Yes. That is laughable. IBM told us not to lift more than 25 lbs. And made us take back safety courses that said the same thing. Back then, a hard drive in a mainframe disk drive weighed 89 lbs and you had to line it up perfectly to get it to slid in on rails onto pins. Some power supplies were 125 lbs. At least those were at the bottom of the frame of the machines. Your manager and co-workers would be really unhappy if you called someone in on overtime to assist.
@@Growmap I worked for EDS and they were the greatest employer of my career. They acquired our data center at Equifax, we did credit card and check processing for thousands of small banks and credit unions. Under Eqfx management the hardware was from the stone age and the mainframe would crash several times a day, it was a nightmare. When EDS took over, the whole shop was stocked with state of the art everything. The CPU was capable of running three companies processing and it would run or batch cycles so fast, we would finish nightly processing hours ahead of schedule. Digital storage meant no waiting for tape mounts, tape silos for data that needed to go offsite gave the tape guys time to ear and do crosswords. The print room got four twinned ultra high speed lasers with roll feeders and folding tables, 400 pages per minute printing the form and data front and back. I could keep all four running, so long as I had someone bringing supplies and moving the output. The boss was used to seeing three guys in the print shop and was floored when he'd see me alone in there. That company paid well and gave us great benefits. Then IBM took over the Equifax account and while the pay was still good, it wasn't managed as well as EDS.
I once thought that these outrageous bag fees goes directly to these people, but no they mostly go to the stockholders who are far removed from the business.
Now why would you think bag fees going directly to bag handlers? It’s not a tip. Did you know that bags require fuel and space in an airplane to move them from one place to another? Bag handlers touch the bags maybe 1 minute during the entire journey lol
I'm an IAM member. I have had three, fairly minor, surgeries over the last couple of months. I have paid a total of $230. My union dues drop to $3 while I'm out of work. And thanks to PFMLA I don't have to worry about a pay check while I heal up. And of course I make a living wage, in WA state just south of Seattle. The only reason this is possible is because of the union.
Ive done baggage detail in the Army. It fucking sucks. And that was only for a few hours at a time. Thank you to the folks doing it every day to keep our society moving.
@RobertWhittle-jo9iv Airlines barely break even while Ed Bastien pockets $34 million each and every year he's at Delta. Let's do the math together: After two years, that's $68 million. After three years, that's over $100 million. The cost of that plane ticket is not because the ramp workers have unionized and their salary is now $25 or $30 per hour.
They are addicts. The wealthy-class is made up of corrupt people who are more addicted to their lifestyles than the working-class people who are addicted to drugs. The addicts from the corrupt wealthy-class will NEVER willingly give up their addictions. In fact, they will use their corrupt RW-politics to fabricate situations(WARS) that cause working-class people to lose their lives before they will EVER give up their wealth & lifestyle-addictions. And, what's worse than the addicts in the corrupt wealthy-class are the desparate working-class dupes who will step on their fellow working-class mates just to become like the addicts in the corrupt wealthy-class.
Working UPS, I hearing the stories from the airport section, I feel that energy of 'we move 60k lbs of mail a day.' That stuff takes it out of you even with a machine.
Exactly, unionization benefits all of us. The employee, the company, and the customers receiving the services. This is made incredibly obvious by many different companies but the best to look at is UPS
Former Republic/Northwest ramp agent for 28yrs, I got out just before Delta took over. Proud union member all my life. Hope the employee"s make it this time. Delta needs a strong union.
Yeah, and what happened to those companies? They were union and now they are no longer. Unions are company killers slowly. Overtime unions kill the company and then all those people that were union. Don’t have a job. If you want more money, then make yourself more valuable to earn the money that you want. It’s quite simple.
I agree Captain, my brother as a ramp rat in Detroit and he and his colleagues work under very harsh conditions, especially if they are working the De-Icing station in -20 degree weather with the wind blowing at 15 mph or higher.
Ever since anti-union propaganda got traced back to Charles and David Koch, their sponsored propaganda has been slightly less effective. Economic discrepancies exacerbated by the pandemic further helped the public realize how raw of a deal they've been getting since the '980s.
Moving objects, even if it's light, like under 5 pounds, takes a toll on you. I was a temp driver for Reddy Ice for several months. Each day we had about 15-20 stops, going to gas stations, convenience stores restocking the ice bags. Even though I wore gloves, handling the ice bags hundreds, thousands of times a day wore away my fingertips.
@@InvisibleHotdog Because of Dodge v Ford and eBay v Newmark, even executives with a conscience can't take any measures to mitigate such crises without getting themselves sued.
@@aphil066 Lol... try harder... $37 if you top out in 10 years, 10 years!!! But even with that, you dont even know how bad and expensive the health insurance is. And why dont you mention how Delta cut Full-time 40 hour work weeks? So yea, try harder next time.
Delta airlines always have screwed below wing staff. Back in 2009, I caught Station managers changing delay codes a week after the flight and changed it to flight crew delays. So that managers can get on time bonuses. It was never caught. They're probably still doing it today.
Having limited sick days off is such a dystopian concept to me. I'm lucky in the country I live we have unlimited by law, cos I get sick more than 7 days a year, and I don't choose when, how, how much or with what. When you're sick, days aren't off, it's exhausting to recover. I hope the best for Americans, and I do wish this stronger labour movement pushes you all forwards
This video is so triggering. 20 year flight attendant here, been off work for 2 years now due to a work injury. I lost everything, had to live in a homeless shelter. I’m going through a workers comp lawsuit now. Your just a number.
Me too. I got OJI at an airline job. The work doctors just stopped treating me, dropped me from Workman's Comp payments without notice. I was injured, in severe pain, and couldn't return to work. I lost everything. They throw you away the first chance they get. Nearly 13 years of hard work and dedication - and I was discarded and forgotten within days.
I can’t believe that these are the conditions in the US. That’s what’s needed are more unions. People need to be smarter. Everything is going up except wages for workers. You see corporations making billions in profits per quarter. CEOs making millions per year but when workers want a raise you hear well prices will go up but you don’t hear it when it’s time to pay CEOs.
My annual union dues of approx $400 has gotten people raises of over 10% in the last 4 years...with wages of $15-45/hr, that's equating to over $3000-9000 per year now. That's better than ANY other investment.
🍀 As a former TWA gate agent & Jet Blue Flight Attendant - I just want to say that you all are so appreciated !! The $$ you earn as a ramp, gate, FA are always low, and working towards "seniority" is a joke! Pay these people what they deserve (and can LIVE off of)! I don't know how these CEOs sleep at night ??!
@@reneecollin8825 Sadly, they sleep well at night because they are doing the bidding of Wall Street. Gotta make those quarterly results look good so that Ed Bastian can get his spot on CNBC with Phil Le Beau. Remember, Ed Bastian was groomed by former Delta CEO, Richard Anderson who was an attorney. That says it all right there.
Yeah, I just lost one of my vacation weeks when my husband was in the hospital and had to use FMLA just to make sure I didn't lose my job. I only get two vacation weeks, so I guess that hospital stay was my vacation. Also, when I tried to file a workers comp claim for chronic back pain from working at the ticket counter, they called it normal aging and denied it since there was no injury incident that could be proven as work related. Oddly enough, when I switched to working at the gates, my back significantly improved. Not completely, but enough that I'm not limping when I get home from work and no amount of "proper lifting" fixed anything. When your spine is being compressed with 50+ lb weights for 8 hours a day, you feel it eventually.
@sejensen92 aww so sorry! I remember how (because we worked at a smaller/mid size station) we would work the ramp 1 week a month, and ticket/gate 3 weeks. Working TBE ramp was the hardest thing I've experienced. Bags heavy as sh*t, tugs would cut off (had to wait for backup) which caused delays !! So as a ticket agent and a bag was over the weight limit I would ask the pax to reshuffle/delete something so they would be charged, but MAINLY make it easy for the handlers - smh. Plz take care, and know that I appreciated you all & the hard (back breaking) job that you do!💖🌸
A relative was a mechanic for Northwest when the company broke the union after MN helped bailed out the airline. He left the field as he didn’t want to cross the picket line.
ramp work is BRUTAL - just being out in the elements alone doing that strenuous physical labor takes it out of you, there's so much dangerous moving machinery all around you, communication is hard (due to noise/hearing protection) and gets even more difficult between sunset and sunrise. then there's having to crawl into the bellies of the planes to load luggage or cargo: those compartments only have about 3-4 ft height clearance at best and get shorter toward the far ends of the compartments; if you're lucky there will be a belt or rollers to move it along the length of a compartment, but you still have to stack them, so imagine being kneeling/crouching into a 3-ft high compartment and trying to lift and maneuver 50+ lb bags to cram as many in as possible. 4:07 it's so sad and frustrating that people look at this single figure and make decisions based on that, because in every case it's not just about the take-home cash pay, when you look at total benefits compensation unionized employees make far and away more than non-unionized, plus guarantees of minimum hours, better vacation and holiday pay... AND you have an advocate to help protect you from the company. final fun fact: did you know that one of the few remaining exemptions for lead additives in fuel is aviation fuel?
I've never been payed less and worked harder in my life working ramp lol. I loved it though. I got to go through being unionized at UGE (Uniteds version of DGS).
I remember when Delta was in trouble begging Wall Street for help decades ago. The Delta pilot union executive committee was busting ass negotiating trying to get funding. While it was happening the rank and file pilots wanted to make sure a deal would continue their free USA Today newspapers at layover hotels. The CEO took all of the credit as well.
I was a ramp agent for a few years in my late teens and early 20’s. It’s a hard, sweaty, and dangerous job. When I did the job, the starting pay was $6.75/hr in 1996.
In remote workplaces, bosses can pretty much disappear organizers that get caught. I'm speaking from experience as a workplace organizer who's had this happen to her - I was still able to get in touch with coworkers but there was no announcement of my firing, I was just suddenly gone.
I recently lost my job at a major airline. I was a baggage handler for over a decade. On an average day, a ramper moves 30,000 lbs of freight and luggage- which is 2/3 the wight of a Boeing 737-700. During peak travel seasons, we can lift the weight's worth of an entire aircraft in one day. Rain or shine, if a plane can take off, we load them. Heat waves, blizzards, humidity, downpours, dust storms, wind... There are no heating, cooling, or fan systems in the aircraft bins. Workers are regularly exposed to toxic fumes and physical hazards. I lost half my finger in a crush accident, and my lumbar disks are all herniated or compressed. And the things passengers pack can harm, too. I've picked up a suitcase and been cut by broken glass, stabbed by a knife, scraped by broken parts, impaled by safety pins, attacked by an ant colony, jabbed by a pickaxe, smashed by a bowling ball, pinched by folding strollers, burned by metal parts... not to mention being drenched in wine, perfume, liquor, soaps, animal blood, fish juices, and other mystery liquids. So, do they deserve a union and a raise? YES!
Don't remind me of the fish juices. 🤢 I work above wing, but have handled enough stinky and questionable items to last a life time just from working at the baggage office and ticket counter. And when you're supposed to look all professional, it gets even trickier. Try to not pop buttons off your vest or get dirt, fish juices, and engine lube on your uniform while lifting properly. And I will never go back to a closing baggage office shift if I can help it. If you're a fan of getting yelled at by every other passenger then told you did a claim wrong by approving it, be my guest. But it was not my thing.
Land of the free doesn’t mean violating other peoples rights by using pressure groups to steal property or forcing the company owners to bend to your will because of whatever envy and entitlement you hold
Hold Delta accountable!!! Yes It’s patronizing for these billionaire dollar companies to try and discourage workers from doing what’s in their best interests
@@whatsonhermindblog123 I want you to go and start your own business and work to grow your business and have people invest in your business to help grow your business and then you tell me how much work all that is, then only to have the people that you hire complain about it.
Thank you, Ted Kennedy and airline deregulation. My dad worked for National Airlines and Pan AM, I worked for Eastern Air Lines.....everything went down after that.
I call bullshit on Delta for having unionized pilots who got 34% pay raise through 2026 and the dispatchers being unionized. It they have unions the rest should have unions and get treated the same as the princess pilots do. How is it a union group will work at a non union shop anyway?
Why don’t you rampers go and study to become a mechanic or pilot instead of working on the ramp which is a dead end job that requires no education I am not trying to be mean but no employer will pay uneducated worker higher pay examples are surgeon compared to burger flipping,it is what it is
Because pilots, dispatchers, ramp agents, etc. all usually fall into different specialty unions who understand the needs of that core work group and have experience representing that working group. So you can’t just have one large union representing everyone at the company in this instance due to the large number of specialized positions. Therefore, each group, if not already unionized, would need to fund and organize their own union drive. Lastly, I’m not a Delta Pilot, but I am a pilot for a competitor here in the US, and I’m certain they had to deal with the same B.S. that we did/constantly do. Let me tell you, that “princess pilot group” had to fight tooth and nail for everything they have, most likely donated extra money out of their own pockets month after month, year after year to pool extra money for lawyers and negotiations. Had their CBA violated at every convenience to the company, dealt with stalled negotiations and scare tactics, etc. you name it. And this isn’t me talking down on any position, but go ahead and apply for a pilot position at a legacy/major US airline and just see how hard it is to even get looked at. You better have a squeaky clean record, no training issues, no speeding tickets or any driving infractions, no mental health issues, solid four year GPA, leadership experience, etc. on top of the thousands of hours of flight time required. It took me eight years (which isn’t uncommon) to sit in the right seat of an Airbus, coupled with the cost of my education ($200k), the horrendous jobs I worked all over the US, substandard food stamp eligible pay, six days a week, 14 hours a day, for years. Companies love leaving that part out every time they want to bring up our “the princess pilots” pay, raises and schedules. It isn’t “us vs. you” but companies love to pose it that way. I really hope these guys and gals get everything they’re asking for.
I'm a retired Delta Flight Attendant. I was an AFA union organizer at Delta. Delta will spend millions fighting a union, and give it's employees crumbs. Here's a fact. I was hired in 1988, and Delta has always had a social security offset pension. In other words, when you turn 62, your pension is subtracted from whatever your ss check is. You are penalized for collecting ss. My Delta check is peanuts. Sick leave was always the worst in the industry at Delta. I wish you guys the best in your union objectives. You guys work too hard, not to be compensated.
If you have to unionize all at once, you never will. All they have to do is quietly hire a percentage of new workers each time and incentivize them not to unionize.
Actually Southwest & United are the only airlines that have majority union ramp workforce. The rest of them mainly use subcontractors, especially outside of their hubs.
Southwest is rather anomalous in having most of their crew being in-house. Props to them for that. By the way, for those curious: United's current collective bargaining agreement with the Machinists dictates that core work at the following line stations (i.e. those which do not constitute any of the airline's hubs, which are also covered under the same clause) shall not be outsourced to contract vendors: ATL, AUS, BIL, BOS, BWI, CLE, COS, DCA, DFW, FLL, HNL, IND, KOA, LIH, OGG, JFK, LAS, LGA, MCO, MIA, MSP, MSY, PDX, PHL, PHX, PIT, RDU, RNO, SAN, SAT, SJC, SLC, SEA, SNA, TPA, and TUL.
That's right brother! We had a union at Northwest Airlines and they let crappy Delta airlines merge with us and ruined the whole airline! Bring in I.A.M.!!!
It’s obvious why employers try to dissuade employees from joining a union, but I can’t understand why so many employees vote against organising when they have the opportunity 😞
It’s because the union is not all that it’s cracked up to be. I worked for Delta and I do not share this guy’s outlook or mindset. I feel they treat us very good. I love working in nonunion environment with non-union people. I’ve worked for a union and it’s a horrible workplace. Unionized people have the worst work ethic.
Where do you think all those illegals that have been let in our country over the past 4 years are going? Going to do your job for less than half $. Government powers and corporations powers at work together… Against Americans.
When does this end? How much more money is needed to float their value to shareholders. I started after the military in Union jobs, but recessions shook the country. I, as many, searched and took positions anywhere - only to experience the loss again. But I quickly saw the difference in union vs non union positions, so disturbing. Retired now, but I am humbled 68.
@justing42 as stated, not in a year or two, not in a position(offered) beyond union. I understand your comment about dues, which in "right to work states" designed to regulate union influence. But your understanding and experience in this area are limited. I have seen both, struggled and am comfortable in retirement. My worries are for you and those to come. Read factual history ....and ....look at gig workers exploited by venture capital. Wish you well...and...hope you're not thinking about this a few years from now...there are no do-overs any more
It really depends which Union you have. Some unions don’t even make a difference and take your money every month and cause so much drama between management and the employees. I’ve also been terminated with being under IAM with United. Employees get far much more without the union from Delta, verses United and American with the Union. So choose wisely. So be careful.
Been flying with another major carrier for 25 years now. My airline went through several mergers. I hate to say it but this is the airline industry folks. I am NOT saying that any of it is right. It's a cut throat business and YOU have to make the decision if you want to be a part of it. It's very difficult when you bring other employees over from a merger. They are bitter and stay bitter. You will forever hear "we didn't do it like that at ...." I am in full support of what these people are trying to do but remember it really is David and Goliath. David won but you are still up against a giant. Becoming a problem for an airline has it's own challenges. I hope these folks get what they are asking for.
I’m a Delta SkyMiles member. Delta needs to step up immediately. I’ll be keeping watch on this. I’m embarrassed for the company. We pay premium to fly Delta. Your employees deserve the same.
Don’t believe this guy, not everyone at Delta feels the way he does, that’s why there’s not a union. I would say 80% or more of the people are against unionization at Delta.
Delta is one of the most expensive airlines in the country. They certainly can afford to also be one of the highest wage-paying airlines in the nation as well.
Top management make 100-1000 times more than the ones who do actual WORK. These greedy bastards need to take pay cuts so more money goes to the people who slave day and night to feed their families.
3 or 4 of the ceos annual 34 million could change the lives of 300-400 employees throwing them an extra 10,000$ a year He could still be rich. 3-400 people could stop worrying. Maybe buy the groceries they want. Replace there car every 5 years instead of 10
If you get a union keep an eye on the bosses. I remember years back it was learned the female boss of the A/A flight attendant union was getting all kinds of perks and bennies from A/A management including free lifetime positive space first class passes for her and the family. Some would call that a conflict or for me payoffs.
We found out the hard way if you don't have a union contract, whatever your corporation has promised you in writing can disappear overnight. It was a while ago, but I think is was 20 years and I had 18. No more pension. Ask anyone who worked for a major corporation around 1995 what happened to real pensions if they didn't have enough years in. Promised in writing every single year meant nothing.
I was a ramp agent for Piedmont Airlines from 1987 to 1989. I was being paid 6.25 an hour which at the time was practically double the minimum wage at the time. I was in my 20's, it was hard work, and killed your knees and back working in the cargo holds. Back then I could lift myself into the cargo hold of a Boeing 727, which was like neck high!
JFK management left me to die on a SDQ flight when i had an asthma attack 2 years ago when we had that major nationwide delay due to the polar blast on christmas eve of 2022. I find out one of my previous coworkers died in a Lav truck. You probably heard about it.
And just had a delta flight where all four flight legs had mechanical issues. It was probably related to this. Gound crews are not getting paid enough.
Learning what? What one small group of people at accompany thinking feel, what about the 80% of us? They don’t want a union and that’s why we haven’t unionized.
Part time should be limited to 5% of the workforce (10% for smaller companies). Very few people actually want part time employment and Delta has no excuse.
To provide a frame of reference, United's contract with the IAM for their ramp workers dictates that the ratio between full time and part time staff must be at least 52 (min FT) to 48 (max PT) across the entire system, and at least 60:40 if the company has less than 9660 full time ramp agents in active service.
@@729MendicantTide Thank you for providing the facts! I suppose Delta's argument might be peak hours/days for travel, since it's certainly not a constant flow. However, I don't think that the burden should be placed on the worker for a failure in creative scheduling. There must be something else that ramp agents can do during slow hours, such as washing equipment, stocking concessions, finding my damn bags, etc.
@@theelderbrain As I said, that FT/PT ratio is systemwide. Of course, it's definitely more viable to staff more personnel full time at a hub where one ought to crew six flights a day on average (which easily happens on those kinds of stations), whereas on a smaller line station, the ground crew there are either outsourced (most common), mostly PT, or just that small single FT crew with a handful of PT stragglers to cover outages.
I never knew! I fly Delta because of their employees. I feel respected and appreciated by them. Good luck, Delta! Wishing you all all the best. Oh, and their Airbus fleet.😊
Well, not everyone at Delta feels the way this guy does. I work for Delta and I love the company. They take very good care of us and I hope we never unionize ever I would quit before I work for a union again and then I would find a job that’s not union.
My grandparents worked 50 years for Delta Airlines since they moved to Atlanta in 1942. The unions have tried hard to break into Delta. There is also a GOOD reason they haven’t been able to.
Let's get brutally honest in that most of America's lowest paying labor intensive jobs are manned by non Whites and it's been that way since the end of slavery and that's the honest truth. In the 1970s American unions had their highest number of Black workers and the powers that be back then didn't like the fact that descendants of slaves had a voice for the first in labor decisions and that was frowned upon so they began the Neo Liberal movement in which a majority of America's manufacturing jobs were sent away for cheap labor sans labor rules and regulations.
Can you investigate how/why airline workers are subjected to the flaws in the Railway Labor Act (RLA). Having experienced firsthand the impact of these flaws on work and operational efficiencies. The Railway Labor Act, enacted in 1926, was intended to ensure stable labor relations and prevent disruptions in the railroad and airline sectors. However, several inherent flaws have become increasingly apparent, particularly in my own experiences! It is 2024 and little to no changes have made to benefit the worker!
In 1982 employees were so happy they bought a $30 million plane for the company. In the 1990s Delta did pay-cuts company wide except for management. Management laid off 1000s and then for the first time hired temporary workers. Sound like there are employees not happy today.
You got your fax wrong. Delta did not have a layoff in the 90s. The only layoff that happened at Delta was after 911. was a part of that layoff and they did everything they could to lay off as few people as possible
Both me and my wife worked as a ramp agents for amazon in florida and both of us had to resign due to cost of living being so high in the state forcing us to move out since amazon is unequally paying the florida air hub compared to the others in Kentucky, California and Texas (the florida air hub is making $17 while the other hubs make $23!). Both me and my wife loved working the ramp and being around aircraft since for me at least, it was fun and got me close and driven to pursue something further in aviation. However after me and my left amazon and started looking at other airlines for ramp agent positions, Jesus, I had no idea that in most of these airlines the employees in almost all these airlines have it worse! I refuse to work and doing a hazardous job at $16 to $17 an hour. A job like this should be making at minimum $25 an hour or close to what an airline a&p mechanic makes. It's only right to ask for this if an airline and it's customers are to expect great service that starts and ends on the ramp!
My wife is a delta Flight Attendant she wants a union so badly the company recently went so far as to say employees can only wear U.S. flags after some employees went viral with Palestinian flags on there uniforms the delta twitter then said that it was the Hamas flag and came out against there employees now flight attendants can no longer wear flags of country’s they travel to even when going to those places and speaking the language absolutely unacceptable. It also being used to suppress any kind of pride flags as well.
nothing wrong with any of that. It’s a private company…you agree to follow their rules. Delta flight attendants get paid before they go wheels up…ask the unionized ones if they get that.
Delta treats their FAs like dogsht. Most FAs are sheeple and won't support a union. The Delta CEO sets the tone for the company so he is likely a giant terd
I worked fueling Delta's airplanes at MSP one summer in 2010. Was paid ten bucks an hour by a separate company (that's changed names since). Old timers told us how fuelers made twice that in the 1980s. I injured my back and quit. It was not a glamorous job.
Why do they have a pilot union but no flight attendant or ramp union? Everyone including the pilots should be on board together for more leverage seeing experienced commercial pilots aren’t a dime a dozen. Probably more complicated than that.
I worked at UPS a month before becoming an Attorney. After that experience I respect UPS & FedEx workers because that is difficult work! I couldn’t wait to quit that job!
Gotta love companies that tell you not to lift more than a certain weight by yourself, and then pressure employees to break that rule.
Yes. That is laughable. IBM told us not to lift more than 25 lbs. And made us take back safety courses that said the same thing. Back then, a hard drive in a mainframe disk drive weighed 89 lbs and you had to line it up perfectly to get it to slid in on rails onto pins. Some power supplies were 125 lbs. At least those were at the bottom of the frame of the machines. Your manager and co-workers would be really unhappy if you called someone in on overtime to assist.
@@Growmap I worked for EDS and they were the greatest employer of my career. They acquired our data center at Equifax, we did credit card and check processing for thousands of small banks and credit unions. Under Eqfx management the hardware was from the stone age and the mainframe would crash several times a day, it was a nightmare. When EDS took over, the whole shop was stocked with state of the art everything. The CPU was capable of running three companies processing and it would run or batch cycles so fast, we would finish nightly processing hours ahead of schedule. Digital storage meant no waiting for tape mounts, tape silos for data that needed to go offsite gave the tape guys time to ear and do crosswords. The print room got four twinned ultra high speed lasers with roll feeders and folding tables, 400 pages per minute printing the form and data front and back. I could keep all four running, so long as I had someone bringing supplies and moving the output. The boss was used to seeing three guys in the print shop and was floored when he'd see me alone in there.
That company paid well and gave us great benefits. Then IBM took over the Equifax account and while the pay was still good, it wasn't managed as well as EDS.
Home Depot, aka Home Disability
@@Eric-ACDid the same to me. I did clearly labeled team lifts by myself almost daily due to them not staffing enough people.
Nursing as well.
These workers deserve LIVABLE WAGES …and people need to appreciate airline staff for everything they do for the passengers.
They do get livable wages. They make more than me and I'm a commercial contractor
I'll start appreciating them when they start treating me like a human being and not an inconvenience to them 😂
@@SgtJoeSmithThis is such a stupid statement. Im impressed you had the thought and decided to actually share it.
@@SgtJoeSmithmaybe you are poor too
@Jasaub I am. Cause my employees are too greedy and won't let me have a living wage
I once thought that these outrageous bag fees goes directly to these people, but no they mostly go to the stockholders who are far removed from the business.
? This is not an employee owned company all profits go to the shareholders and top tier echelon of Delta! Now we know.
Now why would you think bag fees going directly to bag handlers? It’s not a tip. Did you know that bags require fuel and space in an airplane to move them from one place to another? Bag handlers touch the bags maybe 1 minute during the entire journey lol
@@Burnlit1337 this has to be satire? Unbelievable.
@@inb2551you’re obviously very uninformed. Every Feb 14th, all employees receive a profit sharing check.
Employees get a bonus cut based off the previous years profit
I'm an IAM member. I have had three, fairly minor, surgeries over the last couple of months. I have paid a total of $230. My union dues drop to $3 while I'm out of work. And thanks to PFMLA I don't have to worry about a pay check while I heal up. And of course I make a living wage, in WA state just south of Seattle. The only reason this is possible is because of the union.
I am an IAM union as well, it feels so great to have some support!
I wish I didn't live in a red state. Mechanics aren't treated that well.
@@nrgpup77what does a red state have to do with you forming a union? Lmfao that’s a people not wanting or advocating for a union problem
@@Dee-ye2dk note your own comment, googlefu legislation, observe ratio of union to non union
@@nrgpup77I’d have to agree, what you said made no sense.
Ive done baggage detail in the Army. It fucking sucks. And that was only for a few hours at a time. Thank you to the folks doing it every day to keep our society moving.
CEOs should be ashamed at how Greedy they are. 😒 Ridiculous to have people feeling like this, to treat people like this, is sick.
If they had shame they would never be able to become a CEO.
They can afford to have no shame.
@RobertWhittle-jo9iv Airlines barely break even while Ed Bastien pockets $34 million each and every year he's at Delta. Let's do the math together: After two years, that's $68 million. After three years, that's over $100 million. The cost of that plane ticket is not because the ramp workers have unionized and their salary is now $25 or $30 per hour.
@RobertWhittle-jo9iv Most of the ticket price goes to stock holders especially with stock buy backs, the workers should get their fair share
They are addicts. The wealthy-class is made up of corrupt people who are more addicted to their lifestyles than the working-class people who are addicted to drugs. The addicts from the corrupt wealthy-class will NEVER willingly give up their addictions. In fact, they will use their corrupt RW-politics to fabricate situations(WARS) that cause working-class people to lose their lives before they will EVER give up their wealth & lifestyle-addictions.
And, what's worse than the addicts in the corrupt wealthy-class are the desparate working-class dupes who will step on their fellow working-class mates just to become like the addicts in the corrupt wealthy-class.
Working UPS, I hearing the stories from the airport section, I feel that energy of 'we move 60k lbs of mail a day.' That stuff takes it out of you even with a machine.
Yeah but how many of the people will file grievances that are false.
@Hunter96187 why are you simping for mega corporations bro? They don't give a fuck about you
@@Hunter96187probably similar to the amount of senior execs committing fraud
@@Hunter96187 No need to. Management will give you *plenty* of legitimate reasons to file a grievance.
@@Hunter96187how many people do you know filling false reports?
And the most heavily unionized airline is Southwest, and yet they have the lowest rates. Delta = Greed.
That Part
I haven’t flown much lately, but they’re the main ones I look for with tickets. I haven’t been let down with any flight I’ve had with them yet.
Exactly, unionization benefits all of us. The employee, the company, and the customers receiving the services. This is made incredibly obvious by many different companies but the best to look at is UPS
Boom!!!!!!!
@@whatsonhermindblog123 Was that supposed to be logical?
Former Republic/Northwest ramp agent for 28yrs, I got out just before Delta took over. Proud union member all my life.
Hope the employee"s make it this time. Delta needs a strong union.
U d0nt know any better then. The new unions are w0rse than previous
@@kingofthecastlegooglelie5150 ?
@@kingofthecastlegooglelie5150 ?
@@kingofthecastlegooglelie5150 IAM was the same union Northwest workers had. It's the same union.
Yeah, and what happened to those companies? They were union and now they are no longer. Unions are company killers slowly. Overtime unions kill the company and then all those people that were union. Don’t have a job. If you want more money, then make yourself more valuable to earn the money that you want. It’s quite simple.
As a pilot, rampers should be paid well. Those dudes WORK
I agree Captain, my brother as a ramp rat in Detroit and he and his colleagues work under very harsh conditions, especially if they are working the De-Icing station in -20 degree weather with the wind blowing at 15 mph or higher.
I'd love to be a pilot. I'll trade you!
Yep, I did this work thru college, its hard work and its dangerous. I always think about it when I'm sitting on the flight deck, very appreciative.
And Dudettes. I was a lady-ramper for a decade. I lifted 30,000 lbs of luggage and freight every day... and I did it while pregnant!
It's about time these workers unionize.
Yep. And companies regularly try to prevent them from doing it.
Ever since anti-union propaganda got traced back to Charles and David Koch, their sponsored propaganda has been slightly less effective. Economic discrepancies exacerbated by the pandemic further helped the public realize how raw of a deal they've been getting since the '980s.
My union I just got Fd. Got a raise and now I make less money.
lol. How did that work out for eastern airlines? Unions are parasites. They sick their hosts to death.
😂 Flex didn't learn with Northwest? He should've found another job with a union
Moving objects, even if it's light, like under 5 pounds, takes a toll on you. I was a temp driver for Reddy Ice for several months. Each day we had about 15-20 stops, going to gas stations, convenience stores restocking the ice bags. Even though I wore gloves, handling the ice bags hundreds, thousands of times a day wore away my fingertips.
My daughter does ramp, cargo and towing and loves it. Thankfully united airlines does have a union force and I keep reminding her to stay involved!
United’s union is a joke
@@mikethompson3534most of them are
I think about these workers whenever I fly.
Hoping they don't break or lose your luggage?😂
@@AB0BA_69no. thankful there’s hard working men doing the hard work and wishing they would be compensated for it.
Do you think you should pay more on your ticket so that Delta can compensate them more?
@@Name-jw4sj We pay more on tickets to compensate CEOs multi-million dollars yearly bonus and stock buy backs for share holders 😂😂😂
@@Name-jw4sjthey make decent money
It's sad that labor workers aren't asking for much. Just livable wages and livable benefits.
That's too much for shareholders
@@InvisibleHotdog Because of Dodge v Ford and eBay v Newmark, even executives with a conscience can't take any measures to mitigate such crises without getting themselves sued.
I don’t understand the reasoning for this because I use to work there and was paid well plus the bonuses were amazing.
$37+ an hour is not livable?
@@aphil066
Lol... try harder... $37 if you top out in 10 years, 10 years!!! But even with that, you dont even know how bad and expensive the health insurance is. And why dont you mention how Delta cut Full-time 40 hour work weeks?
So yea, try harder next time.
Every employee should have mental health days, paid vacation, paid family leave, and a 401K - PERIOD
They do. Delta provides a lot of this and the employees are paid well.
@@JKrepJC but do they provide all of it? Nope, they don’t. These companies need to be kept on a short leash. That’s how to hold power to account.
You don't need an employer to have a retirement savings account.
@@whatsonhermindblog123 you're welcome to contribute and pay for all these things in the company you create. I'll wait.
It's better to have a retirement savings account through an employer.
Delta airlines always have screwed below wing staff. Back in 2009, I caught Station managers changing delay codes a week after the flight and changed it to flight crew delays. So that managers can get on time bonuses. It was never caught. They're probably still doing it today.
😮 this is terrible
Having limited sick days off is such a dystopian concept to me. I'm lucky in the country I live we have unlimited by law, cos I get sick more than 7 days a year, and I don't choose when, how, how much or with what. When you're sick, days aren't off, it's exhausting to recover. I hope the best for Americans, and I do wish this stronger labour movement pushes you all forwards
@@TheRealTommyR Spain
@@TheRealTommyR they're not even the nicest, France normally takes the cake on those
I’m an American who lived in Barcelona for ten years and I benefited from the social medicine there. It’s very humane, not like here in the US.
@@javiskii a dud sissy Euro country of course.
@@javiskii well maybe you should talk to your politicians about that. They’re the ones that set the minimum sick time that company must provide.
Man loves a sunrise. Hell yeah.
Corporations are despicable.
What is a corporation?
As a former teacher I think teacher tenure is despicable. Unions do have a bad side.
And they own the world too….slavelandia!
@@bevinboulder5039 they provide a service that you choose. What does gubment do?
The corporation is the one providing the job in the first place. Your mentality is horrible.
I stand with everyone who wishes to unionize ❤️✊🏽
I just told my HR lady that if she buys me a ps6 when it drops and a couple games that I will quit being union. She told me to gtfo her office.
❤
Should of asked her if she takes little debby trades
1:35 as a ramp worker myself you don't get fresh air. You get to be around fumes and dust all the time.
i am too, i couldn't stifle a laugh when i heard that line. what a bootlicker.
@@christina3maria lol, we should all get our lungs compared to healthy lungs. I wonder how much they'd have to pay out
that’s what you signed up for
This video is so triggering. 20 year flight attendant here, been off work for 2 years now due to a work injury. I lost everything, had to live in a homeless shelter. I’m going through a workers comp lawsuit now. Your just a number.
Everybody is just a number.
May I ask how was you injured on the job?
Me too. I got OJI at an airline job. The work doctors just stopped treating me, dropped me from Workman's Comp payments without notice. I was injured, in severe pain, and couldn't return to work. I lost everything. They throw you away the first chance they get. Nearly 13 years of hard work and dedication - and I was discarded and forgotten within days.
😩🙏🏾
I can’t believe that these are the conditions in the US. That’s what’s needed are more unions. People need to be smarter. Everything is going up except wages for workers. You see corporations making billions in profits per quarter. CEOs making millions per year but when workers want a raise you hear well prices will go up but you don’t hear it when it’s time to pay CEOs.
My annual union dues of approx $400 has gotten people raises of over 10% in the last 4 years...with wages of $15-45/hr, that's equating to over $3000-9000 per year now. That's better than ANY other investment.
Not to mention the health insurance. That costs a fortune.
Thank you for practicing solidarity.
Unrelated, but Flex McGhee is a name so cool it should have its own character arc in an Elmore Leonard novel.
🍀 As a former TWA gate agent & Jet Blue Flight Attendant - I just want to say that you all are so appreciated !! The $$ you earn as a ramp, gate, FA are always low, and working towards "seniority" is a joke! Pay these people what they deserve (and can LIVE off of)! I don't know how these CEOs sleep at night ??!
They sleep very well in their million dollar homes lol
@@reneecollin8825
Sadly, they sleep well at night because they are doing the bidding of Wall Street. Gotta make those quarterly results look good so that Ed Bastian can get his spot on CNBC with Phil Le Beau. Remember, Ed Bastian was groomed by former Delta CEO, Richard Anderson who was an attorney. That says it all right there.
@@DeaconChriss When you do not have integrity you sleep good LoL
Yeah, I just lost one of my vacation weeks when my husband was in the hospital and had to use FMLA just to make sure I didn't lose my job. I only get two vacation weeks, so I guess that hospital stay was my vacation. Also, when I tried to file a workers comp claim for chronic back pain from working at the ticket counter, they called it normal aging and denied it since there was no injury incident that could be proven as work related. Oddly enough, when I switched to working at the gates, my back significantly improved. Not completely, but enough that I'm not limping when I get home from work and no amount of "proper lifting" fixed anything. When your spine is being compressed with 50+ lb weights for 8 hours a day, you feel it eventually.
@sejensen92 aww so sorry! I remember how (because we worked at a smaller/mid size station) we would work the ramp 1 week a month, and ticket/gate 3 weeks. Working TBE ramp was the hardest thing I've experienced. Bags heavy as sh*t, tugs would cut off (had to wait for backup) which caused delays !! So as a ticket agent and a bag was over the weight limit I would ask the pax to reshuffle/delete something so they would be charged, but MAINLY make it easy for the handlers - smh. Plz take care, and know that I appreciated you all & the hard (back breaking) job that you do!💖🌸
I used to work on the ramp back in the 80s, I recall with all of the airlines that I received freight from, Delta was the worst to work with.
A relative was a mechanic for Northwest when the company broke the union after MN helped bailed out the airline. He left the field as he didn’t want to cross the picket line.
ramp work is BRUTAL - just being out in the elements alone doing that strenuous physical labor takes it out of you, there's so much dangerous moving machinery all around you, communication is hard (due to noise/hearing protection) and gets even more difficult between sunset and sunrise. then there's having to crawl into the bellies of the planes to load luggage or cargo: those compartments only have about 3-4 ft height clearance at best and get shorter toward the far ends of the compartments; if you're lucky there will be a belt or rollers to move it along the length of a compartment, but you still have to stack them, so imagine being kneeling/crouching into a 3-ft high compartment and trying to lift and maneuver 50+ lb bags to cram as many in as possible.
4:07 it's so sad and frustrating that people look at this single figure and make decisions based on that, because in every case it's not just about the take-home cash pay, when you look at total benefits compensation unionized employees make far and away more than non-unionized, plus guarantees of minimum hours, better vacation and holiday pay... AND you have an advocate to help protect you from the company.
final fun fact: did you know that one of the few remaining exemptions for lead additives in fuel is aviation fuel?
I've never been payed less and worked harder in my life working ramp lol. I loved it though. I got to go through being unionized at UGE (Uniteds version of DGS).
Don’t get me started on UGE.
I worked as ramp agent for a year. Worst job ive ever had
I remember when Delta was in trouble begging Wall Street for help decades ago. The Delta pilot union executive committee was busting ass negotiating trying to get funding. While it was happening the rank and file pilots wanted to make sure a deal would continue their free USA Today newspapers at layover hotels. The CEO took all of the credit as well.
What's your point? Top executives get free cars and gym memberships. And they fly private.
I was a ramp agent for a few years in my late teens and early 20’s. It’s a hard, sweaty, and dangerous job. When I did the job, the starting pay was $6.75/hr in 1996.
In remote workplaces, bosses can pretty much disappear organizers that get caught. I'm speaking from experience as a workplace organizer who's had this happen to her - I was still able to get in touch with coworkers but there was no announcement of my firing, I was just suddenly gone.
Increasing part time employees to reduce benefits while delaying or obstructing full time is a notable play from private equities.
Wish them luck with the Union vote.
I recently lost my job at a major airline. I was a baggage handler for over a decade.
On an average day, a ramper moves 30,000 lbs of freight and luggage- which is 2/3 the wight of a Boeing 737-700. During peak travel seasons, we can lift the weight's worth of an entire aircraft in one day. Rain or shine, if a plane can take off, we load them. Heat waves, blizzards, humidity, downpours, dust storms, wind... There are no heating, cooling, or fan systems in the aircraft bins. Workers are regularly exposed to toxic fumes and physical hazards. I lost half my finger in a crush accident, and my lumbar disks are all herniated or compressed. And the things passengers pack can harm, too. I've picked up a suitcase and been cut by broken glass, stabbed by a knife, scraped by broken parts, impaled by safety pins, attacked by an ant colony, jabbed by a pickaxe, smashed by a bowling ball, pinched by folding strollers, burned by metal parts... not to mention being drenched in wine, perfume, liquor, soaps, animal blood, fish juices, and other mystery liquids.
So, do they deserve a union and a raise? YES!
Don't remind me of the fish juices. 🤢 I work above wing, but have handled enough stinky and questionable items to last a life time just from working at the baggage office and ticket counter. And when you're supposed to look all professional, it gets even trickier. Try to not pop buttons off your vest or get dirt, fish juices, and engine lube on your uniform while lifting properly. And I will never go back to a closing baggage office shift if I can help it. If you're a fan of getting yelled at by every other passenger then told you did a claim wrong by approving it, be my guest. But it was not my thing.
Great video! Labor and professional unions should be a right in America, if we claim to be the land of the free.
Pick the j0b you like. You have choices, still freed0m s0 far.
Land of the free doesn’t mean violating other peoples rights by using pressure groups to steal property or forcing the company owners to bend to your will because of whatever envy and entitlement you hold
Hold Delta accountable!!! Yes
It’s patronizing for these billionaire dollar companies to try and discourage workers from doing what’s in their best interests
@@whatsonhermindblog123 I want you to go and start your own business and work to grow your business and have people invest in your business to help grow your business and then you tell me how much work all that is, then only to have the people that you hire complain about it.
God bless these people
Thank you, Ted Kennedy and airline deregulation. My dad worked for National Airlines and Pan AM, I worked for Eastern Air Lines.....everything went down after that.
I call bullshit on Delta for having unionized pilots who got 34% pay raise through 2026 and the dispatchers being unionized. It they have unions the rest should have unions and get treated the same as the princess pilots do. How is it a union group will work at a non union shop anyway?
Why don’t you rampers go and study to become a mechanic or pilot instead of working on the ramp which is a dead end job that requires no education I am not trying to be mean but no employer will pay uneducated worker higher pay examples are surgeon compared to burger flipping,it is what it is
That’s like saying cnas should be paid the same as dr’s.
No, while yes they need more pay.
Because pilots, dispatchers, ramp agents, etc. all usually fall into different specialty unions who understand the needs of that core work group and have experience representing that working group. So you can’t just have one large union representing everyone at the company in this instance due to the large number of specialized positions. Therefore, each group, if not already unionized, would need to fund and organize their own union drive. Lastly, I’m not a Delta Pilot, but I am a pilot for a competitor here in the US, and I’m certain they had to deal with the same B.S. that we did/constantly do. Let me tell you, that “princess pilot group” had to fight tooth and nail for everything they have, most likely donated extra money out of their own pockets month after month, year after year to pool extra money for lawyers and negotiations. Had their CBA violated at every convenience to the company, dealt with stalled negotiations and scare tactics, etc. you name it. And this isn’t me talking down on any position, but go ahead and apply for a pilot position at a legacy/major US airline and just see how hard it is to even get looked at. You better have a squeaky clean record, no training issues, no speeding tickets or any driving infractions, no mental health issues, solid four year GPA, leadership experience, etc. on top of the thousands of hours of flight time required. It took me eight years (which isn’t uncommon) to sit in the right seat of an Airbus, coupled with the cost of my education ($200k), the horrendous jobs I worked all over the US, substandard food stamp eligible pay, six days a week, 14 hours a day, for years. Companies love leaving that part out every time they want to bring up our “the princess pilots” pay, raises and schedules. It isn’t “us vs. you” but companies love to pose it that way. I really hope these guys and gals get everything they’re asking for.
You can't outsource pilots but you can outsource ramp work. Sad fact. Just ask Alaska Airlines (a Delta partner) about the Menzies in Seattle.
@@Tabby_Man_3 well said. from a ramp agent.
I'm a retired Delta Flight Attendant. I was an AFA union organizer at Delta. Delta will spend millions fighting a union, and give it's employees crumbs. Here's a fact. I was hired in 1988, and Delta has always had a social security offset pension. In other words, when you turn 62, your pension is subtracted from whatever your ss check is. You are penalized for collecting ss. My Delta check is peanuts. Sick leave was always the worst in the industry at Delta. I wish you guys the best in your union objectives. You guys work too hard, not to be compensated.
That is absolute horseshit. Always knew the Big D was rotten-but that one takes the cake.
they don’t work that hard.
Delta treats their FAs like dogsht. Period
If you have to unionize all at once, you never will. All they have to do is quietly hire a percentage of new workers each time and incentivize them not to unionize.
Perfect I hope that plan keeps working. I would hate to see another union at Delta.
Just as with the pilots, the planes don't fly without the ramp. Unionize!!!
@@Invictus1017 automation isn’t far away where will only need few for ramp. This will speed it up hopefully.
Yay unionize and destroy more jobs!
yeah they do…they will fly great without bags…it isn’t going anywhere if the engine doesn’t start. We mechanics can do their job…they can’t do ours.
As big as Delta is now, the employees need a union. Abuse and doing without will continue on until you get a union
The company has positions that they fill. It is a two-way agreement. If you don’t like your job find another one that pays what you want.
there isn’t “abuse”….nice try
I was a ramp agent at Southwest. It was awful. The company was fine but the job itself was shit. And it’s unionized.
The Delta CEO compensation was $34,214,328. I think Delta can afford to pay living wages and the majority of jobs should be unionized.
Corporate greed is disgusting
Actually Southwest & United are the only airlines that have majority union ramp workforce. The rest of them mainly use subcontractors, especially outside of their hubs.
Southwest is rather anomalous in having most of their crew being in-house. Props to them for that.
By the way, for those curious: United's current collective bargaining agreement with the Machinists dictates that core work at the following line stations (i.e. those which do not constitute any of the airline's hubs, which are also covered under the same clause) shall not be outsourced to contract vendors: ATL, AUS, BIL, BOS, BWI, CLE, COS, DCA, DFW, FLL, HNL, IND, KOA, LIH, OGG, JFK, LAS, LGA, MCO, MIA, MSP, MSY, PDX, PHL, PHX, PIT, RDU, RNO, SAN, SAT, SJC, SLC, SEA, SNA, TPA, and TUL.
@@729MendicantTideI live in PHX and fly with United as much as possible. My money dictates where I want to help
@@729MendicantTideyet there are little to no machinists covered by that useless union. Speaks volumes.
How can customers of Delta help the workers become unionized? We want to help!
This man speaking more truth than that dude on stage at the Rep. National Convention.
Not much truth was spoken on that stage.
Truth is a rare occurrence in politics.
@@handlemonium what did oh Jon Lewis do when alive? DAL HQ and ATL in his district. Nothing. But you kept voting for him for 40 yrs. 😂
@@USIscreaminEagles lol jokes on you I'm not even 400 months old 🤣
@@handlemoniumnah dawg your the one cryin about being a broke azz
That's right brother! We had a union at Northwest Airlines and they let crappy Delta airlines merge with us and ruined the whole airline! Bring in I.A.M.!!!
It’s obvious why employers try to dissuade employees from joining a union, but I can’t understand why so many employees vote against organising when they have the opportunity 😞
You answered your own question. Corporatism is so strong that they have normalized workers believing they don't deserve rights or fair pay.
It’s because the union is not all that it’s cracked up to be. I worked for Delta and I do not share this guy’s outlook or mindset. I feel they treat us very good. I love working in nonunion environment with non-union people. I’ve worked for a union and it’s a horrible workplace. Unionized people have the worst work ethic.
@@stevenyurkovic3089yep..unions protect the SLUGS
because unions suck
Where do you think all those illegals that have been let in our country over the past 4 years are going? Going to do your job for less than half $. Government powers and corporations powers at work together… Against Americans.
Delta will shut down before they let employees form a Union . All you have do is look at Philadelphia international Airport
good
Best of luck to you all in your struggle for unionization
When does this end? How much more money is needed to float their value to shareholders. I started after the military in Union jobs, but recessions shook the country. I, as many, searched and took positions anywhere - only to experience the loss again. But I quickly saw the difference in union vs non union positions, so disturbing. Retired now, but I am humbled 68.
non union folks like me don’t flush money down the toilet every paycheck for useless union dues
@justing42 as stated, not in a year or two, not in a position(offered) beyond union. I understand your comment about dues, which in "right to work states" designed to regulate union influence. But your understanding and experience in this area are limited. I have seen both, struggled and am comfortable in retirement. My worries are for you and those to come. Read factual history
....and ....look at gig workers exploited by venture capital. Wish you well...and...hope you're not thinking about this a few years from now...there are no do-overs any more
It really depends which Union you have. Some unions don’t even make a difference and take your money every month and cause so much drama between management and the employees. I’ve also been terminated with being under IAM with United. Employees get far much more without the union from Delta, verses United and American with the Union. So choose wisely. So be careful.
they all do that
Most corporations only give you a 1 to 3 percent raise, if you get one at all.
we get them frequently at Delta. And don’t have to ask or have someone ask for us
Been flying with another major carrier for 25 years now. My airline went through several mergers. I hate to say it but this is the airline industry folks. I am NOT saying that any of it is right. It's a cut throat business and YOU have to make the decision if you want to be a part of it. It's very difficult when you bring other employees over from a merger. They are bitter and stay bitter. You will forever hear "we didn't do it like that at ...." I am in full support of what these people are trying to do but remember it really is David and Goliath. David won but you are still up against a giant. Becoming a problem for an airline has it's own challenges. I hope these folks get what they are asking for.
"be in nature and feel that fresh air"...on an airport ramp???? yeah sure
I’m a Delta SkyMiles member. Delta needs to step up immediately. I’ll be keeping watch on this. I’m embarrassed for the company. We pay premium to fly Delta. Your employees deserve the same.
How can we support? I don’t think boycotting Delta will help, right? I’m a pretty consistent delta customer, but would be willing to switch.
Contact the CEO
Put delta in the hot seat on social media…..
Stuff like that I would say😊
Don’t believe this guy, not everyone at Delta feels the way he does, that’s why there’s not a union. I would say 80% or more of the people are against unionization at Delta.
yep! happily non union at DL
Delta is one of the most expensive airlines in the country. They certainly can afford to also be one of the highest wage-paying airlines in the nation as well.
I thought the most dangerous airline job was "Whistleblower"
Jk good to see you give these hard working people some platform
That's for manufactures.
hardworking…that word and rampers don’t go together
7 vacation days a year is absolutely disgusting
Solidarity from TWU!
Another useless union…they suck too.
Big Bank had me at “Flex McGee”. Love it! All joking aside, lots of us unsaid appreciate what u do.
Top management make 100-1000 times more than the ones who do actual WORK. These greedy bastards need to take pay cuts so more money goes to the people who slave day and night to feed their families.
3 or 4 of the ceos annual 34 million could change the lives of 300-400 employees throwing them an extra 10,000$ a year
He could still be rich. 3-400 people could stop worrying. Maybe buy the groceries they want. Replace there car every 5 years instead of 10
@@JL-yl8gd Delta has 90000 employees. $300 each. Then let’s hire an illiterate jr high dropout from college park as CEO and pay in weed.
if you hung out at an airport, you would see very few people slaving
@@JL-yl8gdmaybe do without a few things? latest phone etc etc…or are those “rights”
Thank you for sharing airline your experience.
If you get a union keep an eye on the bosses. I remember years back it was learned the female boss of the A/A flight attendant union was getting all kinds of perks and bennies from A/A management including free lifetime positive space first class passes for her and the family. Some would call that a conflict or for me payoffs.
We found out the hard way if you don't have a union contract, whatever your corporation has promised you in writing can disappear overnight. It was a while ago, but I think is was 20 years and I had 18. No more pension. Ask anyone who worked for a major corporation around 1995 what happened to real pensions if they didn't have enough years in. Promised in writing every single year meant nothing.
This is allover usa workers get the leftover and the ceo get the whole cake..
I was a ramp agent for Piedmont Airlines from 1987 to 1989. I was being paid 6.25 an hour which at the time was practically double the minimum wage at the time. I was in my 20's, it was hard work, and killed your knees and back working in the cargo holds. Back then I could lift myself into the cargo hold of a Boeing 727, which was like neck high!
Former ramp rat at an international airport. If the Delta folks think they have it bad, try working for JetBlew.
JFK management left me to die on a SDQ flight when i had an asthma attack 2 years ago when we had that major nationwide delay due to the polar blast on christmas eve of 2022. I find out one of my previous coworkers died in a Lav truck. You probably heard about it.
Note, formerly actually left BlueJet to go to delta. Despite all the Bs going on in the industry as a whole. Its better then BlueJet
And just had a delta flight where all four flight legs had mechanical issues. It was probably related to this. Gound crews are not getting paid enough.
After learning this I would boycott Delta
Southwest is the BEST!
Learning what? What one small group of people at accompany thinking feel, what about the 80% of us? They don’t want a union and that’s why we haven’t unionized.
4:10 $17/hr & $21/hr are both TOO LOW. For this kind of intense and grueling work, $30/hr should be the average and/or minimum, shoot probably $35/hr.
Part time should be limited to 5% of the workforce (10% for smaller companies). Very few people actually want part time employment and Delta has no excuse.
To provide a frame of reference, United's contract with the IAM for their ramp workers dictates that the ratio between full time and part time staff must be at least 52 (min FT) to 48 (max PT) across the entire system, and at least 60:40 if the company has less than 9660 full time ramp agents in active service.
@@729MendicantTide Thank you for providing the facts! I suppose Delta's argument might be peak hours/days for travel, since it's certainly not a constant flow. However, I don't think that the burden should be placed on the worker for a failure in creative scheduling. There must be something else that ramp agents can do during slow hours, such as washing equipment, stocking concessions, finding my damn bags, etc.
@@theelderbrain As I said, that FT/PT ratio is systemwide. Of course, it's definitely more viable to staff more personnel full time at a hub where one ought to crew six flights a day on average (which easily happens on those kinds of stations), whereas on a smaller line station, the ground crew there are either outsourced (most common), mostly PT, or just that small single FT crew with a handful of PT stragglers to cover outages.
@@theelderbrainthey don’t want to do their actual job
I never knew! I fly Delta because of their employees. I feel respected and appreciated by them. Good luck, Delta! Wishing you all all the best. Oh, and their Airbus fleet.😊
Well, not everyone at Delta feels the way this guy does. I work for Delta and I love the company. They take very good care of us and I hope we never unionize ever I would quit before I work for a union again and then I would find a job that’s not union.
@@stevenyurkovic3089EXACTLY…very happy to be non union at Delta.
SOLIDARITY!!!!
My grandparents worked 50 years for Delta Airlines since they moved to Atlanta in 1942. The unions have tried hard to break into Delta. There is also a GOOD reason they haven’t been able to.
a very good one
What is that good reason?
Let's get brutally honest in that most of America's lowest paying labor intensive jobs are manned by non Whites and it's been that way since the end of slavery and that's the honest truth. In the 1970s American unions had their highest number of Black workers and the powers that be back then didn't like the fact that descendants of slaves had a voice for the first in labor decisions and that was frowned upon so they began the Neo Liberal movement in which a majority of America's manufacturing jobs were sent away for cheap labor sans labor rules and regulations.
Can you investigate how/why airline workers are subjected to the flaws in the Railway Labor Act (RLA). Having experienced firsthand the impact of these flaws on work and operational efficiencies.
The Railway Labor Act, enacted in 1926, was intended to ensure stable labor relations and prevent disruptions in the railroad and airline sectors. However, several inherent flaws have become increasingly apparent, particularly in my own experiences!
It is 2024 and little to no changes have made to benefit the worker!
In 1982 employees were so happy they bought a $30 million plane for the company. In the 1990s Delta did pay-cuts company wide except for management. Management laid off 1000s and then for the first time hired temporary workers. Sound like there are employees not happy today.
You got your fax wrong. Delta did not have a layoff in the 90s. The only layoff that happened at Delta was after 911. was a part of that layoff and they did everything they could to lay off as few people as possible
@@stevenyurkovic3089and didn’t lay off during Covid either.
Both me and my wife worked as a ramp agents for amazon in florida and both of us had to resign due to cost of living being so high in the state forcing us to move out since amazon is unequally paying the florida air hub compared to the others in Kentucky, California and Texas (the florida air hub is making $17 while the other hubs make $23!). Both me and my wife loved working the ramp and being around aircraft since for me at least, it was fun and got me close and driven to pursue something further in aviation. However after me and my left amazon and started looking at other airlines for ramp agent positions, Jesus, I had no idea that in most of these airlines the employees in almost all these airlines have it worse! I refuse to work and doing a hazardous job at $16 to $17 an hour. A job like this should be making at minimum $25 an hour or close to what an airline a&p mechanic makes. It's only right to ask for this if an airline and it's customers are to expect great service that starts and ends on the ramp!
Bring back the UNION
screw that
An Airport Tarmac is NOT NATURE 😂
My wife is a delta Flight Attendant she wants a union so badly the company recently went so far as to say employees can only wear U.S. flags after some employees went viral with Palestinian flags on there uniforms the delta twitter then said that it was the Hamas flag and came out against there employees now flight attendants can no longer wear flags of country’s they travel to even when going to those places and speaking the language absolutely unacceptable. It also being used to suppress any kind of pride flags as well.
nothing wrong with any of that. It’s a private company…you agree to follow their rules. Delta flight attendants get paid before they go
wheels up…ask the unionized ones if they get that.
Delta treats their FAs like dogsht. Most FAs are sheeple and won't support a union. The Delta CEO sets the tone for the company so he is likely a giant terd
I worked fueling Delta's airplanes at MSP one summer in 2010. Was paid ten bucks an hour by a separate company (that's changed names since). Old timers told us how fuelers made twice that in the 1980s. I injured my back and quit. It was not a glamorous job.
Why do they have a pilot union but no flight attendant or ramp union? Everyone including the pilots should be on board together for more leverage seeing experienced commercial pilots aren’t a dime a dozen. Probably more complicated than that.
yeah…most of us don’t want a union. don’t need one.
I worked at UPS a month before becoming an Attorney. After that experience I respect UPS & FedEx workers because that is difficult work! I couldn’t wait to quit that job!
I been trying to get my coworkers to unionize. They rather spend the money on video games than pay to work
And domino boards....
Sue Delta and Boycott it😂 They used to be the best???? what happened????
GO DELTA, GO UNION!
We thank you for your service and sacrifice
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