5 DIRTY SECRETS BEHIND the ECODIESEL JEEP WRANGLER & GLADIATOR
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You should reach out to Brad from trail recon and see if his Jeep had the same issues with the DEF. I feel like I’ve heard him mention it before
I spoke with the deals, what needs to happen is Chrysler needs to have millions of complains and maybe a few lawsuits before they make corrections or changes. Your laws might be different than CA, but if I have to take into service for more than twice for the same thing and the Jeeps hits at the dealer for 30 days, then I can lemon law it.
I think it is cool that you are completely honest about the Jeep. Many online feel obligated to always be positive. Being fully transparent is appreciated!
Thanks! Just trying to keep it real. When you see something I like you'll know it's authentic as well.
Basically the d e f system sucks and don't go 4 wheeling
Nice vid 👍🏻. We have a 2020 EcoDiesel JL as well. I’m just S of u in Idaho. This summer I noticed the temp of the coolant creeping up high. I didn’t have the engine decrease power, but I didn’t like the temp increase.
An old trick my dad taught me worked: make sure the a/c is off and crank your heater to full hot, full fan with all vents open. Keep the Windows down, unless u like hanging out in an oven😁. In about 2 minutes , my coolant temp dropped about 10°F. It’s not the best feeling in the cab when it’s 100°F outside😆, but with the windows down, it’s tolerable (and just temporary). I only used the trick while climbing over a mountain pass.
It May be enough to let You keep up with the group, keeping the engine at full power, and keep the coolant temp down 👊🏻.
Using your heater core this way is like adding another radiator to expel extra heat while working the engine.
I tow a 5500lb camper behind my Gladiator Eco-Diesel sport lifted 3.5” and 37’s. Over the summer I was towing up a small grade in about 92/93 degree weather and all of a sudden I lost power for a couple mins. It genuinely scared me as I had zero idea what was wrong, but I got over the hill and started down and power came back. I never figured out why and it never happened again so I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it in a previous video. So now I know what to look for. Thanks for this video!
P.S. I’ve got just under 10k miles on mine and I’m about to go put my 4th Def fluid jug in. It tows WAY better than I would have expected with my setup but it just guzzles def fluid while doing it.
Lots of torque for sure on these.
Great Info. Just got our 2021 EcoDiesel Gladiator Rubicon a month ago. With only 800 miles on it, we set off on a two week vacation pulling a 19’ Aluminum Boat. Pulled a couple passes and was in the desert heat (85-95 degrees) all of the trip. Knocking on wood, had no problems at all. Didn’t have any idea on the cost of oil changes, glad we are a part of the dealer program and the 1st 5 of them are included. I subscribed and will keep following your updates and post if we run into any issues.
Thanks for the update on your end. I have just over 4100 miles on my 21 JLURD and the engine has been a true pleasure to drive through the Colorado mountains. I plan on adding 37" Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/Ts (once they arrive) to accompany the Metalcloak 3.5" lift. The MC lift handles the engine weight far better than the stock springs, which I feel like were far too soft. One issue I did have while off-roading near Ouray, CO was running the AC while on the trails in 4 Low. It caused the power steering to throw an error of decreased performance due to heat issues several times. Mind you, this was stock, except for the Falcon 2.1 steering stabilizer on soft.
Really informative and helpful, great work Casey. Good tip on the Pennzoil 5W-40, we'll be stocking up since our Jeep Wave credits are running out soon 🤙🤙
My diesel is supposed to arrive this week and I’m pretty excited. And yes, load on the engine effects DEF is consumed at a higher rate. I’d put it in the same category as gas. Always bring extra, never be unprepared. But once I get mine I’ll be starting my own channel and will be doing intervals reviews on the truck. And as someone who grew up around 1 ton diesels, oil changes have never been cheap. But damn son are they fun to drive! Happy trails, Casey!
I have the Eco diesel also. I appreciate your videos on the subject. I'm not 100% with it yet for the reasons you bring to light. Please keep up the good work.
Are you experiencing any of the issues Casey is mentioning here? Thanks
Casey, thanks for the up date. I purchased a 2021 JWURD and have about 2000 miles on it. I haven't done much off roading yet. Im still getting it ready to go out there. Im going to lead the running gear stock to get a feeling for what it can do before I start upgrading wheels and tires. I want to compare the handling as I make upgrades. I watch most if not all your videos. Keep up the good work.
I drive a Semi truck. On my truck I have an auxiliary switch that allows me to manually turn on the engine fan if I need to cool down the engine in the event of overheating conditions. It should be possible to do this on the jeep too. I love your videos Casey and I've watched you for while now. I'm also a fan of The Story Till Now. Thank you for sharing.
Great suggestion, and the Tazer JL Mini lets you do this.
First thank you Casey for your content-the worst thing about horror stories is when numerous people are telling them and you're not the only one that has these issues yet your content with so many others helped me decide to not get the ecodiesel, I settled with the 4cyl 2.0t and was somewhat hesitant but it's gives the right amount of torque and no gremlins thus far.
How is the 4 cyl treating you?
Hey Casey, great channel.
Just wanted to share with you
I had the same issue here in europe with my diesel 2018 jeep jlu regarding the def warnings. The issue was with the def tank and its sensors not working. Took 9 month to get a replacment tank from Italy but once changed i have no more def issues.
1st, thank you Casey for this super informative video. Curious, do you use any after market monitoring like Banks datamonster or Edge cts2? To keep an eye on regeneration cycles, miles between regens, watching exhaust temps/idling down for safe shut down etc? I'd be very interested in your feedback on that as I've often wondered how the ecodiesel handles regens when the Jeep is used at slow speeds over great distances off road.
I'm waiting for the release of the 2022 model year to place an order for my wife. We will also use it at times to travel long distances from South Carolina to CO, UT, AZ etc. Towing our Patriot Camper X3 (gross 3,500lbs). Strictly overlanding stuff, no rock crawling. Even though I'm a diesel guy, I've even looked at the 4xe as an option to avoid all the EPA mandated crap and the issues potential that comes with it. Thanks for your time
I have 9k miles on mine bone stock so far and zero issues.... I've been in 112 degree heat this summer in 4 lo and pulling grades out of tahoe which is very steep. Not even a degree change in that heat.... no def issues at all. Seems to burn about average from my experience with def fluid in other vehicles. Absolutely love it! Hope it doesn't have the problems you have had.. oh I have a banks tuner, which is the only upgrade so far since all parts are on back order.
It’s the mods that ruin the vehicle and make it where it won’t cool properly. Ask the car engineers, they will tell you that the vehicle was engineer to work best stock. Any mods the average Joe has little knowledge on how that is going to effect cooling, etc.
Outstanding review. We purchased an eco diesel about 3 months ago and have right at 5K miles on it. I’m been paying close attention to your videos outlining issues. I hope Jeep can address these and adopt a fix. So far though, we’ve been absolutely loving the eco diesel.
Curious how it'd treating you a year later?
He bought the first year which is a major no-no imho. 1st year owners are essential testers. They really shouldn’t have killed the EcoDiesel. The new full-float axle could’ve made this a towing/highway road trip monster. On Gladiator even more-so…
Thanks for another information video on the diesel! I am currently at 10k miles, or 16,100 km, and I have not had many of the issues that you have, likely due to being at a lot lower altitude in the Appalachians.
I keep a small container of def fluid in my Jeep, for peace of mind, when I am in remote locations. This is not only due the issues I have seen with def system but in case I were to puncture the def tank. I could repair with patch or steel putty, then put some def in to hold me over. I plan on putting a skid under it soon.
When available, I may buy the 392 hood with hydro-guide to get enough airflow to avoid overheating. I haven't decided between that or trying to fabricate my own snorkel, since no one seems to want to make one for diesel.
Good call with the extra def small container.
I’m only going to chime in on this for the readers that might be trying to decide if they want a EcoDiesel or the 3.6L. I have to I find Casey’s conclusion contradictory. If you intended on adventuring with your Jeep and want peace of mind, your way better off with the 3.6L. I run 35” M/T’s and have a 2 1/2” lift on my JTR and it’s a dream to drive on the highway. There is literally zero fuel economy benefit from the the EcoDiesel given the premium of the cost of the motor. The DEF fluid issues guys are having is a hassle I definitely don’t want when I’m in the middle of nowhere on a camping trip! And the last observation I’ve made about the Diesel is the added front end weight of the vehicle, if you like to play in the snow in the winter they tend to submarine from what I’ve seen.
From listening to all the issues you guys are having with the Diesels the only benefit I actually have heard is that it has great passing power with bigger tires one your way to the auto parts store to pick up more DEF fluid….just my two cent.
If you want a hassle free experience and want to save a nice chunk of change, get the 3.6L
Range is a huge benefit with the diesel . I have 40” tires and heavy oneton axles on my 21 JLURD . My Jk was getting 1/3 the range with the same mods .
For my benefit only, the ecodiesel meets my company requirements of 27 mpg on the hwy. For that reason alone I opted for the ecodiesel. I get $900 per month for vehicle allowance meeting that requirement.
I spend almost half of what Shaun does on fuel when highway driving to our destinations. Mind you in Canada, diesel is almost always cheaper at the pump as well. Just this weekend, we topped off, drove for about 4 hours, and topped off. Mine was $40, and Shauns 3.6L was $72. Im saving a ton on fuel on the highway.
@@Casey250 Diesel in the north is the same cost, your getting a touch better fuel econ. Most guys here have such terrible issues in -35/40c they exaust delete in the first year after it wont start all winter. Premium engine with premium costs.
@@Casey250 I agree with you on fuel savings. On our trip from SF Bay Area to Colorado and back, we all added up our fuel costs. We traveled as a group and always filled up at the same stations. The other rigs in my group spent $950+ on gas. My total was shy of $450 in diesel. Plus $20 to top off my DEF. huge savings.
I've got the eco diesel in a 2016 Grand Cherokee. I've had it back to the dealer 3 times now for EGR recall issues. Once, they kept my Jeep for a week in order to get parts from a dealer in Michigan. Plus, I went through the EPA issue where the fuel economy and performance actually decreased after the reprogramming. I haven't had the Def issue on hot days while climbing grades on the highway. And yes, the oil change is crazy expensive. My wife keeps complaining that the higher diesel cost and oil change cost negates the fuel efficiency gains.
I also have a 2019 Rubicon 2dr with the 3.6L and manual transmission. While the fuel efficiency sucks on the Rubicon, it's still a blast to drive and the oil change costs are 1/3 of the diesel. I'm happy with the 3.6L in the Rubicon and glad I didn't opt for the diesel.
Great Review and this why I even in Germany decided against a Diesel and bought a Jeep where you can fuel Super and Super e10 😉👍
Great informative video Casey this is what currently has me on the fence on what to do when the lease is up on my current 2020 3.6 Gladiator. I hear nothing but great things with the eco-diesel power/torque performance. Obviously minus the things you talked about. My worry is after warranty period is over and if one of these emissions system brakes. Wouldn't be too happy having to spend $$$ on emissions sensors or what not. Not really worried with oil change cost even after the 5 free oil changes. I own a V10 M5 so I know that goes.
Good info - I am looking at an eco-diesel now so will be using this in my negotiations.
The DEF tank has a sender just like a fuel tank. If you are rock climbing it thinks it's running low due to the steep angle. For the long haul up highway hills, it's best to manually pull the auto back a gear so the rev counter is around 3,000 rpm. The diesel will otherwise hold onto a gear without downshifting, placing more load on the engine and potential overheating, especially with taller tyres! Thanks
I've also heard there are different qualities of def out there? effecting these issues?
Good information in your video. Thanks. I’ve had a Wrangler with the 3.8l for 12 years and 182k. My only complaint is the lack of power. I’m planning to get a Gladiator within the next year and really hoping the eco diesel was the right engine choice for me. Glad to hear you would buy it again.
Its definitely fuel-efficient and plenty powerful when you load it up with gear and mods.
Glad I haven't had ANY of the issues you have had with your diesel Wrangler. I enjoy mine so much, I will be ordering a 2022 diesel JT soon as the new options drop.
I love my diesel Gladiator. The torque is amazing when offroad. Have had no issues with it.
This is hugely important information! Thank you for sharing this.
Very cool video. Just bought a 2020 EcoDiesel Unlimited Wrangler. Love it. I'm strictly on road so far and found the same regarding the DEF levels. All over the map.
Please keep showing your Wrangler/Rubicon ecodiesel in your videos, the good and the bad. I’m the only guy for a couple hundred miles that has a ecodiesel Wrangler Willy’s edition 3.0L Turbo. You’re such a great source. You’ve helped me learn about my Jeep make decisions on what I’m doing/going to do with mine.
I really appreciate you sharing your experiences and knowledge with all of out here on UA-cam.
I would recommend using amsoil for the oil, also engine coolant and transmission, differentials as well. This stuff makes everything silky smooth.
Thanks for all the info you provide keep the videos coming. I have a 2021 Rubicon diesel with 5k miles on it only issue I’ve had was the def injector that connects into the exhaust got taken out by a truck tire on the expressway.
Full belly skids are a MUST for the diesels. The stock rubicon “skid plates” don’t cover the exhaust components at all.
I haven’t had the DEF reporting issue, you and I got our JLRUDs around the same time. But like you, I am using more DEF than I expected, about 2x more than I expected.
Haven’t been in the altitudes you’ve been, but never had an engine heat issue and I book over long hauls 75 mph, easy from NY to PA or NY to ME (similar build, 37s, full beadlocks, steel bumpers, fully belly pan, rhino-rack backbone and pioneer platform). When crawling through rock gardens, I get a high steering fluid temp warning every time. I use my Tazer JL Mini to turn on cool-down mode to gulp air into the engine bay and that fixes it.
My biggest PITA isn’t a diesel issue, my JLRUD keeps throwing traction control/ACC errors. I think I have a bad wheel speed sensor. I need to take it in. I know the JKs were notorious for this problem.
You should look into the apex performance power steering cooler. I had the power steering warning crawling with stock tires, installed the cooler and have no issues with my 37s.
@@tomsimard9432 thanks! are you running a diesel JL? Want to make sure it works with them first. Northridge4x4’s site shows it as not fitting, but sometimes that’s just because they haven’t update the site.
Will probably have to find a new location for the manifold, itself. Not sure if that will fit with my aftermarket bumper and winch.
@@jeckart3d I have a warn zeon winch with the factory steel bumper. It is a tight fit and you have to play Tetris to get the lines to align. It also requires drilling a couple holes in the frame. It is like anything else on a jeep, your combination of parts may have different results. I think the biggest improvement is the additional fluid and surface area because I wouldn't anticipate much airflow.
@@tomsimard9432 very helpful, Tom. Thanks! I have a warn winch, too but aftermarket steel bumper. Along with fitment, I also know the diesels have a bunch of systematic differences to their gas and electric counterparts. As long as this system is compatible-I can figure out the fitment. Thanks again!
I have a 21' ecodiesel gladiator and love it. Plan to leave it mostly stock and hopefully I don't have any of the problems the early one's had. It's been almost 2 years since the gen 3 came out in the Ram. Think they have revised them a bit.
This is a really nice video exposing all of the issues you have encountered during the time you own it.
I am seriously thinking about trading my 2020 ram 1500 ecodiesel for the gladiator at this point .
Thank you in advance
Great video! I am considering a 2022 Wrangler diesel. I hope they fix some of these issues by then.
Experienced the same issue of power and speed reduction due to increased engine temperature.. Outside air temperature was 90 F while driving I-80 eastbound in Nevada. Climbing a long uphill grade at highway speed (70 MPH) the vehicle suddenly reduced power and limited speed.
AZ to Vegas and back with my stock diesel during the last heat wave we had, no temp issues. Kept an eye on them after watching your last video. I do sometimes have a rack and roof top tent that adds a ton of drag and plan on pulling a small camping trailer, so I am a bit concerned.
Loved the torque in the hills, so much better than my 2015 Rubicon on the highway and trails. Would by another diesel in a heart beat.
Ya it rips on the highway when running right.
I've been using Amsoil Signature diesel oil with great lab analyses from Blackstone. I also order the Wix USA made oil filter for my 2016 Ram, 2nd gen diesel. I change at 10,000 miles. I now have 128K after putting it into service at 700 miles.
I have a 2020 Gladiator and thought I would get a new one with a diesel but after watching this I’m going to keep what I have , thank you for sharing this 👍
Good info. I will say I pulled my boat (2500lbs) 360ish miles one way across the state of Virginia from the mountains to the Chesapeake Bay there’s two fairly large mountains with long hauls. I was using a 2021 stock jeep wrangler Sahara with the eco diesel and I didn’t have any over heating problems so far but I’ll keep a Close eye on it. This trip is a fairly common trip I do throughout the summer and fall.
A lot of my jeep friends were super excited that jeep was FINALLY going to provide a stock diesel option. Only problem, jeep did it WAY too late. If they would have done it in 07 or earlier, it would have been awesome. Unfortunately, with a diesel these days, the EPA has mandated a slew of changes since 08 that chokes the engine and inevitably causes the buyer money out of their pocket. I have a 2015 ford 6.7l diesel. The problem of having to fill the DEF is the least of worries, quite frankly. Not only does it have the filter that requires hard running for long times to clean, If you don't run the vehicle like that, you'll end up having to replace the filter which is 4-6k. Fast forward to last year when I saw my first jeep diesel vid. Not only did they add that silly front axle separator to save a few MPG, there is a ton of wiring and sensors that are just waiting to get ruined or dirty on the trail and fail. Not to mention the actual DPF and DEF tank to break, hit, and ruin. After seeing that and the lackluster HP/TQ that the diesel provides, I would say get a gasser and install a super charger or get the hemi. Diesels, unless you're hauling horses or campers, are pretty much a pass these days.
This reviewer's take on this diesel is 100% different from what you say. I don't believe you actually watched it or listened to the end question
Thanks for this review! Really sure opening.
thanks, temperature concerns hopefully get addressed by Jeep!
Nice that you would buy it again. Similar question is would you keep it when the warranty runs out?
Hard to say. I am already reaching the limits of what I can still warranty as it is lol.
Thanks for this review...been looking at the Jeep Ecodiesel and Lexus GX460 as a replacement for my 07 Wrangler.
Thank you for sharing about your ecodiesel
Great video, Casey! I love your channel :)
Thanks so much!
10k miles and happy with my eco diesel. Most of my off-road adventures are in western Colorado at altitude. I've got a lift, 35s, and some other common modifications. No roof top tent and other extra stuff bolted to my rig. Mine is not a daily driver and will probably delete emissions after the warranty expires. Nothings perfect but I do feel the diesel hits the sweet spot for me.
I think with a delete this is the best platform in a Wrangler ever.
I want to do the delete on my 2020. It is out of warranty. I filled up the DEF 3 weeks ago and could not put anymore in and the gauge told me I was 3/4 full... No warranty .
I haven’t seen the limp mode issue while climbing a steep grade and I have climbed up steep grades in 100 deg (f) weather while full loaded out. Although, when my 2021 eco diesel JLUR had about 2k miles, it did go into limp mode randomly on the highway on a trip to Colorado (relatively flat section); maybe 4 different times in one day. During that nights camp, I disconnected the battery for about half hour, then hooked it back up. Shortly after that, the uConnect stereo prompted me to do a firmware upgrade (not sure if that was part of the fix) and 1k miles later I’ve had no issues. As far as DEF, I’m consuming 2.5 gallons every 2k miles-ish. No where near what I expected to go thru. But so far, I love my eco diesel. Lots of power and great fuel mileage compared to what I was getting in my 2015 JKUR (13mpg vs 22mpg).
I'm in Colorado Springs and ordered a JLU Eco diesel. Should be here end of October. Went with the JLU Sport Altitude because I like to build stuff out. Glad to hear it does well in the mountains here. I have a 2017 JKU manual 6 speed that I will miss, but i really wanted the diesel. I hit you with a sub just encase i need to pick your brain after my new Jeep gets here.
@@chickenpermission9969 You were able to order a 2021 JKU this late? I thought the 2022s will be coming out soon
@@alfa8822 No, I have a JKU, I ordered a EcoDiesel JLU. Not sure what model year they will put on it.
@@chickenpermission9969 the 8 speed is great. I don’t miss manuals at all. Literally my first auto vehicle I’ve bought since been driving 16 years. Torque converters multiply and preload driveline without damage.
@@chickenpermission9969 Sorry I meant a JLU. You were able to order a 2021 JLU eco diesel? I'm waiting to order a 2022 JLU eco diesel but as far as I know they aren't taking orders yet.
the "derating" and overheating you mention is due to the emissions systems you mentioned earlier in the video. You simply cant have a healthy functioning diesel with emissions attached. Modern emission requirements are too tight for any diesel system and is the major flaw of EGT temps and intake pressures. In order to truly open up the eco diesel it needs a DPF, EGR delete with exhaust and intake mods followed up by a tune.
Hi, I'm wondering if you monitor EGT? Is it possible you're exceeding temps there when climbing hills?
Good vid! Been wondering what was happening with your Jeep.
Few things I'd like to point out to people debating on getting an ecodiesel in general. Having owned a 17 ram. Under 25,000 miles my exhaust and all emissions components (fell off). It ran extremely clean. The tune i had In it produced almost zero soot no matter how much load you gave it. The EPA killed almost all options to do this in today's time 2021. Now knowing the constant issues this engine has been plagued with. EGR failures causing engine fires. Chrysler issiuing recalls on factory tune causing a new flash to be installed basically killing any power the engine may have made before. Severe turbo lag from new recall. Throwing connecting rods thru the block for no reason. Crank position sensor failure. No big deal rite? Wrong. Step 1 pull transmission. They glue the magnets onto a plastic tone ring which is behind the flywheel. And yes they do fail more then it should. It happened to me. Had to pull transmission to change part. Sensors 500 bucks us and tone ring is 100 or so. Plus labor. Cp4 failures from low sulfur fuel ( has low lubricity ). Don't put def in the fuel system. You will need to change everything from it tank pump to the last injector in the engine. Can range over 10k in labor and parts. And warranty won't cover it. It's a user error. Modern diesels aren't worth it to me unless heavy hauling and have a warranty.
Just purchased a 2021 Rubicon JL 3.0 Diesel and your info this video played a part in the purchase. Lots of good points especially the last comment lol
Curious, I just bought 2021 jeep exciting diesel gladiator. When u bought urs, was jeep offering u the heavy duty cooling system?
Excellent vid, thank you
Very interesting video thanks for sharing
I have the 21 JT Rubicon eco diesel with about 4,000 mikes. Labor Day weekend, I did have the engine get warm as well crawling in the passes of Colorado in the Ouray/Silverton areas. The power steering light came on. We pulled over one time knowing that we still had plenty of trail ahead at low speed. I parked into the wind and opened the hood in 60 degree weather. It cooled down in about 10-15 minutes. Second time a day or two later, we had open trails ahead and picked up the pace and the light went away. Still in love with it, but definitely looking to reduce the heat under the hood.
I did over heat the power steering once as well. I mention it in one of my recent videos in the Rocky Mountains.
I've been driving trucks since the 1970s and still to this day. Way back before computers got bolted on to trucks, we had mechanical fuel injection. Meaning, you could actually adjust each injector with a wrench to give your engine more power. This was on a 1976 Mack truck I nicknamed "Flykiller" because of all the black smoke that poured out of the exhaust stack - not to mention all the 10W40 oil it burned. Oh yeah, and no EGR hoses or anything. Any crankcase smoke was vented directly below the engine from the blowby pipe. Polluting yes, but reliable beyond your wildest dreams. Many years later came came DPF filters. First generation DPFs were terrible. They were forever clogging up going from Stage 1 - 2 - 3 - and finally limp mode Stage 4. At this point, your only recourse is to bring the vehicle back to the dealership were they have a special machine to unclog what looks like a coffee can which a bunch of straws inside. I'm not so sure how long your going to keep your Eco-Diesel after the warranty runs out, but it's going to cost you an arm and a leg to keep that thing mobile. Diesel engines are terrific - it's just all the extra, modern junk around it that's the problem.
Waiting for the right rock to knock a few things off ;)
So I have a 2021 Wrangler Rubicon Eco Diesel and of your 5 points the one that bothers me the most is the heat issue climbing mountain passes. I live in Arizona and pull a camper (I am on 37’s with a 2” lift and added a lot of weight to my Jeep as well). The problem I have is not coolant temps although they do climb but rather oil temp. I have not had the Jeep reduce performance because of heat because as soon as I see 260 oil temp I back off on the throttle. So by going 50mph up a 7% grade with ambient temps over 90 degrees I can get the oil temp back to 255 or lower and 50mph is an ok speed to pull a camper up a decent grade. I’ve never had a problem going up grades without the camper. My Jeep weights 5650 without passengers or gear just to give you an idea on weight. I do a lot of off roading with my Jeep as well. I have none of the other concerns or issues you mentioned tho. In the States I can get the Euro spec oil and oil filter for around $100 total and can change the oil myself so oil changes are not a concern (I am getting free ones now tho). I love the Eco Diesel and absolutely would buy it again. Love your videos. Keep it up!
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Glad you made this comment. I just ordered the '22 diesel and I live in the Phoenix area. This video scared the crap out of me. I literally went from being super excited to instantly having buyer's remorse. I can sleep a little better now haha. Thanks
I had a Ram 1500 with an ecodiesel and derated so much, in Arizona, I got rid of it. I tried adding a Banks programmer, still did it.
Have you had issues with the DEF freezing? We did once.
“But, we just can’t talk about it”…😂😂🤣 Best video outro ever! BTW - transfer case swaps are EPA approved….wear that diesel out and get a 392.
I liked that too "just can't talk about it" 👍🤟👀
I think he was referencing deleting.
@@motardforlife2197 deleting what parts though? I think deleting the DEF related stuff is tied to way too many sensors to be worth trying and without getting a CEL. A blocking plate for the EGR seems pretty simple though but probably a computer sensor for that too. Just seems if someone gets a new diesel they bite the bullet, can't believe they wouldn't had known about all this emission crap before purchasing.
@@BennyTygohome The entire emissions system ;)
Currently dealing with my own slightly different issues right now. Fuel injectors were pumping too much fuel and clogging my DPF. Gave me CEL, limp mode, and service emission system warning. Its been with the dealer for 30 days now waiting for new injectors, and fuel lines! Unsure if I'm going to have it swapped for a gas model yet.
I have a '21 JLUR ED. I tow a 1,500 lb. teardrop camper and overheated climbing from 9,000 to 11,000 ft. on stock wheels/ tires in July on Colorado. I tried all sorts of things to get to the top, but slamming it to the floor and only being able to go 40 mph was ridiculous. Frustrating for sure.
Thanks for the oil recommendation! I only have 1 freebie oil change left on the Jeep Wave program. lol
Try tuning it lol. You can get tunes for these. I use fuel saving tablets. They improve combustion, performance, made engine quiter, and have less regens.
Thanks for the info
Do you have to add any oil in between oil changes and curious on how many Kilometer intervals before you change your oil. Thanks!
I change it when the gauge says to. Haven't noticed much oil burn off.
Just a heads up. Most of the harnesses connections in the ecodiesels are the weak point. The techs aren't trained how to diagnose them so they throw parts at it. I've had to disconnect, reconnect, and wire tie most connectors in the main harness on my Ram. Cleaning soot from your MAP sensor is a maintenance item unless you tune it. I use GreenDiesel tuning in my Ram.
I have a 2020 willy’s diesel and had the same thing happen regarding the def tank. I had 1/2 a tank showing and cranked it and it gave me the 500 mile message.. not long after it corrected itself and went away. I just got back from a trip from TN to OR and it was during a really hot time in OR (around 90F-95F). I didn’t have any issues with overheating and i was towing a m416 trailer. Wonder if a snorkel would help it get more air. When i was looking before no one had one for the diesel yet. Perhaps that will change. I’m curious if you have noticed in your manual regarding the oil filter. It shows replacing the oil filter every other oil change. I was surprised of this and due to the jeep wave program i haven’t considered NOT replacing but its a thought. Also, the mileage between oil changes is i think 9000 miles rather than 3-5k so there are fewer changes even though when you have them they are higher. Thoughts on changing filter each time or no? And i agree with you that the ultimate fix is down the road… about 70k down the road for me..
I've never changed oil and not changed the filter at the same time. Change both for each oil change.
@@4x4_travel right me either.. just saying that is what the manual says.. I was surprised
Great review of your jeep with the diesel.
Thanks for your insight! Did you have to adjust anything to add your 37's?
Lifted it
I love my 2018 JGC EcoDiesel, haven't let any of these caveats bother me. Cheers!
Casey - what are your thoughts on the 2021 and newer change in grill (they have the larger holes). Is it because they wanted to use the same design used in the JT so they could add a camera or that the diesel needed more air flow?
Long time follower as I also own a 2020 and just wanted to see if you had a comment. Thanks
It has nothing to do with the cooling. Cooling issue exists even with the inserts completely removed.
For peace of mind on a long off road trip and knowing you have the DEF km report issue of less Km then expected, do you take a jug of DEF with you like one would gas as a per caution of not running out of it ?
I have and haul with my Libby crd. Maybe this might help I had issues with Mtn climbing 3 things: 1 - egr to manifold pipe had a crack. 2 - 4 glo plugs bad with 3 rockers replace. 3 - air flow sensor harness bad. 98% fixed and no more over heating. Now I can pass semis and drive in Tx heat, haha with ac on too. ~Christine
Casey, I own a 2021 JKURD. Its equipped with an aev 2.5, aev beadlocks, and 37" nitto ridge grapplers. I do feel like the EcoDiesel is ok with the stock 3.73, but I feel like it lugs in 8th gear, and has a little less to be desired.
I was planning on 4.10 gears, but 2K for such a small difference isnt a good investment. The gear calculator shows that a 4.2 ratio will being it back to stock, but with the added rolling mass and heavier items, I believe a 4.56 will be ideal. I wish there was a 4.30 option but nobody makes a 4.30 for the JL 210mm front axle.
What has kept you from regearing and if you did regear, what is the ratio you will likely run?
The Epic Adventure Outfitters blue gladiator has 4.56 gears and yes it will hold 8th gear a little better, I don't find it to be a problem. Fuel economy on the trips we have been on is near identical. So for the money to regear, its low on my list of things to buy.
I have a 2021 JLUS and love the eco diesel in it! Stock tires it is great for fuel economy. Did a Calgary to Golden then back through Radium to Calgary 900 kilometers at an average of 7.7 liters per 100 kilometers. Just under 8k on it and half a tank of def left in it. Anyone know how many liters the def tanks are on these? And yes the Penzoil is the way to go not the dealerships oil. Canadian Tire or Walmart here in Calgary seem to be the cheapest place to find it often on sale at 20 to 25$ Canadian a jug of 5 liters which I believe you need 9 liters for these engines so 2 jugs will do. Before buying the diesel I did drive all models from the 2.0 turbo, the 3.6 gas and the 2.0 hybrid. I loved the diesel 3.0 the best 👌. And the 1.20 for diesel verses the 1.34 for gas right now is a plus. Had issues with the Uconnect on it many times but nothing else so far 🙏.
And farm diesel is consistently cheaper for a go-fer vehicle
I have no issues. My friend in New Mexico has Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Diesel. She is always operating at an altitude of 8000 ft. Near the Sandia Mountains, she had cooling issue 2 times this summer. She was going thru a REGEN phase.
I suggested to her to purchase the Mojave/ or the 392 hood. This will help with moving a lot more heat from underneath the hood.
Also suggested cutting out some of the plastic that are in the fenders. Easier for the hot air to escape.
At the end of the Day she went with the Mojave hood. Had it painted to jeep color and it actually looks sharp. tough looking and better looking. and ZERO ISSUES with limp mode or temperature rising.
Depending on how you were loaded down, the the cooling issue could be that you were driving so fast up those grades. The auto industry sizes the radiator and fan based on going 45 mph up a 13 mile long, ~6% continuous grade in Arizona at 38°C, fully loaded to GCW with a trailer. So if you were carrying a lot and trying to push ~80mph up a steeper grade you probably were de-rated. If you don't have the heavy duty fan from the tow package it's not a surprise at all. Also, 118°C is a de-rated temperature for most vehicles because that's the point where the coolant starts to break down.
Also, the DEF level issue could be from driving at an extreme angle for a really long time, or if you parked and idled on an angle for a long time. They put some heavy filtering on the level signal from the DEF tanks and it doesn't update quickly like a fuel tank does.
Have you changed your fuel filter or filters? My power stroke has 2 fuel filters that I change every second oil change as well…I wonder if an intake and exhaust would make more flow and cool down the motor on those hot travel days?
I haven't changed the fuel filters yet. I'm cautious playing with air filters as the Jeep one is designed to keep water out. On the exhaust side, nothing would change with the emissions components in the way.
I've towed up to 7,000 lbs so far with my EcoDiesel no heat issues it didn't even move any pressures or temps during summer but max elevation was 4,000 ft on that trip and no heavy grades. Also 16.8 to 17.7 MPG
The diesel has more drawbacks then advantages. The 3.6l has gotten jeeps everywhere the driver tries to take it. You’re real money will start to come when the warranty is up. To each his own though! I enjoy seeing your build process and your journey with the eco diesel!
Diesel is better than 3.6 in every way I would never go back
I love the idea of a diesel but not a modern one with all the sensors....irregardless of how hard I off road I have experience to many issues with my colorado diesel 2.8 duramax and it just wasn't worth it. The wait alone (mind you pre cv19) was 3 weeks no thank you. Then you have limp mode when these issues happens.
@@justthisguy1948 glad you enjoy it. If it didn’t have all the emissions junk on it, id have one to.
The diesel mechanic in me says buy the gas engine.
@@RiverJunkie too funny, You have the exact same name as my father. I've never seen anybody else with that name
Would you recommend this engine for a 1986 CJ 7 or what would you recommend
Can’t wait to found out the fix!!!!
Coming from a truck driver, with diesel motors TQ doesn’t get you up the hill HP does, TQ just gets you going. So that explains why the 3.6 is passing you up hills. Also def and diesels don’t like cold temperatures, make sure if it’s going to be in the low teens (inFahrenheit) or single digits to use anti gel so the diesel doesn’t gel up. If your idling or going at low speeds you will have more def use than if your going down the highway.
Great feedback! I've had a JK, JKU & Gladiator all with the 3.6 but now have a 2020 Colorado ZR2 Diesel. The diesel is incredibly fuel efficient and the oil changes are reasonable when I do them myself and get the GM specific Dexos 2 full synthetic oil. I have not experienced and DEF mileage rating issues as you describe. I have though had emissions sensor issues 2x, dealer fix but I am always concerned about all of the sensors under the truck as it sees a lot of trail and gravel road time. How are your fuel filters doing? Lastly, great videos you and your crew put out!! Thanks.
How do you like the Colorado compared to the Gladiator?? Would you do it again? Or go with the Diesel Gladiator?
@@rdspice2 Since making this post my experiences changed for the worse with the diesel, the Duramax ended up with non stop DEF system issues making it completely unreliable after a total of 6 weeks in the shop. I am back in a Gladiator, this time a Mojave 3.6 again. No more diesel for me.
@@tomtommy2227 oh no! So sorry to hear that. Either way, I would be deleting it. I did have a ‘16 gas Colorado that I loved but wasn’t 4WD and was just an extended cab so wasn’t my forever truck. I loved it! I feel the Diesel would be great. I’m thinking the Gladiator can be used for more and am leaning more that way.
I can attest to the def levels. I went off road with just under half a tank, did about 25 miles up and down a mountain, almost ran completely out. Don’t know how the first half lasted three thousand miles.
Thank you for sharing. The more I research all the engine options for a Jeep I plan to order.. the more I seem to come back to the 3.6.
I’d you know you can delete the def and EGR system from your keep. I did mine
Hey man do you have to have that def stuff replaced? I have a 2020 3L as well and that just popped up
Have you re-geared for the 37s? I wonder if that would help reduce the load put on the motor and help prevent overheating
No but the gladiator with us was, and had the same issue
I was thinking of buying a 2015 Jeep Cherokee from Carmax in the lower 48 with only 33,000 miles on it (about 53000 km). The car has an open recall for the high pressure fuel pump which Jeep currently has no fix for. Spent about 20 minutes talking to the service adviser at my local Jeep dealer as this too, is an eco diesel. What that means is these diesels are fitted with an EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) system which, as the name implies, recirculates exhaust (soot). Over time this clogs the EGR system and the engine (like one would expect). And causes fuel system failures and all the rest detailed in your video. The diesel exhaust fluid is added nearer the tailpipe in the exhaust and what ever gases are left are burned by a spark plug there. Turning the soot into ash which eventually still blocks off the exhaust system and if left uncorrected, will destroy the diesel engine, eventually.
One need only recall that older diesels in tractor trailers and farm equipment lasted for several millions of miles instead of a 100-150,000 miles before needing major "repairs".
In the states the Supreme Court has just ruled that the EPA does not have the authority to make or enforce law. So, bearing in mind this is a $6-8K problem to "fix" many, including myself, have opted for an EGR delete where the soot is not recirculated back into the engine and goes still to the diesel particulate filter (think CAT). Some folks are just doing straight pipes. And the local DMV in my state has decided to give emissions exemptions to ALL diesels based on the Supreme Court ruling (beginning November 1, 2022) and the fact that the expense of near zero emission for diesel is exorbitant and ultimately, doesn't "fix" the problem. It is an untenable system. It does not work.
The emissions laws in the EU are much more realistic and that is why diesels remain popular in Europe.
For now in North America we are stuck with a dominant political party in California that doesn't care or understand the basic chemical laws of carbon emissions and somehow has managed to dictate their psychotic view of reality to the whole of North America.
A brief look at recent emissions/ green history bears this charge out. In about 2000 there was low sulpher diesel at about 115 ppm. Then in 2010 came ultra low sulpher diesel at 15 ppm. In 2015 or so we saw the first signs that the new stricter standards were not working when VW corporation was exposed commiting fraud with the EPA (since 2009) rather than try to force diesels to be ultraclean with EGRs, DEF, DPFs, burn offs of soot and all the rest. They were fined heavily and withdrew diesels from North America entirely.
Why? Because the two of the three biggest things about diesels that people love about diesels have been taken away by these ludicrous laws. Reliability and longevity. You still have torque, occasionally if the thing is running correctly. Which is only when they are very new and not choking on their own soot.
At this point there is only one solution. Get rid of non-elected organizations mandating unrealistic "solutions" to created "problems" by understanding most of us have to balance the need for clean air with realistic monetary expenditures out here in the real world.
Vote those bums out and vote your self in by running for office. Clean at "any cost" only works for elites like Elon Musk and the IT crowd. About 60% of the population of the United States lives on around $40 K US for a family of four. They're having trouble paying for basics let alone an $8,000 annual "repair" on their tractor, semi or ford F350. So, faced with that reality people are moving from places like California and Washington to states where it is no longer illegal to modify their diesels back to something around 2010, That's the fiscal reality that VW realized. And so are we down here in North Carolina. It is time to say "no".
Casey, I saw the original video when you had the over-heat issue. It appears that Jeep has undercooled their diesels for high workload environments. Maybe it is time for an external oil cooler, power steering cooler, and/other aux cooling ? Or maybe it is just as simple as a change of the engine thermostat to a lower value for summer or hi-temp environs ? GL and please keep Casey-250 nation updated.
I know a few people working on an oil cooler. That i feel would make the biggest difference. The ecodiesel in the jeeps is the same as the ram, but detuned for less power because of cooling issues.
@@Casey250 It's just that the Jeep does not have the engine room or grille needed to support the ED. Jeep should have put a different grille in it with a larger front fascia. The Ram has no overheating issues. I know that the 2024 Jeep has a new grille with more airflow. Maybe replace yours with it?
Great vidoe. I just got the loss of power from the "Electronic Trottle Control" failure and engine light goes on. My Jeep went into limp mode as well. My question, would a dirty air filter cause this problem to happen? Let me know your thoughts?
I had a fresh filter in my last trip and it did it towing a trailer
Had the ecodiesel ram and had some of the same experiences like costly oil changes, but loved the towing capacity ~>
Thank you for a great video. I have 2021 3.6 so no this kind of problems. But, I had 2017 Jaguar F-Pace 2.0 Diesel with similar problems. Next step for you, Paul , TrailRecon and others...... 392! Good luck trading in!
I need something bigger and badder then a 392.
I have over 13grand on my jt ecodiesel. No a single issue. I use it and have similar stuff you have in California. I love mine. I have 37 tires too.
The trails you have done how do you think the F-150 Tremor would do?
Looking at getting either a Rubicon ecodiesel or the Tremor. I like both of them for different reasons.
I really like the 2021 Tremor for the interior, space, plus the cooled seats for hot summer days and the 4wd auto. I think the Tremor would be the happy medium and if it wasnt so big that is what i would get.
I like the Rubicon for ease of parking in downtown areas incluin underground parking. Off road capability even though I most likely won't do any really hard core, but would like to have more capability then needed as to less likely getting stuck. Also the great gas mileage.
I'm curious if you're still on the stock 3.73 gears. After driving a JTR gas and diesel, the diesel just put more of a smile on my face driving (I'm a big truck really I am).. So we ordered a Diesel Rubicon and have been happy with it. It makes the 2500ft climb (from 5k to 7.5k) from civilization to our house pretty effortlessly.
I don't remember what you have for a front bumper but I was wondering if by adding a winch or off road lights might be adding to the overheating problem you have had. I have a gladiator diesel on order and I'm wondering if adding any bumper mods might be causing the overheating issue as I would like to avoid that if possible.
OEM bumper with a winch mounted in it as designed.
@@Casey250 thanks for the reply. You definitely are not the only one with this problem there is plenty of talk on the forums. I would like to add a aftermarket bumper and some off road lights but don't want to restrict the airflow and cause a bigger problem.
Well done. Thank You
Thanks for sharing
Your welcome.