It blows me away that the Worst Generation pirates were last minute additions. Maybe Oda had some concept of what the Generation would become, but to incorporate characters like Law, Bonney, and Drake flawlessly into the story in ways that makes sense is truly masterful. Even more so if they were actual last minute additions.
He had a lot of time to think about them, though: after Sabaody we got Impel Down, Marineford and Fishman Island before we were able to know something more. Still impressed, he's capable of connecting an insane amount of dots and even finding details throughout hundreds of chapters to link them somewhere in a convincing way. That's some next level worldbuilding skills.
@@mattia_carciola Yes, but even in the case of Law, Oda made his Jolly Roger clearly associated with Doflamingo’s Jolly Roger that we saw in Jaya. I’m pretty sure Doffy also mentioned the Smiles in Saboady as well. Obviously, Oda focused on Law’s story the most, to the point that I believe some version of Law was always planned but the editors said to make more rivals. Either way, my point is highlight Oda’s masterful storytelling. although I wish the name “Nika” appeared more in the story before Wano. There was always “sun” foreshadowing in the series. My favorite being Blackbeard saying “Sun vs Darkness. Who will win!” Except Ace had a fake “sun” where as Luffy is the real “sun.”
Theory: The intensely tragic (even by One Piece standards) story is intentional. Kuma will arrive at Egghead, regain his mind from the memory bubble, push all the suffering he had endured out of him and throw it at Saturn killing him.
What's crazy about this I don't think Saturn dodge it either thinking it's just a skill and will do nothing to his immortal body. Pushing all the pain and disease like Sapphire Scale Kuma stored up as a Cyborg on Saturn its going feel so satisfying to watch.
I never thought that I would cry over the boogeyman at the end of Thriller Bark. Initially, I thought Kuma was just another obstacle for Luffy to overcome.Oda is an amazing storyteller and I fully intend on bawling my eyes after we see how Kuma traded away his freedom to save Bonney
Honestly coming from a d&d dm, Oda has one of the best world building abilities. We knew barely anything about doffy from alabasta until dressrosa. Kuma is.. I knew the moment I saw him he'd be my favorite character. And kuma is another word for bear and people tend to associate me to one because of personality lol. Very defensive for those I care about and only soft to them. It's crazy how far we've gotten
I honestly think that Bonney"s piercing actually is a device made by Vegapunk to suppress the proliferation of the disease. Eventually, that's gonna come off, and we'll get to see Chopper using his medical skills to develop a cure right before Bonney's condition gets irreversible.
One thing I noticed is that Kuma said to Bonney she would be cured by the age of 10 (because she understood that). And in the end he didn't lie to her even though he thought he was. Bonney is 12 now, so before timeskip she was 10, and we know as a fact that by then she was already cured. So that's at least a good thing for Kuma's life, he was able to keep that promise
I think Kuma has become one of my favorite characters simply based off of how horrendously tragic his past was. His whole theme is sacrifice, self-sacrifice specifically 😭
Kuma is gonna repel the disease from bonny once he finds out Vega punk cant cure it (or he can cure it but the solution is to become a cyborg) and take it into himself. Kuma will then volunteer to become a cyborg because he is gonna die anyways and wants some part of him to look after bonny. Kuma explaining earlier that when he repels pain it has to go somewhere is a chekhov's gun that needs to play some part
Not impossible though, Kuma can reject alot of things with his powers, it's debatable so far if he can do the same for sapphire scales, because he can't just reject it right away, he would need someone to take it in, or else it would just go back to bonney
Or maybe if we stick with the clone Bonney theory, Vegapunk could, like Tekking said, create a clone of Bonney, but then Kuma could use his powers to repel Bonney's memories out of her diseased body and into the clone, making the current Bonney not just a clone, but basically an exact replica.
Who knew an arc that would be about science/technology in the manga/anime about a fictional world of pirates with magic fruit would be full of so much tragedy? Kuma has shot up the list of favorite (former) Warlords
Also something they overlook is than the Doctor said the desease was rare and thought to be extinct even. For the celestial dragons to have it and transmit it makes sense. Cuz their genes % dont mix with the lower folk and just between themselves making rare genes, rare deformations and rare diseases more often to appear
Kuma can pull memories out of people, he probably pushed out Bonnie's memories and put them in the clone to "save" her, that's also probably the plan to save kuma
My theory from chapter 1098: I doubted she was a clone until 1097 (Oda trolling us and her being off-screen wouldn't have been new), but knowing she *is* younger using her fruit, but looking 5ish after seawater + death toll before age of 10 + what the narrator said last thing in the chapter + getting used to no peace for Kuma ("the never ending tragedy continues to unfold")... Well... Damn
Honestly this feels the most likely route. Especially given the precedence of clones (Stussy) and Kuma’s memory abilities. Tbh I’d rather it this way because it makes the whole situation just a tad more twisted.
My thoughts exactly. This Bonney is a clone and the real Bonney has been dead for years. Furthermore, the clone theory makes Bonneys age even wierder. Since she'd be mentally twelve and biologically between seven and four. Because of all of that, her age-age powers might be required for her not to realise what happened.
If the train doesn’t have any bumps or delays this is a very likely possibility and would give Kuma precedence that he can pull out memories along with pain. Big question is how did Vegapunk contain it since the pain bubbles have to go somewhere so vegapunk and kuma must’ve been working together for a bit till the memory bubble preservation technology could be perfected. Wonder who was the Guinea pig for this experimentation, maybe vegapunk with his vast knowledge was used to take out small bits for experimentation.
It could be a ship of Theseus thing where Dr Vegapunk kept replacing Bonney's afflicted body parts with cloned body parts immune to the disease, and Kuma removing her memory of the treatments to save her from the trauma until there was nothing left of the original Bonney. This would explain Vegapunk's earlier quote on seeing her as real although others would say she isnt due to only having clone parts in the present day
Think its time we give the "Most Tragic Backstory" trophy to Kuma now. Law's been holding this award for a while now but I believe even he would agree: "bruh..." as he proceeds to "op-op" the trophy next to kuma.
We saw Bonnie produce a gem type thing earlier in egghead when using her df. So I'm thinking she still has the disease but uses her different timeline power of her df to keep it at bay. She's 22 always cus that's her good timeline age where she found a cure
If Bonnie is a clone, she could just be an empty husk, kuma used his paw-paw fruit to remove everything from the original body, (memory, habits, preferences) and push it into the new body. That would still be the same person but with a healthy body.
The idea of vegapunk transferring the disease from bonney to kuma has always seemed big to me. Maybe the only cure was to become a cyborg but kuma didn't want that for bonney so pulled another martyr
as a new father i ABSOLUTELY love kuma he was heavily underrated only because we didn't know his story but he's the most generous person in one piece even more than luffy
This Ginny-Kuma-Bonny storyline is so heartbreaking yet so interesting with respect to One Piece lore. -the Sapphire disease is made worse by sunlight and moonlight -Kuma fancying himself as Nika the Sun God -then there is moonlight and the minks and sulong -if the disease is some kind kind of STD passed around by Celestial Dragons then I am guessing there's a subset of CD that have the disease and therefore have to be isolated -this also brings new significant to the masks that CD wear...what if they they actually certain weaknesses and the pride of not wanting to breath mortal air is just an excuse? -also Jewellery Bonney creates gems as she uses her DF powers...any connections with the gem on her face? Man to say that I am overwhelmed and loving every moment of Oda's writing is an understatement.
Vega Punk has teleporters.. in Star Trek they would cure diseases like Bonnie's by teleporting her somewhere else but not teleporting the diseased tissue. That's one way off the top of my head Vega Punk may be able to cure her.
My theory is that VegaPunk gives Bonney the Age-Age fruit in order to "buy her time" from the Sapphire Scale disease, in order to come up with a proper remedy/vaccine. Because obviously by the time we're introduced to her, she does have the epithet "Jewelry" Bonney, but without the affliction.
I could see the clone theory being true, especially since Kuma has his Paw paw fruit. we have seen that it can take push out metaphysical concepts like memories. and souls are a physical thing in this world so... Make a clone of Bonny, and Kuma puts her soul into the clone..it would just be her with a new body!
I dont know if this will ever be addressed, but i find it very interesting that a pain bubble kuma makes if not absorbed will go back to the person it was taken from. But with a memory bubble vegapunk had kumas for years.
I actually think that there was no deal in my head canon Kuma took Bonney's sickness to himself making him on death's door after Dr. Vegapunk learn about it he offered Kuma a way to possibly survive by becoming his test subject for the Pacifista program which he accept so Bonney would never know what he did for her. That is why Bonney was no longer angry at Dr. Vegapunk after she learned what happened and also cried after she discovered what really happened.
at first I thought Kuma's massive frown was just the way he looked. then I thought it was the cyborg process that messed with his face. Now I know that his life was just so awful that it plastered a constant grimace on his face so enduring that it lasted even after loosing his memory and humanity
What if Vegapunk cloned Bonney and then Kuma used his paw paw fruit to put the sick bonneys memories into the clone, maybe even removed the memories of her sickness? That would explain how Bonney might have an older body because its a clone and also explain how Vegapunk knew how long it would take for the Seraphim to properly age, cause he already had experience with cloning I doubt Kuma would be able to live with just a clone of Bonney that doesnt have her memories, so basically being a completely different Bonney than the one he knew
Aside from the sapphire thing, I don't think Saturn is the one. The gorosei in particular seem a lot less impulsive and desire driven than the rest of the celestials with how they've been carrying themselves. I can't imagine they care much about personal pleasure. They very much seem all about maintaining any order that falls under Imu's whims. I think deeper connections with Kuma and why Bonney is so mad at him in particular is because isn't because of Ginny but simply because he might've been the one to order/make Kuma submit to a deal of losing his consciousness to be a weapon and eventually just ordering him to be a tool for the lesser Celestials.
Kuma using his devil fruit to remove the sapphire scale and then absorbing the bubble into himself which requires vegapunk to modify kuma into a cyborg to combat the disease. Then the WG gets wind that vegapunk is modifying a revolutionary commander and kuma tells Vegapunk to tell the WG that vegapunk developed a means to capture kuma to extract his buccaneer DNA for a new weapons program for the WG.
Speaking of the Elder St. Saturn I think that Dr. Kurhea is St. Saturn's sister because of Rhea being a moon in Saturns orbit and explains her long lifespan
Authors usually don't hate their own characters, that's a weird narrative on the manga community that somehow because bad things happen, the author hates the character
@@yosos2 Literally the opposite. As Stephen King said in his book on writing, "Kill your darlings." Every character you love and value, you should tear them apart because the fact that you love them means they are interesting and engaging and those are the people who need to have conflict and tragedy to either overcome or be overcome by to make for an interesting narrative. But as the OP says, he's just joking.
@LupineShadowOmega yeah that's what im saying, i know it's a joke but people are taking it very seriously. I ve seen a lot of arguments lately about beloved characters dying in manga because the author hates them and not for any narrative reason(jjk,snk)
Oda was late with the manuscript because he was going back and forth between making us cry like we did with Ace or with Going Merry. He chose the third option make us cry like Robin cried when Luffy told her “say you want to live”
My theories regarding Bonney are two. First one is that Kuma becomes a cybor in order to take Bonney's disease into himself, but now that he is all metal the disease cant affect him. The other one is that similar to Law her devil fruit is the cure to her disease, as in she is still sick, but she can change her body back to when she didnt have anything, or a future form when she doesnt have it. Or maybe her fruit just changes her on a biological level meaning she can heal any disease in her own body.
Saturn being the one to propose the warlord / experiment deal would fit perfectly since that’s his domain. Science and defense. Wouldn’t be surprised if the pacifists thing was his idea to begin with that he was sitting on because there was never a specimen good enough. Hell, he could’ve been thinking of Kumas potential way back in god valley. A scientist at heart cares about innovation over everything else and would’ve seen killing a buccaneer with a cracked devil fruit as a waste. “If he’s capable enough to escape, let him cook and see if he can’t be a useful resource to us later” especially since he’s so kindhearted and easy to manipulate. Which is currently a similar sentiment to what he has on egghead. He might be thinking the same damn thing right now. He’s impressed by the strawhats and that’s why he said he wants to see if they can escape. Because that means they’re capable enough to use as weapons since they’re both strong and all kindhearted
I think this is missing the most obvious one... Kuma uses his pawpaw abilities to remove the sickness and takes it on himself and in order to be around for longer he agrees to become a cyborg
When Kuma drops a Nuclear Blast level URZA SHOCK on Saturn gathering all his pain and suffering into one final attack... It's going to be magical. We may all cry again.
to go along with the clone idea. Another way we could spin this is that Vega punk just creates a new body for Bonny and Kuma just use his devil fruit to pass along all her memories/soul into the new body. Leaving the diseased body behind in favor for a new, disease free, body.
I think she was given the Devil Fruit to stop her aging and therefore pause the progression of her condition. That gave Vega Punk more time to cure her.
Kuma becoming a cyborg would explain @tekking101 's deal with a devil theory. Its like Kuma offered his soul in exchange of something (in this case Bonney's cure).
What do you mean?? Egghead was praised as a top-tier arc way before the Kuma backstory was shown. Maybe you meant that the Kuma backstory elevated the Egghead arc into an even higher level, or maybe it’s just your opinion and you weren’t liking egghead that much haha
To me bonney is clearly cured in a similar fashion to Law. She will get her devil fruit from vegapunk. We have seen bonneys ability alternate future already i believe her age age fruit has the ability to rewind herself to before the scales showed up. Therefor bonney still has sapphire scale and isnt cured but gas the ability to overcome it by rewinding herself continuously.😊
Vegapunk definitely pulled a Mr. Freeze and froze Bonnie until he could find a cure for her. In the meantime, kuma became a tyrant/robot (meaning he hasn't seen her as an adult yet), and Vega built up his lab into what we see today. This would explain how Bonnie can both meet Vega ~20 years ago and yet still be 10 or 11 years old. If Vegapunk offered Kuma this or cloning, I think I know which he would pick.
I think Kuma figured out a way to use his fruit to take Bonney 's disease away but they said last chapter the bubble has to go somewhere or it goes back to the person he took it from so he put it on himself. Then as he got worse Vegapunk tried to help replace his parts that got affected until nothing human was left
WHAT IF... Dr. Vegapunk DID clone Bonney without the sapphire scale, and then Kuma used his powers to push the memories out of the sick Bonney and then they put the memories into the cloned body???? I mean, that might be what the conversation about losing memories out and whatnot could've been about.
Maybe she just cured herself with her devil fruit. She can "extract" jewels out of people, remember? Or maybe she is still sick but using her power to be in an alternative future of herself where she is not sick.
I think her fruit might also be a possibility. Some sort of loophole where she never reaches age 10 by always skipping ahead until she was naturally 11.
it's starting to baffle me a little bit how people are ignoring that possibility. If she can alter her future using that fruit and enter different versions of herself, it shouldn't even be close to be beyond the realm of reasoning that she can control the age of the sapphire scales with that fruit.... I'm always questioning how she got that fruit and we know it falls in between her being between the ages of 5-10, since she doesn't have it in the flashback at age 5 but does have it pre timeskip at age 10. I'm personally just really against the clone theory i guess. I don't want oda to go the route of everyone can be brought back to life via cloning... I remember Naruto near it's end with the third great war and how it was re-animated cropses coming back in droves to fight the living. Not clones, but the whole concept of, bring out yer dead ruined that show for me. I hated that war and everything after the Naruto vs pain arc.
I wonder if Kuma’s ability to reject pain works on himself since he’s a cyborg. OR if he can “collect” it onto himself and transfer it later on. MAYBE giving all the pain HE’S felt through the years plus others onto Saturn (possibly un-aliving him). He could also possible teleport him seomwhere else or do a huge Ursa Shock that he’s been collecting during this travel.
@@benikujaku4567 he’s a different “type” of pacifista. I don’t think he has the control chip system that the others have considering that no one technically ordered him to return to the Holy Land and that even Akainu couldnt get him to obey when he yelled “Stop Right There, Kuma!”.
I like the symbolism of kuma taking all of the pain and trauma he took on himself to save others, and giving it to the person who indirectly caused all of that misery
for me the obvious answer would be, kuma learns from Vegapunk how his DF actually works and maybe he learns to expell boneys desease and takes it on himself. The bodyparts that develop the sapphire stones will be replaced with robot parts.
I feel Sapphire Scale is something that Doc Q would have done and it was possible that back then to be why he has such a prominent bounty on him as well as the possibility of a previous user to have caused such afflictions.
If I remember correctly, Saturn is the Roman name for Kronos, the Titan father of the Olympians. So with Saturn's standing, Bonney is an 'Olympian' and her power is representative of 'Time' she might be a variation of 'Chronos' the God of Time. In Greek Myth, Kronos ate his children to protect his power. I could be reaching with all of this, but it's a dark thought that *kind of* makes sense with me.
I get the feeling that Kuma probably sold things piecemeal to Saturn. Like it started with him becoming a warlord and reporting to Saturn. Then for Vegapunk to experiment on him, then lose his humanity, etc
Something along the lines of Kuma goes to VP. VP goes to WG. Saturn asks for mother flame project and Kuma cyborging in exchange for whatever they know about sapphire scale.
16:37 Maybe the clone of Bonney idea isn't that bad after all. Create multiple clones without the disease and little by little replace the diseased body parts of Bonney with the healthy ones. -> Sort of what Kuriba Ryouko did to herself in the Double Existence Arc of a A certain scientific Railgun. 18:38 Even without any prior relation. Using Bonney's continued treatment/life as leverage to turn Kuma against the Revolutionaries is tempting for Saturn/the World Government as a whole anyway. 24:03 I'm still surprised that you didn't go the quite obvious "Bonney is technically a Celestial Dragon so Akainu wasn't allowed to hurt her."-Route.
If the disease involves light then it makes sense that veegapunk could have some insider knowledge in working with kizaru💡I need vegapunk to answer so many questions for me 😂
My theory is that Vegapunk clones a healthy body for Bonney and Kuma uses his devil fruit to 'push' Bonney's memories/soul into the clone body. I mean, we already know he can push memories so it could be feasible.
Huh, no mention of Bonney's Devil Fruit. You sure it's not the fruit that saved her? I mean, she has a ring now where the sapphire scale was on her face... and with her ability she can create jewelry and different shapes from the years she "steals" from her target. Maybe it has something to do with it.
Also we should be taking into account how Akainu notices Bonney, if she's Saturn's daughter it'd be possible that Akainu knows it too and through that she somehow escapes? Being born of celestial blood, those that without celestial blood are forbidden to lay hand on them, like Akainu.
How about this…Kuma paws the emerald thing out of Bonnie and puts it on himself. Then the solution would be for him to be converted into a machine for it not to affect him. Just a Thought
It would be interesting if Vegapunk cloned a body without blue scale and was able to transfer Bonney’s mind into a new body. Or maybe the Bonney we see is a satellite body and bonneys actual brain is sitting somewhere nice and safe.
Hey Tekking, building off your clone idea what if Kuma could take Bonny's memories out and place it in the clone? We've seen he's able to do it with himself in Vegapunk's lab. Could he transfer the memories from the sick Bonny and put it onto the clone, preventing Bonny's "soul" from dying?
Hey tekking, hopefully you see this,I wanted you to go over something for me. Who has the lead in road ponegliff, the last road ponegliff was on fish man island I’m thinking the man with the burn scar was from Rogers crew because they were the last crew who saw the last road ponegliff
I'm still reeling, this is straight up horrific, is blows all the other tragedies out of the water... but maybe that's just because we only got vague details about most of them... I wanna see saturn die so bad right now.
With regards to Bonnie being a clone, Kuma CAN remove memories/experiences and he said that they need to go somewhere... I wonder if he maybe transferred Bonnie's consciousness/memories into a clone body?
The whole "deal with the devil" contract thing can make sense, probably did that with all the marines due to what happened to some low level ones who died gazing upon Saturn's spider form, something along the lines of when a marine joins, they enter into a contract, a union contract so to speak, where unless you get promoted to rear admiral or above, you may not be granted permission to see any of the gorosei, I can see that happening
I'm still in the camp that Ivankov will be the one who has to save Bonney with the hormone fruit. Vegapunk knows the abilities of the Devil Fruits, and keeps in contact with Dragon. At this point, it's possible for Ivankov to have it and is using it. Vegapunk has Ivan use the fruit to change Bonney's DNA, just like he did with Luffy. This might also explain how Ivankov is captured and thrown into Impel Down.
I heard a theory (maybe from GrandLineReview) that, similarly to how the Ope Ope no Mi was used to cure Law of Amber Lead disease, that the Toshi Toshi no Mi will be the means by which Bonnie is cured of Sapphire Scale. Since Bonnie has the ability to alter her physical age, perhaps she was able to “reset” her body to a state before she contracted it and then she herself back up without it? Or since she has the ability to access “warped future” versions of herself, maybe she used the fruit to access a version of herself where she never got sick in the first place? As for how Vegapunk could still be involved: a) he had the fruit and was studying it. B) his people found it for Kuma. C) Vegapunk tried to cure Bonnie but didn’t have the means at the time, so Saturn involves himself and presents the fruit to Kuma.
I think Bonney became a genetically modified human where Vegapunk remove the gene for the disease which came from the Celestial Dragons and inorder for Bonney to survive that Vegapunk needed a strong gene, the Buccaneers.
Shoutout to Kuma for traumatizing me 15 years ago and then traumatizing me again now for two entirely different reasons
Damn, your 100th comment on this channel. Congrats!
He really is the MVP for that
Can you imagine how bad it would've been if the story just ended after he sent everyone flying from Sabaody?
@@GunmarTheBlackI'd just think it was a terrible story if that happened. Would be equivalent to the final episode of the 4kids adaptation.
Dammmn 15 years ago I was 2 years old goes to show how good One Piece is
It blows me away that the Worst Generation pirates were last minute additions. Maybe Oda had some concept of what the Generation would become, but to incorporate characters like Law, Bonney, and Drake flawlessly into the story in ways that makes sense is truly masterful. Even more so if they were actual last minute additions.
He had a lot of time to think about them, though: after Sabaody we got Impel Down, Marineford and Fishman Island before we were able to know something more. Still impressed, he's capable of connecting an insane amount of dots and even finding details throughout hundreds of chapters to link them somewhere in a convincing way. That's some next level worldbuilding skills.
@@mattia_carciola Yes, but even in the case of Law, Oda made his Jolly Roger clearly associated with Doflamingo’s Jolly Roger that we saw in Jaya. I’m pretty sure Doffy also mentioned the Smiles in Saboady as well. Obviously, Oda focused on Law’s story the most, to the point that I believe some version of Law was always planned but the editors said to make more rivals. Either way, my point is highlight Oda’s masterful storytelling. although I wish the name “Nika” appeared more in the story before Wano. There was always “sun” foreshadowing in the series. My favorite being Blackbeard saying “Sun vs Darkness. Who will win!” Except Ace had a fake “sun” where as Luffy is the real “sun.”
@@ryumple completely agree
@@ryumple yeah if you are retarded.
Theory: The intensely tragic (even by One Piece standards) story is intentional. Kuma will arrive at Egghead, regain his mind from the memory bubble, push all the suffering he had endured out of him and throw it at Saturn killing him.
I’d love to see that.
That would make sense for how Saturn gets defeated. Since we know all of the characters are not strong enough yey
I really fucking hope so
What's crazy about this I don't think Saturn dodge it either thinking it's just a skill and will do nothing to his immortal body. Pushing all the pain and disease like Sapphire Scale Kuma stored up as a Cyborg on Saturn its going feel so satisfying to watch.
That's some poetic justice shit. I love it!
I never thought that I would cry over the boogeyman at the end of Thriller Bark. Initially, I thought Kuma was just another obstacle for Luffy to overcome.Oda is an amazing storyteller and I fully intend on bawling my eyes after we see how Kuma traded away his freedom to save Bonney
Honestly coming from a d&d dm, Oda has one of the best world building abilities. We knew barely anything about doffy from alabasta until dressrosa. Kuma is.. I knew the moment I saw him he'd be my favorite character. And kuma is another word for bear and people tend to associate me to one because of personality lol. Very defensive for those I care about and only soft to them. It's crazy how far we've gotten
@@NekoUmbreonxTankan yeah if you are retarded.
I honestly think that Bonney"s piercing actually is a device made by Vegapunk to suppress the proliferation of the disease. Eventually, that's gonna come off, and we'll get to see Chopper using his medical skills to develop a cure right before Bonney's condition gets irreversible.
thanks Tekking, i was tired of saying i have trauma from my past. now i can just measure my pain through ✨tragedy points✨
We need an in-depth tangent and explanation on how the tragedy points scale works from tekking 😂
One thing I noticed is that Kuma said to Bonney she would be cured by the age of 10 (because she understood that). And in the end he didn't lie to her even though he thought he was. Bonney is 12 now, so before timeskip she was 10, and we know as a fact that by then she was already cured. So that's at least a good thing for Kuma's life, he was able to keep that promise
;C
Bonneys 12?
Ladies and gentlemen…..we got him!
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The chapter explicitly shows her age.
@@loganmincks7819melt your hard drive NOW
I think Kuma has become one of my favorite characters simply based off of how horrendously tragic his past was. His whole theme is sacrifice, self-sacrifice specifically 😭
That man is a saint.
Yeah he’s the epitome of selflessness
What'd he do?
@@NachtAsilewhat hasn't he done
@@Speed001 idk. Skipped all the boring stuff
Kuma is gonna repel the disease from bonny once he finds out Vega punk cant cure it (or he can cure it but the solution is to become a cyborg) and take it into himself. Kuma will then volunteer to become a cyborg because he is gonna die anyways and wants some part of him to look after bonny. Kuma explaining earlier that when he repels pain it has to go somewhere is a chekhov's gun that needs to play some part
i doubt that cause Kuma would try that first
Not impossible though, Kuma can reject alot of things with his powers, it's debatable so far if he can do the same for sapphire scales, because he can't just reject it right away, he would need someone to take it in, or else it would just go back to bonney
Everything's possible, but I have interpreted that as a plot justification to have him take all the suffering
Or maybe if we stick with the clone Bonney theory, Vegapunk could, like Tekking said, create a clone of Bonney, but then Kuma could use his powers to repel Bonney's memories out of her diseased body and into the clone, making the current Bonney not just a clone, but basically an exact replica.
Vegapunk wasn’t making clones back then, y’all need to drop it at this point it’s getting annoying.
Who knew an arc that would be about science/technology in the manga/anime about a fictional world of pirates with magic fruit would be full of so much tragedy? Kuma has shot up the list of favorite (former) Warlords
Also something they overlook is than the Doctor said the desease was rare and thought to be extinct even. For the celestial dragons to have it and transmit it makes sense. Cuz their genes % dont mix with the lower folk and just between themselves making rare genes, rare deformations and rare diseases more often to appear
the helmets they wear could be related to disease
Kuma can pull memories out of people, he probably pushed out Bonnie's memories and put them in the clone to "save" her, that's also probably the plan to save kuma
Good theory it is very possible
My theory from chapter 1098: I doubted she was a clone until 1097 (Oda trolling us and her being off-screen wouldn't have been new), but knowing she *is* younger using her fruit, but looking 5ish after seawater + death toll before age of 10 + what the narrator said last thing in the chapter + getting used to no peace for Kuma ("the never ending tragedy continues to unfold")... Well... Damn
Honestly this feels the most likely route. Especially given the precedence of clones (Stussy) and Kuma’s memory abilities. Tbh I’d rather it this way because it makes the whole situation just a tad more twisted.
My thoughts exactly. This Bonney is a clone and the real Bonney has been dead for years.
Furthermore, the clone theory makes Bonneys age even wierder. Since she'd be mentally twelve and biologically between seven and four.
Because of all of that, her age-age powers might be required for her not to realise what happened.
If the train doesn’t have any bumps or delays this is a very likely possibility and would give Kuma precedence that he can pull out memories along with pain. Big question is how did Vegapunk contain it since the pain bubbles have to go somewhere so vegapunk and kuma must’ve been working together for a bit till the memory bubble preservation technology could be perfected. Wonder who was the Guinea pig for this experimentation, maybe vegapunk with his vast knowledge was used to take out small bits for experimentation.
It could be a ship of Theseus thing where Dr Vegapunk kept replacing Bonney's afflicted body parts with cloned body parts immune to the disease, and Kuma removing her memory of the treatments to save her from the trauma until there was nothing left of the original Bonney. This would explain Vegapunk's earlier quote on seeing her as real although others would say she isnt due to only having clone parts in the present day
Think its time we give the "Most Tragic Backstory" trophy to Kuma now.
Law's been holding this award for a while now but I believe even he would agree: "bruh..." as he proceeds to "op-op" the trophy next to kuma.
We saw Bonnie produce a gem type thing earlier in egghead when using her df. So I'm thinking she still has the disease but uses her different timeline power of her df to keep it at bay. She's 22 always cus that's her good timeline age where she found a cure
If Bonnie is a clone, she could just be an empty husk, kuma used his paw-paw fruit to remove everything from the original body, (memory, habits, preferences) and push it into the new body.
That would still be the same person but with a healthy body.
I like this idea
This. For tragedy points probably while she's dying in his arm, because " *the never ending tragedy* continues to unfold"
@@mattia_carciola really nice idea
The hell 5his get 30 likes 😡
The idea of vegapunk transferring the disease from bonney to kuma has always seemed big to me. Maybe the only cure was to become a cyborg but kuma didn't want that for bonney so pulled another martyr
as a new father i ABSOLUTELY love kuma he was heavily underrated only because we didn't know his story but he's the most generous person in one piece even more than luffy
This Ginny-Kuma-Bonny storyline is so heartbreaking yet so interesting with respect to One Piece lore.
-the Sapphire disease is made worse by sunlight and moonlight
-Kuma fancying himself as Nika the Sun God
-then there is moonlight and the minks and sulong
-if the disease is some kind kind of STD passed around by Celestial Dragons then I am guessing there's a subset of CD that have the disease and therefore have to be isolated
-this also brings new significant to the masks that CD wear...what if they they actually certain weaknesses and the pride of not wanting to breath mortal air is just an excuse?
-also Jewellery Bonney creates gems as she uses her DF powers...any connections with the gem on her face?
Man to say that I am overwhelmed and loving every moment of Oda's writing is an understatement.
Vega Punk has teleporters.. in Star Trek they would cure diseases like Bonnie's by teleporting her somewhere else but not teleporting the diseased tissue. That's one way off the top of my head Vega Punk may be able to cure her.
I still cant believe that there is a backstory that is just as grim or more so than the previous ones we got and it still isn't finished yet.
My theory is that VegaPunk gives Bonney the Age-Age fruit in order to "buy her time" from the Sapphire Scale disease, in order to come up with a proper remedy/vaccine. Because obviously by the time we're introduced to her, she does have the epithet "Jewelry" Bonney, but without the affliction.
I could see the clone theory being true, especially since Kuma has his Paw paw fruit. we have seen that it can take push out metaphysical concepts like memories. and souls are a physical thing in this world so... Make a clone of Bonny, and Kuma puts her soul into the clone..it would just be her with a new body!
But would the clone already have a soul?
I think we are gonna need a video making a leaderboard of characters with the highest tragedy points.
I dont know if this will ever be addressed, but i find it very interesting that a pain bubble kuma makes if not absorbed will go back to the person it was taken from. But with a memory bubble vegapunk had kumas for years.
I actually think that there was no deal in my head canon Kuma took Bonney's sickness to himself making him on death's door after Dr. Vegapunk learn about it he offered Kuma a way to possibly survive by becoming his test subject for the Pacifista program which he accept so Bonney would never know what he did for her.
That is why Bonney was no longer angry at Dr. Vegapunk after she learned what happened and also cried after she discovered what really happened.
Oi 16:41 uoooli 16:47 i😅ooo9ikil0ioo
at first I thought Kuma's massive frown was just the way he looked. then I thought it was the cyborg process that messed with his face. Now I know that his life was just so awful that it plastered a constant grimace on his face so enduring that it lasted even after loosing his memory and humanity
Bonney and Kuma meeting about to show a lot of tears.
This is 100% taking the crown of most tragic backstory so far.
What if Vegapunk cloned Bonney and then Kuma used his paw paw fruit to put the sick bonneys memories into the clone, maybe even removed the memories of her sickness?
That would explain how Bonney might have an older body because its a clone and also explain how Vegapunk knew how long it would take for the Seraphim to properly age, cause he already had experience with cloning
I doubt Kuma would be able to live with just a clone of Bonney that doesnt have her memories, so basically being a completely different Bonney than the one he knew
Who is the queen dowager of sorbet...? Who was Bonney even impersonating at Reverie
Yes that is a good question because someone actually recognized her as Connie so this person is most likely alive
I’ve been thinking this exactly!
I'm thinking herself. Which could be a fun subversion. That Kuma as the King just said that "Connie" was his mother. XD
Aside from the sapphire thing, I don't think Saturn is the one. The gorosei in particular seem a lot less impulsive and desire driven than the rest of the celestials with how they've been carrying themselves. I can't imagine they care much about personal pleasure. They very much seem all about maintaining any order that falls under Imu's whims. I think deeper connections with Kuma and why Bonney is so mad at him in particular is because isn't because of Ginny but simply because he might've been the one to order/make Kuma submit to a deal of losing his consciousness to be a weapon and eventually just ordering him to be a tool for the lesser Celestials.
Kuma using his devil fruit to remove the sapphire scale and then absorbing the bubble into himself which requires vegapunk to modify kuma into a cyborg to combat the disease.
Then the WG gets wind that vegapunk is modifying a revolutionary commander and kuma tells Vegapunk to tell the WG that vegapunk developed a means to capture kuma to extract his buccaneer DNA for a new weapons program for the WG.
Speaking of the Elder St. Saturn I think that Dr. Kurhea is St. Saturn's sister because of Rhea being a moon in Saturns orbit and explains her long lifespan
Damn 😳
With all his suffering, either Oda hates Kuma, or he's his favorite character like Isayama with Reiner and Aka with Maki.
(edit : that is a joke)
Authors usually don't hate their own characters, that's a weird narrative on the manga community that somehow because bad things happen, the author hates the character
@@yosos2 Literally the opposite. As Stephen King said in his book on writing, "Kill your darlings." Every character you love and value, you should tear them apart because the fact that you love them means they are interesting and engaging and those are the people who need to have conflict and tragedy to either overcome or be overcome by to make for an interesting narrative.
But as the OP says, he's just joking.
@LupineShadowOmega yeah that's what im saying, i know it's a joke but people are taking it very seriously. I ve seen a lot of arguments lately about beloved characters dying in manga because the author hates them and not for any narrative reason(jjk,snk)
@@yosos2My Boy Gojo for example, Love the character, he's my favorite character of jjk, but he's a perfect example of your comment
Oda was late with the manuscript because he was going back and forth between making us cry like we did with Ace or with Going Merry. He chose the third option make us cry like Robin cried when Luffy told her “say you want to live”
Before I even finish this video, the moment you said "that's an eleven" I burst out laughing. So simple but it caught me off guard 😂
My theories regarding Bonney are two. First one is that Kuma becomes a cybor in order to take Bonney's disease into himself, but now that he is all metal the disease cant affect him.
The other one is that similar to Law her devil fruit is the cure to her disease, as in she is still sick, but she can change her body back to when she didnt have anything, or a future form when she doesnt have it. Or maybe her fruit just changes her on a biological level meaning she can heal any disease in her own body.
The Evil Overlord: Subverted Trope. A Ruler is called the "Tyrant" because, as with the original definition of the word, he didn't inherit his title.
Saturn being the one to propose the warlord / experiment deal would fit perfectly since that’s his domain. Science and defense. Wouldn’t be surprised if the pacifists thing was his idea to begin with that he was sitting on because there was never a specimen good enough. Hell, he could’ve been thinking of Kumas potential way back in god valley. A scientist at heart cares about innovation over everything else and would’ve seen killing a buccaneer with a cracked devil fruit as a waste. “If he’s capable enough to escape, let him cook and see if he can’t be a useful resource to us later” especially since he’s so kindhearted and easy to manipulate.
Which is currently a similar sentiment to what he has on egghead. He might be thinking the same damn thing right now. He’s impressed by the strawhats and that’s why he said he wants to see if they can escape. Because that means they’re capable enough to use as weapons since they’re both strong and all kindhearted
6:28 kuma is like a god damn superhero
I think this is missing the most obvious one... Kuma uses his pawpaw abilities to remove the sickness and takes it on himself and in order to be around for longer he agrees to become a cyborg
When Kuma drops a Nuclear Blast level URZA SHOCK on Saturn gathering all his pain and suffering into one final attack... It's going to be magical. We may all cry again.
to go along with the clone idea. Another way we could spin this is that Vega punk just creates a new body for Bonny and Kuma just use his devil fruit to pass along all her memories/soul into the new body. Leaving the diseased body behind in favor for a new, disease free, body.
"A life for a life" my first thought was Stoik saving from Hiccup in "how to train your dragon 2"
I think she was given the Devil Fruit to stop her aging and therefore pause the progression of her condition. That gave Vega Punk more time to cure her.
Kuma becoming a cyborg would explain @tekking101 's deal with a devil theory. Its like Kuma offered his soul in exchange of something (in this case Bonney's cure).
Kuma’s backstory saved Egghead arc just like Oden’s backstory saved Wano arc 😭
What do you mean?? Egghead was praised as a top-tier arc way before the Kuma backstory was shown. Maybe you meant that the Kuma backstory elevated the Egghead arc into an even higher level, or maybe it’s just your opinion and you weren’t liking egghead that much haha
To me bonney is clearly cured in a similar fashion to Law. She will get her devil fruit from vegapunk. We have seen bonneys ability alternate future already i believe her age age fruit has the ability to rewind herself to before the scales showed up. Therefor bonney still has sapphire scale and isnt cured but gas the ability to overcome it by rewinding herself continuously.😊
THERE IS AN SCAR ON MIHAWK CHEST IN CROSS GUILD POSTER,IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE
Vegapunk definitely pulled a Mr. Freeze and froze Bonnie until he could find a cure for her. In the meantime, kuma became a tyrant/robot (meaning he hasn't seen her as an adult yet), and Vega built up his lab into what we see today. This would explain how Bonnie can both meet Vega ~20 years ago and yet still be 10 or 11 years old. If Vegapunk offered Kuma this or cloning, I think I know which he would pick.
Best case scenario, vegapunk, put in a contingency protocol into kuma that lets him kick Saturn’s ass if Saturn tries to go back on the deal
Dude you seriusly had to make me cry again recaping Kuma's life
Becori in the house
Kuma is a Pastor-fista
Kuma asking perona where she'd like to go in vacation and perona having pink hair holds more meaning now
Kuma is heading to egghead to retrieve his memory .the giant bubble that vegapunk was protecting
I think its more, the government is garenteeing her safety in exchange for kuma's cooperation, hence why akainu was afraid when he heard about bonnie
I think Kuma figured out a way to use his fruit to take Bonney 's disease away but they said last chapter the bubble has to go somewhere or it goes back to the person he took it from so he put it on himself. Then as he got worse Vegapunk tried to help replace his parts that got affected until nothing human was left
Don’t forget buggies “I can’t goto that island or I’ll die” disease.
One more element to add to your clone theory is kuma could Transfer bonnys memories and consciousness to the clone body with the paw paw fruit,
WHAT IF... Dr. Vegapunk DID clone Bonney without the sapphire scale, and then Kuma used his powers to push the memories out of the sick Bonney and then they put the memories into the cloned body???? I mean, that might be what the conversation about losing memories out and whatnot could've been about.
in a pirate series thats retarded.
Since day 1. Kuma has been fighting for his life. He has never known true peace
Maybe she just cured herself with her devil fruit. She can "extract" jewels out of people, remember? Or maybe she is still sick but using her power to be in an alternative future of herself where she is not sick.
Now it makes sense why vegapunk said that absorbing kumas bubble will kill you to bonney. He was talking about her mental state.
The clone bonney idea sounds good if you wanted Kuma to suffer more. Losing his child and replaced with a clone
I think her fruit might also be a possibility. Some sort of loophole where she never reaches age 10 by always skipping ahead until she was naturally 11.
it's starting to baffle me a little bit how people are ignoring that possibility. If she can alter her future using that fruit and enter different versions of herself, it shouldn't even be close to be beyond the realm of reasoning that she can control the age of the sapphire scales with that fruit....
I'm always questioning how she got that fruit and we know it falls in between her being between the ages of 5-10, since she doesn't have it in the flashback at age 5 but does have it pre timeskip at age 10.
I'm personally just really against the clone theory i guess. I don't want oda to go the route of everyone can be brought back to life via cloning... I remember Naruto near it's end with the third great war and how it was re-animated cropses coming back in droves to fight the living. Not clones, but the whole concept of, bring out yer dead ruined that show for me. I hated that war and everything after the Naruto vs pain arc.
Rain God can be Dragon. The Rain God that is mentioned in the Skypiea Arc.
I always called Kuma the Johnny Sins of One Piece, that man literally had every job.
I wonder if Kuma’s ability to reject pain works on himself since he’s a cyborg. OR if he can “collect” it onto himself and transfer it later on. MAYBE giving all the pain HE’S felt through the years plus others onto Saturn (possibly un-aliving him). He could also possible teleport him seomwhere else or do a huge Ursa Shock that he’s been collecting during this travel.
Kuma right now is a pacifista. I expect him to appear like a hero‚ but then turn on the strawhats and Bonney when Saturn orders it.
@@benikujaku4567 he’s a different “type” of pacifista. I don’t think he has the control chip system that the others have considering that no one technically ordered him to return to the Holy Land and that even Akainu couldnt get him to obey when he yelled “Stop Right There, Kuma!”.
@@foxgamez4614 true so
I like the symbolism of kuma taking all of the pain and trauma he took on himself to save others, and giving it to the person who indirectly caused all of that misery
for me the obvious answer would be, kuma learns from Vegapunk how his DF actually works and maybe he learns to expell boneys desease and takes it on himself. The bodyparts that develop the sapphire stones will be replaced with robot parts.
I feel Sapphire Scale is something that Doc Q would have done and it was possible that back then to be why he has such a prominent bounty on him as well as the possibility of a previous user to have caused such afflictions.
If I remember correctly, Saturn is the Roman name for Kronos, the Titan father of the Olympians. So with Saturn's standing, Bonney is an 'Olympian' and her power is representative of 'Time' she might be a variation of 'Chronos' the God of Time. In Greek Myth, Kronos ate his children to protect his power.
I could be reaching with all of this, but it's a dark thought that *kind of* makes sense with me.
At the start you look like Kevin when he starts his videos right before he talks about the heinous acts he would allow Reiner Braun do to him
That’s insane to actuallyyyyy sit down and see that
bro if I were Kuma, turning myself into a cyborg wouldn't be enough. I would ask Dr Vegapunk to turn me into a microbe.
I like to believe bonnie got cured from eating the devil fruit
I get the feeling that Kuma probably sold things piecemeal to Saturn. Like it started with him becoming a warlord and reporting to Saturn. Then for Vegapunk to experiment on him, then lose his humanity, etc
Sadness aside, anybody noticed Tekking growing a mustache 0:01
Something along the lines of Kuma goes to VP. VP goes to WG. Saturn asks for mother flame project and Kuma cyborging in exchange for whatever they know about sapphire scale.
16:37 Maybe the clone of Bonney idea isn't that bad after all. Create multiple clones without the disease and little by little replace the diseased body parts of Bonney with the healthy ones. -> Sort of what Kuriba Ryouko did to herself in the Double Existence Arc of a A certain scientific Railgun.
18:38 Even without any prior relation. Using Bonney's continued treatment/life as leverage to turn Kuma against the Revolutionaries is tempting for Saturn/the World Government as a whole anyway.
24:03 I'm still surprised that you didn't go the quite obvious "Bonney is technically a Celestial Dragon so Akainu wasn't allowed to hurt her."-Route.
If the disease involves light then it makes sense that veegapunk could have some insider knowledge in working with kizaru💡I need vegapunk to answer so many questions for me 😂
Kuma in pre time skip. Teleport the crew in silence.
Kuma past reveals the pain he had to bare was unfathomable.
My theory is that Vegapunk clones a healthy body for Bonney and Kuma uses his devil fruit to 'push' Bonney's memories/soul into the clone body. I mean, we already know he can push memories so it could be feasible.
Huh, no mention of Bonney's Devil Fruit. You sure it's not the fruit that saved her? I mean, she has a ring now where the sapphire scale was on her face... and with her ability she can create jewelry and different shapes from the years she "steals" from her target. Maybe it has something to do with it.
Also we should be taking into account how Akainu notices Bonney, if she's Saturn's daughter it'd be possible that Akainu knows it too and through that she somehow escapes? Being born of celestial blood, those that without celestial blood are forbidden to lay hand on them, like Akainu.
How about this…Kuma paws the emerald thing out of Bonnie and puts it on himself. Then the solution would be for him to be converted into a machine for it not to affect him. Just a Thought
It would be interesting if Vegapunk cloned a body without blue scale and was able to transfer Bonney’s mind into a new body. Or maybe the Bonney we see is a satellite body and bonneys actual brain is sitting somewhere nice and safe.
Hey Tekking, building off your clone idea what if Kuma could take Bonny's memories out and place it in the clone? We've seen he's able to do it with himself in Vegapunk's lab. Could he transfer the memories from the sick Bonny and put it onto the clone, preventing Bonny's "soul" from dying?
Hey tekking, hopefully you see this,I wanted you to go over something for me. Who has the lead in road ponegliff, the last road ponegliff was on fish man island I’m thinking the man with the burn scar was from Rogers crew because they were the last crew who saw the last road ponegliff
I'm still reeling, this is straight up horrific, is blows all the other tragedies out of the water... but maybe that's just because we only got vague details about most of them...
I wanna see saturn die so bad right now.
Remember that Bonnie seems to have cheered up after taking in all the memories
Obviously
Thank you for the video! I always enjoy watching your videos! I am very interested to find out how Bonney ends up being cured.
My favorite personal theory right now is kuma took bonny to all the places that he sent the strawhats to. Think about mihawks island
With regards to Bonnie being a clone, Kuma CAN remove memories/experiences and he said that they need to go somewhere... I wonder if he maybe transferred Bonnie's consciousness/memories into a clone body?
Yeah holy shit it became dark reaaal fast. Damn, Oda!
The whole "deal with the devil" contract thing can make sense, probably did that with all the marines due to what happened to some low level ones who died gazing upon Saturn's spider form, something along the lines of when a marine joins, they enter into a contract, a union contract so to speak, where unless you get promoted to rear admiral or above, you may not be granted permission to see any of the gorosei, I can see that happening
I'm still in the camp that bonnie is a clone.and Vega punk couldn't heal her but he could clone her.
I'm still in the camp that Ivankov will be the one who has to save Bonney with the hormone fruit. Vegapunk knows the abilities of the Devil Fruits, and keeps in contact with Dragon. At this point, it's possible for Ivankov to have it and is using it. Vegapunk has Ivan use the fruit to change Bonney's DNA, just like he did with Luffy. This might also explain how Ivankov is captured and thrown into Impel Down.
I heard a theory (maybe from GrandLineReview) that, similarly to how the Ope Ope no Mi was used to cure Law of Amber Lead disease, that the Toshi Toshi no Mi will be the means by which Bonnie is cured of Sapphire Scale.
Since Bonnie has the ability to alter her physical age, perhaps she was able to “reset” her body to a state before she contracted it and then she herself back up without it? Or since she has the ability to access “warped future” versions of herself, maybe she used the fruit to access a version of herself where she never got sick in the first place?
As for how Vegapunk could still be involved: a) he had the fruit and was studying it. B) his people found it for Kuma. C) Vegapunk tried to cure Bonnie but didn’t have the means at the time, so Saturn involves himself and presents the fruit to Kuma.
I think Bonney became a genetically modified human where Vegapunk remove the gene for the disease which came from the Celestial Dragons and inorder for Bonney to survive that Vegapunk needed a strong gene, the Buccaneers.