Another one irony is frm siren(know that the title is wrong) where master fu came to HAWKMOTH's house, and he is like, I'm gonna find the guardian of the miracle box...🤣
This is why we need to see Chat Noir showing Ladybug his more gentle and sensitive side, and Adrien needs to start showing Marinette his Chat side, so she can finally make the connection
I think they will. Whether 4 or 5 season. Why? Lies. Adrien is SLIIIGHTLY starting to show his cat noir side to kagami but she rejects it. Marinette is alike Ladybug, but adrien is nothing on cat noir. cat noir is his real self since adrien has to be perfect. He isnt a demigod, but he has to. and (probably) he only was himself only with her mom, and now shes gone. However, he can be himself, his real self, with lb which probably also made him fall deeper for her. Kagami didnt allow him to so, i think thats why he prefered lb. And as things are going (cat noir being kinda replaced) he will probably think "oh, i camt be myself not even with her anymore" and searched for another confort place: Marinette. so she'll get to know his real persona, i mean cat noir. she will probably think "oh, this dude i love can also be imperfect" and de-idealize him. Seeing him as a complex human rather than a perfect model. And she will fall for the human adrien too and boom! Made up on each other huh?
Actually Marinette never had her mind erased after the chat noir episode and she even went up to chair choir and said “oh it worked” and hugged him so she probably still remembers it’s him…Iike I’m pretty sure she knows Actually I just realized in the episode when she’s fighting against chat blanc she never find out he’s adrien he only reveals that he knows she’s marinette
This is why I think Marinette is more blind than Adrien. Because Adrien figured it out more than once. And as far as I can remember Marinette didn't even figure is out once. From what I remember she only found out when Adrien transformed right in front of her in cat blanc.
@@katelyn9412 In the beginning she's made such a big denial about it that even if they did come across even slightly similar, she's hardily convinced herself he isn't, but I kinda wonder how she feels about it now..?
The reason is Marinette shows her iner ladybug a lot even in front of adrien ,like she did it lots of times, while adrien never even shows a glimpse of his cat noir personality so it makes sense if Marinette thinks cat noir and adrien are 2 different people
Okay, but the whole thing with Mari not wanting Adrien and Chat to be the same person is kinda sad. That's why MariChat needs to happen so she realizes how wonderful Chat is as well.
Did anyone realize that in Kwami Buster Adrian saw ladybug and Mari in the same spot but then a few episodes later the cat blanc he completely forgot about that day and he just said you know what ladybug is Mari
@@lilenwasnothere6867 She didn't in the illusion though. But I think it's possible he just is able to deduce the Fox Miraculous could be why he saw Marinette and Ladybug in the same place twice. I mean he's seen *himself* being represented by the Fox before.
Chloe is Adrien’s lifelong friend, but he is mortified and disbelieving when he thinks that she could be ladybug. Yet when he finds out Marinette is ladybug he immediately runs to her, confesses his love, and kisses her. Yup, I have reached the conclusion that Adrien definitely wants Marinette to be ladybug
Lol, that means everyone is super blind. They should realized that its obvious that LB is not Chloe. Chloe has a blond hair and LB has a dark hair. There’s a huge differences. But then again, everyone is blind.
"The truth is, I have always seen you as more than a friend." - Adrien, Chat Blanc ep "Chat Noir may be annoying but he never lies" LB, Copycat ep ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Adrien/Cat Noir sees Marinette/Ladybug almost every day, how doesn't he make the conclusion at this point that she's ladybug literally at this point STALK HER.
@@silversunset Idk, I feel like its much easier to see the similarities between Marinette and ladybug than between chat noir and Adrien. Chat noir has an almost completely different personality from Adrien and the fact that his father is so strict would make it impossible to imagine that he could even leave his house let alone have a whole other life and be a superhero who shows up for every conflict Paris faces.
Remember in kwamibuster when tikki and plagg were sighted at school he thought Marinette was Ladybug but she used the fox miraculous to create a fake Marinette and Ladybug to throw him off her trail.
@@avaaa2787 bruh mostly everyone knows marinette likes adrien and some also think adrien likes marinette, in conclusion marinette and adrien are *BOTH BLIND* 😭🤌🏻
I like to believe that Adrien is at least partially in-denial because he is worried that considering Ladybug and Marinette being the same person could get his hopes up. I’m pretty sure he thinks, “No, holy crap, there’s no way I’m that lucky.”
PURR THAT'S TRUE 😭🙌 BUT GUYS A VOICE DIRECTOR JUST SPOILED US IN THE UPCOMING SEASON 4 EPISODES, HE MENTIONED A "CHATBLANC" AND "MARICHAT" 😃 WHICH MEANS.. CHAT/ADRIEN IS FINALLY LIKING MARI AND MARI/LB IS FANILLY LIKING CHAT.. OMFG BYEE
Also Thomas had shared the script of Cat Blanc on twoitter and it literally said that Plagg had never seen Adrien so happy in his life. And that there were happy tears in his eyes. LIKE SERIOUSLY COULD IT BE MORE OBVIOUS.
Maybe Adrien says ‘just a friend’ to Marinette cuz he thinks Marinette thinks of him as a friend and he doesn’t wanna ruin the relationship with that, so he takes his chance as a couple with Marinette in cat noir form. Example, when Marinette’s room was shown on tv in an episode (I forgot which one) Adrien kinda looked happy that Marinette liked him, but once Marinette said she just likes fashion, Adrien thought he lost his chance of being with with her. Omg this show has so many hidden meaningssssss
another one was when they were about to kiss in horrificator, when Cloe interrupted them he looked angry at Cloe (and he doesn't show anger often to Cloe) 😮
Personally i think Adrien does have a crush on Marinette he just doesn't want to give up his love for ladybug so Marinette being ladybug would be his dream come true
@@Mack-ei5qf not just that but Adrien couldn’t tell Mari liked him. Kagami was straightforward, and after ladybugs and Marinettes mixed signals it makes sense he would want something to be more straightforward.
He’s “oblivious” but like… he’s made the connection MULTIPLE times! Marinette hasn’t made any connection to him and Chat, at all, even when Alya showed the edited photo of him as Chat. If anything, she’s the blind one but that’s just my opinion.
I agree with you there and in the New York special Ayon says that the suits have quantum masking which is why they don't recognize each other. Also I think she hasn't made the connection because whenever we see Marichat he acts like a completely different person than he does as Adrien. As Chat Noir he's charming, witty, kinda stupid, silly and outgoing not to mention flirtatious but as Adrien he's kind of shy and sweet and innocent
Well it's easier for him to see the connection between her and Ladybug than it is to her between him and Cat Noir.😅 Marinette acts the same as Ladybug for Adrien to see the connection, while Adrien acts totally different as Cat Noir for Marinette to not see the connection lol. Adrien would have to do something for her to actually see it
I think the reason Marinette didn't make any connection was because she didn't intend to know Chat noir's identity from the beginning. On the other hand, Chat wants them to get closer and all since he is in love with her.
Adrien wants lady bug to be marinette cause he can never leave her alone and he always wants to be with her or her to be with him cause he trusts her more than a friend and you can tell he want marinette to be lady bug cause chat noir looked a little down after he seen "marinette wasn't lady bug," in kwami buster
also to add to this, for Americans the phrase "love at first sight" is something they add to the series, but its not "love at first sight" in France, its "touch at the clap of thunder". So in the Miraculous Origins episodes, the umbrella scene, if you listen really closely to the backround, as soon as Marinette trys to take the umbrella their hands touch and what do you hear? THUNDER. So we know that these two have had experience with "love at first sight" but many don't know about this. Now with this information we can also begin to conclude that he wants her to be Ladybug because, although only Marinette reacted to the situation of thunder, Adrien knew about it but didnt address it until these moments but only to Plagg. Thank you for your time.
The sad part is that ever since kwami-buster adrien wont think that marinette is ladybug 😭 Which will make him think some other girl is ladybug ( not talking about Kagami so yall dont come after me ) i stan kagami shes a queen
@@lmxzngxrlplayz6644 Uhh if you didnt see Marinette and Kagami are very good friends. Watch Mr. Pigeon 72 . And in the end of Mr. Pigeon 72 Kagami says " They are made for each other " Stop hating on her. She is a queen
I agree fully with your theory! I never really thought of it like that. I personally feel deep down in Adrien's heart (and very soul) he loves Marinette. This sounds kind of corny but I feel like both he and Marinette's souls love each other, though they might not understand it quite yet.
It's called Quantum Masking, as told by the NYC special the mask make it impossible to find out the users identity without being told directly, So even with the same hairstyle her identity will be safe
@@ZaeRod thats true, and idk if its just bc we all know the identities but i think its pretty obvious, or maybe its just bc we know literally all thier secrets-
@@ZaeRod Also sometimes they change completely, like when Max has the horse Miraculous he has a different hair style and Poly Mouse has like a hood : )
From the amount of times Adrien be so quick to open the idea that Marinette is Ladybug, would compare her qualities to Ladybug, and how he reacted when he found out she is Ladybug (which btw was so cute), it is clear that everything you said is accurate. People think Adrien is in denial or confused with his feelings for Marinette, but to me that's certainly not the case. He confirmed he always thought Marinette was more than just a friend to him which is enough said that he really do like her. But he's loyal to his feelings for Ladybug. And since he's in love with Ladybug and has feelings for Marinette, he clearly wants them to be the same person. Which they are🤗 Marinette however is the oblivious one. But in her defense Adrien acts totally different when he's Cat Noir.😅
I think that Marinette refuses to believe that he's Chat Noir because she rejected the love of her life and feels guilty about it and also because Adrien and Chat Noir are worlds apart since Adrien only shows his Chat side in a few scenes when he's Adrien
I think the reason why Marinette has no clue that Adrien is CN is because Adrien never presents himself as flirty or extroverted. In the beginning of the series, yes, Adrien was friendly to everyone but was only really close with Nino. By season 4 he now has the majority of his class as his close friends and is slowly becoming similar to CN personality wise. He is finally letting people see his true self. Marinette on the other hand always was herself inside and outside the costume. She developed more confidence in herself way quicker than Adrien since she has so much support from family and friends compared to Adrien. Also she has no want to know CN's identity, yet 😏
In kwamibuster when he was multimouse was marinette and was right next to ladybug, he kinda looked like he had sadness in his eyes when he saw them together and thought marinette wasn’t ladybug. Ah I’m so excited for the reveal whenever it gonna happen 😏🤩😩😊😌✨
adrien is comfortable with marinette. In the episode that they were going to london he didn't care that marinette was sleeping on his shoulders either.
Not to mention in Stormy weather 2 after seeing her handwriting he wants to connect it to the love letter (from dark cupid) that he believes is from Ladybug, but he only dismisses it because he doesn't believe Marinette could have wrote The Love Letter to him because she loves Luka and his mind and he is really disappointed when saying that
Here after watching Ephemeral. I noticed something. After Cat Blanc, Adrien's "crush" on Marinette becomes more and more obvious. Then there was that cute moment in GLACIATOR 2, when she spoke from the heart. Up until Ephemeral, Marinette, still will NOT believe Adrien is CHAT. Even after he told her in Ephemeral. Luka had to help her open her eyes before she could accept that fact. My point is that the same way Adrien has become comfortable with/in his (unknown) crush on Marinette, is the same way LB/Marinette needs to become comfortable with admitting some part of her really cares for/has a crush on CHAT NOIR. That is, the completion of the Love square dynamic. Once that happens, they can actually be together. Just a thought tho. Edit: Also that whole moment in Mr. Pigeon 72 where Adrien becomes clumsy.
YESSSSS YOU'RE SO RIGHTTTT (also I should be sleeping rn because it's night in my country but c'mon how can I miss your video?! Hsbdhrjwksoejfgehdkwodrb4irkw)
if you ever make another blind mari video in the episode "gamer" when there is around 6 minutes left chat noir says "chat noir style BOO YAH!" but earlier in the same episode mari says the same thing
*I wonder how marinette didn’t get aqumatized when she was upset about her and luka breaking up and how she also had a lot of negative emotions,hockmoth can sense negotiate emotions but never sensed marionettes when she was crying*
One big thing is that he's shown to be really affectionate and flirty with the people he's in love with (He's always complimenting Ladybug or giving her gifts as well as wanting to touch her) and he literally loves slow dancing with Marinette in romantic settings lol. Not to mention they're the only ones who have exchanged gifts with each other that actually have importance (he has the bracelet on at all times) yet with Kagami, the one he supposedly also has feelings for, he's hesitant to even hold hands with her. And why is it that everyone gets the feeling he likes Marinette and he's constantly having to say no? Even Plagg got those vibes after he run after Marinette while they were on a date with Kagami and Luka. It's obvious he has a thing for Marinette and he thinks very highly of her (he even started teasing her in that one episode which makes her the first person to ever see him displaying his cat noir persona while as Adrien) and the only thing holding him back is his love for Ladybug
imagine. if the 2 sisters finally started to get along and Zoë assures Chloe that she won’t see Chloe as a monster like everyone else does after what she did at the end of s3. So now Chloe doesn't want to lose her and then they get in a situation where ladybug had to give one of em a miraculous and she obviously chooses Zoe not just that. she gives her bee one and because of the situation she has to give it in front of Chloe. And Chloe now afraid of losing her sister and only person who doesn’t see her as a monster supports Zoe even though she hates it that Zoe is now using bee miraculous. the ep ends with Zoe saving the day and Chloe being happy for her still have her attitude ofcourse. she waves Zoe off with a moderate smile and then goes to her room closes the door and just breaks down crying on the ground showing how much she actually regrets her decision of being bad in last season and how much it actually effects her despite her not showing anything at all and ep ends with that wallpaper kind of thing where Chloe’s is crying on ground with her back to us. soon after optigami, Zoe becomes the only person (apart from ladybug and chat noir) who’s identity is secret from hawkmoth so ladybug decides to leave miraculous with her permanently cuz giving and taking would be risky for identity and chloe too keeps it a secret and sometimes tries to help zoe with powers as she has experience with it. Shes still resentful and doesnt like ladybug at all but she likes her sister. chloe's relationship with zoe effects chloe in ways she didnt even noticed, she starts to be a better person even if no ones watching, she stop and reduces her bullying of others drastically and starts to respect others as human beings and doesnt see them below her. thanks to her s3 actions she has less confidence though nobody can see that and she blames herself for this situation. her change in charcater is also noticed my adrien and he starts to repect her once again and more than before and now is great friends with her and woul stand up for her if needed though chloe is still confident enough with attitude that she can defend herself. Adrien and chloes growing friendship is obviously isnt taken well by marinette, but since marinette like adrien, this makes her actually acknowledge chloe and see that shes not as bad anymore as she had though, as a matter of fact shes acually not that bad. this will also effect marinettes character as well as adriens . later near or at the end of season zoe is in bad condition and ladybug and other heros are in dire need of help. Zoe is able to slip out of battle and finds chloe. Seeing the situation, chloe takes the miraculous and once again becomes queen bee and fights, also trying to take revenge for causing her so much emotional pain after the miracle queen episode. She sneaks up on hawkmoth with venom, but he barely dodges it and it hits Mayora, and the fight continues. At that time, Lila too would have been developed more as a villian and she would also be in the fight helping hawkmoth, maybe she was akumatised. But i would like to imagine that she would have some miraculous Personally I prefer that hawkmoth would steal the fox miraculous from Alya for lila, as we know lila is into the fox miraculous from Vulpina. This time however, she will be using real fox miraculous and she could also have same design as Vulpina though change of design could show development. However her name will still be the same marking the return of Vulpina. Chloe would face off Vulpina as queen bee. it would be fun to see 2 characters who were initially evil (lila and chloe) face off each other. this will show that lila and chloe cannot be compared as chloe isnt actually evil. this image of chloe if compared to her season 1 chloe, would be completely or hugely opposite showing that she has grown as a person and character. meanwhile, lila, also changed but opposite of chloe, she grew to be more and more evil and sickening. although lila would grow more evil, this will still mean that she HAS grown as a character. I would like to make Lila as villain for chloe rather than for ladybug and other heros, as lila and chloe were similar at 1st and now are opposite. ladybug and other heros have hawkmoth and mayora to take care of. and chloe can be a hero in this senario while lila, the villain. Meanwhile, now Alya is left alone without a miraculous and she runs to get a new miraculous to help her friends and team, she is least hurt. She takes a miraculous that has the power of healing. She uses this to heal chat noir and Ladybug and not other heros as healing powers are limited. Prior to all this, ladybug had called that new guardian from that one episode to get his help to solve some questions about miraculouses and guardians. And he arrives to see all the disaster and naturally gets involved. Alya is healing the 2 heros but it takes time and the other heros are out of the fight as alya cannot help them, it is out of her limits. Now, Queen bee vs Vulpina and gaurdian vs Hawkmoth, while alya heals the 2 main back up. The 2 main are ready to fight again though they are still exhausted and alya used all her power and now is out of the fight. Vulpina and Queen bee fight and slip away from the others and are now isolated and fighting each other going toe to toe. Queen bee struggles as it was month that she last used the miraculous and pollen is also tired from transforming Zoe which is affecting the amount of power the kwami able to give chloe. But the heros arnt the only one injured, hawkmoth has a bad arm because of chatnoir and mayora loses her miraculous to ladybug as she is paralyzed, which ladybug took advantage of. Realising whats at stake, he calls for retreat and picks up natalie and calls for vulpinas help being outnumbered. Vulpina runs in hawkmoths direction and chloe stands still catching her breath thinking that she needs more practice to defeat her and another round with vulpina will surely end in queen bees defeat. However Vulpina seeing the opportunity betrays him, she trys to take his butterfly miraculous but underestimates the experienced holder. Hawkmoth finally finds way out and Vulpina too separates and retreats somewhere else from him now clearly no longer being his partner. The heros try to chase them but the guardian stops the heros saying they are too strong and kwamis need a long rest to give the heros even a single more transformation. Queen Bee and Vulpina will have a round 2 at the end of the next season in which queen bee would show to be stronger than this time. After all of that (remember zoe was there for a few months only) so zoe passes the miraculous onto chloe, she initially denies but then accepts and ofc ladybug asks for it back. Chloe refuses saying that she has no interest in power or miraculouses anymore but this is the only sign that theres still one person who believes in her, and its too important for her to just hand it backeven tho ladybug is the guardian. And since marinette previously had realised that chloe isnt a bad person or atleast not anymore, adding how she now just saved/helped everyone she chooses to trust chloe once again though not too much. chloe more or less becomes and anti hero she doesnt always show up to help ladybug but she doesnt use anything for bad either. She only uses it sometimes to help herself or sabrina/ her family/friends or other helpless pple when they are danger but she avoids other heros because she still doesnt think they like her and she isnt all that fond of most of them either. ik its never gonna happen cuz the writter just straight out called her a bad and mean person but i really liked how she was changing in s2 so im still gonna like her in this way. I also like how in this fanfiction also effects other characters and not just chloe, like they are all webed together .Zoe is just a replacement of chloe, even though writer said shes not, she is, but i still like her for who zoe is. chloe left a hole and he used zoe to try to fill it not understanding the only character that can fill that hole is chloe herself. and he wont bring chloe back because i think hes trying to annoy the chloe fans after he got backlash for how he ruined her character. so now he has to get a replacement for her. I can still see a lot of potential for both chloe and zoe and their relationship as sisters. I just dont understand why give chloe soo much character development and just waste her. But that’s all my opinion, no hate to the writer, its just my critique. And just to make it clear I do like zoe, and I would love her if she does something like what I wrote. you can add if you want and lemme know do you think writter did chloe justice by refusing to finish her arc or not. you are allowed to disagree with me. sry fir spellings.
This is a good but you can't just say Zoe is a replacement for Chloe, you didnt make MLB so you don't know. I dont think Mari would ever trust Chloe with the bee miraculous tho, That guardian might figure out and take the miracle box from her.
I've thought the same thiing~ he's so open to the idea that she could be his lady! i guess he has a subconscious internal conflict from seeing all these similarities between the love of his life and his good friend, that he actually has to always say it out loud to remind himself that Marinette is just his friend and the one he likes is LB lol. If they're the same person, then that solves a lot of problems for him!:) Meanwhile, Mari's so deep in denial that she immediately shots down any comparison between Cat and her perfect prince. She did accept him in Chat Blanc, but she needs to see the 'Cat' side of Adrien and look beyond her image of him. Cuz otherwise, she might react to him the way Kagami did in the art room (I like Kagami, don't get me wrong, but she was forcing her image of Adrien on him that when he tried to show his funny side to her, she just said, this isnt you). I rly wanna see how these two would react if/when the reveal happens.^^
I think that Adrien has a crush on Marinette, but doesn't want to admit it because he already loves ladybug, hence why he was so happy when he figured out she was ladybug in cat blanc. I really want it to turn out the way it did in cat blanc, minus the literal end of the world lol
Ik marinette Dosent want adrien to be chat noir but that was back in Season 1 where she truly didn’t have any affection towards chat noir but as we can see now in the newer seasons she’s warming up with affection more as we can tell. She would probably be shocked but happy.
i wish there could be an episode that’s set up in one of those ways where the day repeats of adrien finding out who ladybug is, like lila, alya, sabrina, zoé, AND marinette, and how he only really is happy and loves lb’s civilian self when he finds out that it’s mari. of course there would probably be some bunnix magic happening but you get the point lol.
Adrien loves Marinette even tho he says that she's 'Just a friend'. In chat blanc he said he's ALWAYS felt like she was more than 'Just a friend' never give up on Adrienette guys #Adrienette 4eva ❤️
I wonder when ever the reveal when it happens I wonder if adriens reaction towards marinette being ladybug it most likely be similar to the reaction in the cat blanc except he might be more nervous with a mixture of excitement but what reaction will marinette have towards Adrien being cat noir she will be shocked of course but she might feel she might be responsible of cat noir being akumatized in the first place plus she might think that Adrien he only loved her because she's ladybug she might stay away from him for a while until Adrien talks reason with her and he will try to get stronger and promises her that he won't get akumatized. I'm not sure what's going to happen for the reveal but I'm so looking forward to it
I agree, and I wonder if Adrien's mother had a smiliar personality as well? I think Adrien will be happy that it is Mari underneath the Ladybug mask, though I think he will be surprised and maybe will take some time to process it
Also, in cat blanc, when he meet marinette with her friends, he said that "I know that you're not just a friend of me. I've always feel that you're more than just that. And now I know why." Then marinette said, "It means that you like the beret?" Then he finally said, "It means that I love you."
Well for Mari thought on adrien is cat noir I think she would have believed it if she found out because they both have different personalities and Mari likes cat noir for his personality she just sees it to be unbelievable to her
Here is something I say when he calls her just a friend... He says this trying to convince himself that he has no feelings for her... But he looks at her in a similar way as he does ladybug!
i might have a crush on adrien but.. JUST A FIREND we could be getting marryed and it would be like "do you take moegan to be your wife " "shes just a firend but i do"
Marinette: Why can't I find a guy like this *shows picture of Adrien* Chat Noir: Hey! Marinette: Eww no. Chat noir: I am literally the guy in the picture.
I am new to your channel . I ❤️ed the video . The points you mentioned makes it clear that Adrien isn't that Blind 🤣 . I think Marinett doesn't connect Cat noir and Adrien because for her it doesn't make sense , Adrien never shows his cat noir side I mean , if he starts joking around , Marinett can at least once try to figure it.
I see Adrien and Cat Noir as two different people too. I also think that Adrien's true personality is the Cat Noir side which Adrien doesn't really show to the others. So it kinda makes sense why Marinette thinks he's not Cat Noir since Adrien doesn't act like Cat Noir either besides that one scene of Kagami and Adrian in the art room, when Kagami want's to sketch him and Adrian poses as Cat Noir. But Kagami was like "that's so not you". Marinette sees Cat Noir as a flirty kitty goof which she couldn't see that to Adrian since Adrian never showed that except for Ladybug or Marinette.
And to go with the fact adrien doesn't want Chloe to be the girl he loves, (ladybug) remember when Chloe went to kiss him and he looked uncomfortable/disgusted and when Marinette was about to kiss him for the horror movie, he went along with it without looking uncomfortable
Adrien to Marinette: Your our everyday Ladybug
Me: SHE IS LITERALLY LADYBUG EVERYDAY
IKR
Oh the irony
IKR
Another one irony is frm siren(know that the title is wrong) where master fu came to HAWKMOTH's house, and he is like, I'm gonna find the guardian of the miracle box...🤣
Hahahaha 🤣😅😆
This is why we need to see Chat Noir showing Ladybug his more gentle and sensitive side, and Adrien needs to start showing Marinette his Chat side, so she can finally make the connection
EXACTLY that locker scene adrien was noice but ain’t gonna cut it
YES YES YES
I think they will. Whether 4 or 5 season. Why? Lies. Adrien is SLIIIGHTLY starting to show his cat noir side to kagami but she rejects it. Marinette is alike Ladybug, but adrien is nothing on cat noir. cat noir is his real self since adrien has to be perfect. He isnt a demigod, but he has to. and (probably) he only was himself only with her mom, and now shes gone. However, he can be himself, his real self, with lb which probably also made him fall deeper for her. Kagami didnt allow him to so, i think thats why he prefered lb.
And as things are going (cat noir being kinda replaced) he will probably think "oh, i camt be myself not even with her anymore" and searched for another confort place: Marinette. so she'll get to know his real persona, i mean cat noir. she will probably think "oh, this dude i love can also be imperfect" and de-idealize him. Seeing him as a complex human rather than a perfect model. And she will fall for the human adrien too and boom! Made up on each other huh?
@@beremeansdancing7 in Bere we trust !!! I really am looking forward to seeing something like this in the series !!
Actually Marinette never had her mind erased after the chat noir episode and she even went up to chair choir and said “oh it worked” and hugged him so she probably still remembers it’s him…Iike I’m pretty sure she knows
Actually I just realized in the episode when she’s fighting against chat blanc she never find out he’s adrien he only reveals that he knows she’s marinette
In Cat Blanc he was really happy it was her and I don’t think he would want it to be anyone else.
Edit: Tysm for the likes
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@@mariaalava9553 Yknow, his dad akumatized him.
I think it’s true, considering how grossed out he was finding out how it could have been Chloe.
Exactly
@@OfficialDeanAdler only because chloe is not a good person im sure with it was alya he would just be ok with it
Chat Noir did look kind of sad in Kwami Buster when he saw that Marinette wasn’t Ladybug…
Yeah
Yea
True
but look: the hair is the same the color the relflections ( probaly nnothing to do with it- ) the rubber bands the eyes, like O>O
@@NezukoKamado-we2rd fr
Adrian wants Mari to be ladybug because he has a crush on her but just doesn't know it
I agree
Yes
YAS
I agree
I agree
If Marinette likes Adrien knows his schedule by heart, etc, BUT SHE CANT REMEMBER THE DUDES FREAKING VOICE!?!?!? TF, T-F
FRRRR
Its the suits magic that confuses human brains
Chat doesn’t speak the same way Adrien does, I mean he literally talks in puns- unlike Adrien who is more “normal?”
@@yez9475 but they literally talk to each other behind walls when they’re detransformed...
@@deadroach5735 yeah, idk about that
lol marinette doesn’t want Adrien to be chat noir but Adrien wants Mari to be ladybug the reveal is gonna be kinda funny 😆
LMAO-
I can imagine that HAHAHAHAHAH
Yassss
True lol
That would be funny to watch lol
Adrien: she’s just a friend
Cat noir: HelLo PuRrInceSs
@@tamannasaifullah9292 ikr😂🥀
@@tamannasaifullah9292 like literally adrien’s flirt mode is on when when he’s Chat noir and when with Marinette 😂✌️
@@nilukshikarunarathne9488 Adrien is so confusing or maybe he doesn't want to destroy him and Marinette friendship
XD ikr
Also cat noir: checks her out and flexed his muscles in front of her
This is why I think Marinette is more blind than Adrien. Because Adrien figured it out more than once. And as far as I can remember Marinette didn't even figure is out once. From what I remember she only found out when Adrien transformed right in front of her in cat blanc.
EXACTLYYYY I THINK THE SAME THING
EXACTLY AT LEAST ADRIEN HAD A THOUGHT IN HIS HEAD ABOUT MARINETTE BEING LADYBUG WHILE MARINETTE DOESNT 😩
Everyone calls Adrien dumb, but no one realizes that he's often smarter than all characters in Miraculous.
@@katelyn9412 In the beginning she's made such a big denial about it that even if they did come across even slightly similar, she's hardily convinced herself he isn't, but I kinda wonder how she feels about it now..?
The reason is Marinette shows her iner ladybug a lot even in front of adrien ,like she did it lots of times, while adrien never even shows a glimpse of his cat noir personality so it makes sense if Marinette thinks cat noir and adrien are 2 different people
Okay, but the whole thing with Mari not wanting Adrien and Chat to be the same person is kinda sad. That's why MariChat needs to happen so she realizes how wonderful Chat is as well.
Yes👏👏
marichat supremacy
Underrated commentttt💎
Marichat let's goooo💃💃
MarICHAT SUPREMACYYYY
I read the title as “proof adrien wants to be ladybug”
Same lol
Well he was MisterBug 😂
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@AshysWolfie19 true the swap ladybug/chat noir
SAMEEE
Is it me or are we all tired of Adrien calling Marinette “ Just A Friend”.
I am to
ig it's adrien's way of saying "i love marinette"🥱
YES
Nino: hey bro do you love Marionette?
Adrien: “she’s just a friend”
Nino: *dude I was at your wedding-*
Bruh same its get me maaaaaaaaaaad but i will let some on explain this
Did anyone realize that in Kwami Buster Adrian saw ladybug and Mari in the same spot but then a few episodes later the cat blanc he completely forgot about that day and he just said you know what ladybug is Mari
The power of wishful thinking, my friend.
See pretty sure the episodes don’t follow a timeline per say
to be fair they looked exactly the same and i believe he did see multimouse had multiple miraculous
to be fair they looked exactly the same and i believe he did see multimouse had multiple miraculous
@@lilenwasnothere6867 She didn't in the illusion though. But I think it's possible he just is able to deduce the Fox Miraculous could be why he saw Marinette and Ladybug in the same place twice. I mean he's seen *himself* being represented by the Fox before.
Chloe is Adrien’s lifelong friend, but he is mortified and disbelieving when he thinks that she could be ladybug. Yet when he finds out Marinette is ladybug he immediately runs to her, confesses his love, and kisses her. Yup, I have reached the conclusion that Adrien definitely wants Marinette to be ladybug
Lol, that means everyone is super blind. They should realized that its obvious that LB is not Chloe. Chloe has a blond hair and LB has a dark hair. There’s a huge differences. But then again, everyone is blind.
Yesss ahhh that is a great point!! he really runs out of his house and confesses to her.🤩🤩
HAHA right?? like Plagg said, “people are blind” 😆😆😆
@@elahdesigned Maybe the magic of the suits cover that too?
@@inamiflet365 well they’re not Hawkmoth
"The truth is, I have always seen you as more than a friend." - Adrien, Chat Blanc ep
"Chat Noir may be annoying but he never lies" LB, Copycat ep
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Adrien lies, but Chat Noir doesn’t. *cue episode Lies*.
@@silversunset he was protecting his identity. Plus chat and adrien r the same person
@@silversunset Marinette and Adrien have to lie to keep their identities a secret.
@Brooklyn VillaTiznado Maybe, but I remember CN asking LB if he has ever lied to her....
OMGGGGGGGGGGGG I HAVE TRIED TO TELL EVERYONE THIS FOR 1 YEAAAAAR FINALLY SOMEONE WHO NOTICES
Cn: whoever she is beneath that mask, I love that girl
Adrien when he realizes lb is Chloe: well, nevermind
Edit : tysm guys for so many likes
hahahahahah
Lmao💀💀💀💀💀😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣
OW, That's painful 😂😭💀
THAT'S SO TRUE LMFAOO
Now that hurts😂
Adrien/Cat Noir sees Marinette/Ladybug almost every day, how doesn't he make the conclusion at this point that she's ladybug literally at this point STALK HER.
Well, it’s kind of a double standard. Like Marinette stalks Adrien but she hasn’t found out that he is Cat Noir yet either.
It’s the suit, in a episode ladybug said their suits were magic
@@silversunset Idk, I feel like its much easier to see the similarities between Marinette and ladybug than between chat noir and Adrien. Chat noir has an almost completely different personality from Adrien and the fact that his father is so strict would make it impossible to imagine that he could even leave his house let alone have a whole other life and be a superhero who shows up for every conflict Paris faces.
Remember in kwamibuster when tikki and plagg were sighted at school he thought Marinette was Ladybug but she used the fox miraculous to create a fake Marinette and Ladybug to throw him off her trail.
@@vermiciosknid9629 And in Gorizilla Chat Noir got that Adrien fan to pretend to be himself
The fact that he compares a friend to the love of his life..
AND yet, people call this boy blind.
*HE REALLY IS THOOOO BLINDER THAN KAGAMI'S MAMA*
IKR MARINETTE IS ALSO BLIND THEY’RE *BOTH BLIND*
@@zellachan1265 NO EVERYONE EXCEPT KAGAMIS MOM
@@zellachan1265 *BRUH THAT PROVES THEY'RE MADE FOR EACH OTHER LMAOOO*
@@avaaa2787 bruh mostly everyone knows marinette likes adrien and some also think adrien likes marinette, in conclusion marinette and adrien are *BOTH BLIND* 😭🤌🏻
notice in chat blanc, his words weren’t “marinette is LADYBUG🥰” they were “ladybug is MARINETTE🥰”
I like to believe that Adrien is at least partially in-denial because he is worried that considering Ladybug and Marinette being the same person could get his hopes up. I’m pretty sure he thinks, “No, holy crap, there’s no way I’m that lucky.”
I love this
That one dislike is Lila being jealous 😒✋
YESS ur so right 😌😌
nah the 77 dislikes is lila being jealous 76 times more
More like lie-la
Plus her alt accounts
Anyone notice he hasn't called her 'just a friend' in season 4 yet
Oooofff ur righttttttt
PURR THAT'S TRUE 😭🙌 BUT GUYS A VOICE DIRECTOR JUST SPOILED US IN THE UPCOMING SEASON 4 EPISODES, HE MENTIONED A "CHATBLANC" AND "MARICHAT" 😃 WHICH MEANS.. CHAT/ADRIEN IS FINALLY LIKING MARI AND MARI/LB IS FANILLY LIKING CHAT.. OMFG BYEE
You have point.
where can I watch season 4?
I can’t watch it in America yet😭🤚
adrien: “you’re our everyday ladybug”
me: well she is ladybug every day sooo
Also Thomas had shared the script of Cat Blanc on twoitter and it literally said that Plagg had never seen Adrien so happy in his life. And that there were happy tears in his eyes. LIKE SERIOUSLY COULD IT BE MORE OBVIOUS.
@𝙹𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝙶𝚘𝚗𝚣𝚊𝚕𝚎𝚣 ikr!
Maybe Adrien says ‘just a friend’ to Marinette cuz he thinks Marinette thinks of him as a friend and he doesn’t wanna ruin the relationship with that, so he takes his chance as a couple with Marinette in cat noir form. Example, when Marinette’s room was shown on tv in an episode (I forgot which one) Adrien kinda looked happy that Marinette liked him, but once Marinette said she just likes fashion, Adrien thought he lost his chance of being with with her.
Omg this show has so many hidden meaningssssss
Season 2 Troublemaker
So that’s all mean that Adrien likes Marinette too and not “just a friend”
He probably thinks that Marinette doesn't like him as a crush, so he prob doesn't want to ruin the friendship.
@@Cr0mvh1 you have a point!
It could be how when Marrinete thinks of him as just a friend she doesn't stutter.
another one was when they were about to kiss in horrificator, when Cloe interrupted them he looked angry at Cloe (and he doesn't show anger often to Cloe) 😮
Personally i think Adrien does have a crush on Marinette he just doesn't want to give up his love for ladybug so Marinette being ladybug would be his dream come true
RIGHT?!
EXACTLY
And then he went to kagami bc he assumed Mari and luka were a thing.
@@Mack-ei5qf not just that but Adrien couldn’t tell Mari liked him. Kagami was straightforward, and after ladybugs and Marinettes mixed signals it makes sense he would want something to be more straightforward.
It explained in the wall between us song
Marinette is one of Adrien's important people
Adrien: She's just a friend
Marinette To Luka:
He's just a FRIEND
@@coffee_wolfie2341 Domino effect
Now I'm just waiting for the time where Marinette will want Adrien to be Cat Noir!!!
Omg yessssss
He’s “oblivious” but like… he’s made the connection MULTIPLE times! Marinette hasn’t made any connection to him and Chat, at all, even when Alya showed the edited photo of him as Chat. If anything, she’s the blind one but that’s just my opinion.
I agree with you there and in the New York special Ayon says that the suits have quantum masking which is why they don't recognize each other. Also I think she hasn't made the connection because whenever we see Marichat he acts like a completely different person than he does as Adrien. As Chat Noir he's charming, witty, kinda stupid, silly and outgoing not to mention flirtatious but as Adrien he's kind of shy and sweet and innocent
Well it's easier for him to see the connection between her and Ladybug than it is to her between him and Cat Noir.😅 Marinette acts the same as Ladybug for Adrien to see the connection, while Adrien acts totally different as Cat Noir for Marinette to not see the connection lol. Adrien would have to do something for her to actually see it
@@emonirocks4638 he not only acts different but have you seen the edited pictures of Adrien with chat's hair? It looks so weird lol
I think the reason Marinette didn't make any connection was because she didn't intend to know Chat noir's identity from the beginning. On the other hand, Chat wants them to get closer and all since he is in love with her.
Adrien wants lady bug to be marinette cause he can never leave her alone and he always wants to be with her or her to be with him cause he trusts her more than a friend and you can tell he want marinette to be lady bug cause chat noir looked a little down after he seen "marinette wasn't lady bug," in kwami buster
also to add to this, for Americans the phrase "love at first sight" is something they add to the series, but its not "love at first sight" in France, its "touch at the clap of thunder". So in the Miraculous Origins episodes, the umbrella scene, if you listen really closely to the backround, as soon as Marinette trys to take the umbrella their hands touch and what do you hear? THUNDER. So we know that these two have had experience with "love at first sight" but many don't know about this. Now with this information we can also begin to conclude that he wants her to be Ladybug because, although only Marinette reacted to the situation of thunder, Adrien knew about it but didnt address it until these moments but only to Plagg. Thank you for your time.
Theory: In cat blanc he actually was at the eye doctor and that's why he noticed so quikcly.
*inserts coolest name here* ikr
The sad part is that ever since kwami-buster adrien wont think that marinette is ladybug 😭 Which will make him think some other girl is ladybug ( not talking about Kagami so yall dont come after me ) i stan kagami shes a queen
Kayaking is not a queen! KAGAMI STEAL ADRIEN FROM MARINETTE
@@lmxzngxrlplayz6644 Uhh if you didnt see Marinette and Kagami are very good friends. Watch Mr. Pigeon 72 . And in the end of Mr. Pigeon 72 Kagami says " They are made for each other " Stop hating on her. She is a queen
@@lmxzngxrlplayz6644 Also mrs.girl its STOLE not STEAL and why you hating in a character that isnt even real???
Kagami has better character than Marinnette
Didn't he because cat blanc actually took place after kwami buster
I agree fully with your theory! I never really thought of it like that. I personally feel deep down in Adrien's heart (and very soul) he loves Marinette. This sounds kind of corny but I feel like both he and Marinette's souls love each other, though they might not understand it quite yet.
It is my belief and many other characters in MLB&CN that they are soulmates, in other words, they are made for eachother.
ok if marinette wants to keep her identity as marinette a secret maybe she she at least, oh i dont know
change your HAIRSTYLE?!
It's called Quantum Masking, as told by the NYC special the mask make it impossible to find out the users identity without being told directly, So even with the same hairstyle her identity will be safe
@@ZaeRod thats true, and idk if its just bc we all know the identities but i think its pretty obvious, or maybe its just bc we know literally all thier secrets-
@@ZaeRod
Also sometimes they change completely, like when Max has the horse Miraculous he has a different hair style and Poly Mouse has like a hood : )
From the amount of times Adrien be so quick to open the idea that Marinette is Ladybug, would compare her qualities to Ladybug, and how he reacted when he found out she is Ladybug (which btw was so cute), it is clear that everything you said is accurate. People think Adrien is in denial or confused with his feelings for Marinette, but to me that's certainly not the case. He confirmed he always thought Marinette was more than just a friend to him which is enough said that he really do like her. But he's loyal to his feelings for Ladybug. And since he's in love with Ladybug and has feelings for Marinette, he clearly wants them to be the same person. Which they are🤗
Marinette however is the oblivious one. But in her defense Adrien acts totally different when he's Cat Noir.😅
I can’t wait till the reveal in season 5 I need adrienette to sail now 😭
I wish it was in season 444444
How can I watch full season
Actually, it's going to happen in season 7, 2 more seasons are comfirmed
@@AGdollstar12 NO NOT MORE SEASON PLEASE WATCH ME BECOMING 23 YEARS OLD AND THE SEASON 7 IS NOT OUT YET IM CRYING BYE
@@nursharina2917 Look at it on the bright side, they'll be more Adrinette, Marichat and Ladrien for years to come
"Oh yea. Its all coming together!"
I think that Marinette refuses to believe that he's Chat Noir because she rejected the love of her life and feels guilty about it and also because Adrien and Chat Noir are worlds apart since Adrien only shows his Chat side in a few scenes when he's Adrien
I think the reason why Marinette has no clue that Adrien is CN is because Adrien never presents himself as flirty or extroverted. In the beginning of the series, yes, Adrien was friendly to everyone but was only really close with Nino. By season 4 he now has the majority of his class as his close friends and is slowly becoming similar to CN personality wise. He is finally letting people see his true self. Marinette on the other hand always was herself inside and outside the costume. She developed more confidence in herself way quicker than Adrien since she has so much support from family and friends compared to Adrien.
Also she has no want to know CN's identity, yet 😏
ahaha season 5 changed everything
Discription on Cat Noir = A cat who likes making puns xD
not me dying of laughter bc of "Just a FRIEND TM"
In kwamibuster when he was multimouse was marinette and was right next to ladybug, he kinda looked like he had sadness in his eyes when he saw them together and thought marinette wasn’t ladybug. Ah I’m so excited for the reveal whenever it gonna happen 😏🤩😩😊😌✨
He was sad bc he thought he found the identity of the lady he loves
Ikr 🥺🥺
I guess she doesn't want to see Adrien as chat noir because he would have a mental breakdown of how she rejected him over and over
adrien is comfortable with marinette. In the episode that they were going to london he didn't care that marinette was sleeping on his shoulders either.
Just the way he looks at her tells it all🥺🤍
Also why would he compare the love of his life to his “jUsT A friEnD!”
In miraculous “jUsT A friEnD” means the love of my life lol
Not to mention in Stormy weather 2 after seeing her handwriting he wants to connect it to the love letter (from dark cupid) that he believes is from Ladybug, but he only dismisses it because he doesn't believe Marinette could have wrote The Love Letter to him because she loves Luka and his mind and he is really disappointed when saying that
I like how Adrien compares Ladybug to Marinette…and he’s in love with Ladybug…
Adrian wants Marinette to be ladybug.
Fandom: welp lucky you Adrian!
Here after watching Ephemeral. I noticed something. After Cat Blanc, Adrien's "crush" on Marinette becomes more and more obvious. Then there was that cute moment in GLACIATOR 2, when she spoke from the heart. Up until Ephemeral, Marinette, still will NOT believe Adrien is CHAT. Even after he told her in Ephemeral. Luka had to help her open her eyes before she could accept that fact.
My point is that the same way Adrien has become comfortable with/in his (unknown) crush on Marinette, is the same way LB/Marinette needs to become comfortable with admitting some part of her really cares for/has a crush on CHAT NOIR. That is, the completion of the Love square dynamic. Once that happens, they can actually be together. Just a thought tho.
Edit: Also that whole moment in Mr. Pigeon 72 where Adrien becomes clumsy.
How many more episodes left though?
YESSSSS YOU'RE SO RIGHTTTT
(also I should be sleeping rn because it's night in my country but c'mon how can I miss your video?! Hsbdhrjwksoejfgehdkwodrb4irkw)
Also I LOVE the points you made!!!
Hiii! LOL oh noo 😆 you’re gonna be all sleep deprived because of me. Thanks for coming to watch! Ur the best! 😆😁
Ahhh THANK U!! 🥺
@@MiraculouslyLazy it’s 1 am in my country
Btw amazing points
Tbh tho ladybug's voice is kinda deeper than mariette
Also people have been making ladybug transform infront of everyone
IN THE KISS SCENE HE SAID “I always loved you” LIKE WHAT?!
if you ever make another blind mari video in the episode "gamer" when there is around 6 minutes left chat noir says "chat noir style BOO YAH!" but earlier in the same episode mari says the same thing
so does her dad
he said bugaBOO not boo yah
Deep down inside he wants it to be her but theres one thing stopping him!
SJAF!!
*I wonder how marinette didn’t get aqumatized when she was upset about her and luka breaking up and how she also had a lot of negative emotions,hockmoth can sense negotiate emotions but never sensed marionettes when she was crying*
That is strange yet he sensed her negative emotions when she was forced to break up with Adrien in Cat Blanc :/
@@emonirocks4638 ikr
No there is one scene where she was almost aqumatized in the bathroom but I think Tiki gets her to think positively.
I'm sorry but, *hockmoth* 😭
From Miraculous I have formed one conclusion:
Adrien and Marinette's relationship is just mind-recking
One big thing is that he's shown to be really affectionate and flirty with the people he's in love with (He's always complimenting Ladybug or giving her gifts as well as wanting to touch her) and he literally loves slow dancing with Marinette in romantic settings lol. Not to mention they're the only ones who have exchanged gifts with each other that actually have importance (he has the bracelet on at all times) yet with Kagami, the one he supposedly also has feelings for, he's hesitant to even hold hands with her. And why is it that everyone gets the feeling he likes Marinette and he's constantly having to say no? Even Plagg got those vibes after he run after Marinette while they were on a date with Kagami and Luka. It's obvious he has a thing for Marinette and he thinks very highly of her (he even started teasing her in that one episode which makes her the first person to ever see him displaying his cat noir persona while as Adrien) and the only thing holding him back is his love for Ladybug
Adrien when he finds out Marinette is Ladybug: I wanted it to be you. I wanted it to be you so bad.
imagine. if the 2 sisters finally started to get along and Zoë assures Chloe that she won’t see Chloe as a monster like everyone else does after what she did at the end of s3. So now Chloe doesn't want to lose her and then they get in a situation where ladybug had to give one of em a miraculous and she obviously chooses Zoe not just that. she gives her bee one and because of the situation she has to give it in front of Chloe. And Chloe now afraid of losing her sister and only person who doesn’t see her as a monster supports Zoe even though she hates it that Zoe is now using bee miraculous. the ep ends with Zoe saving the day and Chloe being happy for her still have her attitude ofcourse. she waves Zoe off with a moderate smile and then goes to her room closes the door and just breaks down crying on the ground showing how much she actually regrets her decision of being bad in last season and how much it actually effects her despite her not showing anything at all and ep ends with that wallpaper kind of thing where Chloe’s is crying on ground with her back to us. soon after optigami, Zoe becomes the only person (apart from ladybug and chat noir) who’s identity is secret from hawkmoth so ladybug decides to leave miraculous with her permanently cuz giving and taking would be risky for identity and chloe too keeps it a secret and sometimes tries to help zoe with powers as she has experience with it. Shes still resentful and doesnt like ladybug at all but she likes her sister. chloe's relationship with zoe effects chloe in ways she didnt even noticed, she starts to be a better person even if no ones watching, she stop and reduces her bullying of others drastically and starts to respect others as human beings and doesnt see them below her. thanks to her s3 actions she has less confidence though nobody can see that and she blames herself for this situation. her change in charcater is also noticed my adrien and he starts to repect her once again and more than before and now is great friends with her and woul stand up for her if needed though chloe is still confident enough with attitude that she can defend herself. Adrien and chloes growing friendship is obviously isnt taken well by marinette, but since marinette like adrien, this makes her actually acknowledge chloe and see that shes not as bad anymore as she had though, as a matter of fact shes acually not that bad. this will also effect marinettes character as well as adriens .
later near or at the end of season zoe is in bad condition and ladybug and other heros are in dire need of help. Zoe is able to slip out of battle and finds chloe. Seeing the situation, chloe takes the miraculous and once again becomes queen bee and fights, also trying to take revenge for causing her so much emotional pain after the miracle queen episode. She sneaks up on hawkmoth with venom, but he barely dodges it and it hits Mayora, and the fight continues. At that time, Lila too would have been developed more as a villian and she would also be in the fight helping hawkmoth, maybe she was akumatised. But i would like to imagine that she would have some miraculous Personally I prefer that hawkmoth would steal the fox miraculous from Alya for lila, as we know lila is into the fox miraculous from Vulpina. This time however, she will be using real fox miraculous and she could also have same design as Vulpina though change of design could show development. However her name will still be the same marking the return of Vulpina. Chloe would face off Vulpina as queen bee. it would be fun to see 2 characters who were initially evil (lila and chloe) face off each other. this will show that lila and chloe cannot be compared as chloe isnt actually evil. this image of chloe if compared to her season 1 chloe, would be completely or hugely opposite showing that she has grown as a person and character. meanwhile, lila, also changed but opposite of chloe, she grew to be more and more evil and sickening. although lila would grow more evil, this will still mean that she HAS grown as a character. I would like to make Lila as villain for chloe rather than for ladybug and other heros, as lila and chloe were similar at 1st and now are opposite. ladybug and other heros have hawkmoth and mayora to take care of. and chloe can be a hero in this senario while lila, the villain. Meanwhile, now Alya is left alone without a miraculous and she runs to get a new miraculous to help her friends and team, she is least hurt. She takes a miraculous that has the power of healing. She uses this to heal chat noir and Ladybug and not other heros as healing powers are limited.
Prior to all this, ladybug had called that new guardian from that one episode to get his help to solve some questions about miraculouses and guardians. And he arrives to see all the disaster and naturally gets involved. Alya is healing the 2 heros but it takes time and the other heros are out of the fight as alya cannot help them, it is out of her limits. Now, Queen bee vs Vulpina and gaurdian vs Hawkmoth, while alya heals the 2 main back up. The 2 main are ready to fight again though they are still exhausted and alya used all her power and now is out of the fight. Vulpina and Queen bee fight and slip away from the others and are now isolated and fighting each other going toe to toe. Queen bee struggles as it was month that she last used the miraculous and pollen is also tired from transforming Zoe which is affecting the amount of power the kwami able to give chloe. But the heros arnt the only one injured, hawkmoth has a bad arm because of chatnoir and mayora loses her miraculous to ladybug as she is paralyzed, which ladybug took advantage of. Realising whats at stake, he calls for retreat and picks up natalie and calls for vulpinas help being outnumbered. Vulpina runs in hawkmoths direction and chloe stands still catching her breath thinking that she needs more practice to defeat her and another round with vulpina will surely end in queen bees defeat. However Vulpina seeing the opportunity betrays him, she trys to take his butterfly miraculous but underestimates the experienced holder. Hawkmoth finally finds way out and Vulpina too separates and retreats somewhere else from him now clearly no longer being his partner. The heros try to chase them but the guardian stops the heros saying they are too strong and kwamis need a long rest to give the heros even a single more transformation. Queen Bee and Vulpina will have a round 2 at the end of the next season in which queen bee would show to be stronger than this time.
After all of that (remember zoe was there for a few months only) so zoe passes the miraculous onto chloe, she initially denies but then accepts and ofc ladybug asks for it back. Chloe refuses saying that she has no interest in power or miraculouses anymore but this is the only sign that theres still one person who believes in her, and its too important for her to just hand it backeven tho ladybug is the guardian. And since marinette previously had realised that chloe isnt a bad person or atleast not anymore, adding how she now just saved/helped everyone she chooses to trust chloe once again though not too much. chloe more or less becomes and anti hero she doesnt always show up to help ladybug but she doesnt use anything for bad either. She only uses it sometimes to help herself or sabrina/ her family/friends or other helpless pple when they are danger but she avoids other heros because she still doesnt think they like her and she isnt all that fond of most of them either. ik its never gonna happen cuz the writter just straight out called her a bad and mean person but i really liked how she was changing in s2 so im still gonna like her in this way. I also like how in this fanfiction also effects other characters and not just chloe, like they are all webed together .Zoe is just a replacement of chloe, even though writer said shes not, she is, but i still like her for who zoe is. chloe left a hole and he used zoe to try to fill it not understanding the only character that can fill that hole is chloe herself. and he wont bring chloe back because i think hes trying to annoy the chloe fans after he got backlash for how he ruined her character. so now he has to get a replacement for her. I can still see a lot of potential for both chloe and zoe and their relationship as sisters. I just dont understand why give chloe soo much character development and just waste her. But that’s all my opinion, no hate to the writer, its just my critique. And just to make it clear I do like zoe, and I would love her if she does something like what I wrote. you can add if you want and lemme know do you think writter did chloe justice by refusing to finish her arc or not. you are allowed to disagree with me. sry fir spellings.
omggg!!! I love this theory
YOU JUST WROTE A WHOLE SEASONS WORTH OF PLOT
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This is a good but you can't just say Zoe is a replacement for Chloe, you didnt make MLB so you don't know. I dont think Mari would ever trust Chloe with the bee miraculous tho, That guardian might figure out and take the miracle box from her.
@@deadroach5735 not really, considering that the episodes are usually 20-30 mins long you could definitely fit this into 1 ep.
He has a crush on her and doesn’t know..when u said just a friend it hit hard 🥲
I've thought the same thiing~ he's so open to the idea that she could be his lady! i guess he has a subconscious internal conflict from seeing all these similarities between the love of his life and his good friend, that he actually has to always say it out loud to remind himself that Marinette is just his friend and the one he likes is LB lol. If they're the same person, then that solves a lot of problems for him!:)
Meanwhile, Mari's so deep in denial that she immediately shots down any comparison between Cat and her perfect prince. She did accept him in Chat Blanc, but she needs to see the 'Cat' side of Adrien and look beyond her image of him. Cuz otherwise, she might react to him the way Kagami did in the art room (I like Kagami, don't get me wrong, but she was forcing her image of Adrien on him that when he tried to show his funny side to her, she just said, this isnt you). I rly wanna see how these two would react if/when the reveal happens.^^
Honestly in cat blanc when bunny erases their entire love story in the future feels like a huge middle finger to my face honestly
I think that "just a friend" is just like "as you wish" which means I love you😳🥺😅
I think that Adrien has a crush on Marinette, but doesn't want to admit it because he already loves ladybug, hence why he was so happy when he figured out she was ladybug in cat blanc. I really want it to turn out the way it did in cat blanc, minus the literal end of the world lol
Conclusion:
Adrien is not as dumb as we give him credit.
I really dont know how in kwamibuster he didnt notice that MARINETTE AND LADYBUG LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME LIKE-
FRRRR DAME HEIGHT AND EVERYTHING
Ik marinette Dosent want adrien to be chat noir but that was back in Season 1 where she truly didn’t have any affection towards chat noir but as we can see now in the newer seasons she’s warming up with affection more as we can tell. She would probably be shocked but happy.
also look at how happy he is about the fact that Mari is his Lady in Chat Blanc
i wish there could be an episode that’s set up in one of those ways where the day repeats of adrien finding out who ladybug is, like lila, alya, sabrina, zoé, AND marinette, and how he only really is happy and loves lb’s civilian self when he finds out that it’s mari. of course there would probably be some bunnix magic happening but you get the point lol.
It's obvious he has a crush on mari 😭 like if she's really just a friend, it would be hella weird comparing her to his "love of his life" like come on
These clicks connected together. And this is what I'm thinking in my mind since before. And nice theory!
Adrien loves Marinette even tho he says that she's 'Just a friend'.
In chat blanc he said he's ALWAYS felt like she was more than 'Just a friend' never give up on Adrienette guys #Adrienette 4eva ❤️
“Everyone else in the room can see it
Everyone else but you”
-One direction to Adrien Agreste-😂
I wonder when ever the reveal when it happens I wonder if adriens reaction towards marinette being ladybug it most likely be similar to the reaction in the cat blanc except he might be more nervous with a mixture of excitement but what reaction will marinette have towards Adrien being cat noir she will be shocked of course but she might feel she might be responsible of cat noir being akumatized in the first place plus she might think that Adrien he only loved her because she's ladybug she might stay away from him for a while until Adrien talks reason with her and he will try to get stronger and promises her that he won't get akumatized. I'm not sure what's going to happen for the reveal but I'm so looking forward to it
FOR ONCE MR ADRIEN AGRESTE USED HIS BIG FAT BRAIN CONGRATS, I swear im gonna throw a party even tho i watched the scene of kwami buster
I agree, and I wonder if Adrien's mother had a smiliar personality as well? I think Adrien will be happy that it is Mari underneath the Ladybug mask, though I think he will be surprised and maybe will take some time to process it
Also, in cat blanc, when he meet marinette with her friends, he said that "I know that you're not just a friend of me. I've always feel that you're more than just that. And now I know why." Then marinette said, "It means that you like the beret?" Then he finally said, "It means that I love you."
You know what's gonna suck is when mari figures out shes been rejecting her love of her life for like a long time 😭🤣
AHHH I love this so much, I’ve missed your videos and I’m so glad you shared this with us!!
I love how Plagg pretends like he doesn't know that Marinette is ladybug XD
Well for Mari thought on adrien is cat noir I think she would have believed it if she found out because they both have different personalities and Mari likes cat noir for his personality she just sees it to be unbelievable to her
Adrien is stuck as having to follow the rules and act that way (in some sort of way) and that’s all Marinette sees but as Cat Noir he can be more free
Kwami buster is the first episode that Adrian uses his brain but where can not see how marinette is the love of his life.
Alternate title :
*Signs that Adrien's blindness is being cured*
Here is something I say when he calls her just a friend... He says this trying to convince himself that he has no feelings for her... But he looks at her in a similar way as he does ladybug!
i might have a crush on adrien but.. JUST A FIREND we could be getting marryed and it would be like "do you take moegan to be your wife " "shes just a firend but i do"
Omg 😱 adrein Mair is ladybug really open your eyes she just a friend
Marinette: Why can't I find a guy like this
*shows picture of Adrien*
Chat Noir: Hey!
Marinette: Eww no.
Chat noir: I am literally the guy in the picture.
Adrien be like:
Chloe: Heyyy Adrikins did you know Marinette is ladybug? It's utterly ridiculous!
Adrien: Well.. maybe. Ahh no *she's just a friend.*
Wow... You make Adrien look less blind I LOVE IT😭😭😭
I am new to your channel . I ❤️ed the video . The points you mentioned makes it clear that Adrien isn't that Blind 🤣 . I think Marinett doesn't connect Cat noir and Adrien because for her it doesn't make sense , Adrien never shows his cat noir side I mean , if he starts joking around , Marinett can at least once try to figure it.
In Adriens language “just a friend” means “I love you” 😂
(Not my comment, just saw it somewhere and decided to share)
HAHAHA
Finally after 700 million years, our leader has come back. 😭
I see Adrien and Cat Noir as two different people too. I also think that Adrien's true personality is the Cat Noir side which Adrien doesn't really show to the others. So it kinda makes sense why Marinette thinks he's not Cat Noir since Adrien doesn't act like Cat Noir either besides that one scene of Kagami and Adrian in the art room, when Kagami want's to sketch him and Adrian poses as Cat Noir. But Kagami was like "that's so not you".
Marinette sees Cat Noir as a flirty kitty goof which she couldn't see that to Adrian since Adrian never showed that except for Ladybug or Marinette.
And to go with the fact adrien doesn't want Chloe to be the girl he loves, (ladybug) remember when Chloe went to kiss him and he looked uncomfortable/disgusted and when Marinette was about to kiss him for the horror movie, he went along with it without looking uncomfortable
EVERYONE that watches miraculous knows the “just a friend “ and now he loves her!!!!! Makeup your mind