As a former owner of a deleted ecodiesel, it was absolutely awesome. 7l/100 in a full size rig. Adds about 60hp and 60 ft/lb. But, when I went to sell it, it really bit my in the butt. Dealers won't touch it. And 99 percent of the people in the market don't understand what it is. Lucky for me and the buyer they understood what they were buying. Great video casey.
How much MPG did you pick up? I wouldn't mind doing a DEF delete. Not to roll coal (hate that dumb shit), but I want better MPG, and hey extra power is a nice side effect.
@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 i saw about 5 mpg combined. More on the hwy. No more regens or def purchases. And it's great to save the motor. But again, literally no dealership would touch it here. And some shops wouldn't work on it.
How did you go about getting the delete done ?? I have no intention of ever selling my jeep until it's absolutely worthless and most likely worth more in a scrap yard and if I can pull the def system put and get a bigger tank for fuel I feel like it's a win win in my book
Hi Casey ... thanks for your videos it helps when others share theirs experience. As a truck driver and owner of a Jeep gladiator ecodiesel I’ve learned to buy my def at truck stops instead of a jug at a parts store or local retailer, it’s cheaper when you buy bulk and fresh ( at at truckstop ) just pull into the truck fuel island and fill your def up just like you would your diesel fueling. For those who are not familiar with DEF it goes bad after a certain period of time, jugs get fill at the factory then ship to a warehouse and then ship to a retailer were it might sit for a while meanwhile at at truckstop it get replenish ( bulk ) every 2 to 6 days. Well that’s providing you have a truck stop close from you’re home or usual route. Instead of paying 14 to 18 ( US dollars) per jug it would be about 8 ( US dollars ) per the same amount 2.5 gallons. My gladiator it’s to new it only has so far 8000 miles on it but I Learned so much with my 18 wheeler that I know how to prevent this emissions problems. It’s regular maintenance, clear the def doser they get plugged with carbon and that prevents the doser from injecting the proper amount and at time instead of spraying they drip.... a kind of preventive maintenance it is to remove the doser ( if you are handy with tools ) and inspect it most time they can be cleaned ( scape the carbon out of the tip ) and if you see any anomalies replace it, same thing goes for the NoX sensors. I know that 18 wheelers are bigger and different than a regular small pick up but it’s the same principle...some of the new Diesel engines even have a DEF filter and most of the times it gets neglected and that becomes a big problem latter. So far I’m super happy with my ecodiesel Gladiator. Mods that I’ve done so far: 6.5 evo lift kit stage 4 with coilover on the front, 40x13.5 R17 tires, regear to 4.88 with ARB air lockers, front and rear steel bumpers and DV8 steep/ slider. My Gladiator is the high Altitude so the interior has a lot of upgrades from factory . Hope my comments on DEF helps someone. Cheers and happy trails !
I have a 2021 wrangler eco diesel and have experienced limp mode numerous times when climbing grades in hot weather. I run the tazer but also monitor exhaust temps, VGT position, DPF percentage, etc with an xgauge. I determined that the cause of my limp mode was the full skid plates under the engine. when exhaust temps would get too high, the engine started dumping boost without ever changing the VGT position. I know you run metal cloak, I run the Rock Hard steel, and it traps an immense amount of heat from the exhaust. as soon as I removed the skids exhaust temps dropped I couldn't get it to go into limp mode again. running 37's as well.
Wait…. Hahaha😅 That’s funny, and makes sense. I was like, how the heck are these guys managing to get an excellent diesel engine too hot? Literally nobody else except Jeep guys will find a way to break something.
I have a 2014 Grand cherokee ecodiesel. I am at almost 200k miles. I bought it as a lemon that was repurchased by jeep with a major exhaust system issue. I get 1 jug of DEF per oil change (3500 miles). I do get around 24mpg and with a 26 gallon tank.. i can get very close to 610 miles per fill up
I've always said, you never buy a newly designed vehicle the first year it comes out... the Eco Diesel and the Bronco for example. Everything is new, so they really don't know how it is over time. One I always use is, "the door handles are probably new and may fall apart." Get the second year after they've worked out the bugs of the first year.
Gen 1 and 2 EcoDiesel In the Ram pick up trucks have their fair share of problems, in fact many. The GEN 3 EcoDiesel currently in the Wrangler was introduced introduced into the ram 1500 pick up truck several years before being introduced into the Wrangler so it was proven. That's why I didn't hesitate in 2020 to purchase mine. 0 issues to date. 28k miles.
I got a 21 Ecodiesel Gladiator exactly a year ago. Up here in Alaska- I had a couple of episodes with the DEF fluid when it got cold. DEF fluid freezes at about 12f. We can go a couple of weeks (or more) below that. Had to take it to the dealer a couple of times for computer updates. However in the summers up here the Ecodiesel shines. Traveling through mountain passes I get 24 mpg plus going to the cabin.
@@gateofdivine582 - still have my Ecodiesel Gladiator. No troubles with the DEF system this past winter. I tow a camper trailer up through a mountain pass. With the added torque it’s like I have nothing behind me going up through the pass. Still get almost 20 mpg with the trailer behind me.
Another Alaskan with an Ecodiesel. I live on the Kenai Peninsula and regularly get 28+ MPG going to Los Anchorage. Not using much DEF and no issues other than two factory recalls
I had a metal fabricator cut the DEF tank extend it about 4 inches and he also changed the pick up tube so it's always getting fluid. I also had a small electric fan installed and wedged in place with a toggle switch to keep it extra cool in the summer.
Weird, I had zero issues with de-rating, and I've towed a good bit over the "5, 500" tow rating (heat restricted) and I've towed up into the mountains. Zero issues, temperatures nor pressures moved. It's an excellent tow vehicle.
Good honest review Casey, very appreciated. I'm quite happy with my 2021 Gladiator diesel. DEF consumption is quite normal and no d-rating issues. Good luck with your 392 Wrangler.
I'm 4 years in and I luv my diesel jeep gladiator 42k on it and going strong, 24- 27 mpg on average, thing has lots of acceleration and can go almost anywhere
I got an ecodiesel after seeing your videos. Loved it but had an oil leak after my first oil change. I also spent months waiting on parts. The ecodiesel is too complex and not many techs know how to work on it. I have a 392 and love it and you’re going to love yours too.
Good video I have a 2021 ecodiesel and tow every trip (3 kids) w/ an offroad trailer on 35in MTs. In UT, SoCal, CO mtn passes, etc I do not get derating. I think people don't slow down when the engine is getting warm; it is part of driving a vehicle. I did have one trip in SoCal that I had to slow down climbing passes because my engine was getting warm (up to 250F) and slowed down and engine cooled and no issues. as far as DEF I'm surprised at how much I use, more than a tank per 5000miles, and the update did not seem to help much; only a slight increase in miles per DEF tank. I am usually towing, rarely driving any distance w/o a trailer and maybe that is why I haven't seen much change. In diesel I get 23mpg w/o towing and 18-19mpg towing, both include offroading miles as well. I don't have a roofrack and my jeep is definitely lighter.
You can't say Ecodiesel Wrangler without saying Casey250.. you've helped alot of people decide if they should purchase a gas/diesel Wrangler.. Ecodiesel is the way to go imo.. Great content as always.
Ditto , thanks Casey for all of the humorous insight , guidance and knowledge on the Eco Diesel . Mine was one of the first 2021JLURD off the line and I love it with very minimal issues towing a off-road trailer in Arizona . Thanks again
the main problem with ALL diesel cars / truck is the manufacture straves the engine for outside air, i have a 2500 dodge diesel, 6.7 l had heating problems in the past, i went with a aftermarket scoop tube mounted on the outside of the fender, . most people hate these scoops because of when traveling in rain, or behind someone blowing dust, or snow, or hail etc, i installed a re-position scoop, , that means in the condition above, i can turn it facing backwards and still maintaining good air flow,. AIR IN THE ENGINE OF A DIESEL IS VERY IMPROTANT, THE MORE AIR , BETTER THE CONDITIONS OF A SMOOTH RUNNING ENGINE, . IN THE MILITARY, WE MADE A SUCKER FAN IT SUCKED MORE AIR INTO THE OUTSIDE TUBE TO COOL THE ENGINE DOWN AND IT WORKED GREAT,. THE SGT. WASNT HAPPY , BUT LATER MADE US BLILD ONE FOR ALL THE TRUCK,S. USED A 4" FAN IN THE BOTTOM OF THE TUBE . ONE MORE THING I WANT YOU O DO IS, PLACE A NYLON STOCKING OVER YOUR AIR FLITER, WHEN YOUR TRAVELING DOWN A DUSTY ROAD OR DUST FROM THE TRUCK IN FRONT OF YOU IT WILL BLOCK ALL THE FINE DUST FROM ENTERING INTO YOUR AIR BOX OR INSIDE THE ENGINE, DUST IS THE WORST THINK ON CYLINDER WALLS OF THE DIESEL ENGINE. in my dodge diesel also i installed 2 12" blower fans to push air through the front of the radiator and the intercooler
Casey, I own a 2021 Wrangler Sport with ecodiesel. I bought it new in February 21 and now have about 26,000 miles on it. My first need for DEF was at 3,400 miles after driving from Phoenix to Portland and down to Death Valley. I was surprised because the book said I should get 10,000 miles on a full tank of DEF. I love it but you really got me there with the $5,000 price for the emissions system and I don't have the skid plate. I have not experienced any derating so I am glad you talked about that so I will know what is going on if I experience it. My temperature gauge stays right in the middle regardless of the temps here in Arizona and on mountain roads. I pulled a 5x8 Uhaul trailer, loaded but not too heavy, from Arizona to Virginia back. I experienced 21 mpg driving at 65 mph. I could have gone faster but knew that my fuel economy would go down as you also noted. My overall fuel economy for the 26,000 miles which includes highway, some city, and of course off road is 26 mpg. I do not have a noticeable lag on acceleration. In fact, I think it is rather good and this comes from a guy that bought the first Plymouth Roadrunner in Springfield, Missouri in September 1967. Of course, that had much better acceleration but the diesel Wrangler is pretty good. Oil changes for the diesel are really high. Jeep Wave paid for the first couple but my last one was $325, ouch. I bought a package from Jeep that includes 4 oil changes for about $160 each. That is still an ouch. Overall, I really like the diesel but may change my mind if I have to pay for an emissions system after warranty runs out. Great job with you videos. I will miss you talking about your diesel Wrangler but look forward to more videos from you. You are very thorough.
Have you reprogrammed so that the vehicle knows you’re running 37’s. That will make a difference with the transmission lag. As for power, I would get the AFE cold air intake you will gain about 39 pounds of torque I believe🤘🏼 Yeah, it seems like the only problems with a Diesel Jeeps are emissions related in the exhaust. The second my warranty runs out I am straight piping my jeep.🤙🏼
Got a new 2021 wrangler sport last year with the diesel and loved it. Got a call earlier this year from the dealership saying they wanted to buy it back. Put 20k miles on it and the resell value was a couple hundred less than the price we purchased at. Ordered a different ecodiesel wrangler and I'm still super happy with both purchases. Never heard of the d rating issue before and living in las vegas have only had throttle issue pulling into traffic once with each wrangler I've had then no problems. Nerve racking as fuck though when you're pulling into traffic with cars coming up quick and there's no throttle response for a second. It becomes a long second
After being T-boned in my JK and rolling it few times, I'm looking at a 2021 Rubi eco diesel. I know nothing about this engine and this helped. Thanks.
Good review and definitely will help diesel owners watch out for potential issues. Thx Casey. Curious if you looked at installing a Banks Derringer and Pedal Monster. It is the first thing I did to mine from the get-go (2021 JLURD) and it’s a totally different animal vs stock; it’s extremely fun to drive and still getting 25 mpg combined(almost 30mpg hwy keeping it under 70mph), no issues on transmission and it shifts extremely fast off the line. Mine is one of the fastest of the line and plenty of highway power if you add more fuel. Pedal lag is due to electronics and nothing to do with turbo. I have zero perceived “lag” and it’s quicker than my buddy’s 392 (he’s got stock gearing and 37s) 0-60 running 37s and stock diesel gearing (3.73). I took care of the DEF recall shortly after buying it (under 2K miles) but even before and for the first 10k miles, I consumed less than 5gal/1 tank of DEF and only one regen. That said I live in AZ in PHX and the O2 and climate is very different and might contribute to better efficiency than BC. The other things I don’t deal with is the elements during winter and salt/sand/etc that will effect the emissions system without constant care (I used to live in northern WI and have had to replace emissions several times). Living in AZ I’ve never had De rating and summers are well over 100 degrees on the summer averaging 110+ from end of June-Aug. thinking the lack getting into the dealer caused your issues plus think about all skid plates retaining heat. You don’t need it around exhaust and likely cause some overheating. Never cover exhaust. They can take a beating and if you are bashing them, get some off roaring lessons (being sarcastic of course). After 2 years of owning mine, I’d definitely consider another eco diesel unless they do a Cummins. The Jeep rides way better and steering is better than gassers thanks to heavier diesel and lower center of gravity; stock comparison of course (I have 3.7 and 2.0 in my work fleet and plenty of miles comparing on and off road btw). Diesel isn’t for everyone, there are other costs associated including the 8-9k for motor transmission option, but you do get better performance and it’s till cheaper than a 392 and 4XE and those option have their own drawbacks. Thanks for the opinion and feedback and happy trails all!
Good response! I also live in Arizona and didn’t know what he was talking about regarding loss of power/ de-rating, has never happened to me. FYI, i own a 2021 diesel wrangler” unlimited
I'm sorry to hear about your DEF and overheating issues. I'm in SW Florida where it's really hot and have never had any reduced performance issues due to heat. I wonder if your additional skid plating and dirt in your radiator are a problem. I get 21 mpg on 35's city/highway combined and as far as DEF use has been 3 jugs over 20,000 miles. My Jeep isn't as heavy though and I think your rig is laboring with all the additional weight and aero drag.
Imagine that the EGR had an issue. The same problem every single diesel vehicle has across the board now, from Dodge to Peterbilt to John Deere. Thanks governments for making our very expensive vehicles less reliable than necessary.
Yep almost like a bunch of unelected people in a massive centralized alphabet agency don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. Almost like they extort wealth thru forced taxation and their only job is to make our lives more difficult. 😉 nothing can ever not be made worse by adding government.
The 3rd gen ecodiesel design is actually quite awesome. Very quite yet still has that awesome diesel rumble, incredibly fuel efficient on its segment, and great in emissions since still an option on the gladiator. Diesel comes down to accurate maintenance and overall vehicle care. Use & Abuse will always yield bad results no matter what you own
I live in Phoenix which is often referred to as the face of the sun and one the hottest areas on the planet and I’ve never had a derate even towing my trailer. The DEF is such a low expense per miles driven that I don’t even factor it in the cost per mile. I am in a gladiator so there may be some big differences between that and a wrangler.
Have 2020 Wrangler Willys Ecodiesel about 23,000 miles on it. 2022 Gladiator Rubicon Ecodiesel 3000miles on that. No problems with either just smiles when I’m crawling up hills pulling my Xventure XV3 trailer. Wife got 26mpg in here Gladiator round trip San Jose to Lake Tahoe.
Ive owned my diesel gladiator for over a year and 24000 miles with all but 21 of those being on 39” tires. Lifetime MPG is over 20 and theres over 1000 offroad miles mixed in. Been absolutely flawless and I would only consider trading it for a 100% ev real convertible offroader.
Owned my 2.2 eco diesel for 1.5 years down under in Australia. Much hotter conditions generally. It seems The 2.2 is such a better fit for the wrangler. More then enough performance and it certainly seems to deal with heat better. It’s a shame it got ditched. It also uses significantly less DEF. 14 litres = 10 - 12000kms. Fuel range 700 - 900kms from 81 litres of diesel
I have a 2020 JLUR D and always love driving it. Very smooth on the highway and has been amazing off-road. Running a 3.5 lift with 37’s and haven’t felt the need to regear. I have taken it on many long road trips through Moab, Colorado, Sand Hollow hitting many level 7-8 trails. The jeep has always performed well in many difficult situations. With my experience the engine has been solid it’s just all the surrounding small parts I had issues with. I would say it’s been in service 3-4 times but there was always a delay getting the parts. They can be on back order for a few month. My only issue was downtime and getting parts in todays world. With my jk that was never down for a week because parts everywhere and easy to fix but love driving the diesel more and will stick with it. Our gladiator with a 3.6 we haven’t had any issues.
You should buy a pedal commander if they make one for your vehicle, I drive a diesel truck and the throttle response is so much better, an no lag or not enough to notice.
The Derating thing is really concerning the whole point of the Diesel is supposed to be the ability to tow and add more weight. With that said I was able pull my 3500 lb trailer with my JLU Diesel thru Palm Springs in 105 degree heat with no derating. Not much in the way of hills and climbing tho.
I'm on 40s Dana 60 axles front and rear 4:88 gears. I've never had the D rating issue and I live in Texas heat. I did experience an oil leak due to the timing chain cover. I drive 85 mph all the time. I plan to drive this motor into the ground and do an engine swap down the road.
Gladiator Rubicon... I just got my 4xe...it suits my need in the city, but if i were to order another one purely for adventure, it would definitely be a Gladiator Rubicon... so much more space..
I’ll bet his new Jeep will have the hemi in it. Unless one of the new new ones with a turbo in-line six. Upon consideration, the lesser gas mileage in the hemi is offset by the increased price of diesel and def, so you will get about the same torque with twice the horsepower for about the same cost per mile with a hemi, and no turbo lag. (Unless the I6 has some serious lag.)
I have the eco diesel Jeep gladiator and wrangler. Modded with 37 inch tires on the gladiator and 40 inch on the wrangler. There is no choice in a power plant if you plan to mod the Jeep with weight of any kind. Gear, tires etc. A diesel electric is the only power plant that will beat what is actually available and this is not an option. When shit hits the fan with mud, sand, and or water. My diesels Jeeps save the day. I have a search and rescue business. The 4XE is a cool machine. If they pair this with the what I heard in the future there will be a 3.0 twin turbo gas engine maybe. Want the ultimate power plant? Diesel electric. Government won’t allow this because it will get too great of fuel mileage.
The transmission and engine lag along with DEF fluid is a function of fuel quality. My Ram, MB and Jeep Diesel are very finicky about diesel so i won't buy no name to save a few bucks. I did swap to the KN intake on the jeep and have the AFE boots tubes to make the turbo spool freer. It made a huge difference on my RAM. Too bad you are giving up before installing those things and the Banks tuner. The tranny needs a tow haul mode, I manual shift on long grades, its a common diesel thing. It will pull at low RPM, you add more pedal and add more fuel but your EGT's climb. Turbo Diesel Register has some good articles about dropping to a lower gear to keep your EGT's lower.
funny enough, here someone covered the how the particulate filter get gummed up at higher turbo temps, which goes back to more throttle at lower RPM's leads to hight EGT's and soot versus dropping to a lower gear to reduce temps should prevent derating. ua-cam.com/video/tFYobP83SxA/v-deo.html
It’s weird how a lot of places you have to buy bs def for high prices. I live in dc and a 2.5 gallon is around 18 to 21 bucks. But when I went to Florida to see my parents I noticed that bucceyes gas station had def on tap just like diesel or gas. Shit was dirt ass cheap. More states and places should do this for diesel owners.
Way to go Casey. You only went through and loved the comments that agreed with you. Nothing to the guy that figured out it was maybe a skid plate issue. Or the guy that has had no issues with eco diesel
Hey man, thanks for dropping comments. You ok? I seem to of offended you some how. Ive been on the road for nearly three weeks straight and had multiple videos drop and all my comments come into one spot on an app on my phone. I try to check comments when a video goes up but the rest get buried and I'm off grid a lot. I flip through try to read lots and when I have time respond. Theres nothing else to it. Hope your doing alright and you keep enjoying my vids. Ill be back home in a few days with lots more exciting videos. Cheers
You never offended me. Where did you get that from? I feel your reviews on the eco-diesel are unfair considering your mods. Your last update never showed engine light and squiggly little line on dash you spoke of. Why was that ? I enjoy your vids but let’s not lose perspective. I don’t feel you have been totally honest.
I’ve got a 2021 eco diesel wrangler with 7000km on it. I got the update you spoke of done at the dealer. I did my first oil change on my Jeep at 5000 km and my DEF tank was about half full. If it doubles that like you claim, I would be annoyed too with the extra costs.
Hi Casey! Thank you for your update! I sold my ecodiesel jeep wrangler just a few months back and am starting to miss it lol. My question for you and the debate im having is if you were to shop a gladiator, would you go eco diesel or the 3.6. Part of me is leaning towards the 3.6 for it being so reliable, and with fuel costs right now, it might be the better option....also dont have to worry about DEF.
My strong advice is go jump in a 3.6 Gladiator with the 33S then picture a payload. With 35 to 37 and then picture Pull on that payload and Gladiator up a steep grade and you climbing that. It is absolutely gutless you will be recaring in my opinion gladiators only look good with the minimal 38" tire. I'm sure Casey got the 392 and that is an awesome Set up but most of the guys with only 35 are claiming 13 to 14 miles a gallon gallon def or no def you are gonna you're gonna suffer with these gas prices.
@@dupton8000 yeah that’s true. I’ve driven both a 3.6 and the diesel. But like Casey said in previous videos, he would not go back with a diesel and obviously he is getting something different because something about the diesel he doesn’t like. I know the exhaust system is super annoying to have to deal with like he had to. That’s also part of the reason leaning toward the 3.6. I don’t plan to do any real hardcore overlanding, just weekend trips at best, camping, etc. I had 37’s on my gladiator and it looked awesome on the 3.6. It was fairly gutless on the stock 410’s but you can say that with any jeep with the 3.6 lol.
7:30 The garbage company I work for had a whole bunch of particulate filters plug up. Under normal operation, the DEF will clear the diesel particulates in a process called regeneration. But as you say, this system will eventually fail - usually out of warranty - and it's going to cost the owner tons of money. Stage 1 - 3 the engine becomes derated, but when the DPF is totally plugged up the system goes into Stage 4 which is limp mode - meaning 5 kph max. Major pain in the neck and the wallet. Diesel engine technology is terrific - it's the emissions control that's the problem. Hoping the manufacturers can get this issue sorted out one day. Edit and trivia note: the work truck I drive burns through about 2 litres of DEF per 240 kms per day.
Hmmm is it the 4xe ,v6 or the 392. Right now those are the only 3 engine options. Trail recon traded in his 4xe so I don’t think you would chose that one.
Always thanks for your video. Do you have any problem with glow plugs and how hard are they to change? Are they covered under warranty by any chance do you know this?
Well like I said a long time ago...... put a banks tuner on it..... I live in cali pull trailers in hot heat in 4 lo...... no issues with anything ever... tranny shifts perfect uses hardly any def........ maybe a diesel is just not for you...... some people don't like tons of power and great gas mileage....... you should probably get a 4cyl and all your problems will go away......
Probably a 392, even though he talked about tank size and range being an issue with the 4xe. But the gas mileage of the 392 effectively makes it a wash with the 4xe range wise for any tank that isn’t 100% highway (and even then, it’s pretty close). The 3.6 or the 4.0 turbo are more practical. By the way, I have a 4xe Rubicon with a steel bumper, winch, lift and 35’s and I get 20 to 21 mpg on the highway on long trips (but not comparable to Casey’s experience with the diesel as I don’t have 37’s or a loaded rack up top which would cut off a couple+ mpg).
What have you heard about the company’s that produce the DEF fluid no longer making it? A friend of mine who is a truck driver said DEF fluid is about to get very expensive and hard to get because these main companies are stopping production of it.
Love diesels, always have but with todays after treatment systems and low sulfur diesel…no more. Cost here in the US doesn’t help much either. I’m sure you ordered the 392. We have a 2022 4xe rubi which is pretty neat as well
Ok, so my wife figured it out (😆). If not 392, and not a diesel (it's possible we agree), doubt you would go V6 as its kinda anemic, you said 4xe not ideal for your use...must be turbo 4 banger. Better power than V6, turbo for altitude, better than 4xe mpg/ltr/100 wise as it weighs less.
I'm going to guess you went with a 3.6L JLUR. I don't see much value beyond "cool" for either the Diesel or the 4xe. Especially considering how much offroading you do. :)
Hey Casey, just saw this video which is rather ironic considering the last comment I asked you about your diesel. When you first got it, I did mention that the DEF was a pain in the butt. Keep in mind driving an 18 wheeler I typically do about 4023 km a week if I was to get a diesel JEEP I would try to get an engine sourced from Europe where they’ve been selling the diesel for decades or if I got a new one I would definitely do the DEF delete and it probably do the EGR delete as well great video. Good review though. I can tell you I would never get any EV as long as I can hold out, I’m never getting an EV currently the battery packs are supplied through slave and child’s slave labor in Africa. Granted, you could say the same about a smart phone and laptop and everything else that uses lithium batteries however, the amount of cobalt nickel and lithium is a lot smaller than what’s needed in EV.
Have had 2 Jeeps, they both had notorious overheating tendencies. One of them I got brand spankin New. Discovered its a Jeep thing, overheating. Btw, 7:00 welcome to FCA automobile products.
The trans is awesome but for sure the tuning is softened hardcore. Love the 8hp75 in our ecodiesel but I just drove my buddy's new M3 competition with the 8hp76. Incredible how good the trans is in said platform. Shift aggressiveness is selectable withe the most aggressive being quite violent for a torque converter auto. It is no wonder why BMW changed from their DCT to the ZF 8hp.
haha PSYCH. I know what you bought, but some of the viewers do not. I thought this was the official announcement especially by the opening. Great video Casey, and thanks for the great revue. I tested out a Gladiator Eco Diesel and was not sold on it, to me it felt gutless at take off, just like you said. I honestly thought these were supposed to be Torque monsters, but that is sadly not the case. I can't wait to see your new ride!
At around 13:40 you mention which motor to get if you want the best fuel economy.....I won't dispute what you say but I have a 2019 Jeep Rubicon completely modified with a Thule Roof Top Tent and replaced both bumpers and bigger wheels and tires.....I get on average 18 MPG in town and about close to 20 mpg on Hwy. I have the 2.0 Turbo gas model. I don't understand why your diesel motor is not getting upwards of 20 and above? I had a diesel once brand new chevy truck in 06 that got less than the gas motor and I was totally bummed out....the Dealership told me that it was because I didn't have enough miles on the motor and it was not broke in yet.....I asked how long does that take to get the full advantage of a diesel motor? They said at least 50k. For me unless we are talking about torque I have not reason to even look at them with all of the problems you have mentioned.....not to mention that diesel fuel is more as well. Thanks for this video.
I bet it’s 392 considering all specs and the fact you drove it already Trail Recon 392 :) can’t go back lol hope you get it considering Jeep is possibly cutting it out in place of the new 3.0 turbo in the near future \_/
Diesel vehicles are driven much more in Europe, so we learned how to solve problems. That EGR repair, which requires replacing the entire system is pure nonsense, especially on a car with low miles, because they don't want to go through the hassle of replacing parts. Replacing the EGR is not complicated at all. Often, simple removal and cleaning of the EGR can solve the problem, because particles of unburnt diesel cause it to get stuck and remain open, or closed, which is the better solution. And the used EGR itself costs about $150 for that engine, new is about $500.
It should be Not legal to have a jeep or anything that requires diesel fluid and cuts power not allowing you to drive safely if it runs low, that’s like saying it’s legal to cut all but 1 cyl on a v6 or all but 2CyLS on a V8 if your check engine light comes on, it’s simply nuts..they should have a warning light,with a beeping sound come on, then use a exhaust bypass valve to prevent damage to the converters ,and give owners at least 100 miles to get the issue fix just incase a jeep is out in the Desert or something, and unable to get to a garage for repairs..that would also give dealers the ability to log the failure ,and then repair the issue or fill it up,and turn off the light for free..
Mine has no diesel smell if you know what diesels used to smell like but my dogs know when the diesel is come home from 1 mile away and sometimes when I watch an EcoDiesel on UA-cam - crazy that the engine sound is that unique to their ears. Love it!!
These fellas aren’t mall crawling these Jeeps. They are driven hard. That may be some of their big issues. Most people will mall crawl these without issues
As a former owner of a deleted ecodiesel, it was absolutely awesome. 7l/100 in a full size rig. Adds about 60hp and 60 ft/lb. But, when I went to sell it, it really bit my in the butt. Dealers won't touch it. And 99 percent of the people in the market don't understand what it is. Lucky for me and the buyer they understood what they were buying. Great video casey.
How much MPG did you pick up? I wouldn't mind doing a DEF delete. Not to roll coal (hate that dumb shit), but I want better MPG, and hey extra power is a nice side effect.
@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 i saw about 5 mpg combined. More on the hwy. No more regens or def purchases. And it's great to save the motor. But again, literally no dealership would touch it here. And some shops wouldn't work on it.
@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 I haven’t deleted my gladiator yet but I know a “canadian” who has. He picked up 2mpg city and 4 highway.
How did you go about getting the delete done ?? I have no intention of ever selling my jeep until it's absolutely worthless and most likely worth more in a scrap yard and if I can pull the def system put and get a bigger tank for fuel I feel like it's a win win in my book
@@jamessnider2975 are you in Canada or in the states?
Hi Casey ... thanks for your videos it helps when others share theirs experience. As a truck driver and owner of a Jeep gladiator ecodiesel I’ve learned to buy my def at truck stops instead of a jug at a parts store or local retailer, it’s cheaper when you buy bulk and fresh ( at at truckstop ) just pull into the truck fuel island and fill your def up just like you would your diesel fueling. For those who are not familiar with DEF it goes bad after a certain period of time, jugs get fill at the factory then ship to a warehouse and then ship to a retailer were it might sit for a while meanwhile at at truckstop it get replenish ( bulk ) every 2 to 6 days. Well that’s providing you have a truck stop close from you’re home or usual route. Instead of paying 14 to 18 ( US dollars) per jug it would be about 8 ( US dollars ) per the same amount 2.5 gallons. My gladiator it’s to new it only has so far 8000 miles on it but I Learned so much with my 18 wheeler that I know how to prevent this emissions problems. It’s regular maintenance, clear the def doser they get plugged with carbon and that prevents the doser from injecting the proper amount and at time instead of spraying they drip.... a kind of preventive maintenance it is to remove the doser ( if you are handy with tools ) and inspect it most time they can be cleaned ( scape the carbon out of the tip ) and if you see any anomalies replace it, same thing goes for the NoX sensors. I know that 18 wheelers are bigger and different than a regular small pick up but it’s the same principle...some of the new Diesel engines even have a DEF filter and most of the times it gets neglected and that becomes a big problem latter. So far I’m super happy with my ecodiesel Gladiator. Mods that I’ve done so far: 6.5 evo lift kit stage 4 with coilover on the front, 40x13.5 R17 tires, regear to 4.88 with ARB air lockers, front and rear steel bumpers and DV8 steep/ slider.
My Gladiator is the high Altitude so the interior has a lot of upgrades from factory . Hope my comments on DEF helps someone. Cheers and happy trails !
He clearly got a 392. Every jeep youtuber has already got or ordered one
That's what I figured as well
100%
I have 2021 rubicon eco-diesel. I installed the banks pedal monster. It is extremely responsive. I love my jeep especially with the price of fuel
I have a 2021 wrangler eco diesel and have experienced limp mode numerous times when climbing grades in hot weather. I run the tazer but also monitor exhaust temps, VGT position, DPF percentage, etc with an xgauge. I determined that the cause of my limp mode was the full skid plates under the engine. when exhaust temps would get too high, the engine started dumping boost without ever changing the VGT position. I know you run metal cloak, I run the Rock Hard steel, and it traps an immense amount of heat from the exhaust. as soon as I removed the skids exhaust temps dropped I couldn't get it to go into limp mode again. running 37's as well.
Wait…. Hahaha😅
That’s funny, and makes sense. I was like, how the heck are these guys managing to get an excellent diesel engine too hot?
Literally nobody else except Jeep guys will find a way to break something.
I have a 2014 Grand cherokee ecodiesel. I am at almost 200k miles. I bought it as a lemon that was repurchased by jeep with a major exhaust system issue. I get 1 jug of DEF per oil change (3500 miles). I do get around 24mpg and with a 26 gallon tank.. i can get very close to 610 miles per fill up
A water methanol system is around $500 and you can drastically lower intake temps on turbo engines, just need to find room for the pump and tank
I've always said, you never buy a newly designed vehicle the first year it comes out... the Eco Diesel and the Bronco for example. Everything is new, so they really don't know how it is over time. One I always use is, "the door handles are probably new and may fall apart." Get the second year after they've worked out the bugs of the first year.
Gen 1 and 2 EcoDiesel In the Ram pick up trucks have their fair share of problems, in fact many. The GEN 3 EcoDiesel currently in the Wrangler was introduced introduced into the ram 1500 pick up truck several years before being introduced into the Wrangler so it was proven. That's why I didn't hesitate in 2020 to purchase mine. 0 issues to date. 28k miles.
I got a 21 Ecodiesel Gladiator exactly a year ago. Up here in Alaska- I had a couple of episodes with the DEF fluid when it got cold. DEF fluid freezes at about 12f. We can go a couple of weeks (or more) below that. Had to take it to the dealer a couple of times for computer updates. However in the summers up here the Ecodiesel shines. Traveling through mountain passes I get 24 mpg plus going to the cabin.
Hey. Are you still enjoying your diesel Gladiator? Thinking of one for myself
@@gateofdivine582 - still have my Ecodiesel Gladiator. No troubles with the DEF system this past winter. I tow a camper trailer up through a mountain pass. With the added torque it’s like I have nothing behind me going up through the pass. Still get almost 20 mpg with the trailer behind me.
Another Alaskan with an Ecodiesel. I live on the Kenai Peninsula and regularly get 28+ MPG going to Los Anchorage. Not using much DEF and no issues other than two factory recalls
I had a metal fabricator cut the DEF tank extend it about 4 inches and he also changed the pick up tube so it's always getting fluid. I also had a small electric fan installed and wedged in place with a toggle switch to keep it extra cool in the summer.
Weird, I had zero issues with de-rating, and I've towed a good bit over the "5,
500" tow rating (heat restricted) and I've towed up into the mountains. Zero issues, temperatures nor pressures moved. It's an excellent tow vehicle.
Me either. My gladiator has never been over 240* oil or water and that includes towing around the max up grades in arizona (on 39” tires)
240 is fricking high man, that would freak me out.......I don't like running over 210
@@michaelsantosuosso7284 modern diesels are completely find there. I sit a 215-220 just cruising around town 260 is danger 265 is derate
Good honest review Casey, very appreciated. I'm quite happy with my 2021 Gladiator diesel. DEF consumption is quite normal and no d-rating issues. Good luck with your 392 Wrangler.
@@fredmertz3837 That's much better than going down the Bronco rabbit hole UA-camrs have been going down lately.
I'm 4 years in and I luv my diesel jeep gladiator 42k on it and going strong, 24- 27 mpg on average, thing has lots of acceleration and can go almost anywhere
I got an ecodiesel after seeing your videos. Loved it but had an oil leak after my first oil change. I also spent months waiting on parts. The ecodiesel is too complex and not many techs know how to work on it. I have a 392 and love it and you’re going to love yours too.
Good video
I have a 2021 ecodiesel and tow every trip (3 kids) w/ an offroad trailer on 35in MTs. In UT, SoCal, CO mtn passes, etc I do not get derating. I think people don't slow down when the engine is getting warm; it is part of driving a vehicle. I did have one trip in SoCal that I had to slow down climbing passes because my engine was getting warm (up to 250F) and slowed down and engine cooled and no issues.
as far as DEF I'm surprised at how much I use, more than a tank per 5000miles, and the update did not seem to help much; only a slight increase in miles per DEF tank. I am usually towing, rarely driving any distance w/o a trailer and maybe that is why I haven't seen much change. In diesel I get 23mpg w/o towing and 18-19mpg towing, both include offroading miles as well. I don't have a roofrack and my jeep is definitely lighter.
You can't say Ecodiesel Wrangler without saying Casey250.. you've helped alot of people decide if they should purchase a gas/diesel Wrangler.. Ecodiesel is the way to go imo.. Great content as always.
Ditto , thanks Casey for all of the humorous insight , guidance and knowledge on the Eco Diesel . Mine was one of the first 2021JLURD off the line and I love it with very minimal issues towing a off-road trailer in Arizona . Thanks again
the main problem with ALL diesel cars / truck is the manufacture straves the engine for outside air, i have a 2500 dodge diesel, 6.7 l had heating problems in the past, i went with a aftermarket scoop tube mounted on the outside of the fender, . most people hate these scoops because of when traveling in rain, or behind someone blowing dust, or snow, or hail etc, i installed a re-position scoop, , that means in the condition above, i can turn it facing backwards and still maintaining good air flow,. AIR IN THE ENGINE OF A DIESEL IS VERY IMPROTANT, THE MORE AIR , BETTER THE CONDITIONS OF A SMOOTH RUNNING ENGINE, . IN THE MILITARY, WE MADE A SUCKER FAN IT SUCKED MORE AIR INTO THE OUTSIDE TUBE TO COOL THE ENGINE DOWN AND IT WORKED GREAT,. THE SGT. WASNT HAPPY , BUT LATER MADE US BLILD ONE FOR ALL THE TRUCK,S. USED A 4" FAN IN THE BOTTOM OF THE TUBE . ONE MORE THING I WANT YOU O DO IS, PLACE A NYLON STOCKING OVER YOUR AIR FLITER, WHEN YOUR TRAVELING DOWN A DUSTY ROAD OR DUST FROM THE TRUCK IN FRONT OF YOU IT WILL BLOCK ALL THE FINE DUST FROM ENTERING INTO YOUR AIR BOX OR INSIDE THE ENGINE, DUST IS THE WORST THINK ON CYLINDER WALLS OF THE DIESEL ENGINE. in my dodge diesel also i installed 2 12" blower fans to push air through the front of the radiator and the intercooler
Casey, I own a 2021 Wrangler Sport with ecodiesel. I bought it new in February 21 and now have about 26,000 miles on it. My first need for DEF was at 3,400 miles after driving from Phoenix to Portland and down to Death Valley. I was surprised because the book said I should get 10,000 miles on a full tank of DEF. I love it but you really got me there with the $5,000 price for the emissions system and I don't have the skid plate.
I have not experienced any derating so I am glad you talked about that so I will know what is going on if I experience it. My temperature gauge stays right in the middle regardless of the temps here in Arizona and on mountain roads.
I pulled a 5x8 Uhaul trailer, loaded but not too heavy, from Arizona to Virginia back. I experienced 21 mpg driving at 65 mph. I could have gone faster but knew that my fuel economy would go down as you also noted. My overall fuel economy for the 26,000 miles which includes highway, some city, and of course off road is 26 mpg.
I do not have a noticeable lag on acceleration. In fact, I think it is rather good and this comes from a guy that bought the first Plymouth Roadrunner in Springfield, Missouri in September 1967. Of course, that had much better acceleration but the diesel Wrangler is pretty good.
Oil changes for the diesel are really high. Jeep Wave paid for the first couple but my last one was $325, ouch. I bought a package from Jeep that includes 4 oil changes for about $160 each. That is still an ouch.
Overall, I really like the diesel but may change my mind if I have to pay for an emissions system after warranty runs out.
Great job with you videos. I will miss you talking about your diesel Wrangler but look forward to more videos from you. You are very thorough.
Thanks! The def consumption is waaaay higher then stated. Its crazy.
Have you reprogrammed so that the vehicle knows you’re running 37’s. That will make a difference with the transmission lag. As for power, I would get the AFE cold air intake you will gain about 39 pounds of torque I believe🤘🏼
Yeah, it seems like the only problems with a Diesel Jeeps are emissions related in the exhaust. The second my warranty runs out I am straight piping my jeep.🤙🏼
Got a new 2021 wrangler sport last year with the diesel and loved it. Got a call earlier this year from the dealership saying they wanted to buy it back. Put 20k miles on it and the resell value was a couple hundred less than the price we purchased at. Ordered a different ecodiesel wrangler and I'm still super happy with both purchases. Never heard of the d rating issue before and living in las vegas have only had throttle issue pulling into traffic once with each wrangler I've had then no problems. Nerve racking as fuck though when you're pulling into traffic with cars coming up quick and there's no throttle response for a second. It becomes a long second
Here comes the 392.
After being T-boned in my JK and rolling it few times, I'm looking at a 2021 Rubi eco diesel. I know nothing about this engine and this helped. Thanks.
Good review and definitely will help diesel owners watch out for potential issues. Thx Casey. Curious if you looked at installing a Banks Derringer and Pedal Monster. It is the first thing I did to mine from the get-go (2021 JLURD) and it’s a totally different animal vs stock; it’s extremely fun to drive and still getting 25 mpg combined(almost 30mpg hwy keeping it under 70mph), no issues on transmission and it shifts extremely fast off the line. Mine is one of the fastest of the line and plenty of highway power if you add more fuel. Pedal lag is due to electronics and nothing to do with turbo. I have zero perceived “lag” and it’s quicker than my buddy’s 392 (he’s got stock gearing and 37s) 0-60 running 37s and stock diesel gearing (3.73).
I took care of the DEF recall shortly after buying it (under 2K miles) but even before and for the first 10k miles, I consumed less than 5gal/1 tank of DEF and only one regen. That said I live in AZ in PHX and the O2 and climate is very different and might contribute to better efficiency than BC. The other things I don’t deal with is the elements during winter and salt/sand/etc that will effect the emissions system without constant care (I used to live in northern WI and have had to replace emissions several times). Living in AZ I’ve never had De rating and summers are well over 100 degrees on the summer averaging 110+ from end of June-Aug. thinking the lack getting into the dealer caused your issues plus think about all skid plates retaining heat. You don’t need it around exhaust and likely cause some overheating. Never cover exhaust. They can take a beating and if you are bashing them, get some off roaring lessons (being sarcastic of course).
After 2 years of owning mine, I’d definitely consider another eco diesel unless they do a Cummins. The Jeep rides way better and steering is better than gassers thanks to heavier diesel and lower center of gravity; stock comparison of course (I have 3.7 and 2.0 in my work fleet and plenty of miles comparing on and off road btw). Diesel isn’t for everyone, there are other costs associated including the 8-9k for motor transmission option, but you do get better performance and it’s till cheaper than a 392 and 4XE and those option have their own drawbacks.
Thanks for the opinion and feedback and happy trails all!
Good response! I also live in Arizona and didn’t know what he was talking about regarding loss of power/ de-rating, has never happened to me. FYI, i own a 2021 diesel wrangler” unlimited
I'm sorry to hear about your DEF and overheating issues. I'm in SW Florida where it's really hot and have never had any reduced performance issues due to heat. I wonder if your additional skid plating and dirt in your radiator are a problem. I get 21 mpg on 35's city/highway combined and as far as DEF use has been 3 jugs over 20,000 miles. My Jeep isn't as heavy though and I think your rig is laboring with all the additional weight and aero drag.
Imagine that the EGR had an issue. The same problem every single diesel vehicle has across the board now, from Dodge to Peterbilt to John Deere. Thanks governments for making our very expensive vehicles less reliable than necessary.
Yep almost like a bunch of unelected people in a massive centralized alphabet agency don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. Almost like they extort wealth thru forced taxation and their only job is to make our lives more difficult. 😉 nothing can ever not be made worse by adding government.
Diesel is the way to go. Sad they are discontinuing it.
The 3rd gen ecodiesel design is actually quite awesome. Very quite yet still has that awesome diesel rumble, incredibly fuel efficient on its segment, and great in emissions since still an option on the gladiator. Diesel comes down to accurate maintenance and overall vehicle care. Use & Abuse will always yield bad results no matter what you own
I live in Phoenix which is often referred to as the face of the sun and one the hottest areas on the planet and I’ve never had a derate even towing my trailer. The DEF is such a low expense per miles driven that I don’t even factor it in the cost per mile. I am in a gladiator so there may be some big differences between that and a wrangler.
Have 2020 Wrangler Willys Ecodiesel about 23,000 miles on it. 2022 Gladiator Rubicon Ecodiesel 3000miles on that. No problems with either just smiles when I’m crawling up hills pulling my Xventure XV3 trailer. Wife got 26mpg in here Gladiator round trip San Jose to Lake Tahoe.
Ive owned my diesel gladiator for over a year and 24000 miles with all but 21 of those being on 39” tires. Lifetime MPG is over 20 and theres over 1000 offroad miles mixed in.
Been absolutely flawless and I would only consider trading it for a 100% ev real convertible offroader.
Owned my 2.2 eco diesel for 1.5 years down under in Australia. Much hotter conditions generally. It seems The 2.2 is such a better fit for the wrangler. More then enough performance and it certainly seems to deal with heat better. It’s a shame it got ditched. It also uses significantly less DEF. 14 litres = 10 - 12000kms.
Fuel range 700 - 900kms from 81 litres of diesel
I have a 2020 JLUR D and always love driving it. Very smooth on the highway and has been amazing off-road. Running a 3.5 lift with 37’s and haven’t felt the need to regear. I have taken it on many long road trips through Moab, Colorado, Sand Hollow hitting many level 7-8 trails. The jeep has always performed well in many difficult situations. With my experience the engine has been solid it’s just all the surrounding small parts I had issues with. I would say it’s been in service 3-4 times but there was always a delay getting the parts. They can be on back order for a few month. My only issue was downtime and getting parts in todays world. With my jk that was never down for a week because parts everywhere and easy to fix but love driving the diesel more and will stick with it. Our gladiator with a 3.6 we haven’t had any issues.
Is the new inline 6 available ? I'm not a Jeep or Chrysler guy but that engine looks like the answer for any longitudinal installations.
Not yet it isn't
You should buy a pedal commander if they make one for your vehicle, I drive a diesel truck and the throttle response is so much better, an no lag or not enough to notice.
The Derating thing is really concerning the whole point of the Diesel is supposed to be the ability to tow and add more weight. With that said I was able pull my 3500 lb trailer with my JLU Diesel thru Palm Springs in 105 degree heat with no derating. Not much in the way of hills and climbing tho.
My ecodiesel went to florida and back from texas, about a 15 hour drive, didn’t even use 1/2 a tank of def
I pay $24 usd per tank of def about every 4000 miles but I’m a 2” lift with 33s still
I seem to go through alot not def on free way drives at 80mph
You can probably save money buying your def at a pump at your local truck stop. It’s typically $5/gal where I live vs $25-30 for a 2.5 gal box
There are rarely def pumps where we are fueling up unless we are on an interstate on a road trip.
I'm on 40s Dana 60 axles front and rear 4:88 gears. I've never had the D rating issue and I live in Texas heat. I did experience an oil leak due to the timing chain cover. I drive 85 mph all the time. I plan to drive this motor into the ground and do an engine swap down the road.
Gladiator Rubicon... I just got my 4xe...it suits my need in the city, but if i were to order another one purely for adventure, it would definitely be a Gladiator Rubicon... so much more space..
I’ll bet his new Jeep will have the hemi in it. Unless one of the new new ones with a turbo in-line six. Upon consideration, the lesser gas mileage in the hemi is offset by the increased price of diesel and def, so you will get about the same torque with twice the horsepower for about the same cost per mile with a hemi, and no turbo lag. (Unless the I6 has some serious lag.)
I have the eco diesel Jeep gladiator and wrangler.
Modded with 37 inch tires on the gladiator and 40 inch on the wrangler.
There is no choice in a power plant if you plan to mod the Jeep with weight of any kind. Gear, tires etc.
A diesel electric is the only power plant that will beat what is actually available and this is not an option.
When shit hits the fan with mud, sand, and or water. My diesels Jeeps save the day.
I have a search and rescue business. The 4XE is a cool machine. If they pair this with the what I heard in the future there will be a 3.0 twin turbo gas engine maybe.
Want the ultimate power plant? Diesel electric.
Government won’t allow this because it will get too great of fuel mileage.
Worked for freight trains last 100 years.
I absolutely love my 3.0JT on 39s
The transmission and engine lag along with DEF fluid is a function of fuel quality. My Ram, MB and Jeep Diesel are very finicky about diesel so i won't buy no name to save a few bucks. I did swap to the KN intake on the jeep and have the AFE boots tubes to make the turbo spool freer. It made a huge difference on my RAM. Too bad you are giving up before installing those things and the Banks tuner. The tranny needs a tow haul mode, I manual shift on long grades, its a common diesel thing. It will pull at low RPM, you add more pedal and add more fuel but your EGT's climb. Turbo Diesel Register has some good articles about dropping to a lower gear to keep your EGT's lower.
funny enough, here someone covered the how the particulate filter get gummed up at higher turbo temps, which goes back to more throttle at lower RPM's leads to hight EGT's and soot versus dropping to a lower gear to reduce temps should prevent derating. ua-cam.com/video/tFYobP83SxA/v-deo.html
Hey Casey, hows the Jeep going. The jeep should be around the 4 year mark. Any new issues?
I’m sure the new Jeep will be awesome! I’ve heard really good things about the pedal monster with diesel jeeps though. You should try it
Ohoh, Casey is getting a V8! :))
It’s weird how a lot of places you have to buy bs def for high prices. I live in dc and a 2.5 gallon is around 18 to 21 bucks. But when I went to Florida to see my parents I noticed that bucceyes gas station had def on tap just like diesel or gas. Shit was dirt ass cheap. More states and places should do this for diesel owners.
Way to go Casey. You only went through and loved the comments that agreed with you. Nothing to the guy that figured out it was maybe a skid plate issue. Or the guy that has had no issues with eco diesel
Hey man, thanks for dropping comments. You ok? I seem to of offended you some how. Ive been on the road for nearly three weeks straight and had multiple videos drop and all my comments come into one spot on an app on my phone. I try to check comments when a video goes up but the rest get buried and I'm off grid a lot. I flip through try to read lots and when I have time respond. Theres nothing else to it. Hope your doing alright and you keep enjoying my vids. Ill be back home in a few days with lots more exciting videos. Cheers
You never offended me. Where did you get that from? I feel your reviews on the eco-diesel are unfair considering your mods. Your last update never showed engine light and squiggly little line on dash you spoke of. Why was that ? I enjoy your vids but let’s not lose perspective. I don’t feel you have been totally honest.
All your vids have come so far from the beginning keep up the great work buddy
Thanks buddy!! Get another Jeep!
I’ve got a 2021 eco diesel wrangler with 7000km on it. I got the update you spoke of done at the dealer. I did my first oil change on my Jeep at 5000 km and my DEF tank was about half full. If it doubles that like you claim, I would be annoyed too with the extra costs.
Hi Casey! Thank you for your update! I sold my ecodiesel jeep wrangler just a few months back and am starting to miss it lol. My question for you and the debate im having is if you were to shop a gladiator, would you go eco diesel or the 3.6. Part of me is leaning towards the 3.6 for it being so reliable, and with fuel costs right now, it might be the better option....also dont have to worry about DEF.
Stay tuned 😎
@@Casey250 I already know you going with the 392 :)! But out of the 2 options I’m going with, what’s your thoughts?
My strong advice is go jump in a 3.6 Gladiator with the 33S then picture a payload. With 35 to 37 and then picture Pull on that payload and Gladiator up a steep grade and you climbing that. It is absolutely gutless you will be recaring in my opinion gladiators only look good with the minimal 38" tire. I'm sure Casey got the 392 and that is an awesome Set up but most of the guys with only 35 are claiming 13 to 14 miles a gallon gallon def or no def you are gonna you're gonna suffer with these gas prices.
@@dupton8000 yeah that’s true. I’ve driven both a 3.6 and the diesel. But like Casey said in previous videos, he would not go back with a diesel and obviously he is getting something different because something about the diesel he doesn’t like. I know the exhaust system is super annoying to have to deal with like he had to. That’s also part of the reason leaning toward the 3.6. I don’t plan to do any real hardcore overlanding, just weekend trips at best, camping, etc. I had 37’s on my gladiator and it looked awesome on the 3.6. It was fairly gutless on the stock 410’s but you can say that with any jeep with the 3.6 lol.
@@Casey250 What about a higher capacity 4 row engine coolant radiator. Also what about a air/oil separator catch can for the EGR system?
7:30 The garbage company I work for had a whole bunch of particulate filters plug up. Under normal operation, the DEF will clear the diesel particulates in a process called regeneration. But as you say, this system will eventually fail - usually out of warranty - and it's going to cost the owner tons of money. Stage 1 - 3 the engine becomes derated, but when the DPF is totally plugged up the system goes into Stage 4 which is limp mode - meaning 5 kph max. Major pain in the neck and the wallet. Diesel engine technology is terrific - it's the emissions control that's the problem. Hoping the manufacturers can get this issue sorted out one day. Edit and trivia note: the work truck I drive burns through about 2 litres of DEF per 240 kms per day.
Hmmm is it the 4xe ,v6 or the 392. Right now those are the only 3 engine options. Trail recon traded in his 4xe so I don’t think you would chose that one.
Ill let you guys know soon.
Don’t forget the 2.0T
Always thanks for your video. Do you have any problem with glow plugs and how hard are they to change? Are they covered under warranty by any chance do you know this?
Well like I said a long time ago...... put a banks tuner on it..... I live in cali pull trailers in hot heat in 4 lo...... no issues with anything ever... tranny shifts perfect uses hardly any def........ maybe a diesel is just not for you...... some people don't like tons of power and great gas mileage....... you should probably get a 4cyl and all your problems will go away......
You forgot about the million dollar oil changes haha lol
I change my own for about $75.
Excited to see your new jeep.
I’m a diesel lover. Mostly owned all diesels since 1999. Heard VW is bringing back the Scout and it will be electric. I’ll be first in line for that.
Probably a 392, even though he talked about tank size and range being an issue with the 4xe. But the gas mileage of the 392 effectively makes it a wash with the 4xe range wise for any tank that isn’t 100% highway (and even then, it’s pretty close). The 3.6 or the 4.0 turbo are more practical. By the way, I have a 4xe Rubicon with a steel bumper, winch, lift and 35’s and I get 20 to 21 mpg on the highway on long trips (but not comparable to Casey’s experience with the diesel as I don’t have 37’s or a loaded rack up top which would cut off a couple+ mpg).
What have you heard about the company’s that produce the DEF fluid no longer making it? A friend of mine who is a truck driver said DEF fluid is about to get very expensive and hard to get because these main companies are stopping production of it.
Love diesels, always have but with todays after treatment systems and low sulfur diesel…no more. Cost here in the US doesn’t help much either. I’m sure you ordered the 392. We have a 2022 4xe rubi which is pretty neat as well
Don't be so sure 🙂
@@Casey250 AMW 707 👍😁
Ok, so my wife figured it out (😆). If not 392, and not a diesel (it's possible we agree), doubt you would go V6 as its kinda anemic, you said 4xe not ideal for your use...must be turbo 4 banger. Better power than V6, turbo for altitude, better than 4xe mpg/ltr/100 wise as it weighs less.
I don't care about getting good fuel economy
@@Casey250 you're killing me 🤣
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I'm going to guess you went with a 3.6L JLUR. I don't see much value beyond "cool" for either the Diesel or the 4xe. Especially considering how much offroading you do. :)
It's a 392. Only logical choice, I don't think he'd trade the EcoDiesel for the 3.6L.
Banks would fix the response issue
Hey Casey, just saw this video which is rather ironic considering the last comment I asked you about your diesel. When you first got it, I did mention that the DEF was a pain in the butt. Keep in mind driving an 18 wheeler I typically do about 4023 km a week if I was to get a diesel JEEP I would try to get an engine sourced from Europe where they’ve been selling the diesel for decades or if I got a new one I would definitely do the DEF delete and it probably do the EGR delete as well great video. Good review though. I can tell you I would never get any EV as long as I can hold out, I’m never getting an EV currently the battery packs are supplied through slave and child’s slave labor in Africa. Granted, you could say the same about a smart phone and laptop and everything else that uses lithium batteries however, the amount of cobalt nickel and lithium is a lot smaller than what’s needed in EV.
I just got this disel wrangler and I’m wondering how to check and how will know when I have to fill up with DEF liquid?
The def gauge
Have had 2 Jeeps, they both had notorious overheating tendencies. One of them I got brand spankin New. Discovered its a Jeep thing, overheating. Btw, 7:00 welcome to FCA automobile products.
The trans is awesome but for sure the tuning is softened hardcore. Love the 8hp75 in our ecodiesel but I just drove my buddy's new M3 competition with the 8hp76. Incredible how good the trans is in said platform. Shift aggressiveness is selectable withe the most aggressive being quite violent for a torque converter auto. It is no wonder why BMW changed from their DCT to the ZF 8hp.
Did you still love the ecodisel? a review after 4 years could be really nice.
haha PSYCH. I know what you bought, but some of the viewers do not. I thought this was the official announcement especially by the opening. Great video Casey, and thanks for the great revue. I tested out a Gladiator Eco Diesel and was not sold on it, to me it felt gutless at take off, just like you said. I honestly thought these were supposed to be Torque monsters, but that is sadly not the case.
I can't wait to see your new ride!
21mpg thas very good fuel economy
Thank you for the honesty
deleteign a disel is a 10k per day fine.. or 300k per month
At around 13:40 you mention which motor to get if you want the best fuel economy.....I won't dispute what you say but I have a 2019 Jeep Rubicon completely modified with a Thule Roof Top Tent and replaced both bumpers and bigger wheels and tires.....I get on average 18 MPG in town and about close to 20 mpg on Hwy. I have the 2.0 Turbo gas model. I don't understand why your diesel motor is not getting upwards of 20 and above? I had a diesel once brand new chevy truck in 06 that got less than the gas motor and I was totally bummed out....the Dealership told me that it was because I didn't have enough miles on the motor and it was not broke in yet.....I asked how long does that take to get the full advantage of a diesel motor? They said at least 50k. For me unless we are talking about torque I have not reason to even look at them with all of the problems you have mentioned.....not to mention that diesel fuel is more as well. Thanks for this video.
I bet it’s 392 considering all specs and the fact you drove it already Trail Recon 392 :) can’t go back lol hope you get it considering Jeep is possibly cutting it out in place of the new 3.0 turbo in the near future \_/
never had the derating issue.
If your vehicle is overheating and it's a diesel clean your air filter
I towed from Florida to Texas in heat at 70+ mph no problem at all
Hi Casey : How about a 392 ?
Diesel vehicles are driven much more in Europe, so we learned how to solve problems. That EGR repair, which requires replacing the entire system is pure nonsense, especially on a car with low miles, because they don't want to go through the hassle of replacing parts. Replacing the EGR is not complicated at all. Often, simple removal and cleaning of the EGR can solve the problem, because particles of unburnt diesel cause it to get stuck and remain open, or closed, which is the better solution. And the used EGR itself costs about $150 for that engine, new is about $500.
I guess i missed, are you still stock or have any flash/tune?
Stock tune
What’s the engine temp when it starts derating?
I'm guessing the 392, the way your drove Brads 392, something in your head clicked and you paused.
Im guessing your going with the 3.6 for simplicity.Second maybe the 392,mpg is pretty low.
It should be Not legal to have a jeep or anything that requires diesel fluid and cuts power not allowing you to drive safely if it runs low, that’s like saying it’s legal to cut all but 1 cyl on a v6 or all but 2CyLS on a V8 if your check engine light comes on, it’s simply nuts..they should have a warning light,with a beeping sound come on, then use a exhaust bypass valve to prevent damage to the converters ,and give owners at least 100 miles to get the issue fix just incase a jeep is out in the Desert or something, and unable to get to a garage for repairs..that would also give dealers the ability to log the failure ,and then repair the issue or fill it up,and turn off the light for free..
I don't know why you make it such a mystery when we all know you ordered a 392....🤷♂️
As a guy who has watched you a while now, I have to ask, where is the JK and are you going to thrash it on the island trails again anytime soon?
How come Jeep can keep a 392 cool and not a 3 litre ? is it the wonders of DEF?
Would you consider a manual transmission?
Are u de-rating with your air conditioner running?
it was said that not endurable... is it true?
Now that the eco diesel has been canceled getting parts will be next to impossible.
That's not really hot when translated to Fahrenheit especially if you spend alot of time in desert.
Love your channel from Nanaimo! ❤
Thanks so much. Hi from Victoria
Let’s be real, the only Jeep you’d trade into is a hemi.
What was new jeep you are ordering?
It is in most of my recent videos. It's a Gladiator
My eco-diesel JGC set itself on fire, I drive a Toyota now.
Toyotas burn too. My 2017 4 runner got lemon law’d for ignition problems (not fire but maybe would have led to that)
Does the diesel smell ever go away? I got 7k on mine.
Not really.
Mine has no diesel smell if you know what diesels used to smell like but my dogs know when the diesel is come home from 1 mile away and sometimes when I watch an EcoDiesel on UA-cam - crazy that the engine sound is that unique to their ears. Love it!!
@@timgiorgetta4411 for sure. TBH I just think it was the owner before put one of those air FR shed bombs. The smell went away.
When I burn used cooking oil from Chinese restaurants in my OM617 it smells like fish because of the fish oil in the used Canola.
A 392?
These fellas aren’t mall crawling these Jeeps. They are driven hard. That may be some of their big issues. Most people will mall crawl these without issues
What kind of skid plates are those?
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