WHY BOXING IS "NOT" A MARTIAL ART‼️ (LETS ARGUE!!)
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-  Boxing is not a traditional martial art!! Here I will explain why Boxing is different, and you could even make the argument MMA, has-spawned into its own category with a heavier overtone of sport, leaving behind the art aspect of the traditional background of Martial Arts. I want to hear what you think in the comment section. Why are you believe Boxing is or is not a martial art?
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Coach my father was a boxer and I came up under boxing. I'm now an active muay thai boxer & have been for quite some time. I still practice boxing because it's part of muay thai. Boxing is definitely a gentlemen's sport. In my opinion boxing is more elusive and practical. Boxing isn't a form of martial arts but it is a combat sport. Growing up I've seen and heard of a lot of boxers whipping martial artists asses, PAUSE! But it's a fact. No disrespect towards any martial artist or any martial art form but my preference is the sweet science & the science of 8 limbs!!!🥊🥊🐅🐘💪🏽💪🏽💯💯💯
I could not have said it better myself brother I completely agree with your perspectives that’s pretty much my story growing up as well. I feel to just throw Boxing in a giant category, overshadowed the individuality, and true essence of what the sport is really about!
As a Taekwondo, boxing is a martial art and a highly effective one. If I fought a boxer, I would get destroyed.
I was raised in Jujitsu and wrestling. My closest cousin was a lifetime boxer. In a boxing match he got me everytime, the second we opened it up to full format I was ahead 90% of the time. No bold claims here. Just my cousin and I learning off eachother and sparring
Boxing is not realistic. In street, you can hit back of head. No rules. I am serious.
@@FirstLast-cb7sv There's no safe martial art, everyone of them has flaws. I would use Jiu-Jitsu and Wrestling against a boxer. But dangerous people usually have other dangerous people with them. Run, have a weapon, stay out of a dark alley, walk away from the argument. You have to have a mixture of different styles. A MMA fighter will do good in a street fight but the person might have a gun, be too big, and multiple attackers. And just hope for the best or avoid try avoid the entire situation. I jumped in a double attack, even if I knew Jiu Jitsu then, they would still beat me. During the attack, I was able to run away but took damage. If I stayed and try to fight them more, I might not be alive.
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I am learn variety martial arts (silat, Muay Thai, karate, taekwondo, BJJ, judo, boxing, wing Chun). I keep what work for me. Not all martial arts perfect but compliment each other.
Actually, silat some part similar to BJJ. For example, Kimura lock similar to python hand lock. The more you learn, the more you appreciate.
Boxing is good. Just duck to low, you will get punch in back of head or get knee. That my advice. Do not duck to low. Except you confident don't get hit at back and knee to head.
dont look down on yourself, you know how much you have given for your discipline, I also starting in tkd, then boxing, them mma and bjj/judo. Taking a break to fokus on boxing and lifting.
I like that you mentioned Kata. Kata in boxing is shadowboxing. Same concept. The moves in your Kata or form (in Kung Fu) are just putting together the different techniques in the style you are learning to mimic what would be done in an actual fight. Same for shadowboxing. As far as practicality in a real fight, boxing is definitely superior in many regards simply because the techniques have a more direct line to the opponent. However, most strikes in both boxing and martial arts are similar. For example, the straight punch in Karate or Kung Fu is very similar to the jab of boxing with the difference being the jab of boxing is less rigid in practice than the straight punch. This is why Bruce Lee incorporated boxing into JKD because of that fluidity in the hand strikes of boxing. Bruce also incorporated the footwork of boxing with his main model being the late, great, Ali. Legend has it that when Bruce was challenged by a Kung Fu traditionalist who was part of a collective trying to stop Bruce from teaching Kung Fu to the masses, Bruce attacked him with a Wing Chun straight blast, which is a series of very fast, straight punches, with both hands, in rapid succession. Supposedly, the opponent kind of curled up in a standing fetal position and Bruce was unable to hit him like he wanted to and that was the end of the fight. At that point, Bruce deduced that if he knew boxing, he could have hit the opponent with hooks and uppercuts even if the opponent took that defensive stance. That was the birth of JKD. Anyway, it's my opinion that it is all martial arts but I completely understand the position that this brother is taking as well.
Never seen any fighting style is effective like boxing, and wrestling in a real life self defense.
Boxing as a martial art is just a handy category.
Just to my limited knowledge and experience, typical martial arts haven't really changed for hundreds of years, kung fu taught today is the same as it was taught in the dark ages, same katas, same techniques etc.
I'm struggling to put into words what I mean, because there are only so many ways you can punch, but watch a championship boxing match from say the 50s, 60s or 70s, and you will see a much different fight if you compare it with today's
I agree with the fact that people do generalize boxing and put it in a giant category of martial arts again, without truly looking into what the sport is all about if they did they would see there are so many differences between traditional martial arts, and the sport of boxing the only commonality is that they are both a form of fighting, but to say every form of fighting is a martial art is way too much of a general statement, and to me is not accurate because by its structure, Boxing has no other similarities to martial arts. Other than the fact they have both evolved into businesses that teach self-defense in modern times.
I think that boxing is a martial art -- just not a "traditional" martial art. It's definitely not an Eastern/Asian/Oriental martial art but I'd still consider it a martial art (in my opinion anyway). It's definitely a combat sport and old dirty boxing was like the street defense aspect of boxing. Boxing isn't a complete martial art because it doesn't do extensive clinch work, does no ground fighting and does not teach and train weapons -- but I still consider it a martial art nonetheless -- as limited as it is it is one of the best or the best at what it does do -- and it mixes well with other martial arts (the military uses boxing in it's combatives and martial arts programs for it's soldiers and the word martial arts means "military arts" and implies that the skills taught are those that are "pertaining to warfare or combat"). Opinions may vary. I integrate boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, judo, jiu-jitsu (jujutsu/taijutsu), military combatives and weapons training into my Kudo Ryu Bujutsu martial arts school's curriculum.
Concerning martial arts belt systems -- there's a huge difference between "grade" and "rank". "Grade" is like what techniques and skills you know and possess -- whereas "rank" is how good you are at applying the techniques and skills versus other skilled and resisting opponents /groups / teams / military forces etc. Black belt is not a rank. Being the best boxer, karate fighter, wrestler, judo fighter, military, sports team etc. is a rank. Grade only shows that you have a minimum level of proficiency in a given set of technique or skill sets whereas rank shows you can apply the techniques and skills against other high level, experienced and trained and fully resisting fighters / teams / military units etc.
And one last comment about competition and competitive arts -- competitive fighting is not a "style" of martial arts -- it's a training method. In times of war, warriors are always tested in battle and often -- but in times of peace or in off-duty times competitive martial arts (boxing, wrestling, kendo, etc.) are ways of getting some battle experience in as close to real-life conditions against a fully resisting opponent (inside a rule set of course) to make training as realistic and safely and under as close to real-life situations as possible -- competitive martial arts training was originally added to martial arts training to make them more realistic (but are not "styles" of combat in and of themselves).
Thanks for your input coming from a martial arts background myself after seeing both sides of the fence I can definitely say that Boxing is a completely different animal even though again, there are many parallels they evolved in opposite directions meaning martial arts was meant for self-defense initially, and became a sport as to where Boxing was always a sport that can be used lysed for self-defense but that is not what it is intended for. Like the analogy, I use to compare a sport shooting to it’s applications in a real life scenario where you may have to hit moving targets from different distances with short reaction time that’s not a self-defense system, but it can definitely be applied at such. Boxing will only enhance other fighting styles and not detract from it.
I definitely feel boxing and MMA heavy volved into their own systems and have left the traditional ways in the past much to your point!
Boxing is Art❤
In my mind it's a martial art going all the way back into antiquity. With it's emphasis on conditioning and real time sparring it is much more effective than a McDojo type style. In practical terms it's frightening to think what a proficient boxer could do to the average man in a street fight. Also boxing can be seen as a core art. Throw in some elbows, knees, stomps and head butts and learn to throw and sprawl and you have a fierce streetfighter. Just my 2 cents.
I respect your opinion, brother, and as I mentioned to others I used to feel the same way but truthfully there are a lot of differences between what a traditional martial art is and what boxing is. Since its inception, Boxing was never meant for self-defense. It was a combat sport meant for entertainment that eventually evolved into a form of self defense for non-competitors. And I am no historian but from what I have been taught , Boxing having started with the Sumerians as a form of entertainment and athletic display with no philosophical art/way of life overtones or belt system was a competitive sport not an art. That is one of many reasons I do not consider it a Martial art.
the history aspect now i see your point@@coachv3436 . do you think this hurts boxing? luckily i train at a boxing gym with the head coach who has a martial arts background - so the gym has a bit of 'respect' atmosphere, which i really like about it. on the other hand you have said many philosophical things you learn about from boxing, Paulie Malignaggi also said boxing teaches a lot about character. so that kind of makes it a martial art but not in the traditional sense.
Indeed... as soon as you officially compete, it is a combat sport, not a martial art ... judo, jiu-jitsu, wrestling... combat sports ... jutaijutsu... martial art ... boxing, karate, kickboxing, muay thai ... combat sports ... kenpo ... martial art ... fencing, kendo .. combat sports ... kali, hema, bujinkan... martial arts ...
Serious respect to all athletes and disciplines, but boxing training can't be beat for us "average joes". Vs ju jitsu, which i feel is more popular now, you can practice effectively without damaging your back /hips and joints via padwork and technical sparring, and its one of the few disciplines that becomes effective quickly due to its initial simplicity. I played hockey in high school so I thought i knew tough training but holy hell are boxing workouts on another level...I just wish people understood how fast boxers are on their feet compared to the typical combatants in martial arts...so no, not a martial art in complexity and ranking, but gets to the point just the same!
Excellent breakdown brother. I completely agree on all points. The simplicity of the science of boxing combine with the heavy emphasis on athleticism to me, makes it more easier to accelerate in a shorter period of time for those who are physically gifted enough to execute the techniques in real time against opposition on their level experience wise
Grappling is definitely harder on the body, and I do agree that boxing is more practical. The only thing with striking is that you’re giving real punishment. With grappling you can control the situation without it escalating.
Traditional martial arts is completely played out. Unless you're from Japan or China or you just have an obsession with those cultures I don't understand why you would want to waste your time learning all those forms and choreographed dances. Just show me how to kick someone's ass that's really all I want out of training 🤷🏽♂️
Thank you for your input brother I know right let’s just get to the point lol
Boxing is the purest of all martial arts. Its also a science. Every boxer with a different style has the potential to make it work for him, thus making it subjective, and hence art.
Well, it sounds like we have a case of arguing semantics here. The term “martial art” was first used was to refer to European weapons combat. So one could deduce that “martial arts” simply means systems of fighting. So boxing is in fact, a martial art not a “traditional martial art” like Muay Thai or judo. “Traditional martial arts” encourages traditions like mandatory attires or shouting in the art’s native language
Boxing is the toughest sport of them all. You can’t be just “good” in boxing and hope to become a champion or make it to the big stages. An average Joe would have more chances to become champion in MMA if he’s good at one thing but in boxing, you better have some athleticism, backed up with skills, technique, IQ, etc. And there’s no room for mistakes in boxing.
Some soft ass dudes think they’re hard because they train a little bit of BJJ but they would get smacked the fuck up because they have no hands. Any fight starts on the feet and usually the hands are what you need the most.
I completely agree, staying on your feet, while you’re hurt, and having to act and react in fractions of a second consistently requires a much higher level of athleticism. I respect grappling, but it is definitely not as demanding or as dangerous as boxing competition period
@@coachv3436 Facts 💯💯
To me, the three toughest stand-alone combat sports that require the most athleticism and conditioning are boxing, muay thai, and wrestling. But I would say wrestling is the toughest and requires the most athleticism. Terence Crawford is one of the most athletic boxers today and comes from a long line of wrestlers. Artur Beterbiev demolishes people but started off with wrestling in a country that produces some of the best wrestlers in the world. Gable Stevenson is a 265 pound wrestling beast who can do flips and handsprings. Tyson Fury is quick for a guy his size, but I wouldn't say he's as athletic as Stevenson. Also, most UFC champions come from wrestling backgrounds. Other than that, boxing is one of my favorite sports and my favorite tool is the double end bag. What do you think coach? Great channel by the way!
Lmaoo I feeel you but a boxer wouldn’t know what to do on the ground or if someone grabs them … ITS ESSENTIAL TO know BOXING & BJJ if u ask me 🤷🏽♂️
The difference between All martial arts are their own set of rules for competition/ sport events. When you focus more on the practical self defense aspect of the martial arts, then they seem to be more similar to each other.
Boxing in itself doesn't have a self defense curriculum but it just works very well and improves all martial arts if it's added to training.
I think that’s where a lot of people get it confused it’s not a self-defense system, but it can be used as such kind of like how sport shooting isn’t for self-defense, but it would work in a self defense situation
I practiced Kung Fu for four years before transitioning into boxing 🥊, coach I thought it was going to be a piece of cake but I was caught off guard. Boxing 🥊 is a different breed of fighting science and i am loving it and I don't want to go back to any other martial arts again. I love boxing 🥊 it's already in blood, i am addicted to it.
imo, hard to rank combat skills but boxing is tied top 2 right next to jiu jitsu. Aint no akido master with a kung fu grip gonna kick mine or anyone else trained in boxing or jiu jitsu butt
Boxing is king , boxing is real boxing is strong even in street fight boxing is effective , and give you confidence on your self you feel like you have an arme and weapon , me to i was a sanda and muay thai fighter and I learned judo - wrestling - jiujitsu but boxing is a different level man 💪
Thank you brother I appreciate your input it's definitely a whole different ball game When weapons are involved but still it is always better to have the boxing foundation and then branch off from there if you're in a self-defense scenario
@@coachv3436 yes coach , thank you soo much
Boxing is not a martial art. Neither is wrestling and together they are about the most compete effective self defense system there is. I hate the belt system. BJJ and Judo should do alway with it. Whoever gets the most subs or throws is the best. My father in law is an 8th degree taekwondo black belt, but I don’t mess with it, I’m just too big of a pussy to throw a kick in a real fight and most of it seems utterly useless in a real situation for me, but I do train a little Muay Thai for the elbows and knees.
Exactly well said brother I wish more people weren’t too dumb to distinguish the difference 😏
@@coachv3436 If, I were King (probably wont happen) I’d make everyone when they got to 10th grade. Have to get on a mat with a world class grappler and in the ring with a world class boxer. Not to get hurt. Just for perspective. Just to play around and feel the difference in what human beings are possible. It would let everyone see where they really are in the pecking order and how different some human beings are. And you every never no who your talking too. Or cutting off in traffic etc… I think we would have a much safer and well trained population.
the true is boxing is the one of deadly martial art
Martial arts is about discipline & boxing is definitely a martial art so is kickboxing
Had 10 years of Taekwondo (beside other martial arts) before transitioning to boxing, and I can agree that boxing is way too different than just being a martial art. Taekwondo is helping me with my boxing footwork, I'm 6'5 220lbs, and people still can't understand how Is it possible for me to be much fast and agile on my feet and have quicker head movement, but I'm hungry I want to improve and be a war machine and a good super heavyweight boxer.
It’s definitely the quickest way to get the best out of your fighting ability. And as I’m sure you know from having a martial arts background, Boxing can only enhance any other skills you acquire, not detract from them.
@@coachv3436 totally agree with you coach, I feel like boxing has enhanced some crazy instincts that I already have and even gave me new ones, no other sport has ever allowed me to discover more about my physical abilities 🙌🏻
Boxing by itself is just a fighting style, if however the person who is using it, combines it with the right tactics, in the right circumstances, than it becomes a marital art.
I know what you mean, but again I would just say it falls more into the category of self-defense because again martial arts is deeply rooted in tradition, philosophy governed, by belt systems. Self defense is not synonymous with martial arts although martial arts is used for self-defense, using a gun as a form of self-defense, but they wouldn’t consider that a martial art in the true sense you know
I know it's not the topic of the video, but I would like to hear your opinion about toxic coaches, boxing coaches in particular.
Love the content, broskie. But its actually yes and no. Technically boxing is a martial arts because "martial" itself means fighting or battle. But no because theres no belt system or form or lineage bs that Dojo Martial arts have.
Boxing should be the foundation of any self-defense program for men.
why is "real life usefulness" a criteria for the validity of a sport? boxing gets the crown status because it is established and has a definitive amateur system, and at the upper echelons of amateur and pro boxing, it is the MOST competitive of all combat sports (only thing close is olympic style wrestling). i love mma, karate, etc, but the talent pools are shallow in comparison....
Excellent Breakdown Champ I completely agree it is definitely in a league of its own. I would say, is the Formula One of combat sports. I would also point out that it is apples and oranges and it’s approach in comparison to say MM a they are both combat sports, but very different in nature although the evolution of MMA has created many parallels as they have used a lot of the blueprint and structure of the sport of boxing, to make it more organized.
I like the way you put that but by definition, boxing is a martial art. Due to the fact that "Martial" means combat. Combat arts. So in essence, with the way you put it, a lot of "martial arts guys" who never had real fights or real sparring are just practitioners of martial arts as opposed to being martial artists. Just call boxers (us) martial artists 2.0.😂
Kind of like a guy who calls himself a soldier but has never been to war
Good debate! I've only practiced boxing never any other martial art so hard to compare on a perso level. Talked to a Karate guy and he says the martial arts have a "philosophy" and a "tradition". Boxing certainly has a very old tradition but if you wanna talk about philosophy, there is an engrained respect between boxers. The rest, I don't know
Boxing is a martial art. The term originated in the West, not Asia, and is derived from latin "Ars" art, way or manner of doing something, (it has nothing to do with art in the sense of say, painting or dance or expressive arts, similar constructions with the word art in this sense would include things like "the art of carpentry, or "the art of warfare" and "Martialis "of or related to Mars, Roman god of war, i.e warfare and violence. It's a common misconception that martial arts were an Asian invention (they're not) and additionally the term itself predates most European contact with the Far East. All human cultures have martial arts, and boxing is one of the oldest and most effective of the many that have originated in the West, and is certainly one of the top striking arts in the world.
It's funny when people argue that only traditional asian martial arts deserve the right to use the name, because the first documented use of the term in the english language is in some European manuals of sword fighting.
The term itself on a fundamental level (etymology) simply means "techniques for use in military/fighting context".
So yeah, I'm going to argue that boxing definitely qualifies. In fact, in practical terms it's arguably more effective than a lot of traditional styles.
Also, even if we are going with the age as a way to build "historical credit", boxing is one of the oldest hand-to-hand combat styles in the world, since its use was already documented in ancient Greece.
Karate dorks 😂 I swear karate guys are the first ones to start arguing about why their style is better than 90 per-cent of them like you said have never even had a fight it is hilarious how personal people take things when they spent thousands of dollars on some crap that doesn't even work in the real world
Boxing is definitely an artform; from pressure boxers, Mexican or Cuban style, Soviet Boxing, Brawler boxers, etc. But your explanation makes a ton of sense.
It’s definitely Martial. Because the word Martial is root from the word Mars, the God of War. But definite a science sure. So I’d call it a Martial Science because of its efficacy. Along with Kickboxing/MT and BJJ//Wrestling/MMA. Because they have been tried, tested and documented and witnessed more than any other.
Bruce Lee was about application, the science of fighting which is why he gravitated towards Boxing and wrestling and took from those and made his his own fighting system. Most these Martial Arts and artists are still in theory mode. Sure the average Joe probably would get sonned in a confrontation from a Martial Artist. But those who train aren’t average. If the style doesn’t apply hard sparring, then it’s just an art form.
I don't care I just hate these boxing guys and mma guys disrespecting Kung fu and some traditional martial arts Kung fu been existing for 5000 years and how these martial arts are used for century if it's bullshit!!!!!
The problem here is nobody knows what the term "martial arts" is or where it originated. You all think it has something to do with Asian fighting styles. That term comes from English and it was in reference to sword fighting of old England. But even the original English meaning of the term, means any art of fighting, "fighting art". Not gonna break down the language factor everyone is ignorant on, but yes boxing is literally a martial art by the definition of the actual original meaning.
Martial Arts were and are not specifically for self defense. They were created for war and to kill. The basics and foundations of MA can be used for self defense, but please never ever underestimate the spirituality of the intent behind martial arts. Its original purpose and design and to incapacitate, maim, and kill opponents.
Saying Martial Arts is for self defense is like saying a Gun is for protection. A shield is for protection. A suit of armor, or leather armor is for protection.
I think boxing is a sport which is both a combat and an art form. Some people will prefer the combat side, and likes the biggest puncher and the one who can take a big punch, others enjoy the artistic side, foot movement, body position and speed to avoid being hit. I am personally on the side of the latter who sees it more as an art, and more credit should be given for good defence. My preference would be for boxing to be more like a martial art. Those who see it as mainly a fight are fine, but a big slugging encounter is less martial art. I would say that MMA has much less of an artistic side as all of the martial arts used have been watered down with mainly the fighting elements remaining, it is therefore just combat not a martial art.
Gym is looking nice. And yes Boxing is not a martial art. Boxing is the truth. Many martial artists have never been in a combat sport
Thanks Brother and yes, that is true. A lot of people are surprised to see how many black belts have never had a fight. Boxers usually after six months would probably beat the hell out of most of them lol
@@coachv3436 the truth!
@@coachv3436 I agree boxing is superior
My opinion changed on this after a few months in my gym. I view it more of a combat sport or combat hobby (hobby in my case since I'm a in the masters division and not doing it at an elite prize level). Boxing stresses sparring and competition (unless you're boxing for fitness) and has a lot of emphasize on being applicable in order to win. I use to think Boxing was a martial art that was more about physicality [I'm also a Kyokushin karateka and I don't see myself going back after another year or year and half due to wanting a fight or two under my belt (which I seriously believe I'm now better conditioned to spar more effectively )] instead of spirituality.
Same with me I saw the difference after being on both sides of the fence. It was very clear to me and as I mention constantly Boxing enhances other fighting styles for those that like to do a little bit of everything. But once I step foot in a real boxing gym, I never found the Dojo as appealing
It's a Martial Art to me🤣🔥♥️💎🤷. To Each Their Own.... Many Factors To Throw back and forth.
🤣🤣 thanks for your input Champ 💪🏼
@@coachv3436 Thank You For Noticing 🔥♥️
The prize fighting aspect of all fighting styles takes away as much as it adds. While you get to see fighters win and lose there are also rules and regulations they must follow that dont necessarily translate to a street fight. That being said call it what you want, boxing is as dangerous as any fighting form if not more because they have a specific focus
Sure boxing is more like wrestling than it is like most martial arts. The video seems to wander at times into how something would be when used in the street. That is a whooooolllleeee different story.
They used boxing in ww1 and ww2 for hand to hand and trench fighting video of the dudes training simple techniques but very effective
Absolutely I actually just saw some WW2 video of marines on base in Okinawa Sparring to release stress pretty interesting
Wrestling is a martial art in everyway that boxing is only it grappling instead of striking...
Martial art = any fighting art including boxing. Boxing not a TMA though.
If a Karate or Taekwondo Mofo goes against me.same size I'm definitely whooping his ass with all the Boxing fundamentals I have learned when in the world have I seen them train counters with slips, rolls blocking distance jumping back.just to come back with more power all while blocking and shit breathing exhaling its defielnetely a proven technique aka Science whatever you do just don't underestimate no one shout out to Coach V from Chula Vista, California...
Thank you for your input brother I see you were talking from experience lol
Yes, Boxing is definitely in my opinion, more effective than most martial arts, blow for blow, because of the emphasis on athleticism conditioning and durability which most martial arts lack the level required to compete in boxing, therefore boxers are typically much better conditioned and used to coming back from damage and staying in the fight till they figure the opponent out
Is wrestling a martial art or is it like boxing where its for competition
Structure wise, I put it more in the Boxing category
I would say it is a martial art since the original purpose was to train warriors/soldiers
I like boxing way more than Karate taekwondo any of that
Spot on!
I am boxer and I will disagree with you. Boxing is first or second form of combat. You are doing combos and footwork as well as timing/technique. It may not be a traditional, but it has oldest form of combat even in battlefields.
That does not make it a Martial art
@@coachv3436 If you're practicing it and sparring it makes it an art. Especially if used early part of warfare as unarmed combat. Are you serious? What is first thing you use if you do not have a rifle or weapon?
Idk but what you're saying makes sense.
I wanna say it's a form of one but it's kinda not
Thank you much appreciated bro
I disagree boxing is a martial art in the sense it's used in combat, as in martial arts are different methods and techniques to utilize in combat, just not an eastern asian martial art which is what you described when using kata and belt systems. Boxers are technically martial artist since they are skilled in an art of war ,just not in the asian sense.
Martial arts are not just asian,as in every culture uses them from old zulu tribes,to spartans,and knights, its just the media indoctrinated people to believe martial arts are asian men in gi, which is wrong if you are skilled in an art of war you are a marrial artist in the traditional sense.knights,samurais, gladiators, boxers,wrestlers, all skilled in an art of war whether we like it or not they're all essentially martial artist.
Only people that invested a bunch of time and money in martial arts which mostly is wasted because the majority of people teaching martial arts never competed. Well, put what they teach to use in real-time with a real world experience. Want to feel like they own everything. By putting it all under the umbrella of MARTIAL ARTS Since you mentioned soldiers and gladiators According to your philosophy then direct action assaults, CQB would also be martial arts too. Right might as well add air strikes nuclear weapons.you guys own all that too, right 😏
@@coachv3436 technically yeah since they're all essentially doing the same thing,teaching to fight or preparing for combat armed or unarmed, how you see boxers train is the same way gladiators trained with weapons, I agree that majority of martial artist can't fight because they have a false sense of reality, I personally think boxing and wrestling is the most practical and realistic. You say it's different cause boxing compete for medals and trophies so it's different,but traditional martial art does too, taekwondo has an Olympic team just like boxing,it's just boxing more grittier and realistic which is why I chose to do it and quit taekwondo. I agree with you as far as the training being realistic but not claiming it as a martial art is not exactly right since it's one of the first martial arts along with wrestling to be used by warriors since the dawn of time, it's just society tricked people into think martial arts is just Asian power fantasies, when in fact martial arts is an umbrella term to encompass fighting styles all around the world ,it's just majority of it's Asian while the western society stuck to really just boxing and wrestling.
One more example the same way a gladiator hit a pell,is essentially the same as a boxer hitting a heavy bag, different context but both essentially training to fuck someone up,both training in an art of war, both are martial artist. I agree too most traditional martial artist can't fight because they train in impractical ways, I'd like to say they're more into the performance flashy side of martial arts than the competitive realistic side of martial arts. People just like to complicate things when really a simple jab cross can defeat majority of people.
Boxing is an effective Combat Style. Call it whatever, but a master of Boxing can adequately defend themselves in a fight. It is one of the oldest if not the oldest fighting style. I think that when most people think of boxing, they are considering the sport. But there is combat boxing that involves, deadly strikes along with elbow strikes (dirty boxing/street fighting) and kicking (52 blocks and kick boxing). Even Jeet Kun Do has elements of boxing in it. But I will admit that boxing is rarely taught for self-defense. Most of the time, you will see it as elements of another named system or taught to win the sport of boxing. But people have died in the ring for a reason.
This applies more or less to Muay Thai as well. The only "arts" flourish it's retained is the Wai Khru Ram Muay ritual and orgs like ONE don't do it there. The only belt system likewise are belts you win in a title fight.
Hello Coach. To me it's more like the every square is a rectangle but not every rectangle is a square situation where every combat sport is a martial art but not every martial art is a combat sport. Wrestling, Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, and a lot more martial arts, evena few with a belt system, involve live fighting and winning and sparring just like boxing and are combat sports to the same degree. There are others like Taekwondo or most types of Karate or any type of Kung Fu that are just purely martial arts for the art but being a martial art doesn't mean it can't be a combat sport or physical, but that's just what I feel
never thought of it this way. i was in kyokushin karate for a few years, which i believe gave me a bit of fake confidence. the training is very tough and we do full contact fights, BUT, theres no head punching! (kicks to head allowed). in hindsight, its absolutely wild. punching to the head adds a completely different aspect to fighting YOU CANNOT NEGATE. i still respect kyokushin guys but often wonder how they'd handle getting a punch to the face.
Semantics! Maybe we should define martial arts first before elaborating🤷🏾♂️
Coach, how do i know if am ready to spar?
you will know once you actually get in the boxing ring and start sparring lmao
Well your coach should really determine that but start out with some reflex drills to make sure you’re able to maintain focus then step it up to full sparring
@@coachv3436 fasho, ty
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Coach! Where’s your gym located?
Goshen, New York Orange County
i think that it is a martial art, just not a traditional martial art. the biggest different between traditional martial arts and contemporary martial arts is traditional will hyperfixate on technique and neglect fight iq. modern martial art/combat sports focus more on positioning and why we do what we do, while still teaching proper technique. as you said, traditional is more about the art, modern is more about the science. i think boxing is a martial art, but a modern one.
I respect boxing and would consider it an art form. It doesn't bother me either way. Good topic regardless.
i think the art aspect is what is missing a bit from mixed martial arts in terms if we can consider martial arts to teach about character and respect more explicitly. a bit of that is lost with promotions like UFC where its more about entertainment and prize fighting.
People bet money on it that explains the state of art training
Martial arts = Bullshitting around. Boxing, MMA, Sport Wrestling(Folkstyle, Freestyle, Greco-Roman, and Judo) = Actually fighting.
I’d say Muay Thai works too, BJJ I feel it spends too much time on the ground but would work on one guy
@@DrOrr I need more evidence for Muay Thai in the street. It is not even an Olympic sport. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu isn't in The Olympic Games either while Sport Wrestling, for good reason of actually fighting hard all the time just like Boxing, is but the Gracie family made BJJ popular in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Boxing, MMA, and Sport Wrestling have 100% proven consistency of working in the streets and in the fighting ring.
@@DrOrrexactly BJJ is only good in one-on-one fights or unless you're trying to find a new sex position with your girlfriend 😂😂
@@JamesJacked90 Also, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu isn't psychologically satisfying enough in fighting compared to knocking somebody out with a nice hard cross or uppercut or knocking a big mouthed man out with a nice power slam on the head AKA spiking him. I want to KNOW that I HURT the mother fuckah that I knocked out!!! I misspelt on purpose because I want people to FEEL the INTENSE ANGER of how I feel about punk ass big mouths.
Unfortunately, most not all but most martial arts nowadays have become a watered down business model that really don’t prepare you for anything and yes, there’s a lot of wasted time and energy in these giant group sessions where everyone is making mistakes going uncorrected
So true
I think all combat sports are martial arts, but not all martial arts are combat sports. They all have origins in ancient/traditional fighting systems, but not all have adopted the modern emphasis on scientific approaches, physical performance, and competition. So I would say boxing is both, but being a combat sport is what has maintained and proven its effectiveness. MMA is an interesting case because it has almost become its own martial art.
MARTIAL = MEANS MILITARY OR FIGHTING
ART = MEANS CREATED BY MAN
How is Western Boxing not a MARTIAL ART??
It's not EASTERN BOXING, but it's still originates from the military before it was a sport.
It's a MILITARY ART, OR MARTIAL ART
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A Martial art is really is any combat system involving muscle memory. U throw the jab 5000 times u become good at it…u throw the kick same amount of times same situation. Far as the competitive aspects of each art it becomes sport which requires less danger… u have a ref..nobody is gonna come from behind to attack you and u don’t have to factor in if your opponent is going to pull out a weapon. Now mma is mixed martial arts u can mix in what arts u deem most successful to winning a fight. So to conclude with my opinion I say boxing is a martial art and I would say one of the top martial arts because of the practicality of its science. And a side note boxing 🥊 is one of the fundamentals of MMA also. Salute 🫡
I used to feel the same, way any fighting system would fall under the umbrella of martial art but I think that is something that philosophy has recently been accepted due to the popularity of MMA, which I also feel has moved away from what by definition is a traditional martial art. Originally the definition of martial arts were belt, oriented self-defense/philosophical way of life with heavy emphasis on traditions with from whatever it’s cultural origins were Japan/China in particular then, as civilization involved in the south, defense necessity was the less prevalent it geared towards a Sports/business model instead of being passed down from generation to generation organically. Boxing, on the other hand, since its inception was a past time for the Sumerians and was always a form of competition/entertainment that self-defense, because, as you know, with those times, there wasn’t self-defense, there was just a warfare and hand to hand combat wasn’t really an option in most cases. Also, I feel the evolution of boxing has completely moved away from the art aspect and put much more heavy emphasis on science and physical combat readiness with very little tradition and there is obviously no belt system so it is not a true martial art by definition it is a combat sport with a completely different structure and objective in my opinion 🫡
@@coachv3436 Most martial arts adopted the belt systems later… learning traditional kung fu there were no belts….boxing is passed down through generations with different styles just like other martial arts…. I.e look at the Mayweather lineage the family adopted the Philly shell…or students under Cus D’ amato will used the high guard. Traditions of styles like Brazil jujitsu ..Shaolin long fist.. sambo …hapkido etc. boxing 🥊 is also based on a belt system theoretically…..u are the champion what do they hand u? A belt. But like u said it’s all our opinions 🫡
I think boxing is a martial art, not tai chi or those stuff, martial arts is the arts is the arts of mars, arts of war. Even if people put it in a "sport" the glove is a weapon much mure than knuckles, hidrostatic wave, cte, etcetera, Amateur since 12, pro from 21 to 24.