What separates the kettlebell halo from the mace 360
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- Опубліковано 27 січ 2023
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I laughed at myself the first time I tried to swing a 10lb mace.
My dumbass started by buying a 20 lb mace…. 20 minutes later I was ordering a 10.
Yep, my first mace was 7.5 kilos (ca 16 lbs), because KBs that weight were no problems. How hard could it be?
Couldn’t do a single full swing with it. Went and bought a 4 kg one to start learning with.
What is a good weight for beginning mace 360? I have an oak wooden dowel with no weight that I am using to get the movement down. I think I have the form and movent down but actually need a weighted end to do it properly.
@eversostrong I found 10lbs to be good. With adex mace you can go lower
Same😅
You’re a star. You listen to viewer questions, and follow up. Good teachers do that. They close loops. Cheers Mark.
Not gonna lie, you kind of look like a Bond villain/henchman with that coat and mace...
its a great coat
Excellent and clear explanation as always Mark. I've been doing kb halos as part of my pre-breakfast morning mobility this last month. I do the 3 minute neck mobility that was posted a while ago, then kb halos 30 seconds in each direction then I finish it off by sitting deep in a goblet squat for 1 min with the same kb. Really starts my day off right.
Excellent
Doing these are always fun with short arms and a big head. Always hit my ears 😂
You're gonna get cauliflower ears, then nobody is gonna mess with you!
I completely understand! My arms are like a t-rex 🦖
Kettlebell halo is a great exercise… insanely good
Excellent!
Thanks for your videos.
Mark is in a beautiful place. Thank you for the video
Interesting video!
Thanks!
Perfect explanation, almost ASMR in its clarity and precision. Also always appreciate the reference to how humans are built and designed to function and perform. Putting things in context makes training more meaningful.
Great breakdown!
Thanks!
Being better/forced into better technique with long levers the reason you’ve mentioned staff training as the beginning of your martial arts teaching? This is all so freaking cool Mark! Learn something with every video.
Absolutely
@@MarkWildman any theories on why this isn’t a more common approach?
The feedback from being under load and using long levers has forced me into better biomechanics, better awareness, and forced me to not compartmentalize muscle groups - but to think of movement patterns/full body engagement. I imagine that to be crucial in martial arts (I have never pursued martial arts but hope to at some point). Been training with your programs for half a year today! 6 months of tracking everything and being able to reference the progress has literally changed my life.
@@everetthardin1220I think its not done because people haven't engineered the idea as well it could be engineered. as far as I know, im the only guy with the background to assemble all the pieces into an engineered strategy. most martial artists are not engineers, nor do they understand historical weight swinging. I happen to have all the pieces but I think I might be the only one. but the seminars are meant to make my ideas spread so hopefully it becomes more common place
Great explanation
Very informative!
"Endurant Monsters!"
Beautiful terrain!
Need a t-shirt that says Tool Using Endurance Monster.
Absolutely excellent! 😂
Not a bad idea
Good video. It would be helpful to see more videos comparing similar movements and explaining how they might address different goals or deficiencies.
I’m open too ideas
@@MarkWildman I have mild functional.scoliosis, tight quadraquadratus lumborum, right side hip hike and all the things that go along with it. I do club and mace work daily, and kettlebell 3 to 4 times a week, along with some running. I tend to gravitate towards grinding workouts of a single or a few simple moves. I know all the unilateral and rotational/anti rotation work helps immensely and keeps things in check, but I feel I could probably be doing more specific things to address the imbalances. I kinda feel like i know the type of movements i need to be doing.....somewhat. I just have a hard time deciding what will give me the most bang the buck time wise.
@@MarkWildman after marinating on it for a while and thinking more deliberately, maybe I don't need comparisons. You do a good job of grouping families of movements that logically progress. You've got so much content it seems like information overload when it really isn't. Based on what I rememeber from past videos and what I feel when I do the movements, I'd probably pick Jefferson curl, 2 hand mills, suitcase carries, some progression of windmills and pivoting uppercut to focus on a little more in addition to the things I already do regularly. And I also saw another coach do a vid on an offset steel mace single leg dead lift that feels like it might be perfect.....big difference side vs side.
Anyway, thanks for all your content. I look forward to each new video, even when it's something I'll probably never do.
As I start to add volume, the fascia in my upper body, from my thoracic spine to my fingers, remind me to take it very slowly. From my perspective, the mace and clubs require a very long-term adaptation. Practitioners beware. Enjoying the journey.
They do require a long term adaptation. There’s a reason the basis of strength program is so long.
Thanks, Mark! Love the content. I heed your words. This reminds me a bit of the long term adaptation that climbers need to go through with their upper body fascia as the grip is the predominant limiting factor. We have got nothing on the older generation of laborers and sailors. Popeye was real people.
So much good information…
Thanks! Waiting on a company to deliver my mace and was wondering if I can use kettlebells until then. Now I have my answer. Planning a morning workout of Dand, Baithak and Mace swings. And until then it'll be KB halos instead. I'll add a bit of rotation to it too.
Wrestlers in the Indian sub continent have been practicing mace ( called a GADA) halos for centuries as a basic training drill. Most are able to handle relatively heavier weight loads and sustained sessions. The mace used is usually made of bamboo/wood handles with cement or such similar material at the weighted end. Absolutely basic gear..... but very effective as almost all these wrestlers have immense grip strength and upper body mobility....
Lovely explanation! Thanks Mark
You have any 70s in?
@@MarkWildman I do. I’ll send one over to you.
Rad
It's amazing how much better the technique must be when between a club and mace of the same overall weight especially when you get up to 10 or 12 kg.
10 minute mace 360s? Wow, I'll have to try that. I'm 60 and have worked up to sets of 15 per direction with a 25lb Onnit mace. 10 minutes would be an entirely different affair. I'll have to start with the 10lb mace and see how 10 minutes feels. This is only guessing, but I think I can do it with the 10lb, and _maybe_ with the 15lb. I'm positive I can't do the 20 or 25lb for 10 minutes straight ... but that would be bad-ass.
I have done both kettle bell hallo and mace 360. The both have a different feel and it seemed to me they work the shoulder differently because of lenght.
Killer contant man .
Coach, great video, I just noticed the difference myself between the KB halos to the mace 360 and the effect on the tendons and ligaments. When I do mace 360's with my left hand on top I get sharp pain in my elbow on the behind the back swing phase. I don't have this issue with the hands reversed or while doing KB halos.
Any tips to reduce or eliminate the pain in my left elbow on the mace 360?
Now I kindof want to see someone 360ing a ten foot mace ontop a box.
I am enjoying your videos more and more, highly informative and have definitely got me hooked to both kettlebell and mace training. By the way, that's a sick jacket right there, where can i get that exact same model? We have the same build: broad shoulders and muscular torso. That an XL?
It’s a jacket from S&G (designed by sequoia Emmanuel to high fashion art photographer) . The company is now defunct. I think there may have only been 3 of these. But I’m looking into manufacturing my own new version
Does it mean that if you are using a mace or a mace-like setup, the halo movement should and is more likely to involve a bit of a body swing because you would be moving a longer equipment behind your neck and hence, to bring it back, you need to slightly swing your body to ensure the halo movement is maintained? What I am using right now is more like a smaller mace but slightly different - it is two rods of adjustable dumbells connected using the standard nuts that come with the product and towards one end of it, I have placed about 12 kgs of weighted plates. Visually - like a mace but just shorter. When I use this, the body does move/swing slightly to bring it back over the shoulder versus when I use a barbell plate, the body remains more upright and rigid.
Lots of your videos have cues for resisting extension of the torso/spine and maintaining tension on the front of the body (plus glutes) for good form when using CB and KB. All good cues.
Do you include training outside of weight swinging to build strength and control in back extension with hips and shoulders included? i.e. superman/superwoman pose and similar family of movements? It's not batman, but it's still super 😀
I don’t currently. That idea use to just get rolled into aerial training. I’m not doing that currently but I’ll get back to it eventually
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10 minutes nonstop? Going to have Popeye arms.
I'm currently using an 8kg/17.5lb club for my weekly single arm flows. What would be an appropriate starting weight for a two handed mace?
Start around 10 to 12.5 if you are doing flow
Also KB halos are not ballistic, it's a constant TUT.
Have you ever done mace, club or kettlebell on a bosu ball? Seems in line with the planted feet and toes pointed forward because that’s how we walk.
For years
Worth it?
@@jackedwin9538 definitely
When you say 10 minutes of mace do you mean any mace move or specifically 360s without stopping?
this video was specifically about mace 360
Always worried I'm gonna take my head off with this one.
Mark, does ten minutes mean 5 min. in each direction?
It means 10 min. 5 min each side is advanced. 30 reps / min x 5 = 150 reps nonstop before hand change. There are many steps from 5 before hand change to 150 reps before hand change
My right shoulder doesn’t like shield casts. Any tips on ways to progress?
Single arm inside circles and outside circles
@@MarkWildman how heavy should I be able to do before doing shield casts?
Would you do 5min L and 5min R ? Or just 10min in 1 direction?
being able to rotate both directions equally well is key to pain free health. and equal amount both directions always.
This is a bit off subject but I have the Krav Get Up program and would love to be able to cast it to my television from my phone. Any updates coming to the site that may allow that? I'm an Android user by the way.
VLC for android + chromecast puck
@@cioran1754 Thanks, I'll try it.
@@mikes3523 I should have said the puck only supports certain video formats so need to check Wildman-video file format first....
( MP4, WebM, MPEG-DASH, Smooth Streaming, and HTTP Live Streaming (HLS) are supported video formats )
If video is in other format (mkv ; avi ; flv ) you'd have to convert them first.
You also don't have to use VLC player ( my setup ), there are other options, the google home app can mirror your android phone on the TV, that should be handy setup.
@@cioran1754 I have an old Chromecast I bought quite a few years ago so not sure if it will work, but it is HDMI so I don't know that they have necessarily changed over the years. I didn't even think about screen mirroring it, never tried that with video. Thanks for the suggestions.
@@mikes3523 if not, and you're in the US, a 3rd gen chromecast is now $19 I think.
good luck with it !
So instead of going up a size in my heavy clubs, would it be better to get a mace?
Both. Mace and club do different things.
@@MarkWildman I understand, I am just wondering which would be a better complement to my kettlebell and calisthenics training. On a side note, the clubs seem to have cured my golfer's elbow I was struggling with your years, which is awesome.
@@jasonwelsh417 club
Do you switch this in the opposite direction.
Yes
@@MarkWildman nice thanks. I tried this tonight
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Hi Mark, I am posting this here in hopes you will see it, as comments are disabled in Kajabi for the 2 Hand Club program.
In timers on minute 28 of the Level 2 timer in round 4 4:8 there is no audible countdown timer.
This has already tricked me a couple of times, as while I focus on the exercise, I use the audible countdown to know when the 30 seconds are about to finish.
Any chance to fix this and re-enable comments in Kajabi, so we can post these comments there when we find any snags?
Thanks in advance and I want to add the 2HC program is awesome so far.
I am going on 2.5lbs increments with an Adex club and after 6 workouts I already notice improvements in my body, both in performance, pain mitigation and even in adding muscle.
On an added note, it seems the Adex club and mace no longer come with the 1.25lbs plate, as I didn't get it for any of my orders and it is not present in the sheet that shows yiu the different weights and maths.
I’ll check on that. Comments where on, but people have been reporting a few Kajabi glitches
@@SilvaPiri You have to order it separately. I just received mine about a week ago.
@@SilvaPiri Looks like only the Wildman edition kit comes with the 1.25lbs plate.
Thanks everyone. Didn’t notice that on the 1.25 plates