divert attention by accusing someone else. Maybe massan is, but the reason for reckfull attacking him reminds me of a 90's detective movie where he is infact the murderer. It makes sense :D kappa?
MangoBango Reckful ticks me off dude. He needs to worry about his own freaking stream. Now Massan uses some stupid voice changer and won't use a webcam anymore... It is just stupid. Every time I go into Reckfuls stream he is always telling other streamers what they need to do.
what the fool that made this vid doesnt understand is its not right that Twitch employees is telling him anything about the other guy. can you say privacy? Get a lawyer
why is reckful even so salty about this? i mean sure massan viewbots, but why make such a huge deal of it and put so much effort into this lol, is he really that much butthurt? 4Head
it actually sounds completely legit. he has 600k total viewers, and reckful had about 500k, NA viewers give 40% more, each of their monthly ad revenue was roughly $2.5k/$2.6k. for getting 20% more viewers than reckful but not earning that extra 40% off ad revenue off most of your viewers because most of them are not NA it actually pretty much scales out perfectly if i estimate it. i dont think hes viewbotting.
Bill sees someone he doesn't like on the internet He does not affect Bill Bill doesn't say anything and goes to another website. Bill is smart Be like Bill
If I worked at Twitch as a "higher-up" I'd ban Reckful for undermining the validity and accuracy of Twitch policy. Also, if Twitch doesn't have suggestions for streamers like: Focus on having a good stream and improving your own content. or Representing other streams without that streamer's permission is against the rules, then Twitch itself is pretty unreliable. I wouldn't work under these conditions.
+Friar Ruse I think you're arguing a different point. Of course there are upsides and downsides to be considered for Twitch as a company. However, I think the way Reckful talks about "the higher ups" and clearly making the most negative connotations possible about Massan are both reasons that as a Twitch employee I would probably politely ask him to meddle in something else, like his own business. If he had approached it differently, I'm sure there wouldn't much of a problem. That's also why I made the comment about Twitch being unreliable. I don't see them as having a large corporate scene that has the capability of making policies to protect public image in this way. It makes streamers basically prostitutes working there asses off for the big pimp daddy, Twitch. Not the way I wanna work...
Because having a lot of views from bots make real viewers come to your channel more, considering it is at the top of twitch. Massan is taking from people truly working hard and just turns on his viewbots and dominates the hearthstone scene.
I'm not a massan fan or anything, I usually watch like Forsen or someone else, but Massan isn't view botting. This is Rekful being Salty about massan having more viewers than him xD. Massan even told him that they almost the same amount of views in a month. Whatever xD I will never like Rekful
Why do people care about viewbotters? If you like the stream, support it. If you don't, then don't. It's not like their botting forces you into watching them, liking them, or supporting them.
Sure, I wondered how Massan has so many viewers sometimes. I mean, I have nothing bad to say against him, I've watched his stream quite a few times, but it's nothing special, so I often wondered why he has so many viewers compared to some other streamers. But yeah, in all honesty, who cares even if he is viewbotting?
Rekful is so immature - it's really not his place to make these allegations, or even care. I love how he didn't even know the right questions to ask, and Massan had to keep correcting him. I don't even watch Massan but I've seen his stream and he's a nice guy. Rekful has the same level of intelligence an maturity as most twitch chat so he's behavior is not surprising.
I dunno what viewbotting is or who these dudes are, but I'd like to see them go toe-to-toe with one another, wearing nothing but loincloths and brandishing butter knives.
that actually sounds fucking awesome
Hahahaha. All twitch beef should be settled as such
+Grimbanks viewbotting is the act of utilizing a computer program ("bot") to inflate the overall number of viewers on a channel. These programs "view" different Twitch streams/UA-cam videos in order to inflate the number of "current viewers" (in the case of a streaming service like Twitch.tv) and "video views" (in the case of VoD services like UA-cam).
The "bots" will sometimes write pre-programmed text into chat (on Twitch, etc...) or leave comments (on UA-cam, etc...) in an attempt to appear to be "real" human beings. This is done to inflate the status of the streamer, often with the intent of increasing ad revenue. More viewers = more ads being seen at any given time = more ad revenue shared with the streamer. However, if the majority of a streamers "viewers" are "bots," then services like Twitch will not pay the streamer any ad-revenue for those views, as computer programs obviously don't buy things based off of the viewing of advertisements the way that human beings do.
+Grimbanks I approve and agree with this.
+Grimbanks :D It means that you pay a site to make artifical views on your stream. Although this does not get you any extra Money, it does put you higher in the search window. This means it is more likely People click on your stream then anyone elses :) Hopy it helps Russel Crowe :)
Yeah cause viewbotting is so much morally lower than constantly bringing in girlfriend drama in a fucking video game stream
+Skoshtwo drama > viewbotting Kappa
+Skoshtwo The thing is viewbotting is against terms of service and bringing gf drama is supposedly not. Eventhough I am with you on the fact that it's really, don't how to put it, distasteful?
+Skoshtwo Reckful doesnt view streaming as "streaming" like other people do.
It's more like a Talkshow for him and his viewers . he just doesnt want to get reported for non-gaming content.
If u dont like the stuff he talks about then just dont watch.
Viewbotting however, goes against the TOS of twitch.
+OoStefborgoO Double Post bug FailFish
+Truls Olav Smart du
Massan: "Chat what's going on?"
Chat: (beep boop)
hahahaha
115 MasSan's viewbots disliked
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Why bring his mother in it? That didn't seem cool.
+Spared Spider He was just using an example of someone who would care about MaSsan enough to go out of their way to do something helpful like this for him without his knowledge.
+Apostol Victor Listen you emotifag SJW fuck, who the fuck goes around the internet calling people "scum" like you have some sort of moral highground over anyone? Reckful is an entertaining streamer and a sweet guy so your comment actually doesn't make any sense and it's baffling that anyone would even vote that shit up, I guess it was some Jenna whiteknight ...ew.
+Apostol Victor I don't like either Reckful or Massan, but viewbotting gives him an unfair advantage. Having a constant base of a few thousand viewbots is both going to make your stream more visible. and people are going to be more likely to watch someone with more viewers.
I don't think this line of thinking can be disputed, it's just what people do. If I'm checking out a new game on twitch for the first time, I wouldn't choose the guy with 500 viewers over the guy with 5/10/20/50K viewers, either.
I'm not going to try arguing you what's worse between being a huge asshole or cheating the system, but you have to agree neither of those are decent, viewbotting still isn't a defensible thing.
+Vincent Price I'm probably a really weird one out here, but I almost never go to streams with lots of viewers, unless it's someone I really enjoy watching (usually someone from UA-cam). For any game, old or new, I'm always scrolling to the bottom of the list to the streams with 1 or 2 viewers. I like the empty chat-rooms and the personal connections I can make in a 1 on 1 conversation with streamers. All I'm saying is to not say "it's just what people do" because not everyone does that. Besides if no one did that, then the same popular streams would stay popular forever and all of the streams with no viewers would never get any fame.
Mastermind Tobi When a scene gets established it's very hard for players to become big names.
Most of the big names in Hearthstone, League of Legends, any big game really, have been there early on.
That's obviously not a universal truth, there are exceptions to everything. But for the most part that's how it is.
You're also an exception to what is very common place. I'm not saying everyone flocks to the popular channels but that is what most people do.
You can't honestly tell me that viewbotting doesn't make your channel more popular, give you an unfair advantage, and give you more visibility because it undeniably does these things.
And that's the main point. Fewer people look specifically for one on one interactions or empty Twitch chat, and instead come for the gameplay or entertainment of the streamer.
It is human nature that people are more likely to flock to something that has been given approval/a seal of quality from others.
One of the worst confrontations I've ever seen. Neither of them seem to be able to string two words together or understand anything the other person is saying.
Muck Fassan !
So he has no proof? Then streams accusing another streamer for viewbotting?
he was right tho lol the guy got perma banned for viewbotting
man was a legend
firstly... it was so hard for reckful not to be an ass about it... which was somewhat understandable... secondly view botting isn't something that masan wouldn't do.... I could imagine him doing it and being excited about it...
+jugr daj But who gives a shit?? MasSan viewbots or he doesn't, why do you give a shit? Idiot
+DaeHan2321 I do care "idiot" cuz if 100+ "idiots" such as yourself stars view botting in twitch we would never have good new streamers cuz all the top 100 would be IDIOTS!!!
+jugr daj A goat, that's the best you got? Wow, stay in school kid. Next time you comment, don't be stupid about it? Try that for once dipshit. HAHA! Resorting to "gay" and "mom" jokes proves you're losing in an argument, clearly I'm not. So no, I didn't forget anything.
+Max Mustermann thank god!! someone with more than two brain cells :")
+jugr daj "two brain cells" horrible remark. Clearly you have no idea how the human brain works let alone twitchTV. I suggest you stay in school kid and try to get an education because you have displayed to the whole world how much of an idiot you are. How embarrassing...
to all the people taking sides (reckful or massan) we all must admit this is entertaining
2 pathological liars square off! whoever talks over the other the most is def the winner
Why would Twitch employees talk to reckful about things like this? Seems kind of strange to share info about other people's channels with him.
I never expected that the player base for a card game would be so salty.
I'm not defending anyone, I don't know either of these two streamers, but why is it your business if he has viewbots and Twitch already knows? You said yourself he isn't making more money off of it.
Because the person who is the most watched in a game shows up first when you click on that section.
Massan is such a bot he doesn't even know when it's his turn to speak
My first and only question is why is this Reckful guy asking Twitch about Massan's viewbotting? He's all about the drama I guess?
Wahhh Wahhh they have more views then me, view bot wahhh. Again I don't know anything about twitch but this guy sounds like he reaching hard.
Clearly he is popular because he complains about all the streamers doing better then him, get your own viewers and stop slandering people, if he did use view bots who cares, it just means your stream is to shitty to make people switch over.
How the hell does someone else using bots to make their shitty channel look good mean that anyone who calls them out has a shitty channel
Medical Shadow who cares? if he uses bots dont watch his shit. if other people find his channel because of view bots they still decide to watch it or not.
if his channel was shitty people would stop watching, but they dont so it's prob not bad.
Roronoa D Vegeta exactly, people will find him because he viewbots, if they see him as one of the top players they'll just assume he's one of the best twitch has to offer and won't check out better streamers who actually work for what they have
Medical Shadow if they check him out and enjoy it who gives a fuck, only bitches.
+Roronoa D Vegeta It's also about sponsors. They'll go to the person who looks like they're getting the most views, so (if Massan is botting) he'll be making money fraudulently and cutting people who are actually trying to work legitimately out of it.
He's just spiraling while he's talking. spiraling out of control.
Has twitch resonded to massan yet? Has massan said anything after this?
reckful looks like he just thinks what he is doing with his life everytime he wakes up.
He asks him to ask the higher ups over and over and show it and he is running away from the question
MrDestructiod BEEP BOOP Massan's viewbots disliked this video MrDestructiod BEEP BOOP
everybody is just arguing over this shit and i'm just sitting here screaming cuz this guy got 2 legendaries in one pack. 10:38
Reckful doesn't listen or let massan respond and doesn't show any quotes or proof. kind of odd really.
Bitter much Reckful?
+verifyyouare18or Im not following him on Twitch and I don't know whether or not he has a UA-cam channel, so nah Im not protecting reckful or some shit like that, I just hate people who viewbot, because they choke other hardworking streamers who deserves it more. I don't expect a kid like you to be able to comprehend that, but at least I have an argument other than calling someone I don't know for 'virgin'. Also, Ive had a girlfriend for 3 years now, but k.
I don't understand why Reckful hasn't been permabanned from twitch yet. All he does is shit-talk, whine and try to stir up shit. Contributing more trash to an already cancerous community.
reckful your argument fell apart
It's all fun and games until someone loses a viewbot
I fucking love reckful, he is so real and just say whatever is on his mind.
If anything, this video made me respect Massan (whom I don't even know), more than Reckful. He handled the drama like a champ.
+Omid Feghahati He handled the drama, but that only means he is a good actor.
+TK-315 CloneM He gets slandered with no evidence against or for him. The payment argument is null due to people using adblock but dipshits don't understand this. I don't watch Massan and I don't intend to but I don't think he's viewbotting.
Sass Albert Aare That is no evidence unless he's working from Twitch mate.
+Linesweeper It is clear that there is *NO* evidence to prove wether he is viewbotting or not, *BUT* there are viewbots on his streams for several months. While he denies using bots, he doesn't really minds them (or acknowledge the fact that there are bots on this stream), he doesn't say "Oh Well, let me restart the stream, perhaps the bots will go away" or anything.
If you find 10 dollar whenever you open the door for several weeks you'd atleast question it, contact the police, hire a private investigator or something...
TK-315 CloneM Has Twitch said that there are viewbots or are we just taking rivaling streamers words for it?
reckful is the only one that cares about massan potentially viewbotting or not.
Massan Fanboys be like:
"I don't know who these people are, or what is Twitch, but I think this guy Reckful is full of shit"
"There is no evidence but even if there was, why do you care?"
"I don't support Massan, but Reckful is always shitting on other streamers, he's jealous".
Lol. The only comments opposing reckful are like "what a douche" "sherlock holmes" "I wanna punch him in the face" xDD That's how you know you got em..when that's all they can come up with.
It's called entertainment...but beyond that...maybe the nigga is just curious? Something wrong with that? And...if massan was view botting his own stream....well, that's against twitch rules....ruckful wants to help enforce the rules that twitch has set because he believes they are just?
ALSO he wasn't even being a douche >.< Byron was actually being pretty much as nice as he could...he even gave him the benefit of the doubt by saying even if there was bots that he thought massan didn't know about them?
ANNNDD so fucking what if it's petty? Petty isn't an inherently bad characteristic...
slightly off topic...but I hate those fucks who use words like "petty" as if it's just this catch all term that's just used as an insult >.< these words have specific meaning...you should look em up before you try to use them xD
xD Well said xD
so what was the outcome
+ルカス he got banned today
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Thanks m8
248 veiwbots were programmed to dislike this video MrDestructoid Keepo
what did twitch tell him lol?
Wats dis game called?
Nobody understands why Reckful is mad. Why is the comment section so full of lil kiddies?
and what Reckful win wit this? Reckful guy u always talk about he brother committed suicide just to receive more donation he did this like 30 mil times....
+Nuno M ENGLISH do you speak it!?
Basic common sense: The more you try to explain yourself, the more you show you are lying. That Massan guy could have easily avoid all the numbers and the explanation and said something like: "I don't give a shit about what you think, i'm not viewbotting... and i don't have the need to explain myself to you or anyone rather than the twitch mods" and even if that was a lie, it would have been more believable. just sayin'.
why the streamers are so dramaqueens nowadays? why they just camt focus on playing... just sayin
158 MasSan fake accounts disliked this video.
Still botting to this day, just on smaller scales.
smh all these bots disliking the vid, I manually checked each comment and they are all fake youtube accounts
Why the fuck would someone go out of their way to find out information about something that DOESN'T EVEN EFFECT THEM?
Honestly, does that fucking hurt your feelings that he or someone else puts fake viewers in his channel? Honestly.
+Eik
Well, in a way it does effect him, and every other hearthstone streamer. The average viewer without any direct favorites or someone who's new to the game would probably join the channel with the most views, for obvious reasons. If someone is viewbotting, they may receive views that may have gone to some other, smaller streamer instead of them, were they not viewbotting.
+Conny Lundgren +Conny Lundgren Reckful doesn't stream heartstone to play hearthstone, only because it's an easy game to play while putting most of his attention to chat. It means nothing to byrone.
Whether that is true or not, it doesn't in any way alter the validity of my argument.
Man
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If he does, and he has not done it himself, how is he supposed to fix it? He cant. So what the fuck man?
Haha! I think everyone knows it too, I always wondered with a guy like MASSAN would have that many views. It never made sense.
The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim, Reckful surely messed up, poor thing. And he tries to put the burden on Massan.
+MikeTall88 So all Reckful have is 'someone from twitch told me that there are viewbots on massans channel' and then he tells Massan to get in contact with someone at twitch, not the same person, just someone, to proof that he is innocent. What a fucker, he made a claim and he has nothing more than someone said so.
+MikeTall88 because the smoking gun (if it exists) is on either massan or twitch. reckful is just a spectator making an observation like the rest of us.
U do know that reckful knows about the amaz view bottling situation right? He has more evidence then just a claim...
"Massan insists he does not viewbot yet Reckful says he spoke to Twitch employees who told him otherwise."
Bullshit. Twitch employees told him that there were viewbots in Massan's channel. That is completely different from "Massan does run a viewbot on his own channel."
So what if some guy (who Massan doesn't know) runs a viewbot for Massan's channel? Is that Massan's fault? No it isn't.
+Som Guy oh right i forgot about the youtube commentary niveau...
+schizzlschnitzl Yet it is difficult to assume that he is unaware of the viewbotting. He either is willfully blind to it or knows about it and condones it. Thats where I lay blame with him. Sure some third party may be running a view bot to assist him, yet he should do his due diligence and report it.
+schizzlschnitzl who would pay to put viewbots in massans channel that would be a waste of resources
+schizzlschnitzl a few viewbots isn't the issue here. hes talking about the the hundreds or thousands of botted views.
It makes a big difference to ones stream. What sounds more impressive 500 viewers or 1500?
Im totally gonna click on the popular stream to see what the fuss is about.
If someone is sending that many viewbots to his stream then they are doing it to benefit him so regardless if he is causing it, he is gaining from it.
Just admit it, massan stream is way better than yours and tbh usually Massan streams when the good streamers are offline and he switch to other games when Amaz or forsen come online
and by good streamers i mean Amaz, Massan, Forsen, Reynad, Krip, Noxx, JustSaiyan and Trump ONLY! and tbh
"Haha UA-cam Haha" that prediction though
we can all agree... we hate massan....the viewbots just makes it easier
LAAAAAWL LWAAAAAL LAAAAAWL LWAAAAAAL LWAAAAAAL :0
If he Dosent viewbot..... Why the fuck does he get so fucking mad ??
Reckful must have adhd or something. So speedy and twichy...
Reckful is very good at swaying people to side with him. His entire chat now hates Massan for no apparent reason other than everyone else in the Reckful community does. Completely unnecessary nobody would want to be in Massan's position.
he as viewbotting he got banned so your comment sounds dumb
eventually massan got banned for viewbotting. Kappa.
if someone is viewbotting, who the fuck cares lol?
what
At the end of the day there's no way Massan gets that many views because he's a terrible streamer
I WANT TO BE THE ONLY PERSON NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS. SOOOOO
ITS TIME
TO D
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D-D-D-
DUUUUEEEEEL!
You missed one D before duel.
hey twitch chat!
Seriously like screw all the people who are complaining about Reckful complaining. He does the same thing massan does but longer and he gets less attention because it's possible that someone is cheating the system. Both work really hard but it's unfair to have one person have a bigger rep because of flaws in Twitch.
i mean still made around the same amount of money like he said viewbots don't count for ad revenue.
Muck fassan
so when Massan had 14k viewers he was veiwbotting. So when Recktard had almost 20k a few days ago was he viewbotting?
+Jered Watkins245 haha yea good point, perhaps reckfull is viewbotting too, it happens alot that people divert attention by accusing someone else. Maybe massan is, but the reason for reckfull attacking him reminds me of a 90's detective movie where he is infact the murderer. It makes sense :D kappa?
MangoBango Reckful ticks me off dude. He needs to worry about his own freaking stream. Now Massan uses some stupid voice changer and won't use a webcam anymore... It is just stupid. Every time I go into Reckfuls stream he is always telling other streamers what they need to do.
Massan fanboys in the comments getting upset cuz reckful is bout 2 make massan homeless Kappa
reckful makes massan look so stupid in this
what the fool that made this vid doesnt understand is its not right that Twitch employees is telling him anything about the other guy. can you say privacy? Get a lawyer
Reckful are just mad because Massan gets more viewers than him Kappa
did massan ever do this? what did the twitch people respond with?
why is reckful even so salty about this? i mean sure massan viewbots, but why make such a huge deal of it and put so much effort into this lol, is he really that much butthurt? 4Head
it actually sounds completely legit. he has 600k total viewers, and reckful had about 500k, NA viewers give 40% more, each of their monthly ad revenue was roughly $2.5k/$2.6k. for getting 20% more viewers than reckful but not earning that extra 40% off ad revenue off most of your viewers because most of them are not NA it actually pretty much scales out perfectly if i estimate it. i dont think hes viewbotting.
Bill sees someone he doesn't like on the internet
He does not affect Bill
Bill doesn't say anything and goes to another website.
Bill is smart
Be like Bill
If I worked at Twitch as a "higher-up" I'd ban Reckful for undermining the validity and accuracy of Twitch policy. Also, if Twitch doesn't have suggestions for streamers like: Focus on having a good stream and improving your own content. or Representing other streams without that streamer's permission is against the rules, then Twitch itself is pretty unreliable. I wouldn't work under these conditions.
+Friar Ruse I think you're arguing a different point. Of course there are upsides and downsides to be considered for Twitch as a company. However, I think the way Reckful talks about "the higher ups" and clearly making the most negative connotations possible about Massan are both reasons that as a Twitch employee I would probably politely ask him to meddle in something else, like his own business. If he had approached it differently, I'm sure there wouldn't much of a problem. That's also why I made the comment about Twitch being unreliable. I don't see them as having a large corporate scene that has the capability of making policies to protect public image in this way. It makes streamers basically prostitutes working there asses off for the big pimp daddy, Twitch. Not the way I wanna work...
Massan is viewbotting lol
why is reckful concerned about someone else viewbotting? stay in your lane bro lol who cares if he is view bottling
Because having a lot of views from bots make real viewers come to your channel more, considering it is at the top of twitch. Massan is taking from people truly working hard and just turns on his viewbots and dominates the hearthstone scene.
maybe rekful is veiwbotting masan
Reckful is even more socially akward than Massan ._.
I'm not a massan fan or anything, I usually watch like Forsen or someone else, but Massan isn't view botting. This is Rekful being Salty about massan having more viewers than him xD. Massan even told him that they almost the same amount of views in a month. Whatever xD I will never like Rekful
But it is very clear that Massans viewbotting...
Ruck Feckful, really, cant even let massan finish his sentence without interrupting
Reckful : Taking out the competition one streamer at a time.
Can't get the views yourself? Take out the others.
subtitties biblethummies :(
Why do people care about viewbotters? If you like the stream, support it. If you don't, then don't. It's not like their botting forces you into watching them, liking them, or supporting them.
reckful is a girl
I fuckin love massan idgaf
No one cares.
reckful is just a cry baby
Sure, I wondered how Massan has so many viewers sometimes. I mean, I have nothing bad to say against him, I've watched his stream quite a few times, but it's nothing special, so I often wondered why he has so many viewers compared to some other streamers. But yeah, in all honesty, who cares even if he is viewbotting?
Everyone bots............ BOOHOOHOOOOOO cry more
This is so cringe and hilarious at the same time hahaha.
SALT.
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Rekful is so immature - it's really not his place to make these allegations, or even care. I love how he didn't even know the right questions to ask, and Massan had to keep correcting him. I don't even watch Massan but I've seen his stream and he's a nice guy. Rekful has the same level of intelligence an maturity as most twitch chat so he's behavior is not surprising.
You do realise that everything points to massan view boting, and view boting is the issue here not the dude.
You do realise that everything points to massan view boting, and view boting is the issue here not the dude.
You do realise that everything points to massan view boting, and view boting is the issue here not the dude.
Slandering another persons name to try and create viewers and interest.....man Reckful, seeing this made me lose alot of respect for you.
cringe haHAA
he should just mind his own business tbh
MUCK FASSAN
dramaaaaaaaaaa
20000veiwers * 31 days ( in october) = 620k total views massan is right