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72 hp is nothing everyone knows u need a liter bike as Ur first to rlly get that low end power u need, the busa is the ultimate beginner for anyone 16+
Same power as a Super Duke after mods? Come on, man. It's fine if you want to push 'feel' and 'character' but if you bought a HD for performance you bought the wrong motorcycle.
Actually if he's talking about the super Duke 990 then yea, you definitely can build a sportster with that kind of power and it might surprise you how close it could actually come to running with a 990 despite the weight factor
@@beardedforlife3740 he deffo is trying for the 1290 barely any 990s were sold in the usa compared to 1290s so you would need to specify, and ok the a highly modified 883 maybe can hang for just a bit in a drag race but as soon as brakes and or turns come no way. A 990 can take liter bikes on a shorter track, just not at high speeds
These were the two bikes I narrowed my search down to for my first bike many years ago! I chose the SV and never regretted it - in fact, I still have it (although it hasn't been on the road for a while . . . since I got a GSXR!)
I get that motorcycles are not rational purchases, so buy whatever floats your boat. I got an SV and love the thing, and I imagine most riders would. Feels planted yet nimble (~140 pounds less than the harley; the weight of a person), great engine (90 degree V-twin inherently vibrates MUCH less than a 60 degree twin), super reliable, good brakes (at least since the 2019 factory upgrade). The V engine configuration makes it slender and contributes to the nimble and responsive feeling. I am 6'2" and find it comfortable. 60 mpg local roads, 50 ish when going at super legal speeds on the hwy. Added MRA windscreen that works great and makes longer rides more comfortable. Enjoy whatever you are riding.
@Julian Crooks Not exactly factual. I see far more 70's Honda's than I do HD. But even if it were, the difference is, people ride their metric bikes. They don't spend all day cleaning them, wrenching on them and then going to sit in a parking lot at the donut shop talking about them. I'm not a cruiser guy, but if I were to consider one, it would be the Triumph or the Ducati. HD cost too much for too little and then you pay the HD tax on everything HD related. This is why they're dying a slow death.
I’ve got a 2018 SV650 and I love it. Super solid middle-of-the road bike. Got enough power to have fun while not being twitchy and scary. I commute with it every day. It’s my second bike but I definitely could see it being a first bike because of how tame the throttle response is.
I got me a Suzuki GSX-S1000 and I love it! It’s smooth as silk and pulls hard tons or grunt and it will scream to 11k rpm you are leaving town in a hurry. Just picked up a new set of pirreli diablo super Corso’s 2’s I cant wait to get them on next week! Credit to revzilla man my back tire was made coupe weeks ago and came to my door almost over night! Quality service there. Front tire was made end of 19 so it’s nice and fresh to! Sexy set of tires I love the writing on the edge!
I never understood the praise about that "American V-Twin". It makes less torque and power for the same displacement as the Japanese and European bikes, it is less fuel efficient and it even has a great deal of vibrations. What is it to praise about? It is the same thing with the car engines in "European/Japanese vs Americans".
It's because of the character, not because they perform better. It has to do with the sound and feel. Sure my 883 isn't going to beat most Japanese bikes, but it also was never intended to beat them in performance. The motor is pretty stout and reliable. The fuel economy really isn't bad. I usually pull around 50 mpg, which is pretty good with a pushrod motor considering the weight it pulls around
Obviously I own one of the rarest motorcycles on the planet, as my 2014 Iron 883 is bone stock (with the exception of a lockable fuel cap I put on haha). Never had an issue, no loose bolts or anything like that, no oil leaking, nothing. All materials on the bike including the chrome mufflers and the paint look like day 1. Fit & finish is untouchable. I get all the "issues" that are mentioned in this video, allthough - for me personal - it's like criticising a V4 S Streetfighter for not being vintage. For me they are pointless. All components of the stock bike harmonize perfectly together in my perception. The ride feels so pure, so raw but still smooth. That being said, yes, you can make this and that out of the bike, or make the bike "better". I'll keep it stock and hop on my ECU flashed MT-09 SP instead, when I want the performance and the hooliganism. Cheers m8 :)
But to the topic of the vid: Both bikes are great beginner motorcycles. As long as you're not totally into that oldschool type of raw and pure riding the SV650 surely is the better choice. What's so great about the SV650 apart from it's capabilities is that this bike has tons of character too, so you won't be disappointed in that regard either.
@@michaelfinck6945 Honestly, the only place I've ever seen a stock sportster is at a dealership. I have a 2016 iron that I've been slow changing esthetically. I love the bike and really haven't had anything to complain about. I don't think the vibrations are as bad as they say, but then again I might be less sensitive to it. As for the SV, some people might not like how it looks. I myself can't view a bike on just performance. I myself do like how the SV looks, I'm just not a fan of the sport bike riding position. I've tossed around the idea of getting a naked sport, but haven't been able to justify it because I know it won't get ridden as much as my sportster
@@beardedforlife3740 Honestly, here in Germany, the only stock sportster I've ever seen outside a dealership is the one I own, so I guess I kind of personalized it :D As we know perception is highly subjective, the first dark custom design (my 2014 is the last gen with it) makes the iron one of prettiest motorcycles I've ever seen, it really drives me crazy haha! It's spot on just everywhere, especially the black / chrome balance, like an esthetic blueprint, it strikes me everytime and doesn't want to get old, can't help it haha. And it rides exactly as it looks, I mean literally. I percept the ride as kind of bare bone but still smooth. I always enjoy the flawless fueling and throttle controll. And I enjoy the vibrations. I mean. Just look at the bike.
@@michaelfinck6945 that's what people don't understand about sportsters. They are minimalistic and very raw. Yea, the suspension leaves you wanting but it's still a fun ride
So, a "positive point" for the Harley is that it has a huge aftermarket, and can offer parts to make it better than factory? That's not a positive. It has that aftermarket, because Harley can't build a decent motorcycle anymore...and you need those parts to make a decent bike. So, why would I pay more money for the Harley, so that I can upgrade it to a better bike for even more money, when there are so many decent bikes out there at stock?
The aftermarket on harleys really isn't about making it better, it's more about being an individual. You know, doing something the guy next to you isn't. I don't know about you, but I don't want my bike looking exactly like the one I just passed on the street
My thoughts exactly! If I'm going to spend that much money I better love what I'm getting. I feel like HD sells cheap stuff and you have to make it better yourself, on your dime. Getting ready to buy and the only thing I will change is the head light if it doesn't come with LED stock.
@@williamwatkins2538 How? I didn't say you shouldn't buy aftermarket parts. You obviously didn't understand. The Harley costs more. Why would you pay MORE for a bike you have to fix to get the value for your money...and then can you? Can you get the value for your money when you're spending more already? The after market is there for nearly every bike made. So, it's not a "positive" for Harley. Harley basically requires the after market, and charges you more to get started. I'm not seeing any positives here over other bikes. There is a reason why Harley is bleeding money.
I remember reading a review in Cycle World some years ago about the 883 saying that it's really slow but that that's a GOOD thing since it's brakes really suck. :-D
Kinda depends on what you mean by dirt bike experience. If you’ve been riding for years and can throw around a 450 on the trails like it’s your figure skating partner then don’t even worry about looking for a “good beginner bike.”
I just bought a new 2019 SV650x and the only experience I had prior was riding dirt bikes as a kid. My biggest fear was I would outgrow the bike within a few months. Now its only been a month, but I've put 630 miles on it and have finally had the chance to truly ride it since getting past break-in. Harder leaning, wide-open-throttle, etc. There's plenty of more the bike can handle that I haven't thrown at it yet. Pair that with a huge selection of aftermarket options and lots of information online about the platform, and you have a pretty darn good beginner bike. I don't think you will be disappointed.
You'd be a lot better off than people with no moto experience who jump straight onto a 600 cc super sport, that's for damn sure. I think you'd be ok with a 650 although something like a duke/rc390 or a ninja 400 might be better for building up your confidence. Just know that riding street is very different from riding pavement. At 40 mph, I turn a lot differently on dirt than I do on the road. If you know that you're going to want to be a fastboi though, just go with a 650 and stay out of higher rpm for a little while and take it easy on the corners. Worry about riding better before riding faster. Some good news though, people who start in dirt GENERALLY tend to learn faster and be better street riders.
The fact that you have experience with motorcycle inputs (clutch control, foot and hand coordination, etc.) you're ahead of most beginners and will do fine on a 650 as long as you don't ride beyond your limits. Just be sure to scan your peripherals when you ride, anything can happen on the street.
There are currently no Craigslist listings for for a Suzuki SV650 in the following areas: Boston, MA, Lancaster, PA, Harrisburg, PA, Erie, PA, Pittsburgh, PA, Columbus, OH, Battle Creek, MI, Corpus Christi, TX, or Dallas, TX.
9:29 I think spite needs to ride the Royal Enfields ( not the 650 twins but the single cylinders like the classic and the bullet) and experiences the thump and the unique vibrations 😋
One thig that kind of annoys me about the Harley (not having ridden one yet), but at $9000 with no LED turn signals & head light from the factory on a "premium" bike? I mean, come on Harley!
I will say the factory headlight does suck, but $60 on ebay got me a pretty killer looking led. As for the turn signals, they work just fine. They are definitely bright enough to see, but then again how many cagers actually pay attention to them
@@beardedforlife3740 All I'm saying is that if Harley want's to sell motorcycles & call them "premium" & charge a premium price for them, then they should put on some premium parts. Not sell a $7000 motorcycle with a $2000 logo on it.
Between the two, If I could only have one, I’ll take the Suzuki. Its a great all arounder up to most any task, even a long trip. But if I already had a bike that could do the distance the Iron would be a great 2nd bike. It’s just more fun for a casual ride, anything off the Interstate and under a couple of hrs in the seat.
I hear you brother. My wife is from the Philippines, (and there are many other countries the same) where 99.9% of the people ride bikes smaller than 250cc.
@H H I'm from Brazil. We totally would buy a liter bike for day-to-day use if it was doable. I would love to make my grocery runs on an MT10. However, we earn our salaries in Brazilian currency (obviously) and the exchange rate is like almost 6 to 1 to the US Dollar. And the bikes cost here in US$ about the same as they go for in the US. But we make 5.5 times less in US$ because of the exchange rate. So imagine a scenario where any bike you fancy buying costs 5 and half times more. Yep. Now it starts to make sense why you see so many 125 cc bikes and scooters out on the road. Oh, and the same goes for the cost of replacement parts and consumables (including gas): they cost 5.5 times more what you're used to paying for them in the USA. Suddenly the cost of maintaining that liter bike becomes hard to justify. The US market is simply very different to most other markets. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.
I am a new rider, 39 years old. Always thought of myself as a cruiser rider. However, taking my licence we used the MT-07 which really opened my eyes for these types of bikes. Have accually been struggling which kind of bike to get next. Now I ride an older cruiser just as a start but next year it's time to get the next one. The Iron and SV650 are two of the bikes on top of that list. Thanks for a great video. Greetings from Sweden.
The mic pack looking like a belt cell phone holster was perfect standing next to the HD. I test road the 1200 sportster and roadster, but felt them to be top heavy. Went with the Triumph Speed Twin instead very happy with it.
My first bike was a Gsxr 600, then moved onto an R1, then got a second bike the forgotten Honda firestorm/superhawk. Now I’m onto the fjr 1300, which has been my fav bike based on good power, handling and excellent comfort!
Couldn’t agree more about SV650. I’m 32 and bought mine as first bike about 4 months ago, and it’s great. However, 18 year old me would have been hurt with the same bike. Maturity and having a family help keep priorities in line!
The shaking is because of the single crank pin design. Both pistons move up and down at the same time. Every Harley is literally hopping up and down as it is sitting there idling. It is the singular reason for their unreliability. The bike is trying to shake itself apart every second it's running.
I just started about a month ago. and I love the 600 class. I got a honda hornet 600. it a great bike to start on if you, not a headless 18'year old but like start the 30s like me. I love that it has power but not scary or that it hit x RPM and now your doing a wheelie
Hornet 600 is an animal it's the engine pulled straight out of the cbr600r re tuned for midrange power. It takes will power not to ride it like a complete holagan.
@@DTB1q3 yeah true. But the SV 650 is limited. The harley sportster can do everything. Seen snow Mobil Sportsters in Sibiria 😂 also heavily modded Sportsters drag racing Liter bikes.
Harleys need the deepest aftermarket just to make sense, and when you get it to the point they make some sense you could have bought *whatever* motorcycle from other manufacturer that is better in any way
Good point, but consider this: I like my slow potato machine and that's about it. I dont need the best handling or the best engine, I just need something I can commute on and enjoy riding. (Standard abs would be nice though)
Motorcycle aren't about "making sense" - you get the one that excites you the most, and something as bland as an SV won't do that for a lot of people, especially next to a blacked-out Harley.
Better can be very subjective and I definitely wouldn't say in every way. I'll bet my sportster gets more attention than whatever you ride, if you even ride
@@TheFlyingPineapple I'm totally with you on that. I've had people ask me, "why would you buy a motorcycle". I try to explain that it helps me calm myself mentally when I cruise down a random stretch of road. There response? "That doesn't make sense. Motorcycles are dangerous". What on earth that's dangerous for people to do makes sense, but to those who do it
They are sweet bikes. Has a weird pull to the right when starting off but nothing serious. Very unique bike, search yt for videos. I got my first bike at 38.
@Cj yep, you definitely don't ride. Posed a question and you are trying so hard not to answer it lol 1% my ass. A 1% wouldn't be on UA-cam acting like a dumbass
Even though this video is sacrilege, your reminder at the beginning finally got me to buy a t-shirt in support of your work. Thanks for many hours of entertainment. Is Lorenzo better than Rossi? NO!!
I'm thinking they should find a Honda CB1100R. The exact opposite to the Iron 883 in terms of smoothness and power with all the Heritage and fit and finish. They're just so bloody expensive!
I think they should do a back to back with a Vulcan 900 or vstar 950. I think yammie would change his mind about cruisers, and spite would change his mind about HD
I tell everybody, who asks me what kind of bike to buy that the sv 650 is the best beginner bike, i strongly recomend it, however I’ve been riding a Sportster since 2003 and never gona sell it, pumped up to 80hp is a fun to ride.
Something just dawned on me. I want Yammie's opinion of the Chinese SG250? Its a dirt cheap bike by Zongshen but it hasn't killed anyone...yet. Just for those who are into small 250cc> toys to chuck around until they get bored or gain more funds then upgrade.
You'd have to do actual engine work to get it like that, and it's really rare for people to do that to most motorcycles, but it's totally possible. Car guys buld 500 horsepower civics all the time
If you're starting with an 883, your talking about adding approximately 100 hp! With all the engine modification you'd have to do you might as well just pay 15k for a new built S&S motor.
Hammer performance currently sells 1275 kits, and if you have 04 and later heads, they can work your heads over to make a solid 125-130hp on pump gas. It does require extensive head work, which does include valve angle changes, and it's not cheap, BUT... the main thing that hurts the sportster more than anything is emissions requirements. It's not hard to get power out of these engines, but it is hard to get power out of them and meet those requirements at the same time. Buell's were worked over sportsters until the separation and Erik started running rotax engines.
@@TexasLeverGunner oh yeah, Hammer performance is really leading the pack when it comes to evolution motor performance. But even the numbers you quoted are still about 40 to 50 hp short of the Superduke. I think Spite was talking out of his ass a bit there.
@@LARGO125 I still don't think so. Bore the case spigots out for an 88 or 90" kit, with the right head work and cams, and you're there easily. But again, more $$$. The Super Duke is still a better deal, unless you're just an idiot like me. lol. I'm almost done with my build. Rear sets, lots of go fast, high performance suspension...
Am in a dilemma to pick one from the many ... just can't decide, from a Ducati Scrambler (used), KTM Duke 390, BMW G310R. Even second-hand Scrambler is twice in price than the other two.
I had duke 390 and it was great. I rode the 310 and it couldn't compare to duke in terms of power and general ride quality. There is also adventure 390 and the rc390. Throwing power commander on the 390 along with better air filter and exhaust it can resch 55bhp.
I sell harleys for a living. Wouldn’t be caught dead on any of them besides the Pan America and possibly the new Sportster S with the detuned 1250 setup.
The Yamaha Bolt absolutely annihilated the Iron 883 in 2014 and still does, 6 years later the Harley dorks are starting to trash to Bolt again as if that helps their case.
I have a noob question, so please bear with me if this seems obvious. Im a new rider and who just got a HD 883 Iron 2020, but as i been taught i must always keep my hand on the throttle to keep the bike moving, it even shuts off if i let go of it too much. I havent gotten too fast on the bike as im still learning on it learning but i notice Yammie and the other driver driving the Iron taking their hands off the left throttle without any issue. Is there something im not seeing or can someone explain to me how come thats the case between mine and the iron in the video?
Same specs as a superduke? Out of the 883? Maybe torque, not hp, otherwise why wouldnt everyone just take an 883 and make a frame around it?
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883 weighs 550lbs and has 42 hp at the wheel....LMAO!!! All for the low price of $9K. Built to last....HD dealers refuse to service bikes older than 10 years....built to last....
Anyone whos “IN” to harleys doesnt look to buy a 2020 sportster, its much much more cost effective to buy an older bike and self service it, the quality of HD was “better” in the past anyway, New doesnt mean better when it comes to HD.
Yeah thats actual bullshit i work at an hd dealership actually the 2nd biggest, weve worked on bikes from the 90s and early 2000s im not an excuse maker, yes the sportster 883 is under powered for the price tag, however theyre built very very well, ive seen biked in here with over six digit miles, find me and sport bike that has those miles and is still serviceable, theyre meant for different things its all about choice which is why motorcycles are an awesome hobby i have a dyna right now getting a sportster, then im getting an r nine t, or a cb650r, bikes for different people and different tastes
Speaking of V Twins and SV650 I would like to see you do a video on whether Vstrom 650 , Tenere 700 and other middleweight ADV bikes are good for beginners. The lightweight options like Versys x300, CRF250L Rally and even the CB500x do not do as well on highways as the middleweight ADV's. Thanks
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Have you stopped doing the facts at the end?
Have you rode the suzuki katana
@Yammie Noob you should ride a late 2000s Buell. I have an 07 lightning with the Hammer performance 1250 kit. Come ride it.
I feel like I dont even have to watch to know witch one he is going to say is best...
😂😂😂
There shouldn’t be a best, it’s comparing a Toyota 86 and a Chevy SS.
@@alexanders1445 facts
I feel like Spite is just a fan who got a job so his opinion’s 2nd always.
@@youtubeuser2188 I love spite, I think they became friends because of motorcycles
Yammie didn't ride the HD because he knows it got a taste for his boots and wants more.
That was the best quote that sums up my thoughts
Hahaha
Nah he's just a sport bike snob that's why 😂
The XL883N aka Iron 883 he rode DID start to eat his boot. Lol I love that you pointed it out.
Yammie thinks speed is more important than handling range comfort and reliability. So why doesn't he get a hd livewire? He won't need a Busa.
I wanna see more yammy Harley content. Something about yammy hating Harley gives a comedic duo vibe.
72 hp is nothing everyone knows u need a liter bike as Ur first to rlly get that low end power u need, the busa is the ultimate beginner for anyone 16+
turbo Busa.
Minor correction: The ultimate beginner for anyone 16+ is the TurboBusa.
A turbo zx14 is even better.
H2R best beginner bike
I’m 17 and cbr600rr is my first bike and man I regret it I shoulda gotten a turbo busa
Same power as a Super Duke after mods? Come on, man. It's fine if you want to push 'feel' and 'character' but if you bought a HD for performance you bought the wrong motorcycle.
They do have some performance focused cruisers (fat bob, fxdr...), Harleys just get overly stereo typed and that is a massive shame.
Apple/ orange comparison. If your motorcycle identity has not formed enough to choose between these two, maybe you should think a little longer.
Actually if he's talking about the super Duke 990 then yea, you definitely can build a sportster with that kind of power and it might surprise you how close it could actually come to running with a 990 despite the weight factor
@@beardedforlife3740 he deffo is trying for the 1290 barely any 990s were sold in the usa compared to 1290s so you would need to specify, and ok the a highly modified 883 maybe can hang for just a bit in a drag race but as soon as brakes and or turns come no way. A 990 can take liter bikes on a shorter track, just not at high speeds
Last time i was this early, Yammie cursed more than a middle schooler in the video.
That's been a little while
These were the two bikes I narrowed my search down to for my first bike many years ago! I chose the SV and never regretted it - in fact, I still have it (although it hasn't been on the road for a while . . . since I got a GSXR!)
I don’t have to watch this to know what he’s going to pick
Harley right?
I get that motorcycles are not rational purchases, so buy whatever floats your boat. I got an SV and love the thing, and I imagine most riders would. Feels planted yet nimble (~140 pounds less than the harley; the weight of a person), great engine (90 degree V-twin inherently vibrates MUCH less than a 60 degree twin), super reliable, good brakes (at least since the 2019 factory upgrade). The V engine configuration makes it slender and contributes to the nimble and responsive feeling. I am 6'2" and find it comfortable. 60 mpg local roads, 50 ish when going at super legal speeds on the hwy. Added MRA windscreen that works great and makes longer rides more comfortable. Enjoy whatever you are riding.
The heart wants what the heart wants, its not all that rational and seeing them side by side, I'd take the HD
@Julian Crooks Not exactly factual. I see far more 70's Honda's than I do HD. But even if it were, the difference is, people ride their metric bikes. They don't spend all day cleaning them, wrenching on them and then going to sit in a parking lot at the donut shop talking about them.
I'm not a cruiser guy, but if I were to consider one, it would be the Triumph or the Ducati. HD cost too much for too little and then you pay the HD tax on everything HD related. This is why they're dying a slow death.
Many European motorcyclists:
"I rode a Harley and it sucked"
Harley riders:
"BuT iT hAs cHAraCtEr"
And then?
@@omarsalgado9715 ...and then bought a Kawasaki Vulcan S.
They type that way because their hands are still shaking from the vibration!
And the exact same Harley riders will then go and insult Moto Guzzi and Royal Enfield despite their abundance of character.
That's not really true.
I’ve got a 2018 SV650 and I love it. Super solid middle-of-the road bike. Got enough power to have fun while not being twitchy and scary. I commute with it every day. It’s my second bike but I definitely could see it being a first bike because of how tame the throttle response is.
Just wanted to add, I of course want to upgrade eventually to larger displacement but I feel that I’d still want to hang on to the SV as the staple.
I got me a Suzuki GSX-S1000 and I love it! It’s smooth as silk and pulls hard tons or grunt and it will scream to 11k rpm you are leaving town in a hurry. Just picked up a new set of pirreli diablo super Corso’s 2’s I cant wait to get them on next week! Credit to revzilla man my back tire was made coupe weeks ago and came to my door almost over night! Quality service there. Front tire was made end of 19 so it’s nice and fresh to! Sexy set of tires I love the writing on the edge!
You two make a great team. Keep up the good work..
You have one great option Yammie the Sv 650 is so much more bike for the buck.
I feel like the Shadow or Vulcan are infinitely better 'beginner' cruisers than the sportster...
I relearned on a Vulcan. Ready to upgrade...to a bigger, newer Vulcan!
They’re all 50hp slow boys.. I dunno about infinitely... same shit different toilet not even much of a price difference
Bolt is better than 883 and shadow and Vulcan.
@@caseyjones6316 opinion, not fact
TylerDD which one? They’re all opinions really...
I never understood the praise about that "American V-Twin". It makes less torque and power for the same displacement as the Japanese and European bikes, it is less fuel efficient and it even has a great deal of vibrations. What is it to praise about? It is the same thing with the car engines in "European/Japanese vs Americans".
Because ‘Merica. Duh
Country boy is trying to say Americans like the dime store outlaw vibe.
It's because of the character, not because they perform better. It has to do with the sound and feel. Sure my 883 isn't going to beat most Japanese bikes, but it also was never intended to beat them in performance. The motor is pretty stout and reliable. The fuel economy really isn't bad. I usually pull around 50 mpg, which is pretty good with a pushrod motor considering the weight it pulls around
beardedforlife 50 mpg is better than my Honda.
@@williamwatkins2538 my point exactly. I know there are plenty of bikes that get better mpg, but there are also plenty that don't
My first bike is a 1990 Suzuki Intruder 750, don't know if that's good or not, but I'm just happy to be on 2 wheels
When you get an 883, you don't get a motorcycle, you get the potentiality to spend more money trying to get a motorcycle. Strange times.
I bought a 2017 Z650 as my first bike and absolutely love it
Indian Scout Bobber 60 is a cute little bike for a beginner too.
I love the *White* Scout 60 Bobber.
Only issue is the sticker price. Too steep for a beginner, maybe in a couple of years when the used market starts filling up.
@@LARGO125 Exactly same price as the Harley
@@the2d really? In my neck if the woods the 60 Bobber is about 3k more than the Iron 883.
Cries in $800 1981 Yamaha XJ
Obviously I own one of the rarest motorcycles on the planet, as my 2014 Iron 883 is bone stock (with the exception of a lockable fuel cap I put on haha). Never had an issue, no loose bolts or anything like that, no oil leaking, nothing. All materials on the bike including the chrome mufflers and the paint look like day 1. Fit & finish is untouchable.
I get all the "issues" that are mentioned in this video, allthough - for me personal - it's like criticising a V4 S Streetfighter for not being vintage. For me they are pointless. All components of the stock bike harmonize perfectly together in my perception. The ride feels so pure, so raw but still smooth.
That being said, yes, you can make this and that out of the bike, or make the bike "better".
I'll keep it stock and hop on my ECU flashed MT-09 SP instead, when I want the performance and the hooliganism. Cheers m8 :)
But to the topic of the vid: Both bikes are great beginner motorcycles. As long as you're not totally into that oldschool type of raw and pure riding the SV650 surely is the better choice. What's so great about the SV650 apart from it's capabilities is that this bike has tons of character too, so you won't be disappointed in that regard either.
Yep SV for the smooth modern bike and 883 if your roots are closer to bare bones riding. Both good in their own way.
@@michaelfinck6945 Honestly, the only place I've ever seen a stock sportster is at a dealership. I have a 2016 iron that I've been slow changing esthetically. I love the bike and really haven't had anything to complain about. I don't think the vibrations are as bad as they say, but then again I might be less sensitive to it. As for the SV, some people might not like how it looks. I myself can't view a bike on just performance. I myself do like how the SV looks, I'm just not a fan of the sport bike riding position. I've tossed around the idea of getting a naked sport, but haven't been able to justify it because I know it won't get ridden as much as my sportster
@@beardedforlife3740 Honestly, here in Germany, the only stock sportster I've ever seen outside a dealership is the one I own, so I guess I kind of personalized it :D
As we know perception is highly subjective, the first dark custom design (my 2014 is the last gen with it) makes the iron one of prettiest motorcycles I've ever seen, it really drives me crazy haha! It's spot on just everywhere, especially the black / chrome balance, like an esthetic blueprint, it strikes me everytime and doesn't want to get old, can't help it haha. And it rides exactly as it looks, I mean literally. I percept the ride as kind of bare bone but still smooth. I always enjoy the flawless fueling and throttle controll. And I enjoy the vibrations. I mean. Just look at the bike.
@@michaelfinck6945 that's what people don't understand about sportsters. They are minimalistic and very raw. Yea, the suspension leaves you wanting but it's still a fun ride
So, a "positive point" for the Harley is that it has a huge aftermarket, and can offer parts to make it better than factory?
That's not a positive. It has that aftermarket, because Harley can't build a decent motorcycle anymore...and you need those parts to make a decent bike. So, why would I pay more money for the Harley, so that I can upgrade it to a better bike for even more money, when there are so many decent bikes out there at stock?
I love that, when he (and alot of HD guys) say the aftermarket is soooo big and good like that's a good thing haha.
The aftermarket on harleys really isn't about making it better, it's more about being an individual. You know, doing something the guy next to you isn't. I don't know about you, but I don't want my bike looking exactly like the one I just passed on the street
Hope you don’t buy after market products for anything you own or you’d be a hypocrite.
My thoughts exactly! If I'm going to spend that much money I better love what I'm getting. I feel like HD sells cheap stuff and you have to make it better yourself, on your dime. Getting ready to buy and the only thing I will change is the head light if it doesn't come with LED stock.
@@williamwatkins2538 How? I didn't say you shouldn't buy aftermarket parts. You obviously didn't understand.
The Harley costs more. Why would you pay MORE for a bike you have to fix to get the value for your money...and then can you? Can you get the value for your money when you're spending more already?
The after market is there for nearly every bike made. So, it's not a "positive" for Harley. Harley basically requires the after market, and charges you more to get started.
I'm not seeing any positives here over other bikes. There is a reason why Harley is bleeding money.
I remember reading a review in Cycle World some years ago about the 883 saying that it's really slow but that that's a GOOD thing since it's brakes really suck. :-D
Do you guys think that a 650 would be a good beginner motorcycle for someone who has dirtbike experience
Yeah, very much so! In NL our ride schools use kawasaki z650's. I reckon as someone with dirtbike experience you'll do perfectly fine.
Kinda depends on what you mean by dirt bike experience. If you’ve been riding for years and can throw around a 450 on the trails like it’s your figure skating partner then don’t even worry about looking for a “good beginner bike.”
I just bought a new 2019 SV650x and the only experience I had prior was riding dirt bikes as a kid. My biggest fear was I would outgrow the bike within a few months. Now its only been a month, but I've put 630 miles on it and have finally had the chance to truly ride it since getting past break-in. Harder leaning, wide-open-throttle, etc. There's plenty of more the bike can handle that I haven't thrown at it yet. Pair that with a huge selection of aftermarket options and lots of information online about the platform, and you have a pretty darn good beginner bike. I don't think you will be disappointed.
You'd be a lot better off than people with no moto experience who jump straight onto a 600 cc super sport, that's for damn sure. I think you'd be ok with a 650 although something like a duke/rc390 or a ninja 400 might be better for building up your confidence. Just know that riding street is very different from riding pavement. At 40 mph, I turn a lot differently on dirt than I do on the road. If you know that you're going to want to be a fastboi though, just go with a 650 and stay out of higher rpm for a little while and take it easy on the corners. Worry about riding better before riding faster. Some good news though, people who start in dirt GENERALLY tend to learn faster and be better street riders.
The fact that you have experience with motorcycle inputs (clutch control, foot and hand coordination, etc.) you're ahead of most beginners and will do fine on a 650 as long as you don't ride beyond your limits. Just be sure to scan your peripherals when you ride, anything can happen on the street.
There are currently no Craigslist listings for for a Suzuki SV650 in the following areas: Boston, MA, Lancaster, PA, Harrisburg, PA, Erie, PA, Pittsburgh, PA, Columbus, OH, Battle Creek, MI, Corpus Christi, TX, or Dallas, TX.
9:29 I think spite needs to ride the Royal Enfields ( not the 650 twins but the single cylinders like the classic and the bullet) and experiences the thump and the unique vibrations 😋
My first bike was the Iron, and my second bike is the SV650
Man he was really trying hard to find positives with the 883 😂😂
Depends on the style of bike you want to ride. They are different experiences. Sport bike and Cruiser, something for everyone. Peace and ride safe
One thig that kind of annoys me about the Harley (not having ridden one yet), but at $9000 with no LED turn signals & head light from the factory on a "premium" bike? I mean, come on Harley!
I will say the factory headlight does suck, but $60 on ebay got me a pretty killer looking led. As for the turn signals, they work just fine. They are definitely bright enough to see, but then again how many cagers actually pay attention to them
@@beardedforlife3740 All I'm saying is that if Harley want's to sell motorcycles & call them "premium" & charge a premium price for them, then they should put on some premium parts. Not sell a $7000 motorcycle with a $2000 logo on it.
@@jamesbongiovanni5180 cb500r cbr500r cb500x have led all round (not a lamp anywhere) that's how all bikes should be in 2020.
Between the two, If I could only have one, I’ll take the Suzuki. Its a great all arounder up to most any task, even a long trip.
But if I already had a bike that could do the distance the Iron would be a great 2nd bike. It’s just more fun for a casual ride, anything off the Interstate and under a couple of hrs in the seat.
I really like to live in a Country when bikes are cheap and you earn much money, because you can call a 650 cc a begginer bike
I hear you brother. My wife is from the Philippines, (and there are many other countries the same) where 99.9% of the people ride bikes smaller than 250cc.
Most countries consider a 250 a large bike. 1000cc are practically unheard of in most nations.
@H H I'm from Brazil. We totally would buy a liter bike for day-to-day use if it was doable. I would love to make my grocery runs on an MT10. However, we earn our salaries in Brazilian currency (obviously) and the exchange rate is like almost 6 to 1 to the US Dollar. And the bikes cost here in US$ about the same as they go for in the US. But we make 5.5 times less in US$ because of the exchange rate. So imagine a scenario where any bike you fancy buying costs 5 and half times more. Yep. Now it starts to make sense why you see so many 125 cc bikes and scooters out on the road. Oh, and the same goes for the cost of replacement parts and consumables (including gas): they cost 5.5 times more what you're used to paying for them in the USA. Suddenly the cost of maintaining that liter bike becomes hard to justify. The US market is simply very different to most other markets. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.
I am a new rider, 39 years old. Always thought of myself as a cruiser rider. However, taking my licence we used the MT-07 which really opened my eyes for these types of bikes. Have accually been struggling which kind of bike to get next. Now I ride an older cruiser just as a start but next year it's time to get the next one. The Iron and SV650 are two of the bikes on top of that list.
Thanks for a great video. Greetings from Sweden.
You should look into the Kawasaki Vulcan S ABS. It is a really good cruiser with a sport bike engine from the 650 Ninja. It is a little bit of both.
What did you get ?
The mic pack looking like a belt cell phone holster was perfect standing next to the HD.
I test road the 1200 sportster and roadster, but felt them to be top heavy. Went with the Triumph Speed Twin instead very happy with it.
Good choice
My first bike was a Gsxr 600, then moved onto an R1, then got a second bike the forgotten Honda firestorm/superhawk. Now I’m onto the fjr 1300, which has been my fav bike based on good power, handling and excellent comfort!
Couldn’t agree more about SV650. I’m 32 and bought mine as first bike about 4 months ago, and it’s great. However, 18 year old me would have been hurt with the same bike. Maturity and having a family help keep priorities in line!
Hope to see a review for the newer version 2019-2020 HONDA CBR 500R. Interested in seeing a Yammie version review of that bike :) Love the videos.
The shaking is because of the single crank pin design. Both pistons move up and down at the same time. Every Harley is literally hopping up and down as it is sitting there idling. It is the singular reason for their unreliability. The bike is trying to shake itself apart every second it's running.
I just started about a month ago. and I love the 600 class. I got a honda hornet 600. it a great bike to start on if you, not a headless 18'year old but like start the 30s like me. I love that it has power but not scary or that it hit x RPM and now your doing a wheelie
Hornet 600 is an animal it's the engine pulled straight out of the cbr600r re tuned for midrange power. It takes will power not to ride it like a complete holagan.
Great channel thanks for the upload
The sv650 will serve you much better in a majority of ways
The 20 minute video where you ripped apart the 883 came before this right?
where can I buy one of those socks for the front master cylinder?
I am guessing it is just a regular wrist band.
You can make the iron your personal bike, and that's what Cruiser people want.
The sv is one of the most easily mod-able, customizable modern bikes ever. Entirely get what you're saying, but the same is true of the SV
@@DTB1q3 yeah true. But the SV 650 is limited. The harley sportster can do everything. Seen snow Mobil Sportsters in Sibiria 😂 also heavily modded Sportsters drag racing Liter bikes.
@@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670 yeah, I do suppose I've never seen a snow mobil sv lol
On one hand i want that. On the other hand a very individual bike means they will find me easier and gimme a ticket.
@@gur262 don't speed and ride within the law and you don't need to avoid tickets 😉
Harleys need the deepest aftermarket just to make sense, and when you get it to the point they make some sense you could have bought *whatever* motorcycle from other manufacturer that is better in any way
But it looks the best
Good point, but consider this: I like my slow potato machine and that's about it. I dont need the best handling or the best engine, I just need something I can commute on and enjoy riding. (Standard abs would be nice though)
Motorcycle aren't about "making sense" - you get the one that excites you the most, and something as bland as an SV won't do that for a lot of people, especially next to a blacked-out Harley.
Better can be very subjective and I definitely wouldn't say in every way. I'll bet my sportster gets more attention than whatever you ride, if you even ride
@@TheFlyingPineapple I'm totally with you on that. I've had people ask me, "why would you buy a motorcycle". I try to explain that it helps me calm myself mentally when I cruise down a random stretch of road. There response? "That doesn't make sense. Motorcycles are dangerous". What on earth that's dangerous for people to do makes sense, but to those who do it
I'm really considering a Moto Guzzi v7 III as my first bike at 43 years old.
They are sweet bikes. Has a weird pull to the right when starting off but nothing serious. Very unique bike, search yt for videos. I got my first bike at 38.
Great bikes, you won't be disappointed.
Love the videos bro
My sv650 and my father’s Harley Dyna are pretty close on the road
I’m such a fan of the SV650x
Imagine winninh a giveaway and they give you a harley 😂😂
Yea I’ll take my 2020 low rider s over all your sports bike any day
@Cj dude, do you even ride a motorcycle?
@Cj 😂😂😂 yea, ok buddy
@Cj yep, you definitely don't ride. Posed a question and you are trying so hard not to answer it lol 1% my ass. A 1% wouldn't be on UA-cam acting like a dumbass
I just bought my first bike, an SV650 3 days ago. I am the actual pinnacle of the first time buyer you described lol
I have an 02 sv650s, first bike I ever rode. I'm glad I didn't waste time & money on a smaller motor
There is no bad bike out there. It all depends what fits your use.
Even though this video is sacrilege, your reminder at the beginning finally got me to buy a t-shirt in support of your work. Thanks for many hours of entertainment. Is Lorenzo better than Rossi? NO!!
You guys need to make a trip to SD for Sturgis! I'd love to ride with you guys!
My 2020 SV650X just gave me the stank face watching this.
Nothing stops a SV650, not even its breaks
sporty does have self adjusting valve .jad them since 1957 Their called hydraulic vavles
No one buys a Harley for a smoother ride and a great lean angle... I love the way a Harley shakes and rumbles.
yeah, and pay more for a substantialy worse bike
How about the Royal Enfield 650 interceptor? Bout time you guys test ride one ✌️
IM HERE! YAM, IS THERE ANY BIKES FOR A 14 TON TITAN CHASSIS?
Yes it's me
Next retro classic Give Away should round out the Husqvarna street lineup with the Vitpilen 401! Would live Yam's take on it over the Svartpilen.
I'm thinking they should find a Honda CB1100R. The exact opposite to the Iron 883 in terms of smoothness and power with all the Heritage and fit and finish. They're just so bloody expensive!
Papa yams saying not good for younger riders. Me: *being 18* hmmm I’m sold
I was looking into getting 883 as my first bike but you convinced me to take a different direction I might just get the sv650.
Braided hoses on both bikes are a great upgrade but better noticable on the sv as it's faster.
6:45 that would make a great project / video series.
Get a 750 street rod and review it. I want to see what you have to say about the one "nobody counts".
He has one and yam already rode it
@@caseyjones6316 found it. Watching it now. Thanks for the heads up.
What's the better hammer, a 10lb Craftsman sledge or a .2oz eastwing rock pick?
Depends on the job
I think they should do a back to back with a Vulcan 900 or vstar 950. I think yammie would change his mind about cruisers, and spite would change his mind about HD
The Honda VTX 1800 is the best one hands-down that’s my first V twin motorcycle.
I tell everybody, who asks me what kind of bike to buy that the sv 650 is the best beginner bike, i strongly recomend it, however I’ve been riding a Sportster since 2003 and never gona sell it, pumped up to 80hp is a fun to ride.
Something just dawned on me. I want Yammie's opinion of the Chinese SG250? Its a dirt cheap bike by Zongshen but it hasn't killed anyone...yet. Just for those who are into small 250cc> toys to chuck around until they get bored or gain more funds then upgrade.
That SV650 looks like a lotta fun. What are your thoughts on the Vulcan 900 Classic?
Mod a Sportster to make the same power as a Superduke? Only if you call "trading it in" as a mod.
You'd have to do actual engine work to get it like that, and it's really rare for people to do that to most motorcycles, but it's totally possible. Car guys buld 500 horsepower civics all the time
If you're starting with an 883, your talking about adding approximately 100 hp! With all the engine modification you'd have to do you might as well just pay 15k for a new built S&S motor.
Hammer performance currently sells 1275 kits, and if you have 04 and later heads, they can work your heads over to make a solid 125-130hp on pump gas. It does require extensive head work, which does include valve angle changes, and it's not cheap, BUT... the main thing that hurts the sportster more than anything is emissions requirements. It's not hard to get power out of these engines, but it is hard to get power out of them and meet those requirements at the same time. Buell's were worked over sportsters until the separation and Erik started running rotax engines.
@@TexasLeverGunner oh yeah, Hammer performance is really leading the pack when it comes to evolution motor performance. But even the numbers you quoted are still about 40 to 50 hp short of the Superduke. I think Spite was talking out of his ass a bit there.
@@LARGO125 I still don't think so. Bore the case spigots out for an 88 or 90" kit, with the right head work and cams, and you're there easily. But again, more $$$. The Super Duke is still a better deal, unless you're just an idiot like me. lol. I'm almost done with my build. Rear sets, lots of go fast, high performance suspension...
I'd get the SV because I'm terrified of having tor un away from local MCs lol
Am in a dilemma to pick one from the many ... just can't decide, from a Ducati Scrambler (used), KTM Duke 390, BMW G310R.
Even second-hand Scrambler is twice in price than the other two.
I had duke 390 and it was great. I rode the 310 and it couldn't compare to duke in terms of power and general ride quality. There is also adventure 390 and the rc390. Throwing power commander on the 390 along with better air filter and exhaust it can resch 55bhp.
You said the Honda CB650R was smooth not much vibration. So how does the Suzuki 650 compare?
I sell harleys for a living. Wouldn’t be caught dead on any of them besides the Pan America and possibly the new Sportster S with the detuned 1250 setup.
Umm.... We already know the best one..... 😁😁😁
Turbo Hayabusa?
@@jake7503 We're talking about V twins. I'd go for a KTM Superduke 1290r as a first bike
@@andreabotti99 yeah... a 1200 cc bike perfect for a beginner... to get killed
@@stefanpancea8353 r/whoosh
Andrea Botti The TurboBusa is the best choice for first bikes due its modest 700 pound heft and Star Wars speeder bike style ergonomics.
Doesn't the SV650 pops and crackles on decelerating too?
That sporty probably needs motor mounts ASAP
The Yamaha Bolt absolutely annihilated the Iron 883 in 2014 and still does, 6 years later the Harley dorks are starting to trash to Bolt again as if that helps their case.
Ok? Point is?
Love the videos but please put the mirrors under the bars on the 883, it just don’t look right!
Would love to see yammy ride every Harley-Davidson model in the line up. Run a gauntlet.
How much will power did it cost you to call the Harley a 'great option', in the beginning? XD
What about the Yamaha Bolt? I've not seen a video from you discussing the Bolt? Any reason why?
I have a noob question, so please bear with me if this seems obvious. Im a new rider and who just got a HD 883 Iron 2020, but as i been taught i must always keep my hand on the throttle to keep the bike moving, it even shuts off if i let go of it too much. I havent gotten too fast on the bike as im still learning on it learning but i notice Yammie and the other driver driving the Iron taking their hands off the left throttle without any issue. Is there something im not seeing or can someone explain to me how come thats the case between mine and the iron in the video?
I'd love to see them install the power kit for that Harley..
I think yammie wants the one Mr. Garrison invented on southpark.
What gear are you using?
I’m 27 and I held back and got a 250 because I’m hella injury prone as is
Same specs as a superduke? Out of the 883? Maybe torque, not hp, otherwise why wouldnt everyone just take an 883 and make a frame around it?
883 weighs 550lbs and has 42 hp at the wheel....LMAO!!! All for the low price of $9K. Built to last....HD dealers refuse to service bikes older than 10 years....built to last....
my rebel 500 is 6k and it as fast and lighter lol
Anyone whos “IN” to harleys doesnt look to buy a 2020 sportster, its much much more cost effective to buy an older bike and self service it, the quality of HD was “better” in the past anyway, New doesnt mean better when it comes to HD.
Yeah thats actual bullshit i work at an hd dealership actually the 2nd biggest, weve worked on bikes from the 90s and early 2000s im not an excuse maker, yes the sportster 883 is under powered for the price tag, however theyre built very very well, ive seen biked in here with over six digit miles, find me and sport bike that has those miles and is still serviceable, theyre meant for different things its all about choice which is why motorcycles are an awesome hobby i have a dyna right now getting a sportster, then im getting an r nine t, or a cb650r, bikes for different people and different tastes
10 years??? Are you high?
You trippin bro. that’s why there are a ton of those bikes from late 80’s still running
You cannot go wrong with a Suzuki...they give you.the best value and are reliable / bulletproof..
Speaking of V Twins and SV650 I would like to see you do a video on whether Vstrom 650 , Tenere 700 and other middleweight ADV bikes are good for beginners. The lightweight options like Versys x300, CRF250L Rally and even the CB500x do not do as well on highways as the middleweight ADV's. Thanks
Ferrari’s and lambo’s have small v12 engines as they rev fast and less rotational mass vs Big Block American Engines.
When are you going to ride and review the Indian scout bobber papa 🍠s
First prize: 1 of HD, second prize: 2 of HD!
Both? I've got a '14 Bolt R-Spec & and a '14 Dayonta lol