Ep.10 | 4 Ways to cycle your Reef Tank - Real Experiences
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Lets cover 4 diffrerent Ways to cycle your reef from my personal Experience... Also my plans for finally getting this tank ready after a tank wipeout.. all fish lost
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Sometimes it’s better to show your experiences as you move forward in this hobby. I tried something new this tank and it didn’t work out... time to get back to what I know and get this JBJ rockin! Stay tuned a lot more to come! RIP to the homies 🐠 🐟 #BeEazy
Im confused haha are you getting back in the game? You where such an inspiration to me amd your tanks look beautiful! Ive been running a converted fluval roma 125 for the last 18 months, but planning to get a new tank next year
Good Video CJ. It always amazes me how many different methods to this game. One person can have success and another can fail, using the same path.
Added too much livestock too soon. It may not have killed them directly, but stressed them out enough to succumb to some other bacterial or contamination issue. Beneficial bacteria in a bottle cannot keep up with 4 or 5 fish + all of the decomposing matter from decaying live rock right from the get-go.
@The Planted Reef Nah, he can handle it. That's why he openly posts videos documenting the failures along with the successes and subjects himself to criticism here. Just like all of us in this hobby from time to time, I think he just got a little impatient in kicking off the tank (probably, in part, because of the tank "challenge" with Rico).
didnt acclamte them at all though, just plopped them in straight from the bag.
Absolutely 100% agree with you. In all my years of reefing nothing beats seasoned live rock to jump start a brand new tank bar none.
FADETOBLACK 👍👍👍🔥🔥👍👍🔥🔥🔥👍👍 the only real way 👍👍🔥🔥
Dr. Tims fishless cycle has always worked for me works very quickly. Fritz never worked for me big let down
Your honesty makes it clear for everyone what's going on.
Dr. Tim's here and it work amazingly, used that and 2 Mollies and my 30g was cycled in about 7 days. Love the black mollies, they are algae eating machines for me. Also my Mollies ended up being male and female and they gave birth to 8 little ones than I have now in a Fluval 13.5. It was really cool seeing the live birth.
Great update. Water changes are the best it’s all I’m doing on my new tank. The only short cut in having a quick cycle is starting with cured live rock. I had mind in a bend for 2 months with pump and heater no light. This is what I did and I didn’t have any fish death or corals. And I added all livestock 1 week after setting up my tank. I must say I looked at my best tank in the past which was my 54 gallon and I repeated every step and success happened.
Thanks for the update CJ, I love this build. I'm moving over to a 40g breeder AIO and you're giving me inspiration.
Great video CJ! There aren't enough well done, detailed videos out there regarding specific issues in the hobby. Very good insight in terms of cycling new tanks and the possible variables. Live rock is almost essential, just afraid of hitchhikers.
It happened to me too bud had that white slimmy stuff all over my rocks. It turned out to be my aerosol sprayer in the bedroom. Did a 20% water change and siphoned out the sump and within a few days cleared up like a champ. The funny thing was I lost 2 clowns the same way you did. Now I'm fighting dinos and using Dr Tim's waste away. It's slowly coming along. My nitrates are at zero and waiting for them to climb. Wish me luck. Great vid thx 👍
Nice to see you back in the hobby. Great video!
Good call on the fishless cycle,your bio load will be stronger with that approach not to mention money saved as well as fish lives.
Biological filtration requires food (waste) in order to grow. It's not about going "fishless". It's about keeping the amount of waste below the capacity of your biological filtration. With all of the decaying matter from his live rock (which died off during the aqua-scape process), and the addition of so many new creatures at once, all the bottled bacteria on the shelf wasn't going to avert that disaster.
Always start with squeaky-clean rock, use live sand (from a bag, not another tank), add a bottle of Bio-Spira (or similar), and give that bacteria plenty of space to colonize (Marine Pure recommended). You can add a fish or two immediately. This actually helps the bacteria colony get established and grow to meet the demand. You can slowly add more life to the tank every 2-3 weeks, giving the bacteria a chance to catch up each time.
I've done it this way on the last 3 tanks and have never had to deal with the waiting or the annoying algae blooms associated with typical cycling.
Only Cj can have us here bobbin our head to the music, while paying respect to the losses, and learning about the Nitrogen Cycle lol
Infamous Aquatics hahahah! Levels man.. glad you enjoyed it 💯💯💯
love your videos, thank you. I have a 90g saltwater tank with 2 eheim 600 canisters with the default media they came with. nothing special but it works for now. I am working on getting a sump for my tank but not one of those beautiful ones, the one I ordered is the Pro Clear Aquatic Systems Red Flex Reef Sump - 100, this is because the space I have is limited but it should do the trick.
Would you say a lot of your losses/outbreaks throughout your videos have a common occurrence, that being a seemingly lack of patience in the hobby? For anyone that's interested in the hobby the first thing to understand is patience and it doesn't matter if you're a noob or a seasoned vet in the hobby. If you wanna keep your money in the tank let alone the health of the inhabitants themselves first and foremost the key is to have that patience. I'll be the first to admit that there's no "right" way to reefing but I think anyone versed in the hobby can agree that patience is the closest thing to "The Right Way" that you're gonna get. It's probably the best idea to let that tank sit for at least a month fallow and then introduce live stock One by One over a long time to give them the best chance.
your 100% correct! that's why I showed all 4 ways I've cycled my tank... the best success ive had was my Fish-less cycles that I was patience and waited 4-5 weeks. Hopefully everyone watched the entire video to the end where i mentioned this... and didnt miss the message. Thanks for watching
@@CJSAQUARIUMS Respectfully, I think it would be doing future inhabitants a solid as well as your followers to apply this patience across the board and not just to the nitrogen cycle. The amount of fish you add to such a new system at one time, the abrupt equipment changes etc. all can play a role in the health and stage of a system. Reefing is finicky in its own right, best not to exacerbate the experience by a lack of patience. I think a lot of people take those bacteria in a bottle products as a work around to time, when in fact it should be used for more of an extra effort in setting yourself up for a better probability of success AFTER patience has been applied. I'd say "Keep doing what you doing" but you probably shouldn't LOL, jk man...be eazy!
Great video. I have a new one tomorrow thanks for all the help!
Great aquascaping 🙌🏾
It looks like the sand may have had a lack of flow at the bottom there. Do not be afraid to drop a large air stone and biosponge thing at the back.
I have found that it pushes through that specific bloom theu could not survive.
The guy caught something when the oxgen was low enough for his immunity to drop. The fish could not handle the live rock amount without a large air and flow at the bottom.
Over all it appears that you have much better luck with the smaller tanks(the pico and the jbj 45) you started out with. Generally pico and nano tanks are harder to keep stable parameters given the much less water volume,but yet your struggles are with the larger systems. I loved your jbj45!! Great channel btw.
Exactly how I described it! Canary in a coal mine! I would live in that tank and take my chances. Best cycling video I have seen!!! I agree with everything you do. Can't lose um if they aren't in the tank. Pet stores should warn people about tank cycling and I bet they would increase their profits 100 fold instead of giving up because of dead fish!
keep up the good videos though cj I always enjoy learning from you back here in England
What are you using to put the water back in? I’m tired of holding up jugs and or buckets lol
Yeah that's crazy! Usually the shrimp or snails would die 1st when something is wrong.
Maybe the rock from the factory wasn't cured all the way before it was shipped out and was releasing chemicals into the system that killed the fish.
Ah CJ!!! Man you have had some bad luck dude i feel your pain! This hobby can deal you some bad hands ay and you can go from extreme stress to extreme joy and accomplishment ay, i admire your dedication and perseverance which is what's needed in this hobby to survive and thrive, i watch with great confidence that this will end up being a lovely reef in the end, good luck dude and keep doing what yar doing! Haha
Bah, sorry about the troubles. I agree, some well-aged live rock seed is the way to go. Might want to hunt around for few piece of rubble that have some nice sponge growth on them too.
Sorry to hear about your fish loss mate
I always use bottle bacteria with fish and have done well with it I would say something has killed off the bacteria in the tank but looks like your on track now if you want to clean up the diatoms just add a pinch of yeast every other day for 2weeks and it will go away works great good luck with the new cycle hope it works this time for you sucks losing animals
Sorry to hear this happened to you. It’s crazy how things can go bad so quick. I have to say your tank and rock formation is absolutely beautiful. Love the JBJ’s. I only have their 20 g but love the 45 and 65. Someday!
Do you use lotion?Might have mixed with the water. The way you dip your hand to play with the shrimp. IDK just saying
Sorry for the losses as that just sucks! Tried Fritz bacteria and honestly didn’t work for me. Tried their Ca and Alk in an establihed tank and same issue. Switched to microbacter 7 and it worked. Switch to code A and B in an established tank and levels are spot on. Just my experiences
Hi CJ! very interesting video! I'm sorry to hear about the fish u lost, but at the end of the day it's just part of the hobby! 😀👍
I've used Dr. Tim's bacteria in a bottle in my old 165 and current 190. I used it with the Dr Tim's ammonia according to the instructions for a fish less cycle and it worked great! It is not the cheapest for a larger tank but it does work really well.
bingo... fishless is my only way moving forward
Good luck CJ. Hope it goes better this time.
The hawk looks like ammonia burn which makes sense with the cycle stage. My only question is the rock was cured then you let stuff die off then cycled tank. I don't feel it's the fritz I used that 3 times so far to start tanks with dry rock. Gave it two weeks added fish good to go. I use a raw shrimp as a indicator once it turns jelly good to go
I never said it was the fritz.. point of this video was to compare my previous cycles and what had worked for me. Certain things I’ll always do from now on moving forward 💯
what did your water test as when your fish died?
Been following a min, since i started my tanks a year and a half ago, then i found out you from the Ville! I’m in lex, i owe you a bourbon for all the help!
You should def set up a small QT and get that running. You can QT a couple fish and by the time the jbj finishes cycling, your fish will almost be ready for it's new home.
Sorry about the losses man. I stick to what I know, Dr Tims and the Ammonia that you get along with it.
Do what you do👊👍
Rico's Aquariums always!!! 💯💯💯💯
I hate that happened to you, I’m glad you aren’t giving up. Don’t get to comfortable with this little set back Rico, you are still going down. 😂
Live rock FTW! Thanks for sharing Your experience, the best of Us all learned this the hard way. Sometimes We never know what it was.
thje hawkfish looked like velvet to me... had that once, wiped out 90 of my stock in 48 hours
it looks like the shrimp survived? i would usually expect those to cark it first. sorry bud! the film on the pump looks really odd though, as if its peeling off some sort of protective plastic coating. i shall continue watching! oh and what happened to the Ariana Grande instrumentals?? we miss those!
was a bio film on the pumps.. youtube starting flagging some of my songs so gotta switch it up. more to come stay tuned
The fish died but the inverts didn't? I find it hard to believe it had anything to do with the cycle if that's the case. I've used Bio-Spira to start 3 tanks and have added several fish within a month each time and never had an issue. I think it actually recommends you add multiple fish to give the bacteria an ammonia source. Either way, getting back to your roots should yield familiar results for you going forward.
Sandy's is the best LFS, been using them nearly excessively since my father in law introduced to them over 3 years ago for my fresh water aquarium. I'm actually setting up my first reef tank with the help of Sandy's and my father in law.
Sorry to hear bro. I tried the MB7 on a nano and it worked well. The possible problem is bacterial blooms take out the oxygen in the water and that is the major killer of fish.
Had that same white slime in my first tank...never could pin point what is was other than a bacteria bloom from a aerosol spray, however it didn’t seem to hurt my live stock
Dope video CJ.
How many pounds of live rock did you use for this tank?
30
CJ'S AQUARIUMS thanks. Knowing what you know now would you recommend the jbj 65 for a beginner? I assume the stock pumps are ok?
Yes it’s a solid tank for beginners pumps are fine
That nano was my favourite series. So sad it’s gone
Personally, I don't add any rock or sand aside from when I set up the tank. Adding extra rock or sand can always start another mini-cycle and beyond that I just don't risk adding the possible pests that may come with live rock. If the fish didn't make it, then perhaps your cycle wasn't as far along as initially believed. I'm sure you checked for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, etc. If all those levels were good then fish should be fine at your stage unless there is some stray voltage, parasite, or bacterial infection that got the fish. A tank will become mature in its own time. Your tank is probably telling you it isn't ready. I'd just take it slow. Slow and steady wins the race. Best of luck and look forward to seeing it come along.
Wow in the same process always used live rock for my cycling went the eco rock from TMC can’t get it to cycle added ATM bacteria in a bottle with zero effect tbh I’m frustrated your videos are the same as what I’ve experienced I have one clown fish in the aquarium hanging on I guess 😱 I’m going down the same route as yourself bits of live rock back to what I know best and to be patient good luck pal oh I also have that white film on my glass 😱
How well did you clean your test tubes before using it for the fritz bacteria? It may have had some chemicals left over from the test solution. I'm not to sure if this would be the issue, because I've never used the tubes for anything but testing before. hopefully someone in the comments can confirm this..
Nicest tank I’ve ever seen
I have a 55gal tempered glass tank that was fresh and I want to convert to salt .....been researching for months on equipment , cycling, cleaning crews , skimmer going to go with the sump/refugium under the tank .....any ideas on what's needed to start.....prefer bare bottom
Equipment and rockwork be where to start... sounds like your on right track
Mos def.....narrowed it down after reading some good reviews on comparison between the pure dry ( cream colored ) live rock and this new hand made (red colored ) live rock ...my only issue now is getting a decent hob overflow ...any suggestions because it seems as if eshopps hob overflows are hit and miss....gonna build my sump from a minimum 25 gal tank and silicon some baffles in to fit my intake , skimmer ( reef octopus of course ) , refugium and return.....am I missing anything....brf has a legit breakdown and testing of everything to set up and maintain a good coral tank
No. You add ammonia and then you add the bacteria in a bottle. And the bacteria has to be the Fritz turbo start, which is refrigerated.
You'll bounce back no problem!
Sorry about the fish it was great seeing the old JbJ 👊✌️
Hey CJ, I wanted to know what your opinion is about running the lights during the cycle? I have them running at a maximum of 10% to prevent an algae outbreak. (Tank's been cycling for a week now)
Looking forward to see you bounce back from your problems with te tank. Just view it as a good learning experience and keep going forward from here on! Keep doing what you do 👍
mikesfishtanks I’d leave tank dark for long as possible. Let’s bacteria build up and suck up anything Algae needs. I’d still be in the dark if I didn’t have the test coral.. leave em off till you need em. Thanks for watching I ain’t done yet 😎👍🏾
Are u running the uv sterilize
Man, I loved your 45! 👌
great video
We all have ups and downs but we not surrenders 👍
Going through all your episodes for the first time and my Black Storm died in a similar manner; however, my regular clown survived along with all inverts and corals... so... I dunno...
Heard Kendrick and you got a new Subscriber
Nice build...I love the voice over videos..keep it up #ItAintEasyBeingCheesy
Hey CJ, are you going to 'Palooza in NY this month?
CJ my man! Don’t let your tank be an AJ tank! Let’s make sure this is a Deontay Wilder tank LOL. Sorry about that man but yeah the only way I’ve ever set up a reef tank is by using lava rock as my base rock, and then bite the bullet and pay for live sand and then pay for LFS live rock to build on top of the lava rock. And then all the good stuff spreads down from the live rock on top of the lava rock and all the good stuff from the live sand spreads up onto the lava rock. You got this man! #stillwinning
Looks like the oxygen was depleted from a bacteria bloom. Would have been interesting to see the readings of an oxygen probe. Probably not a coincidence that the fish that was the least active was the last to go because the more active fish needed more oxygen. Been there too.
great point... and it makes sense as this happened right after a large dose of bacteria.
Dude! I just watched more closely and it looks like you used FritzZyme 460 which is heterotrophic bacteria. I think that could have been the problem too.
Yes the sludge remover directly impacted how effective the turbo start was cycling my tank. I discussed this in the previous update... wasn’t known until after I had already added the fish. I thought adding bacteria and waiting a couple weeks before adding fish would be golden.. but the cycle stalled. This video is the aftermath.. I’m chilling, staying fishless and dosing small amounts of ammonia until things settle down.. weird start to a tank. First for me for sure but it will be fine.. time for some bike vlogs while I wait 😎🤙🏾
Right on CJ, love your videos!
Great point!!! Anytime you add a carbon source to a tank,you MUST run an adequate skimmer to remove some of the funk film,but MORE importantly its so there is no oxygen depletion,which commonly happens when adding ANY carbon source.
I wonder about that carpet still letting off gas from cleaning products. Prolly not
I had a similar experience with the fish in my coral lagoon, it turned out to be the temperature. My corals all survived however my fish passed away.
Hey Cj. I've seen you vape in videos before. I know vape juice has different types of contaminates that potentially may have affected the tank. You may have already thought of that but just my two cents. Thanks for the great videos!
Damm CJ thats some bad luck. I would of never guess you was gonna have these issues with this tank. CJ from now on go with what has work in the past with you.
I just cycled my 75 gallon with a shrimp and microbactor7. Less than two weeks and I’ve got zero ammonia and nitrites with two shrimp still in tank.
Is the background music Kendrick
This hobby has a habit of kicking you when you're down often with no tangible explanation as to what caused the problems. This often results in high expense, but even worse is the loss of livestock, however, it can also be the most rewarding hobby so stick at it dude and keep your pecker up, if your previous systems are anything to go by this one will end up being just as stunning in the long term :-)
Wow, sorry man. All we can do is learn together and keep it going.
Sorry to hear that. Didn't all your fish also die in the 120? Man that sucks!
no I lost a few but never all of them...This is a first
Omg poor little red fish!!!! Just lost my goldfish today and I want to find out what happened.. it could have been the new tank…
😀
U had once lost all fishes before also i guess. The issue is everyone depends on bottled bacteria. Iv stopped using them. Best method is ammonium chloride and vinegar.
Finally. Back to roots. Keep the channel less commercial and less competitive. Reefing is about slow, and careful, and educational and info sharing. Sorry to say, the tank crashed for a reason and it wasnt the cycle. It wasnt supposed to be because your channel has a better purpose than that.
How do you not know what’s wrong when you’re not thoroughly testing? Helllllooooo it didn’t cycle and you through fish in there. Oh yeah and you didn’t quarantine anything. Great videos on “how not to start a tank”
Jack Rabbit you assume I haven’t tested. If you watch the previous episode you will understand more of why I added fish and how I added bacteria weeks before. Your right this video isn’t a HOW TO ... this is sharing a real time story that is still ongoing.. I’m not a teacher. Your just a passenger on my journey in the hobby. you have some catching up to do. 💯💯
Maybe you should join the Interstellar Oceans project. Ask alexa how to set up a reef tank. Unable to skill Interstellar Oceans if you want to be shocked.
always stick to what you know works and not try different things because it always comes back to bite you
I am "so* confused. You trust your livestock to ... claims from Fritz? It's great that you are admitting errors, but what motivated you to put a fish in an uncycled tank? And then, you put a bunch of new, unquaratined fish in at once? I mean, putting in a clown or damsel is old school but not crazy.
So sorry dude!! Keep going 🥰
Get a shrimp from the grocery store and throw it in
Maybe adding too much live stock on a new build too soon, just bio spiro bottle or go to a local corner store by bottle of ice tea stand over your tank and piss in it the old school way.
not sure.. I pre-dosed bacteria 2 weeks before even adding fish. Your suppose to be able to add this stuff and fish the same day according to the instructions of the manufactures. It did not work for me... I think ether noone watches all my videos fully or they always miss the message. I dunno Maybe its pointless to even share the truth these days... what do you think?
I could never trust my lfs to give me live rock without any pests😂 I love the coral they sell but u just can’t trust live rock
With the diatoms cj you're tank is cycling and almost over but you no with diatoms everytank is different you might have them for a weak you might have them for three weaks me personally when i see them start popin out i call my clean up crew and pay them over time lol diatoms cant stand that stage .love it when you see it start popin but hate it when you watin for it to be gon patient s is the key good vid 👍
They did not die... They are just tired of swimming so they moved on to flying
So sad slow it down brother
You "don't have high ammonia readings or anything"? Ammonia at any level is toxic. So is Nitrite.
Ammonia poison? I'm pretty sure that was ammonia poisoning
never had readings higher than .5 ppm ... unless test was inaccurate.. not ruling out anything at this point. Letting the JBJ sit real still for awhile... Time for some moto vlogs Ill update this tank when its ready
Not going to lie, there's some things he does wrong; and that's why he lost the fish during the process. Not sure how u can put out videos of "how to do something" but ur losing the fish in the process.
well man what do you expect your not suppose 2 put fish in there for 4-5 weeks /// !!!! tilll your n03 kicks in and shows no ammonia thats fuckd
Just cycled 4" purple tang, 2 adult clowns, 1 4" sleeper goby and lawnmower blenny in a 20 gallon. None died. Tested 2-3 times daily and went through 300 gallons water changes.
How many fish did you add at one time don’t do a fish cycle
All the fish dead fast, inverts seem fine, skin falling off. That seems kind of like Brooklynella...
I thought the same thing. I've recently experienced Brooky first hand and that flame hawk looked brooky to me.
It’s possible...but I didn’t really notice fuzz or white spots. Just missing scales... still doing some homework.
@@CJSAQUARIUMS read up on ammonia poisoning symptoms in fish
As the damage from ammonia poisoning continues, the fish's tissues begin to deteriorate, evidenced by red streaks or bloody patches on their body and fins. Ammonia poisoning will eventually cause damage to the brain, organs, and the central nervous system. You'll see the fish begin to hemorrhage, both internally and externally. Then, they eventually die.
It's sad make sure everything is right and done right these are animals lifes we cant just say that's my fault (not exactly to you cj) it's all these petcos and people just saying it's a fish
I wonder how Rico feels about this video.