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  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Thanks! I'm just trying to share the things I've learned, and I'm glad you like the content!

  • @daniel_lisbona
    @daniel_lisbona 8 років тому +7

    I miss these times

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    I'm glad I could help! (Thanks for suggesting the mic episode, Kalvin!)

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Yeah, that's doable. The first shoot I did with the H4n was an interview, and I aimed the H4n between the interviewer and interviewee, so each stereo mic pointed at one person. It worked well! It's more omnidirectional than a shotgun mic, so a little more background noise, but they're good mics.

  • @brianherzog
    @brianherzog 12 років тому

    I'M NOVICE, but something I learned from shooting my last video, was to have numerous audio sources. We had a shotgun, and two stereo mic's hidden. This enabled us to get a decent end product for post. Also, this was the best tutorial video I have seen in a while, and people watch films for the film look, so PJ can get over himself. Thanks.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Thanks for the request! I'm not prepared to do an awesome video on green screens right away, but I'll keep that in mind down the road.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    The T3i is a popular DSLR choice in that price range. And the DR-40 is a cheaper, but good alternative to the H4n. You can check out my gear list if you're interested: griffinhammond (dot) com/inventory
    Even if you have lots of money, I'd stay frugal, learn on low-end equipment, then decide what you're missing.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    As long as you play the audio track live during the shoot, you shoot be able to sync it up the same way illustrated in this video. Maybe add a beep to the beginning of the audio track, so every time you repeat the song, you'll have a reference point to sync it up. Any video editor that allow multiple video and audio tracks will work for a project like this.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    When I was in film school, I seem to remember learning that early sound films ("talkies") employed techniques like this-hiding big radio mics on tables, behind props, during dialogue scenes. It's a resourceful method a lot of us could still use today.

  • @LeonOverweel
    @LeonOverweel 12 років тому

    The new show format is great, Griffin; keep it up! This Indy News thing is really great -- all our movie news plus a weekly tutorial are just amazing. Thank you!

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Definitely-that's a great idea. Most mobile phones have an audio recorder; it's not a professional device, but if it's close to the action, you'll likely capture some decent sound.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    That rig is actually one I purchased: IndiSYSTEM Ultra Compact. I'm not a mic expert, so I'm not sure what models under $100 may be out there. Any mic is better than no mic, though, so anything you can get your hands on that's not omnidirectional could be mounted to make a boom mic.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Thanks! Yeah, I've heard a lot of boom operators prefer pointing the mic at the chest, because voice comes from a combination of sources on the human body.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Quality video and quality audio are both extremely important. I just tend to think audio has more of a subconscious effect on audiences-that they believe things easier when the sound is good. For example, I believe an effective gun shot sound effect does more to convince an audience they've witnessed a real shooting than gun flare visual effects. I also think dramatic music does more to drive an emotional response than the visuals. But each are super important!

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    That's built into FCPX. Click the clip you want to edit in the timeline. Click into the Audio tab in the Inspector, and there's an arrow next to "Audio Analysis." Inside are three "Audio Enhancements," one of which is background noise removal. A lot of sound editing programs also have noise removal, which I used often before I started recording better audio.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Yeah, especially when I shoot weddings, redundant audio is ideal. You never know when one audio source might be bad for a few seconds (wind, clothes rustling, etc.), so having a second option to cut to is always helpful.

  • @AaronZufall
    @AaronZufall 12 років тому

    Really nice video. I can't imagine how time-consuming it must have been to match up all those screenshots, cut-aways, and audio changes with the episode content. Your work is appreciated.

  • @thomasonefoot
    @thomasonefoot 12 років тому

    This is in my opinion the very best UA-cam channel ever! Not joking, you guys are amazing. Showing us how to get all this stuff cheap and easy so we don't get ripped off by shops. This is freaking brilliant!

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    You certainly can do that. I use the Zoom because it allows somewhat finer audio control than my GH2, and I like to monitor with headphones to make sure it sounds good. I'm sure I'd get similar results plugging directly into the camera, but this device gives me a little more flexibility.

  • @FirstHomeProductions
    @FirstHomeProductions 10 років тому

    This is one of the videos that really helped our production quality.

  • @filmcourage
    @filmcourage 11 років тому

    High quality video. Thank you for the time it took to make this and for posting it for all of us.

  • @knoptop
    @knoptop 12 років тому

    You summed up just about every question regarding audio,mics, and syncing with this video. Great job!

  • @brianherzog
    @brianherzog 12 років тому

    This guy actually responds to comments. Incredible.

  • @ScottRoseVideo
    @ScottRoseVideo 12 років тому

    Hello Griffin, I would just like to express admiration for your work on Indy Mogul! You've really turned the channel around, I gave up watching BFX about a year ago as I just found it a little monotonous (and found FilmRiot) however I happened to click on one your videos about 2 months ago and have been re-watching since. Kudos on bringing such quality to this channel!
    - Scott

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    They make adapters for that, or there's usually a DIY solution. My mic, for example, has a shoe mount for the top of the camera, but also a 1/4" (tripod) mount. I have a metal brace with screw holes in it, so I can attach it to the microphone's 1/4" mount, and mount other devices to it, while it's on my camera.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    That's where I aim for as well. I usually try to speak as loud as I think I'll get, and set that around -3, but most of my peaks land around -6, and -12 is good too. Much lower than that, and it may be too quiet.

  • @LucasKussowski
    @LucasKussowski 12 років тому

    Griffin, you are the man. Microphones explained so well that my lecturers at uni could learn a thing or two about clearly going over technical data. I understand it all now. Plus I want to get the SONY ECM-AW3 wireless kit asap. Thanks again!!! :)

  • @LWGArcade
    @LWGArcade 8 років тому +1

    This is the best mic tutorial I've ever seen.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    It wouldn't hurt to take notes on set, like, "Audio clip STE-0004.wav goes with video clip 015.mov." I also find it's easier if you let the camera and recorder roll without stopping: The less files you create, the less syncing you have to do.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    The stick mic is less sensitive, so the volume would be lower, but it might do the trick in some situations. Probably still better than an on-camera mic.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    I think the mic makes a bigger difference than the recorder, and I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have much need for a second shotgun mic. Most of the videos I shoot have the flexibility to do actors' lines one at a time, and I probably wouldn't have two boom operators anyway.

  • @CTVadim
    @CTVadim 10 років тому +1

    Oh man, this was basically everything I needed. Thanks so much for putting this out here!

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    You probably don't want a visible lav mic in the shot, and they can also pick up clothes rustling, so for a lot of short film work, they're not the best choice. But if it's between a lav and no mic, I'd use the lav. (You can find ways to hide them in the shot.)

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    I'm frugal, and when I was in the market for a mic a couple years ago, that seemed to be the best value for a relatively inexpensive mic.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Any time a mic is too low, and you turn it up, you'll hear noise. The solution is to try to get louder audio captured, so you need to get the mic closer to the action.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Right now, the Tascam DR-40 is only $150 on B&H, and it looks like a great comparable product to the H4n. I really like my shotgun mic, but a lot of people like the Rode VideoMic too.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Thanks! It was a popularly requested tutorial!

  • @KalvinKingdonsVids
    @KalvinKingdonsVids 12 років тому

    After this tutorial I figured out that a shot gun mic needs a battery. I've been using my schools shotgun mic for a year and a half thinking it was working ha. I can finally do some sound. You guy's channel has helped me so much over the past few months since I've subscribed. Soon I'll be going to Vanarts in Vancouver for Visual effects. I'll be learning from the guy who did the lead visual FX for Avatar. Some guys there asked me how I learned and I listed out youtubes channels including yours.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    I usually arrive at a shoot with a camera backpack, and a long bag for light stands, tripod, etc. For weddings, when I have even more equipment, I also have a large camera bag.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    That's an IndiSYSTEM Ultra Compact in the video, made by a cool guy in Iowa. I really like it, but lots of people think it's too heavy.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Thanks for saying that!

  • @willferguson321
    @willferguson321 12 років тому

    Dude these informational blogs are BEAST
    I wish I had an older brother like you that could teach me this stuff

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    You may be able to do without the recorder if you can plug the mic into your camera. The only other thing you'll want is headphones, to make sure it sounds good before and during recording.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    I do most of my audio work within Final Cut Pro X, but when I need something particularly technical, I like Adobe Audition.

  • @stylz1
    @stylz1 12 років тому

    Pretty much knew all this, but still excellent audio info for those who don't. One of the best I've seen yet.

  • @zapatosrotoss
    @zapatosrotoss 11 років тому

    thank you so much for leaving this video, even after more than a year this info it is so up to date, thanks again

  • @Zapdos2000
    @Zapdos2000 12 років тому

    Just got those for Christmas, and here's what you can do: Your first option would be to get a mono to stereo wire adapter, and your second would be to just convert it in post, which I find to be the easiest way.

  • @KlotzProductions
    @KlotzProductions 12 років тому

    Really liked this episode, especially the stuff on the mics.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    I can't remember if the DR-40 was out when I bought my H4n. I really like the look of it, and I love the mic protectors. (I've cracked the mics on my H4n twice-still work, though.)

  • @fadetounforgiven
    @fadetounforgiven 12 років тому

    Now this is how you make a quick but complet "kind of" tutorial on mics. Good job.

  • @auaisito
    @auaisito 12 років тому

    THIS is the IndyMogul I fell in love with.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    What's your solution? (I've thought about using a wired lavalier, connected to a cheap, portable recorder in the groom's pocket.)

  • @magdalenalewczuk9996
    @magdalenalewczuk9996 8 років тому

    I didn't know that syncing sounds can be so easy. Thak you for this tutorial!

  • @RoryGoesFishing
    @RoryGoesFishing 12 років тому

    Hi indymogul, I'm actually a sound specialist (music tech student/part time sound engineer) I've worked in studios as well as doing this sort of thing, I'd be more than happy to give a hand to give some more in depth information if you need it? Oh and with a boom mic, my personal preference is to point it at the actors chest as it produces a warmer sound whereas pointing at the mouth can produce too much sibilance. Love watching your videos, keep them coming!

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Echoes are dampened by soft things like blankets. Try to cover surfaces that reflect sound waves.

  • @blahblahflix
    @blahblahflix 12 років тому

    i have rewatched this 3 times so far
    very useful

  • @KalikAP01
    @KalikAP01 12 років тому

    Thank god someone else giving some love to an Azden SGM mic! I have an X2. All I ever heard people recommend was some $300 Audio Technica mic. When I found the SGM-X2 I was beside myself.

  • @daledimmick1771
    @daledimmick1771 11 років тому

    This depends on what you want it to look like. If you want to help your HD video "feel" like film, shoot 24 frames. Faster frame rates look realistic, like broadcast video. Like comparing the look of a movie with a soap opera or reality show. 24 frames takes advantage of our eye's natural retinal retention which smooths out the flicker. Remember, part of the time in a motion picture theatre, we're actually looking at a blank screen because of the shutters role in projection.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    I wouldn't think so, as long as you're editing in the same format on each.

  • @oneeyedgeek
    @oneeyedgeek 12 років тому

    For my first shoot, I didn't have a shotgun or boom, so when I had a scene with 4 actors sitting at a small table, I just put a lav mic on the table (hidden from the camera) and turned up the gain. It worked surprisingly well.

  • @raminile
    @raminile 12 років тому

    More people need to see this. So many indie productions and short films are ruined by poor audio.

  • @richieblac
    @richieblac 11 років тому

    Generally aim for -10 or lower for your highest levels, do not aim for 0 or you're just asking for clipping.
    Use a hyper-cardiod microphone indoors instead of a shotgun when you can. A shotgun will work fine many times, but certain rooms will produce a "boxyness" to the person's voice because it's picking up focused reflections from the wall behind him/her.
    The ideal angle of a boom mic on the field is pointing down and in from above, crossing the mouth and hitting the chest.

  • @TurtleDudeProd
    @TurtleDudeProd 12 років тому

    After doing some tests with my own H4n audio syncing, and doing a big of research, I found that it is common to have drift issues after about 5 or 6 minutes into your video/audio even when the waveforms match perfectly. I found that Dual/Plural Eyes did not have the issue, but I did when matching waveform manually. I think this should have been something that was mentioned in this video.

  • @STP_Fantasma
    @STP_Fantasma 11 років тому

    Thanks man! That was very helpful! I'm just starting to learn to make my audio more professional. Sorry if it seemed like a stupid question, but I'm learning something new everyday!

  • @daledimmick1771
    @daledimmick1771 11 років тому

    Truth is, The most important production element re: quality is Audio, then nice lighting design and last on the list is video quality.

  • @MrGoodaays
    @MrGoodaays 12 років тому

    Thank god for this video I've been waiting on info for mics

  • @musicboxer1
    @musicboxer1 10 років тому +6

    omg, just found your channel and already love it

  • @MasonStone
    @MasonStone 11 років тому

    I wish you guys still had this channel :(

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Yep! Christmas present from my awesome wife!

  • @daledimmick1771
    @daledimmick1771 11 років тому

    A Rycote softie on a shotgun does the best job in the wind. If you have a grip, you can use a lightweight 4x4 reflector/or black flag or diffuser to follow the shotgun and block the wind from off camera behind the shotgun.

  • @pavmx703
    @pavmx703 9 років тому +22

    Skip to 1:55 for what you came here for.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Final Cut Pro X is what I'm using.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    The IndiSYSTEM Ultra Compact.

  • @JustJoshinMagic
    @JustJoshinMagic 12 років тому

    A fairly inexpensive, but effective lav mic setup is the Zoom H1 and the AudioTechnica ATR 3350. You have to sync it in post, but it works fantastically

  • @Syluxrox
    @Syluxrox 12 років тому

    I love your video tutorials. Keep doing them!

  • @Kick180
    @Kick180 11 років тому

    Excellent tips. My Panasonic HD camcorder doesn't have a microphone jack so I'm interested to see how much better the audio will be once I apply some of the techniques.

  • @acestarone
    @acestarone 12 років тому

    oh wow this is right on time. i just reached the sound section of my production class.

  • @ekootca
    @ekootca 12 років тому

    Excellent audio overview!

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Even a great mic, when mounted on the camera, is often too far away. For example, when you see me at the beginning of these videos, sitting at my desk, my camera is about five feet away from me, and my microphone is about 15 inches from my mouth, just under the frame.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Sure, but I bet a dynamic mic would work well, and be much cheaper.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    Just get the mic as close to the sound as you can, and try to point it straight at the source of the sound.

  • @cherrym1797
    @cherrym1797 9 років тому

    Thank you sooooo much!!! u just saved me from worry about buying clip mic, shortgun or bluetooth mic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your tutorial is really useful!!! Thanks again!!!

  • @MorganHause
    @MorganHause 12 років тому

    so far based off the trailers I've seen I'm still really stoked for the film. I don't care what frame rate Jackson uses; I'm more interested in the story line.

  • @PBMediaWorld
    @PBMediaWorld 12 років тому

    I Heard you !!! Very nicely done. The best audio equipment/tutorial yet, on the web :)

  • @lemmonsinmyeyes
    @lemmonsinmyeyes 12 років тому

    It comes in a case and has a mic holder, pretty good package really.

  • @mixlevi12
    @mixlevi12 11 років тому

    In your editing program, drag the audio from the first take out, and put the video from the second take over top.

  • @T3hTroll
    @T3hTroll 11 років тому

    I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE CLAPPERBOARD THANK TO YOU. You're great

  • @lukeeisenbraun5428
    @lukeeisenbraun5428 9 років тому +2

    Just a small correction on how the shotgun mic works. The transducer is actually not down in the mic. it is near the end of the shotgun. The sounds from the side and some from the rear get canceled out when they meet at the transducer because they apply equal pressure to both sides of the transducer for a "net pressure" of zero those sounds cancel out. the design of the internal baffling is what determines the nodes of the mic and its pickup pattern. I know, who cares, right?

    • @andrewniedziela
      @andrewniedziela 9 років тому

      +Luke Eisenbraun I do, thanks! :D

    • @andrewniedziela
      @andrewniedziela 9 років тому

      +Luke Eisenbraun Maybe you can tell me why my new cheap shotgun mic is creating a lot of white background noise when none is present when recording. I've been looking for a solution for hours. I am recording audio directly to a Nikon D3200 and set it so that it records at 12 db's so it's not distorted. I've tried to clean it up in editing and by muting certain Hz's. Is there something I'm missing? Your help would be most appreciated, thanks!

    • @lukeeisenbraun5428
      @lukeeisenbraun5428 9 років тому

      +Andrew N. First, you need to determine if the noise is ambient or electronic. Record some audio and then cover the mic with a heavy blanket so it is very quiet inside the blanket If the noise vanishes on playback with the blanket covering the mic, the source of the noise is ambient. Turn down the gain on the camera if you can. If electronic noise is the problem, a setting on the camera should fix it. Check if the auto-level (AGC) is turned on in the camera. That means the camera is riding the level on the mic for you. Sometimes this is OK for very dynamic sources, but in most cases you just want to manually set the record level for your location and forget it. To set the gain clap your hands near the mic so the meter reaches the maximum level. That should get you plenty of headroom for later. Also, If the mic is really cheap, it could be the electronics that are noisy. Good mics always use the best components with tight tolerances for the lowest noise. Also a bad transistors or capacitors can cause noise at the output. If the camera input is a a high impedance input and the mic is low impedance output, a gain mismatch will occur and some noise may be the result, though noise usually happens with the opposite situation of high out and low in. You can use a transformer to match the impedance, but a setting should be all you need to adjust on today's equipment. Finally, to determine if the mic is the problem or the camera's gain control, try plugging the mic into a different camera and see if you get the same result.

    • @andrewniedziela
      @andrewniedziela 9 років тому

      +Luke Eisenbraun Thank so much for the reply, I am pretty sure it is an electronic problem because no matter where I film it still creates the noise. I have been manually setting the mic's sensitivity and made it so it recorded at about 12 decibels. I'll try it with a different camera too. The mic was also only $25 and Chinese quality so that might be it but I've seen videos on youtube with the same mic and it sounds great.

    • @lukeeisenbraun5428
      @lukeeisenbraun5428 9 років тому

      +Andrew N. Sounds like a defective mic. If it is from China, it may be a knock off of the one you saw in the video. Some of that stuff works and some is bad, real bad. The most likely problem is the preamp in the mic. If you are ambitious you can build your own preamp and use the same transducer. Some capacitive transducers have built-in preamps that could also be adding noise, but most electrets do not have them. Numerous circuits can be found online. You could also find which components are bad and replace them. Bad output capacitors are notorious for adding noise. Or sell it on Craig's List and get a new one. One more problem could be the plug and jack on the camera and mic. If the mic plug is not seated well in the Jack, or is incompatible with the camera you may be getting noise because the preamp on the mic is not being powered properly or connected properly to the camera's audio input. Maybe it's not plugged in all the way or somehow is not fully connected.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    You should check out a lot of the comments here: many people have audio recorder recommendations.

  • @D3adtrap
    @D3adtrap 12 років тому

    You should do a video series about the whole process from writing a script, filming, editing to publishing.

  • @JimmyG100
    @JimmyG100 12 років тому

    The thing about the 48fps in The Hobbit is that there's this subconscious judgment we have about high frame rates that's been implanted from years of watching 30fps TV shows. Anything that runs over 24fps is seen as something modern. Walk into Best Buy and you experience the same effect with the new HDTVs that boost their own frame rate giving it a cheap video look. Ironically this comes after camera companies started putting 24p modes on all their camcorders to give them a more cinematic look.

  • @samlee6941
    @samlee6941 12 років тому

    A lot of sound mixing programs, including most non-linear video editors, will allow you to quickly duplicate the audio so it's dual-channel.
    I've had that issue with my H1 and lav mic set up. It takes 15 seconds to fix, though.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    I've never used that. I imagine it replaces the on-board stereo mic, right?

  • @dave99251
    @dave99251 12 років тому

    I love Mondays ,thanks to griffin

  • @albatrossjim2524
    @albatrossjim2524 10 років тому

    Astonishingly helpful. THANK YOU.

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    At my last job, I used a $1,500 Audio Technica wireless mic and still got a lot of interference in busy environments. I think I've given up on wireless mics.

  • @DennisKussener
    @DennisKussener 12 років тому

    perfect video, I'm looking for a while for affordable XLR mic's and here I have, doing some research and the Azden SGM-1X shotgun mic. will be my main mic for my first shortfilm :D , tanks a lot :D

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul  12 років тому

    IndiSYSTEM Ultra Compact

  • @Riladin
    @Riladin 12 років тому

    So excited for the Hobbit soooo much

  • @jcKobeh
    @jcKobeh 12 років тому

    So, today I found you guys after un-subscribing when BFX ended. Yes, I was one of "those" guys.
    But since you seem to have found a new style (and I already got over the BFX-ending sadness) I think I'll give you guys another chance.
    Just subscribed :D