This is pretty much my dream everyday shoe - 5mm drop, lightweight, low, natural foot-shaped toe box, Pebax, not too firm, not too soft. Can't wait to try 'em!
I'd say they're pretty solidly rated and exposed - their fanbase is diehard, you can't find a running shoe thread on FB or UA-cam without a billion comments from them. It's similar to how the COROS cult used to be back in the day. I've always found their shoes to be boring and lifeless but sounds like they might be stepping it up!
@@cb4atl : to me topo feels like inov8, excellent brand that gives excellent product and sometimes "niche" ones, but not very exciting for the gear geeks
Love to see the Cyclone 2 getting some love! I had the Cyclone v1 (2-3 years ago) and it still is one of my favorite daily trainer. If the v2 improved on the v1, it must be a fantastic shoe! Can't wait to get my hands on it
Just crossed 150mi on these after picking them up a few weeks ago. A true game-changer in several ways as it relates to the health of my feet. I had been dealing with 5th metatarsal issues on both feet, and these shoes have significantly reduced that pain. Side note, I picked them up based on a recommendation from a buddy who had been in Topo's well before this shoe came out. He's a 225 marathon guy @ 43yrs old and runs in these almost exclusively excepting races, so they can be a great workout or even all around shoe for any level of runner.
Had it since it was released - agree wholeheartedly w/ your review. My review on RW: Phenomenal fit for my duck-like feet, w/ a cushioned - but not sloppy soft - stable feel. I’m reasonably light at ~130 lbs., but the sidewalls, saddle-like fit, and flared midsole, I’m guessing would pretty much accommodate much larger runners. They pretty much cannibalized the Rebel upper w/ the best features of the Mach 5 to make my perfect, and long-awaited, Pebax trainer - at a reasonable price, no less. My first Topo road shoe.
I mostly wear barefoot/minimalist shoes and bought these as soon as they released. As far as I can tell, these are the first, maybe only, reasonably priced premium-foam shoes with an anatomical toe box. I used the rebel v2s and have been trying to get some of the saucony models to work for me, but they all ended up too restricting my wide feet lol. With the modest drop, wide toebox, and light weight, these things are by far my favorite "traditional" shoe :)
Saucony shoes have excessive arch supports which cut into my foot. I’ve been doing a lot of barefoot running lately with the Vivobarefoot Primus Trail Knit, but I was looking for something to provide a little cushioning while remaining flexible.
@@lastemperor12The speed 3s are the for me. They’re just a little to tight on my pinky toe (rest of the shoe fits fine) and if I half size up, I get a sloppy fit that’s a bit long.
I am not convinced by the Puma Nitro 2 but one run with the Topo Cyclone 2 is enough !! Loved, loved it !! Super shoe without carbon, that must be a dream shoe.
Been waiting for this review! The topo sounds like what I've been looking for, a wide endorphin 😊 Love the mountain racer for trails. The specter is also a solid shoe with more stack height for longer efforts Topo is definitely making strides (excuse the pun)
Made the switch to Topo's a little over a year ago and don't regret it at all. Currently have the phantom 2, mt-4, and ultraventure 3, and mountain racer 2 in my rotation. Really hope the pebax makes it's way to the trail lineup. I like their zipfoam, but I still prefer more squish than it provides
I really love my Topo Athletic Specter shoes, and use them as a daily trainer. I used to get bad planta fasciitis, but switching to the wider foot shaped shoes, allowed my toes to spread, and helped me develop a stronger arch, so can run pain free, now. I have done 1200 km in the Specters, and they are going fine, apart from some splitting in the upper, on my right foot, which is slightly bigger than my left. I think they have another month or two left in them. The idea of the Cyclone 2's looks great, a light, fast responsive shoe, without forcing any particular running mechanics on you, which the carbon plate shoes tend to do. I will be getting a pair soon. I agree a max height cushioned shoe, of the same Pebax foam, may be even better, but I am still interested in the Cyclone 2's for running parkruns as fast I can!
220 miles on my pair and still look/feel good! They are incredible on the track too. I am a long time Kinvara fan, and this is exactly the direction I wish the Kinvara had gone. Only (small) gripe is that longer road sessions occasionally had me wanting a couple more mm under foot.
Ok...help me understand. The Kinvara is 31/27, so 4mm drop and literally 3mm more stack. Almost exactly what you and Ko are saying you want in the Cyclone 2. So other than Pebax, how can people say they want the Kin to remain "a flat" but still keep wanting more stack? Could it just be down to materials at this point?
@@michaeltanel3815 fair point! I haven’t tried the Kinvara 14 yet but definitely want to. Reviews consistently say the toe box is super narrow which is what pushes me away. The only reason I wanted more stack in the Cyclone 2 is because I’ve been using it for every type of run (speed, daily, long, etc.). However Topo likely intends this to be more of a speed shoe/racer and would probably direct me to the Specter. But yes the Pebax squishes a smidge more which makes it close to bottoming out.
I've put about 100 miles on my pair of Topo Specters, their max cushioned shoe. I like them, nice and comfortable. I'd be interested to try one of their faster/lighter shoes like the Cyclone. Also their trail shoes.
Topo Athletics is my number 1 favorite shoe brand. Right now I have a pair of Ultraventure 1 and Ultraventure 2.Also I have had many of their different shoes. After my exercise walks, everything from collar up to the top of my head hurts, but from the collar down is ready to do another 100 miles with no problems at all.
Hey Ko is finally in a Topo!! Im even more excited to get this shoe now that my Topo Specter is just about retired. They also makes some great trail shoes, currently have the Topo Mountain Racer2 in my lineup.
Seems very similar to the very underrated Saucony Freedom 4. Love them, they are like the pwrrunpb version of the traditional Kinvara. Guess it is all about strange marketing and the success of the Endorphin series.
Hi Mike, another great video from you. Topo is very well known here in Europe and I had the first model of the Topo cyclone and I was very happy with the previous model. I have an interesting model from Germany called True Motion. You have to test it when you get it. A strong feeling to run in them.
Currently running in the Topo Ultraventure 2 on the trails (and just ordered the v3). Tempted by the Spectre for the road as it also had great reviews.
Just got this shoe. Very similar feel to rebel v2. Rebel v3 was a miss for me so this shoe will probably be my new tempo/upbeat shoe. Very lightweight, soft, and responsive. Only thing that felt a little off for me was the 5mm drop. I like my drop a little higher. Still felt peppy and and comfortable. Got mine for around 100 bucks and it was a steal at that price.
I have this shoe on the way, as well as several other Topo's. I'm excited to try them out. Also have the Saucony Speed 3 on the way to see what fits in my rotation. The cyclone is what i'm looking forward to the most
Wore out my first pair and loved them. I received my second pair about 2.5 weeks ago and I've run in them about 10 times. I have a hot spot on on the top of my left foot. Looks like bunching of the tongue fabric or a ball of thread where the stitching ends on the tongue. Can't return them to the retailer since they are used and no help from Topo. I'll have to get out the diagonal pliers to do some cutting to fix the problem. Suggest wearing them around the house for a couple days to check for defects before taking them out for a run.
My Topo Phantoms were amazingly cushioned and peppy for such a low stack and drop. So underrated! In fact, I think if they were able to advertise and promote more, I’d be reminded to buy more Topos bc I really loved the one model I ran in!
@@kofuzi it’s great that you’ve gotten them on your feet and reviewed now bc it will be added to my recommendations when people ask me for a lower stack, lower heel drop shoe that still has life! Thank you! You’re the best.
Hey Mike, wondering if you can test out Topo’s Specter? Would love to get your take on that model vs the Cyclone 2. Great to see Topo getting some attention.
These are so expensive in Canada! $250. For reference, the Speed3s are currently going for $210 CAD. These sound great, but I don't know if I could justify trying them at that price.
I finally got Topo athletics Runventure 4’s for my 5-10K trail / obstacle runs, just to try out a similar show compared to Altra’s… It exceeded my expectations 👍🏽
Reminds me of the Takumi Sen. Wondering if I should grab whatever version of these is out next time I need to replace mine. Seeing as I’ve only run 50 miles in a few months, won’t be any time soon.
I second this motion. I Love My Pair Of CYCLONE 2! My review is on the shoe site. This is a must own light weight, speedy race day or daily trainer for people who need toe room. The upper is top end, and they finally Nailed midsole at Topo! Cancel your Endorphin Speed 3 WIDE purchase and get this lighter cheaper shoe.
Hey Kofuzi! Thanks for the video- I love your channel. I was wondering do you think you could use the Topo Cyclone 2 as a half marathon racing shoe? I don't like to use plated shoes for racing, and from everything this shoe offers, it seems like it might be able to function in that capacity? It might be just a bit too long of a distance though for it though... I used to race in the Launch 6 but looking for something new - I would appreciate any of your thoughts! Thanks!
Upgraded version of the boost would be floatride foam from Reebok in my mind. They use beaded E-TPU which is marginally lighter than traditional boost but probably not as responsive as Pebax foams. I heard of Topo before but unfortunately they don't ship to where I live. Sounds like my kind of shoe.
You are extemely knowledge and talk about your products im a easy way to understand. Looking forward to more reviews. i subscribed. I do have a question. do you do running plans for ultras? Like to train for a minimum ultra. Im at 33 miles at one time but mostly comfortable at marathon distances.
Completely unrelated to the video… but Ko, I know from watching your marathon blogs you’re a beer guy and foodie. You may want to check out Kishwaukee brewing in Woodstock on fridays. The beer is good and there’s a taco truck that’s really solid. They have a veggie taco too made with creamed corn and poblanos. It’s called El Chido tacos.
I feel this shoe reminds me a lot of the Nike Lunarlon racers from about a decade or less ago. I also know now that I needed to go down a half size because of length.
Man. Love your videos but I always end up buying another shoe after watching. Hope these companies are at least hooking you up for all the work you do!
I think Topo is better known on the trail side of things. My fav trail runners are all Topo, own four different models and they're all great. This may be the first road Topo I buy.
My favorite shoe of 2023! Interesting comparisons. I don’t think they are that similar to saucony. I love this shoe. I find the EP3 too soft, unstable, and takes a lot of work to run in Vs. Other carbon racers. As for the rebel, I would agree that they are similar as you described with the rebel having that bottoming out feeling while the C2 being even better the more you hammer it. I’m considering the C2 for a half marathon in 2 weeks. If all works out, maybe a full? If you can, snag the mtn racer 3 from TOPO (don’t know when it comes out) and test on the trails. Would be curious to hear your thoughts.
How does it compare to the EP3 or Rebel from a sizing perspective? I've been eyeing this shoe for a while, but having never owned a TOPO shoe in the past, am unsure about what size I should get. I read somewhere it runs a little bit large (probably because of the wide toebox, which I love) and as somebody who tends to be between sizes I'm debating going half down.
@@ElteHupkes I have a slightly wide foot. I would normally wear a size 9, but with my flat, slightly wide foot I usually wear most shoes in a 9.5. All that said, I wear a size 9 in the cyclone 2, 9.5 in the rebel, and 10 in saucony.
@@ericletasse5129which Saucony are you a Size 10 in? I am a Size 11 in Kinvara 13 wide (unfortunately still not wide enough, pinkies squashed), I am wondering if a 10.5 or 11 Cyclone 2 will work better for me
@@ericletasse5129thanks for sharing. Have you tried Topo Fli-lyte 5 and Ultrafly 4? I tried 11 and they felt ok (width wise). I usually go to 11 due to the width and I need 2E width most of the time.
Such a competitive market hard to stand out as a somewhat smaller company. Love their roomy toe box . pebax midsole that isn’t max stack without a plate is hard to find, just a few in this space in the market ? Streakfly competition maybe ?
Hey Mike (and crew), I love topos and am pretty comfortable during long runs. Could these be used for marathon running training? (super shoes aren't an option for me) I've used and loved Hoka Mach 4s for training over the last year for reference.
I would love to see it compared to the Altra Vanish tempo. Both footshaped fast paced shoes. The heeldrop is the biggest difference, and would be really nice to know how they compare
@@kofuzi the tempo is just the daily trainer of the carbon, from what I understand. I have been running a lot in altra provision shoes but no longer need the stability after I switched my daily footwear to barefoot shoes. So I am inbetween getting the Topo or a new faster altra
I ran in the older topo teraventure and I loved them. They had a very simple design with forest green and black but were extremely attractive. The follow up model was so dang ugly and I couldn’t get over it. Topo makes great shoes and their designs are getting sexier but lord did they have some ugly designs in the past. Glad to see the designs are getting more gooder looking. With so many good shoes, it’s hard to purchase something that feels good but is as ugly as a 1980s RV. I ran that pair of topo teraventure into the ground. Good long lasting shoes.
First time here thanks for the great video. I'm coming from the kinvara 13 which I ran my first marathon in and loved (and still love). The only downside for me is the narrow toe box. So I've tried a pair of altras (I use barefoot shoes daily so wasn't too concerned about the 0 drop), but I've not really liked them, too heavy mostly. So I'm thinking of trying this cyclone 2. Do you think this is a good kinvara 13 replacement ? I ask as the kinvara 14 is just a massive disappointment.
#MexicanGreetings Congrats Ko for going outside the norm and share other types of shoes. I think maybe this one can be paired with the Altra Carbon for a good one two punch. Lower drop shoes (or 0) don't get any love!
I have that shoe. it was my most underrated shoe of last year (with this Topo being my most underrated shoe of this year). but they're so similar that I consider them competitors more than complements
@kofuzi so would you consider it for a full marathon instead of the Carbon one by Altra? Maybe that's a good head to head video 😆 anyways thanks for being clear and including this type of shoe since it's not mainstream and most won't even give it a chance
these look absolutely amazing looks wise and spec wise. This is everything the rebel should be but better way better. I might be getting a pair. How high is the arch tho? I have tried on the phantom 2 and 3 and the Ultrafly and the arch on those shoes killed me. Im beyond surprised we don't carry these at fleet feet. but we do have the phantom and the ultrafly which tbh feel like every other shoe. As u mentioned this sound way better then the endophin pro 3 to me. similar underfoot feel but that upper on that endophin pro 3 just isn't it not sure why a uptempo/racing shoe has a regular daily trainer upper is wild.
I tried these on at a local store and the arch was way too high for me even with the soft midsole! If it wasn't so high it would definitely replace the rebel v2 as my favourite lightweight tempo shoe
Oh that makes a lot of sense the phantom and the ultrafly witch we carry in store the arch is way. to high for me. It sucks that this has a high arch as well. other wise it would be really nice
Thanks for this review. How would you compare it to the New Balance Rebel (V3)? Would someone with a very wide toe splay be able to run comfortably in this shoe?
@@kofuzi Honestly, this seems like the perfect shoe for my needs, especially after considering your (and others) reviews of the Rebel v4 (3s no longer available in Canada). I like the wide toe box as I have higher arches with widely splaying toes, but an otherwise width heel/midfoot. Unfortunately, for some reason, the Cyclone 2 is more expensive than the Saucony Speed in Canada. (In Canada the Speeds 3&4 retail for CAD $210-$220, Cyclone at CAD $250. ) I wish there was something that would replicate the Rebel 2-3 feel (and price). maybe the new Hoka Mach, but I've always had issues with durability in those shoes (with the exception of their trail shoes).
they absolutely need to produce and sell a Size 12.5 - MY SIZE (EU 47 1/3 precisely)! I was already going through online shops, ready to buy, but that's the only site they skip in their size chart 😢
Question…. How does the height of the ankle sidewall match up to the Specter? I returned the Specter because the ankle cuff came up to high… I need a shoe that has a lower ankle cuff.
I've had my eye on these since they were announced. I tend to be an Altra runner, and have had topo trail shoes. I like relatively low stack, but I'm curious to know if I could get away with these as a marathon shoe (can't justify the price of carbon for a 3:40 race) or if that will lead to trouble.
Topo lists this as a half marathon shoe or session shoe. I think it would depend on how heavy your footstrike is. If you could run a marathon in a Kinvara or an Escalante Racer, then this is also a marathon shoe for you
I’m hoping someone else in the comments can help out. I don’t have experience with their trail shoes (this was my first Topo), but I’m hoping to try one of their trail shoes next
@@adamfeerst2575 - I have tried Hoka torrent on trail and they don’t have enough cushioning after 31 miles. For 50 and 100 mile races, I would rather have more cushioning to save my feet a bit
Tony from Topo here, you might check out the Ultraventure 3, or if conditions are more technical the MTN Racer 3 coming in June is my favorite, a little more stack than the 2 and a new foam compound. While we're at it, like many of you, we also think Kofuzi does really thoughtful objective reviews! The feedback we get from all of you only helps us get better.
Is this good for long distance run on the treadmill or recovery run? I got the NB sc v2 & the ON Cloudsurfer shows but it was too squishy and clunky for a petite person like me. I like less squishy, less heel stack, and more ground feel. Now, I’m debating between the Topo cyclone 2 and Nike VaporFly 3. I have flat feet with neutral landing. What would you recommend?
@@brandonm4664 saucony tempus. I’ve used those for tempo runs and they feel good. It’s just a moderate arch profile, so if your feet are flat, it’ll take a few miles to break in
I feel that, but I generally try to avoid making comparisons to that shoe, as it seems the shoe everyone compares back to whenever they really really like a shoe
@@kofuzi you might consider my suggestion that when you recommend other shoes to go with zero drop, wide toe box shoes, those other shoes be also of that design. that way your runner readers won't make the mistake of getting shoes that would be too tight or cause injuries / bunions, etc.
Only Altra and Topo shoes come with an anatomical (foot shape) toebox. Other cushioned running shoes may offer a wide variant but footshape toebox they are not.
This is pretty much my dream everyday shoe - 5mm drop, lightweight, low, natural foot-shaped toe box, Pebax, not too firm, not too soft. Can't wait to try 'em!
Annoys me that all shoe companies do not have natural foot-shaped toe boxes
@@peterookotai6965 most people won’t buy them and don’t want them. 🤷♂️
@@peterookotai6965 my Morton's neuroma agrees! 😜
@@davidrosenthal5795 guess it's not "sexy" 🤣 people are so dumb...
Are you happy with them
Topo is the most underrated shoe company out there right now. I LOVE my Phantom 2s and next is the ST-4
They do make good shoes. Too bad their designs aren’t more visually appealing. They needs to make it more sexily gooder.
Do they feel like Altras?
I'd say they're pretty solidly rated and exposed - their fanbase is diehard, you can't find a running shoe thread on FB or UA-cam without a billion comments from them. It's similar to how the COROS cult used to be back in the day. I've always found their shoes to be boring and lifeless but sounds like they might be stepping it up!
@@cb4atl : to me topo feels like inov8, excellent brand that gives excellent product and sometimes "niche" ones, but not very exciting for the gear geeks
Love to see the Cyclone 2 getting some love! I had the Cyclone v1 (2-3 years ago) and it still is one of my favorite daily trainer. If the v2 improved on the v1, it must be a fantastic shoe! Can't wait to get my hands on it
Just crossed 150mi on these after picking them up a few weeks ago. A true game-changer in several ways as it relates to the health of my feet. I had been dealing with 5th metatarsal issues on both feet, and these shoes have significantly reduced that pain. Side note, I picked them up based on a recommendation from a buddy who had been in Topo's well before this shoe came out. He's a 225 marathon guy @ 43yrs old and runs in these almost exclusively excepting races, so they can be a great workout or even all around shoe for any level of runner.
Hey there. Was going with your reg running shoe size good for you? Thanks
@@sachakopa7964 Yep !
One run with the Topo and I'm already thinking about using them on Marathon. Why not?
Had it since it was released - agree wholeheartedly w/ your review. My review on RW:
Phenomenal fit for my duck-like feet, w/ a cushioned - but not sloppy soft - stable feel. I’m reasonably light at ~130 lbs., but the sidewalls, saddle-like fit, and flared midsole, I’m guessing would pretty much accommodate much larger runners. They pretty much cannibalized the Rebel upper w/ the best features of the Mach 5 to make my perfect, and long-awaited, Pebax trainer - at a reasonable price, no less. My first Topo road shoe.
I mostly wear barefoot/minimalist shoes and bought these as soon as they released. As far as I can tell, these are the first, maybe only, reasonably priced premium-foam shoes with an anatomical toe box. I used the rebel v2s and have been trying to get some of the saucony models to work for me, but they all ended up too restricting my wide feet lol. With the modest drop, wide toebox, and light weight, these things are by far my favorite "traditional" shoe :)
Awesome. Thx. Same boat with Saucony. Just a bit too narrow or sloppy when I size up.
Saucony shoes have excessive arch supports which cut into my foot. I’ve been doing a lot of barefoot running lately with the Vivobarefoot Primus Trail Knit, but I was looking for something to provide a little cushioning while remaining flexible.
@@lastemperor12The speed 3s are the for me. They’re just a little to tight on my pinky toe (rest of the shoe fits fine) and if I half size up, I get a sloppy fit that’s a bit long.
How do you find the width of Cyclone 2 compared to your barefoot/minimalist shoes? Do you think they can fit a 2E width feet?
Topo, sending Kofuzi a test shoe is absolutely the correct thing to do. Boost that name recognition.
Recently picked this one up and I LOVE it. Low drop, wide, featherlight, bouncy. Glad to see that you are enjoying it, also my first Topo shoe!
glad to hear it's working for you
I am not convinced by the Puma Nitro 2 but one run with the Topo Cyclone 2 is enough !! Loved, loved it !! Super shoe without carbon, that must be a dream shoe.
Been waiting for this review! The topo sounds like what I've been looking for, a wide endorphin 😊
Love the mountain racer for trails. The specter is also a solid shoe with more stack height for longer efforts
Topo is definitely making strides (excuse the pun)
Hope you like it!
Fortunately for me, I have both the Speed 3 & Rebel 3 so I think I’m set. Topo is a good looking shoe though!
Made the switch to Topo's a little over a year ago and don't regret it at all. Currently have the phantom 2, mt-4, and ultraventure 3, and mountain racer 2 in my rotation. Really hope the pebax makes it's way to the trail lineup. I like their zipfoam, but I still prefer more squish than it provides
I don't understand why trail shoes need a squishy foam since the ground is soft. Can you explain?
I really love my Topo Athletic Specter shoes, and use them as a daily trainer. I used to get bad planta fasciitis, but switching to the wider foot shaped shoes, allowed my toes to spread, and helped me develop a stronger arch, so can run pain free, now. I have done 1200 km in the Specters, and they are going fine, apart from some splitting in the upper, on my right foot, which is slightly bigger than my left. I think they have another month or two left in them. The idea of the Cyclone 2's looks great, a light, fast responsive shoe, without forcing any particular running mechanics on you, which the carbon plate shoes tend to do. I will be getting a pair soon. I agree a max height cushioned shoe, of the same Pebax foam, may be even better, but I am still interested in the Cyclone 2's for running parkruns as fast I can!
@7:06 Love that you give many recommendations of how to pair up with other shoes and which ones are similar (but lower price) 👍
glad you find it helpful!
220 miles on my pair and still look/feel good! They are incredible on the track too. I am a long time Kinvara fan, and this is exactly the direction I wish the Kinvara had gone. Only (small) gripe is that longer road sessions occasionally had me wanting a couple more mm under foot.
that's exactly what I'm thinking
Ok...help me understand. The Kinvara is 31/27, so 4mm drop and literally 3mm more stack. Almost exactly what you and Ko are saying you want in the Cyclone 2. So other than Pebax, how can people say they want the Kin to remain "a flat" but still keep wanting more stack?
Could it just be down to materials at this point?
@@michaeltanel3815 fair point! I haven’t tried the Kinvara 14 yet but definitely want to. Reviews consistently say the toe box is super narrow which is what pushes me away. The only reason I wanted more stack in the Cyclone 2 is because I’ve been using it for every type of run (speed, daily, long, etc.). However Topo likely intends this to be more of a speed shoe/racer and would probably direct me to the Specter. But yes the Pebax squishes a smidge more which makes it close to bottoming out.
I've put about 100 miles on my pair of Topo Specters, their max cushioned shoe. I like them, nice and comfortable.
I'd be interested to try one of their faster/lighter shoes like the Cyclone. Also their trail shoes.
Topo Athletics is my number 1 favorite shoe brand. Right now I have a pair of Ultraventure 1 and Ultraventure 2.Also I have had many of their different shoes. After my exercise walks, everything from collar up to the top of my head hurts, but from the collar down is ready to do another 100 miles with no problems at all.
You know you need these shoes when Kofuzi says they are AWESOME!
Thank you for this review, I just ordered my pair! Excited
Hey Ko is finally in a Topo!! Im even more excited to get this shoe now that my Topo Specter is just about retired. They also makes some great trail shoes, currently have the Topo Mountain Racer2 in my lineup.
it's been long overdue for me to try one
Wow, that is an insanely light shoe for an everyday shoe! I may need to check this shoe out.
Seems very similar to the very underrated Saucony Freedom 4. Love them, they are like the pwrrunpb version of the traditional Kinvara. Guess it is all about strange marketing and the success of the Endorphin series.
Hi Mike, another great video from you. Topo is very well known here in Europe and I had the first model of the Topo cyclone and I was very happy with the previous model. I have an interesting model from Germany called True Motion. You have to test it when you get it. A strong feeling to run in them.
Maybe it's well known in Germany, but definitely not in France! Just discovered it with the video :)
@@EruIluuvatar same here in mauritius
Great video! Greatings from Germany
I really would love to see you review the Topo Specter, which is my personal favorite of 2022， haha
Currently running in the Topo Ultraventure 2 on the trails (and just ordered the v3). Tempted by the Spectre for the road as it also had great reviews.
Just got this shoe. Very similar feel to rebel v2. Rebel v3 was a miss for me so this shoe will probably be my new tempo/upbeat shoe. Very lightweight, soft, and responsive. Only thing that felt a little off for me was the 5mm drop. I like my drop a little higher. Still felt peppy and and comfortable. Got mine for around 100 bucks and it was a steal at that price.
That’s as good comparison
How is the fit? Can I go half a size down?
I bought a pair of Phantom 2 last fall, over 500km after I can say I love them. Great shoes.
Been eying these up for a while. Look like an awesome Up tempo kind of mile crusher. Great review as always 😀👌👌
I have this shoe on the way, as well as several other Topo's. I'm excited to try them out. Also have the Saucony Speed 3 on the way to see what fits in my rotation. The cyclone is what i'm looking forward to the most
where did you order?
The best shoe I have never heard of! Now that got my attention Kofuzi!!!
It’s not click bait if it’s true
Wore out my first pair and loved them. I received my second pair about 2.5 weeks ago and I've run in them about 10 times. I have a hot spot on on the top of my left foot. Looks like bunching of the tongue fabric or a ball of thread where the stitching ends on the tongue. Can't return them to the retailer since they are used and no help from Topo. I'll have to get out the diagonal pliers to do some cutting to fix the problem. Suggest wearing them around the house for a couple days to check for defects before taking them out for a run.
My Topo Phantoms were amazingly cushioned and peppy for such a low stack and drop. So underrated! In fact, I think if they were able to advertise and promote more, I’d be reminded to buy more Topos bc I really loved the one model I ran in!
they have a solid core of fans. it'll be interesting to see if they can capture some new ones
@@kofuzi it’s great that you’ve gotten them on your feet and reviewed now bc it will be added to my recommendations when people ask me for a lower stack, lower heel drop shoe that still has life! Thank you! You’re the best.
Why did you choose the Phantoms? I have high arches and wide feet and the Phantoms peaked my interest.
Hey Mike, wondering if you can test out Topo’s Specter? Would love to get your take on that model vs the Cyclone 2. Great to see Topo getting some attention.
These are so expensive in Canada! $250. For reference, the Speed3s are currently going for $210 CAD. These sound great, but I don't know if I could justify trying them at that price.
these are the quirks of a smaller company in a global market, unfortunately
If I didn’t still have a 2nd newer Hyperion Tempo to use up, I’d try this now! My kind of shoe…..
I finally got Topo athletics Runventure 4’s for my 5-10K trail / obstacle runs, just to try out a similar show compared to Altra’s… It exceeded my expectations 👍🏽
This shoe is a absolute game changer. Never felt pebax cushion till now. lightweight yet so much spring and responsiveness in the shoe! Topo rocks!
Glad to hear that you’re enjoying it!
You had me at Triumph 20 and Kinvara 🙌
Reminds me of the Takumi Sen. Wondering if I should grab whatever version of these is out next time I need to replace mine. Seeing as I’ve only run 50 miles in a few months, won’t be any time soon.
I second this motion. I Love My Pair Of CYCLONE 2! My review is on the shoe site. This is a must own light weight, speedy race day or daily trainer for people who need toe room. The upper is top end, and they finally Nailed midsole at Topo! Cancel your Endorphin Speed 3 WIDE purchase and get this lighter cheaper shoe.
thats called compliance and resilience. terms of art. for the foam. being cushy and responsive.
And on the firm side as an option if thats your thing.... the adios 7, for even less money. Like well under a benjamin.
I need to try this. Sounds fantastic.
Great review. I've been enjoying this shoe the last few weeks for track workouts.
Great to hear!
Hey Kofuzi! Thanks for the video- I love your channel. I was wondering do you think you could use the Topo Cyclone 2 as a half marathon racing shoe? I don't like to use plated shoes for racing, and from everything this shoe offers, it seems like it might be able to function in that capacity? It might be just a bit too long of a distance though for it though... I used to race in the Launch 6 but looking for something new - I would appreciate any of your thoughts! Thanks!
yes
Upgraded version of the boost would be floatride foam from Reebok in my mind. They use beaded E-TPU which is marginally lighter than traditional boost but probably not as responsive as Pebax foams. I heard of Topo before but unfortunately they don't ship to where I live. Sounds like my kind of shoe.
You are extemely knowledge and talk about your products im a easy way to understand. Looking forward to more reviews. i subscribed.
I do have a question. do you do running plans for ultras? Like to train for a minimum ultra. Im at 33 miles at one time but mostly comfortable at marathon distances.
I’m afraid I’m not a coach and don’t write running plans
Completely unrelated to the video… but Ko, I know from watching your marathon blogs you’re a beer guy and foodie. You may want to check out Kishwaukee brewing in Woodstock on fridays. The beer is good and there’s a taco truck that’s really solid. They have a veggie taco too made with creamed corn and poblanos. It’s called El Chido tacos.
hey, that sounds nice
I feel this shoe reminds me a lot of the Nike Lunarlon racers from about a decade or less ago. I also know now that I needed to go down a half size because of length.
I think beaded peba is pretty different from lunarlon though
Please do a review on the Topo Specter shoe
Hey! Thank you for this informative video. How does this shoe perform compare to novablast?
Man. Love your videos but I always end up buying another shoe after watching. Hope these companies are at least hooking you up for all the work you do!
Amazing review!
thanks for watching!
I've wanted these since first hearing about them. These look tough.
Love the rebel v3
Topo shoes have replaced Altras as my trail shoes last year after several disappointing LonePeaks by Altra.
I think Topo is better known on the trail side of things. My fav trail runners are all Topo, own four different models and they're all great. This may be the first road Topo I buy.
this experience certainly makes me feel more interested in trying another Topo. I think a trail option could be a lot of fun
My favorite shoe of 2023! Interesting comparisons. I don’t think they are that similar to saucony. I love this shoe. I find the EP3 too soft, unstable, and takes a lot of work to run in Vs. Other carbon racers.
As for the rebel, I would agree that they are similar as you described with the rebel having that bottoming out feeling while the C2 being even better the more you hammer it. I’m considering the C2 for a half marathon in 2 weeks. If all works out, maybe a full?
If you can, snag the mtn racer 3 from TOPO (don’t know when it comes out) and test on the trails. Would be curious to hear your thoughts.
How does it compare to the EP3 or Rebel from a sizing perspective? I've been eyeing this shoe for a while, but having never owned a TOPO shoe in the past, am unsure about what size I should get. I read somewhere it runs a little bit large (probably because of the wide toebox, which I love) and as somebody who tends to be between sizes I'm debating going half down.
@@ElteHupkes I have a slightly wide foot. I would normally wear a size 9, but with my flat, slightly wide foot I usually wear most shoes in a 9.5. All that said, I wear a size 9 in the cyclone 2, 9.5 in the rebel, and 10 in saucony.
@@ericletasse5129which Saucony are you a Size 10 in? I am a Size 11 in Kinvara 13 wide (unfortunately still not wide enough, pinkies squashed), I am wondering if a 10.5 or 11 Cyclone 2 will work better for me
@@fransera I am a size 10 in the kinvara 13, 9.5 in the ride 15, 9 in the TOPO.
@@ericletasse5129thanks for sharing. Have you tried Topo Fli-lyte 5 and Ultrafly 4? I tried 11 and they felt ok (width wise). I usually go to 11 due to the width and I need 2E width most of the time.
The folks at Topo is taking it slow, but you said what can be being brewed right now at the HQ: A Carbon Racer Topo! :)
Such a competitive market hard to stand out as a somewhat smaller company. Love their roomy toe box . pebax midsole that isn’t max stack without a plate is hard to find, just a few in this space in the market ? Streakfly competition maybe ?
Hmmm. That’s interesting. They’re so different, and yet, I find myself agreeing with the comparison
Never heard of the shoe company before but the shoe looks awesome.
Hey Mike (and crew),
I love topos and am pretty comfortable during long runs. Could these be used for marathon running training? (super shoes aren't an option for me) I've used and loved Hoka Mach 4s for training over the last year for reference.
Big fan of the flylite4.
I like the older Topo shoes due to the zero drop. Hence, five pairs of Topo and eleven pairs of Altra.
You should look at the 361° Centauri if you liked this!
I would pair wit with the speed, but I need to cut out holes in the toebox to prevent blisters. The rebel is ridiculously uncomfortable there.
I’m not sure what shoe you’re talking about here
@@kofuzi saucony speed, nb rebel
Just grabbed a pair of Topo Cyclone 2s. Lets see what we got here
I would love to see it compared to the Altra Vanish tempo. Both footshaped fast paced shoes. The heeldrop is the biggest difference, and would be really nice to know how they compare
I haven’t tested that one. I ran in the Vanish Carbon, but not the tempo
@@kofuzi the tempo is just the daily trainer of the carbon, from what I understand. I have been running a lot in altra provision shoes but no longer need the stability after I switched my daily footwear to barefoot shoes. So I am inbetween getting the Topo or a new faster altra
@@kofuziwhat about the width of the Cyclone 2 compared to the Vanish Carbon? Is it wider and more accommodating?
I ran in the older topo teraventure and I loved them. They had a very simple design with forest green and black but were extremely attractive. The follow up model was so dang ugly and I couldn’t get over it. Topo makes great shoes and their designs are getting sexier but lord did they have some ugly designs in the past. Glad to see the designs are getting more gooder looking. With so many good shoes, it’s hard to purchase something that feels good but is as ugly as a 1980s RV. I ran that pair of topo teraventure into the ground. Good long lasting shoes.
First time here thanks for the great video. I'm coming from the kinvara 13 which I ran my first marathon in and loved (and still love). The only downside for me is the narrow toe box. So I've tried a pair of altras (I use barefoot shoes daily so wasn't too concerned about the 0 drop), but I've not really liked them, too heavy mostly. So I'm thinking of trying this cyclone 2. Do you think this is a good kinvara 13 replacement ? I ask as the kinvara 14 is just a massive disappointment.
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Take a look at the Altra Escalante Racer. I had a pair of Kinvara 13 too but sold it, now mainly using Escalante Racer and VFF V-Run
#MexicanGreetings Congrats Ko for going outside the norm and share other types of shoes. I think maybe this one can be paired with the Altra Carbon for a good one two punch. Lower drop shoes (or 0) don't get any love!
I have that shoe. it was my most underrated shoe of last year (with this Topo being my most underrated shoe of this year).
but they're so similar that I consider them competitors more than complements
@kofuzi so would you consider it for a full marathon instead of the Carbon one by Altra? Maybe that's a good head to head video 😆 anyways thanks for being clear and including this type of shoe since it's not mainstream and most won't even give it a chance
I found the spector is even better than the cyclone and especially as a long run shoe..
Is the Cyclone 2 more stable in the heel than the Triumph 20?
how would you say outsole durability will be and on wet days is the traction?
these look absolutely amazing looks wise and spec wise. This is everything the rebel should be but better way better. I might be getting a pair. How high is the arch tho? I have tried on the phantom 2 and 3 and the Ultrafly and the arch on those shoes killed me. Im beyond surprised we don't carry these at fleet feet. but we do have the phantom and the ultrafly which tbh feel like every other shoe. As u mentioned this sound way better then the endophin pro 3 to me. similar underfoot feel but that upper on that endophin pro 3 just isn't it not sure why a uptempo/racing shoe has a regular daily trainer upper is wild.
I tried these on at a local store and the arch was way too high for me even with the soft midsole! If it wasn't so high it would definitely replace the rebel v2 as my favourite lightweight tempo shoe
Oh that makes a lot of sense the phantom and the ultrafly witch we carry in store the arch is way. to high for me. It sucks that this has a high arch as well. other wise it would be really nice
Thanks for this review. How would you compare it to the New Balance Rebel (V3)? Would someone with a very wide toe splay be able to run comfortably in this shoe?
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@@kofuzi Honestly, this seems like the perfect shoe for my needs, especially after considering your (and others) reviews of the Rebel v4 (3s no longer available in Canada). I like the wide toe box as I have higher arches with widely splaying toes, but an otherwise width heel/midfoot. Unfortunately, for some reason, the Cyclone 2 is more expensive than the Saucony Speed in Canada. (In Canada the Speeds 3&4 retail for CAD $210-$220, Cyclone at CAD $250. )
I wish there was something that would replicate the Rebel 2-3 feel (and price). maybe the new Hoka Mach, but I've always had issues with durability in those shoes (with the exception of their trail shoes).
Can you review the new Decathlon KD900 (not KD900X, which is the carbon plated version)?
I currently don't have any plans to review Decathlon shoes
they absolutely need to produce and sell a Size 12.5 - MY SIZE (EU 47 1/3 precisely)!
I was already going through online shops, ready to buy, but that's the only site they skip in their size chart 😢
oh no!
How does this shoe compare to the Hoka Mach 5? They seem to be targeting the same niche.
Can you do a review of the Spectre?
I do not currently have plans to review that shoe
How long is your longest foot in cm and which size did you get?
I got my usual running shoe size, and it was a great fit.
Great video Mike! True to size?
Yes
Runs big for me. I’m a size 10 in a lot of shoes and 9.5 works best for me in the Cyclone 2 with still a lot of room in the toe box.
Question…. How does the height of the ankle sidewall match up to the Specter? I returned the Specter because the ankle cuff came up to high… I need a shoe that has a lower ankle cuff.
I did not test the specter
@@kofuzi how high does the ankle cuff come up?
I've had my eye on these since they were announced. I tend to be an Altra runner, and have had topo trail shoes. I like relatively low stack, but I'm curious to know if I could get away with these as a marathon shoe (can't justify the price of carbon for a 3:40 race) or if that will lead to trouble.
Topo lists this as a half marathon shoe or session shoe. I think it would depend on how heavy your footstrike is. If you could run a marathon in a Kinvara or an Escalante Racer, then this is also a marathon shoe for you
Thanks for the response!
Apart from Altra (and now I've learned about Topo), are there any other shoe brands doing the anatomical toe box?
There are minimalist shoes that do, but I am not familiar with those
Vimana Hybrid and Hybrid Carbon.
how about the insoles?...please discuss insoles on your shoe reviews...thanks
it's ortholite
Is the midfoot super shoes snug?
Eyeing this off for a month now, can't wait until they are available in Australia 🦘
Hope you get it soon!
Topo responded to me on IG saying there are no current plans to bring it to Australia, which was sad. Hopefully it pops up at some stage
Great review as always. Never used Topo. Is there a bouncy topo trail shoe? I have wide feet, so topo could be good for me
I’m hoping someone else in the comments can help out. I don’t have experience with their trail shoes (this was my first Topo), but I’m hoping to try one of their trail shoes next
Please explain why you would want bouncy on trails.
@@adamfeerst2575 - I have tried Hoka torrent on trail and they don’t have enough cushioning after 31 miles. For 50 and 100 mile races, I would rather have more cushioning to save my feet a bit
Tony from Topo here, you might check out the Ultraventure 3, or if conditions are more technical the MTN Racer 3 coming in June is my favorite, a little more stack than the 2 and a new foam compound.
While we're at it, like many of you, we also think Kofuzi does really thoughtful objective reviews! The feedback we get from all of you only helps us get better.
@@mistatopo8337 - Hi Tony. That’s quality service. Great reviewer and then feedback from Topo. I will have a look at UK sites
Is this good for long distance run on the treadmill or recovery run? I got the NB sc v2 & the ON Cloudsurfer shows but it was too squishy and clunky for a petite person like me. I like less squishy, less heel stack, and more ground feel. Now, I’m debating between the Topo cyclone 2 and Nike VaporFly 3. I have flat feet with neutral landing. What would you recommend?
I wouldn’t really consider any of the shoes you mentioned for recovery running
@@kofuzi what would you recommend? I checked on Topo’s website but they don’t carry my size 5.
Any idea if they will come out with more color ways?
I hope so. I'm not a fan of this blue
I think i am falling in love…
Regards from Spain
It’s a good shoe
Have u tried the kinvara 14 kofuzi
I have in a store and loved it. Just ordered it from them.
I've yet to find a "tempo" day shoe with enough stability...Rebel, Speed, Cyclone all lacking. Any thoughts/suggestions?
This isn’t as stable as the endorphin speed.
Hyperion Max?
@@kofuzi Thanks...little too firm for my liking. I've been using NB RC Elite v2 which have just enough. But closing in on 225 miles on these...
@@brandonm4664 saucony tempus. I’ve used those for tempo runs and they feel good. It’s just a moderate arch profile, so if your feet are flat, it’ll take a few miles to break in
@@kofuzi Wait a sec,cyclone 2 is less stable than endorphin speed 1 or 2?
Hi, If I use size USA 9 in NB Rebel`s v2 v3, should I use in this an 9 or 8.5, I read maybe half down? Thx
I went with the same size in each of the shoes
I wear 10 in Rebel v3 and 9.5 in Cyclone 2.
Is it suitable for half marathons? Thanks
if you have good mechanics, yes. I find it too low to the ground and too neutral for me to consider it for a marathon.
They almost sound like the OG Pegasus turbo.
I feel that, but I generally try to avoid making comparisons to that shoe, as it seems the shoe everyone compares back to whenever they really really like a shoe
are those other shoes (saucony) also with wide toebox?
some of them are available in a wide
@@kofuzi you might consider my suggestion that when you recommend other shoes to go with zero drop, wide toe box shoes, those other shoes be also of that design. that way your runner readers won't make the mistake of getting shoes that would be too tight or cause injuries / bunions, etc.
Only Altra and Topo shoes come with an anatomical (foot shape) toebox. Other cushioned running shoes may offer a wide variant but footshape toebox they are not.
Is this a Bandit commercial?
you are watching a shoe review