The NER Atlantics seem to be forgotten which is sad when they were such highly thought of locos on the East Coast Mainline in their heyday both class V and Z worked for many years right into early BR days.
Some people feel the finest Atlantics were on the GCR and nicknamed "Jersey Lillies" after a famous actress. I prefer the Atlantic over the 4-4-0 as it is better balanced. The small boilered GNR Atlantics were a fine Edwardian Design and one preserved is "Henry Oakley".
An overlooked British Class were the L&Y Atlantics,later LMS,and they ran Express Services,all over the Lanky! Add some overseas,versions,Examples;PRR E-series,RDG/CNJ Camelbacks,NYC Gibson Girls,[I Classes],ATSF simple and Compounds,(various Classes),SP A Classes! Enough variety to keep Manufacturers going for years,and not repeating themselves! That above was the tip of the iceberg! Thanks Sam,for that colorful intro to British motive power! Thank you 😇 😊!
I think the interesting locos were the purchase by the Great Western of French Compound Atlantics. Churchward built one of his Saints with 4 coupled wheels as a direct comparison with the French Compounds. His conclusion was that the advantage of improved adhesion of 6 coupled wheels was superior, and that compounding was no advantage when good superheating was used on simple engines. Yes the Adams 4-4-2 is still an Atlantic and is a tank engine, Atlantic being a 4-4-2 in the same way that 4-6-2 refers to Pacifics. The Adams 4-4-2s survived because there was no other Southern engine suitable for the Lyme Regis branch with relatively sharp curves. They only handled two coaches and if more were required two engines would be used.
Fun fact: the Atlantic got its name based on the race to receive the first of the class. The Boston & Maine, Atlantic coast line, and Lehigh Valley railroads. Each held a wager to who would be the first and the builders were also racing to deliver. The LV would come in last with a entire day behind but the B&M would lose by less than a hour.. had it not been for a delay the Atlantic would have been called the Trailer! Ofcourse the ACL took the victory naming the loco after its railroad. Atlantics are just pretty locos and there is something so engaging seeing their massive drivers with such close rods making strides that feel so smooth.
The Reid Atlantics of the NBR were massive machines, and, IIRC, were used as the basis for his Pacific design... But my favourite has to be the Adams Radial, which I've loved ever since I encountered it on the Bluebell Railway...
Hi John, I agree with you on the Adam’s Radial Tank, it is my favourite as well. I have built an O gauge Shedmaster Kit and I built it into early BR lined black livery. Most of my locomotives are early BR Livery purely this allows me run models from various regions. Regards from Ron 🚂 22:33
@@danieltheblueschoolsclass927 The boiler is actually from a GNR Atlantic which was used I think as a stationary heating boiler or from some industrial plant.. so technically the current beachy head is closer related to the Great Norther.. how poetic
i suppose with the radial tank it's because it's basically an earlier 4-4-0 design with a pony to support a bunker. many of those larger tank engines are small tender engines that only have extra wheels for the fuel.
My favourite wheel configurations are the 4-6-0 and the prairie. I have always loved the look of GWR 4-6-0s and they were arguably the most advanced locomotives in Britain during the 10s and 20s. I also love the royal Scots and the B1s. I have always thought the prairies have a balanced, well proportioned look. I am a fan of all prairies from the GWR, to the V2 to the BR standard tanks. Atlantics are of course very beautiful as well. Great video Sam!
For me it's the Adams radial tanks of the LSWR - very elegant, very unusual looking, also stunning in Adams green of the south western. And yes, they do count as atlantics.. they're Atlantic tanks. The Bluebell railway has the only example left, No. 488 which lead quite the life. Own the Hornby one of her and its my favourite loco. The new Beachy Head is also based there, built by the Atlantic group. quit the interesting new build - think her boiler is from an original Great northern Atlantic and she uses some components form her original namesake. The Bluebell always wanted to preserve an LBSC Atlantic.. but it was just a bit too early in preservation. Great video Sam 👍
The H2 does have a longer roof over the cab affording some cover for the fireman in inclement weather. I also like the look of these locomotives as they give you the era they were built by the appearance. Great content, Jersey Bill
Not sure if it qualifies as an Atlantic but Gresley C9s would make a great model, defined as either a 4-4-2 Atlantic or a 4-4-4-4 articulated tank, maybe something interesting enough for Rapido to have a go at one day
I believe there was a GWR Atlantic which was an early version of the Saint class built by Churchward in 1905, then was rebuilt in 1913 to the 4-6-0 Saint class that we know of today like 2999 Lady of Legend.
These Atlantic locoscare amazing! I might have to get one. The Bluebell's new build example is running really nicely so well worth a look and I say well done to the team who built it!
I love the Atlantic type. They’re some of the most elegant locos ever built, and unfortunately there aren’t really many of them around now. The LBSCR H1/2 is my favourite, but I do also love the GNR Small Atlantic (basically just Henry Oakley) and the LNWR Precursor Tank, which I’d love to see models of some day.
Hi Sam, loved the video, I used to live near Sheffield Park in East Sussex where the Bluebell Railway is based. My home village Newick is where the railway ran through until Beechings axe fell! I've also been fortunate to see and ride on their H2 Atlantic Beachy Head this year. Theres a few quid of mine in her restoration. When she's at rest the sounds coming from her sound like shes slowly breathing! Awesome engine and power; when running sounds totally unique to me, cylinder noises etc are so different to the rest of their collection! The various videos of her running front convey her presence! They've also got an Adams radial there # 488, which I believe is undergoing some form of restoration as well. She's never been in steam since I lived nearby or at least I cant remember it steaming!
The NER class V and Class Z, Atlantics...absolute corkers.. As per usual, NER passenger express locos always ignored in favour of GNRs... 😉. Seriously though, lovely locos, maybe the class Z was one of the first 3 cylinder express locos...certainly on the ECML..
Also forgot to mention, the C1 of the GNR, only got you to York,, the easier and shorter of the ECML to Edinburgh, the V and Z got you from York to Edinburgh.
EXCELLENT! Fun fact: according specifically to Sir Bertram Topham Hatt in a video in Engine Arrival created by Fan of Hiro himself, the Atlantic (4-2-2) type of wheel configuration is basically his own official favorite wheel configuration!!
I do like anything in green for a locomotive, however, that umber colour is so much better as it looks very rich on a locomotive and tender. Another great colour that was similar to that umber, was used at the Bluebell Railway for many years on Birch Grove.
The C1 and H1 Atlantics are just beautiful locos,they’ve been on my list ever since Bachmann introduced them in model form. And there is a E6 Atlantic from the PRR ( Pennsylvanian Railroad) which Broadway Limited made,an expensive model but such a wonderful looking loco
The orange colour in the coal tender was probably a proprietary coating to resist Sulphur and moisture. Similar to coatings inside fuel tanks. It could be that someone knew someone who had that tech. There are other practical reasons that industry also sometimes uses bizarre bright colours to help with cleaning/QA of cleaning or for visibility in low light... so maybe to more easily see the level of the coal during filling in low light. In this case I would suspect if these reasons were valid then white would have been chosen since white is hard wearing and would show rust better than orange does.
What a welcome and pleasant surprise. An excellent choice of subject, Sam. I'd not paid the Altantics much attention until first I watched Chris Eden Green's video on the subject of the real thing, and now yours. First class viewing. Oh, and yes, the Adams tank does count as an Atlantic 😊
Atlantics are so cool-looking. 😎 Yes, tank engines count. Would LOVE for the GCR 8B/C7 to be made, I’d pick up a GCR version plus another to make an AU Henry. Wink wink for those who know. Would also love the NER V and Z classes, but the NBR H takes priority. We need more North British, dang it!!! And for American Atlantics, Fox Valley Models made the Milwaukee Road class A, a streamlined Atlantic, in HO. It’s a recent model, but hard to find now, and can be a bit pricey… Also pay no heed to Kelly, I think that chick doesn’t know how to love anything fun. And while part of me thinks it’d be funny for Bachmann to corner the market, let’s have Rapido, AccuraScale, or Sonic Models have a go. Thanks for the video, Sam.
I can see that! The Atlantic is a very unique engine. I love the colour scheme and shape, it really stands out from the other engines. Great video, keep it up Sam!
Samuel, I will change your mind! The A4 Pacific is the most iconic locomotive in the British isles, and the design is exquisite! And hornbys model features a die-cast chassis, 5 pole motor and tender pickups! All jokes aside, the atlantics are amazing, just as your video is! Great stuff as always Sam :)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. My favorite British locomotive is the LB&SC 4-4-2 "ATLANTIC" H1 La France. It has some interesting history behind it.
Amusingly, I've shot a good few trains on the Tennessee Central's mainline in Tennessee. The Nashville & Eastern Railroad operates a large section of what used to be their main running from downtown Nashville & Vine Hill to Monterey, TN, to their east.
I bought the GNR locomotive after I saw your last video. I discovered the GNR operated in Mickleover where I lived until fairly recently. I personally love the 4-4-0s best but the C1 is really nice. I do like the red areas on green locos like with the City Class.
I feel i owe you an apology sam! I have searched up and done much research on nem couplings, and you are indeed correct that the y7 doesnt have them - i should never have doubted a professional modeller! Great video sam, hope youre well
My favourites are 0-6-0 tender locomotives. Equally at home on passenger or freight, branch or mainline. The real workhorses of the railways. Where would we have been without them.....
My favourite was the 4-4-0 as well, but after witnessing Beachy Head in all her glory, it's definitely a tough one. I love the Midland Compound and the 483/2P tender locomotive in S&DJR blue. The Great Central 11F/D11 is also one contender due to it's GCR green livery, which is my favourite pre-grouping railway. Although, if Beachy Head would be repainted into LBSC Umber, I may change my mind. Great Video, Sam. Love the Atlantics 👍
FINALLY managed to snag a Bachmann H2 online a week ago, from Japan of all places. Have to wait another two weeks for it to get here but definitely can't wait to run it. If Bachmann were to release another run of these, I would buy one in LBSCR Umber, day one!
I think one of the differences between the Adams Radial and the others is that it’s firebox is between the driving wheels but the tender engine have it behind
The Robinson C5 Atlantic of the Great Central (later LNER) was a nice looking class. I also like GWR French built De Glehn locomotive , The bogie design of which was used by Stanier and later Riddles.
Sam, you should look into the Pennsylvania Railroad E-6 Atlantic, one of which is in the Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum in Strasburg PA. It hauled a one time train called "The Lindbergh Special" which was chartered to carry the movie film from Charles Lindburgh's return after his flight to Paris. Also, the first Milwaukee Road "Hiawatha" in the 1930's was hauled by a streamlined Atlantic.
My favourite steam locomotive class from Britain has to be the 4-6-2 Pacifics, particularly, A3 Flying Scotsman in apple green with the smoke deflectors, as in the NRM guise Hornby produced circa 2004 (I think?), a close second being the LMS Red Duchess/Coronation class in it's post-streamlined design, once again, with the smoke deflectors. But my favourite steam locomotive class has to be the 2-8-4 Berkshires, particularly the N-1/S-2/S-3 Class from the Pere Marquette, Nickel Plate & Erie Railroad particularly (Why yes, I do like the Polar Express.) Honorable mentions to the Duplex locomotives (PRR T1 and S1, 4-4-4-4 and 6-4-4-6 respectively) and the good old Big Boy, 4-8-8-4.
I'd personally say they're also the best American steam locomotives! I bought the Broadway Limited Pennsylvania Railroad E6 Atlantic when it came out and it's one of my favorite models, worth every penny!
The Atlantics are a great class. Personally my favorite is the Stirling Singles. They are just so beautiful and the models always look amazing same to it’s real self.
Atlantics are one of my favorites too. Unfortunately they are quite rare here in the US due to being so small, and finding models is pretty tough, especially if you're not looking for Pennsylvania railroad engines. I've got a couple kit built and brass ones, at least. They would have been a big improvement over the 4-4-0's and 4-6-0's before them, as the trailing axle allows a bigger firebox without compromising loading gauge. Ultimately the fire is the source of energy in steam engines, and the bigger the fire the more power you can get out of it. I think why I initially wanted some was I thought that Pacifics would be too big for my first layout when I was much younger. I never found one I liked then, and now I realize if I had I would've likely been buying used and having to fix it up, which I was not equipped for then. 20-some years later I'm no longer a teenager and have developed a little more skill and patience.
My favourite Atlantic is the LBSC H2, especially after seeing the replica Beachy Head at the Bluebell Railway back in July this year As for which Atlantic I’d like to see produced in OO, it would be the NBR H Class
Maybe somebody has 3D printed a C1 Atlantic... I do agree about the smaller one you showed in the black and white photo, it's very aesthetic 👍 I have always liked the 4-6-0 locomotives myself, the LMS Patriot Class, the so called 'Baby Scots'.....
A favourite class of atlantics is the LB&SCR I 1 to 4 classes. These were Atlantic tanks which had a long history of being poor steamers but over time they really came into their own
Hi Sam, I think it depends what's sitting above the wheel set. I still love a Prairie as long as there's a Collett or Churchward sitting above, but that's just me. Cheers.
Many British steamers usually very much do exuberant elegance with all their most intricate lining. Our personal preference would be the LNER Gresleys however; the Pacifics. On those, all design elements look quite very well balanced. The streamliners were of course the very pinnacle. The Atlantics are another thing for sure. The cabs of the C1 and H1, H2 seem to be a tad off-beat perhaps. That is, they do look a bit on the short side. Each their own of course. The Atlantics do look their part most certainly. Cheerio.
While I do normally go for the Pacific’s I will agree that the Atlantics are nice looking engines, as I said on your recent re review of the GNR C1 that is one I do want to add to my own fleet. Finally had my articulated LNER coronation Coaches arrive, from an initial look hornby look to have done a great job on them, just waiting for the observation car now.
The terms atlantic, mogul, pacific ect refer soley to the wheel configurations . Tenders have no impact on what a loco becomes. Look at the A5 from the CG Yes its a pacific despite being a tank
On the subject of British Atlantics, some British built 4-4-0s exported to Japan were converted into 4-4-2 tank engines later on in their lives. They are known as the JGR Class 1070, some survived in commercial use well into the 1970s. 😊 Edit: I'm so happy you mentioned a British export loco, not seen many people talk about this type of thing but it's something I'm really interested in. TCR stands for the Taokow-Chinghua Railway (道口-清化鐵路), that thing never went to the US as far as I know. I wish some manufacturer can make British locos exported to Asia, they are fascinating machines.
That's very interesting thanks for that - I'll have to google those! Yeah that was fun - enjoyed talking about something a bit different for a change! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For me Sam it has to be the GNR C1, I absolutely love them. Although I really wish I could find one for a good price, hopefully one day I will. Cheers Jasper & Willow
About that Oxford Rail Adams Radial Tank, you did replace the motor on it. I consulted your video and OOBill's videos on how to repair that particular model. I bought a spectacular cosmetic condition, non running factory weathered EKR Green one online for under £45. These models unfortunately suffer from two issues: a weak motor from the factory and a gel like grease that makes the mechanism stiff to turn, overwhelming the motor and causing it to burn out. Mine was DCC equipped and burned out its DCC chip before the motor had a chance to fry. Motor works well now that I've completely removed that awful grease but it is a noisy runner. Still, looks great though
Interesting about the Bachmann Atlantic chassis - I'd also wondered if they were all the same. The best coaches to run with the LBSC H1 are the rare early Pullman coaches which Hornby made ages ago - they have white stripes above the windows, which makes quite a difference to their appearance. Other Atlantics I'd like to see are the Great Central 8B Jersey Lily class and, like you, the North British Reid Atlantic.
If you like Atlantics, look up Martin Evan’s book: Atlantic Era, The British Atlantic Locomotive. As to which is best, look up the De Glehn Compounds and specifically Great Western Railway number 102 “La France”. An extremely good looking and important machine. This type was the pro-generator of some of the most amazing machines - all 4 cylinder 4-6-0s of the GWR and the French Chapelon compounds.
I think that in an Atlantic the trailing truck wheels are there to take some of the weight of the large firebox, while for the likes of the Adams radial tank the rear wheels are just used to support the weight of the coal. Even easier rule, if the tender version is 4-4-2 then it's an Atlantic. Of course the tank gets an extra set of wheels for the coal, so the tank version of an Atlantic should perhaps have a 4-4-4 wheel arrangement? This is just my speculation, I don't know if there's a definition of what is or isn't an Atlantic.
I’m surprised no mention of the GWR De Glehn compound atlantics, there were three of them and their general layout of the cylinders served as a template Swindon copied for the Stars, Castles and Kings, albeit with the compounding removed and an extra set of driving wheels.
I think, given that you haven't made your own loco this year, you should look into making an Atlantic next year, certainly keen on that North British Railway H Class, given that the NBR has a minimal presence in the hobby & I think it may provide you with an opportunity to make a loco with a flywheel. Failing that there was also the North Eastern Railway Z Class (LNER C7) of which two locomotives were equipped with boosters (rebuilds by Gresley & reclassified as C9s under the LNER) which I imagine would make for a fascinating model because the booster would give the appearance of an articulating bogie between loco & tender
The H2s had larger cylinders (so more powerful) and a straight running plate (so easier to build) instead of dipping between the cylinders and the drivers. I do like Atlantics, but don't have a model of one yet (well, a tender one. I have an Adams Radial from Oxford, identical to yours). Ideally a C1 in GNR green and brown, a H1 in LBSCR umber, and a H2 either in Southern olive green or BR black as Beachy Head. I'd love to see a NER C7 atlantic, including the rebuilt C9s (4-4-4-4s, rather than a 4-4-2 plus 6-wheeled tender. And I'm sure modellers would love for someone to do a new tooled GWR Saint, including the Atlantic versions. A De Glehn atlantic would be awesome too, both original and Swindonised versions. I rode behind Beachy Head on her first weekend in service on the Bluebell Railway back in September, and she's beautifully done. Her tender was piled rather high with coal, so I joked that she's tender drive.
On a totally different topic ... the moment you wheeled out (pardon the wholly intentional pun) the 6 wheel coaches, I thought "wait, how does that setup work?" Short wheelbase 4 wheel coaches, yes, understand those, along with the later and larger coaches with bogies at each end. But 6 wheel? A subject for a future video? Coming back more on topic, I'm also puzzled as to why Bachmann cornered the market for Atlantics. Which leads to another video suggestion - the most "niche" locos produced by the manufacturers. :) For some reason I can't quite articulate, the Atlantics look like they would have been produced by an outfit smaller than Bachmann, they have a "niche" look about them to the untrained eye (and at this level of antiquity, mine's definitely an untrained eye!). Though I note how "La France" looks _stately_ in appearance, as befits a royal train hauler!
That's not orange on the lbscr tender, it is "improved tender county cream" Another Atlantic which looks amazing is the Garratt articulated version, very handsome.
I couldn't agree less Sam! I find that the Atlantics look stubby and dumpy. I find the Prairie (2-6-2, like a Gresley V2) looks the best, closely followed by the Pacifics. They look like racehorses.
@juniorfarm3003 I know I'm not sam, but I love accurascale, they produce affordable, detailed and overall amazing locos! If you can get a loco from them, I'd highly recommend!
Surprising that you didn't mention the Pensylvania Railroad E6 atlantic. One of these beat a plane in a race once. Mabe that NBR Atlantic could make for an interesting 3D orinted project? The only NBR engine we have ready to run is the J36 (NBR C class) so this would make an interesting cadidate.
Maybe It would be an interesting video to make about the loco's that never have been build as a OO gauge model, and I think there are enough not build, you can do one a separate video on steam, diesel and electric. We see so many brands copying each other, I don't get it what they gain out of it. The risk that the competition is beter than your brand, even damages your reputation. I personally find it a bit annoying, while they complain on one side that there budget is tight, and on the other hand they make it even worse by fears competition…
The NER Atlantics seem to be forgotten which is sad when they were such highly thought of locos on the East Coast Mainline in their heyday both class V and Z worked for many years right into early BR days.
Probably because they have no preserved examples. I've heard that there were plans to build a new V Class after the G5/O Class is finished.
Some people feel the finest Atlantics were on the GCR and nicknamed "Jersey Lillies" after a famous actress. I prefer the Atlantic over the 4-4-0 as it is better balanced. The small boilered GNR Atlantics were a fine Edwardian Design and one preserved is "Henry Oakley".
Ah fantastic I'll have to look at those, if there are photos! Yeah I think I prefer the Atlantic to the 4-4-0 these days!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yes, I agree, David. My next choices would be the NBR Reid Atlantics and the L & Y Aspinall Highflyers.
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An overlooked British Class were the L&Y Atlantics,later LMS,and they ran Express Services,all over the Lanky! Add some overseas,versions,Examples;PRR E-series,RDG/CNJ Camelbacks,NYC Gibson Girls,[I Classes],ATSF simple and Compounds,(various Classes),SP A Classes! Enough variety to keep Manufacturers going for years,and not repeating themselves! That above was the tip of the iceberg! Thanks Sam,for that colorful intro to British motive power! Thank you 😇 😊!
Not to mention the L&Y ones (supposedly) reached 117 mph on a run.
I think the interesting locos were the purchase by the Great Western of French Compound Atlantics. Churchward built one of his Saints with 4 coupled wheels as a direct comparison with the French Compounds. His conclusion was that the advantage of improved adhesion of 6 coupled wheels was superior, and that compounding was no advantage when good superheating was used on simple engines. Yes the Adams 4-4-2 is still an Atlantic and is a tank engine, Atlantic being a 4-4-2 in the same way that 4-6-2 refers to Pacifics. The Adams 4-4-2s survived because there was no other Southern engine suitable for the Lyme Regis branch with relatively sharp curves. They only handled two coaches and if more were required two engines would be used.
Not forgetting the LBSCR I3 class 4-4-2 tanks. I remember 00 works doing a model some while back.
Fun fact: the Atlantic got its name based on the race to receive the first of the class. The Boston & Maine, Atlantic coast line, and Lehigh Valley railroads. Each held a wager to who would be the first and the builders were also racing to deliver. The LV would come in last with a entire day behind but the B&M would lose by less than a hour.. had it not been for a delay the Atlantic would have been called the Trailer! Ofcourse the ACL took the victory naming the loco after its railroad.
Atlantics are just pretty locos and there is something so engaging seeing their massive drivers with such close rods making strides that feel so smooth.
My favourite Atlantic is the GNR C2/LNER C12 4-4-2Ts
Very good choice - gorgeous engines!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Reid Atlantics of the NBR were massive machines, and, IIRC, were used as the basis for his Pacific design... But my favourite has to be the Adams Radial, which I've loved ever since I encountered it on the Bluebell Railway...
Hi John, I agree with you on the Adam’s Radial Tank, it is my favourite as well. I have built an O gauge Shedmaster Kit and I built it into early BR lined black livery. Most of my locomotives are early BR Livery purely this allows me run models from various regions. Regards from Ron 🚂 22:33
The preserved H2 Atlantic it is 32424 Beachy Head it run on the Bluebell Railway.
It’s a replica
Absolutely! I'd love to see her some day!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@superplushtiman7ti075 Well some of the parts that used for this replica in fact from the original engine, isn't it?
@@danieltheblueschoolsclass927 the regulator handle is from the original, and I think that’s it
@@danieltheblueschoolsclass927 The boiler is actually from a GNR Atlantic which was used I think as a stationary heating boiler or from some industrial plant.. so technically the current beachy head is closer related to the Great Norther.. how poetic
i suppose with the radial tank it's because it's basically an earlier 4-4-0 design with a pony to support a bunker. many of those larger tank engines are small tender engines that only have extra wheels for the fuel.
Yeah that seems right - technically an Atlantic though!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My favourite wheel configurations are the 4-6-0 and the prairie. I have always loved the look of GWR 4-6-0s and they were arguably the most advanced locomotives in Britain during the 10s and 20s. I also love the royal Scots and the B1s. I have always thought the prairies have a balanced, well proportioned look. I am a fan of all prairies from the GWR, to the V2 to the BR standard tanks.
Atlantics are of course very beautiful as well. Great video Sam!
Ahh good choices - the 4-6-0 is very much a classic - lots to choose from too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For me it's the Adams radial tanks of the LSWR - very elegant, very unusual looking, also stunning in Adams green of the south western. And yes, they do count as atlantics.. they're Atlantic tanks. The Bluebell railway has the only example left, No. 488 which lead quite the life. Own the Hornby one of her and its my favourite loco.
The new Beachy Head is also based there, built by the Atlantic group. quit the interesting new build - think her boiler is from an original Great northern Atlantic and she uses some components form her original namesake. The Bluebell always wanted to preserve an LBSC Atlantic.. but it was just a bit too early in preservation.
Great video Sam 👍
Gotta love n.e. r C7 's anda wordsell cab!
I'll look that one up Mikey - thanks for that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The H2 does have a longer roof over the cab affording some cover for the fireman in inclement weather. I also like the look of these locomotives as they give you the era they were built by the appearance. Great content, Jersey Bill
Ahh good spot Bill - thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Not sure if it qualifies as an Atlantic but Gresley C9s would make a great model, defined as either a 4-4-2 Atlantic or a 4-4-4-4 articulated tank, maybe something interesting enough for Rapido to have a go at one day
I agree to be honest. The “Atlantic” is like. A piece of artwork!
I think so too - almost too beautiful to be practical!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I really do like atlantics, but the Pacific’s just take the cake for me! Their presence on the track is unmatched for me!
I believe there was a GWR Atlantic which was an early version of the Saint class built by Churchward in 1905, then was rebuilt in 1913 to the 4-6-0 Saint class that we know of today like 2999 Lady of Legend.
That's fascinating - I'd really love to see that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains there is plans for the new build Saint 2999 to be converted to an atlantic configuration in the future.
20:48 Considering that they were inherented by the LNER, they most likely wore apple green and later black after they were demoted from express work.
I like the shots where the camera tracks alongside the locomotive. It really shows off the dive linkage action.
Thank you!! I like those too :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
These Atlantic locoscare amazing! I might have to get one.
The Bluebell's new build example is running really nicely so well worth a look and I say well done to the team who built it!
I love the Atlantic type. They’re some of the most elegant locos ever built, and unfortunately there aren’t really many of them around now. The LBSCR H1/2 is my favourite, but I do also love the GNR Small Atlantic (basically just Henry Oakley) and the LNWR Precursor Tank, which I’d love to see models of some day.
Thanks Josh - I think they are too - pity they are so few!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, loved the video, I used to live near Sheffield Park in East Sussex where the Bluebell Railway is based. My home village Newick is where the railway ran through until Beechings axe fell! I've also been fortunate to see and ride on their H2 Atlantic Beachy Head this year. Theres a few quid of mine in her restoration. When she's at rest the sounds coming from her sound like shes slowly breathing! Awesome engine and power; when running sounds totally unique to me, cylinder noises etc are so different to the rest of their collection! The various videos of her running front convey her presence! They've also got an Adams radial there # 488, which I believe is undergoing some form of restoration as well. She's never been in steam since I lived nearby or at least I cant remember it steaming!
The NBR Loco looks amazing and will be on my Christmas list when one is produced. ❤
The NER class V and Class Z, Atlantics...absolute corkers.. As per usual, NER passenger express locos always ignored in favour of GNRs... 😉. Seriously though, lovely locos, maybe the class Z was one of the first 3 cylinder express locos...certainly on the ECML..
Also forgot to mention, the C1 of the GNR, only got you to York,, the easier and shorter of the ECML to Edinburgh, the V and Z got you from York to Edinburgh.
EXCELLENT! Fun fact: according specifically to Sir Bertram Topham Hatt in a video in Engine Arrival created by Fan of Hiro himself, the Atlantic (4-2-2) type of wheel configuration is basically his own official favorite wheel configuration!!
I do like anything in green for a locomotive, however, that umber colour is so much better as it looks very rich on a locomotive and tender. Another great colour that was similar to that umber, was used at the Bluebell Railway for many years on Birch Grove.
Absolutely - really hard to choose between the green and the umber!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Marsh Umber is just a beautiful livery, but unfortunately there aren’t any locos wearing it at the moment. Hopefully the H2 New Build gets it one day.
The C1 and H1 Atlantics are just beautiful locos,they’ve been on my list ever since Bachmann introduced them in model form.
And there is a E6 Atlantic from the PRR ( Pennsylvanian Railroad) which Broadway Limited made,an expensive model but such a wonderful looking loco
The orange colour in the coal tender was probably a proprietary coating to resist Sulphur and moisture. Similar to coatings inside fuel tanks. It could be that someone knew someone who had that tech.
There are other practical reasons that industry also sometimes uses bizarre bright colours to help with cleaning/QA of cleaning or for visibility in low light... so maybe to more easily see the level of the coal during filling in low light. In this case I would suspect if these reasons were valid then white would have been chosen since white is hard wearing and would show rust better than orange does.
my favorite Atlantics
are called panniers
Same here
my personal favourites 4-6-4 Hudson/Baltic types, my favourite of these being the NYC Dreyfusses
Ahh the big engines! Yeah they're super impressive too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What a welcome and pleasant surprise. An excellent choice of subject, Sam. I'd not paid the Altantics much attention until first I watched Chris Eden Green's video on the subject of the real thing, and now yours.
First class viewing.
Oh, and yes, the Adams tank does count as an Atlantic 😊
I would say another minor difference between the h2 and h1 is the h2 has external pipe work for the vacuum ejector
Atlantics are so cool-looking. 😎 Yes, tank engines count.
Would LOVE for the GCR 8B/C7 to be made, I’d pick up a GCR version plus another to make an AU Henry. Wink wink for those who know.
Would also love the NER V and Z classes, but the NBR H takes priority. We need more North British, dang it!!!
And for American Atlantics, Fox Valley Models made the Milwaukee Road class A, a streamlined Atlantic, in HO. It’s a recent model, but hard to find now, and can be a bit pricey…
Also pay no heed to Kelly, I think that chick doesn’t know how to love anything fun.
And while part of me thinks it’d be funny for Bachmann to corner the market, let’s have Rapido, AccuraScale, or Sonic Models have a go.
Thanks for the video, Sam.
I can see that! The Atlantic is a very unique engine. I love the colour scheme and shape, it really stands out from the other engines. Great video, keep it up Sam!
Samuel, I will change your mind! The A4 Pacific is the most iconic locomotive in the British isles, and the design is exquisite! And hornbys model features a die-cast chassis, 5 pole motor and tender pickups! All jokes aside, the atlantics are amazing, just as your video is! Great stuff as always Sam :)
The A4 is a fantastic contender - you're right they are exquisite!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. My favorite British locomotive is the LB&SC 4-4-2 "ATLANTIC" H1 La France. It has some interesting history behind it.
Ahh fantastic choice - amazing looking engine that one!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Do you mean the one designed at Doncaster?
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I think that's the GNR C1s
Amusingly, I've shot a good few trains on the Tennessee Central's mainline in Tennessee. The Nashville & Eastern Railroad operates a large section of what used to be their main running from downtown Nashville & Vine Hill to Monterey, TN, to their east.
I bought the GNR locomotive after I saw your last video. I discovered the GNR operated in Mickleover where I lived until fairly recently. I personally love the 4-4-0s best but the C1 is really nice. I do like the red areas on green locos like with the City Class.
I feel i owe you an apology sam! I have searched up and done much research on nem couplings, and you are indeed correct that the y7 doesnt have them - i should never have doubted a professional modeller! Great video sam, hope youre well
Thanks Jack - that's okay, I'm glad you agree!! Many thanks for getting back to me!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My favourites are 0-6-0 tender locomotives. Equally at home on passenger or freight, branch or mainline. The real workhorses of the railways. Where would we have been without them.....
My favourite was the 4-4-0 as well, but after witnessing Beachy Head in all her glory, it's definitely a tough one. I love the Midland Compound and the 483/2P tender locomotive in S&DJR blue. The Great Central 11F/D11 is also one contender due to it's GCR green livery, which is my favourite pre-grouping railway. Although, if Beachy Head would be repainted into LBSC Umber, I may change my mind. Great Video, Sam. Love the Atlantics 👍
FINALLY managed to snag a Bachmann H2 online a week ago, from Japan of all places. Have to wait another two weeks for it to get here but definitely can't wait to run it.
If Bachmann were to release another run of these, I would buy one in LBSCR Umber, day one!
I think one of the differences between the Adams Radial and the others is that it’s firebox is between the driving wheels but the tender engine have it behind
The Robinson C5 Atlantic of the Great Central (later LNER) was a nice looking class. I also like GWR French built De Glehn locomotive , The bogie design of which was used by Stanier and later Riddles.
I like the Brown and Gold liveries. H1 is lovely..
Sam, you should look into the Pennsylvania Railroad E-6 Atlantic, one of which is in the Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum in Strasburg PA. It hauled a one time train called "The Lindbergh Special" which was chartered to carry the movie film from Charles Lindburgh's return after his flight to Paris.
Also, the first Milwaukee Road "Hiawatha" in the 1930's was hauled by a streamlined Atlantic.
I really like the NBR H class. Certainly looks powerful and it’s a shame that one missed preservation
The Atlantics are always well balanced, good looking locos. The LBSC umber livery is outstanding.
now this is a video i can get behind!
My favourite steam locomotive class from Britain has to be the 4-6-2 Pacifics, particularly, A3 Flying Scotsman in apple green with the smoke deflectors, as in the NRM guise Hornby produced circa 2004 (I think?), a close second being the LMS Red Duchess/Coronation class in it's post-streamlined design, once again, with the smoke deflectors.
But my favourite steam locomotive class has to be the 2-8-4 Berkshires, particularly the N-1/S-2/S-3 Class from the Pere Marquette, Nickel Plate & Erie Railroad particularly (Why yes, I do like the Polar Express.)
Honorable mentions to the Duplex locomotives (PRR T1 and S1, 4-4-4-4 and 6-4-4-6 respectively) and the good old Big Boy, 4-8-8-4.
I'd personally say they're also the best American steam locomotives! I bought the Broadway Limited Pennsylvania Railroad E6 Atlantic when it came out and it's one of my favorite models, worth every penny!
Your channel is a real treasure trove of inspiration. Thank you for your contribution!🦖🏍💵
The Atlantics are a great class. Personally my favorite is the Stirling Singles. They are just so beautiful and the models always look amazing same to it’s real self.
Awesome video Sam
There’s nothing better than a good Atlantic locomotive 🥰
I loved the atlantics when I first saw one I especially love the GWR saint (before it was modified into a 4-6-0 )
Atlantics are one of my favorites too. Unfortunately they are quite rare here in the US due to being so small, and finding models is pretty tough, especially if you're not looking for Pennsylvania railroad engines. I've got a couple kit built and brass ones, at least.
They would have been a big improvement over the 4-4-0's and 4-6-0's before them, as the trailing axle allows a bigger firebox without compromising loading gauge. Ultimately the fire is the source of energy in steam engines, and the bigger the fire the more power you can get out of it.
I think why I initially wanted some was I thought that Pacifics would be too big for my first layout when I was much younger. I never found one I liked then, and now I realize if I had I would've likely been buying used and having to fix it up, which I was not equipped for then. 20-some years later I'm no longer a teenager and have developed a little more skill and patience.
Totally agree Sam Atlantics are very handsom locos.
My favourite Atlantic is the LBSC H2, especially after seeing the replica Beachy Head at the Bluebell Railway back in July this year
As for which Atlantic I’d like to see produced in OO, it would be the NBR H Class
The wheel configuration that I'll always be partial to is the 4-4-0 (specifically the ones you'd see in the American civil war)
The Atlantics are such a rare thing in ho/oo Sam. Hopefully one day we will get some more.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Maybe somebody has 3D printed a C1 Atlantic...
I do agree about the smaller one you showed in the black and white photo, it's very aesthetic 👍
I have always liked the 4-6-0 locomotives myself, the LMS Patriot Class, the so called 'Baby Scots'.....
A favourite class of atlantics is the LB&SCR I 1 to 4 classes. These were Atlantic tanks which had a long history of being poor steamers but over time they really came into their own
I thought the I3’s were pretty good?
Hi Sam, I think it depends what's sitting above the wheel set. I still love a Prairie as long as there's a Collett or Churchward sitting above, but that's just me. Cheers.
Many British steamers usually very much do exuberant elegance with all their most intricate lining. Our personal preference would be the LNER Gresleys however; the Pacifics. On those, all design elements look quite very well balanced. The streamliners were of course the very pinnacle. The Atlantics are another thing for sure. The cabs of the C1 and H1, H2 seem to be a tad off-beat perhaps. That is, they do look a bit on the short side. Each their own of course. The Atlantics do look their part most certainly. Cheerio.
Very interesting video today Sam Lernt a lot about these locomotives
While I do normally go for the Pacific’s I will agree that the Atlantics are nice looking engines, as I said on your recent re review of the GNR C1 that is one I do want to add to my own fleet.
Finally had my articulated LNER coronation Coaches arrive, from an initial look hornby look to have done a great job on them, just waiting for the observation car now.
The terms atlantic, mogul, pacific ect refer soley to the wheel configurations .
Tenders have no impact on what a loco becomes.
Look at the A5 from the CG Yes its a pacific despite being a tank
On the subject of British Atlantics, some British built 4-4-0s exported to Japan were converted into 4-4-2 tank engines later on in their lives. They are known as the JGR Class 1070, some survived in commercial use well into the 1970s. 😊
Edit: I'm so happy you mentioned a British export loco, not seen many people talk about this type of thing but it's something I'm really interested in. TCR stands for the Taokow-Chinghua Railway (道口-清化鐵路), that thing never went to the US as far as I know. I wish some manufacturer can make British locos exported to Asia, they are fascinating machines.
That's very interesting thanks for that - I'll have to google those! Yeah that was fun - enjoyed talking about something a bit different for a change!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For me Sam it has to be the GNR C1, I absolutely love them. Although I really wish I could find one for a good price, hopefully one day I will.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
About that Oxford Rail Adams Radial Tank, you did replace the motor on it. I consulted your video and OOBill's videos on how to repair that particular model.
I bought a spectacular cosmetic condition, non running factory weathered EKR Green one online for under £45.
These models unfortunately suffer from two issues: a weak motor from the factory and a gel like grease that makes the mechanism stiff to turn, overwhelming the motor and causing it to burn out.
Mine was DCC equipped and burned out its DCC chip before the motor had a chance to fry. Motor works well now that I've completely removed that awful grease but it is a noisy runner. Still, looks great though
Interesting about the Bachmann Atlantic chassis - I'd also wondered if they were all the same.
The best coaches to run with the LBSC H1 are the rare early Pullman coaches which Hornby made ages ago - they have white stripes above the windows, which makes quite a difference to their appearance.
Other Atlantics I'd like to see are the Great Central 8B Jersey Lily class and, like you, the North British Reid Atlantic.
sam you did replace the adams radial . s motor last year i saw it & the black one too
Yes that's right isn't it? I did make a new mount for them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If you like Atlantics, look up Martin Evan’s book: Atlantic Era, The British Atlantic Locomotive. As to which is best, look up the De Glehn Compounds and specifically Great Western Railway number 102 “La France”. An extremely good looking and important machine. This type was the pro-generator of some of the most amazing machines - all 4 cylinder 4-6-0s of the GWR and the French Chapelon compounds.
STH: "I wanted an Atlantic, and that son of a bitch sent me that!"
Henry: "WHAT THE FU-?!"
I think that in an Atlantic the trailing truck wheels are there to take some of the weight of the large firebox, while for the likes of the Adams radial tank the rear wheels are just used to support the weight of the coal.
Even easier rule, if the tender version is 4-4-2 then it's an Atlantic. Of course the tank gets an extra set of wheels for the coal, so the tank version of an Atlantic should perhaps have a 4-4-4 wheel arrangement? This is just my speculation, I don't know if there's a definition of what is or isn't an Atlantic.
The TCR is for Taokow Chinghua Railway. Haven't been able to find anything on a british built 4-4-2 on the Tennessee Central.
I also like Atlantics - Fun fact: The GWR Star Class prototype was also a 4-4-2 Atlantic!
I’m surprised no mention of the GWR De Glehn compound atlantics, there were three of them and their general layout of the cylinders served as a template Swindon copied for the Stars, Castles and Kings, albeit with the compounding removed and an extra set of driving wheels.
Nah! The BR Standard Class 9F was the steam engine GOAT.
I think, given that you haven't made your own loco this year, you should look into making an Atlantic next year, certainly keen on that North British Railway H Class, given that the NBR has a minimal presence in the hobby & I think it may provide you with an opportunity to make a loco with a flywheel. Failing that there was also the North Eastern Railway Z Class (LNER C7) of which two locomotives were equipped with boosters (rebuilds by Gresley & reclassified as C9s under the LNER) which I imagine would make for a fascinating model because the booster would give the appearance of an articulating bogie between loco & tender
Thank you for your hard work! Your videos are always so entertaining and helpful.♀️🏄🏵
Good choice there Sam. For me though my favorite Steam engines are anything Industrial like 0-4-0 Andrew Barclays tank engines.
Hey Sam, you should come down to the Bluebell and ride on “Beachy Head” … you’ll love it mate, bring your Missis ..
The H2s had larger cylinders (so more powerful) and a straight running plate (so easier to build) instead of dipping between the cylinders and the drivers.
I do like Atlantics, but don't have a model of one yet (well, a tender one. I have an Adams Radial from Oxford, identical to yours). Ideally a C1 in GNR green and brown, a H1 in LBSCR umber, and a H2 either in Southern olive green or BR black as Beachy Head.
I'd love to see a NER C7 atlantic, including the rebuilt C9s (4-4-4-4s, rather than a 4-4-2 plus 6-wheeled tender. And I'm sure modellers would love for someone to do a new tooled GWR Saint, including the Atlantic versions. A De Glehn atlantic would be awesome too, both original and Swindonised versions.
I rode behind Beachy Head on her first weekend in service on the Bluebell Railway back in September, and she's beautifully done. Her tender was piled rather high with coal, so I joked that she's tender drive.
Atlantics are engines, not trains!! There you go, that’s your mind changed for you :) :)
On a totally different topic ... the moment you wheeled out (pardon the wholly intentional pun) the 6 wheel coaches, I thought "wait, how does that setup work?"
Short wheelbase 4 wheel coaches, yes, understand those, along with the later and larger coaches with bogies at each end. But 6 wheel?
A subject for a future video?
Coming back more on topic, I'm also puzzled as to why Bachmann cornered the market for Atlantics. Which leads to another video suggestion - the most "niche" locos produced by the manufacturers. :)
For some reason I can't quite articulate, the Atlantics look like they would have been produced by an outfit smaller than Bachmann, they have a "niche" look about them to the untrained eye (and at this level of antiquity, mine's definitely an untrained eye!). Though I note how "La France" looks _stately_ in appearance, as befits a royal train hauler!
That's not orange on the lbscr tender, it is "improved tender county cream"
Another Atlantic which looks amazing is the Garratt articulated version, very handsome.
I have to agree these have such elegant looks great video
I’ve got a h2 tervous head for 219 pounds probably overpriced
What about the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway H igh Flyers. The best atlantic of them all!
I couldn't agree less Sam! I find that the Atlantics look stubby and dumpy. I find the Prairie (2-6-2, like a Gresley V2) looks the best, closely followed by the Pacifics. They look like racehorses.
Really excited to see more i just started to collect ho scale trains from bachmann what is your favorite train brand???
@juniorfarm3003 I know I'm not sam, but I love accurascale, they produce affordable, detailed and overall amazing locos! If you can get a loco from them, I'd highly recommend!
counterpoint: 0-4-0 saddle tank engines are adorable
Surprising that you didn't mention the Pensylvania Railroad E6 atlantic. One of these beat a plane in a race once.
Mabe that NBR Atlantic could make for an interesting 3D orinted project? The only NBR engine we have ready to run is the J36 (NBR C class) so this would make an interesting cadidate.
Interesting Sam - Thanks for sharing!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
Believe it or not the first few Great Western Railway saints were built as Atlantics but they were all rebuilt by 1913 into 4-6-0s
Maybe It would be an interesting video to make about the loco's that never have been build as a OO gauge model, and I think there are enough not build, you can do one a separate video on steam, diesel and electric.
We see so many brands copying each other, I don't get it what they gain out of it.
The risk that the competition is beter than your brand, even damages your reputation.
I personally find it a bit annoying, while they complain on one side that there budget is tight, and on the other hand they make it even worse by fears competition…
The cab roof on the Humber is longer than the Gn green