Should I Add A DSA SA58 Tactical Carbine To My Collection? (American Made FN FAL Preview)
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Yes sir you should!!!
I never thought much of the Carbine Length FAL, but this thing actually looks really cool. Thanks for sharing!
These videos starting with the ak collection video have been incredible. I am in the process of liquidating my collection. One of the rifles on the block is a dsa sa58. 21" type 2. This video taught me a lot. I had called dsa when I purchased the rifle and it's a 2001. 40xxx serial. I added dsa scope mount cover for optic. Over the years it has by far been my favorite "battle rifle". I can shoot it very accurately with what I would call garbage ammo. My m1a couldn't touch it. You had to run gold medal match to make it happy. I learned a lot. I'll miss it but everything will disappear the 16th. Best for my immediate family. Been so fun learning. Thanks.
Of my SCAR 17S, SAR-48 and my Rhodie FAL-PTC (Para, Tactical, Carbine) ... the PTC is my favorite to shoot. 🤘 ^v^
This is nothing short of AWESOME‼️
I'm so happy you did this video. I miss mine so much (my SCAR is great but it's no FAL).
Thank you for all this history & information on this.
I'm all about the FAL.
Have a great interest in them and don't own one yet.
Ive watched many of your videos from ak, sks, uzi, g3/cetme to this and I love the format and way you try to shoot it all in one go, if there's any editing it is smooth and unnoticeable. The occasional cat bomb is cool. Maybe we need a tabletop review on all the cats haha!
Would love to see DSA release a FNC or 5.56 FAL. I converted my 16” carbine version to Para with an ACR stock and while quite pricey to do so wouldnt replace it with another
I could see them doing an Imbel style 5.56 FAL, but an FNC? That would require totally different tooling and manufacturing techniques. So i doubt they could sink that kind of money into the project. sadly.
I'm with u on this. For a few yesrs I've been wondering if DSA or even PSA would be willing to to tool up for FNCs. PSA is building STG44s so why not something a lil more modern
Pindad will start importing their Indonesian FNCs and civilian BM-59s soon
556 is a useless round for the military 762 was better and should be the main rou d LMT 762 rifle is the best on the market nato members are buying it but only in 556.😊😊
@@thecurlew74037.62 NATO has been displaced as a standard service rifle round for many reasons.
Great timing, was just thinking of these, although I lean more towards the PTR G-3 clones.
Yes, yes, yes. If you can, recreate a UK L1A1 SLR. Nice long barrel and flash hider, folding cocking handle catch (so it doesn't snag), mahogany furniture (so you can oil and cherish it)... And get a 22LR adaptor kit as well
I have an early Tactical Para with the LMT manufactured receiver. Ordered it with OD green Duracoat, bolt with sand cuts, and picatinny rail top cover.
It is beautiful, get it when you can
I don't own a .308 or .30-06 battle rifle, but the FAL always kind of speaks to me. Of course, after an M1 Garand.
I love it!
The gravity thing with 30 round L4 Bren mags is a myth, I'm an ex RGJ rifleman that used them on the L1A1 SLR and had zero issues with them - it was a popular myth at the time, even as told by unit armourers, I reckon it was started because the head-sheds knew how adept we were at 'improving' our equipment, usually by acquiring it by all sorts of means, legal or not :/ so were probably concerned that everyone would be nicking them, as once you have been in a rifle company for a little while your gear looks nothing like it did while you were in training, a lot of it you bought yourself because back in the 80's the issued gear was mostly junk
Thank you
For me, this was the most exciting FAL rifle to come out in some time. It's light, balanced, has a Chrome Lined 4150 BBL, and shoots pretty great. I am pretty happy with it. It also comes with that sling which is a decent sling IMHO. Mine is 51K SN range and actually has a carry handle cut, although it is fitted with a blanking piece.
Anyway, I put a DSA Picatinny Rail and Vortex SPITFIRE 5X on mine (Lightest Optic I could find), works good as a red dot as well if you leave the lens cover on. The more I shoot it the more I like it and it's working it's way into my SHTF rifle of choice.
I say buy it.
Wow, great minds think alike! I’m contemplating grabbing one too- they finally have open stock after a couple of years of DSA FALs being as rare as hens teeth. It’s between this and a PTR- the H&k design is more accurate, good mags are cheaper, and the things are always in stock. DSA FALs are cooler though- they just are.
I love my FAL 21 inch but the problem is it’s Achilles’ heel magazine can’t find reliable magazines
Yes misha you need a compact FAL
Love the timing. Thank you!!!
yes yes yes yes YES YOU SHOULD
I LOVE THIS RIFLE🤟🔥✊👌💯👍
Just do it, don't thinkabout it!
This is a crazy coincidence since I’ve been looking at a FAL ever since picking up a SCAR 17S. I’ve just been itching for an genuine inch rifle like yours, though the market seems to be drying up day by day.
I want one!
They could made a cast dust cover with weaver rail mount on top, it help a lot
Glad I’ve got an old LMT made DSA receiver.
glad you're doing this review. i just picked up the dsa sa58 ibr. its the 18" version with the pic rail top cover and the handguard. i've spent hours researching the receivers and my only particular concern is that the receivers are not forged but cast and the lower being aluminum. im no metallurgist but i am curious as to how strong these are and if they will withstand the test of time. if you have any knowledge on these particulars...please speak on it. love the channel.
Excellent Video Misha. There was a guy named 'Moses' who made plastic/polymer mags which he sold on the FAL files. The mags seemed to work but the business had trouble meeting its obligations, and sold the design and tooling for health reasons. I wonder if these newer mags are coming from his work?
Could be? That happens a lot in the firearms industry. Sadly some of the best gunsmiths and engineers are also some of the worst businessmen and/or money managers *sigh*
FAL for the win. We need more FAL.
Yes, I want the side folder 16 inch version.
Would you ever do a dedicated video on the SAR-48 variants?
love mine
No such thang as two may FALs
I've got an 18" fixed stock and a 16" folder DSA FAL. I love them both. Are they the most practical? No. Also, those polymer FAL mags are not the best.
Yes!
I had one and it was a bad ass rifle, but it didn’t scratch the battle rifle itch with the shortened gas system. It just didn’t look right
Absolutely
I want a FAL so bad 😔
Fixed over Para, #1 best receiver and metric. I'm all in. I sure miss a carry handle. This rifle has all the best. Well price is ugh.
Yes, you should. 😊
Get it.🙏👍😎
I've got 6 of the 30 rnd curved bren mags .I've forever been looking for a spring replacement since these mags are not reliable because of the gravity issue
I have metric and even a couple inch 30 rd mags, and while they work better than the L4 type mags, they still aren't all that great. I think its just too much mass for a spring to try moving.
You should buy one new firearm every month!
yes
hellsyeah!!!
Ah yes, the loud SA-58. Any Tarkov connoisseur will appreciate this.
Bought my SA58 16in para though mine is not the short gas system before the Obama era began. Still one of my favorites. I do however regret selling my Imbel 21in
Had a sa 58 just like that. A chunk of the bolt face chipped off
I have a grays lake stg58 kit gun. And when DSA came out with the cold warrior series a few years back, with the cast type 3 receiver, I picked up the jungle warrior para. The combination of 16” barrel, light aluminum lower, and little bit heavier stock make a rifle that’s so much better balanced, handling, and modern feeling than the traditional military FAL. It’s even better gassed and shoots softer than the bigger heavier trad kit gun. Runs like a top. I love it. Prefer it significantly more than my grays lake stg58
I wouldn't recommend dsa when you can get actual quality imports for sround the same price if you're patient and look around. I've heard nothing but qc issues with DSAs thst weren't parts kit builds such as all the newer ones. At keast their customer service is good from what i hear
I had one. Never worked especially well. Got rid of it eventually.
I Say Why The Hell Not Misha 😀😊 Can Always Sell It Later
1 more 4 the AlGoreRythem💪🤙🇺🇸
What differentiates and who makes the Congo rifle?
Basically Congo is a nickname for a gun with the shorter 18" barrel. FN made some, FMAP (obviously), and Imbel made some too which Springfield sold as the SAR48 Bush Rifle/Carbine.
@@misha5670 Thanks so much Misha.
Since you likely have metal magazines that are reliable, I would say yes but being honest, I wouldn’t get a FAL because of the magazine problem can’t find metal or reliable, space-age plastic
What's a rifle like this going for theses days and are they hard to find?
$1550-1800 depending on the model and features, some more than that. They go in stock fairly often. But they sell out decently fast when they restock.
@@namtar223 Thanks
Were FALs originally made in Belgium then licensed out to be made in other nations? I’m on the front end of the learning curve.
Yes, FN primarily intended the FAL for export/foreign customers. Afterall, domestically the Belgian market is quite small. FN was happy to alter/customize the design (within reason) for individual customers too. Another fun fact, FN offered free production rights and licensing to build the FAL to any Allied nation from WWII since they helped liberate Belgium. So the USA wouldn't have had to pay for the T48.
@@misha5670 Let’s not open that can of worms with the much maligned M14. Lol.
Why not?
Isn’t putting an optic on this gun a pain in the ass?
Of course you should add it to the collection. Your other FAL s are lonely
Yeah add another rifle to your already vast collection. Only thing is: How do you actually shoot being visually impaired?
Quite well, been doing it for 4 decades now.
Cool rifle and it’s not collectible so no need to feel bad about shooting it
Exactly....my others are getting too worthwhile to really use and enjoy often. Funny how even a 'cheap' kit built gun from 10-20 years ago is today worth something (esp on an earlier DSA receiver).
I'll buy your r5 to help you fund another purchase 😂🤷🏻
Good way to support IL manufacturers that are pro 2nd. They survived almost being put to extinction by the backstabbing of springfield armory supporting IL gun grabbers in a bill by funding it. They funded the bill and asked the gun grabbers to exempt them and rock river arms from banning IL gun manufacturers.
Being the owner of one of those British L1A1 kits built on the "MADE IN CANADA" marked Imbel(?)receivers...I keep thinking I ought to sell it and hunt for a rifle that will cycle the blue plastic DAG 308 ammo...if I could find one. Seems the PTR 91's have issues and for a new guy getting into the AR-10 world..good lord that's a cluster-bleep...not sure what to do, really. Last I knew, Arizona response systems HATES the DSA made guns, and that made me a bit leery about buying a DSA FAL..maybe I am stupid.
Yeah AR-10s are quite the rabbit hole. If I could only recommend one it would be the LMT MWS. It’s expensive but not the most expensive. It’s seen military use which is a plus. Finally it has the unique feature of swappable barrels. You can convert a .308 into a 6.5 Creedmoor in the field.
@@markp4401 6.5 Creedmoor has been known to blow primers in semi-autos. It seems 6.5 Creedmoor is safest in PSR bolt actions. While the LMT MWS MARS H series is a nice Cadillac, absolutely nobody does caliber swaps in the field. That's not a real-world thing. For recreational shooters, military, LE, whoever nobody swaps barrels, re-zeros optics, and carries two types of rifle ammo in the field. The only practical advantage of quick-change barrels is the ease of replacing a worn barrel.
It's hardly a cluster fu*k assembling a decent AR10 if you don't want top-of-the-line proven variants such as LMT, KAC, or DD. I would recommend going with AR10 / SR25 pattern over DPMS pattern, but there's a bit more aftermarket support for the DPMS pattern. You could go with Aero Precision or JP Enterprise base to build from. I would recommend installing a quality adjustable gas system to an AR10 build such as the Riflespeed Adjustable Gas System. As for the PTR 91s, the most reliable version is their traditional G3 GI rifle. Now I'm wondering how reliable their new HK93 / HK33 clone will be.
Aside from his own work, what things have you heard Arizona-guy say he actually likes?
@@railfanningpoints2.045 Generally, i agree with you. That said, Swiss special forces sometimes deploy with a kit in a pelican case containing both a STGW07 (SG553LB) receiver and STGW07K (SG553SB) receiver group too. Of course that's simply swapping barrel lengths (also often going from unsuppressed to suppressed); not changing calibers or mag types.
I wouldn't. Especially since you already own nice pre ban FAL's it's kinda like buying a PTR91 when you already own a HK91 in my opinion. But hey do you.
That’s the beauty of it, you can flex on anyone that wants to talk trash on you for owning a clone. Or even worse, give you the whole “they’re basically the same” line 😂
That's exactly what I did. The HK91 is a show piece and the PTR is my shooter. It also has the picatinny rail for optics.
I'll buy it if you don't want it
Nahhh son, you Gotta add a D2A D332NuT2
You didn't make a good choice selling a cut n crowned 106cr for an kusa. It's Made in America on non Russian tooling machines! Where's the Mishaco I followed years ago?
I sold a gun i had $1,000 in when new for $2,600 used. Trust me, I would have made the same call a decade ago too. When starting this business, i sold off several personal guns to raise seed money, and again when we bought this house I sold off a few more personal guns to cover the downpayment. No regrets either time.
No. You should add a Cuban, Venezuelan, Dutch, or M1
You have 'em for sale? Honestly, a nice R1 kit on a proper DSA Vektor type receiver would be my absolute first pick.
@@misha5670 lol, sorry man. I don’t sell my fals. There have been some nice rhodie kits for sale lately though.
Might be tough finding a nice forged R1 receiver though.
I wish I would of bought half a dozen more forged stg receivers when dsa had them.
They are the best ones for scrubbing and engraving with the clone correct markings. I just wish dsa would make a blank type one with their serial in the mag well like they used to but no. They won’t
It's called a CAR-BEEEEEEN.....NOT Turbine.
Really? citation?
It's 'carbine' Not 'carbeen' . You've been watching too many John Wayne movies.
That’s no tactical carbine lol😂 that’s a battle rifle sonny.
No. For no apparent reason no.
That's gonna blow your lungs out
BM 59 Fox Shoot please
I’ve watched this twice and I think I know my shit.
But I feel like Towelie from South Park right now.
'Wanna get hiiiii?'
it's decent
It’s very okay
I have one of their voyager models, not impressed.
@@Detective.John.Kimble I was being generous, lol
dont buy it just get a tavor 7 instead, it takes regular ar10 mags and is way better.