I dont think the spilt in golf is the problem i think the problem is the tv coverage is just soooo bad i can watch hours and hours of youtube golf but 15 minutes into pga coverage and im board stiff.
It’s not just the coverage, it’s the amount of ads in PGA golf. LIV is ad free on their app and on YT, it also affords its players the chance to embrace YT. Bryson 1.6m subs, the others are at it as well
@@Pud56 Yes i agree on the ads topic. It seems like the PGA tries so hard to make people think that their coverage is the best of them all, while they're actually making it worse and worse every year...
It’s getting to a point where less and less people care what happens with Liv, PGA tour and DP tour. The tv coverage is dull with the same commentary week in week out , most of the US courses appear the same it’s just got stale. DP tour is a better watch as the courses vary more and the commentary is better than the US dross. If things don’t change viewership and sponsors will continue to fall away.
Lots of interesting stuff. Thanks lads. I'm pretty sure that most blokes of my vintage, who have been playing for nearly 50 years, got a hole in one on your second par 4 question. Well done me, hehe!
LIV plays around the world, PGA tour is US based. Countries outside of US and EUR love LIV because we get to see it. We need a Premier League world tour events above LIV PGA and DP tours
I'm a weekly listener of the podcast and have watched many a Pete golf video. As a potential game suggestion, an idea could be a 2 v 2 challenge to create the best 18-holes using only courses from UK golf courses. The challenge would be that if the other team picks a hole from a course then that hole cannot be used again. As an example, Pete and Mick could take the first pick and select the 17th at JCB, then Kieren/Jacob are unable to use that hole for their 17th hole. But they could pick another hole from JCB.The Discord would then vote for who designed and picked the best 18 holes from UK courses or social media. Really enjoy the podcast and look forward to the next episodes coming up. Struggled to post this idea in the discord but I think it’s user error
Great to see the whole gang together, loved watching Mick’s face when the US dream trip was being talked about. 100th episode next … well done to you all.
I watched the whole season of LIV golf this year. I can safely say I didn't care about the prize money, and they don't really make a big deal of it. I have to say, as an impartial lover of golf, the product was pretty good. The team aspect works well, and they were definitely helped by Bryson winning the US Open.
I don't often watch golf live on TV but I turned on the Queensland PGA on Sunday to see how Cameron Smith was going. I watched one group take 15 minutes to each take 2 putts on a green and promptly switched off. If I want to watch exciting sport, think I'll watch yachting.😢
@RoughCutGolfPodcast difficult as I've not seen an avengers film but I'll give you a lotr alternate: Pete = Aragon Keiran = gimli (sorry mate) Jacob = king theoden Mick = sam David = gandalf Pls don't ban me lol
I got double on the first guess the player but a hole in one on a par 4 in the second round. I knew Jack was born in Columbus OH. The second shot would’ve got me but I know Palmer was born in Latrobe PA.
Haven’t watched a full round of professional golf on tv since…. Most events the best players don’t attend, LIV commentary sucks, DP World tour most interesting among the three at the moment, but my first choice would always be to search for a new Luke Kwon, Peter Finch, Micah Morris, Taco Golf video. It’s strictly shots with the best commentary. 18 holes in 1.5 hours is perfect
Bandaoke is 100% around in Manchester, Every Saturday in Bunny Jacksons, 11Central in Salford has 1 on the 2nd Friday of Every Month and there's soon to be one Every Thursday in a bar called No Vacancy
I heard different about the merger. All staying seperate but allows players to choose their schedule in all 3 how the players see fit. i.e. Scotty plays in Dubai on LIV. Then, shoots to a DP event in Italy before heading to the Open in the UK. For everyone who asks about teams. IDK. But with several captains leaving, they could manage the teams and build a team for each event with whomever they can court for their team that week.
Have no interest in the names of the PGA Tournaments so that is not what makes me watch an event - will watch all the majors and pop in and out of watching other events if I feel like it and depending who's playing so the prestige of a Wells Fargo would mean nothing to me.
I know it's a lot of work, but it would be funny to see a varying intro to the podcasts to the same jingle (bit like how the Simpsons had a little Easter egg change in their intro)....obviously not why I come here, but do a Christmas themed intro 😂
Surely it is not in the best interests of DJ who seems quite happy playing less. Cam Smith seems very happy playing on LIV, drinking beer from his shoe and being fresh enough to play in Australia based events (not just LIV). There would need to be significant change to make this work how people would want it to. BDC and Brooks may play PGA Tour as well, but surely loads of players on LIV at the end of their contracts could be up the creek without a paddle??? #Mess
These match series's don't interest me, and professional golf events have a big problem . That problem is the number of ads. It just kills the flow and tension for the viewer who is watching it. So because of that, I have drifted away from watching the PGA tour events, especially.
But of constructive feedback from a big fan. I can’t watch these, too long, I do sometimes watch the short 10 min ones on a set subject and enjoy them. I don’t know if you do as audio podcast, but that way I could listen as I walk the dog in same way I do Rogan or others. I’m sure it’s some great comet o just can’t get thru it in a videos format. Hope it’s taken as intended 👍
Pretty sure they literally point out that you can consume the podcasts on whatever platform you prefer. It's not just a UA-cam video. I usually listen/watch while walking the baby or maybe doing some work or driving. Take it how you like it. Cheers
Does the European Tour become more appealing to the college kids, the next Brooks etc ... with Korn Ferry reducing numbers going to PGA Tour? Is European Tour better than Korn Ferry??? 🧐
LIV and the PGA should never be reconciled and especially for a price. I have left the LIV players behind they aren't even a second thought anymore. If the PGA is for sale that will be the end of me following golf.
I think this could actually be really interesting and potentially helpful for average golfers to actually see what the expectations are. Unfortunately the way the time restrictions are right now it's not per shot, but per round. So I guess they would have to have a running countdown through the round? I guess that could work too...
I won't pay to watch golf if it's got adverts every 10mins either its funded by subscription or adverts but not both. I've watched and got interested in LIV because it wasn't behind a paywall and it's advert free
Possibly not the best outcome for the players. If all the Tour's are cooperative, there is no pressure to increase purses. Smaller purses for smaller fields with less opportunity to make those fields
If TNT is paying the bills, get used to who they want on these shows. American based companies are probably gonna lean towards US athletes and personalities
You spoke last week about the cost of the ryder cup tickets ..which is making it exclusive ..now here we go with the PGA becoming exclusive ...DP will vanish ..going down this only money road
i think its good for DP tour that PGA goes exclusive even better if they keep time to play timer and have faster play with underdog or hero stories. i think viewers rather see that DP tour then PGA
I had to stop watching the Bryan Bros because Wesley says LIKE every fourth word. Now Kieren has adopted this infuriating habit! Please, please, please ✋️ - stop it before I have to unsubscribe from my weekly Rough Cut hit 🙏.
saw the first LIV tournament after that my interest was zero, most of it was stupid in my eyes. The only "team" i would find somewhat interesting and relevant would be a sort of "constructors" championship for the golf brands like Ping and TM etc choose 4-5 of their signed players before every competition that will contribute to their team score for that week and at the end of the year you have a nr1 brand. Or maybe have some more national teams completions just like on the amateur side. And just like you said, i dont give a f* how much some professional make, or even career earnings, it means nothing to me and seems like a very American thing. Having DP be the main tour would be great, not least because the broadcasts are miles better, most american broadcast are close to unwatchable due to all the commercials, while i dont actually SEE them, its instead constant still pictures of a bush or a static leaderboard for 2mins driving me nuts.(LPGA is even worse) DP also have more interesting courses overall so just missing some of the best players
I seen from a long time fan of golf most over really care anymore. It’s kind of like your ex-girlfriend when she’s gone for a few years you don’t think about her. Will it be cool? Sure but are they gonna be as good as they were because I don’t think their hearts in it like they used to berated maybe in the beginning, but I think the reason are down is because the broadcast are horrible. Too many commercials too much trying to be hard sell stories that’s my opinion and I’ve been watching golf for 30 years.
Viewership is going down because we are constantly bombarded by the same 4 days coverage at majors/pgas from mcginely, faldo, davis, and a load of other tosh being very unentertaining. If the commentary was an entertaining as the tech coverage now it wouldn't even compare. Advert TV is NOT entertaining, Listening to 70 years old talking about a different game they used to play is NOT interesting Bryson hitting 12* woods (claiming 7 woods on his channel) 300 yards is BORING
Please keep them separate. I’d rather see LIV succeed than have to watch many of the LIV players back on Tour. Just ditch the “rivalry” nonsense, that’s sooo boring. Many sports have the respective leagues meet for big events, we have the majors they can all play together there (I dunno make the top 6 from LIV get to play the majors) Sorry just getting tired of hearing “everyone wants them all playing together again” when I truly do not. I started watching wayyyy more PGA tour events each season after LIV started. I like the golf, hate personalities. It’s sport not a soap opera. Some of us just like sport and will never watch Full Swing, Drive to Survive etc. UA-cam wins because you can easily, if you like, choose a personality and Pete and team are the best 🎉 apologies for the rant 😬 To be fair I watch a lot more Ladies professional golf now because I know nothing about them, other than they’re amazing golfers 👍🏼
I dont think the spilt in golf is the problem i think the problem is the tv coverage is just soooo bad i can watch hours and hours of youtube golf but 15 minutes into pga coverage and im board stiff.
It’s not just the coverage, it’s the amount of ads in PGA golf. LIV is ad free on their app and on YT, it also affords its players the chance to embrace YT. Bryson 1.6m subs, the others are at it as well
@@Pud56 Yes i agree on the ads topic. It seems like the PGA tries so hard to make people think that their coverage is the best of them all, while they're actually making it worse and worse every year...
Also LIV golf is 4 to 5 hours and done, it's a bit frantic, but at least not hours of tedium
It’s getting to a point where less and less people care what happens with Liv, PGA tour and DP tour. The tv coverage is dull with the same commentary week in week out , most of the US courses appear the same it’s just got stale. DP tour is a better watch as the courses vary more and the commentary is better than the US dross.
If things don’t change viewership and sponsors will continue to fall away.
Lots of interesting stuff. Thanks lads.
I'm pretty sure that most blokes of my vintage, who have been playing for nearly 50 years, got a hole in one on your second par 4 question. Well done me, hehe!
LIV plays around the world, PGA tour is US based. Countries outside of US and EUR love LIV because we get to see it. We need a Premier League world tour events above LIV PGA and DP tours
I'm a weekly listener of the podcast and have watched many a Pete golf video. As a potential game suggestion, an idea could be a 2 v 2 challenge to create the best 18-holes using only courses from UK golf courses. The challenge would be that if the other team picks a hole from a course then that hole cannot be used again.
As an example, Pete and Mick could take the first pick and select the 17th at JCB, then Kieren/Jacob are unable to use that hole for their 17th hole. But they could pick another hole from JCB.The Discord would then vote for who designed and picked the best 18 holes from UK courses or social media. Really enjoy the podcast and look forward to the next episodes coming up. Struggled to post this idea in the discord but I think it’s user error
Great Podcast Pete And Team, Ive watched every episode and loved them all, Absolute Class Content 👏🏌♂⛳
Great to see the whole gang together, loved watching Mick’s face when the US dream trip was being talked about. 100th episode next … well done to you all.
He did not, he did not, look happy.
I watched the whole season of LIV golf this year. I can safely say I didn't care about the prize money, and they don't really make a big deal of it.
I have to say, as an impartial lover of golf, the product was pretty good. The team aspect works well, and they were definitely helped by Bryson winning the US Open.
Anyone else pause the video to have a sneaky read of the whiteboard?
I don't often watch golf live on TV but I turned on the Queensland PGA on Sunday to see how Cameron Smith was going. I watched one group take 15 minutes to each take 2 putts on a green and promptly switched off. If I want to watch exciting sport, think I'll watch yachting.😢
Happy to see "the slightly crap avengers," as Pete once coined back together.
Who’s who?
@RoughCutGolfPodcast difficult as I've not seen an avengers film but I'll give you a lotr alternate:
Pete = Aragon
Keiran = gimli (sorry mate)
Jacob = king theoden
Mick = sam
David = gandalf
Pls don't ban me lol
Sometimes golf is a pain in the butt
Really missed guess a player 🎉🎉🎉 you should do a special of it
Heard Jacob and mick mention house of games, get Pete on there
I got double on the first guess the player but a hole in one on a par 4 in the second round. I knew Jack was born in Columbus OH. The second shot would’ve got me but I know Palmer was born in Latrobe PA.
Haven’t watched a full round of professional golf on tv since…. Most events the best players don’t attend, LIV commentary sucks, DP World tour most interesting among the three at the moment, but my first choice would always be to search for a new Luke Kwon, Peter Finch, Micah Morris, Taco Golf video. It’s strictly shots with the best commentary. 18 holes in 1.5 hours is perfect
Bandaoke is 100% around in Manchester, Every Saturday in Bunny Jacksons, 11Central in Salford has 1 on the 2nd Friday of Every Month and there's soon to be one Every Thursday in a bar called No Vacancy
Coming soon, RCGP as Take That.
That FP match needs titled "The Match: XL" 😂
Mick would love that!
I heard different about the merger.
All staying seperate but allows players to choose their schedule in all 3 how the players see fit.
i.e. Scotty plays in Dubai on LIV. Then, shoots to a DP event in Italy before heading to the Open in the UK.
For everyone who asks about teams. IDK. But with several captains leaving, they could manage the teams and build a team for each event with whomever they can court for their team that week.
Have no interest in the names of the PGA Tournaments so that is not what makes me watch an event - will watch all the majors and pop in and out of watching other events if I feel like it and depending who's playing so the prestige of a Wells Fargo would mean nothing to me.
Kieren. From now on you owe me a quid every time you say 'like' 😂💷
I know it's a lot of work, but it would be funny to see a varying intro to the podcasts to the same jingle (bit like how the Simpsons had a little Easter egg change in their intro)....obviously not why I come here, but do a Christmas themed intro 😂
Omg this
Surely it is not in the best interests of DJ who seems quite happy playing less. Cam Smith seems very happy playing on LIV, drinking beer from his shoe and being fresh enough to play in Australia based events (not just LIV). There would need to be significant change to make this work how people would want it to. BDC and Brooks may play PGA Tour as well, but surely loads of players on LIV at the end of their contracts could be up the creek without a paddle??? #Mess
1:11:18 I would have had a hole in one on a par 4. Sir Jack Nicklaus. I’m from Ohio. He’s my golf hero.
These match series's don't interest me, and professional golf events have a big problem . That problem is the number of ads. It just kills the flow and tension for the viewer who is watching it. So because of that, I have drifted away from watching the PGA tour events, especially.
I got a hole in one with Guess the Player #2.
But of constructive feedback from a big fan. I can’t watch these, too long, I do sometimes watch the short 10 min ones on a set subject and enjoy them. I don’t know if you do as audio podcast, but that way I could listen as I walk the dog in same way I do Rogan or others. I’m sure it’s some great comet o just can’t get thru it in a videos format. Hope it’s taken as intended 👍
Pretty sure they literally point out that you can consume the podcasts on whatever platform you prefer. It's not just a UA-cam video. I usually listen/watch while walking the baby or maybe doing some work or driving. Take it how you like it. Cheers
@ haven’t noticed any idea what platform?
@@ducatidad8231 Probably all? Spotify for sure
Is Kieran wearing a men’s cap?
Got an eagle for Lowry 🎉
Does the European Tour become more appealing to the college kids, the next Brooks etc ... with Korn Ferry reducing numbers going to PGA Tour? Is European Tour better than Korn Ferry??? 🧐
LIV and the PGA should never be reconciled and especially for a price. I have left the LIV players behind they aren't even a second thought anymore. If the PGA is for sale that will be the end of me following golf.
Is Kieran a dolphins fan!?!?!
The MLB instituted a pitch timer on screen. Golf could do the same
I think this could actually be really interesting and potentially helpful for average golfers to actually see what the expectations are. Unfortunately the way the time restrictions are right now it's not per shot, but per round. So I guess they would have to have a running countdown through the round? I guess that could work too...
I won't pay to watch golf if it's got adverts every 10mins either its funded by subscription or adverts but not both. I've watched and got interested in LIV because it wasn't behind a paywall and it's advert free
Possibly not the best outcome for the players. If all the Tour's are cooperative, there is no pressure to increase purses. Smaller purses for smaller fields with less opportunity to make those fields
If TNT is paying the bills, get used to who they want on these shows. American based companies are probably gonna lean towards US athletes and personalities
I genuinely hope they dont come back. all the liv guys can stay gone
Obviously money can buy everything, I'm done with PGA and LIV I'll watch UA-cam golf.
You spoke last week about the cost of the ryder cup tickets ..which is making it exclusive ..now here we go with the PGA becoming exclusive ...DP will vanish ..going down this only money road
i think its good for DP tour that PGA goes exclusive even better if they keep time to play timer and have faster play with underdog or hero stories. i think viewers rather see that DP tour then PGA
I had to stop watching the Bryan Bros because Wesley says LIKE every fourth word. Now Kieren has adopted this infuriating habit!
Please, please, please ✋️ - stop it before I have to unsubscribe from my weekly Rough Cut hit 🙏.
*Yazoo
I only watch LIV and Majors. Normal PGA event is boring as hell and DP is absolute crap I had some respect for it when it was called European Tour.
saw the first LIV tournament after that my interest was zero, most of it was stupid in my eyes. The only "team" i would find somewhat interesting and relevant would be a sort of "constructors" championship for the golf brands like Ping and TM etc choose 4-5 of their signed players before every competition that will contribute to their team score for that week and at the end of the year you have a nr1 brand. Or maybe have some more national teams completions just like on the amateur side. And just like you said, i dont give a f* how much some professional make, or even career earnings, it means nothing to me and seems like a very American thing. Having DP be the main tour would be great, not least because the broadcasts are miles better, most american broadcast are close to unwatchable due to all the commercials, while i dont actually SEE them, its instead constant still pictures of a bush or a static leaderboard for 2mins driving me nuts.(LPGA is even worse) DP also have more interesting courses overall so just missing some of the best players
I seen from a long time fan of golf most over really care anymore. It’s kind of like your ex-girlfriend when she’s gone for a few years you don’t think about her. Will it be cool? Sure but are they gonna be as good as they were because I don’t think their hearts in it like they used to berated maybe in the beginning, but I think the reason are down is because the broadcast are horrible. Too many commercials too much trying to be hard sell stories that’s my opinion and I’ve been watching golf for 30 years.
Viewership is going down because we are constantly bombarded by the same 4 days coverage at majors/pgas from mcginely, faldo, davis, and a load of other tosh being very unentertaining.
If the commentary was an entertaining as the tech coverage now it wouldn't even compare. Advert TV is NOT entertaining, Listening to 70 years old talking about a different game they used to play is NOT interesting
Bryson hitting 12* woods (claiming 7 woods on his channel) 300 yards is BORING
Please keep them separate. I’d rather see LIV succeed than have to watch many of the LIV players back on Tour. Just ditch the “rivalry” nonsense, that’s sooo boring. Many sports have the respective leagues meet for big events, we have the majors they can all play together there (I dunno make the top 6 from LIV get to play the majors)
Sorry just getting tired of hearing “everyone wants them all playing together again” when I truly do not. I started watching wayyyy more PGA tour events each season after LIV started.
I like the golf, hate personalities. It’s sport not a soap opera. Some of us just like sport and will never watch Full Swing, Drive to Survive etc.
UA-cam wins because you can easily, if you like, choose a personality and Pete and team are the best 🎉
apologies for the rant 😬
To be fair I watch a lot more Ladies professional golf now because I know nothing about them, other than they’re amazing golfers 👍🏼
Its obvious IPL,style league in the fall instead of the fall series absolutely no one watches
works brilliantly, players can opt in or out.
@Renmazuo27 each team could have a roster of 6 to 8 players so they don't have to play every match, it needs to be 100% team matchplay to a final
Heard mick and Jacob mention House of games! Get Pete on there
@@shankedit65Love your idea. It's funny when LIV was first conceived, my mind went straight towards IPL.
Liv golf has ruined golf, as soon as the deal is done I switch off
if you do not enjoy playing golf do not try to gain interest watching others play golf
Noooooo! Not lefty Mick ! 👎
He plays right-handed
@ hilarious 👎