Yeah, when the drones get the minerals and try to escape - that is way more interesting than any Disney movie they put out in the last 5 years. I really loved it when they managed to enter the Nydus and successfully completet the heist!
i feel like harstem (and many others) woud greatly benefit from making it a habit to build one or two macro hatches like dark occasionally does. harstem is constantly floating so many minerals (and around 18:20 also 1000+ gas), and even unupgraded lings are better than nothing in a pinch. macro hatches are seriously underrated.
@@aloe7794Yeah, but if you look later at 20:40 -- he's still having trouble spending his minerals. Assuming he built 2 macro hatches he could have something like 100 lings to fight the thors. But hey, I'm just a bronze league hero
@@aloe7794 that’s probably the most important time to make units. Morph Hydras in main and yank tanks up to them with the Vipers and morph zerglings at your other bases with the 2k minerals left over and rally them to your main army outside the natural to help tank the tank shots for the hydra/lurker.
Haha, that was probably one of the best ever! Nicely done. Here is a suggestion: "the cancel Master". Each time you wanna build a structure (and I mean any structure), you have to build and cancel it ONCE. Then rebuild it and you are good to go. Should be challenging :D
@Harstem Challenge, "Warp-in Master" have a pylon built at every base (taken or not, in the general vicinity). Seems difficult you would need to spread out your pylons early while keeping them alive and then gain advantageous position to build more in your enemies bases later while they are too busy to deal with them, perhaps you can circumvent the rules a little by having set-up warp prisms to make it easier.
Another IODIS suggestion: The max out Muta challenge: -> You need to play stanard zerg macro but you need to absolutely hide the fact that you would go muta. You need to make sure your build also doesn'T give it away. So you must have the gases and all to support a muta transition but need to show somethign else that the enemy believes. When they buy it, you need to build a bank so that at one point you can transition to all in Mutas. -> This means, yopu need to have at least 134 Supply Mutalisk in your army (66 drones are allowed) and delete all other army right before the transition by attacking into your enemy. This muta transition needs you to win the game. -> It is absolutely crucial that the enemy doesn't scout your spire until like right before the transition but you should already have 1 1 researched. That is the challenge. It will hit like a truck hopefully!
The best part of this one is that even if you did manage to hide your spire for litterally the whole game u'd still end up stuck with a army of nothing but mutas after losing a fight.
When you finished stealing the minerals was the hardest I've cheered at a sc2 game . Winning the game was just icing on the cake. Legit very stupid. Love it.
When you make a custom game on a melee map, you can optionally “Create with Mod”. I might be wrong on the name though. Units like Carriers and Battlecruisers which promote stale gameplay have been removed. Spellcasters like the Ghost and High Templar have been deemphasized. The philosophy is to emphasize macro and positioning and to deemphasize comps and counters.
@@vigilanterorschach2600 The Colossus, Storm and Disruptors have been effectively removed in PvT. Widow Mine direct damage to non-light has also been nerfed to further improve the Archon. I have not been able to get a lot of playtesting against competent Protosses as to whether the Archon is viable even without EMP but I have a hope it is.
@@calebstimpson4412Archons are viable even when EMP is in the game most of the time, they are just used for different purposes. And you even went out of your way to nerf the widow mine which is not even that used in TvP as most Protoss units outrange it. I don't want to call you retarded or idiotic but just on paper, those changes make the Terran race unplayable against Protoss and then we haven't even talked about the Zerg match up. Don't even play much Terran myself just to be clear but there is a reason why the Ghosts is how it is.
I wonder if you could have used vipers to get drones out of places. Drone goes in, gets the mineral, runs to the edge and you abduct it out. Probably way more work than dropper lord, I just love the idea of using vipers on your own units.
Captain, I would like you to do sentry drops, using force fields to deny opponents mining. the goal would be to make a visible dip on the resources collected graph. Are you up for the challenge? -Much appreciated
@@Alex-d3l9b, how about this, he has to daisy chain batteries from his natural to the enemy bases to attack. probably impossible against the players he plays but would be a fun way to play, seeing him stack pylons and batteries all over the map
Does the challenge have to be done with Zerg? If you're Terran you could float a CC into one of his bases and MULE hammer his mineral line at whatever point in the game is most convenient.
you are in the balance council. you should talk to them to set the attack priorities to attacking units first so terrans should click to kill zerg spellcasters to kill them. when zerg want to kill workers they need to click one by one. it would be great if i attack a worker with the lings then they priorityze the workers over the fighting units and structures.or a switch to worker attack mode.
Watching you clown on your enemy so hard makes me smile. I've often wondered about neural parasite on a worker. I know, I know.. its impractical.. but if you can borrow an infester at the expansion, and wait for the command center to almost finish you can fly it away? If you steal a probe you can cannon rush with lurkers no? Please don't waste any MMR on this but unranked for a gag that would make for a great show to watch. I never play Zerg, they creep me out, nasty slimes all those little creatures gross me out, I often secretly wish my Thors would be able to squish them by walking over them. And when I play random I always try to neural my way out of the race, so it would be cool to see that actually work once.
I feel like this isn't really "beating grandmasters with stupid stuff". It's more like beating them regularly while completing some side mission. It's hilarious nonetheless.
@ harstem what about a multiple nyduses, splitting enemies attention and then load off 30 workers that go steal the minerals :D and back to nydus network. You did it almost but with too few workers and from far away ;(
This is a useless comment that you promised to read. Look at my horse, my horse is amazing Now that song is in your head too, payback is what it is, sir, just don't go to candy mountain. Your vids are the stone-cold nuts and I wanna see you do this heist with TOSS without using recall.
Hey Captain, if you are interested - there is a challenge for BGMSS - It sounds simple at first - You need to perform a late cannon rush... But you are not allowed to play Protoss so you need to do it with Zerg. Gl if you decide to try :)
I'm confused why so many people like this challenge. Beating with stupid stuff is awesome when trying a stupid strategy that pros won't expect anymore at that level. Stealing 50 minerals isn't a strategy, it's just a random thing to do that won't win you the game. That being said, that first match was still great, regardless of minerals collected.
hmm i think it would be more interesting if you tried challenges that at least remotely resemble a somewhat viable strategy like killing units from freindly fire splash by dropping mules, stealing a base from your opponent, making a mobile wall with barracs etc. but just stealing 50 minerals from someone is not going to give you any interesting new insights ...
This is legitimately the most anxiety inducing challenge I've ever witnessed and I have no idea why.
Yeah, when the drones get the minerals and try to escape - that is way more interesting than any Disney movie they put out in the last 5 years.
I really loved it when they managed to enter the Nydus and successfully completet the heist!
I love the idea of a nydus and just out comes 20 drones to steal minerals and then you manually make them walk back in the nydus after mining
2:20 that is also wonderful, you set the bar early on and the opponent knows
No need to manually make them walk back. Just shift-click the rally point back to the nydus.
9:01 two drones for two cyclones, epic trade
i feel like harstem (and many others) woud greatly benefit from making it a habit to build one or two macro hatches like dark occasionally does. harstem is constantly floating so many minerals (and around 18:20 also 1000+ gas), and even unupgraded lings are better than nothing in a pinch. macro hatches are seriously underrated.
i mean but at 18:20 he was focusing on clearing the entire army blob that was sitting in his nat, wouldn't blame him that he wasn't making units there
@@aloe7794Yeah, but if you look later at 20:40 -- he's still having trouble spending his minerals. Assuming he built 2 macro hatches he could have something like 100 lings to fight the thors. But hey, I'm just a bronze league hero
He's only floating minerals because of his continuous successful heists
@@aloe7794 that’s probably the most important time to make units. Morph Hydras in main and yank tanks up to them with the Vipers and morph zerglings at your other bases with the 2k minerals left over and rally them to your main army outside the natural to help tank the tank shots for the hydra/lurker.
Haha, that was probably one of the best ever! Nicely done.
Here is a suggestion: "the cancel Master". Each time you wanna build a structure (and I mean any structure), you have to build and cancel it ONCE. Then rebuild it and you are good to go. Should be challenging :D
Harstem got 65 minerals that first game! This challenge is going to be miscounted constantly and i think thats fun
Stealing those minerals the way you stole my kidneys
@Harstem Challenge, "Warp-in Master" have a pylon built at every base (taken or not, in the general vicinity). Seems difficult you would need to spread out your pylons early while keeping them alive and then gain advantageous position to build more in your enemies bases later while they are too busy to deal with them, perhaps you can circumvent the rules a little by having set-up warp prisms to make it easier.
nydus was a sick call for this challenge! i'm so glad it worked in the first game!
The man has been playing the game for like 20 years and he can still find new ways to have fun with it
So much fun! Imagine a grand master catching you stealing minerals! WTF is this guy doing in my base?!
Harstem is doing side missions on the ladder 😂😂
Another IODIS suggestion:
The max out Muta challenge:
-> You need to play stanard zerg macro but you need to absolutely hide the fact that you would go muta. You need to make sure your build also doesn'T give it away. So you must have the gases and all to support a muta transition but need to show somethign else that the enemy believes. When they buy it, you need to build a bank so that at one point you can transition to all in Mutas.
-> This means, yopu need to have at least 134 Supply Mutalisk in your army (66 drones are allowed) and delete all other army right before the transition by attacking into your enemy. This muta transition needs you to win the game.
-> It is absolutely crucial that the enemy doesn't scout your spire until like right before the transition but you should already have 1 1 researched. That is the challenge. It will hit like a truck hopefully!
The best part of this one is that even if you did manage to hide your spire for litterally the whole game u'd still end up stuck with a army of nothing but mutas after losing a fight.
Harstem: "Oh, he did all of this on just two base?
Later Harstem: "Oh, he was all-inning me..."
Messed up the counting again at 8:43 😂
When you finished stealing the minerals was the hardest I've cheered at a sc2 game . Winning the game was just icing on the cake. Legit very stupid. Love it.
12:12 ... how do you do multiple sprays??? i thought you could only do 1 every so often??
harstem this made me laugh and made my day better this was awesome
The last few months I've been working on a mod which removes the late game. So far the playtesting games have been very fun!
what’s this mean
When you make a custom game on a melee map, you can optionally “Create with Mod”. I might be wrong on the name though.
Units like Carriers and Battlecruisers which promote stale gameplay have been removed. Spellcasters like the Ghost and High Templar have been deemphasized. The philosophy is to emphasize macro and positioning and to deemphasize comps and counters.
@@calebstimpson4412If you take out the ghost, what does a Terran do against a Protoss that has more than 2 braincells and has at least a hand?
@@vigilanterorschach2600 The Colossus, Storm and Disruptors have been effectively removed in PvT. Widow Mine direct damage to non-light has also been nerfed to further improve the Archon. I have not been able to get a lot of playtesting against competent Protosses as to whether the Archon is viable even without EMP but I have a hope it is.
@@calebstimpson4412Archons are viable even when EMP is in the game most of the time, they are just used for different purposes. And you even went out of your way to nerf the widow mine which is not even that used in TvP as most Protoss units outrange it.
I don't want to call you retarded or idiotic but just on paper, those changes make the Terran race unplayable against Protoss and then we haven't even talked about the Zerg match up.
Don't even play much Terran myself just to be clear but there is a reason why the Ghosts is how it is.
29:25 Should probably have stayed up the ramp in a concave ?
Wonderful video! Thanks for sharing your content Harsty!❤
I wonder if you could have used vipers to get drones out of places. Drone goes in, gets the mineral, runs to the edge and you abduct it out. Probably way more work than dropper lord, I just love the idea of using vipers on your own units.
Captain, I would like you to do sentry drops, using force fields to deny opponents mining. the goal would be to make a visible dip on the resources collected graph. Are you up for the challenge? -Much appreciated
His already done it. Or maybe it was uthermal. But ive seen it done.
@@Alex-d3l9b, how about this, he has to daisy chain batteries from his natural to the enemy bases to attack. probably impossible against the players he plays but would be a fun way to play, seeing him stack pylons and batteries all over the map
This is peak BGMWSS.
Loll almost "is Thor Imba or does Harstem suck?" :D
Harstem is a clown, and I'm here for it 🎉😅
17:25 crazy how much dps the hydra has destroying that PF so fast
20:45 thanks for whying about thors! you are verbalising what I feel every time I get amoved by a mass thor army
This is hilarious 😂 ❤
This might be easier on maps with gold bases.
It would be funny if Harstem fly command center loaded with SCVs for mineral heist.
love the zerg heist - maybe do a heist challenge against thermal?
that first game he had 16 supply at the end holy
Does the challenge have to be done with Zerg? If you're Terran you could float a CC into one of his bases and MULE hammer his mineral line at whatever point in the game is most convenient.
the drones vs the cyclones
I AM GODS CHOSEN WARRIOR
I love the madness
Hey Harstem! Good luck in everything you do nerd.
you are in the balance council. you should talk to them to set the attack priorities to attacking units first so terrans should click to kill zerg spellcasters to kill them. when zerg want to kill workers they need to click one by one. it would be great if i attack a worker with the lings then they priorityze the workers over the fighting units and structures.or a switch to worker attack mode.
when zerg want to kill workers they need to click one by one. - use hold position.
or a switch to worker attack mode. - that would be awful
Watching you clown on your enemy so hard makes me smile. I've often wondered about neural parasite on a worker. I know, I know.. its impractical.. but if you can borrow an infester at the expansion, and wait for the command center to almost finish you can fly it away? If you steal a probe you can cannon rush with lurkers no? Please don't waste any MMR on this but unranked for a gag that would make for a great show to watch. I never play Zerg, they creep me out, nasty slimes all those little creatures gross me out, I often secretly wish my Thors would be able to squish them by walking over them. And when I play random I always try to neural my way out of the race, so it would be cool to see that actually work once.
Read Harstem, read!!
It's a cool BMWSS but with terran u really need to increase the mineral goal.
I feel like this isn't really "beating grandmasters with stupid stuff". It's more like beating them regularly while completing some side mission. It's hilarious nonetheless.
18:49 this is why I don't play Zerg
@ harstem
what about a multiple nyduses, splitting enemies attention and then load off 30 workers that go steal the minerals :D and back to nydus network. You did it almost but with too few workers and from far away ;(
This is a useless comment that you promised to read.
Look at my horse, my horse is amazing
Now that song is in your head too, payback is what it is, sir, just don't go to candy mountain.
Your vids are the stone-cold nuts and I wanna see you do this heist with TOSS without using recall.
grandmastes
So funny!
Harstem, please win GSL 2024 with canonrushes
I love your vids
Hey Captain, if you are interested - there is a challenge for BGMSS - It sounds simple at first - You need to perform a late cannon rush... But you are not allowed to play Protoss so you need to do it with Zerg. Gl if you decide to try :)
I'm confused why so many people like this challenge. Beating with stupid stuff is awesome when trying a stupid strategy that pros won't expect anymore at that level. Stealing 50 minerals isn't a strategy, it's just a random thing to do that won't win you the game.
That being said, that first match was still great, regardless of minerals collected.
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I feel like this is so BM. Worse than manner muling for sure.
You should play random to do this
You're not stupid bro you were scheming deviously on licks not thinking about how to win the game elegantly and efficiently
I have nothing interesting to say but I should comment.
hmm i think it would be more interesting if you tried challenges that at least remotely resemble a somewhat viable strategy like killing units from freindly fire splash by dropping mules, stealing a base from your opponent, making a mobile wall with barracs etc. but just stealing 50 minerals from someone is not going to give you any interesting new insights ...
I have nothing interesting to say.
I have nothing interesting to say
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nothing interesting to say sorry fam jams
Lol most americans don't know when to use "is" or "are" correctly in a sentence.
what is you talkin about? don’t bash are culture like that!
@@djinn_tseng Bahahaha nice one.
grandmastes