I live near to a really small aerodrome in Castellon, Spain. Well, they have a PC-6 there for skydivers, and the pilot gets quicker to the ground than the skydivers. Amazing aircraft, this video put a smile on my face when I saw the runway aspect on final.
Ahah thanks for your com Carlos ! As you said, amazing (and tricky) plane that allows you to make crazy approaches. This video is 3 years old, since then, the skills have evolved a little bit and the final looks even shorter ;p check this out : ua-cam.com/video/iW6HfvbGCDY/v-deo.html
I love the porter When I was in the army the pilots we had were amazing and I watched one one day come in for a landing and we had 15 knots down the runway And he throttled it back at 10 feet and hovered then backed down the runway about 100 meters and then throttled back up and flew off Pre mobile phone days so no video evidence unfortunately as it is something I would like to see again 👍👍
An owner of a Porter flew from NY down to Covington La for the winter. He checked out our Cessna 182 pilot to fly it for the DZ. Needless to say he was in seventh heaven as were we jumpers. This was the late 80's or early 90's. Best fun and laid back DZ I have ever jumped at.
Now THAT'S my kind of approach! Still hundreds of feet in the air 1/10th mile out on final.....lol....OH yeah!! Sweet flyin' man! Straight from serious altitude droppage right to the flare. :-)
Amazing how quickly they get down! While maybe not practiced, I feel like knowing how this is done would be good for all pilots for emergencies when you need to descend extremely quickly - such as cabin pressure loss or something on fire.
I am a student pilot still practicing with a Cessna 172 in Dallas, I really enjoyed your amazing video, good piloting skills and a good camera recording everything. I got a gopro camera but I am still wondering the way to install it on the cockpit, sometimes I am able to watch unbelievable details in each flight like traffic, birds flying really high and even drones. If I have the opportunity I just grab my phone to take a brief video of 10 or 15 seconds long and from that I can take a picture too. A few days ago I just had the experience practicing the slow flight maneuver an the wind was really strong with more than 40 knots so the instructor found the way to fly against the wind plus our slow flight with an average of 35 to 38 KIAS and suddenly the aircraft was not moving at all, just suspended in the middle of the air, then we discovered we were flying backwards, my instructor took the control to allow me to take a video. Wow, that was a very unique experience.
Suction cup mount. I have a few videos on my channel that I made to share with friends/family. You can attach it to the rear window, or the front. Attaching to the front obstructs some of your vision though. Good luck on your aviation journey
This is, I believe, called sharking and of all the jump planes I know of it's only the PC6 Porter that does it. Nice plane, loved hanging from the strut before exit but often you'd be cramped in it like a bunch of sardines in a can (much more so than on other jump planes).
@@NS-ex6cm I've skydived out of a PC-6 (ZK-MCT) a Cessna 208 Caravan (VH-LNI) a Gipps Aero GA8 (VH-FGN) and a Cessna 182 (VH-JHL). All very nice aircraft
Amazing! I dream of operating a radio once in a trubo prop flight with beta range... .like the turbo porter or the twin otter.... I hope I get the chance once.
And I strongly advise you to do it... passing the Type Rating on this plane was one of the best decisions I've made for my career. This plane gives you a real good handflying skills and a lot of fun of course ;P
Maniot negative ! If you want to fly this plane you have to be qualified on it, as you need the mention « SET » (single engine turbine) on your license. But the regulation doesn’t say anything about CPL or PPL holder, but usually skydive centers want the pilots to have something like : PPL => 1000 TT or CPL => 400 TT. This plane is known as a very tricky one so it’s more an Insurance issue ...
@@JoseSilva-sd8oc depending on where you will pass the SET I guess. From my experience it’s arround 7000€ in France. But sometimes, if you’re lucky and if you have experience, you may found a skydiving center whom will pay it for you 🤞
In fact it is not completely true! Pilatus Porter can descent almost at 90 ° thanks to its propeller which acts as a brake when we pass in "beta range" (means to reduce the propeller's pitch). Certainly it brakes very well but it is necessary to watch the speed not to overspeed ;)
STOL capability is one thing, being able to perform a steep descent like that is another game... the PC6 uses the propeller pitch as a brake. No plane is "overspeed free" though...
You don’t really reverse because then you would be in negative pitch which is strictly forbidden by Pilatus. I use the « beta mode » which means a very low pitch but still positive 😁
Je faisais des tours de piste en tant qu'élève sur ce même aérodrome sur la piste 15 quand j'entends à la radio le pilatus indiquer "finale 15"... je regarde à gauche, pas de pilatus. Il était bien en finale... mais en piqué, plus haut ;)
Thanks for your com @davidwheatcroft2797 ! The Pilatus PC6 can overspeed like any other plane, but we are allowed by the manufacturer to make that kind of steep descent by using the « beta » range. Basically we reduced the propeller pitch in flight and it acts like a big brake and keep the speed in the green arc 💪 I don’t know if the PC6 is still in use in the US but I know that Air America used them in the 60´s. Fly safe 🚀
Pas de volets sortis, l'avion est totalement lisse. L'hélice est en Beta, c'est à dire très petit pas (entre 1°et 3° il me semble). Dans ce cas l'hélice agit comme un frein et c'est ce qui permet à l'avion d'effectuer ce genre de descente. Le largage s'effectue au FL125, la descente dure environ 2min, ce qui fait un taux de descente autour des 6000 ft/min à une vitesse entre 120 et 140kt selon les conditions atmosphérique, turbulentes ou pas. Fly safe !
It's crazy, I'd never noticed it before, even when I was flying on this plane 😅 but it's possible... this Pilatus was built in 1967, and I think people were still allowed to smoke while flying back in those days 😉
I used to skydive in anytime I watch these scenes of people landing in the water. It makes me wonder how long they had to take their equipment spread it out and let it sit in the sun to dry properly!
Nevermind, looked it up, kudos to your skill, if i saw the right spec sheet that plane has an operational window of 100kts and you had it in a mad dive, and didnt go over Vne....nuts.
How do you make sure not to overspeed? I know the prop is a break but there got to br more to it than put it in beta and it'll to go 90° down like it's nothing without over speeding? What extra things do you do?
The 90 degres pitch down is only at the beginning of the descent. I drop the guys around 60-70kt and the VNE is 152kt so that gives me 10sec of acceleration, then i have to come back to a « normal » pitch down, around 60 degres. So you can overspeed even with beta mode. It’s more visible on this one : ua-cam.com/video/iW6HfvbGCDY/v-deo.html 👌
@@mridoit1701 it depends on the flight conditions. If it’s bumpy I never go above 120kt (which is the maximum speed in rough air), otherwise I fly around 135-140kt
Capt. Richard Aviation there is absolutly no problem using the beta mode, it’s actually very efficient and allows the plane to perform very steep descent. The only one danger is to select reverse in flight (it’s just more few degrees backward on the power lever). But with beta mode, the propeller still has a positive pitch and brake very well 👌👌
@@reunion974jb I contacted Pilatus about it and they said that there is a big palcard that says Do not use reverse in flight. This is the answer the technical support from Pilatus gave me: " Reverse in flight is strictly forbidden and there is a big placard installed on the dashboard which states "DO NOT REVERSE IN FLIGHT" Revers must only be used when the aircraft is on the ground. Beta approaches can be done with the PC-6 but then the propeller is only at fine pitch but not reverse." So you are saying that reverse is when the throttle lever is way back, but you only do it a few degrees back?
Capt. Richard Aviation Thank you for your interest in the PC6. It is an incredible machine to fly and you quickly fall in love with it. You are absolutely right about the in-flight reverse. There is indeed a "do not use reverse in flight" placard in front of the pilot. As far as I'm concerned, I never go below 70% NP, and the turbine is constantly around 98% NG. During the descent, the power lever is constantly adjusted so as not to fall below 70% of NP, so we remain in Beta mode and thus avoid the "low pitch" alarm. To switch to reverse you really have to take the power lever out of its notch and pull it back completely.
@@Breenild sorry my what ? I can’t hear you 😜 Just kidding ! the first time was painfull, like if someone was puting a niddle in my sinus. After this first descent I never had any problem
@@reunion974jb Par contre avec un Cap10, avoir un parachute c'est probablement une bonne idée ! (j'ai un très vague souvenir d'une petite polémique due à la résistance du longeron du Cap à 5 ou 6g sans tenir compte d'un effet de torsion... mais quel bel avion aussi) Je suis très peu avions lourds et légers, j'y ai travaillé pendant les vacances étant jeune c'est tout. Mon père lui y a passé presque toute sa vie. Il a même passé plusieurs semaines à réparer un Porter à pistons accidenté dans un trous paumé au Nepal en 66 ou 67. Il a aussi mis 30 ans à refaire un Jodel D-140 puis deux ans après avoir fini, n'a plus pu voler à cause de sa santé... VIE LA MOTO !
@@aerocap Je n'ai pas touché un avion de voltige depuis 2015, il a fallut faire des choix : passer les licences, monter des heures, avoir les fesses dans un avion de ligne. La prochaine étape c'est le 232 ;)
I live near to a really small aerodrome in Castellon, Spain. Well, they have a PC-6 there for skydivers, and the pilot gets quicker to the ground than the skydivers. Amazing aircraft, this video put a smile on my face when I saw the runway aspect on final.
Ahah thanks for your com Carlos ! As you said, amazing (and tricky) plane that allows you to make crazy approaches. This video is 3 years old, since then, the skills have evolved a little bit and the final looks even shorter ;p check this out :
ua-cam.com/video/iW6HfvbGCDY/v-deo.html
experienced freeflyers with 3 cells canopies will get down faster than the pil ;)
Siii jajaja yo también soy de Castellón y la verdad que es impresionante
Why do they do that?
Great video
Thanks to you and all the pilots who brings us to the sky for skydiving 👏✌️
I love the porter
When I was in the army the pilots we had were amazing and I watched one one day come in for a landing and we had 15 knots down the runway
And he throttled it back at 10 feet and hovered then backed down the runway about 100 meters and then throttled back up and flew off
Pre mobile phone days so no video evidence unfortunately as it is something I would like to see again 👍👍
I flew the PC6 as pilot. It's amazing
An owner of a Porter flew from NY down to Covington La for the winter. He checked out our Cessna 182 pilot to fly it for the DZ. Needless to say he was in seventh heaven as were we jumpers. This was the late 80's or early 90's. Best fun and laid back DZ I have ever jumped at.
Takes me back to '87. Nice to see the wrist mount alti hasn't changed.🙃
I jumped a Pilatus Porter at Peterborough in the early eighties.
This is how I fly all planes in FS2020. Glad to know 1 can actually handle it!
Butter! Even sped up still a smooth landing
I would love to have sky diving pilot job on this airplane so much when I start flying🤯
Ha, adjustable pitch is a wonderful thing! Cool vid, thanks for sharing👍
So SO Awesome. I would love to try this.
Really great, wonderful skydiving video congratulations to all skydivers congratulations 👌👌👌
Now THAT'S my kind of approach! Still hundreds of feet in the air 1/10th mile out on final.....lol....OH yeah!! Sweet flyin' man! Straight from serious altitude droppage right to the flare. :-)
Pilatus PC6 was the first plane that I ever went on board for a flight
at my first jump! Imagine the excitement!
I too😂
Best landing 👍🏾😎
Amazing how quickly they get down! While maybe not practiced, I feel like knowing how this is done would be good for all pilots for emergencies when you need to descend extremely quickly - such as cabin pressure loss or something on fire.
handles that pressure like a pro likes its nothing
So badass!
I am a student pilot still practicing with a Cessna 172 in Dallas, I really enjoyed your amazing video, good piloting skills and a good camera recording everything. I got a gopro camera but I am still wondering the way to install it on the cockpit, sometimes I am able to watch unbelievable details in each flight like traffic, birds flying really high and even drones. If I have the opportunity I just grab my phone to take a brief video of 10 or 15 seconds long and from that I can take a picture too. A few days ago I just had the experience practicing the slow flight maneuver an the wind was really strong with more than 40 knots so the instructor found the way to fly against the wind plus our slow flight with an average of 35 to 38 KIAS and suddenly the aircraft was not moving at all, just suspended in the middle of the air, then we discovered we were flying backwards, my instructor took the control to allow me to take a video. Wow, that was a very unique experience.
Suction cup mount. I have a few videos on my channel that I made to share with friends/family. You can attach it to the rear window, or the front. Attaching to the front obstructs some of your vision though. Good luck on your aviation journey
This is, I believe, called sharking and of all the jump planes I know of it's only the PC6 Porter that does it. Nice plane, loved hanging from the strut before exit but often you'd be cramped in it like a bunch of sardines in a can (much more so than on other jump planes).
Very well this is how you fly.
Definitely what the porter was made for! Nice video man
No, it was never designed for that à this kind of flying killed various peoples.
PC-6 Turbo Porter was the first aircraft I ever skydived out of.
Twin Otter
Really. My first four were Junkers 52, DC-3, Dornier 27 and C130 Hercules.
@@NS-ex6cm I've skydived out of a PC-6 (ZK-MCT) a Cessna 208 Caravan (VH-LNI) a Gipps Aero GA8 (VH-FGN) and a Cessna 182 (VH-JHL). All very nice aircraft
Amazing!
I dream of operating a radio once in a trubo prop flight with beta range... .like the turbo porter or the twin otter....
I hope I get the chance once.
Cool how the control panel is like a desk
Not me screaming in my living room.
Wow should definitely try to flight
Joli !
Oh come on - what no Top Gun Aviator glasses on :)
The PC6 is high on my list of planes to fly some day
And I strongly advise you to do it... passing the Type Rating on this plane was one of the best decisions I've made for my career. This plane gives you a real good handflying skills and a lot of fun of course ;P
@@reunion974jb Can I fly this thing with SEP and PPL ? Or what are the requirements?
Maniot negative ! If you want to fly this plane you have to be qualified on it, as you need the mention « SET » (single engine turbine) on your license. But the regulation doesn’t say anything about CPL or PPL holder, but usually skydive centers want the pilots to have something like : PPL => 1000 TT or CPL => 400 TT. This plane is known as a very tricky one so it’s more an Insurance issue ...
@@reunion974jb what is the expected price for the SET to work with the Pilatus? I would love to fly it.
@@JoseSilva-sd8oc depending on where you will pass the SET I guess. From my experience it’s arround 7000€ in France. But sometimes, if you’re lucky and if you have experience, you may found a skydiving center whom will pay it for you 🤞
C'est avec ce genre de vidéo que beaucoup d'hommes se révèlent être éjaculateurs précoces ='D
Baptiste Amans c’est vrai que les petites passagères tandem étaient plutôt mignonnes ce jour là ! le plus dur... c’est de pas se tromper de manche 😜
@@reunion974jb Ho punaise t'es un bon toi ! Je te veux dans mon équipe ! 😂
wondering how long you can hold the dive before reaching Vne?
I just came here for the song.
WHAT IS GONNA BE NEXT DOG FIGHT
Why does the pilot dive directly after dropping off the divers? Any specific reason other than fun?
I believe it's also to minimise fuel consumption and simply to have it back on the ground, ready to go again as quick as possible.
FX GT that’s exactly the reason (and for fun 😜)
Is it true Porter can't overspeed even 90° nose down? STOL airplanes blow my mind. Is the no-overspeed a myth?
In fact it is not completely true! Pilatus Porter can descent almost at 90 ° thanks to its propeller which acts as a brake when we pass in "beta range" (means to reduce the propeller's pitch). Certainly it brakes very well but it is necessary to watch the speed not to overspeed ;)
STOL capability is one thing, being able to perform a steep descent like that is another game... the PC6 uses the propeller pitch as a brake. No plane is "overspeed free" though...
Can you really reverse the prop pitch in flight? Mike patey might be able to but is this actually a thing?
You don’t really reverse because then you would be in negative pitch which is strictly forbidden by Pilatus.
I use the « beta mode » which means a very low pitch but still positive 😁
Je faisais des tours de piste en tant qu'élève sur ce même aérodrome sur la piste 15 quand j'entends à la radio le pilatus indiquer "finale 15"... je regarde à gauche, pas de pilatus.
Il était bien en finale... mais en piqué, plus haut ;)
Why you have a skydiving altimeter on the cockpit?
It's just a spare in case one of the skydiver has a problem with his own, and that happened a lot !
NICE! So dragey no over overspeed? Turbine does not care! LOVE the Pilatus Porter. That long nose. Not legal in USA? CAVU skies!
Thanks for your com @davidwheatcroft2797 !
The Pilatus PC6 can overspeed like any other plane, but we are allowed by the manufacturer to make that kind of steep descent by using the « beta » range. Basically we reduced the propeller pitch in flight and it acts like a big brake and keep the speed in the green arc 💪
I don’t know if the PC6 is still in use in the US but I know that Air America used them in the 60´s.
Fly safe 🚀
@@reunion974jbSo prop in fully fine. Great aeroplane. My Renegade with fixed pitch, is easy to overspeed. Vne 110kts.
Quelle est la configuration de descente ? Volet, pas de l'hélice, taux, vitesse...? Merci pour la vidéo
Pas de volets sortis, l'avion est totalement lisse.
L'hélice est en Beta, c'est à dire très petit pas (entre 1°et 3° il me semble). Dans ce cas l'hélice agit comme un frein et c'est ce qui permet à l'avion d'effectuer ce genre de descente.
Le largage s'effectue au FL125, la descente dure environ 2min, ce qui fait un taux de descente autour des 6000 ft/min à une vitesse entre 120 et 140kt selon les conditions atmosphérique, turbulentes ou pas.
Fly safe !
@@reunion974jb Meilleure réponse possible. Merci beaucoup. J'ai jamais volé mais ça me fait rêver :) merci
Pilote de l'armée de l'air ? Impressionnant :)
Non malheureusement... mais si t'as des contacts dans l'armée de l'air, je dirai pas non à faire un peu de Mirage 2000 ;)
@@reunion974jb In english, please?
For the non-french guys..
@@justinrein510 I was just saying that i'm not an Air Force Pilot, but if anyone of you guys have contact I would love to fly the Mirage 2000 ;)
@@reunion974jb ahh... :D
Is that an ashtray on the dashboard? That's how you know it's made in Europe.
It's crazy, I'd never noticed it before, even when I was flying on this plane 😅
but it's possible... this Pilatus was built in 1967, and I think people were still allowed to smoke while flying back in those days 😉
有自动变速器之后，为什么不将汽车的驾驶方式变成街机控制杆式？
I wonder how many skydivers there accidentally drifted into the ocean.
Well, the easiest part is to land in the water. Then you have to deal with the shark that is waiting for you 🦈
I used to skydive in anytime I watch these scenes of people landing in the water. It makes me wonder how long they had to take their equipment spread it out and let it sit in the sun to dry properly!
@@reunion974jb trust me, if I were still skydiving and were earning enough, I would jump that drop zone. For the awesome view.
Whats the stall speed on that thing?
Nevermind, looked it up, kudos to your skill, if i saw the right spec sheet that plane has an operational window of 100kts and you had it in a mad dive, and didnt go over Vne....nuts.
52kt with no flaps 😜
How do you make sure not to overspeed? I know the prop is a break but there got to br more to it than put it in beta and it'll to go 90° down like it's nothing without over speeding?
What extra things do you do?
The 90 degres pitch down is only at the beginning of the descent. I drop the guys around 60-70kt and the VNE is 152kt so that gives me 10sec of acceleration, then i have to come back to a « normal » pitch down, around 60 degres. So you can overspeed even with beta mode.
It’s more visible on this one : ua-cam.com/video/iW6HfvbGCDY/v-deo.html 👌
@@reunion974jb in the 10 second how much do you gain and consider enough to go back to 60°?
@@mridoit1701 it depends on the flight conditions. If it’s bumpy I never go above 120kt (which is the maximum speed in rough air), otherwise I fly around 135-140kt
Bruh look at that altimeter
What's that sinkrate?
18000ft/min?
julien_Blue more something like 6500ft/min, when i’m tired 😜
Do you put prop to beta for the rapid descent?
Daisy Beagle exactly ! Without the beta I would overspeed after 5sec ..
Why do they do this
why do they do that dive?
Davinator because the plane can do it 😉
I've never seen that model of David Clark Headset, does anyone know the name?
xmods4Reel it’s the David Clark X11 with noise canceller 👌
is he doing the revrse beta mode in flight?
Capt. Richard Aviation yes sire !! 👍👍
@@reunion974jb how is that possible? Isn't that forbidden? What if it sticks there on you? Your airplane will no longer be an airplane
Capt. Richard Aviation there is absolutly no problem using the beta mode, it’s actually very efficient and allows the plane to perform very steep descent. The only one danger is to select reverse in flight (it’s just more few degrees backward on the power lever). But with beta mode, the propeller still has a positive pitch and brake very well 👌👌
@@reunion974jb I contacted Pilatus about it and they said that there is a big palcard that says Do not use reverse in flight. This is the answer the technical support from Pilatus gave me:
"
Reverse in flight is strictly forbidden and there is a big placard installed on the dashboard which states "DO NOT REVERSE IN FLIGHT"
Revers must only be used when the aircraft is on the ground.
Beta approaches can be done with the PC-6 but then the propeller is only at fine pitch but not reverse."
So you are saying that reverse is when the throttle lever is way back, but you only do it a few degrees back?
Capt. Richard Aviation
Thank you for your interest in the PC6. It is an incredible machine to fly and you quickly fall in love with it.
You are absolutely right about the in-flight reverse. There is indeed a "do not use reverse in flight" placard in front of the pilot.
As far as I'm concerned, I never go below 70% NP, and the turbine is constantly around 98% NG. During the descent, the power lever is constantly adjusted so as not to fall below 70% of NP, so we remain in Beta mode and thus avoid the "low pitch" alarm. To switch to reverse you really have to take the power lever out of its notch and pull it back completely.
What is the tipical descent rate?
Around 6500 ft/min 🚀
@@reunion974jb like my cessna 150
@@barko2562 🤣👌
@@reunion974jb how do your ears like these descent rate?
@@Breenild sorry my what ? I can’t hear you 😜
Just kidding ! the first time was painfull, like if someone was puting a niddle in my sinus. After this first descent I never had any problem
Sauter d'un avion en parfait état de vol; quelle étrange idée ! Surtout quand c'est un Porter...
Petit Toto Et pourtant ... probablement une des meilleures sensations au monde (je préfère quand même un bon 5g dans la figure en Cap10 😜)
@@reunion974jb Par contre avec un Cap10, avoir un parachute c'est probablement une bonne idée !
(j'ai un très vague souvenir d'une petite polémique due à la résistance du longeron du Cap à 5 ou 6g sans tenir compte d'un effet de torsion... mais quel bel avion aussi)
Je suis très peu avions lourds et légers, j'y ai travaillé pendant les vacances étant jeune c'est tout. Mon père lui y a passé presque toute sa vie. Il a même passé plusieurs semaines à réparer un Porter à pistons accidenté dans un trous paumé au Nepal en 66 ou 67. Il a aussi mis 30 ans à refaire un Jodel D-140 puis deux ans après avoir fini, n'a plus pu voler à cause de sa santé...
VIE LA MOTO !
Petit Toto Étant moi même motard je te dirai pas le contraire 😋
@@reunion974jb Cool un Cap 10! Et un 232, déjà essayé..?
@@aerocap Je n'ai pas touché un avion de voltige depuis 2015, il a fallut faire des choix : passer les licences, monter des heures, avoir les fesses dans un avion de ligne. La prochaine étape c'est le 232 ;)
How are your ears still intact? 😭
Sorry I can’t hear you 🤣😉
@@reunion974jb 😭😂😂
This is how you do it...
ua-cam.com/video/BTEaTHKiGTQ/v-deo.html
Definitely not good for the prop gearbox
Maybe if you use the Reverse in flight... but Beta range works really well for this kind of operations
one of few certified for beta in flight iirc it was down to to -0.5 degrees pitch
Not as cool if sped up
get rid of this music, bring back the real sound !
I got you Bro’
Here is the real sound 😎
ua-cam.com/video/iW6HfvbGCDY/v-deo.htmlsi=DsA0iA6hYpw3eR6j
Music 🤮