Now, in 2024, Chinese archaeologists are coming to Romania, in Iasi: researchers are looking for evidence to explain similarities between Cucuteni and Yangshao. Yangshao seems to be influenced by Cucuteni.
It is only a cultural influence. Another example is the terracotta army, which seems to have been built based on the knowledge of some Hellenistic craftsmen, from the post-Alexander period. The hypothesis is also launched by the Chinese. They had not built large statues until that moment, and a group of people were discovered who were probably craftsmen with non-Chinese DNA from that period.
@@PabloLu777 No , Romanians will claim China ! Like they mostly do with all the territories which seems to have even a remote connection with Romanian territories . As you can see , Cucuteni culture barely touched Romanian territory , but my co-nationals already claim that Cucuteni farmers are their ancestors .
Multumesc frumos!! Sa-ti dea Dumnezeu sanatate! Thank you very much, Benjamin! I am from Moldova, from Botosani. I am from a village called Rediu. Every year before Easter we set up a huge fire on a hilltop next to our village and we burn all the old clothes and old stuff we dont need anymore. This is a tradition that has been there since forever. We love fire and we use it for healing and for purification. This documentary is really a masterpiece!! Thank you!!
Some believe that the Indo-Europeans were influenced by Cucuteni culture, with David Reich even saying that some individuals from this culture had Indo-European DNA. It predates the discovery of the cosmic order. The designs are natural and chaotic, unlike the geometric and symmetrical patterns of Indo-European cultures. Those pots are incredibly large, standing at about 1 meter tall and 70cm in diameter as I have seen them in Piatra Neamt. Their actual dimensions are not fully conveyed in the pictures.
@@mv504 it was matriarchal society as well. Dissapeared!? It was more like transformed, caz the maternal dna lineage it's what makes the people of the lower danube so close. Also the traditional women clothing of eastern Europe..
They didn't "disapear",that is historical falsification.The truth is,that Cucuteni Tripoli is slavic civilization.And the only reason why this civilization have two names,is becouse it has been found in Romania and Russia.And unlike slavs,who lives in Europe for 10700 years.Romania was invented by Vatican as roman military district,called Roma Unia.And in order to create Romania,they have steal slavic land,and converted slavic people to "romanians".
@@Jasmin.M-hz5ty so much bs😂😂 First, Tripoli is in Libya. You mean Trypillia and it's Ukranian not russian. Russia it is a crap empire of many steppe tribes and nations held captive by the thieving muskovy. The Kyivan are the real russ people, as we latins call them 'ruteni' or 'rusini'. Romanians are mostly Greek&Balkan people who were romanised 2000 years ago and have not been to much affected by the slavic migration of 6th 7th centuries unlike the people of today Serbia Bulgaria Croatia. You are pushing pan-slavic propaganda which we are very well aware while Putin is dreaming of himsef as a tsar😂😂 Fu and ur collapsing empire!!!
It always kind of bothered me how anthropologists always presume that cultures disappear because they’re killed off, when genocide is so difficult, specially back then. I’m glad you brought up that civilizations can also be integrated too. Great video.
Integration, diseases, drought et.c. were often neglected by early archaeologists and historians, because these causes were not in line with the nationalistic paradigm during 19th and 20th centuries. As they could not form a heroic and mighty myth out of these causes.
They can but in this case most likely not... there is a very sharp decrease in the quality of ceramics. If significant numbers of people survived, the knowledge would have been preserved, they were not made in special shops, ceramic knowledge and decoration was widely known. Also, you can see the burial changes, the size of the people that live in the area grows by at least 10cm... Cucuteni Trypillia was probably devastated by the first Indo-European wave of migration. Towards the end they were building fortifications that were very uncharacteristic for them and most show signs of burning. The Eastern European civilizations suffered the harshest brunt of this migration, you can also see it in the DNA evidence and the similarities with Yamnaya... Now, the more West you go the DNA % decreases, showing that the locals survived in higher ratios, cultural and technological changes move faster than populations, they were most likely better prepared to face them.
They have ancient DNA now to prove how much is populations being wiped out and how much is integration. There is very string evidence that the Yamnya and other steppe people genetically replaced the Cucuteni and others, so yeah.
@Bayard1503 whenever technology questions arise, i want to ask "what is the most advanced technology you can build?" Watch How To Make Everything, he is building Roman era machines but finding the creation of glass to be quite difficult.
Regarding the burning house part, and the lack of burial sites, I guess is a connection there. Deep religious beliefs -> check No burials -> check Houses burned after a few generations and not at the same time-> check. I think the burial it self was the burning practice. Like other civilizations , maybe they were burning the deceased,so "the soul may go onto the other realm with it's belongings for familiarity" and the place to be "cleansed".
I have seen a video where it was mentioned that the bodies where buried under the house. Maybe when burning the houses, the burial may have been affected too.
This would make sense if they burned the house when the homeowner(s) died, basically turning it into a funeral pyre. However, these human remains would have been found, and this is not mentioned in the video.
@@adamesd3699 this part it's up to speculation from my side, but I suppose they probably threw it somewhere,like idk.. a high mountain. But I REAPET this is just speculation. Religiously speaking is the most probable next step
@@meo7387 a long time ago I met a Bulgarian named Iulian/ I asked him how he got that name??? and he replied that Iulian is a purely Bulgarian name with Bulgarian roots / poor Julius Caesar, he didn't know he was Bulgarian / should I say something about Vardar??? / hello insane asylum, we still have a country full of deranged people
Regarding the burning of the house, 4:16 After my grandparents died on my mother's side, nobody dared to enter their home for months. The heartache was too much. None of their children live in it now and they are planning on tearing it down because seeing it standing makes everyone sad. Also, houses made of mud and straw only last one lifetime, then they need to be demolished. The foundation sinks and the walls and roof start sloping to the sides.
In the story "Moara cu nororc" (The Mill of Good Luck) at the end of the book the mill is set on fire because the author from 1850 saw it at the only way that place could be cleaned from all the bad thing that happened there. Even to this day I remember how hard our teachers wanted us to understand that fire in Romanian culture is a way to purify things, the saying "ardele-ar focul" (may the fire burn them) is said tho hearing bad fortune or when something bothers you or has a negative connotation.
My countryside house is +200 years old and it was made of straw, mud and wood. They can last a very long time if they're well kept. If not, they decay like all things.
There are some Aboriginal Australian cultures where traditionally when someone dies, they destroy their house, may not be the exact same kind of tradition but worth looking up, can't remember where in Australia this was.
@@robertescu6435I thought about 'Moara cu noroc' as well and that's my humble explanation too. Once the mother of the house(because they were matriarchal society) was passing away, they were burning down their family house...
What he don't accept îs that the language and culture was continuous since thousands years ago until today, but this îs just because he never visited România or because he's jew and they will never recognise someone as older than them.
@@ionelghiorghita688 Romanians know way too well about jews. The peasant uprising from 1907 it was due to greedy jews. No doubts. The legionar movement from 20-30 was a reaction of jews attirude towards romanians. Again. Do doubts. Today, nobody sides with jews anymore. The truth is showing up in its entirety uglyness about jews .
Hey Ben, been away for a while. First video of yours I've looked at for a good few months if not more. Happy to see you seem to have gotten a better microphone since then and your general videography skills seem to be improving. The knowledge and narrative has always been pretty good. I think the audio levels do still need a little attention but you're definitely getting there mate. You make interesting content and I think you'll do really well with a little polishing. Good stuff.
Cucuteni civilisation domesticated the grapes and the vineyards. They are the moldovans of today, the heaviest drinkers in the world(25% of the population dies from alcohol related ilness). And the moldovans still have a majority of matronymic names which sugests the womans are the head of the family. A Ioanei, A mariei, A being the matronymic prefix similar to the irish O' prefix, just that the A is explicitly,, of female,,. They didnt vanished, just transformed over time. And they had horses too because the horse and the cow were domesticated very close to them in Scithia Minor in Romania. But Cucuteni means vineyard growing coulture. And they were for sure indoeuropean language speakers like the Cernavoda coulture which are considered to be the first indoeuropeans. If you look on map of Cernavoda coulture, its big but it starts in a spot right under Cucuteni in Scithia Minor,Dobrogea.
Cucuteni is more correct because the oldest artifacts from this civilization were found near cucuteni and trypilia is the youngest archeological site for this civilization, so the ukrainian zone covered by Cucuteni civ was the extension, the expansion of the civ, not its original cradle.
It's just a naming convention among archeologists. Similar to the scientific formulas discovered independently by different scientists. Cucuteni-Trypillia was discovered independently about the same time in the Romanian kingdom, the Russian empire, and Austria-Hungary. In addition, archeologists agree that Cucuteni-Trypillya is not a "culture" (in the archeological sense) but a "cultural and historical unity", a term used for an even wider community of peoples than a strictu sensu "archeological culture" but it is a rather technical term.
Extension or not, the settlements in Ukraine were double in size if not more than the ones in Moldova... of course, geography lead to that, bigger rivers, more fertile agricultural lands in Ukraine. Anyway the combination of the names is right. It's the incredible size of the settlements that makes Cucuteni-Trypillia so special... otherwise similar late Neolithic cultures in SE Europe were just as advanced.
I am an Archaeologist from Texas , some of our agricultural tribes ( CADDO ; Tejas ) had a fire culture that keep a fire going for 52 yrs then put it out and re set the ceremony fires and keep this till destroyed by the invading Anglo Americans in 1836-58.
They are among my Y haplogroup G2a ancestors. Great-great-great ... grandfathers and uncles from the Neolithic era, a proof of continuity of at almost 7000 years. :)
@@artiomcarabulea4629Cucuteni DNA was 75-80% Early European Farmers and about 20% Eastern and Western Hunter-Gatherers (which are the I1 and I2 you asked about). They had less than 5% Yamnaya, probably admixture with their neighbors prior to the massive Yamnaya invasion that destroyed the Cucuteni culture and massively changed European DNA, close to the ratios we see today.
@@artiomcarabulea4629 O sa caut sa vad mai exact daca gasesc analize noi, dar din ce am citit din 14 schelete analizate ale celor ce au facut parte din cultura Cucuteni, 11 (78,5%) erau de haplogrup Y G2a, unul C1, unul I2 si un H2 parca. G2a era haplogrupul covarsitor al primilor fermieri neolitici din Europa.
@@EduardMicuI1 and I2 are East and West Hunter Gatherers, not Early Anatolian Farmers. Today Romanians have about 1/3 of EHG+WHG, 1/3 EAF and 1/3 Yamnaya
A year ago, I went to the archaeology museum in Cucuteni near Iași. The curator explained a stone wall that was discovered there. It is believed that the people of that time were burning the dead and keeping the ashes in clay jars. In an extraordinary funeral procession, the relatives of the deceased would throw the jar of ashes into the wall. If this is true, I imagine it being a very powerful act filled with emotion, an expression of grief and release.
After a generation or so a wooden/mud house is pretty beat. The walls erode and termites have weakened all the wood. Maybe periodic burning has a symbolic component grafted onto it but the frequency seems pretty practical to me.
Fire for us is a way to scare evil spirits, as well as a rebirth. There is an interesting tradition in Moldova called "Pastele blajinilor" which is after Easter. It's difficult to translate it, but the holiday is a celebration of our family and elders that have passed. Anyway, on the night before, usually youth gather in the evening and light up huge fires. The fire is said to scare away bad spirits and it predates christianity, it was just adopted somehow into it. They say they used to light up these fires in cemeteries too in the past, they would gather all the wooden crosses and burn then, for the ashes to be used later in ceremonies. And they made huge hay wheels they would light up and roll downhill. Im pretty sure it's only done in the area of Moldova and maybe some Ukraine, it's not done in Transylvania.
I am going to make a guess that there was a technological reason for the burnings. Maybe they didn't know how to protect wood from rot, maybe the floors were getting too muddy over time, there was maybe a sort of a "shelf life" to the houses and once they were too old, they were just uncomfortable to live in and needed a renovation - or what was actually easier, an overhaul. And then that could have been of course adorned with religious beliefs like what you suggested, but I am making a guess that the original reasons for these beliefs were practical. Imagine someone making a new house, looking after it, and with time seeing how it deteriorates - its supposed "soul" is aging and needs the "release". Would make sense to me at least.
Reason for burning their "cities" can be called public healthy and specificaly bubonic plague. Of course, those people could add to it some religious sauce, but original reason was to destroy food sources for mices and mices itself as main carriers of yersinia pestis.
@@BenLlywelynsome students and their profe built 2 of this settlements near Castrum Argamum in Dobrogea region, if Im not mistaken, in the early 90s. I've seen them 2years ago and they're holding pretty strong being protected only by their roofs, you wouldn't say they're 30yrs old..
Just supposition, i seen how this houses are built and maintained and as any other job, with a good technical approach it can be made for hundreds of years. In another hand do not underestimate the deep of them spiritual life which was more than you can figure out. Just ask about the symbols on the ceramics or the wood carved in the today villages culture of Romania and you will just have a first hint of this stuff.
Very interesting clip! This culture was part of the school syllabus, but I never paid too much attention to it. Apart from some pictures of artifacts and some time ranges, we weren't taught much. But seeing them as actual people, with peculiar customs like the burning of houses, definitely puts them into another light. I would guess that, most likely, their descendants continue to live in the same places, even though the Indo-Europeans might have severely diluted their genetic fingerprint and changed their material and spiritual culture.
If the speaker indication is correct, and I see no one attempts to challenge, this culture did not practice war (almost too hard to believe the HS to be capable of abstaining from) ,did not experience war for thousands of years, when it seems they were wealthy by time standards and had no defenses not weapons, build out of wood and not stone as elsewhere, wheater the population migrations around and through out, it sounds as a very powerful cultural group knitted by love of life and effemerity of it, all was maybe done to show rrspect for ancestor lifes by starting it again: you lived your 60-80 years of life cycle and what it teally matter are your children not what build and acquired im life and is time to let them have their own. Maybe the changes in the cycle reflect the general longer healthier life of that period. (Maybe their universal health care has improved 😊). Referring to the newer settlement in Ukraine than the western part, i think the time of habitation makes all of them equally valuable for the same cultural values. Yamnaya....the Cucuteni retreat to the Carpathians was maybe more of a cultural nature to return where it started and peacefully bail out of the violence? No one will ever know. Maybe that is why the next few thousand years the Carpatians never saw the stone building culture that seemed to pop-up all over Europe and Asia? No one will ever know. But to petsist for so many thousand of years as a non-statal culture while existing for thousands of years rises a very scarry question. What did we lose? Those people seem to be conceptual at the root of all technology that followed...
@JohnPaulii - Very good comment. I'm from Romania and I'm trying to understand more about the "Europe old culture". Before the so called "indoeuropeans" invasion which by the way spread no so fast as we suppose today, all the Europe were similar cultures. Think about the Mycenaeans (before the Greeks invasion, Greeks being a mix of new indoeuropeans coming from the pontic steps and older Phoenicians) , Minoans, Ethruscans, all this culture even much later than the Cucuteni civilization, didn't have wars, leaders or the possession obsession. The new indoeuropeans came with all of this habits. I'm trying to figure out how all happened and I am comparing with the later history. All of this culture of war/conflicts, property, and leadership/slavery is specific to the middle East, Babilon , Akkadian empire.... We know that the Indo-European people were taller than the Europeans. Same we know about the Akkadian. So comparing the later history, something similar happened. A traders culture, people who make wealth trading, employing armed guards from the Asian area to protect the goods, realise after a while that they can use them guards, becoming armies to control new territories and enslave people directly or organising countries and becoming leaders. What I mean is that all the time in the history, behind a warriors invader population were this people coming from Middle East with the culture of controlling the others, trading and enslaving. Think about the later Kazar empire and all the disaster happened with the Europe invasions and the spread of the Kazars in Europe which caused more than 1000 years of conflicts, slavery in a specific way for Europe were the people due to the harsh weather had to work hard anyway and the leaders didn't need to push them to work but just ask for "taxes". All of this culture spread in Europe, and the next steps was AMERICA. And the process of destroying cultures and enslaving people repeated. Do you recognise the pattern?! Are you wondering why we have today a jewish hegemony?!
The subject is much more complex. I speak as a romanian historian with a lot of interest in prehistoric cultures. This is an "official" history, but the reality is always beyond the narrow methods of research.
Ben , the burning of the houses had sanitation purposes...people at that time knew that heir houses could hide in their wals insects that could hurt them especially ticks.They were burning the houses and rebuild them again.ussualy the houses were burn if an epidemic or an importamt person died.in chatal huyuk for example at the begining of that culture the dead people were burried under the houses where they lived so that the new habitants of the house could live in community with the elders spirits.Of course that after a while all those corpses were in putrefaction creating diseases and they gave up to that practise and learned to burn the old house as a sanitation purpose. What is more amazing that all the statues that you show in the videos didn t have carvings on them.All those carvings represent how women covered their naked bodies with natural paint.All those round shape lines represented the rivers flowing or the rain falling from the sky. The cucuteni-trypylia culture, vinca culture and middle cicladic culture were having a lot of features in commun. More then this so called "old europe" that was destroyed by the yamnaia culture(the roaming indo european warriors of the stepps from the north of crimea) were more civilised and more modern then our society: 1.It was a matriarchat that means women were leaders, shamans(priests) and judges.Men were inferior to women and they were not allowed to occupy leading position in those society;They were representing the working and the hunting force. 2.The leaders of the comunity were what we still call in our romanian society "sfatul batranelor": the old women councils.this ancient habit of women gathering toghether to discuss the problems of the comunity around the fire place is still kept today in maramures when old ladies gather toghether and they start working the wool of sheeps and goats. 3.the cult of the wild boar was practised in cucuteni houses and that show us that cucuteni-trypilia people were coming from anatolia and that is why all cucuteni houses are very similar to chatal huyuk houses.That means the cucuteni-tripylia people were having the knowleges to build huge houses made of wood and clay plaster (in romania is called paianta) 4.the practised modern sistems for agriculture knowing the irigation system and the rotation of cultures.how we know that? the settlements were fixed and every developed 5.they had special technics in carving animal bones and have special knowleges in making winter clothes.i was at a museum in brasov talking about old europe and they showed how they made shoes of leather with stuffing made of hay( our romanian opinca). 6.They had a huge respect for nature.the biggest god of cucuteni -tripylia culture was mother earth who was presented as an old naked lady having on the skin all the marks of a woman who gave birth to a lot of children. that is why all dead were buried in a fetal position as babies going back to the mother nature woom.The cult of the dead that we see today in the orthodox church(mosi de vara and mosi de iarna) when people are coming to the graves to pay respect to the elder and to make donations in food or old clothes to gypsies or poor people has it s beginings in this culture. 7.the music especially the spiritual one were very similar to what you see today in the romanian customs for new years eve or christmas( the wool masks or the dancing bear or the dancing goat).masks were used to chase away bad omens and the protection against those bad spirits were amulets having the blue eye of the mother earth(greeks call that MATI).why blue eye? because the women of that time and place were a mixture of eastern hunter-gatherers DNA and anatolian farmers DNA.So the cucuteni trypilia people were brown skin people with blue eyes(strange combination...right?)...that is why all slavs have blue eyes from the cucuteni-trypilia people and the white skin of the yamnaia warriors. 8.The natural medicaments and treatments were know by the shaman old ladies of the cucuteni-tripylia culture.that is why still today the romanian grandmothers are walking enciclopedias of natural treatments and good food recipes. As a conclusion: romanians and people in the balkan region should learn more about the history and the culture of the land that they live on, should respect more our elders especially grandmothers for their wisdom, kindness and good food recipes. i will give a closure to what i wrote with a romanian saying that comes probably form cucuteni-tripylia wisdom: nicaieri nu este ca la mama acasa..(nowhere is good like it is at my mothers home).. Good luck ben with your vlogs!!!!
@@laurentiupacioglu6555 they did the same in Ireland in the dark ages and I reckon that the tradition was just a practical necessity. The houses seemed to have been used for a generation or two, then burned and rebuilt If you build out of green wood with waddle and daub or timber plank walls, your house will probably last for about 50 years max before the foundation posts rot and insect infestation destroys the structure. Especially if your settlement is on or close to the flood plain of a river, like most early settlements would have been. I imagine that more advanced social structures would probably have included laws or traditions on up-keeping property in the region. Especially if the property was occupied by tenants who paid rent. Also, burning the house to the ground every so often would have hardened the ground underneath giving a more solid footing for foundations posts and keeping the floor dry.
@@laurentiupacioglu6555 they did the same in Ireland in the dark ages and I reckon that the tradition was just a practical necessity. The houses seemed to have been used for a generation or two, then burned and rebuilt If you build out of green wood with waddle and daub or timber plank walls, your house will probably last for about 50 years max before the foundation posts rot and insect infestation destroys the structure. Especially if your settlement is on or close to the flood plain of a river, like most early settlements would have been. I imagine that more advanced social structures would probably have included laws or traditions on up-keeping property in the region. Especially if the property was occupied by tenants who paid rent. Also, burning the house to the ground every so often would have hardened the ground underneath giving a more solid footing for foundations posts and keeping the floor dry.
@@stevenjackson6360you didn't understand too much. It wasn't any propertie in that times and even less "tenants"... 😅. The culture of owning and renting came much later in Europe with the Jews.
If you have ever lived in a settlement constructed by wood, so you know that this structure after some time rots. 60 t0 80 years is a good period for such a construction. After that it stinks and falls in direct decay. a good reason to have a renovation and even a spiritual one.
In may village in north of Romania, in the region of Bucovina, there ben found in the early 70s stone tols belongings to Cucuteni culture . Some of them, are in history museum from Bucarest, som of them are kept in oure local school.
My suggestion is to follow the bloodline. Where did the Cucuteni women go? My mtdna is H5A +152. This rare version haplotype came to Germany about 5.000 years ago. In my mothers-mothers line they were matriarchal. Men who married got the surname of their mother-in-law. The women owned the farms. This changed when the Prussians took over the region. It is possible that H5A (+152) originated in Cucuteni culture. Another suggestion: rebuild the house in ancient style and watch it deteriorate. Will the house have to be rebuild after 60 years?
@@BenLlywelyn Saxons from the Netherlands burn leftover crops with easter, in huge amounts. Paasvuren: also in Scandinavia, Deutschland, Schweiz, Östereich. My 105 years old house has bugs, i'm sure, but I'm not going to burn it. To incorporate burning things with religion, you must think about it like a two way highway. If it has a result it must be true. If you admire women and their monthly cycle, there could be a larger life long cycle. If you burn your house you get rid of lice, infestations, woodworm, and you celebrate/thank your grandmother as well, that might be true back then, but it is just speculation nowadays. The only thing to do is follow the diaspora.
Cucuteni women were (same as men) almost completely holocausted by raiders at first of culture Chvalinsk and mainly by raiders of Stredny Stog culture. Those lineages of women who survived centuries of these raids and waves of plague, those raiders of course let for themselves as skilled and valuable property and used as it was common.
Just my personal opinion.... I cook everything from scratch. We're a Navy family and move every two/four years. I hate cooking in another womens kitchen. So, my husband (he's an Engineer) rips out the old kitchens and rebuilds them. I can see these ancient women starting their own families and wanting to have a new house. Burning the old home would be symbolic.... Out with the Old... In with the New. Great Channel. 😊
What if their burnings were more practical. Is it possible they knew that burnt land comes back to life extremely well. Is it possible they burnt the land to reinvigorate it but knew they had no way to save their homes?
You need to understand that Pre Cucuteni proto Europeans appeared in the east Carpathians and gradually expanded east to Dnieper, as an offshoot of Cris Koros Transylvanian Neolithic, and mixed with Gumelnitza from the south and the steppe EHG from north Black sea. Genetically they were mostly G2a, I2a, J2b. G2a were Neolithic farmers from Anatolia, I2 is still over 40% in Romania today, while J2b in eastern Europe is specific to the Vlachs. Bessarab founders were J2b as well and most of those found with Basarab name, even from west Ukraine are also J2b hg. Notice that J2b, originated in south Caucasus, also came during Cooper and Bronze age along R1b L23 as Proto Indo Europeans. L23 originated either in south Caucaus or east Caspian and is represented specifically by the speakers of Proto Anatolian, Proto Thracians and Proto Celto - Italics. East branch Z2103 spread first with the Proto Anatolian speakers more than 5000 years ago, then with the Proto Thracians 4400 - 4000 years ago, while the west branch L55 developed into Proto Celts and Italic speakers, 3800 - 3200 years ago. Today most west Indo Europeans evolved from R1b L55, but the highest east R1b L23 in eastern Europe is found with the Vlachs of Balkans, over 36 % in Pindus mountains and the mountain Transylvanian Romanians, over 30% in Maramures, Bihor, Arad, Alba counties, Apuseni mountains in general, former Dacian strongholds. As for the highest I2a beyond Cucuteni, need to notice an overlap of two former Vlach people on the Adriatic coast, assimilated in time into Croatians,. Bosnians and Serbs. The former Mauro / North Vlachs, known short as Morlachs, of the Dinaric mountains and Dalmatia, who also gave the name of Monte Negro - Black mountain, of the former Vlach people, Serbianized in time. 13-14 century former republic of Ragusa was still 70% Vlach while its founder and savior was saint Blasius. Dalmatian language was a mix of Friuli west Romance like and east Romanian spelled, with an input of north west Romanian. That says it all about the history of this transition Romance language and its former Illyrian Getae mix. So now you also have the answer to your many guess works about the Geto - Dacian and Vlach people origin and their real connection with the people around, the Italics and the Celts, separated at north of Black sea or around the Carpathians, about 4-5,000 years ago.
Here in Romania, I was at an archeological site on a big hill. I was told, they had an oval shaped village with palisade, tower and gate ,burned down and a female and 1-2 infant skeletons at the gate.
I have a theory that maybe they burned down the houses for ancestors so that the ancestors would have their own home in the afterlife (a house they lived in) and this female totem could be some kind of guide that helped these ancestral spirits find their home in the afterlife. And maybe these ancestors were "happy" when their descendants sending them a house. They favored the living, gave them prosperity. Maybe when things were bad, they sent these houses more often, and maybe to burn them and send them to the afterlife, it had to be a specific time of the year or specific conditions
The area around Piatra Neamț is one of the oldest inhabited areas in Romania. The oldest traces of human civilisation in the present territory date back to the higher Paleolithic, about 100,000 years BCE. The Cucuteni culture, whose development lasted approximately one thousand years (c. 3600-2600 BCE) was attested in the territory of Neamţ county by a remarkable number of settlements (approx. 150), archaeological diggings unearthing important museum collections of Aeneolithic artifacts. Archaeologists have also discovered objects here dating back to the Neolithic Period and the Bronze Age (about 1900-1700 BCE). Excavations just outside the city revealed the ruins of a large Dacian city, Petrodava, mentioned by Greek geographer Ptolemy in the 2nd century. The whole compound had its heyday between the first century BCE and the first century CE. Standing out is the citadel at Bâtca Doamnei which contains shrines resembling those identified in the Orăștie Mountains. As far as the existence of a local leader is concerned, historians tend to suggest the identification of the Kingdom of Dicomes in the very political centre at Petrodava. The complex of strongholds without peer in Moldavia and Wallachia is evidence as to a powerful political and military centre both in Burebista’s time and in the period that preceded the reign of Decebalus... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piatra_Neam%C8%9B
Hello, my friend, excellent idea for a video as always. I have been intensively researching the phenomenon of migrations and the burning of habitats in the Neolithic and have come to one very obvious conclusion. People in Neolithic Europe burned their settlements and moved the moment a serious disease entered the habitat. The disease was likely brought by mice and rats, and anyone who has lived in the countryside knows they are always present where there are grains. At that time, an additional factor was that they didn’t have cats to reduce the rodent population. The cat is the animal that enabled the development of civilization by destroying rodents.
Oh how much I love this kind of content. Thank you. I wasn't aware of this culture. Are they contemporaries with the Anatolian farmers that migrated to Europe? Anyway, thank you. I loved this video and it blew my mind. P.D. No sprinkles this time? You could say that their decadence went off with a sprinkle of Indo-European.
It may have been something as simple as the houses were only built to last for one or two generations. And it was easier to burn them down and rebuild. Than it was to keep rebuilding the same old house, or to disassemble it.
They did not burn their buildings deliberately, 60 to 40 years ago when archaeology in the area was still well funded only the traces of burned buildings were considered "buildings", the rest of the dirt was regarded as filler, but one of the archaeologists I worked with in the early 90s got into a fight with his boss over it, and attempted to settle the issue by putting a bit of the "filler" in a fire and showed that it turned into the same material as the "burned building". Of course it did not persuade the older archaeologist.
@@BenLlywelyn not really, because the younger ones rested on their shoulders ;-) ... and digging by deposition layer instead of digging by depth (such as 10 cm at a time etc.) shows the unburned floors, postholes, ditches etc. where the older technique showed "filler"
I'm from Piatra Neamț and I've seen the Cucuteni museum a few times, so obviously I'm exceptionally qualified to speak on this subject, and I'm saying that even though I'm the most humble person I know. But seriously now, some of the very old houses still standing around the vilages here, are built of wood, clay, straw and manure. Prone to being infested by all kinds of animals and insects, as well as having a fairly short lifespan regarding their structural integrity. The way I see these things, for the older civilizations, is that they would have been very pragmatic people. I'm fairly convinced that the houses were burned with the scope of clearing the pests and "bad things" that bring spoiled food and disease. And because of the nature of the materials, it would be a lot more practical to just rebuild, fresh and strong, than to keep patching weakened materials.
Yes, I would conclude that these huts were built out of organic material which, after several decades, were just crumbling husks of mold and mildew. Burning them was just an expected part of the cycle. Quite interesting.
You should replace this map, because the culture is present also in Transylvania. Here, its name is Erősd/Ariușd, in Szeklerland. The northest point of we know is Marosvásárhely/Neumarkt/Târgu-Mureș. That settlement was excavated by my colleagues: Sándor Berecki and Sándor József Sztáncsuj. The culture started here and in Moldova of Romania, although, there are some stylistical differences between the two territories/facieses, then, it spread to Moldavia and Ukraine. Its birth was influenced by the Petrești culture. It seems to me, that you are counting also the Precucuteni culture to the Trypillia, thatswhy are you speaking about 5200 BC.
A simple explanation for the house burning could be that it was just easier than repairing an old house. Considering that their earth contact construction methods would lead to eventual failure of load bearing elements such as posts. I can see them trying to repair such damage and after doing so in the standard fashion (much shouting and cursing, etc); one individual sarcastically says "it would have been easier if we just rebuilt the dang thing!" And, indeed the next time was much easier.
Fire Could symbolise maybe purification and it’s a type of a ritual,so like water =baptise the fire=purifying Thank you for this lovely work like always I’ve learned a lot from you ❤❤❤
Fascinating that this area was mixed and almost produced cities. Large villages that could be called town lacking the authorative direction. Let's consider how this lack of tamed aggression may have been the result of the same action that created the 'tame' cattle and 'tame' horses. We now know that the boars in Chernobyl have radioactivity from past 'air testing. Could our 'tameness' in the gain and animals be due to a cosmic burst of radioactivity?
Ancient people probably had termite and roach problems, that we in the west have gotten rid of mostly. That's my theory for why they burned their houses.
In a far more recent example, the Mayan rebuilt their pyramids (especially) on something like a 70-year cycle, putting a new pyramid on top of the old pyramid, so there'd be a fresh new ceremonial space. I was fortunate enough to have been able to go up inside the Castillo in Chichen Itza in the Yucatan, back before they banned access to that. You are, in a rather tight "tunnel", able to climb the previous pyramids stairs up to the previous ritual space, which still has a rather magnificent jaguar altar in it. Perhaps both of these cultures had connected with a similar time concept. I also recall hearing that the citizens of Teotihuacan, every X number of years, brought out all their ceramics and smashed them on the main causeway through the city ... If you get down in front of the various level changing steps on this road, you can still see shards of painted pottery embedded in the dirt. Obviously, some ritual calendar cycle was operating there as well.
Hi Ben. Just want to add another perspective. What we consider "vanished" nowadays might have a different meaning for highly spiritually advanced cultures. Maybe when we say Cucuteni people "vanished" , Mayans "vanished" , Shambala "vanished" it's in fact "advanced " / "rise" to another "spiritual" dimension maybe. The technical advancements from Bronze Age also brought many wars and a hunger to feed the ego, diminishing the spiritual frequency of people and maybe because of that the gap was too high and we cut connections with the "higher" dimension.
Bravo! You have a good approach. Your only mistake is to suppose that they "advanced" when we can see today more and more that all next to that times was decadent. The new culture spread destroyed the old one and came with war/conflict, owning, money business, slavery..... And this is what we are calling today "judeo-Christian" culture.
Thank you Ben for another fascinating episode. I can hardly pronounce "Cucuteni" without breaking my tongue, but I can keep saying ''Trypillia" for hours. Trypillia could be roughly translated into English as the three fields -- just a fun fact. In Ukraine, Trypillia culture is well known and to a certain extent celebrated. At the end of the '90s, there were some pseudo-archeologists and pseudo-historians who tried to prove that Ukrainians were the descendants of the Tripollians. Their works were the source of many jokes at that time. The Trypillian pottery is amazing. It's worth seeing it with your own eyes.
@@BenLlywelyn And 'field' is also very Indo-European. Поле [pole] the sound 'e' like in the word energy, from palam, palam is Latin for open -- if I'm not mistaken. In the Western Ukrainian dialect, there is the word полонина [polonyna], kind of mountain meadow. In Polish, there are also very similar words. Quite away from the English 'field', but probably from the same root, so to speak.
Burning their villages must have been related to attempting purification, which was common in ancient societies.The female statuettes that were burnt were made to look ugly intentionally in my opinion compared to the rest of their pottery.
Thank you for your reply. The rest of their pottery is also 6,000 years old. The female figurines were deformed before the burning: no hands, cut out legs, hollowed out, despaired looking. The civilisation that made them also burned them.
I have passed the link on to someone whose expertise includes matters that are relevant to neolithic cultures generally. I do not know if she will have time to watch the video or give a thoughtful response, but it's worth hoping.
Maybe they burned their dead together with the house, Indo Europeans habit? In India they still cremate their dead. Vikings burned their dead in the boats, with the boats.... just speculating😊
IF they burned their own towns, it may have been to fight off the Indoeuropean Plague (bubonic). In any case the country has never been the same since the Indoeuropeans conquered it. They didn't "just vanish": they were conquered by the Indoeuropeans and persisted in Romanian Moldova into the Bronze Age (Foltesti culture). Can you imagine that they would be unable to pronounce Trypillia?, that "tr" (or similar "kr", "tl", etc.) segment is absolutely cacophonic for Vasconic, it would have been rendered something like /tiripili/. 😆
@@BenLlywelyn - Not at all. It's true that for the most part the Indoeuropeans went around them (they probably had some quite mighty defensive militias) into the more wealthy Eastern Balcans and towards a mixed culture area in Kiev (and then into Poland and beyond) and that in one specific and smallish in the lower Dniestr, there was a mixed transitional culture (Usatovo culture), but mostly, as you said, they "vanished" and civilizations like that do not "vanish" without a reason. They were surely looted and destroyed and pushed to their last Bronze Age stand in Romanian Moldavia (Foltesti culture), which would be later conquered anyhow (unsure about the details but they were surrounded by Dacians and such, scary people.
It is indeed. It seems humans never had in the known history a peaceful civilization to be that stable and last that long.Whst is we don't know or see? The following 2000 years after Cucuteni there is not much evidence of technology advancement.e . Except im war tools, but at the same time they were just bigger and variations of what it appears those people knew how to make already.
We would have to go back and calculate the solar eclipses and then work out through burnings when these were to be sure, but I do think the burnings are too frequent and regular in terms of intervals for eclipses.
Northwest American Indians had a tradition of periodic house burning. It is unrelated but it is a documented anthropological cultural example of ritual house burning. Clues based on human psychology and analytical comparison might be useful if only slightly. Also, Yangshao as mentioned by another commenter in China. Although an immense long shot, multiple crossing in America as recently as 800 years ago (Tule Inuit arrived from Siberia in the Middle Ages and supplanted the Dorset), maybe there is a connection, (highly unlikely) between Yangshao and Pacific Northwest American Indian culture. Just another area of analytical comparison that could be made.
Cucuteni Trypillias are anatolian farmers. History of anatolian farmers. Natufian wf16 10 000 bc Gobekli Tepe 9 000 bc Chatal Hoyuk 8 000bc Lepenski Vir 3 fase 7 000bc Starcevo,Coros,kris 6200bc Vinca Turdos 5 500bc Cucuteni Trypillian 5 500bc
Cucuteni, Vinca are anatolian farmers mixed with the native thracians (the DNA shows this). Lepenski vir, Gobekli Tepe and these super old coultures are not anatolian farmers with haplogroup G2a but thracians with I2a and R1b. Anatolian farmers got 6000 years ago in Europe while Lepenski Vir, Gobekli Tepe, are 12 000 years old.
Pottery seems to have been central to their culture. What if there's a link between that and the ritual burning of their homes? What if they fired large batches of pottery in those ritual burnings of their homes?
@@BenLlywelyn I'm just brainstorming. Rituals often make little of "efficiency". I just find it interesting that they produced so much beautiful pottery, which need to be fired, and that they seem to have ritually fired their homes as well. Both traditions might, or might not, be culturally connected somehow. 😊
great piece ben thanks, i must add a a small opinion tho, [ ive knowledge of this for sure so it is personal opinion] If you live in a house , made of timber and thatch, maybewattle mud walls, ... and 80 yrs have elapsed, , thats potntially 2 sets of Gparents dead one could have built it] AND 80yrs of residents in the walls in the roof, in yr clothes,...DAM straiaght they purified it every now an again , , despite the ongoing obvious repairs list that wpulld be come an everincreaasing task
Now, in 2024, Chinese archaeologists are coming to Romania, in Iasi: researchers are looking for evidence to explain similarities between Cucuteni and Yangshao. Yangshao seems to be influenced by Cucuteni.
Fascinating.
Incredible 🎉 What will happen after chinese archeologist, find they origins in Romania 😮 China will start terytorial claims ?
I heard this.
It is only a cultural influence. Another example is the terracotta army, which seems to have been built based on the knowledge of some Hellenistic craftsmen, from the post-Alexander period. The hypothesis is also launched by the Chinese. They had not built large statues until that moment, and a group of people were discovered who were probably craftsmen with non-Chinese DNA from that period.
@@PabloLu777 No , Romanians will claim China ! Like they mostly do with all the territories which seems to have even a remote connection with Romanian territories . As you can see , Cucuteni culture barely touched Romanian territory , but my co-nationals already claim that Cucuteni farmers are their ancestors .
Multumesc frumos!! Sa-ti dea Dumnezeu sanatate! Thank you very much, Benjamin! I am from Moldova, from Botosani. I am from a village called Rediu. Every year before Easter we set up a huge fire on a hilltop next to our village and we burn all the old clothes and old stuff we dont need anymore. This is a tradition that has been there since forever. We love fire and we use it for healing and for purification. This documentary is really a masterpiece!! Thank you!!
In the city where I live, Piatra Neamț, there is a Cucuteni museum, with authentic Cucuteni exhibits, absolutely fabulous!
I invite you to visit them!
That would be a pleasure if this channel takes off and I afford to visit.
Been there. I fully recommend it!
Some believe that the Indo-Europeans were influenced by Cucuteni culture, with David Reich even saying that some individuals from this culture had Indo-European DNA. It predates the discovery of the cosmic order. The designs are natural and chaotic, unlike the geometric and symmetrical patterns of Indo-European cultures. Those pots are incredibly large, standing at about 1 meter tall and 70cm in diameter as I have seen them in Piatra Neamt. Their actual dimensions are not fully conveyed in the pictures.
@@Eminovicithe building which houses that museum is itself fascinating.
Survive the Jive
No weapons? Check. No defensive walls? Check. Peacefull society? Check. Dissapeared? Yeah...
@@mv504 it was matriarchal society as well.
Dissapeared!? It was more like transformed, caz the maternal dna lineage it's what makes the people of the lower danube so close. Also the traditional women clothing of eastern Europe..
They didn't "disapear",that is historical falsification.The truth is,that Cucuteni Tripoli is slavic civilization.And the only reason why this civilization have two names,is becouse it has been found in Romania and Russia.And unlike slavs,who lives in Europe for 10700 years.Romania was invented by Vatican as roman military district,called Roma Unia.And in order to create Romania,they have steal slavic land,and converted slavic people to "romanians".
@@Jasmin.M-hz5ty so much bs😂😂
First, Tripoli is in Libya. You mean Trypillia and it's Ukranian not russian.
Russia it is a crap empire of many steppe tribes and nations held captive by the thieving muskovy.
The Kyivan are the real russ people, as we latins call them 'ruteni' or 'rusini'.
Romanians are mostly Greek&Balkan people who were romanised 2000 years ago and have not been to much affected by the slavic migration of 6th 7th centuries unlike the people of today Serbia Bulgaria Croatia.
You are pushing pan-slavic propaganda which we are very well aware while Putin is dreaming of himsef as a tsar😂😂
Fu and ur collapsing empire!!!
@@Jasmin.M-hz5ty
There was no Roman Empire in 1946 when the country was named Romania. 😂
@@Jasmin.M-hz5ty Жасмин, сходи-ка полечись? К Рождеству, глядишь, отпустит ;)
It always kind of bothered me how anthropologists always presume that cultures disappear because they’re killed off, when genocide is so difficult, specially back then. I’m glad you brought up that civilizations can also be integrated too. Great video.
Integration, diseases, drought et.c. were often neglected by early archaeologists and historians, because these causes were not in line with the nationalistic paradigm during 19th and 20th centuries. As they could not form a heroic and mighty myth out of these causes.
They can but in this case most likely not... there is a very sharp decrease in the quality of ceramics. If significant numbers of people survived, the knowledge would have been preserved, they were not made in special shops, ceramic knowledge and decoration was widely known. Also, you can see the burial changes, the size of the people that live in the area grows by at least 10cm... Cucuteni Trypillia was probably devastated by the first Indo-European wave of migration. Towards the end they were building fortifications that were very uncharacteristic for them and most show signs of burning. The Eastern European civilizations suffered the harshest brunt of this migration, you can also see it in the DNA evidence and the similarities with Yamnaya... Now, the more West you go the DNA % decreases, showing that the locals survived in higher ratios, cultural and technological changes move faster than populations, they were most likely better prepared to face them.
They have ancient DNA now to prove how much is populations being wiped out and how much is integration. There is very string evidence that the Yamnya and other steppe people genetically replaced the Cucuteni and others, so yeah.
There is also the problem of diseases brought with migration, as happened with the native population on the American continent.
@Bayard1503 whenever technology questions arise, i want to ask "what is the most advanced technology you can build?" Watch How To Make Everything, he is building Roman era machines but finding the creation of glass to be quite difficult.
New favorite channel; I find gems every day; I’m very thankful for UA-cam
Thank you
HE IS SPREADING ONLY LIES!
Regarding the burning house part, and the lack of burial sites, I guess is a connection there.
Deep religious beliefs -> check
No burials -> check
Houses burned after a few generations and not at the same time-> check.
I think the burial it self was the burning practice. Like other civilizations , maybe they were burning the deceased,so "the soul may go onto the other realm with it's belongings for familiarity" and the place to be "cleansed".
I agree. Makes the most sense of the data.
agree
I have seen a video where it was mentioned that the bodies where buried under the house. Maybe when burning the houses, the burial may have been affected too.
This would make sense if they burned the house when the homeowner(s) died, basically turning it into a funeral pyre. However, these human remains would have been found, and this is not mentioned in the video.
@@adamesd3699 this part it's up to speculation from my side, but I suppose they probably threw it somewhere,like idk.. a high mountain. But I REAPET this is just speculation.
Religiously speaking is the most probable next step
Romanian pre history is the best part of its history😊 Thank you Ben
Welcome.
In fact, the entire history of the romanians is underappreciated and underestimated.
It is Bulgarian history, not Romanian.
@@IWasBornAFreeGreekIt is not Romanian history. It is Thracian Bulgarian history.
@@meo7387 a long time ago I met a Bulgarian named Iulian/ I asked him how he got that name??? and he replied that Iulian is a purely Bulgarian name with Bulgarian roots / poor Julius Caesar, he didn't know he was Bulgarian / should I say something about Vardar??? / hello insane asylum, we still have a country full of deranged people
Regarding the burning of the house, 4:16
After my grandparents died on my mother's side, nobody dared to enter their home for months. The heartache was too much. None of their children live in it now and they are planning on tearing it down because seeing it standing makes everyone sad.
Also, houses made of mud and straw only last one lifetime, then they need to be demolished. The foundation sinks and the walls and roof start sloping to the sides.
Family can carry joy, and heartache, in ways few things can. Relevant feedback. Thanks.
In the story "Moara cu nororc" (The Mill of Good Luck) at the end of the book the mill is set on fire because the author from 1850 saw it at the only way that place could be cleaned from all the bad thing that happened there. Even to this day I remember how hard our teachers wanted us to understand that fire in Romanian culture is a way to purify things, the saying "ardele-ar focul" (may the fire burn them) is said tho hearing bad fortune or when something bothers you or has a negative connotation.
My countryside house is +200 years old and it was made of straw, mud and wood. They can last a very long time if they're well kept. If not, they decay like all things.
There are some Aboriginal Australian cultures where traditionally when someone dies, they destroy their house, may not be the exact same kind of tradition but worth looking up, can't remember where in Australia this was.
@@robertescu6435I thought about 'Moara cu noroc' as well and that's my humble explanation too. Once the mother of the house(because they were matriarchal society) was passing away, they were burning down their family house...
Your fascination for dacians->romanians demands deep respects.😎
What he don't accept îs that the language and culture was continuous since thousands years ago until today, but this îs just because he never visited România or because he's jew and they will never recognise someone as older than them.
@@ionelghiorghita688 Romanians know way too well about jews. The peasant uprising from 1907 it was due to greedy jews. No doubts. The legionar movement from 20-30 was a reaction of jews attirude towards romanians. Again. Do doubts. Today, nobody sides with jews anymore. The truth is showing up in its entirety uglyness about jews .
@@ionelghiorghita688 ?? older??? first WHG skeletons found in today belgium so every europeans are belga?
Control your urges to propagate Romanian quasi history.
@@latakicsi2183I was just speaking about the first historical mention. Otherwise it's still a lot to find out.
This was spectacular. Never heard about this culture. Subscribed.
Edit: I enjoy your voice also, it's very pleasant to listen to.
Thank you very much.
Learn about it and you will be surprised
Hey Ben, been away for a while. First video of yours I've looked at for a good few months if not more. Happy to see you seem to have gotten a better microphone since then and your general videography skills seem to be improving. The knowledge and narrative has always been pretty good. I think the audio levels do still need a little attention but you're definitely getting there mate. You make interesting content and I think you'll do really well with a little polishing. Good stuff.
Welcome back. Yes, worked on audio and always, still learning to improve. Glad you liked this and thank you for the feedback.
Was aware of this culture having lived in Romania till the age of 35, but had no idea of all the fascinating details around it. Thank you!
Welcome.
Cucuteni civilisation domesticated the grapes and the vineyards.
They are the moldovans of today, the heaviest drinkers in the world(25% of the population dies from alcohol related ilness).
And the moldovans still have a majority of matronymic names which sugests the womans are the head of the family.
A Ioanei, A mariei, A being the matronymic prefix similar to the irish O' prefix, just that the A is explicitly,, of female,,.
They didnt vanished, just transformed over time.
And they had horses too because the horse and the cow were domesticated very close to them in Scithia Minor in Romania.
But Cucuteni means vineyard growing coulture.
And they were for sure indoeuropean language speakers like the Cernavoda coulture which are considered to be the first indoeuropeans.
If you look on map of Cernavoda coulture, its big but it starts in a spot right under Cucuteni in Scithia Minor,Dobrogea.
Good civilisations drink wine.
Based @@BenLlywelyn
Bei singur Mihaita? Nu ne chemi si pe noi?
I make my own wine. Want the recipee?
Did you know that wine does not create alcoholism/dependency? Only hard alcohol does.
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Supreme in generosity. Thank you!
Thank you for your hard work!
Thank you for watching.
Cucuteni is more correct because the oldest artifacts from this civilization were found near cucuteni and trypilia is the youngest archeological site for this civilization, so the ukrainian zone covered by Cucuteni civ was the extension, the expansion of the civ, not its original cradle.
Judging by the amount of ceramics found around the Siret and Prut rivers I agree with you.
It's just a naming convention among archeologists. Similar to the scientific formulas discovered independently by different scientists. Cucuteni-Trypillia was discovered independently about the same time in the Romanian kingdom, the Russian empire, and Austria-Hungary. In addition, archeologists agree that Cucuteni-Trypillya is not a "culture" (in the archeological sense) but a "cultural and historical unity", a term used for an even wider community of peoples than a strictu sensu "archeological culture" but it is a rather technical term.
Russians added " Tripolie" to the original name
Extension or not, the settlements in Ukraine were double in size if not more than the ones in Moldova... of course, geography lead to that, bigger rivers, more fertile agricultural lands in Ukraine. Anyway the combination of the names is right. It's the incredible size of the settlements that makes Cucuteni-Trypillia so special... otherwise similar late Neolithic cultures in SE Europe were just as advanced.
Educational and informative. Thanks for posting much apricated
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Best history channel on UA-cam thank you for talking about European history we need to keep our past to understand our future.
Thank you.
bun, foarte bun ..... nota 10 e doar pentru profesori ...si, da asta e de nota +10 .. asta ma convins sa ma abonez
Vă mulțumesc pentru abonare și mă bucur că vă place.
I am obssessed with this civilisation.
I am an Archaeologist from Texas , some of our agricultural tribes ( CADDO ; Tejas ) had a fire culture that keep a fire going for 52 yrs then put it out and re set the ceremony fires and keep this till destroyed by the invading Anglo Americans in 1836-58.
That is cool. Thanks.
They are among my Y haplogroup G2a ancestors. Great-great-great ... grandfathers and uncles from the Neolithic era, a proof of continuity of at almost 7000 years. :)
@@EduardMicu 75% erau de haplogrup masculin G2a. Arata analizele facute pe ramasitele umane descoperite din cultura Cucuteni. Este si haplogrupul meu.
Erau și haplogrupul I1 sau I2 pe acolo?
@@artiomcarabulea4629Cucuteni DNA was 75-80% Early European Farmers and about 20% Eastern and Western Hunter-Gatherers (which are the I1 and I2 you asked about). They had less than 5% Yamnaya, probably admixture with their neighbors prior to the massive Yamnaya invasion that destroyed the Cucuteni culture and massively changed European DNA, close to the ratios we see today.
@@artiomcarabulea4629 O sa caut sa vad mai exact daca gasesc analize noi, dar din ce am citit din 14 schelete analizate ale celor ce au facut parte din cultura Cucuteni, 11 (78,5%) erau de haplogrup Y G2a, unul C1, unul I2 si un H2 parca. G2a era haplogrupul covarsitor al primilor fermieri neolitici din Europa.
@@EduardMicuI1 and I2 are East and West Hunter Gatherers, not Early Anatolian Farmers.
Today Romanians have about 1/3 of EHG+WHG, 1/3 EAF and 1/3 Yamnaya
Just speculation but Tara in Ireland was apparently burnt every 3 or 4 generations so you might be on to something.
A year ago, I went to the archaeology museum in Cucuteni near Iași. The curator explained a stone wall that was discovered there. It is believed that the people of that time were burning the dead and keeping the ashes in clay jars. In an extraordinary funeral procession, the relatives of the deceased would throw the jar of ashes into the wall. If this is true, I imagine it being a very powerful act filled with emotion, an expression of grief and release.
Oh man, your voice and speech pattern is so calming...
Not like it's a bad thing, but I fell asleep in the first 5 minutes of listening...
Skills.
Cholera outbreak : Burning the village !
Archeologists: Ritualistic burning of the villages .
Very interesting
10:17 Crom laughs at the Four Winds !
After a generation or so a wooden/mud house is pretty beat. The walls erode and termites have weakened all the wood. Maybe periodic burning has a symbolic component grafted onto it but the frequency seems pretty practical to me.
No termites in Europe.
Fascinating. thank you.
Welcomd.
Fire for us is a way to scare evil spirits, as well as a rebirth. There is an interesting tradition in Moldova called "Pastele blajinilor" which is after Easter. It's difficult to translate it, but the holiday is a celebration of our family and elders that have passed. Anyway, on the night before, usually youth gather in the evening and light up huge fires. The fire is said to scare away bad spirits and it predates christianity, it was just adopted somehow into it. They say they used to light up these fires in cemeteries too in the past, they would gather all the wooden crosses and burn then, for the ashes to be used later in ceremonies. And they made huge hay wheels they would light up and roll downhill. Im pretty sure it's only done in the area of Moldova and maybe some Ukraine, it's not done in Transylvania.
Burning crosses in a cemetary. That sounds spooky!
@@BenLlywelyn how else do you get rid of evil spirits in your country? :)
This is fascinating. I don't recall having heard of these people before.
I am going to make a guess that there was a technological reason for the burnings. Maybe they didn't know how to protect wood from rot, maybe the floors were getting too muddy over time, there was maybe a sort of a "shelf life" to the houses and once they were too old, they were just uncomfortable to live in and needed a renovation - or what was actually easier, an overhaul. And then that could have been of course adorned with religious beliefs like what you suggested, but I am making a guess that the original reasons for these beliefs were practical. Imagine someone making a new house, looking after it, and with time seeing how it deteriorates - its supposed "soul" is aging and needs the "release". Would make sense to me at least.
Your theory is very sensible. Would need a reconstruction of several of these houses in a cluster to prove this.
Reason for burning their "cities" can be called public healthy and specificaly bubonic plague. Of course, those people could add to it some religious sauce, but original reason was to destroy food sources for mices and mices itself as main carriers of yersinia pestis.
@@BenLlywelynsome students and their profe built 2 of this settlements near Castrum Argamum in Dobrogea region, if Im not mistaken, in the early 90s.
I've seen them 2years ago and they're holding pretty strong being protected only by their roofs, you wouldn't say they're 30yrs old..
Just supposition, i seen how this houses are built and maintained and as any other job, with a good technical approach it can be made for hundreds of years. In another hand do not underestimate the deep of them spiritual life which was more than you can figure out. Just ask about the symbols on the ceramics or the wood carved in the today villages culture of Romania and you will just have a first hint of this stuff.
Is it a coincidence, Tartaria Empire and Tartaria located in Romania where they found the oldest writing?
I don't think so
The tablets were forged by romantics.
Very interesting clip! This culture was part of the school syllabus, but I never paid too much attention to it. Apart from some pictures of artifacts and some time ranges, we weren't taught much. But seeing them as actual people, with peculiar customs like the burning of houses, definitely puts them into another light.
I would guess that, most likely, their descendants continue to live in the same places, even though the Indo-Europeans might have severely diluted their genetic fingerprint and changed their material and spiritual culture.
Treating others as people is a good trait.
If the speaker indication is correct, and I see no one attempts to challenge, this culture did not practice war (almost too hard to believe the HS to be capable of abstaining from) ,did not experience war for thousands of years, when it seems they were wealthy by time standards and had no defenses not weapons, build out of wood and not stone as elsewhere, wheater the population migrations around and through out, it sounds as a very powerful cultural group knitted by love of life and effemerity of it, all was maybe done to show rrspect for ancestor lifes by starting it again: you lived your 60-80 years of life cycle and what it teally matter are your children not what build and acquired im life and is time to let them have their own. Maybe the changes in the cycle reflect the general longer healthier life of that period. (Maybe their universal health care has improved 😊).
Referring to the newer settlement in Ukraine than the western part, i think the time of habitation makes all of them equally valuable for the same cultural values. Yamnaya....the Cucuteni retreat to the Carpathians was maybe more of a cultural nature to return where it started and peacefully bail out of the violence? No one will ever know. Maybe that is why the next few thousand years the Carpatians never saw the stone building culture that seemed to pop-up all over Europe and Asia? No one will ever know. But to petsist for so many thousand of years as a non-statal culture while existing for thousands of years rises a very scarry question. What did we lose? Those people seem to be conceptual at the root of all technology that followed...
@JohnPaulii - Very good comment. I'm from Romania and I'm trying to understand more about the "Europe old culture". Before the so called "indoeuropeans" invasion which by the way spread no so fast as we suppose today, all the Europe were similar cultures. Think about the Mycenaeans (before the Greeks invasion, Greeks being a mix of new indoeuropeans coming from the pontic steps and older Phoenicians) , Minoans, Ethruscans, all this culture even much later than the Cucuteni civilization, didn't have wars, leaders or the possession obsession. The new indoeuropeans came with all of this habits. I'm trying to figure out how all happened and I am comparing with the later history. All of this culture of war/conflicts, property, and leadership/slavery is specific to the middle East, Babilon , Akkadian empire.... We know that the Indo-European people were taller than the Europeans. Same we know about the Akkadian. So comparing the later history, something similar happened. A traders culture, people who make wealth trading, employing armed guards from the Asian area to protect the goods, realise after a while that they can use them guards, becoming armies to control new territories and enslave people directly or organising countries and becoming leaders. What I mean is that all the time in the history, behind a warriors invader population were this people coming from Middle East with the culture of controlling the others, trading and enslaving. Think about the later Kazar empire and all the disaster happened with the Europe invasions and the spread of the Kazars in Europe which caused more than 1000 years of conflicts, slavery in a specific way for Europe were the people due to the harsh weather had to work hard anyway and the leaders didn't need to push them to work but just ask for "taxes". All of this culture spread in Europe, and the next steps was AMERICA. And the process of destroying cultures and enslaving people repeated. Do you recognise the pattern?! Are you wondering why we have today a jewish hegemony?!
Excellent video as usual. I suggest you to cover the Vinca culture as well. They invented writing two millennia before the Sumerians.
They need to be looked at.
@@BenLlywelynVinca-Turdas are the oldest known european coulture. They are 11 000 years old 😂, 9000 BC thracians.
The subject is much more complex. I speak as a romanian historian with a lot of interest in prehistoric cultures. This is an "official" history, but the reality is always beyond the narrow methods of research.
You are welcome to make a video of your own on this subject.
That's a soft comment saying no comment to the speaker and no added info to add ...🤷
CU CU TE NI short i . Congrats for the great documentaries!
Thank you.
Ben , the burning of the houses had sanitation purposes...people at that time knew that heir houses could hide in their wals insects that could hurt them especially ticks.They were burning the houses and rebuild them again.ussualy the houses were burn if an epidemic or an importamt person died.in chatal huyuk for example at the begining of that culture the dead people were burried under the houses where they lived so that the new habitants of the house could live in community with the elders spirits.Of course that after a while all those corpses were in putrefaction creating diseases and they gave up to that practise and learned to burn the old house as a sanitation purpose.
What is more amazing that all the statues that you show in the videos didn t have carvings on them.All those carvings represent how women covered their naked bodies with natural paint.All those round shape lines represented the rivers flowing or the rain falling from the sky.
The cucuteni-trypylia culture, vinca culture and middle cicladic culture were having a lot of features in commun.
More then this so called "old europe" that was destroyed by the yamnaia culture(the roaming indo european warriors of the stepps from the north of crimea) were more civilised and more modern then our society:
1.It was a matriarchat that means women were leaders, shamans(priests) and judges.Men were inferior to women and they were not allowed to occupy leading position in those society;They were representing the working and the hunting force.
2.The leaders of the comunity were what we still call in our romanian society "sfatul batranelor": the old women councils.this ancient habit of women gathering toghether to discuss the problems of the comunity around the fire place is still kept today in maramures when old ladies gather toghether and they start working the wool of sheeps and goats.
3.the cult of the wild boar was practised in cucuteni houses and that show us that cucuteni-trypilia people were coming from anatolia and that is why all cucuteni houses are very similar to chatal huyuk houses.That means the cucuteni-tripylia people were having the knowleges to build huge houses made of wood and clay plaster (in romania is called paianta)
4.the practised modern sistems for agriculture knowing the irigation system and the rotation of cultures.how we know that? the settlements were fixed and every developed
5.they had special technics in carving animal bones and have special knowleges in making winter clothes.i was at a museum in brasov talking about old europe and they showed how they made shoes of leather with stuffing made of hay( our romanian opinca).
6.They had a huge respect for nature.the biggest god of cucuteni -tripylia culture was mother earth who was presented as an old naked lady having on the skin all the marks of a woman who gave birth to a lot of children. that is why all dead were buried in a fetal position as babies going back to the mother nature woom.The cult of the dead that we see today in the orthodox church(mosi de vara and mosi de iarna) when people are coming to the graves to pay respect to the elder and to make donations in food or old clothes to gypsies or poor people has it s beginings in this culture.
7.the music especially the spiritual one were very similar to what you see today in the romanian customs for new years eve or christmas( the wool masks or the dancing bear or the dancing goat).masks were used to chase away bad omens and the protection against those bad spirits were amulets having the blue eye of the mother earth(greeks call that MATI).why blue eye? because the women of that time and place were a mixture of eastern hunter-gatherers DNA and anatolian farmers DNA.So the cucuteni trypilia people were brown skin people with blue eyes(strange combination...right?)...that is why all slavs have blue eyes from the cucuteni-trypilia people and the white skin of the yamnaia warriors.
8.The natural medicaments and treatments were know by the shaman old ladies of the cucuteni-tripylia culture.that is why still today the romanian grandmothers are walking enciclopedias of natural treatments and good food recipes.
As a conclusion: romanians and people in the balkan region should learn more about the history and the culture of the land that they live on, should respect more our elders especially grandmothers for their wisdom, kindness and good food recipes.
i will give a closure to what i wrote with a romanian saying that comes probably form cucuteni-tripylia wisdom: nicaieri nu este ca la mama acasa..(nowhere is good like it is at my mothers home)..
Good luck ben with your vlogs!!!!
@@laurentiupacioglu6555 they did the same in Ireland in the dark ages and I reckon that the tradition was just a practical necessity.
The houses seemed to have been used for a generation or two, then burned and rebuilt
If you build out of green wood with waddle and daub or timber plank walls, your house will probably last for about 50 years max before the foundation posts rot and insect infestation destroys the structure. Especially if your settlement is on or close to the flood plain of a river, like most early settlements would have been.
I imagine that more advanced social structures would probably have included laws or traditions on up-keeping property in the region. Especially if the property was occupied by tenants who paid rent.
Also, burning the house to the ground every so often would have hardened the ground underneath giving a more solid footing for foundations posts and keeping the floor dry.
@@laurentiupacioglu6555 they did the same in Ireland in the dark ages and I reckon that the tradition was just a practical necessity.
The houses seemed to have been used for a generation or two, then burned and rebuilt
If you build out of green wood with waddle and daub or timber plank walls, your house will probably last for about 50 years max before the foundation posts rot and insect infestation destroys the structure. Especially if your settlement is on or close to the flood plain of a river, like most early settlements would have been.
I imagine that more advanced social structures would probably have included laws or traditions on up-keeping property in the region. Especially if the property was occupied by tenants who paid rent.
Also, burning the house to the ground every so often would have hardened the ground underneath giving a more solid footing for foundations posts and keeping the floor dry.
Similar to Ukraine culture.
@@stevenjackson6360you didn't understand too much. It wasn't any propertie in that times and even less "tenants"... 😅. The culture of owning and renting came much later in Europe with the Jews.
Good comment! 🙏
A fascinating great culture
Glad you liked it Janet!
Good thing you R finding it 😄
If you have ever lived in a settlement constructed by wood, so you know that this structure after some time rots. 60 t0 80 years is a good period for such a construction. After that it stinks and falls in direct decay. a good reason to have a renovation and even a spiritual one.
Clay as well.
groovy
In may village in north of Romania, in the region of Bucovina, there ben found in the early 70s stone tols belongings to Cucuteni culture . Some of them, are in history museum from Bucarest, som of them are kept in oure local school.
That carving is awesome i want to see it in its full glory.
Likewise.
My suggestion is to follow the bloodline. Where did the Cucuteni women go? My mtdna is H5A +152. This rare version haplotype came to Germany about 5.000 years ago. In my mothers-mothers line they were matriarchal. Men who married got the surname of their mother-in-law. The women owned the farms. This changed when the Prussians took over the region. It is possible that H5A (+152) originated in Cucuteni culture. Another suggestion: rebuild the house in ancient style and watch it deteriorate. Will the house have to be rebuild after 60 years?
Deterioration would indeed need repairs, or you could burn it and rebuild.
@@BenLlywelyn Saxons from the Netherlands burn leftover crops with easter, in huge amounts. Paasvuren: also in Scandinavia, Deutschland, Schweiz, Östereich. My 105 years old house has bugs, i'm sure, but I'm not going to burn it. To incorporate burning things with religion, you must think about it like a two way highway. If it has a result it must be true. If you admire women and their monthly cycle, there could be a larger life long cycle. If you burn your house you get rid of lice, infestations, woodworm, and you celebrate/thank your grandmother as well, that might be true back then, but it is just speculation nowadays. The only thing to do is follow the diaspora.
Cucuteni women were (same as men) almost completely holocausted by raiders at first of culture Chvalinsk and mainly by raiders of Stredny Stog culture. Those lineages of women who survived centuries of these raids and waves of plague, those raiders of course let for themselves as skilled and valuable property and used as it was common.
I live in between Siret and Prut well, lived most my life. There's a village called Cucuteni in Romania, didn't really go anywhere
If folk settled there so long ago in such numbers it must be a beautiful area, when they had such choice.
@@BenLlywelynit's not about "nice but being between rivers and in a forest area, at that time, they probably had all the survive necessary stuff.
Just my personal opinion.... I cook everything from scratch. We're a Navy family and move every two/four years. I hate cooking in another womens kitchen. So, my husband (he's an Engineer) rips out the old kitchens and rebuilds them. I can see these ancient women starting their own families and wanting to have a new house. Burning the old home would be symbolic.... Out with the Old... In with the New.
Great Channel. 😊
Great to include cooking in this. Nice.
People used to burn their houses in Catalhoyuk in central Turkey too, rather earlier - surely there is some kind of link here?
Could be, Keith.
Jako lijepi video!🤩👍
Fantastic
What if their burnings were more practical. Is it possible they knew that burnt land comes back to life extremely well. Is it possible they burnt the land to reinvigorate it but knew they had no way to save their homes?
You need to understand that Pre Cucuteni proto Europeans appeared in the east Carpathians and gradually expanded east to Dnieper, as an offshoot of Cris Koros Transylvanian Neolithic, and mixed with Gumelnitza from the south and the steppe EHG from north Black sea. Genetically they were mostly G2a, I2a, J2b. G2a were Neolithic farmers from Anatolia, I2 is still over 40% in Romania today, while J2b in eastern Europe is specific to the Vlachs. Bessarab founders were J2b as well and most of those found with Basarab name, even from west Ukraine are also J2b hg.
Notice that J2b, originated in south Caucasus, also came during Cooper and Bronze age along R1b L23 as Proto Indo Europeans. L23 originated either in south Caucaus or east Caspian and is represented specifically by the speakers of Proto Anatolian, Proto Thracians and Proto Celto - Italics. East branch Z2103 spread first with the Proto Anatolian speakers more than 5000 years ago, then with the Proto Thracians 4400 - 4000 years ago, while the west branch L55 developed into Proto Celts and Italic speakers, 3800 - 3200 years ago.
Today most west Indo Europeans evolved from R1b L55, but the highest east R1b L23 in eastern Europe is found with the Vlachs of Balkans, over 36 % in Pindus mountains and the mountain Transylvanian Romanians, over 30% in Maramures, Bihor, Arad, Alba counties, Apuseni mountains in general, former Dacian strongholds.
As for the highest I2a beyond Cucuteni, need to notice an overlap of two former Vlach people on the Adriatic coast, assimilated in time into Croatians,. Bosnians and Serbs. The former Mauro / North Vlachs, known short as Morlachs, of the Dinaric mountains and Dalmatia, who also gave the name of Monte Negro - Black mountain, of the former Vlach people, Serbianized in time. 13-14 century former republic of Ragusa was still 70% Vlach while its founder and savior was saint Blasius. Dalmatian language was a mix of Friuli west Romance like and east Romanian spelled, with an input of north west Romanian. That says it all about the history of this transition Romance language and its former Illyrian Getae mix.
So now you also have the answer to your many guess works about the Geto - Dacian and Vlach people origin and their real connection with the people around, the Italics and the Celts, separated at north of Black sea or around the Carpathians, about 4-5,000 years ago.
source? books? papers?
@@astatinitehelmet do you want me to lecture in the comments section on youtube, 30 years of multidisciplinary studies?
@@ares1634 Vlachs > Morlachs > Mortlach distillery belongs to Moldovans... ??? PROFIT!!!
Here in Romania, I was at an archeological site on a big hill. I was told, they had an oval shaped village with palisade, tower and gate ,burned down and a female and 1-2 infant skeletons at the gate.
Infant skeletons. Creepy.
I have a theory that maybe they burned down the houses for ancestors so that the ancestors would have their own home in the afterlife (a house they lived in) and this female totem could be some kind of guide that helped these ancestral spirits find their home in the afterlife. And maybe these ancestors were "happy" when their descendants sending them a house. They favored the living, gave them prosperity. Maybe when things were bad, they sent these houses more often, and maybe to burn them and send them to the afterlife, it had to be a specific time of the year or specific conditions
Possible.
The area around Piatra Neamț is one of the oldest inhabited areas in Romania. The oldest traces of human civilisation in the present territory date back to the higher Paleolithic, about 100,000 years BCE. The Cucuteni culture, whose development lasted approximately one thousand years (c. 3600-2600 BCE) was attested in the territory of Neamţ county by a remarkable number of settlements (approx. 150), archaeological diggings unearthing important museum collections of Aeneolithic artifacts. Archaeologists have also discovered objects here dating back to the Neolithic Period and the Bronze Age (about 1900-1700 BCE).
Excavations just outside the city revealed the ruins of a large Dacian city, Petrodava, mentioned by Greek geographer Ptolemy in the 2nd century. The whole compound had its heyday between the first century BCE and the first century CE. Standing out is the citadel at Bâtca Doamnei which contains shrines resembling those identified in the Orăștie Mountains. As far as the existence of a local leader is concerned, historians tend to suggest the identification of the Kingdom of Dicomes in the very political centre at Petrodava. The complex of strongholds without peer in Moldavia and Wallachia is evidence as to a powerful political and military centre both in Burebista’s time and in the period that preceded the reign of Decebalus... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piatra_Neam%C8%9B
What about a short video on Dicomes sometime?
In the Cucuteni museum in Romania they say they use to burn the house when the owner of the house died
Hello, my friend, excellent idea for a video as always. I have been intensively researching the phenomenon of migrations and the burning of habitats in the Neolithic and have come to one very obvious conclusion. People in Neolithic Europe burned their settlements and moved the moment a serious disease entered the habitat. The disease was likely brought by mice and rats, and anyone who has lived in the countryside knows they are always present where there are grains. At that time, an additional factor was that they didn’t have cats to reduce the rodent population. The cat is the animal that enabled the development of civilization by destroying rodents.
Why did they move just 200 metres away?
3:20 largest settlemnt in the world, not just europe.
Oh how much I love this kind of content. Thank you.
I wasn't aware of this culture. Are they contemporaries with the Anatolian farmers that migrated to Europe?
Anyway, thank you. I loved this video and it blew my mind.
P.D. No sprinkles this time? You could say that their decadence went off with a sprinkle of Indo-European.
Romania has sprinkles of them today.
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Multumesc!
Fascinating
Great video. Are westerners aware of such history which countinued till today?
Romania is distant and vague to most further West.
I thought so.
Thank you very much for your interesting video and your support of Ukraine in our fight against moskovia.
You are welcome.
It may have been something as simple as the houses were only built to last for one or two generations. And it was easier to burn them down and rebuild. Than it was to keep rebuilding the same old house, or to disassemble it.
They did not burn their buildings deliberately, 60 to 40 years ago when archaeology in the area was still well funded only the traces of burned buildings were considered "buildings", the rest of the dirt was regarded as filler, but one of the archaeologists I worked with in the early 90s got into a fight with his boss over it, and attempted to settle the issue by putting a bit of the "filler" in a fire and showed that it turned into the same material as the "burned building". Of course it did not persuade the older archaeologist.
Maybe the older archaeologist had more experience?
@@BenLlywelyn not really, because the younger ones rested on their shoulders ;-)
... and digging by deposition layer instead of digging by depth (such as 10 cm at a time etc.) shows the unburned floors, postholes, ditches etc. where the older technique showed "filler"
Maybe they burned their houses during epidemics or infestations, because they thought/understood that the pathogens/pests/parasites lingered in them.
I'm from Piatra Neamț and I've seen the Cucuteni museum a few times, so obviously I'm exceptionally qualified to speak on this subject, and I'm saying that even though I'm the most humble person I know.
But seriously now, some of the very old houses still standing around the vilages here, are built of wood, clay, straw and manure. Prone to being infested by all kinds of animals and insects, as well as having a fairly short lifespan regarding their structural integrity.
The way I see these things, for the older civilizations, is that they would have been very pragmatic people. I'm fairly convinced that the houses were burned with the scope of clearing the pests and "bad things" that bring spoiled food and disease. And because of the nature of the materials, it would be a lot more practical to just rebuild, fresh and strong, than to keep patching weakened materials.
Pest before metal tools must have been horrible.
Yes, I would conclude that these huts were built out of organic material which, after several decades, were just crumbling husks of mold and mildew. Burning them was just an expected part of the cycle. Quite interesting.
What about the women carvings they put underneath these burnings?
Well, it doesn’t mean that a functional procedure can’t be accompanied by a ritual good-bye… 😉
You should replace this map, because the culture is present also in Transylvania. Here, its name is Erősd/Ariușd, in Szeklerland. The northest point of we know is Marosvásárhely/Neumarkt/Târgu-Mureș. That settlement was excavated by my colleagues: Sándor Berecki and Sándor József Sztáncsuj. The culture started here and in Moldova of Romania, although, there are some stylistical differences between the two territories/facieses, then, it spread to Moldavia and Ukraine. Its birth was influenced by the Petrești culture. It seems to me, that you are counting also the Precucuteni culture to the Trypillia, thatswhy are you speaking about 5200 BC.
A simple explanation for the house burning could be that it was just easier than repairing an old house. Considering that their earth contact construction methods would lead to eventual failure of load bearing elements such as posts. I can see them trying to repair such damage and after doing so in the standard fashion (much shouting and cursing, etc); one individual sarcastically says "it would have been easier if we just rebuilt the dang thing!" And, indeed the next time was much easier.
Why were the figurines underneath?
@@BenLlywelyn Why put a coin under a cornerstone?
Fire Could symbolise maybe purification and it’s a type of a ritual,so like water =baptise the fire=purifying
Thank you for this lovely work like always I’ve learned a lot from you ❤❤❤
Purification, interesting. Thank you, glad you enjoy the work!
Fascinating that this area was mixed and almost produced cities. Large villages that could be called town lacking the authorative direction. Let's consider how this lack of tamed aggression may have been the result of the same action that created the 'tame' cattle and 'tame' horses.
We now know that the boars in Chernobyl have radioactivity from past 'air testing. Could our 'tameness' in the gain and animals be due to a cosmic burst of radioactivity?
Maybe a comic thirst for radioactivity?
Ancient people probably had termite and roach problems, that we in the west have gotten rid of mostly. That's my theory for why they burned their houses.
In a far more recent example, the Mayan rebuilt their pyramids (especially) on something like a 70-year cycle, putting a new pyramid on top of the old pyramid, so there'd be a fresh new ceremonial space. I was fortunate enough to have been able to go up inside the Castillo in Chichen Itza in the Yucatan, back before they banned access to that. You are, in a rather tight "tunnel", able to climb the previous pyramids stairs up to the previous ritual space, which still has a rather magnificent jaguar altar in it. Perhaps both of these cultures had connected with a similar time concept. I also recall hearing that the citizens of Teotihuacan, every X number of years, brought out all their ceramics and smashed them on the main causeway through the city ... If you get down in front of the various level changing steps on this road, you can still see shards of painted pottery embedded in the dirt. Obviously, some ritual calendar cycle was operating there as well.
A great trip to have done. Hope I get to see the Yucatan someday.
Hi Ben. Just want to add another perspective.
What we consider "vanished" nowadays might have a different meaning for highly spiritually advanced cultures.
Maybe when we say Cucuteni people "vanished" , Mayans "vanished" , Shambala "vanished" it's in fact "advanced " / "rise" to another "spiritual" dimension maybe. The technical advancements from Bronze Age also brought many wars and a hunger to feed the ego, diminishing the spiritual frequency of people and maybe because of that the gap was too high and we cut connections with the "higher" dimension.
Higher dimension sounds quite gnostic.
Bravo! You have a good approach. Your only mistake is to suppose that they "advanced" when we can see today more and more that all next to that times was decadent. The new culture spread destroyed the old one and came with war/conflict, owning, money business, slavery..... And this is what we are calling today "judeo-Christian" culture.
Thank you Ben for another fascinating episode. I can hardly pronounce "Cucuteni" without breaking my tongue, but I can keep saying ''Trypillia" for hours. Trypillia could be roughly translated into English as the three fields -- just a fun fact. In Ukraine, Trypillia culture is well known and to a certain extent celebrated. At the end of the '90s, there were some pseudo-archeologists and pseudo-historians who tried to prove that Ukrainians were the descendants of the Tripollians. Their works were the source of many jokes at that time. The Trypillian pottery is amazing. It's worth seeing it with your own eyes.
Thank you. I hope I get a chance to see this pottery myself someday. Three in Ukrainian is very Indo-European.
@@BenLlywelyn And 'field' is also very Indo-European. Поле [pole] the sound 'e' like in the word energy, from palam, palam is Latin for open -- if I'm not mistaken. In the Western Ukrainian dialect, there is the word полонина [polonyna], kind of mountain meadow. In Polish, there are also very similar words. Quite away from the English 'field', but probably from the same root, so to speak.
If you get the chance, can you please make a video about grammatical case. Im having a hard time wrapping my head around it.
In which language? There are different kinds of case systems.
Burning their villages must have been related to attempting purification, which was common in ancient societies.The female statuettes that were burnt were made to look ugly intentionally in my opinion compared to the rest of their pottery.
Maybe they were more beautiful before fire and 6000 years ago.
Thank you for your reply. The rest of their pottery is also 6,000 years old. The female figurines were deformed before the burning: no hands, cut out legs, hollowed out, despaired looking. The civilisation that made them also burned them.
I have passed the link on to someone whose expertise includes matters that are relevant to neolithic cultures generally. I do not know if she will have time to watch the video or give a thoughtful response, but it's worth hoping.
Nice you. Thank you.
Maybe they burned their dead together with the house, Indo Europeans habit? In India they still cremate their dead. Vikings burned their dead in the boats, with the boats.... just speculating😊
More looking at would be done with soils to find bone fragments?
IF they burned their own towns, it may have been to fight off the Indoeuropean Plague (bubonic). In any case the country has never been the same since the Indoeuropeans conquered it.
They didn't "just vanish": they were conquered by the Indoeuropeans and persisted in Romanian Moldova into the Bronze Age (Foltesti culture).
Can you imagine that they would be unable to pronounce Trypillia?, that "tr" (or similar "kr", "tl", etc.) segment is absolutely cacophonic for Vasconic, it would have been rendered something like /tiripili/. 😆
It looks more like a slow cultural shift than conquest.
@@BenLlywelyn - Not at all. It's true that for the most part the Indoeuropeans went around them (they probably had some quite mighty defensive militias) into the more wealthy Eastern Balcans and towards a mixed culture area in Kiev (and then into Poland and beyond) and that in one specific and smallish in the lower Dniestr, there was a mixed transitional culture (Usatovo culture), but mostly, as you said, they "vanished" and civilizations like that do not "vanish" without a reason. They were surely looted and destroyed and pushed to their last Bronze Age stand in Romanian Moldavia (Foltesti culture), which would be later conquered anyhow (unsure about the details but they were surrounded by Dacians and such, scary people.
2000 years is the extent of the modern ( ?) civilization . So they had all our time to be everywhere and fade to the shadows.
2000 years is a long time.
It is indeed. It seems humans never had in the known history a peaceful civilization to be that stable and last that long.Whst is we don't know or see? The following 2000 years after Cucuteni there is not much evidence of technology advancement.e . Except im war tools, but at the same time they were just bigger and variations of what it appears those people knew how to make already.
Unless we count the culture of war and violence 😢
Maybe the origin of the phoenix myth?
It is about renewal isn't it?
@@BenLlywelyn It is.
Could the burn/build cycle be tied to solar eclipses? The rebuilding on the same place suggests the houses are "reborn" to my modern mind.
We would have to go back and calculate the solar eclipses and then work out through burnings when these were to be sure, but I do think the burnings are too frequent and regular in terms of intervals for eclipses.
Where is this 2:25?
A 5,000 year old bowl.
@@BenLlywelyn Sorry, a couple of seconds later, that view, those hills.
*Polovragi.*
@@popacristian2056 Nice cave.
@@BenLlywelyn Yes! And the landscape at *Polovragi* is similar, but I think this 2:27 is from the *CheileTurzii.*
My mistake.
Northwest American Indians had a tradition of periodic house burning. It is unrelated but it is a documented anthropological cultural example of ritual house burning. Clues based on human psychology and analytical comparison might be useful if only slightly. Also, Yangshao as mentioned by another commenter in China. Although an immense long shot, multiple crossing in America as recently as 800 years ago (Tule Inuit arrived from Siberia in the Middle Ages and supplanted the Dorset), maybe there is a connection, (highly unlikely) between Yangshao and Pacific Northwest American Indian culture. Just another area of analytical comparison that could be made.
It would be interesting to compare.
@@BenLlywelyn There is an encyclopedia I have which discussed the burning of houses after Potluch ceremony in the Pacific Northwest as well.
Cucuteni Trypillias are anatolian farmers.
History of anatolian farmers.
Natufian wf16 10 000 bc
Gobekli Tepe 9 000 bc
Chatal Hoyuk 8 000bc
Lepenski Vir 3 fase 7 000bc
Starcevo,Coros,kris 6200bc
Vinca Turdos 5 500bc
Cucuteni Trypillian 5 500bc
Long history.
Cucuteni, Vinca are anatolian farmers mixed with the native thracians (the DNA shows this).
Lepenski vir, Gobekli Tepe and these super old coultures are not anatolian farmers with haplogroup G2a but thracians with I2a and R1b.
Anatolian farmers got 6000 years ago in Europe while Lepenski Vir, Gobekli Tepe, are 12 000 years old.
Pottery seems to have been central to their culture.
What if there's a link between that and the ritual burning of their homes?
What if they fired large batches of pottery in those ritual burnings of their homes?
Seems an ineffficient way to make pottery?
@@BenLlywelyn I'm just brainstorming. Rituals often make little of "efficiency".
I just find it interesting that they produced so much beautiful pottery, which need to be fired, and that they seem to have ritually fired their homes as well.
Both traditions might, or might not, be culturally connected somehow. 😊
hi there wood do not lasts with straw roofing so they moved to west and start building in stone....
After 2500 years.
Nope we are still here❤
2:15 is a map with only Ukrainian settlement. Is missing all Romanian settelment.
Yes.
I'll never learn anything from this channel. The voice and music instantly puts me to sleep lol.
Pure skill.
great piece ben thanks, i must add a a small opinion tho, [ ive knowledge of this for sure so it is personal opinion]
If you live in a house , made of timber and thatch, maybewattle mud walls, ... and 80 yrs have elapsed, , thats potntially 2 sets of Gparents dead one could have built it] AND 80yrs of residents in the walls in the roof, in yr clothes,...DAM straiaght they purified it every now an again , , despite the ongoing obvious repairs list that wpulld be come an everincreaasing task
Yes, 80 years could make it gross. Wooden houses in Norway are lived in for 100s of years though, so who knows. Thank you.
Is this guy using one of his Dungeons and Dragons character's vioce and accent?
Skills.
Maybe for some kind of energy cleansing/reset every couple of years. I wouldn't call that inconceivable, I just don't know anyone who can afford that.
Very expensive!
Oh, here they are again.
0:58 don’t worry about them.
I was nice.
Perhaps as simple as that is how long it took for their houses to become decrepid.
At 60 to 80 year cycles for 2000 years? I think there is more to it than wear and tear.