Falconry: American goshawk vs Eurasian goshawk
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- In this falconry video I compare the American Goshawk to the Eurasian Goshawk. I explain the similarities and differences in how they are used in falconry and explain the taxonomy and genetic differences. #falconry
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Goshawks were the bird that got me into falconry. I lost my father about a year and a half ago and was reccomended H is for Hawk by Helen Macdonald, a book all about training a goshawk and also grief. I had barely been aware of falconry until that point and from then on it was like I had woken up. I don't have a bird yet but I'm working towards it!!! I'm taking my time. An Albidus gos is such a dream bird, but so is an American gos... I just love their red eyes and how much it matches their overall temperment. I've only ever interacted with one goshawk, a eurasian gos, but he was easily one of my favourite birds I've ever met. He was such a messy eater, if he was a human he would have had terrible table manners, and if you didn't get him his food fast enough he'd start to forcefully jump up and down on the glove, but he was sweet as pie and never grabbed or footed me on purpose. (If he did it was because he was excited about food and I didn't get my hand out of there fast enough.) Once he'd eaten, he would go to sleep standing on the glove! If I wasn't obsessed with goshawks before, that solidified it 😅 Thank you for an amazing video and I'm glad you seem to be on the mend!
So nice to see so many comments and views on this video, even if there's some debate going on. I totally won't jump in and try to insist accipiters are all one species and just different breeds like dogs and everybody's just over-classification happy because they want their name attached to an animal, too.😂
Glad you're feeling better, Ben! Thanks for continuing to make videos for us raptor and falconry enthusiasts!
I think the goshawk is a lot easier to fly than most Falconers make them out to be. You need 3 basic things to do well with one. An solid understanding of raptor training fundamentals, enough game, and enough time.
I'm not a falconer, just a birder who likes raptors and grew up with parrots, but your videos are always fascinating to me! (I joke that in another lifetime I would have maybe been a falconer, but in this one I know I don't have the patience, time, space, or land access to give birds of prey what they deserve.) I have yet to come anywhere even remotely near a goshawk (don't live near them) but they're gorgeous birds, and it's great to learn more about them.
Back in the old days the goshawk was known as the cook's bird in the UK because they could put anything and everything on the table for the cook to serve.
Great to see you getting better and better.
Your enthusiasm for Goshawks, is contagious. Would love to work with one, Eurasian, if possible!!! Thank you for your knowledge and experience = interesting, wonderful content. 😊🥰 looks beautiful, there 😍
Looking good Ben!! Glad to see u back up on your feet good. 🎉Great video !!
Ben, have you heard the Meyer's Goshawk, considered the closest related living species of the 'Northern Goshawk', they are around the same size of the Northern/American Goshawk and live in the tropics in our part of the world (eastern part of Indonesia/Pacific).
Northern goshawks (genus Astur) used to be a single species, but they are now considered two different species: the Eurasian Goshawk (Astur gentilis) and the North American Goshawk (Astur atricapillus).
American goshawk is only misleading if you think 'America' refers to the US, instead of the Americas as a whole. Every country in North and South America is 'American', as are their people. Unfortunately, the US has co-opted the word, so many people think it refers only to the US, which it does not.
Another interesting film thank you Ben. Good to see you feeling better
You Looking Healthier and Healthier.
Keep up the recovery.
now i dont practice falconry but here in south africa we have Chanting Goshawks a few Goshawks and a few
sparrowhawks, Lots of beautiful Raptors
Ty Ben!
Great insight
Ur looking healthier and healthier...GOD SPEED!
My Dad back in the 60's had a European Gos Hawk named Rip
Some good information and some information I would not be able to agree with. I'm a goshawk breeder and have worked with them for a life-time now. (which doesn't necessarily make me right) First, I would not consider the Finnish birds to be the largest goshawks. At least not any finnish birds that we have available. The largest goses we see are the albidus and beutioides. Next, while I do agree that the euro birds are often a better first time gos, there are some major pros and cons. I see a lot of Imprinted Euro females get very aggressive as they age. I am often offered imprinted euro females that the falconer has become afraid of. We hardly ever see this in the N.A. females. (We also don't see it in the males of either flavor) So the euro females are easier to mess up, for lack of a better term. I often see this aggression pop up in my euro gos breeder females. I've never seen it in my N.A. breeder females. But another factor, you mentioned, while the euro females are easier to ruin, they are healthier in the sense that they do not contact diseases such as asper as easily. So the euro birds are healthier and often have longer lives, but they have that quirk of being easy to mess up. There are also some flight style differences, that I won't get into. It is subtle but in a nutshell the american birds seem to fly with a bit more "flash." But a goshawk that is handled correctly and flown regularly is, IMO, the most deadly game hawk there is.
Thank you for sharing your insights and personal experience in here. I greatly appreciate it.
I'm no an expert by any means in this subject, but as far as I know, there is atleast the third speces of a true hawk in europe, mainly in the south. Accipiter brevipes.
The Grey lines on the chest are opposite in direction is how you tell them apart right off at looking at them
I will save and buy one some day. :)
01:40 The northern goshawk has NOT been recently separated. What happen is that what were called two strong subspecies are now called two weak species (the most close in the same super species). The change in classification was MINIMAL and had NO other implications than those ones related to politics of conservation.
Question on the time to become a master falconer ?
Is it 5 years including being an apprentice and general class or is it 5 years on top of the apprenticeship and general class that u have to do first ?
no red eyed goshawk in your thumbnail?
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