Tried that slips stroke and it worked pretty good about the 4 or fifth try. Just when I thought I was getting it down I almost threw my stick all the way down the length of the table and banged it hard on the rail when I caught it. Went back to my old way. Glad I was playing alone cuz I'm sure it looked really comical. I got to work on that catching part with a cheaper cue . Maybe put a few mats around the table. Teach an old dog new tricks comes to mind! I watch these videos over and over again. There's a lot of guys like Mr Lewis in pool world. Your videos always brighten up my day
Hi Lester, That stroke is pretty amazing and I don't think I ever gave it a conscious try. If you can get it working for you - more power to you. It certainly works for Chua although most people never see it because they're focused on the pool balls. I used to worry about my break-cue flying out of my hand because my grip is real loose until I snap it closed at the very last split second. That's why I put a rubber wrap on it. LOL Indeed there's a ton of Mr. Lewises out there. They're a dime a dozen and it's probably wrong of me but I enjoy deflating their egos. LOL I keep telling people there's a ton of valuable info in these older video but not too many take the time to dig them up. Peace!
@@JohnDisque Dallas West said a pool stroke Is a perfect underhand throwing motion. He liked to use a slip stroke. Wimpy Lassiter would move his hand back on the butt right before he hit the cue ball after he was lined up normally with his arm in the 90° position before he slid it back another eight or ten inches and pulled the trigger. Lou Butera is another one in fact a lot of the Old Time Players used a slip stroke at times.love your work!
@@lesterweinheimer665 Hi Lester.. Here's another one. Please edit the typo where it says "times(dot)love." There's a name I haven't heard in years (Dallas West) and another one (Luther Lassiter). When I was a kid I found Luther's book in my school library. It just went over the basics but it got me started out on the right foot. And another one (Machine Gun Lou). All these guys are a little before my time but how could anyone not love them? thanks for your support. Peace
Yeah. Earl was something when he was feeling it. It's a scary thing when he's your opponent. You get the feeling like he's just toying with you and abusing you just to watch you suffer. It's evil. Cheers to Earl! Peace
Excellent teaching strategy. Very detailed description. The sequence teory/actual demonstration provides all the information needed to start practicing. You are a one of a kind instructor. Great job!!! and thanks for sharing your expertise.
Hi Juan, Somehow I missed your comment and it was 4 months ago. I'm really sorry about that. Thank you for your kind words. I really do my best and sometimes it actually shows up. This is one video where it worked. I hope you're doing well and you're still out there playing the game we all love. Peace to you and your loved one.
HEY! It's good to know UA-cam is doing their job! It's why they make all the big bucks. It's funny though.... If all the UA-cam executives got together and made a video..... I guarantee you it would suck badly. LOL Peace Ronnie.... take care of yourself!
Who doesn't love to see a well executed power draw shot? (Except maybe that player's opponent). It's definitely one of the prettiest shots in the game, and one of the most satisfying when executed well.
That's what I'm saying! When I was young and first saw this shot I was fascinated with it so I practiced it a lot. Then I would play for straight-in position just so I could shoot it (Not wise.., but I was a kid). I think it's still my favorite shot and it still brings out the kid in me. Have a great New Year!
@@JohnDisque Me too, John. I was so fascinated with just using the draw shot, that I used it almost exclusively, and then it was years later before I finally really worked on and developed my follow stroke. Imagine how much it elevated my game, once I had command of both. The force follow stroke can produce some really interesting, unexpected, and exciting results, as well. A very Happy New Year to you and yours!
LOL Oh.... Mr. Lewis is a case. I don't even know where to start to explain him. I try to be nice to him, but that's not always easy. I can't believe how bad I got on the 9, but I shot the 8 ball weak. I'm going to reset that 8 ball and look for better ways to do it.
LOL... I never realize I do this until I get home and watch the videos on the computer. It can be embarrassing but at my age you don't really care and just want to make people smile.
If James saw it? Saw what? The draw shot? James don't want to play anymore. Right now I'm playing 8 ball with 4 stripes and 4 solids with the famous Steve (Old McDonald) McDonald..... the Diamond Pool Tables guy who also runs many pool tournaments through America... including the Derby Bigfoot. The balls are racked in a diamond like 9 Ball and it's break-and-run city.... (It's all his idea so I'm just going with it.... It's kinda fun. Try it).
This is one of my better-produced videos. I usually don't add all this fluff. I think I'm going to take that table-length spin-draw and put it in the highlight reel. Peace
I need personal coaching - I've seen a dozen draw videos, It's one out of 50 where I accomplish a decent draw - length of the table, say. I tried slip stroke, tried side elbow to keep from dropping, I have a friend watch, I've recorded some on my phone - really just nothing I can rely on in a game. I need help badly. How do you do this so effortlessly? You don't even like you hit it that hard. I'm sure I tense up even when I try not to. My 11.75 tip might still be too small for my skill level and I'm not hitting true center. Yes, I have a training ball. It does help. I have another cue I don't use as much with a 12.5 tip or something.
What state are you on JD? Seems like you know what to look for but if it's not working for you something is going wrong. Record yourself from the back and watch your right shoulder and elbow if you're right handed. If they're dropping at or before the moment the tip contacts the cue ball then the tip is contacting moe like center ball and not below center. Lock your shoulder up, like you're flexing the deltoid muscle in a conscious effort to keep the elbow from dropping and keep it locked up through the shot. Take a few hours or even a full day and start out with little 5" draws, then 10", then 2 feet and keep expanding the distance until effortlessly drawing the cue ball 18 feet. You don't want to be reaching so if you're standing too far from the cue ball move up a little closer. I could easily spot the mistake if I saw you play but for now this is the best I can offer. Peace
Mr. Lewis seems like the guy who has played for years, his way with no instruction or practice, and expects to beat players like yourself that have grinded thru the hard work, dedication and education it takes to be good at pool. He can't beat you with weight yet he thinks he can win str8 up but u r just ALWAYS ON FIRE......LOL
That's exactly right. If the best pool instructor in the world walked in and offered to help him he's the kind of guy who would tell the instructor how to do his job and decline the lesson. Some guys are like this and think they know everything about everything. The issue with pool is that we never stop progressing, learning, getting better and attempting to master it... allthewhile knowing that there is no mastering it. Here's some advice for anyone reading this: Don't expect respect. Just do what you do and they'll keep coming back for more.
Yep, in his mind, he has a chance to win. Yet, he won't bet a single dollar against you because he knows deep down that he doesn't have a prayer. There are many types in the world of pool and they r my favorite to play against and pound and before long, they have an excuse of why they r playing bad, stories of how good they USED TO PLAY and soon a story of why they have to escape the beating they r taking and an excuse to go along with it so their EGO isn't too bruised. Fn Bangers.........lol
@@HillbillyIslandLife Pool is a funny game in many respects. Pool might be the only game where excuses exceed excuses golfers have. I play with a guy sometimes who starts in with the excuses before we even start. He's like a lot of guys. Their game in their mind is far better than their game on the table. I love "I used to be good" guy. You can assess this guy in one or two shots and know he never played good pool in his life.
@@beercanbrian1880 We hear the Used To Be Good Shit 50 times a year at the taverns.........It was really fun with my X wife. She was the Ohio Women's 8ball Singles champ back in da day. She would bring the egos to the floor and keep the free beers a flowing. You guys play doubles? Yep, wanna play for drinks? Thats the only plus of a woman I can think of.........
The left and right spin draw shots are always fun. I know the limitations of my power draw shot. Comes with distance between cue ball and object ball. When those situations come up where I'm not warm and fuzzy about trying to draw, looking to creat an angle by cheating the pocket to get the cue to where I need it. Might be another video. When, how and why to cheat the pocket.
Good idea... I will begin working on the "When, How & Why to Cheat the Pocket" video.... but we need to figure out how to keep you warm and fuzzy all the time. It really comes down to confidence and keeping the negative voices quiet - that too is a good topic for a video.
Nice, I love that draw with side. Watch Efren or Santos for that slip stroke. In talking with them they do that so they don't drop the shoulder or elbow and can maintain their shooting structure.
I didn't know Efren had a slip-stroke. I used to run with a player named Cree who had a slip-stroke but he did it right before he hit the cue ball, to get the follow-though... He didn't even know he did it until I pointed it out. Once you put English on these you can get anywhere on the table you want. Mike Massey used to set up a straight in shot, hand someone a piece of paper to put on the table anywhere they want and he'd get the cueball on the paper almost every time. It was pretty remarkable to watch. I've been working hard on not dropping my elbow and will be making a video exclusive to that issue.
Yep --- I was just explaing to Mark that I used to run with a guy named Cree who had a slip-stroke... but not during the shot... He would slip on the backswing right before the shot and give himself the follow-through he wanted... He didn't know he did it until I pointed it out... So yeah --- you can be doing it subconsciously and never be aware of it.
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Tried that slips stroke and it worked pretty good about the 4 or fifth try. Just when I thought I was getting it down I almost threw my stick all the way down the length of the table and banged it hard on the rail when I caught it. Went back to my old way. Glad I was playing alone cuz I'm sure it looked really comical. I got to work on that catching part with a cheaper cue . Maybe put a few mats around the table. Teach an old dog new tricks comes to mind! I watch these videos over and over again. There's a lot of guys like Mr Lewis in pool world. Your videos always brighten up my day
Hi Lester,
That stroke is pretty amazing and I don't think I ever gave it a conscious try. If you can get it working for you - more power to you. It certainly works for Chua although most people never see it because they're focused on the pool balls.
I used to worry about my break-cue flying out of my hand because my grip is real loose until I snap it closed at the very last split second. That's why I put a rubber wrap on it. LOL
Indeed there's a ton of Mr. Lewises out there. They're a dime a dozen and it's probably wrong of me but I enjoy deflating their egos. LOL
I keep telling people there's a ton of valuable info in these older video but not too many take the time to dig them up.
Peace!
@@JohnDisque Dallas West said a pool stroke Is a perfect underhand throwing motion. He liked to use a slip stroke. Wimpy Lassiter would move his hand back on the butt right before he hit the cue ball after he was lined up normally with his arm in the 90° position before he slid it back another eight or ten inches and pulled the trigger. Lou Butera is another one in fact a lot of the Old Time Players used a slip stroke at times.love your work!
@@lesterweinheimer665 Hi Lester..
Here's another one. Please edit the typo where it says "times(dot)love."
There's a name I haven't heard in years (Dallas West) and another one (Luther Lassiter). When I was a kid I found Luther's book in my school library. It just went over the basics but it got me started out on the right foot.
And another one (Machine Gun Lou). All these guys are a little before my time but how could anyone not love them?
thanks for your support.
Peace
That draw shot by Earl @ 01:02 is one of the best shots I've ever seen.
Yeah. Earl was something when he was feeling it. It's a scary thing when he's your opponent. You get the feeling like he's just toying with you and abusing you just to watch you suffer. It's evil.
Cheers to Earl!
Peace
Yeah it's crazy
Excellent teaching strategy. Very detailed description. The sequence teory/actual demonstration provides all the information needed to start practicing. You are a one of a kind instructor. Great job!!! and thanks for sharing your expertise.
Hi Juan,
Somehow I missed your comment and it was 4 months ago. I'm really sorry about that.
Thank you for your kind words. I really do my best and sometimes it actually shows up. This is one video where it worked.
I hope you're doing well and you're still out there playing the game we all love.
Peace to you and your loved one.
I was prompted by UA-cam to watch this video. Gr8 advice JD. U r a wise man
HEY! It's good to know UA-cam is doing their job! It's why they make all the big bucks. It's funny though.... If all the UA-cam executives got together and made a video..... I guarantee you it would suck badly. LOL
Peace Ronnie.... take care of yourself!
@@JohnDisque Thx JD
Who doesn't love to see a well executed power draw shot? (Except maybe that player's opponent). It's definitely one of the prettiest shots in the game, and one of the most satisfying when executed well.
That's what I'm saying!
When I was young and first saw this shot I was fascinated with it so I practiced it a lot. Then I would play for straight-in position just so I could shoot it (Not wise.., but I was a kid). I think it's still my favorite shot and it still brings out the kid in me.
Have a great New Year!
@@JohnDisque Me too, John. I was so fascinated with just using the draw shot, that I used it almost exclusively, and then it was years later before I finally really worked on and developed my follow stroke. Imagine how much it elevated my game, once I had command of both. The force follow stroke can produce some really interesting, unexpected, and exciting results, as well.
A very Happy New Year to you and yours!
Great advice as always! U should be famous my man! Ill be ur agent.....
Thanks.
Fame sounds like a plan and if that happens you got the agent job but.... I wouldn't hold your breath.
Loved it. Way to crush Mr. Lewis' hope on the 9 ball shot.......lmfao
LOL Oh.... Mr. Lewis is a case. I don't even know where to start to explain him. I try to be nice to him, but that's not always easy.
I can't believe how bad I got on the 9, but I shot the 8 ball weak. I'm going to reset that 8 ball and look for better ways to do it.
@@JohnDisque Then he said........U had that no problem........Great shot is what should have been stated!! Peace JD
Nice dance form on the 9 ball cut shot.
LOL... I never realize I do this until I get home and watch the videos on the computer. It can be embarrassing but at my age you don't really care and just want to make people smile.
The Mike Massey Power draw is one of the best draws I've ever seen. The man draws two full tables just to get position. Who actually does that??? 😂😅
Pretty smooth my man.
Thank you Richard. Sorry this response took so look.
Peace
If he saw that shit, he might fall over.......sorry, I had to watch it again. Good stuff! Need more Lewis beetins
If James saw it? Saw what? The draw shot?
James don't want to play anymore. Right now I'm playing 8 ball with 4 stripes and 4 solids with the famous Steve (Old McDonald) McDonald..... the Diamond Pool Tables guy who also runs many pool tournaments through America... including the Derby Bigfoot.
The balls are racked in a diamond like 9 Ball and it's break-and-run city.... (It's all his idea so I'm just going with it.... It's kinda fun. Try it).
Found a best shot!!
This is one of my better-produced videos. I usually don't add all this fluff.
I think I'm going to take that table-length spin-draw and put it in the highlight reel.
Peace
@@JohnDisque I’ll let u know when I find more……
@@HillbillyIslandLife Yes - please do that. Peace
I need personal coaching - I've seen a dozen draw videos, It's one out of 50 where I accomplish a decent draw - length of the table, say. I tried slip stroke, tried side elbow to keep from dropping, I have a friend watch, I've recorded some on my phone - really just nothing I can rely on in a game. I need help badly. How do you do this so effortlessly? You don't even like you hit it that hard. I'm sure I tense up even when I try not to. My 11.75 tip might still be too small for my skill level and I'm not hitting true center. Yes, I have a training ball. It does help. I have another cue I don't use as much with a 12.5 tip or something.
What state are you on JD?
Seems like you know what to look for but if it's not working for you something is going wrong.
Record yourself from the back and watch your right shoulder and elbow if you're right handed. If they're dropping at or before the moment the tip contacts the cue ball then the tip is contacting moe like center ball and not below center.
Lock your shoulder up, like you're flexing the deltoid muscle in a conscious effort to keep the elbow from dropping and keep it locked up through the shot.
Take a few hours or even a full day and start out with little 5" draws, then 10", then 2 feet and keep expanding the distance until effortlessly drawing the cue ball 18 feet.
You don't want to be reaching so if you're standing too far from the cue ball move up a little closer.
I could easily spot the mistake if I saw you play but for now this is the best I can offer.
Peace
Mr. Lewis seems like the guy who has played for years, his way with no instruction or practice, and expects to beat players like yourself that have grinded thru the hard work, dedication and education it takes to be good at pool. He can't beat you with weight yet he thinks he can win str8 up but u r just ALWAYS ON FIRE......LOL
That's exactly right. If the best pool instructor in the world walked in and offered to help him he's the kind of guy who would tell the instructor how to do his job and decline the lesson. Some guys are like this and think they know everything about everything. The issue with pool is that we never stop progressing, learning, getting better and attempting to master it... allthewhile knowing that there is no mastering it.
Here's some advice for anyone reading this: Don't expect respect. Just do what you do and they'll keep coming back for more.
Yep, in his mind, he has a chance to win. Yet, he won't bet a single dollar against you because he knows deep down that he doesn't have a prayer. There are many types in the world of pool and they r my favorite to play against and pound and before long, they have an excuse of why they r playing bad, stories of how good they USED TO PLAY and soon a story of why they have to escape the beating they r taking and an excuse to go along with it so their EGO isn't too bruised. Fn Bangers.........lol
@@HillbillyIslandLife Pool is a funny game in many respects. Pool might be the only game where excuses exceed excuses golfers have. I play with a guy sometimes who starts in with the excuses before we even start. He's like a lot of guys. Their game in their mind is far better than their game on the table. I love "I used to be good" guy. You can assess this guy in one or two shots and know he never played good pool in his life.
@@beercanbrian1880 We hear the Used To Be Good Shit 50 times a year at the taverns.........It was really fun with my X wife. She was the Ohio Women's 8ball Singles champ back in da day. She would bring the egos to the floor and keep the free beers a flowing. You guys play doubles? Yep, wanna play for drinks?
Thats the only plus of a woman I can think of.........
Great jig! What is your favorite tip?
Hey James,
I've been using Elk Master my whole life. I've tried others but don't like them.
at the 15 min mark. take a look at your head. you pull the cue back and your head goes straight up. you need to stay still.
I know - I'm working hard on this and other issues dealing with the stroke. Thanks for the input.
The left and right spin draw shots are always fun. I know the limitations of my power draw shot. Comes with distance between cue ball and object ball. When those situations come up where I'm not warm and fuzzy about trying to draw, looking to creat an angle by cheating the pocket to get the cue to where I need it. Might be another video. When, how and why to cheat the pocket.
Good idea... I will begin working on the "When, How & Why to Cheat the Pocket" video.... but we need to figure out how to keep you warm and fuzzy all the time. It really comes down to confidence and keeping the negative voices quiet - that too is a good topic for a video.
who is the guy with that big aquarium holy shit!?
James..
Poor Mr Lewis ... he thought he had you on the 9 .... 🤣
Ol' James Lewis. In my younger days I used to argue with him.... Now it's just funny to shut him up.
2:21 is that Efren?
Yup.... That's Efren. He didn't draw the ball as much as other players do, but when he did he made it seem effortless and natural.
Peace
@@JohnDisque yeah
Yep, no fun when the other guy is running balls.
Nope... It sure is fun for the guy at the table though. LOL Pool is brutal.
Peace
At first I found your voice annoying, but now I just want to have a beer and a few games of pool with you.
Nice, I love that draw with side. Watch Efren or Santos for that slip stroke. In talking with them they do that so they don't drop the shoulder or elbow and can maintain their shooting structure.
I didn't know Efren had a slip-stroke. I used to run with a player named Cree who had a slip-stroke but he did it right before he hit the cue ball, to get the follow-though... He didn't even know he did it until I pointed it out.
Once you put English on these you can get anywhere on the table you want. Mike Massey used to set up a straight in shot, hand someone a piece of paper to put on the table anywhere they want and he'd get the cueball on the paper almost every time. It was pretty remarkable to watch.
I've been working hard on not dropping my elbow and will be making a video exclusive to that issue.
John Disque Efren doesn't do it often. Sometimes foe that soft slow draw to keep the cue going thru the ball.
I've found myself using the slip stroke unconsciously, noticing it afterward.
Yep --- I was just explaing to Mark that I used to run with a guy named Cree who had a slip-stroke... but not during the shot... He would slip on the backswing right before the shot and give himself the follow-through he wanted... He didn't know he did it until I pointed it out... So yeah --- you can be doing it subconsciously and never be aware of it.
The journey from vice grip to slip stroke to draw the ball you all should try it, thanks
I was trying it today just for kicks.... I completely suck at it. LOL It's pretty as it gets but I'll stick with ugly.