Bro you have to understand their problem too that they have to keep a good gap between manga and anime and right now anime is ridiculously close to manga. Otherwise something will happen to op what happened to GOT.
Prepare yourself for a return of Boss Luffy Historical Special! (Just kidding but that'd be hilarious if they actually brought that back for Wano intermissions.)
Dorner Dorner they do it’s not the animator fault that the show is weekly they don’t have time to catch up and make good content in terms of pacing wise unlike Aot or mha which has years
When Oda draws longer scenes some people complain that it takes too long. When Oda cuts some (to the overall plot ultimately unnessecary) scenes some people complain that its rushed. lol Whatever Oda does, he just can't win. :)
@@Falkuzrules also Oda making BM's group arrival delayed Fans: MUGHHHH THIS IS TAKING FOREVER MUGHHHH People will just complain about everything and anything Oda does no matter what
Only two weeks into Wano. It might be the Best Anime Ark ever or it could go downhill and be worst. We won't really know for at least 1 to 2 years. It is looking pretty epic so far.
@@michaeldmingo1525 well, animation is still gorgeous, but pacing has gone back down edit: actually, they may have just super SUPER slowed down the pace to reach around 50 chapter spacing, and now that we've reached it, they will adapt one chapter per episode instead of like 1/2 chapter per episode
Oda's not making 48 Chapters a year anymore, having a week of every 3 chapters. Oda's down to 36 Chapters a year approximately. Also Batman blocked Luffy's punch like wtf?
yeah, the the reason that one piece's pacing is an issue is that they arent allowed to not put out new episodes unless all people who have a stake in One Piece agree. Toei isn't the main issue. the tv network that airs one piece isn't willing to find something to replace one piece's timeslot, so they have no choice but to adapt year round. Hopefully, they'll be able to handle pace better for Wano.
Finally, someone who understands. The Toei hate pisses me off. It would be amazing if OP went seasonal though. It could become the best anime in history.
Shame, lot of people stopped watching anime during punk hazard and dressrosa, it was unbearable. Now I just watch the highlights on youtube. They should really try something new, adapt, and save the anime. Because the gap between manga and anime is always going to be this close.
Great video! I was thinking the same thing, like I dropped the anime at the end of Dressrosa, but after seeing the Wano trailer I might start watching again!
Well the quality began to pick up a little bit just when we arrived to Zou and becomes even better in Whole Cake, hope Wano will surpass his predecessor arc. I'm not counting the reverie disaster inbetweeen of course.
Somehow , I feel the anime streching manga panels is in fact beneficial for people like me who enjoy details and movement dynamics. For example watching Marineford is better than reading it , just like you wouldn't read a Fast and Furious book but watch the movie , there are a lot of visual, auditory dynamics which get left to the readers imagination for exclusive Manga readers.
Having seen your videos, I knew that you were a great reader for lots of reasons-Nice library-. Your reviews and interpretations from One Piece are amazing and I'm so happy for your growing. Greetings from Peru and please keep doing this!
i remember how hyped ppl were before Drasrossa started, how Toei made PH shit because they were saving budget for Dresrossa, how because the anime was so slow before so in DR they could pace DR well ... and then ... I have 0 hope at all until i see actual good quality consistently every ep, until then fuck Toei
I like the One Pace edit of the series but I do think a lot of these types of edits should still include some added material that fleshes out a scene or anything that genuinely adds to the series in a positive way. There’s some anime only stuff in Naruto that actually improved some scenes and moments from the manga but were removed in the Kai cut of it. I understand why since the goal was to make it as close as possible to the manga but sometimes when translating something to a different medium there’s some positive changes/additions.
The whole cake island is great in manga imo.However I can't stand watching the anime. It's ridiculous to take so much amount of time to land a punch, and add a lot of redundant stuff
@@cp2021 The anime in WCI was good after the Sanji fight pretty much. Production wise, it only really kicked off 100% at the tail end of the tea party after Big Mum's flashback, and kicked off even more for the Katakuri fight(which was the obvious focus for the most part).
The trailer looked great and it definitely made me more optimistic. Just feels like there's always going to be serious production problems with a long running series though. You make a good point about the anime potentially fleshing out more scenes. Good video Morj. Here's hoping you're right!
Eso de enseñar escenas que en el manga quedaban fuera de cámara ya se hizo con acierto en Whole Cake y te pongo dos ejemplos: 1- Cuando Luffy pelea contra el ejercito de la ira tras su "vs" con Sanji en el manga nos "dicen" que Nami ha usado a las nubes de Big Mom para freir con un poderoso rayo a gran parte de dicho ejercito, pero no lo vimos hasta que el anime si enseño dicha escena. 2- Hay un panel de Oda en la fiesta del Té donde se ve a todos los miembros del germa, a Sanji, Brook y alguno más pelear al mismo tiempo (en un solo pánel de gran tamaño), pues Toei convirtió ese panel en 15 minutos de esas peleas haciendo que el capitulo se sintiera con bastante acción pese a adaptar muy pocas páginas.
I remember when I read zou and thought that if they rlly wanted to they could turn those 23 chapters into 6 or 7 episodes if they rlly condensed it, and like 9 or 10 maximum. They made it 29 episodes
At it's best pre timeskip they adapted 2 chapters into 1 episode, so if it was paced super generously it would have been 11.5 episodes, they could have gone for 15 episodes and it would have been great.
For real though, of One Piece got a redo for the anime like Hunter x Hunter did, my prayers would be answered. Oda needs to get closer to finishing. So I just have to wait 15-20 years.
Dude omg I literally am fucking with everything your saying. Thank God you get it. Like every word is how I’ve been feeling for a while. I don’t even know how I found your channel but I’m happy. This is great 👍🏾
5 років тому+10
But then again Toei has had the opportunity for a long time now to turn cover stories into filler, but didn't take it.
This is what I want from all the anime's animation, the wano art style looks like the classic animation from the 20th century animes, however it looks clearer and amazing, it also doesnt have outlines that is 100 percent proportional, that way the animation just looks stiff and less flexible to look at. It's just awesome
One thing that will hit harder with Wano anime is seeing the Ebisu town residents expressing their emotions with laughter. Thats gonna be very emotional
if you could notice that the wano animators are already doing their works in the current episodes so the transition goes smoothly, they are not using the new palet of colors though but the new drawing´s style is there
I think it is, they aren't as bright and don't pop as much as WCI which is a good thing imo. The colours have been too saturated and the atmosphere feels off as a result.
@@SoumilSahu I think they are using the same colours but by applying a filter in post processing over it, it removes the ugly pastel feeling from the colours.
I wouldn't mind if they just did Water 7-Skypiea-Alabasta type pacing. Two and a half chapters the most, average of a chapter and a half, and sometimes one chapter. 39 episodes based on 60-65 chapters is way better than 90 episodes based on 75 chapters.
Toei dropped the ball hard on whole cake! 35 or 6 islands,85 kids plus husbands. They could done so much with that alone and given some anime,only character dovelopment to some lesser known members. The studio could do so much with one piece but they just fail to capitlize on it
But they did exactly that? And it wasn't just a few times either? I mean, half the reason i enjoyed wci in the anime as much i did, was because of the quote on quote "filler" that they used to expand on the manga.
@@steelram4098 not really if anything we still know mext to nothing o most. Just what tjey liok like or at most a few scens sprinkled here and there. But to what degree does that count for?
Well i doubt they could've shown everything about every single Big mom pirate and island (altought i'd have loved that) and they still expanded on a lot of them anyway, but too much of it would've felt out of place, not to mention the pacing. Plus the Big mom Pirates are not done in the manga, so i'd argue that we couldn't see everything in the anime because It's still left for later.
@@steelram4098 I would love to agree with most of them big mom pirates not done yet. But during wci arc we could gotten some kind of fill,on more lesser known ministers or even snack! We know next to nothing about him one of those moments, where filler episodes could come in real handy right about now
@@navieses Pre-time skip animation isn't overtly different from post. The only major difference in key scenes would come through in colours and post processing.
@@jazzmazz9214 I mean, I was able emphatize with the story situation in pre time skip. Also, the emotions, comedy and many other minute character interactions were executed way better. I partly agree with your point, "animation"/art might not be that different but direction and pacing definitely is.
@@navieses Pacing is different, but I think with Tatsuya Nagamine on board as Series we can at least expect some tighter direction(Nagamine is someone who broke his wrist due to overworking on the last show he was series director on, so his an extremely committed guy).
After the first few episodes anyone would assume you were right about the change in anime but after the last few episodes I've watched we've gotten back to terrible pacing and i think it's even a little but worse because you have things happening like batman blocking a punch from Luffy as if he were Big Mom and that sumo guy getting crazy special effects to look like hes Whitebeard with the quake fruit
this is exactly whats happening now 1. Better animation- too obvious 2. Pacing - anime was able to expand the content and shown us the events that led to zoro being accused of the slasher/criminal and how he was able to get out of that mess. in manga it just went straight there and ended in a blink of an eye and left us imagining those things that happened and will happen
I remember when at dressrosa right before zoro slashes pika, pika was walking towards the other plateau which was like 5-10 steps away for him. He took a whole episode and DIDNT EVEN MOVE FORWARD AT ALL
Not to mention 2020 is the Olympic year in Japan and Luffy is one of their mascotts. Need to pretty it up for Olympics, 20 year anniversary, and the culturally significant story arc. Some theories even suggest the Grand Finale will follow this arc.
In the anime, the better episodes are the ones that aren't taking anything from the manga but use gaps in the manga or hyping an upcoming movie to tell their own story. The Marine Rookies story or the Caesar Retrieval story were both better than the anime usually is. Generally, I think when the anime gets to tell their own story, they can see that it is properly paced for the format. But currently with the anime, out of every episode at least half of the run time of any given episode is taken up by the theme song, previously on segment and then reshowing parts from previous episodes (often the last episode). That only leaves about 10-13 minutes of actual episode in any given episode.
I've been keeping up with the anime for a little while (originally caught up during Dressrosa, gave up when an episode of Zou Arc played the exact same scene twice to fill up time, and then got back into it around the middle of WCI) and I actually like how they've done filler recently. The pace is still kind of bad (and I don't mean the recaps) but instead of doing some of the terrible things they were doing around Dressrosa's time, they have neat little extra scenes that usually fit well. For example, during Reverie they've done two or three cutaways to the Straw Hats during their in-between-arc travels which is something many manga readers wish would happen more often (and there's a nice conversation among the crew about Luffy's family), and they also often add little moments like Kaido's subordinates bringing him the phone that Big Mom is about to talk to him on, without making it into a 5-minute-long event. The Bad End Musical episode had a lot of added scenes that filled in the "in-betweens" of the panels, and though it still had flaws it was the best episode in a long time (I have NO idea why people like the Katakuri finale, the art is hideous and belongs in an entirely different anime). With all that said, though, it does really annoy me (and a bunch of other fans) that Oda is purposely skipping over things in the manga just so the anime can show what he skipped. Doing something negative to the source material just so that the adaptation can be improved is a REALLY unreasonable "trade" in my opinion, but if anyone thinks otherwise, I'm glad they're happy with it then!
I don't think that 'rushed manga' is about giving anime more room to breathe. I am convinced that it is Oda learning from his past mistakes, especially during Dressrosa - a 100 chapter arc, where he expanded on everything and gave quite a lot of extended flashback scenes. On reread it's a great product, but for weekly readers it must have been tiring at certain points. As Morj has noted in one of his videos, Oda has too many ideas and things we wants to show us. No matter how exciting Wano can be, Oda is trying to cram as much as possible to chapters in order to save time. I am sure Wano is going to be extremely long... If it comes out as 200 chapter arc, imagine that with Dressrosa style writing it could easily be a 300 chapter arc.... It is a great opportunity for anime. I would happily see a Zoro dedicated episode with some goofy, anime only encounters, when he is looking for his sword. You know, instead of being simulcasted plot line with Sanji vs Page One and Luffy in prison. Snakeman vs Katakuri and Bad End musical are episodes which I will hold close to my heart - One Piece getting adaptation it deserves... WCI was a great improvement over previous arcs but still, it had some bad episodes.
When they add filler do they consult the author? You mentioned O-soba Mask VS Page One, there could be some abilities that are being hidden now to be revealed at a later stage. So if Toei make unilateral decision on what the moves list are, confusion will be there inevitable when the abilities drawn might not be the same ones animated filler style.
Nearly 2 years later and I will say Wano arc in the anime has been one of the best arc in the series, to the point where it actually surpasses the manga a lot of the times. At time, it feels like Oda just storyboarded the manga panels to help the anime team bridge all of the little gaps in the scenes. Vast majority of the in canon filler scenes does not feel like padding. Episode 904/905 were the only few episodes where that dressrosa level quality creep through.
agree and disagree. The anime greatly improved on scenes like Oden vs Kaido, but is greatly stretching the sail to onigashima. I'm not talking about that cool fighting scene like two episodes ago, I mean stuff like adding extra dialogue for no real purpose with kanjuro's reveal, adding a whole half episode of flashbacks, etc.
You do realise that the opening now usually take at least 3-5 minutes and the narrative guy will probably spend 1-2 minutes reviewing from the last episode so we already have like 15-14 minutes per episodes.
Weekly is not an excuse. Say what you want about Naruto, it's best episodes still looked level above best One Piece episodes. Luffy Snakeman is the only episode (animation wise) that can somehow compare to best ones in Naruto: - Rock Lee vs Gaara, - Naruto vs Sasuke, - Naruto vs Pain, - Madara vs Aliance, - Naruto vs Sasuke, - Naruto / Sasuke vs Momoshiki Where Naruto vs Pain, Madara vs Aliance, Naruto / Sasuke vs Momoshiki are pure sakuga fests. Snakeman episode looks incredible, but it is not THAT level, as 3 episodes above. Also, Gear 4 Luffy vs Rayleigh and Pudding x Sanji filler hold it back to being a standalone sakuga fest (though this problem comes more from pacing issues). Ironically, both Togashi adaptations are best examples of what long running shounens can achieve. Yuyu Hakusho had consistent, good animation and was very battle heavy. Hunter X Hunter (2011) is less action based but when it mattered, it looked really good.
@@bartiz12In those cases its usually the absolutely phenomenal staff drawn to those episodes that make them so amazing. Also, those episodes from Naruto are just fantastic episodes in the industry, period. Things not quite holding up to that isn't really a sleight against them. And its not like One Piece hasn't had its share of really well animated and interesting episodes over the years.
So could this really be the one to finally reveal Zoro origin on how he was on the east blue and how his mother and father came to be the famous samurai
Dressrosa episode 661. And what you said about just now Wano have several gaps that can be filled in the animation it didn’t start in Wano this is FROM EVER episodes requires dedication from a talented and focused team, going to the point of sacrificing their own vacation.
i feel like this had to be said, but we cant forget america's end of things as the funimation dub has been stuck in fishman island for 2 fucking years, if this is really gonna be a 20th anniversary to be remembered everyone has to pull their weight.
Mr Morj! Thank you for posting this video! I have indeed lost some interest in the anime, but thanks to this I will not drop it. I really do hope it becomes better. Also nice hair
What,s funny is that 10 Years ago I thought the same during the Marine Fort Arc: All those double pages... Toei might get problems doing one episode per chapter.. luckily Oda left out most of the fighting so Toei could extend those episodes. But no... lingering shots on still images xD Maybe after all is done they'll reanimate the whole series. But that's just a dream.
First of all, for anyone that wants to learn even more about Wano in the anime, you should watch yonko productions' new video in which he goes even more in depth about the production changes for Wano Another reason why Wano will be more consistent in the anime compared to other arcs is the act structure...unlike previous arcs that would drag on for hundreds of chapters with no break, Wano is divided in multiple acts, giving Toei the opportunity to add filler or recaps between acts (recaps are even better than fillers cause they wont have to spend resources for creating new animation, characters and scenarios), thus helping the scheduling of production and keeping a balanced distance from the source material
I would love for the anime to come back to life. It has had some great arcs, music, animation, etc in the past. It has suffered quite a bit in the post time-skip session. Honestly I don't have high hopes. A trailer can be made to look beautiful. The show will have to prove itself. And I hope it does. Because this is an anime that I've loved overall.
But there are reason some parts are being off screened for a reason; same reason why the anime never adapted the offscreen akainu vs aokiji so i doubt the anime will fill in all the missing gaps because some of those gaps are intentional because of plot points and future references. For akainu and aokiji we are still hyped they are still relatively unknown about their powers (we know the general gist of it); we saw them at marineford but we also saw what happend to punk hazard a massive landscape of lava and ice such event like that never even occurred on marineford. This makes people still be hyped up and speculate about their powers and scaling. If the anime DID show and adapted it and they used marineford as reference which could have been dramatic because it's not accurate to their full potential at all. It's also pretty much up to Oda what TOEI can't and can show, he has said multiple times during SBS interview he had to leave out little details or panels because a chapter can only be so long, stuff like that is great because the anime can show it to the watcher instead. So i do hope oda has kept a lot of extra notes for TOEI for them to adapt to patch the pacing issue.
By the trailer, it looks like they're adding small scenes to give context to scenarios(I think I spied the magistrate killing someone as set up for the plot point that Zoro is being accused, where as in the manga we simply moved straight to the trial with no context).
@@jazzmazz9214 But the anime already does that to a certain extend they already add those little details / context what was missing/rushed in the manga, but lets see what wano brings us. The thing is tho the anime team could extend certain scene by making it very nice with all kind of sick animations so they can extend the time aswell but the viewers wont get upset; example same scene for both: * 1 still frame shown for 30seconds or * different angles with animation for 30 seconds seems like TOEI goes for the 2nd as when the ship sinks they show all the items/debree from the ship whirling inside the sea while before they probably would have use 1 still frama with different angles to save time and use that time on scene/battles that do need animation more.
Dont hold your hopes up. I mean it's good if Toei does it right obviously but it's better to not hope too much and be pleasantly surprised by the good animation than to hope too much and get absolutely disappointing.
I like the idea of giving the animators time via the reverie arc. This pacing should allow them to expand, but it is a dangerous game and can be miscalculated too much. I would hate to see them extend things too much and drag on in a different direction.
Hey, hey guys, this is just a thought from my head. But if One Piece's animation director is a new guy, would One Piece finally, for many years, have an ending song again? If thats gonna happen. I'll literally cry
5 month after wano anime started unfortunately nothing beyond animation changed pacing still sucks but its gonna be fun to watch good animated fights and rewatch tge whole saga after it ends. I think watching wano in one go is gonna be way more intresting than waiting week foe new eps and slow pacing is not gonna be that annoying
To me personally i think pre-timeskip was great and very watchable. Post-timeskip the only one arcs i felt which have done well was Punk Hazard arc and WCI arc. Some parts of Zou too. Very excited for Wano arc as a manga reader and anime watcher.
One of the very first Things the anime can expand on, when the Strawhats arrived at Wano, when Luffy got seperated from the other, we saw from Sanji's Group absolutely completely N-O-T-H-I-N-G up until they found eachother again. It was so irritating to me how we only followed Luffy all the time and apparently, showing us how Sanji's Group was doing, was to irrelevant.
I don’t know enough about how animation works to give advice, but wouldn’t taking more time on each episode solve all their problems. If they don’t rush each episode out for a weekly deadline, not only would the quality be better, but it would help stop the anime from catching up to the manga, which would directly help out the pacing issue. Again I’m not educated about the how the animation team works, but it just seems like if you’re going to have them working on the show until it’s conclusion then why not take your time with it. The reasons the films are good is because they put more time and effort into them. Apply that to the anime and it should solve literally all their problems. I just don’t see how money could possibly be an issue for a series as big as One Piece.
You are correct. Just look at seasonal anime, like Attack on Titan. That always looks gorgeous. I guess there's just a pressure to pump out episodes of One Piece weekly. It all ties back to money in the end though.
First time hear dude. Your vidwo was good. And from the comments, you quality of content is good. One little thing I want to add in, I may be the odd one out. But, I'm listening with earphones and that is loud. I can hear all the gulping and stuff. More of a minor critism, than mean teying to be harsh, but might turn down the mic q couplw notches. But again, beyond that good video and wxcellent quality. And for anyone that may 2onder why not just take off the earphones or turn it down. I'm in a location I both wanna drown out but am also trying to be polite and not have my sound up.
But the problem is that for flashback, toei doesn't need any kind of work done just cut and paste, whereas for extending the plot requires extra efforts from makers and op anime uses line to line dialogues from manga
The reverie (manga): one of the best
The reverie (anime): rubbish compilation of flashbacks
Yeah, gotta wait for One Pace.
agreed, 4 minutes of actual story advancing and then the same flashbacks everyones seen a hundred times already
We have to sacrifice the reverie for wano, RIP reverie
i hope all those nonsense fillers are a sacrifice for the wano arc honestly. otherwise.. one piece gets ruined by its anime
Bro you have to understand their problem too that they have to keep a good gap between manga and anime and right now anime is ridiculously close to manga. Otherwise something will happen to op what happened to GOT.
I feel like it would be cool if the anime took a long break after the end of each act so they could keep a better pacing.
Sadly this not gonna happen.
@@TheMr.PrinceKnightYeah probably
Prepare yourself for a return of Boss Luffy Historical Special!
(Just kidding but that'd be hilarious if they actually brought that back for Wano intermissions.)
I wouldn't mind more filler arcs if the cannon arcs are well done.
One pace will fix it
ohh shit your vid quality really improved to your contents level, i think this will grow your channel alot!
Let's all pray.
One pice anime quality picking up the same time mr morj quality picking up, coincidence? I think not!!!
I wonder if toei will put as much effort into wano as you did with the sudden increase in lighting, audio and resolution quality.
Good job man.
Dorner Dorner they do it’s not the animator fault that the show is weekly they don’t have time to catch up and make good content in terms of pacing wise unlike Aot or mha which has years
Damn, really happy to be an early subscriber to the channel. He has good content and the quality really improved a lot. Excited to see you grow
Mr Morj: Wano Arc
UA-cam Captions: watermark, guano ark
I got WHA no bark
When Oda draws longer scenes some people complain that it takes too long. When Oda cuts some (to the overall plot ultimately unnessecary) scenes some people complain that its rushed. lol Whatever Oda does, he just can't win. :)
Yep.
Lose-lose situation
More like people are never satisfied with the end results that Oda made
When Oda teleports his characters across a country, people get confused and don't like being confused.
@@Falkuzrules also Oda making BM's group arrival delayed
Fans: MUGHHHH THIS IS TAKING FOREVER MUGHHHH
People will just complain about everything and anything Oda does no matter what
Mr Morj - Wano will be the Best Anime Ark.
Toie - I'm gonna end this Guy's Career.
This comment aged horribly lol
Only two weeks into Wano. It might be the Best Anime Ark ever or it could go downhill and be worst. We won't really know for at least 1 to 2 years. It is looking pretty epic so far.
@@michaeldmingo1525 well, animation is still gorgeous, but pacing has gone back down
edit: actually, they may have just super SUPER slowed down the pace to reach around 50 chapter spacing, and now that we've reached it, they will adapt one chapter per episode instead of like 1/2 chapter per episode
Oda's not making 48 Chapters a year anymore, having a week of every 3 chapters. Oda's down to 36 Chapters a year approximately. Also Batman blocked Luffy's punch like wtf?
I'm here a year after this comment to tell you that you were right. Pacing is atrocious.
How dare you just pop into my recommendations and just start spitting out great content.
Hell Yeah. A Mr Morj video. Thank You. Thank you God. It's like my birthday and Christmas. Thank you so much very much.
yeah, the the reason that one piece's pacing is an issue is that they arent allowed to not put out new episodes unless all people who have a stake in One Piece agree. Toei isn't the main issue. the tv network that airs one piece isn't willing to find something to replace one piece's timeslot, so they have no choice but to adapt year round. Hopefully, they'll be able to handle pace better for Wano.
Finally, someone who understands. The Toei hate pisses me off.
It would be amazing if OP went seasonal though. It could become the best anime in history.
Shame, lot of people stopped watching anime during punk hazard and dressrosa, it was unbearable. Now I just watch the highlights on youtube. They should really try something new, adapt, and save the anime. Because the gap between manga and anime is always going to be this close.
You are the best youtuber of one piece I know
Facts.
insert: ohara and grandline
@@Sku11Ski11 and GrandLineReview.
@@Sku11Ski11 grandline is garbage compared to morj
@@prof1185 grandline is the best
Wano should portray one piece in the manor it deserves, and give the fans what we've longed for
Agreed.
No shit
Wow this new quality is amazing, love the background
Let the sacrifice of the Reverie Arc please the anime gods and bless the Wano Arc with consistently good animation and good pacing
Great video! I was thinking the same thing, like I dropped the anime at the end of Dressrosa, but after seeing the Wano trailer I might start watching again!
Well the quality began to pick up a little bit just when we arrived to Zou and becomes even better in Whole Cake, hope Wano will surpass his predecessor arc. I'm not counting the reverie disaster inbetweeen of course.
Somehow , I feel the anime streching manga panels is in fact beneficial for people like me who enjoy details and movement dynamics.
For example watching Marineford is better than reading it , just like you wouldn't read a Fast and Furious book but watch the movie , there are a lot of visual, auditory dynamics which get left to the readers imagination for exclusive Manga readers.
I’m honestly ready to donate money to make sure the animation stays high quality
I was about to have a meal and you just uploaded right in time :)
One piece is finally getting the respect it deserves FINALLY !!!!! Since the timeskip it has just been down hill for the anime.
wci was good
I'M HYPE !!!!!
Also your new set up is on point man. Your video quality is awesome .
Having seen your videos, I knew that you were a great reader for lots of reasons-Nice library-. Your reviews and interpretations from One Piece are amazing and I'm so happy for your growing. Greetings from Peru and please keep doing this!
Sup ayyy Wano hype
Hell Yeah.
i remember how hyped ppl were before Drasrossa started, how Toei made PH shit because they were saving budget for Dresrossa, how because the anime was so slow before so in DR they could pace DR well
... and then ...
I have 0 hope at all until i see actual good quality consistently every ep, until then fuck Toei
I don't remember people being hyped for Dressrosa honestly. And there wasn't any solid reason to think that.
@@davidmedina3031 than you remember wrong, it helped that the anime started before the bitching about pacing began in the manga
Did Dressrosa have an anime trailer to it?
@@jazzmazz9214 No
@@davidmedina3031 Think that sort of goes to show a difference in promotion...
That's why I'm not even complaining about the extended flashbacks right now in the anime.
I like the One Pace edit of the series but I do think a lot of these types of edits should still include some added material that fleshes out a scene or anything that genuinely adds to the series in a positive way. There’s some anime only stuff in Naruto that actually improved some scenes and moments from the manga but were removed in the Kai cut of it. I understand why since the goal was to make it as close as possible to the manga but sometimes when translating something to a different medium there’s some positive changes/additions.
thriller bark-impel down was honestly peak animation for me
Totally agree
The whole cake island is great in manga imo.However I can't stand watching the anime. It's ridiculous to take so much amount of time to land a punch, and add a lot of redundant stuff
@@cp2021 The anime in WCI was good after the Sanji fight pretty much. Production wise, it only really kicked off 100% at the tail end of the tea party after Big Mum's flashback, and kicked off even more for the Katakuri fight(which was the obvious focus for the most part).
Your setup as a op tuber is flawless.
Look at that quality! Love your channel man!
Same here. Same here.
The trailer looked great and it definitely made me more optimistic. Just feels like there's always going to be serious production problems with a long running series though. You make a good point about the anime potentially fleshing out more scenes. Good video Morj. Here's hoping you're right!
Eso de enseñar escenas que en el manga quedaban fuera de cámara ya se hizo con acierto en Whole Cake y te pongo dos ejemplos:
1- Cuando Luffy pelea contra el ejercito de la ira tras su "vs" con Sanji en el manga nos "dicen" que Nami ha usado a las nubes de Big Mom para freir con un poderoso rayo a gran parte de dicho ejercito, pero no lo vimos hasta que el anime si enseño dicha escena.
2- Hay un panel de Oda en la fiesta del Té donde se ve a todos los miembros del germa, a Sanji, Brook y alguno más pelear al mismo tiempo (en un solo pánel de gran tamaño), pues Toei convirtió ese panel en 15 minutos de esas peleas haciendo que el capitulo se sintiera con bastante acción pese a adaptar muy pocas páginas.
Your vid quality is up. Great job.
I remember when I read zou and thought that if they rlly wanted to they could turn those 23 chapters into 6 or 7 episodes if they rlly condensed it, and like 9 or 10 maximum. They made it 29 episodes
At it's best pre timeskip they adapted 2 chapters into 1 episode, so if it was paced super generously it would have been 11.5 episodes, they could have gone for 15 episodes and it would have been great.
For real though, of One Piece got a redo for the anime like Hunter x Hunter did, my prayers would be answered. Oda needs to get closer to finishing. So I just have to wait 15-20 years.
Yeah, you have too much faith in toei and friends. I have a feeling that the pacing will remain the same but the animation quality will become better.
Understandable.
Understandable.
You were spot on. The anime is filling up the blanks of the manga.
Watching this a year later and now i can safely say your predictions were right the slow pacing has made it better than before
Dude omg I literally am fucking with everything your saying. Thank God you get it. Like every word is how I’ve been feeling for a while. I don’t even know how I found your channel but I’m happy. This is great 👍🏾
But then again Toei has had the opportunity for a long time now to turn cover stories into filler, but didn't take it.
This is what I want from all the anime's animation, the wano art style looks like the classic animation from the 20th century animes, however it looks clearer and amazing, it also doesnt have outlines that is 100 percent proportional, that way the animation just looks stiff and less flexible to look at. It's just awesome
Yeah, the animation is great. The pacing still sucks ass, tho.
One thing that will hit harder with Wano anime is seeing the Ebisu town residents expressing their emotions with laughter. Thats gonna be very emotional
if you could notice that the wano animators are already doing their works in the current episodes so the transition goes smoothly, they are not using the new palet of colors though but the new drawing´s style is there
I think it is, they aren't as bright and don't pop as much as WCI which is a good thing imo. The colours have been too saturated and the atmosphere feels off as a result.
@@SoumilSahu I think they are using the same colours but by applying a filter in post processing over it, it removes the ugly pastel feeling from the colours.
Well then.
Guess that since i genuinely liked the anime from the beginning this is just gonna be my favorite arc yet 😃😃
Same here.
how does this video hold up now? I’m almost caught up, but I hear that after the first few episodes it falls apart again
I wouldn't mind if they just did Water 7-Skypiea-Alabasta type pacing. Two and a half chapters the most, average of a chapter and a half, and sometimes one chapter. 39 episodes based on 60-65 chapters is way better than 90 episodes based on 75 chapters.
There was the advantage that Oda rarely took breaks during those arcs you mentioned.
@@eduardomassa7507 yeah how could I forget?
I am crying while watching this
Toei dropped the ball hard on whole cake! 35 or 6 islands,85 kids plus husbands. They could done so much with that alone and given some anime,only character dovelopment to some lesser known members. The studio could do so much with one piece but they just fail to capitlize on it
But they did exactly that? And it wasn't just a few times either?
I mean, half the reason i enjoyed wci in the anime as much i did, was because of the quote on quote "filler" that they used to expand on the manga.
@@steelram4098 not really if anything we still know mext to nothing o most. Just what tjey liok like or at most a few scens sprinkled here and there. But to what degree does that count for?
Well i doubt they could've shown everything about every single Big mom pirate and island (altought i'd have loved that) and they still expanded on a lot of them anyway, but too much of it would've felt out of place, not to mention the pacing.
Plus the Big mom Pirates are not done in the manga, so i'd argue that we couldn't see everything in the anime because It's still left for later.
@@steelram4098 I would love to agree with most of them big mom pirates not done yet. But during wci arc we could gotten some kind of fill,on more lesser known ministers or even snack! We know next to nothing about him one of those moments, where filler episodes could come in real handy right about now
The early one piece animation just feels more creative and varied to me. Might just be the nostalgia talking tho :’)
That's not nostalgia. Pre timeskip animation and story flow was way better than what we are getting now.
@@navieses Pre-time skip animation isn't overtly different from post. The only major difference in key scenes would come through in colours and post processing.
@@jazzmazz9214 I mean, I was able emphatize with the story situation in pre time skip. Also, the emotions, comedy and many other minute character interactions were executed way better. I partly agree with your point, "animation"/art might not be that different but direction and pacing definitely is.
@@navieses Pacing is different, but I think with Tatsuya Nagamine on board as Series we can at least expect some tighter direction(Nagamine is someone who broke his wrist due to overworking on the last show he was series director on, so his an extremely committed guy).
@@jazzmazz9214 Yea, let's hope
After the first few episodes anyone would assume you were right about the change in anime but after the last few episodes I've watched we've gotten back to terrible pacing and i think it's even a little but worse because you have things happening like batman blocking a punch from Luffy as if he were Big Mom and that sumo guy getting crazy special effects to look like hes Whitebeard with the quake fruit
I admire your optimism
one year later: yea its pretty fuckin good in the anime rn
Great analysis! Wano is beautifull, I hope the animation is going to keep up with Wano's trailer quality.
this is exactly whats happening now
1. Better animation- too obvious
2. Pacing - anime was able to expand the content and shown us the events that led to zoro being accused of the slasher/criminal and how he was able to get out of that mess. in manga it just went straight there and ended in a blink of an eye and left us imagining those things that happened and will happen
I can imagine all those shots with Kamurosaki and zoro ❤️
Re: pacing issues, do you have any thoughts on/experience with One Pace?
I dropped the anime on the dressrosa arc but actually enjoyed it immensely in One Pace
I recommend it, restored my faith in Marineford (ruined due to atrociously paced anime). Switched to it from anime after Enies Lobby.
I remember when at dressrosa right before zoro slashes pika, pika was walking towards the other plateau which was like 5-10 steps away for him. He took a whole episode and DIDNT EVEN MOVE FORWARD AT ALL
Didn't Oda collaborate with Toei since WCI? People often say that Oda intentionally leaves gaps for Toei to fill to quicken the pace of the Manga.
Dude, is that confirmed? I really hope that's true.
@@mizakzee
I'm pretty sure it is.
Not to mention 2020 is the Olympic year in Japan and Luffy is one of their mascotts. Need to pretty it up for Olympics, 20 year anniversary, and the culturally significant story arc. Some theories even suggest the Grand Finale will follow this arc.
In the anime, the better episodes are the ones that aren't taking anything from the manga but use gaps in the manga or hyping an upcoming movie to tell their own story. The Marine Rookies story or the Caesar Retrieval story were both better than the anime usually is.
Generally, I think when the anime gets to tell their own story, they can see that it is properly paced for the format.
But currently with the anime, out of every episode at least half of the run time of any given episode is taken up by the theme song, previously on segment and then reshowing parts from previous episodes (often the last episode). That only leaves about 10-13 minutes of actual episode in any given episode.
Well said.
I've been keeping up with the anime for a little while (originally caught up during Dressrosa, gave up when an episode of Zou Arc played the exact same scene twice to fill up time, and then got back into it around the middle of WCI) and I actually like how they've done filler recently. The pace is still kind of bad (and I don't mean the recaps) but instead of doing some of the terrible things they were doing around Dressrosa's time, they have neat little extra scenes that usually fit well.
For example, during Reverie they've done two or three cutaways to the Straw Hats during their in-between-arc travels which is something many manga readers wish would happen more often (and there's a nice conversation among the crew about Luffy's family), and they also often add little moments like Kaido's subordinates bringing him the phone that Big Mom is about to talk to him on, without making it into a 5-minute-long event. The Bad End Musical episode had a lot of added scenes that filled in the "in-betweens" of the panels, and though it still had flaws it was the best episode in a long time (I have NO idea why people like the Katakuri finale, the art is hideous and belongs in an entirely different anime).
With all that said, though, it does really annoy me (and a bunch of other fans) that Oda is purposely skipping over things in the manga just so the anime can show what he skipped. Doing something negative to the source material just so that the adaptation can be improved is a REALLY unreasonable "trade" in my opinion, but if anyone thinks otherwise, I'm glad they're happy with it then!
I don't think that 'rushed manga' is about giving anime more room to breathe. I am convinced that it is Oda learning from his past mistakes, especially during Dressrosa - a 100 chapter arc, where he expanded on everything and gave quite a lot of extended flashback scenes. On reread it's a great product, but for weekly readers it must have been tiring at certain points.
As Morj has noted in one of his videos, Oda has too many ideas and things we wants to show us. No matter how exciting Wano can be, Oda is trying to cram as much as possible to chapters in order to save time. I am sure Wano is going to be extremely long... If it comes out as 200 chapter arc, imagine that with Dressrosa style writing it could easily be a 300 chapter arc....
It is a great opportunity for anime. I would happily see a Zoro dedicated episode with some goofy, anime only encounters, when he is looking for his sword. You know, instead of being simulcasted plot line with Sanji vs Page One and Luffy in prison.
Snakeman vs Katakuri and Bad End musical are episodes which I will hold close to my heart - One Piece getting adaptation it deserves... WCI was a great improvement over previous arcs but still, it had some bad episodes.
When they add filler do they consult the author? You mentioned O-soba Mask VS Page One, there could be some abilities that are being hidden now to be revealed at a later stage. So if Toei make unilateral decision on what the moves list are, confusion will be there inevitable when the abilities drawn might not be the same ones animated filler style.
They add filler and do consult the author on things...
What if this animation is only for this trailer and new opening, how much do you think you will be pissed
I am not ready to get hyped or be hopeful about the anime until i actually see episodes of it.
Fair enough.
Nearly 2 years later and I will say Wano arc in the anime has been one of the best arc in the series, to the point where it actually surpasses the manga a lot of the times. At time, it feels like Oda just storyboarded the manga panels to help the anime team bridge all of the little gaps in the scenes. Vast majority of the in canon filler scenes does not feel like padding. Episode 904/905 were the only few episodes where that dressrosa level quality creep through.
agree and disagree. The anime greatly improved on scenes like Oden vs Kaido, but is greatly stretching the sail to onigashima. I'm not talking about that cool fighting scene like two episodes ago, I mean stuff like adding extra dialogue for no real purpose with kanjuro's reveal, adding a whole half episode of flashbacks, etc.
You do realise that the opening now usually take at least 3-5 minutes and the narrative guy will probably spend 1-2 minutes reviewing from the last episode so we already have like 15-14 minutes per episodes.
Oda being a bro leaving gaps for Toei to fill in
Yes this arc is going to be amazing! Might be my favorite arc now
Finally those kids who always complain about the animation quality can shut their holes , THIS IS A WEEKLY ANIME WHY DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND !??
Bacause of all the weekly animes, One Piece is animated the worst.
@@benecarignacio4498 Not really...
Weekly is not an excuse. Say what you want about Naruto, it's best episodes still looked level above best One Piece episodes. Luffy Snakeman is the only episode (animation wise) that can somehow compare to best ones in Naruto:
- Rock Lee vs Gaara,
- Naruto vs Sasuke,
- Naruto vs Pain,
- Madara vs Aliance,
- Naruto vs Sasuke,
- Naruto / Sasuke vs Momoshiki
Where Naruto vs Pain, Madara vs Aliance, Naruto / Sasuke vs Momoshiki are pure sakuga fests. Snakeman episode looks incredible, but it is not THAT level, as 3 episodes above. Also, Gear 4 Luffy vs Rayleigh and Pudding x Sanji filler hold it back to being a standalone sakuga fest (though this problem comes more from pacing issues).
Ironically, both Togashi adaptations are best examples of what long running shounens can achieve. Yuyu Hakusho had consistent, good animation and was very battle heavy. Hunter X Hunter (2011) is less action based but when it mattered, it looked really good.
@@bartiz12In those cases its usually the absolutely phenomenal staff drawn to those episodes that make them so amazing. Also, those episodes from Naruto are just fantastic episodes in the industry, period. Things not quite holding up to that isn't really a sleight against them.
And its not like One Piece hasn't had its share of really well animated and interesting episodes over the years.
Benecar Ignacio Black Clover by far
I have high hopes for the pacing as well because the manga got 40 chapters ahead and we have a lot of potential filler scenes
So could this really be the one to finally reveal Zoro origin on how he was on the east blue and how his mother and father came to be the famous samurai
I'm honestly scared of getting my expectations too high, especially regarding the pacing, but would love for the anime to do the story justice.
But, what will happen when the anime reaches the manga?
Dressrosa episode 661. And what you said about just now Wano have several gaps that can be filled in the animation it didn’t start in Wano this is FROM EVER episodes requires dedication from a talented and focused team, going to the point of sacrificing their own vacation.
i feel like this had to be said, but we cant forget america's end of things as the funimation dub has been stuck in fishman island for 2 fucking years, if this is really gonna be a 20th anniversary to be remembered everyone has to pull their weight.
Mr Morj! Thank you for posting this video! I have indeed lost some interest in the anime, but thanks to this I will not drop it. I really do hope it becomes better. Also nice hair
Agreed.
i needed this video
What,s funny is that 10 Years ago I thought the same during the Marine Fort Arc:
All those double pages... Toei might get problems doing one episode per chapter.. luckily Oda left out most of the fighting so Toei could extend those episodes.
But no... lingering shots on still images xD
Maybe after all is done they'll reanimate the whole series. But that's just a dream.
Just to let you know that the filler part didn't go exactly as you thought it would go.
Looks like Oda did that on purpose because Toei added extras and it fit very well. It’s like if Oda collaborated with Toei.
First of all, for anyone that wants to learn even more about Wano in the anime, you should watch yonko productions' new video in which he goes even more in depth about the production changes for Wano
Another reason why Wano will be more consistent in the anime compared to other arcs is the act structure...unlike previous arcs that would drag on for hundreds of chapters with no break, Wano is divided in multiple acts, giving Toei the opportunity to add filler or recaps between acts (recaps are even better than fillers cause they wont have to spend resources for creating new animation, characters and scenarios), thus helping the scheduling of production and keeping a balanced distance from the source material
Well said.
Lovein the anime now, it's got a lot better and I feel like the pacing is picking up now.
lol wut? The pacing has been shit
Kinda came true in a weird way lol
I would love for the anime to come back to life. It has had some great arcs, music, animation, etc in the past. It has suffered quite a bit in the post time-skip session.
Honestly I don't have high hopes. A trailer can be made to look beautiful. The show will have to prove itself. And I hope it does. Because this is an anime that I've loved overall.
The trailer I think sports the general aesthetic. Similar thing happened to DBS.
But there are reason some parts are being off screened for a reason; same reason why the anime never adapted the offscreen akainu vs aokiji so i doubt the anime will fill in all the missing gaps because some of those gaps are intentional because of plot points and future references.
For akainu and aokiji we are still hyped they are still relatively unknown about their powers (we know the general gist of it); we saw them at marineford but we also saw what happend to punk hazard a massive landscape of lava and ice such event like that never even occurred on marineford. This makes people still be hyped up and speculate about their powers and scaling. If the anime DID show and adapted it and they used marineford as reference which could have been dramatic because it's not accurate to their full potential at all.
It's also pretty much up to Oda what TOEI can't and can show, he has said multiple times during SBS interview he had to leave out little details or panels because a chapter can only be so long, stuff like that is great because the anime can show it to the watcher instead. So i do hope oda has kept a lot of extra notes for TOEI for them to adapt to patch the pacing issue.
By the trailer, it looks like they're adding small scenes to give context to scenarios(I think I spied the magistrate killing someone as set up for the plot point that Zoro is being accused, where as in the manga we simply moved straight to the trial with no context).
@@jazzmazz9214 But the anime already does that to a certain extend they already add those little details / context what was missing/rushed in the manga, but lets see what wano brings us.
The thing is tho the anime team could extend certain scene by making it very nice with all kind of sick animations so they can extend the time aswell but the viewers wont get upset; example same scene for both:
* 1 still frame shown for 30seconds or
* different angles with animation for 30 seconds
seems like TOEI goes for the 2nd as when the ship sinks they show all the items/debree from the ship whirling inside the sea while before they probably would have use 1 still frama with different angles to save time and use that time on scene/battles that do need animation more.
One piece anime finally getting the love it deserves
Dont hold your hopes up. I mean it's good if Toei does it right obviously but it's better to not hope too much and be pleasantly surprised by the good animation than to hope too much and get absolutely disappointing.
I like the idea of giving the animators time via the reverie arc. This pacing should allow them to expand, but it is a dangerous game and can be miscalculated too much. I would hate to see them extend things too much and drag on in a different direction.
Your analysis is very detailed and good.
I wish you do analysis to boku no hero acadamia and black clover
Where can I watch the full trailer?
Hey, hey guys, this is just a thought from my head. But if One Piece's animation director is a new guy, would One Piece finally, for many years, have an ending song again? If thats gonna happen. I'll literally cry
5 month after wano anime started unfortunately nothing beyond animation changed pacing still sucks but its gonna be fun to watch good animated fights and rewatch tge whole saga after it ends. I think watching wano in one go is gonna be way more intresting than waiting week foe new eps and slow pacing is not gonna be that annoying
To me personally i think pre-timeskip was great and very watchable. Post-timeskip the only one arcs i felt which have done well was Punk Hazard arc and WCI arc. Some parts of Zou too. Very excited for Wano arc as a manga reader and anime watcher.
One of the very first Things the anime can expand on, when the Strawhats arrived at Wano, when Luffy got seperated from the other, we saw from Sanji's Group absolutely completely
N-O-T-H-I-N-G up until they found eachother again.
It was so irritating to me how we only followed Luffy all the time and apparently, showing us how Sanji's Group was doing, was to irrelevant.
How about reaction to episodes Mr. Morj?
So each episode is gonna be a movie
Wrong, the pacing is still horrible and the high amount of still is disrespectful, the Urashima scene didn't need to last 2 episodes.
I don’t know enough about how animation works to give advice, but wouldn’t taking more time on each episode solve all their problems. If they don’t rush each episode out for a weekly deadline, not only would the quality be better, but it would help stop the anime from catching up to the manga, which would directly help out the pacing issue. Again I’m not educated about the how the animation team works, but it just seems like if you’re going to have them working on the show until it’s conclusion then why not take your time with it. The reasons the films are good is because they put more time and effort into them. Apply that to the anime and it should solve literally all their problems. I just don’t see how money could possibly be an issue for a series as big as One Piece.
Well said.
You are correct. Just look at seasonal anime, like Attack on Titan. That always looks gorgeous. I guess there's just a pressure to pump out episodes of One Piece weekly. It all ties back to money in the end though.
First time hear dude.
Your vidwo was good.
And from the comments, you quality of content is good.
One little thing I want to add in, I may be the odd one out.
But, I'm listening with earphones and that is loud.
I can hear all the gulping and stuff.
More of a minor critism, than mean teying to be harsh, but might turn down the mic q couplw notches.
But again, beyond that good video and wxcellent quality.
And for anyone that may 2onder why not just take off the earphones or turn it down.
I'm in a location I both wanna drown out but am also trying to be polite and not have my sound up.
But the problem is that for flashback, toei doesn't need any kind of work done just cut and paste, whereas for extending the plot requires extra efforts from makers and op anime uses line to line dialogues from manga
I feel that energy as well
3 episode for just 1 chapter in the reverie and they did it 2 times in this arc 😭💣⚰️
1 time
Yeah my bad, poor chapter 905