Getting interested: “Degen” in Althochdeutsch actually means Dolch, but it changed its meaning while the 15th century to Schwert. Today, most people in Switzerland, Germany and probably Austria would call the rapier “Degen”.
@@daskrokodil4584 Ja das sind die späteren "Degen" die wir z.b. aus den Mantel und Degenfilmen kennen. Im Spätmittelalter gibts auch Schwertformen, die darauf hinweisen, zum Beispiel der sogenannte Kreuzdegen (estoc). Mit dem Mittelalterlichen "Degen" hat das gar nichts zu tun ausser, dass man gut damit stechen kann. Da wird auch Schwert und Degen nebeneinander genannt, also durchaus als separate Waffe. In den meisten Fechthandschriften ist einfach ein Dolch damit gemeint, aber die werden halt dann auch mal länger. Aber das scheinst du selbst rausgefunden zu haben ;) Für den Schweizerdegen haben wir eine verlängerung des Schweizerdolches und der Schweizerdegen eignet sich halt auch zum Hieb ist aber eindeutig kein Schwert. Auch noch nicht im 15ten. im 16ten Jahrhundert ändert sich das dann. (hier ists spannend auch Zunftordnungen anzugucken, und natürlich Gesetze innerhalb der Städte). Vereinfacht ist es also ein längerer Dolch im 15ten Jahrhundert. Die Einträge im Wörterbuchnetz hast ja wahrscheinlich angeschaut
@@DangerousswordsmanI figured. 😅 Well swiss historians and museums directors that wrote about this iconic swiss weapon . (Which is only short time in use and is first depicted in the 1460s and vanishes in the beginning of the 16th century from the battlefields but stays sometimes in a civilian context , e.g. vadian's schweizerdegen, but then gets completely replaced by the Schweizerdolch with their famous scabbards) This weapon was contemporary already called Schweizer Degen (Schwyzertegen).not Schwert...so not a sword. Most of the originals I have analysed are 50-60cm total length (there are exceptions) most of them are hollow ground. And they are basically only found in the swiss regions or where swiss are present . Not aware of them anywhere else...the swiss, not using archers but crossbows and powder weapons don't wear typically Buckler at all. While ofc it works well with it. So I strongly recommend getting away from museum info and get into the literature...I can send them to you on FB
They are pretty nice short swords. I prefer the Georgian Satavari personally but they are very similar in form as well as function to the Swiss Degen. The biggest difference would be the rivited handle construction that allows for decorative "golmix"/rivets that stick out on one side & double as hand protection. Similar to the nail/nagel on a messer.
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I think it is pretty safe to say that, that is a sword. A short sword for sure, but in no way is it a "long" dagger.
Degen means dagger though 🧐
@@Dangerousswordsman ... And messer means 'knife'!
@@Dangerousswordsman German native speaker here. “Degen” means a sword, which is optimized for thrusting. “Dagger” would be Dolch.
Getting interested: “Degen” in Althochdeutsch actually means Dolch, but it changed its meaning while the 15th century to Schwert. Today, most people in Switzerland, Germany and probably Austria would call the rapier “Degen”.
@@daskrokodil4584 Ja das sind die späteren "Degen" die wir z.b. aus den Mantel und Degenfilmen kennen. Im Spätmittelalter gibts auch Schwertformen, die darauf hinweisen, zum Beispiel der sogenannte Kreuzdegen (estoc). Mit dem Mittelalterlichen "Degen" hat das gar nichts zu tun ausser, dass man gut damit stechen kann. Da wird auch Schwert und Degen nebeneinander genannt, also durchaus als separate Waffe. In den meisten Fechthandschriften ist einfach ein Dolch damit gemeint, aber die werden halt dann auch mal länger. Aber das scheinst du selbst rausgefunden zu haben ;) Für den Schweizerdegen haben wir eine verlängerung des Schweizerdolches und der Schweizerdegen eignet sich halt auch zum Hieb ist aber eindeutig kein Schwert. Auch noch nicht im 15ten. im 16ten Jahrhundert ändert sich das dann. (hier ists spannend auch Zunftordnungen anzugucken, und natürlich Gesetze innerhalb der Städte). Vereinfacht ist es also ein längerer Dolch im 15ten Jahrhundert. Die Einträge im Wörterbuchnetz hast ja wahrscheinlich angeschaut
Really nice piece and video!
Thank you very much!
You gotta zoom that camera out when you get close.
When you bring it close to show the damage it's not even in frame did you not look at it while editing?
lol sorry. I just noticed that. Thanks for the critique
@Dangerousswordsman other then that the video is pretty well put together
daggers knives and sickles evolved in to swords multiple times independently in world history
Sword happens whether we wish it or not
That is a handsome man.
You are correct
Hi,Have you read the articles/Books by Blum, Wegeli, Gessler and Schneider what a Schweizerdegen is?
I have not. What is it?
Most of my info comes from museum plaques 😆.
@@DangerousswordsmanI figured. 😅 Well swiss historians and museums directors that wrote about this iconic swiss weapon . (Which is only short time in use and is first depicted in the 1460s and vanishes in the beginning of the 16th century from the battlefields but stays sometimes in a civilian context , e.g. vadian's schweizerdegen, but then gets completely replaced by the Schweizerdolch with their famous scabbards) This weapon was contemporary already called Schweizer Degen (Schwyzertegen).not Schwert...so not a sword. Most of the originals I have analysed are 50-60cm total length (there are exceptions) most of them are hollow ground. And they are basically only found in the swiss regions or where swiss are present . Not aware of them anywhere else...the swiss, not using archers but crossbows and powder weapons don't wear typically Buckler at all. While ofc it works well with it. So I strongly recommend getting away from museum info and get into the literature...I can send them to you on FB
They are pretty nice short swords. I prefer the Georgian Satavari personally but they are very similar in form as well as function to the Swiss Degen. The biggest difference would be the rivited handle construction that allows for decorative "golmix"/rivets that stick out on one side & double as hand protection. Similar to the nail/nagel on a messer.
That would be beautiful. You should film a video and we can collab.
I own a number ot Tod's weapons. They are all excellent.
I am so happy about that
I don't think Tod Cutler makes anything that could be described as 'cheap.' Nice piece.
I have been wrong before 😆
Maybe a follow up video on this topic is the Degen compared to the Katzbalger
Good idea! I have one I have been wanting to use
Subbed. I have steel buckler and a messer on the shorter side. So I totally get your drill here.
Heck yeah. What does subbed mean?