First time I seen this arrangement. Reminds me of the electric motorized capstan that I used to drive my piles for my new pier. A small force on the capstan drum increases the friction needed to pull up the weight. Maintained control of a heavy weight at all times.
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Very cool, thanks for explaining it. I work on a sailboat and of course we use winches and pulleys, It's fascinating to see a different mechanism that combines a winch and a pulley kind of all in one. Looking forward to checking out more of your videos.
Is that how they made some pottery and vases? Could also be used as a vertical lathe of sorts, drill, versatile and makes alot of sense. Thats so cool.
@@bekimbeha7972 they could have adapted this technology quite easily from a vertical drill to a turret lathe ua-cam.com/video/I5fXDhSKHi4/v-deo.htmlsi=38v-cvA2g6tj3-1L
I’ve thought this too I recently 3d printed mine and did the same experiment adding more pullers gives you a higher ratio and able to pull heavyweights.
I love the theories, and also believe ropes were used (you can see clear rubbing on the wooden beams inside several of the pyramids - particularly in the bent, 'red' (today's, not antiquity's) and the step-pyramids). Three points/Questions: First: The Djed Pillar (ex: tomb U-j at Abydos) appears in pre-dynastic Egypt, & Ankh (Narmer Palate) in the first dynasty ... the Flail not much later ... about 500 years before the pyramids and during the era of mastabas in Abydos. So, I while I believe you are onto something, you don't have to get so fancy as to put the literal ancient symbols to these uses. Rather, the symbols themselves might be better understood as stylized glyphs representing actual (and more useful) mechanical objects. The problem, of course, is that no actual tools have been found (yet!). Two: wouldn't a "better" use of the three levels (sometimes shown in glyphs as four or rarely more) of the Djed you've created be to combine them with a movable pully/sheave to increase the mechanical advantage? Also, why not have the workmen pull a rope about a stationary pylon, further increasing the mechanical advantage (though the friction created by the step could outweigh the benefits of the mathematical advantage)? If they just walk, might they run out of walking distance? Third, a Theory: The Obsidian floor at the base of the great pyramid is re-purposed material that was once either the casting or just the covering of the exposed portion of the ramp(s). On the Mohs hardness scale, which measures the ability of one mineral to scratch another, obsidian typically ranks around 5 to 5.5. Limestone, which is primarily composed of the mineral calcite, ranks around 3 on the Mohs scale. Although granite is harder than obsidian (at 7), obsidian offers an easier-to-work material than granite while being hard enough and slick enough (if wet? sand?) to support the significantly heavier granite blocks. When construction's complete, 'we' have a great-looking floor.
Been thinking more about this ... the Egyptian had rope-winders for their looms (at least by the Middle Kingdom). Why wouldn't they use the same concept to wind excess rope at the top? Alternatively, they could use the other end of the rope as a counterweight by having a second ramp on the other side of the pyramid (this would also explain each side indentation). Then, lifting a block to the level it's placed simply becomes a seesaw exercise?
So cool! You have the ankh connecting the ropes together, but you see the Egyptians usually holding the ankh by the hand. Can it also be for holding and pulling the rope by the hand?
Pillar DJED - as a granite segmented lifter with a rectangular or square piston. The evidence for this are the sarcophagi from Saqqara, evidence that an ancient civilization could build a granite actuator. The interior of these boxes is this evidence. This invention gave an impulse to the development of the ancient civilization
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If you haven’t please look into recent works on pyramid construction from ancient architects channel. It seems that the ideas you and he have are conflicting but both are plausible and backed by evidence and makes me wonder if both sets of ideas are part of the true picture. Have you considered the granite “proto pullies” and whether they could somehow improve efficiency of the djed pillar or if the use of internal ramps could mesh with the use of the pillars?
First: of all i dont think they where building ramps on the outside. you would not get the corret angel of the hole structure. Look up inside ramps and redo the theory :) second: if you extend the ropes from "ankh" and use gravity from the other side of the pyramid you can just have some baskets of small stones to fill it upp en the gravity to the rest. when the basket are on the bottom of the pyramid on the other side. remover all stones and take them up again to the upper floor. Sand, water, can also be a counterweight. but really nice theory :)
@@stevett225 no, you did not respond to what I wrote. “how they lifted the GRANITE blocks.” Those were NOT taken up his spiral ramps. Check his method for lifting the granite blocks. I’m sure he is right…
Nice idea…if they had steel cables. There’s no rope they could make at that time that would be strong enough to hold and pull multi-ton blocks without breaking. Sorry. If they did make ropes that strong, the rope would have been so thick as to be un-workable on a Djed. Plus, even then they’d need multiple, incredibly thick, native ropes…impractical. Their Djed would have to be the size of the Empire State Building.
These people could sail around the world in boats with sails and rigging. They traded with countries worldwide for goods. Getting strong rope was the least of their problems.
You mentioned that there would be enormous amounts of torque at the bottom of the jet pillar. I'm wondering if they ever used that as the drill to drill the cylinder through different parts of the granite. The guy from uncharted x is talking about sonic drills and laser drills that the ancient Egyptians must have had some lost super advanced technology. But that's always been b*******, in my opinion, I knew they had. Some way of gaining a mechanical avantage so they could generate enough power to cut through granite and pour out perfect circles. I bet day use the jet pillar as a drill and a saw as well.
First time I seen this arrangement. Reminds me of the electric motorized capstan that I used to drive my piles for my new pier. A small force on the capstan drum increases the friction needed to pull up the weight. Maintained control of a heavy weight at all times.
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Very cool, thanks for explaining it. I work on a sailboat and of course we use winches and pulleys, It's fascinating to see a different mechanism that combines a winch and a pulley kind of all in one.
Looking forward to checking out more of your videos.
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Is that how they made some pottery and vases? Could also be used as a vertical lathe of sorts, drill, versatile and makes alot of sense. Thats so cool.
@@bekimbeha7972 they could have adapted this technology quite easily from a vertical drill to a turret lathe ua-cam.com/video/I5fXDhSKHi4/v-deo.htmlsi=38v-cvA2g6tj3-1L
The grand gallery is the winch.
Water also fundamental.
All the best
I’ve thought this too I recently 3d printed mine and did the same experiment adding more pullers gives you a higher ratio and able to pull heavyweights.
Thank you so much for putting so much effort into this, it really shows how much work you’ve put, would love to one day pay for a life size version!!!
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I love the theories, and also believe ropes were used (you can see clear rubbing on the wooden beams inside several of the pyramids - particularly in the bent, 'red' (today's, not antiquity's) and the step-pyramids).
Three points/Questions:
First: The Djed Pillar (ex: tomb U-j at Abydos) appears in pre-dynastic Egypt, & Ankh (Narmer Palate) in the first dynasty ... the Flail not much later ... about 500 years before the pyramids and during the era of mastabas in Abydos. So, I while I believe you are onto something, you don't have to get so fancy as to put the literal ancient symbols to these uses. Rather, the symbols themselves might be better understood as stylized glyphs representing actual (and more useful) mechanical objects. The problem, of course, is that no actual tools have been found (yet!).
Two: wouldn't a "better" use of the three levels (sometimes shown in glyphs as four or rarely more) of the Djed you've created be to combine them with a movable pully/sheave to increase the mechanical advantage? Also, why not have the workmen pull a rope about a stationary pylon, further increasing the mechanical advantage (though the friction created by the step could outweigh the benefits of the mathematical advantage)? If they just walk, might they run out of walking distance?
Third, a Theory: The Obsidian floor at the base of the great pyramid is re-purposed material that was once either the casting or just the covering of the exposed portion of the ramp(s). On the Mohs hardness scale, which measures the ability of one mineral to scratch another, obsidian typically ranks around 5 to 5.5. Limestone, which is primarily composed of the mineral calcite, ranks around 3 on the Mohs scale. Although granite is harder than obsidian (at 7), obsidian offers an easier-to-work material than granite while being hard enough and slick enough (if wet? sand?) to support the significantly heavier granite blocks. When construction's complete, 'we' have a great-looking floor.
Been thinking more about this ... the Egyptian had rope-winders for their looms (at least by the Middle Kingdom). Why wouldn't they use the same concept to wind excess rope at the top? Alternatively, they could use the other end of the rope as a counterweight by having a second ramp on the other side of the pyramid (this would also explain each side indentation). Then, lifting a block to the level it's placed simply becomes a seesaw exercise?
I love you stuff! Im always telling people to come to your channel and watch your videos.
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This is astonishing stuff, very great handwork. ❤ Cheers from Switzerland
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So cool! You have the ankh connecting the ropes together, but you see the Egyptians usually holding the ankh by the hand. Can it also be for holding and pulling the rope by the hand?
I’ve seen various depictions of the ankh attached to cows/bulls, but yes in all cases the ankh was held in the hand.
Pillar DJED - as a granite segmented lifter with a rectangular or square piston. The evidence for this are the sarcophagi from Saqqara, evidence that an ancient civilization could build a granite actuator. The interior of these boxes is this evidence. This invention gave an impulse to the development of the ancient civilization
@@AnKub.Poland brilliant so you have made a working model? When can we see it
@@stevett225 ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxm1AcnYiSoS0V0cu7xdnonBPRMKbKW7Bi?si=fMAZr7Flbdbcbm8U
Fascinating discovery! I think you are on to something.
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If you haven’t please look into recent works on pyramid construction from ancient architects channel. It seems that the ideas you and he have are conflicting but both are plausible and backed by evidence and makes me wonder if both sets of ideas are part of the true picture. Have you considered the granite “proto pullies” and whether they could somehow improve efficiency of the djed pillar or if the use of internal ramps could mesh with the use of the pillars?
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Rope was a guarded secret at the time not a lot of people knew how to make it
First: of all i dont think they where building ramps on the outside. you would not get the corret angel of the hole structure. Look up inside ramps and redo the theory :)
second: if you extend the ropes from "ankh" and use gravity from the other side of the pyramid you can just have some baskets of small stones to fill it upp en the gravity to the rest.
when the basket are on the bottom of the pyramid on the other side. remover all stones and take them up again to the upper floor. Sand, water, can also be a counterweight.
but really nice theory :)
Can we get a video of a UA-camr making one of these to pull large stones into place ?
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This is believable and backed with actual modeling. It would be nice to see some computer generated simulations to see it all in action too.
Yes if there’s anybody out there that could help it would be appreciated 👍
this is a really nice theory. i'm looking forward to seeing more about it
@@srslywtfcl4p404 you will be able to read about it very soon in my book “Gods Can Torque”
@@stevett225 awesome. looking forward to it
Great concept… check out Houdin’s theory for how they lifted the granite blocks
I have checked his theory out the drawback is the speed the blocks must travel in the spiral ramp 🙁
@@stevett225 no, you did not respond to what I wrote. “how they lifted the GRANITE blocks.” Those were NOT taken up his spiral ramps. Check his method for lifting the granite blocks. I’m sure he is right…
Fascinating!
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Do you sell the ones you made from top to bottom the whole thing?
@@darren7218 engraved blocks?
@@stevett225 the Pillars and false door.
Want the Djed pillars with rope and door. Basins if they go with the pillars
It's ok probably should not have asked. Might not be able to work it like you. But I really think you have it figured out.
@@darren7218 leave it with me a week or so and I’ll see what I can do 👍
Great work!
Super cool theory and model!
Best theory i have ever seen
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Very interesting, 👍
Glad you think so!
So it is not an electric tower like tesla😂
Nice idea…if they had steel cables. There’s no rope they could make at that time that would be strong enough to hold and pull multi-ton blocks without breaking. Sorry. If they did make ropes that strong, the rope would have been so thick as to be un-workable on a Djed. Plus, even then they’d need multiple, incredibly thick, native ropes…impractical. Their Djed would have to be the size of the Empire State Building.
These people could sail around the world in boats with sails and rigging. They traded with countries worldwide for goods. Getting strong rope was the least of their problems.
You mentioned that there would be enormous amounts of torque at the bottom of the jet pillar. I'm wondering if they ever used that as the drill to drill the cylinder through different parts of the granite. The guy from uncharted x is talking about sonic drills and laser drills that the ancient Egyptians must have had some lost super advanced technology. But that's always been b*******, in my opinion, I knew they had. Some way of gaining a mechanical avantage so they could generate enough power to cut through granite and pour out perfect circles. I bet day use the jet pillar as a drill and a saw as well.
ua-cam.com/video/hT3f4pZMan4/v-deo.htmlsi=f9RAh3J2hEL4KnP2
This is the drill