If he tries 2.0 version of the campaigns it has each mission spiced with a faster start and feeling less the same... Otherwise any of Danny's versions of the campaign too can be more interesting since they improve the experience of the campaign
Lol, reminds me how nuking a gold mine with catapults and starving the AI of gold was the only way my kid ass managed to beat one scenario at one time.
Yes, WarCraft II had the consistently best music (especially Orc). StarCraft 1 comes close, and a subset of the WarCarft III soundtracks live up to its legacy, but it's definitely a mixed bag.
Bloodlust in this game is not answered by any of paladin spells. It is rather answered by mage ones. Ogre has better spells than paladin but mage has better than DK. Polymorph is damn strong ranged instakill, invis allows unique tactical actions orcs don't have, slow counteracts bloodlust to some degree. But of course for both races blizzard and death&decay are the main ones all the time.
most players still seem to prefer Orc for bloodlust and most WC2 MP matches seem to be Orcwars. I heared one of the players speak about it and tell, that in theory, heal would be equal or even stronger, but the clumsy WC2 controls make it to much hazzle to use in combat. meanwhile you can prebuff BL and just send the ogres in while doing something else. that is just not possible with paladins and also not rly with mages
Bloodlust is pretty ridiculous just in general. It straight-up doubles the target's damage, and the interaction with armor amplifies that effect and makes it more like triple damage. In theory perfectly-microed mages can just polymorph all the ogres, but in practice caster micro is hard in wc2 and ogres close the distance very fast.
@@jarrakul yep that is the thing. let us say hman does a mage/Pala mix while Orc does pure ogre. orc precast bloodlust and A clicks them in. meanwhile human mirco like a god, polys most ogres, slows the rest and after battle, heals up the wounded units. he will still loose many because BL is that strong. meanwhile the ogre has build a new army of ogres while the human was busy with micro. because barracs also have no lineup option for building units
@@calronkeltaran493 This has been tested by setting paladins autocast healing and Ogremages with bloodlust still walked over paladins.. I think it was youtuber "Stu" who did it, but don't remember exactly.
Oh boy, Grubby, if only you knew… fans all over the globe are now making mods. Personally recommend one: Danny's AI Royal Edition or his Legacy of Dalaran mod. There's even some story involved. Plus it's not just a regular AI … it's a smart AI!
I want to watch Grubby get crushed by u8t3io3p or some other WC2 expert. Not because it would be a surprise or upset or anything. But just to balance the cosmos.
Warcraft 2 would be more realistic if sometimes, you get an Oil Tanker from BP which messes up the Oil Platform, destroys the entire oil patch, and covers the sea in oil
"Some people say Ogre's are better than Knights." Bloodlust doubles the damage of the target unit. Its completely insane. Heal grants one point of healing per SIX points of mana. It just can't compete.
Not to mention the healing spell is almost impossible to use because you can't actually see which units are taking damage in order to click the spell on them. StarCraft's addition of lifebars directly on the units in the game window would've been such a HUGE QoL change for this very reason. Imagine that! A spell that's completely useless just because of how the information is displayed in game!
Bloodlust is so much more convenient than healing in a fast paced game. Plus I prefer death knight spells, coil so much better than fireball as well! I love hman tho just like in WC3 :D
The fact that they thought the battlenet edition needed faster paced games still makes me scratch my head...the game clearly was balanced around a medium, slower speed so that there's more balance between orcs and humans, what were they thinking indirectly buffing bloodlust?
Grubby does Warcraft voice impressions? Eeee, love it, hah. Best place to play multiplayer Warcraft 2 in 2024 is War2USA. Tons of fun still being had playing this awesome game! Being able to comment on the way the footman walks is what separates basic streamers from the pro streamers.
It bothers me that Grubby didn't make a lumber mill ASAP. because lumber takes so long to chop and building a lumber mill gives you 25 extra wood per trip.
They won't. Blizzard officially said that both Warcraft 1 and 2 "are not fun anymore" and they won't remake these games. I would say "they" are not fun anymore :D so it's even better they are going to forget about it.
EXCLUDING the factor of micro and player skill gameplay controls, this is based only on the difference of spell functions of units itself yep, Alliance is stronger than Horde in Warcraft 2 because of Mages. All the units with different spells ranking goes as: Mage > Ogre Mage > Paladin > Death Knight Also High Elven Rangers are better than Forest Troll Berserkers because Marksmanship Damage Upgrade > Troll Regeneration Upgrade.
9 Mages with Polymorph and Blizzard = MAYHEM! 9 Instakills! It's the only unit that can instakill in the game so I agree with your ranking except I'd place Paladin below Death Knights (Unholy Armor+Death and Decay combo is insane and it only requires 2 Death Knights)
@@MALEMization paladin instant kills death knight with exorcism. Exorcism can be casted from quite a far and full mana cast can kill clustered groups dks and skeletons with the slow moving death knight not being able to do so much I think it can also kill daemons in the campaign(?)
@@MALEMization Guys, Bloodlust is op in this game so Horde > Alliance here. Noone would be that fast to Polymorph 9 Bloodlusted Ogres and these Ogres will smash everything
I want Warcraft 4 to be this, just with updated and more races. Night elves, Undead, Burning legion, nagas, Orcs revert to the old ways like in 1and 3.
I'd like to thank the guy in chat who said ships were his favorite part of WC2 and he was disappointed they weren't in WC3, because for some reason I was still convinced they were also in WC3 and there were just no PvP maps which made use of them.
As another comment said: You need to play the Campaigns FULL one day! Please do that thanks!
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except the voiced briefing the missions get samey fast
If he tries 2.0 version of the campaigns it has each mission spiced with a faster start and feeling less the same... Otherwise any of Danny's versions of the campaign too can be more interesting since they improve the experience of the campaign
only counts though if he completes both ToD and BtdP in one day ;)
Someone tell Grubby you can attack gold mines in wc2. I wanna see his reaction.
Lol, reminds me how nuking a gold mine with catapults and starving the AI of gold was the only way my kid ass managed to beat one scenario at one time.
Warcraft 2 soundtrack was unbelievably good
Yes, WarCraft II had the consistently best music (especially Orc). StarCraft 1 comes close, and a subset of the WarCarft III soundtracks live up to its legacy, but it's definitely a mixed bag.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio I thought war 3 music was just whatever tbh
@@Merknilash That's probably a good assessment of it in average. But it had some really good pieces and some real stinkers to average out to whatever.
Bloodlust in this game is not answered by any of paladin spells. It is rather answered by mage ones. Ogre has better spells than paladin but mage has better than DK. Polymorph is damn strong ranged instakill, invis allows unique tactical actions orcs don't have, slow counteracts bloodlust to some degree. But of course for both races blizzard and death&decay are the main ones all the time.
most players still seem to prefer Orc for bloodlust and most WC2 MP matches seem to be Orcwars. I heared one of the players speak about it and tell, that in theory, heal would be equal or even stronger, but the clumsy WC2 controls make it to much hazzle to use in combat. meanwhile you can prebuff BL and just send the ogres in while doing something else. that is just not possible with paladins and also not rly with mages
@@calronkeltaran493 ye micromanaging heals is unreal, selectively click each pala knowing how much mana and which units needs the heal is insane...
Bloodlust is pretty ridiculous just in general. It straight-up doubles the target's damage, and the interaction with armor amplifies that effect and makes it more like triple damage. In theory perfectly-microed mages can just polymorph all the ogres, but in practice caster micro is hard in wc2 and ogres close the distance very fast.
@@jarrakul yep that is the thing. let us say hman does a mage/Pala mix while Orc does pure ogre. orc precast bloodlust and A clicks them in. meanwhile human mirco like a god, polys most ogres, slows the rest and after battle, heals up the wounded units. he will still loose many because BL is that strong. meanwhile the ogre has build a new army of ogres while the human was busy with micro. because barracs also have no lineup option for building units
@@calronkeltaran493 This has been tested by setting paladins autocast healing and Ogremages with bloodlust still walked over paladins..
I think it was youtuber "Stu" who did it, but don't remember exactly.
I would be glad to see a warcraft 2 campaign playthrough, such nostalgy :)
why didn't they reforge WC2?
Thank you for playing WC2. There is something about the graphics that indeed sends nostalgia down my spine. Cheers, and thank you for the content.
Oh boy, Grubby, if only you knew… fans all over the globe are now making mods. Personally recommend one: Danny's AI Royal Edition or his Legacy of Dalaran mod. There's even some story involved. Plus it's not just a regular AI … it's a smart AI!
Man, Warcraft looks or feels like gaming history. It's very interesting and Grubby makes it entertaining.
You should play the rest of the RE Reforged CAMPAIGN! All of the human campaign is done :D
Eh? EH!?
I want to watch Grubby get crushed by u8t3io3p or some other WC2 expert. Not because it would be a surprise or upset or anything. But just to balance the cosmos.
Day 5 of asking Grubby to play a "Random heroes" match again - it's been a while! (Please)"
Grubby, to be fair miners die in mines all the time IRL, so I think peasants dying in collapsing goldmines is pretty realistic.
. . . Even though these Peasants don't sound like they're from Kentucky . . . .
I love how Warcraft 2 makes you build your town hall at the start 😂😂
It's not Warcraft 2, it's map creators :) If you will make a map with Town Hall already built -> you will have a Town Hall already built :D
@@Olagfigh good to know, thanks!
Warcraft 2 would be more realistic if sometimes, you get an Oil Tanker from BP which messes up the Oil Platform, destroys the entire oil patch, and covers the sea in oil
"Some people say Ogre's are better than Knights."
Bloodlust doubles the damage of the target unit. Its completely insane. Heal grants one point of healing per SIX points of mana. It just can't compete.
Not to mention the healing spell is almost impossible to use because you can't actually see which units are taking damage in order to click the spell on them. StarCraft's addition of lifebars directly on the units in the game window would've been such a HUGE QoL change for this very reason. Imagine that! A spell that's completely useless just because of how the information is displayed in game!
1 min just to build the town center and nothing to do haha.
Grubby + W2 = instant click
anyone else click on the sheep and pigs until they explode?
The footman looking brazen and brace... Do you remember the original WC3 cin with the footman fighting the grunt? They look so badass!
Bloodlust is so much more convenient than healing in a fast paced game. Plus I prefer death knight spells, coil so much better than fireball as well! I love hman tho just like in WC3 :D
Ogre mages do way more bonus dmg than what paladins can heal.
Yeah it was awful balance. Bloodlust was way way way too good and would be nerfed hard in todays game design
The fact that they thought the battlenet edition needed faster paced games still makes me scratch my head...the game clearly was balanced around a medium, slower speed so that there's more balance between orcs and humans, what were they thinking indirectly buffing bloodlust?
Still irks me that blizzards introduction to Dwarfs in the setting was to make them suicide bombers. Really set the tone for their feeling towards us.
love seeing this game played, one of my favorites.
Grubby, would you ever play Warcraft 1, would love to see a pro player play its ancient gameplay xD
Please do more wc2 from time to time.
I have a RTX 2070ti and this game runs like 5fps on my computer. Anyone have any idea why?
Grubster can you play either way the campaign or multiplayer? both is probably harder and more interesting than scenario :)
Wc2 is so so so good
Grubby does Warcraft voice impressions? Eeee, love it, hah. Best place to play multiplayer Warcraft 2 in 2024 is War2USA. Tons of fun still being had playing this awesome game!
Being able to comment on the way the footman walks is what separates basic streamers from the pro streamers.
It bothers me that Grubby didn't make a lumber mill ASAP. because lumber takes so long to chop and building a lumber mill gives you 25 extra wood per trip.
w2
I love wc2 skins and bulding designs!
ToD as Human Grubby as orc in a 1vs1 in Warcraft 2 ..Needs to happend please Grubby do the needful the world need this
I love the Knights "Defending your mother"
This game is so good.
I know ogres are better than paladins, however I remember mages better than death knights, blizzard vs death and decay, or are they similar?
cant wait til activision-candycrush makes major unannounced changes to this game too.
Where can I download warcraft 2? I grew up with this game 😢
You should try the multi-cast bug with death knights D&d and mages blizzard lol
when will the dream happen and they make a warcraft 4
Are you going to be doing more WC2?
does anyone plays war2 on bnet at all ? i have issues with port ... :\
I want them to remake Warcraft 2 some day.
By Microsoft 's hands I will trust
I sure can't wait for warcraft 2: refunded
WC2 with the WC3 engine as an add on campaign would have been sick
@@nisenazo WC 3 with WC2 engine is what i want
They won't. Blizzard officially said that both Warcraft 1 and 2 "are not fun anymore" and they won't remake these games. I would say "they" are not fun anymore :D so it's even better they are going to forget about it.
aoe4 is a game we never asked for, but was still made to spite the aoe2 fans as a "fan service".
Cant you upgrade the knights to paladins?
486 Game to have, this and DOOM II!
orc is stronger cause bloodlust imba
Did you know that in this game you can attack and destroy the mines. 😎
practically I would say only "attack")
EXCLUDING the factor of micro and player skill gameplay controls, this is based only on the difference of spell functions of units itself
yep, Alliance is stronger than Horde in Warcraft 2 because of Mages. All the units with different spells ranking goes as:
Mage > Ogre Mage > Paladin > Death Knight
Also High Elven Rangers are better than Forest Troll Berserkers because Marksmanship Damage Upgrade > Troll Regeneration Upgrade.
9 Mages with Polymorph and Blizzard = MAYHEM! 9 Instakills! It's the only unit that can instakill in the game so I agree with your ranking except I'd place Paladin below Death Knights (Unholy Armor+Death and Decay combo is insane and it only requires 2 Death Knights)
@@MALEMization paladin instant kills death knight with exorcism. Exorcism can be casted from quite a far and full mana cast can kill clustered groups dks and skeletons with the slow moving death knight not being able to do so much
I think it can also kill daemons in the campaign(?)
@@justinedc1077 *facepalm* I forgot about Exorcism... ok point taken!
@@MALEMization Guys, Bloodlust is op in this game so Horde > Alliance here. Noone would be that fast to Polymorph 9 Bloodlusted Ogres and these Ogres will smash everything
In competitive play, Horde > Alliance and it's not even close
I want Warcraft 4 to be this, just with updated and more races. Night elves, Undead, Burning legion, nagas, Orcs revert to the old ways like in 1and 3.
I'd like to thank the guy in chat who said ships were his favorite part of WC2 and he was disappointed they weren't in WC3, because for some reason I was still convinced they were also in WC3 and there were just no PvP maps which made use of them.
I'm almost 95% sure grubby did not have his game speed set to max. Did anyone else notice?
Play red alert 3 it's gold
you should try online vs other players! there's a dedicated community out there
*FOR THE **_KIIING_*
Look at those next level graphics, the buildings on a snow map have snow on them!
The art and audio direction in WAR 2 is unrivaled.
Try art of war 3 bro. It's a nice rts game
map looks like gnoll woods
Legendary WarCraft II
gg ez
Not sure where the resurgence for old games came from but I'm not a fan
Its like denying where you came from to become a human xd
buddy, WC3 is a retro game now. It's over 20 years old.