Did Noah's Flood Actually Happen? with Dr. Ali Ataie
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- According to Biblical and Quranic narratives, the flood of Noah was a flood unlike no other. Rain descended in mass from the sky and from the earth and the world was flooded in entirety. It destroyed everything in its path, leaving behind no survivor but a few. But did the Flood really happen or is it simply folklore?
In this podcast, we are joined by Dr. Ali Ataie, professor of comparative religion, to discuss the historical, archeological, testimonial and scientific proofs behind why the flood of Noah existed without a doubt.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:58 Faith is Fortified by Knowledge
3:30 The Flood in the Genesis
8:50 The Flood in the Quran
15:54 Ark of Noah
18:26 Epic of Gilgamesh & Narrative of the Flood in the Bible
22:35 Transmission of Events
25:09 What does Mutawatir Mean?
30:40 Dealing with Critics of the Flood Narrative
45:44 Lessons from the Flood
53:19 What People was Noah sent to?
58:47 The Flood in Hindu Scripture
1:04:57 Deviating from Religion
1:08:04 Islam is an Evidence Based religion
1:18:16 Final Thoughts
1:22:58 Conclusion
Awesome!
Greetings to you brother Paul. May Allah reward you by remaining upright and feeling content.
You were mentioned Paul as an upcoming podcast with Dr Atai looking forward to it
Excellent podcast, informative and great questions brother.
Dr Ataie is a gem!
Dear Paul, Assalamu alaikum, Hope you are doing fine. One thing is pretty common between you and me, fondness for Dr. Ali Ataie's lectures, I Guess!
Assalamo alaikom brother paul wa rahmatu allah wa barakatuh
Dr. Ali Ataie is always such a pleasure to listen to, very glad you reached out to him for this!
didn't expect you to be here
Wtf, Most certainly did not expect to see you here
An individual at Dr Ali’s level should just be allowed to talk. His mind is a bank of knowledge and interruptions don’t help.
It'd be a bit weird if the host just didn't say a word at all after the introductions.
well i actually thought the questions asked by the young man were pretty significant, well to be fair im not fully done watching im talking about so-far 😅
The topic itself is fascinating, I just wish there were less digressions. Dr. Atae is a wealth of knowledge and can easily speak for hours on end without any prompt.
100 percent agree
😂😂😂 he is talking by his self show the PROFF where he get his opinion story . See he say like something like that 😂😂😂 he is not sure what he is talking about.
@@markbiaco9555 he has the right to his opinions. When you spend as much time studying theology and mastering multiple languages and teaching at a high level across multiple academies, you are entitled to an opinion. Otherwise what good is knowledge?
@@Tskyn talk with out references talking his own story. He never investigate the Noah arc are already found and the bible written is true . 😂😂😂 Story telling but not in history.
Just stumbled upon this video and it turned out to be an amazing podcast! The questions you asked were very interesting and thought-provoking. MashaAllah, great job my dear brother! Dr. Ali as always enlightened us with his knowledge and wisdom. Thanks for this to both of you.
Great episode! I think it would help if the guest could speak at length without any questions that interrupt his train of thought. I’ll watch this again soon bcus it’s chock full of info!
pearls of knowdlege . dr Atai is unique in relating classical normative with the modern paradigmes
Important to note: Akhenaten wanted to go BACK to monotheism that existed in Egypt thousands of years before him. Of course we as Muslims believe that all religion goes back to monotheism.
I'm sorry I am trying to understand your comment. Don't Muslims consider Christianity as polytheistic? I do too btw. So wouldn't that mean all religions don't go back to monotheism?
@@pavld335 we don’t mean that every religion goes back to monotheism. But that the origin of religion as a general across civilisations is monotheistic. For example, some of the the native indigenous American religions bare striking similarities to Islamic belief. On a side note Christianity does have monotheistic origin because Jesus taught monotheism and essentially preached an updated version of the religion of the Torah for his people. But yes, Christianity itself as it exists today IS polytheistic.
@@pavld335 Jesus peace be upon him was a monotheist
Not all _religions_ go back to polytheism, because some could've simply invented one from scratch
However, old religions, most likely have had monotheistic roots, for example many/most polytheistic religions have a supreme Deity. From the Islamic paradigm, humanity has been receiving guidance from God since the beginning, and Satan has since then tried to make people worship something else besides God, for shirk is the worst of sins. So people started worshipping and putting intermediaries between them and this Supreme Deity.
Quran 39:3
Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors besides Him [say], "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah will judge between them concerning that over which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide he who is a liar and [confirmed] disbeliever.
Many strands of Hinduism say that there's only One God, but in multiple forms / god divided himself.
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]
The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:
"Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan"
"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."
Some knowledge could be from the prophets or messengers sent to that region, passed down but distorted heavily.
Quran 16:36
And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers.
footnote: taghut = False objects of worship.
We find heaven and hell concepts in various civilizations, which aren't that much connected to each other, for ex. (Norse mythology, Greek mythology, etc. ) And other concepts.
Islam isn't perennialist though. (The perennial philosophy, also referred to as perennialism and perennial wisdom, is a perspective in philosophy and spirituality that views all of the world's religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine has grown.)
The religion of all the prophets and messengers is one, Submission to God alone (Islam).
Quran 23:51-52
[Allah said], "O messengers, eat from the good foods and work righteousness. Indeed, I, of what you do, am Knowing.
And indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so fear Me."
@@randomcommenter8626 Same with ancient Middle Eastern religions or the amazing teachings of Taoism (e.g., by Lao Tze). As you said, Muslims who read Qur'an should be able to recognize the possibility of Divine origins before Satan managed to steer followers of those religions away from the "straight path to the One, Single Creator of all worlds"
Well explained, thanks brother. God bless you! (بارك الله فيك)
How do you know he wanted to go back to monotheism?
great discussion. some feedback: if the interviewer can refrain from using his computer whilst the interviewed is talking - thatd be great. Also if he can limit inputs that don't really contribute much to the discussion
Dr. Ali has such a vast knowledge...
Excellent podcast, informative and great questions brother.
Dr Ataie is a gem!
Alhamdullillah
I feel recovered
Felt like somebody doing spells on me
I feel relieved
Most underrated speaker Dr Ali Ataie MashaaaaAllah a true intellectual champion.⚔️🏆⚔️
Agree with you
May Allah ﷻ reward you for your efforts. Ameen!
Ameen.
awesome episode!
I had been wondering about this topic since a long time.. thank you so much brother to have a discussion on this topic.
Very informative 👍
This was just fantastic!!!👏
Akhi assalamu alaikum, have you read about "younger dryas"?
Now days many scholars are talking about it and relating the flood narrative to this era. It is absolutely fascinating.
Excellent episode.
Could you please provide specifics about the book you referenced talking concerning Charles Hill-Tout investigation of the First Nations?!
First Nations of British Columbia, Third Edition by Robert Muckle
@@TheCreativeMinority Thank you for your response. Highly Appreciated. Keep up the good work 👍
5:50 ahhhhhh so he's Farsi!! I've always wanted to know 💚
hey Dr ali altaie .. well You put your foot always in a sandy ground .. u are quite intelligent on linking the dots mashalah .. just make sure of the dots are solid first so u Can walk on them without falling .. just one small example joudi was not in turkey .. so if u make a whole theory basing on it it will fall sadly !
Both recitations "Malik" = King and "Maalik" = Owner are correct.
This is more aqaid discussion however the Events of Nuh is delicious when it comes extracting logical conclusion with regards to two things: "was the flood of Nuh global?" & "was Nuh the second father of all humanity?"
The second question is more difficult but the first it's easy to come to a more authentic, revised opinion.
I think second is more easy to answer. We have ample evidence that there were people living in the regions far away from the flood. Indus vally or mayan . So he was not the 2nd father of the humanity , i guess , wallahu alam.
@@justsaying444 it is possible that the Black Sea food was an incident after Nuh alayhissalam. My guess is Nuh alayhissalam lived during the ice age & so did Adam alayhissalam. Perhaps Aad as well.
This is why humans have existed in America, they were part of one community then they migrated and settled before the Bering Bridge melted.
How to reach Dr Ali Ataie
Amazing spiritual jzk
54:10
I find it very interesting that the name *Manu* actually sounds like the Arabic name *Nuh.*
*Manuh.*
MashaaaaAllah
Great observation
The host seems to have heard Allama Syed Abdullah Tariq and his take on Nuh(as) 's people to be current day followers of Hinduism. Tariq Abdullah even quoted Qur'an to explain that the Sabians mentioned in Qur'an refers to current day followers of Hinduism. He showed the flood being mentioned in Vedas and Puranas and Manu of yhay age being Nuh(as).. Manu takes different names in different eras as per Hinduism
It's an extremely interesting research.
Very interesting what a clever man
Bros Dr.Ataie and Ahmed, Muslims should worry less today and only re-double our efforts in da'wah to both Muslims and non-Muslims. From the year 2000 to the present, more non- Muslims have positively understood Islam than before. Thank God(Allah) for our vigorous da'wah after 911 and especially those that targeted misperceptions/míconceptions about Islam. Informing non-Muslims that the word Allah simply means God was an astronomical game changer that also benefited Muslims who only used the word Allah for The Creator. The translation of the first part of the Shahada(La ilaha ila Allah) as No god but God was the icing on the cake for Muslims and the last nail in the coffin for Islamophobes. Unfortunately, most Muslims have not warmed up to these new ideas and some are totally opposed to them. For non- Muslim English speaking folks, ít's as clear as daylight. The situation was further marred by plagiarism of "No god but God" by Plagiarist Reza Aslan and Random House(now Penguin Random House) who turned it into an anti-Islamic garbage. Despite their malicious eforts, No god but God(La ilaha ila Allah) will continue to be uttered every time a non- Muslim reverts to Islam till the Day of Judgement. No room for despair, we have NEVER had such an opportunity where all human-beings can with conviction know that God(Allah) is One(as in One in One) for all creation and that He's The One Trinitarian Christians mistakenly call " The Father of Jesus".
Salaam Alaikum
Can you get him back on to talk about the Injeel please? What was the nature of this revelation or scripture and does it have any relation to the four gospels? What was the authentic Gospel? Were there remnants of the Injeel at the time of the Prophet Muhammad for example Khadijahs cousin Warraqa was a Christian and recognised the Prophet Muhammad as a true prophet. Also can you do another episode on the Exodus please?
Aisha also said: "The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqah bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospel in Arabic. Waraqah asked (the Prophet), 'What do you see?' When he told him, Waraqah said, 'That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly.'"
Can you please cite the paper about Prophet Nuh peace be upon him being a prophet of the hindus?
Wow!?
[29:57/1:23:56] according to Dr.Ali Ataie the Al-Fatiha is repeated thirty-two thousand [32,000] times throughout fifteen[15]years during the time of Prophet Muhammad.
The ubiquity of flood myths in all parts of the world is a testimony FOR the truth of the historical event, which was the global flood of Noah, as told in Genesis.
If you have a group of individuals saved in a big boat, and from those families descend all the tribes and families of the earth since that deluge, then it logically follows that, even as time passes and stories change, you'd see the germs of a common true event that happened in the common ancestors' lives.
A comet hit earth 13000 years creating a world wide. It's undeniable. It does put the mission of Prophet Nuh PBUH at a much earlier date than most scholars believe he lived in and necessitates reconsidering classical prophetic genealogy. As a matter of fact , having 140 000 prophets necessitates considering the birth of Adam and Hawa PBUH as being longer than usually thought.
Before the battle of Badr, 82 Muslim's from makha immigrating to Medina
There is a man called Graham Hancock who had a theory that in 9.000 BC there was a meteorite that hit the area of Greenland, and had a massive impact on the earth, ending the big ice age, waporizing a lot of water, causing it to rain down again at massive amounts, impacting the ecology of the whole world, causing cities on coastlines to go underwater.
He was proven right 20 years later when the crater was found deep under the ice. The age of the crater and the massive climate changes are the same (11.000 years before now). Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson believe that there was a great civilization before that meteor which Aristotales mentions as the Atlantis (story dates to the same era too). Theory is that some people from that civilization, migrated to the are of Gobeklitepe in Turkiye (Mesopotamia), and they had the knowlede of agriculture and architecture, that's why there was a fast shift here from hunting and gathering to agriculture. Human civilization goes way back, thats for sure, and sphinx is dated to much earlier because there is sign of water erosion, which wasn't possible later on.
Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson also believe that the flood of Noah was later, around 5.000 bc, in the area of India I think. (But I don't see why it couldn't be the earlier one)
They think that we shouldn't become arrogant like those ancient civilizations did, which is a good conclusion. But unfortunately, their other conclusion to all this is that we should defend the earth from meteors, and that's not a good conclusion and lesson to get from it. As muslims we know we can't escape death or the day of judgement. And God "stones" the devils on earth when it's out of control, like he did with dinosaurs and ancient human civilizations.
Great post
The 57 minute mark speaks about Hindus having similar names to old TESTAMENT names.
They is a historical reference to JESUS'S DISCIPLES LED BY BARTHOLOMEW THAT WENT TO "KASHMIR ", WITH THE MESSAGE OF A PROPHET TO COME AND HIS NAME WOULD BE MUHAMMAD. SO WHEN AHMAD DEEDAT, & ZAKIR NAIG SPEAK OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD BEING PROPHESIED IN HINDU SCRIPTURE IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
THIS ALSO LENDS TO THE STORY OF JESUS NOT BEING CRUCIFIED BUT GOING TO INDIA.IT WAS HIS DISCIPLES NOT HIM.N.B.THE PROPHET DAVID TOLD US THAT JESUS WASN'T CRUCIFIED.
Why are they calling on Maulana , instead of Allah?
Podcast da'ie (in fact all da'ie) must avoid themselves from being on ego trip when they impart the Qur'an and the AsSunnah to fellow Muslims, novices and the People of the Book (including those who possess sacred scriptures).
InnSya Allahh we'll be guided. Aameeeen.
Assalamu alaykum, how old are you, which institution have you studied & under which mashaïkh? it reflects, & you seem very a wise person to be around
*i.T.* is moving so _fast_
Everyone *is*
_Losing Track_ of *Time*
" Click "
*How long does " i.T. " take*
[These days] seem " Lighter "
[Days passing] in " seconds "
*To start a fire* 🔥 *these "days"*
12thousand years ago there was a massive flood due to a meteorite - this is called Younger Drias theory.
You should change the heading.flood happened according g to Quran. We shouldn't question the validity.but we can question how it happened
Not questioning the validity of something is what leads to a cult.
Only 2 Universal Prophets were sent 2 Mankind.... The 1st and the Last. In between these 2, Prophets were sent to each specific QAWM.... Including Noah*P's QAWM (Kinfolk)..... Yaa Qawmi.... is the common address! Never the Muhammadan Address "Yaa Ayuhan Naas"!
I think people need to talk about younger dryas impact, there was a flood on a global scale. This is Noah’s flood. 😊 Noah’s people were a globalized nation and that’s why he took so long to preach to them. Over 900 years he travelled the nation to preach to his people.
Maybe the flood was a result of huge shifts in tectonic plates eventually leading to a separation of land masses. Survivals then carried the story down through generations. Allah knows best
❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹
*Upon*
*Him*
*Be*
*Peace*
*Moses, was "also raised"*
*I n*
*T h e* '
*H o u s e* ' ' '
*Of* P h a r a o h '
*The T y r a n t King*
*By the Will of Allah Most High*
*He did not remain therein*
We are told that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Is that true? What you need to establish is: Who/What is GOD? So the question is: Describe GOD? No Names! No attributes! No miracles! No History! What HE has or hasn't done! Can or can't do! Will or won't do! Using the Quran and the Bible only write down the title, chapter and verse only. No text. No Explanations. No commentaries! Describe GOD? e.g. John ??:??, Sura ??:?? Et al. For more than twenty five years I have asked this question with no response. Why won’t a Muslim respond?
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The unknown author of the flood story did not know that a wooden vessel 440 feet long will leak without a seamless steel hull and bilge pumps.
These materials were not available to Noah and his family.
God in the Quran does not state the size of the vessel.
53:40 nouh is send to makkah the flood hapened there and the joudi is mount sinai in jerusalem ! look it up ! just one small argument .. wod souwaa yaghouth yaouk nasra are all arab pagan god worshiped in makkah ! atanour is zamzam ! and the valley that flooded is the makAn valey !
Now why would you have removed my last two comments which come from fact which can be used to expose the enemies of ISLAM?.
Of course it did... its the black sea
No. There you go...
The 15 cubit mentioned in Genesis is so exact that I thought: what if this survived unchanged? But where? At a place where all the land once flooded: if this was a huge valley that flooded and there are no tall mountains around it, than it is possible that if one floated in the middle of it you would see nothing but water ... as if the whole world had drowned (that is because the earth is round!). There is such a place, with a central mountain that could also have flooded by something like 8 meters, and next the water broke through a natural dam, ending the flood. But than this would have been in Egypt, where the water and sediments (!) flowing out of this mega lake near Assioet) resulted in the fan shaped different color that ends in the Qatarra Depression. Check it yourself with the ASTER D.E.M.! So I think it could really have happend because of the 15 cubit ...
This a very strange commentary, Quran is being judged thru previous corrupted text. Totally appeasement piece
around 18.50
host shoudve been more proffesional
Creativity Minority seems to be advocating syncretism of Emperor Akbar and Dara Shikoh. Such Sufi reaching has damaged Islam. How can polytheism of Hinduism and its shirk have anything to do with strict monotheism of Islam?
Hindu Brahma is part of the material universe, a pantheist paradigm, not the concept of God in Islam. They also believe awatars, or the incarnation of god in humans and other objects. It is the complete opposite of Islam. The issue of reincarnation and the caste system based on reincarnation. Of course it is unjust and has created the most unequal and misogynist society.
Problem with Sufism is made manifest by the host and how different it is from Islam in the Qur’an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saww).
lol 🤣 Noah s flood is a good copy of epic gaglash religion the great flood ⛵🌊 Noah s flood is myth but evolution is true and correct 💯😹 proud to be an aethist 💪😎
Laughing like a fool. Sad. It's now an established fact that a world wide flood occured 12900 years ago.
@@karimb972 it's myth bro bsx there is not enough water 🌊 on earth 🌎 for world wide flood Qur'an s biggest mistake is Qur'an says water of flood too much that's 🌊 mountains drowning in flood it's unscientific mistake that flood never can drown mountain 🏔️
@@ranjodhrai5028 No brother, the flood only happened where were the human lived during that time . Not whole world.
@@rusdhyjunaid7766 where that story copy it's Story of epic of gaglamesh then Jewish wrote in Torah then Bible at end Qur'an ....... Flood on whole earth 🌎 it's mentioned in Genesis where Qur'an do copy
Imagine believing such nonsense to be true!
No it didn't happen. It's just such a silly thing to believe.
It has happened.
@@biochemistryiseasy no it didn't 9 people didn't round up two of every animals on the planet.
@@pavld335 who said they where only 9 people .By the way we don't know how big that boat was .And for God it is not impossible,nothing is impossible for Him .
@@biochemistryiseasy How many people rounded up every animal on the planet?
@@pavld335
Lol. The biblr says the whole world is flooded.
The quran did not say the whole world was flooded. It was local.