2008 Saturn Sky Redline // Review
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2016
- This time I get to drive Aaron's modified 2008 Saturn Sky Redline.
Performance mods include:
K&N 3" Cold Air Intake
Solo Performance 3" High Flow Cat
Solo Performance 3" Single Exit Racing Exhaust
Trifecta Tune @23PSI
DDMworks U-Tunnel Brace
Also check out the owners band, NU95 here: nu-95.bandcamp.com/album/nu-95 - Авто та транспорт
Underrated car really
Agreed!
Not really. Terrible to drive, ugly sound etc... very beautiful car and nice power though.
Also horrible roof mechanism. Really.
@@bar1ton1 idiot,,,, I drive mine daily and it's very fun to drive hugs the road and curves and it's fkn fast as hell cuz mine does 0 to 60 in 4 seconds and I bet your car can't do that , just because your jealous and have never driven one doesn't mean you have to bash it ,,, so STFU
@@jasontroll6356 chill
That turbo whine gets me every time...I keep thinking a cop is putting on his sirens and coming after him lol.
me too lol!
Same
The Saturn sky is also affordable
I just bought a Sky Redline a few days ago, I love it.
This and Solstice are such great cars.
+EElectric_M agreed!
Wow, you are recording 5 miles from where my grandparents live. You also passed where my grandpa bought his gxp solstice. Keep it cool in there!
+Fundropto Gaming will do man! Thanks for the comment!
To me it's a Corvette front and Camaro back in a little roadster. I would call it a Corvaro. Spirit of a Corvair. I will get this car one day!
Those corvairs are cool, but they need some help to be safe at any speed. This though, try and find a manual and you're golden!
It's such a perfect little known gem for looking so good and offers great performance. A little modding can make it a beast. I haven't driven one but I only hear good things about the handling. Being my 2nd car, it's have to be manual.
underballbutter what's the difference between a manual and semi auto? I know what they are but I don't get the huge difference? Would you recommend a manual for a first car?
You know what's funny? Back in 05 or 06, there were rumors Chevy was going to have their version of this.
I have two Corvairs. Love them. When I lived in the DFW area I had 17 at one time actually!! LOL.
I love how the exhaust note gets louder, but acceleration doesn't change much.
Thanks for doing a review for this car! I bought one in February shortly after watching this review. I got a stock redline, but it still has a lot of pep. I cant wait to get one of the tunes for the car.
Once I get the car cleaned up, I plan on going to Dallas Cars and Coffee, so I may see you there.
kinghobo1 is yours an automatic or a standard? At any rate, it's going to be a fun car to drive around, and fairly rare too! I hardly see them!
And if you see me walking around say hi! I'll try to look for a solstice in the lot! What color is it?
My Sky is black, and automatic.
Nice! I'll keep an eye out for it!
Dude if u still have the car is it good for a first car does it break would it last long pls text me back. I’m thinking about making my most expensive purchased in my life
Racer Shotz Dude, just buy a Pontiac Solstice, it is much better in my opinion.
The wife doesn't do a double take on many cars but always on the Pontiac Solstice. Another great review.
Thanks for watching! And your wife has great taste!
I'm so excited . I'm 16 and this is going to be my first car . I'm getting it in a month
Congrats! You'll have a lot of fun in it for sure! Is yours going to be the auto as well or are you getting a manual?
The Dutch Texan it's going to me automatic
You ever get it?
Did you get it Carlos Romero
SAME ITS GONNA BE MY FIRST CAR TOO
Awesome! I'll definitely share this on the band page!
Again, thank you for letting me review your car!
I've just announced the video to all our fans on our page!
facebook.com/NU95band/?ref=aymt_homepage_panel
Awesome! Thanks for doing that!
Superb car review! That exhaust note is fun to hear throughout the review. The 2.0L turbo engine was an excellent fit for the Saturn Sky and Kappa platform-mate the Pontiac Solstice. The style of the Saturn Sky was attractive. It's unfortunate that the production of the Saturn Sky was discontinued along with the Saturn brand as was also the case with Pontiac due to GM's Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
Yup, we missed out on so many cool cars. I would have loved to see the Pontiac g8 sport truck on the streets. The concept I saw at a Dallas auto show was stunning!
Definitely a great pre-corvette for those with a standard car budget. The exhaust is a little loud, but I feel like it adds to the driving experience of the car. Also that guys band is pretty good for rock! That is coming from a big rock music fan though. Keep up the great reviews!
Thanks for watching and checking out the owners band! I was pleasantly surprised myself when I listened to their songs! And I aim to do more reviews in the future! I can only do them when people offer the cars to me, so keep that in mind! I don't have a ThatDudeInBlue following just yet! Hahaha!
That’s funny I’m actually looking at this car as a potential pre c5-c6 corvette. Driving a miata currently. Only thing is I’m about to graduate college and a corvette would be awesome but also a house would be smart.
Secure the stuff you need first and then you can move to the stuff you want!
The turbo whine sound like the police was goona chase you to give you a ticket👀
They probably would have... Allegedly....
Very informative thanks for the review
My pleasure! :)
I've owned a 2007 Redline Midnight Blue version for 2 Months and love it.
so far the trunk space hasn't been an issue for me since I don't go one trips and it fits my soft luggage and anything extra I just put in the passenger seat.
I agree with the leg space, I'm 6'3 and it can get kinda cramped.
it runs crazy smooth, I went 120mph (the manufacturer limit ) and it didn't feel any different from a 70Mph cruise. no shake at all
I can't imagine how you are folded into that car at 6'3"! Whow! I suppose it's fine when you are by yourself and don't take any long trips out of town that would require a suitcase.
Love my sky...
I can see why! :)
Great review. I am the proud owner of a yellow Redline automatic and I love it. These cars are definitely not for everyone because of the limited space. Having said that, there is nothing quite like the roadster experience.
Thank you so much for the kind words! It's always awesome to hear from actual owners what they think of my review!
I just bought a yellow redline, I'm in love.
Thank you for this review, I was definitely looking for more recent reviews for the Saturn Sky Redline.
On a random note, I know where you're driving -- I used to live near there. :)
Don't mention it. I love doing reviews of interesting cars when I can! Glad you enjoyed it!
And I think everyone that is local knows where I film most of my reviews. It's just the perfect shakedown loop!
Such an underrated gem of a car!
Agreed!
Good review. I have a 08 Redline with the trifecta tune and no other mods and run mid 13's in the 1/4.
+David N I always love hearing from actual owners! Glad you enjoyed the review!
There are two unique-to-Sky things I like. One - when you drive with the top down going east on a sunny morning (between 8:00 AM to 9:00 AM) you get a reflection of the red-reflective Saturn logo in your rear view mirror. You feel like God is watching over you. It makes you happy. Two - another thing I like is the lights when you turn off the car. (The lights are in the rear-view-mirror.) They stay on for several minutes unless you lock the doors using the FOP. And when you FOP-lock the doors the lights dim.
best drifting car i ever drove.
if you ever come to southern California you can do a review on a supercharged 95 NSX. saw your channel as I was browsing for different redline cars since I wanted a ion redline when I was younger as well as the sky redline. now that Saturn is out I think i want to add to garage.
Thanks for the offer. I wish this UA-cam thing would allow me to travel, but I am not at that level. I hope you find your Saturn, preferably with a manual! That was the only thing this car truly missed IMHO.
The Saturn Sky and the Saturn Ion are two awesome cars.
Agreed!
My dad’s 2003 ION was junk. It had a lot of electrical problems and it left him stranded once.
I Miss Those Saturn Cars & The Dealerships Have Been Closed Since Fall 2010!!
Why did you change the stock exhaust? The stock sounded perfect
Nice review! Actually when I saw this car I was confused by what it is. It took me sometime to figure it out.
+Start Art thanks! I enjoyed driving and reviewing it.
I am glad! And you're welcome! :)
that turbo took its time spooling up on that dig run.
I suppose so, but it's no slouch!
I would have loved a V-6 in it. Loved the sound even my old 86 Fiero 2.8L made when I was getting on it.
The stock sky has a v6
@@Mr_pai_pai , I thought I saw a V6 emblem on one. But looking at GM's site, I couldn't find anything but 4 bangers.
Would you happen to know what year and what motor they were?
I'd sure appreciate any info you have or could provide.
I've had several rag tops over my lifetime, and would love to have one again now that the kids are out of the house, lol.
Like the host said, it only came in 2.0L Direct injected turbo, and 2.4 n/a. The 2.0L LNF engine is more than capable of what GMs v6s could perform… the closest powerful V6 GM was building was the 3.6 with many failures a.t.m. Heavier and less realizable for the same 300HP in stockish form, the 2.0L LNF is superior. The usual engine swap for these is a LS V8 and 2JZ which are better than any V6 GM could have decided to add.
Wasn't talking about the performance. Was talking about the exhaust note. For performance, I'd go with the V8 conversion.
Kinda car you drive in the morning and evening happily, midday and midnight unhappily?
I own a 2007 Sky redline turbo, it has 8 thousand original miles. Everything on it is original and like brand new. Great car
yep that's the truth on the automatic with the 0-60
i the same car Red 2008 Sky Redline but with the black top.
i have the GM performance tune in mine
it ups the numbers to 290hp and 340 lb-ft of torque
and let me tell you wow! it becomes a completely different car.
i love that the tune also disables the learn down feature on the ecm
the car lets you have the hp and torque gains from an exhaust or cold air intake.
neither of which i have done because i worry about the longevity of the transmission being able to handle all of that power.
I have 2008 redline black 31000 miles. Perfect condition. Selling because i never drive anymore. Just sits in garage. $15,000 take it home today.
Having problems with my trunk. Whats the best way to tackle the problem? The flap behind the drivers seat will not release. Had someone make me a little tool to open manually. That's not how I roll. Like everything in my Chrome Redline to work right. .
+Charles Jones unfortunately I am not the owner of the car so I won't be of much help in this instance.
Not a bad little car
How was the handling though? I'm 5'9'' and have been seriously considering purchasing one. Is it a fun/light feeling driving experience? How are the seats?
It is a very flick able car and the seats are great. A manual transmission would be more fun, you can leave it in the gear you want to be in when doing cornering.
I'm 5'10" and have no problem with seat adjustment/position on this car. I've owned my 2008 Redline for almost 2 years now. The stock seats are very comfy in my opinion and definitely hold you in the seat around the turns. Longest trip I've driven in this car was about 12 hours so I do have to say that it can get a little uncomfortable after a while. Not to mention, the handling on this car is superb, being a roadster, as it should be.
Agreed! It is a tremendous value for sure!
question:
is the saturn sky redline (or pontiac) bigger that the mazda maita? Also I do not understand why GM dropped this car, they should of moved it over to chevy or buick.
+MagnumDubstep from what I remember of driving an early 90's Miata is that this car seems a bit more heavy. But it is also way more powerful.
The Dutch Texan
okay i was just wondering about that but they should of put a v6 in it like the chrysler crossfire.
I agree, but it's not really Chevys style to make a roadster like this lol I'm surprised Pontiac and Saturn did it
Sky is heavier but more powerful so a few seconds faster than a miata. But only a few.
GM kept the engine in the Cobalt and later the Buick Lacrosse turbo but the Saturn and Pontiac names were sold off I think. Some company tried to resurrect the Sky around 2010 but that never happened, and now a Chinese company owns the rights to the Saturn brand.
GM is not the smartest company on earth. And have no idea what they have. They have a history of bad decisions.
I want one. Hard to find a good one.
Can't wait to get mine next week :)
Have fun! :)
Did you get it? 😭
should have a walk around the car included with this video. Great vid tho
Great video I like a stick shift; I don’t care for automatics- all about fun and feel. Tickets are quite expensive in los angeles
I'd take a manual in this car as well if I am completely honest. But, each has their place.
I always liked the Kappa cars. The GMPP and Trifecta tunes offered 290+ hp from the 260 hp LNF 2L Turbo, so it surprising that GM still tunes the current LTG 2L Turbo to 272 hp & 295 lb-ft of torque if there is more on the table. Good engine in a custom chassis with smart convertible bodywork makes for a good car.
It just is a dead sexy car, I like it more than the GXP solstice in convertible trim. But, the solstice did come in that awesome little coupe form, a true unicorn. I can't remember the last time I saw one of those in the wild!
+The Dutch Texan yes I agree I preferred the Sky to the Solstice; I kept waiting for a Cadillac variant but was not to be.
That would have been something right there... A mini xlr? Yes please!
Keep in mind trifecta is 290 at the wheels and 320tq. Stock they are around 220hp and 220 tq at the wheels. It's a huge upgrade.
I'm looking at buying one but Red or Black?? I prefer black but I found an awesome deal on a red one.
Always go for the better car! Black is nice, but a bear to keep clean!
Love the car, but when it came out I was disappointed in the 5 speed manual. Should have been a six speed to help with fuel economy and top speed...but it still got decent mpg though...but even the sport compacts at the time came with a six speed. I also wouldn't have minded the base engine except the weight hampered it's performance. It weighs around 3000 lbs...way too much for a 177 up roadster. Despite the gripes...it was a fun car though.
Have you ever found a saturn ion redline? i would like to see a review on one, if you can find one!
I depend on the kindness of others to be able to do my reviews. I would definitely review a Saturn Ion Redline if it came on my path! I'd also love to review a Cobalt SS or a Neon SRT4!
The Dutch Texan, so your in texas huh? i could ask some of the guys on my fourms on facebook if they would be intrested in meeting for a reveiw video. All the guys are pretty nice and their isnt much of irl's on UA-cam
+waldo187 yes I am, Plano, TX to be exact. I appreciate the effort regardless of the outcome. You are part of the reason why I just can't walk away from this channel! I'd miss out on so much positive energy and meeting awesome people!
It that how it sounds stock? ? If so, thats badass Lol.. I live in Houston, & I like how he's just risking a pull over XD
Im struggling about my first car, i have the choice between a 1st Gen Nissan 350Z(280Hp) and a second Gen Opel GT/Saturn Sky redline. Any suggestions?
Jan, I have actually driven both. And incidentally both were automatics. The one review you just saw, the 350z review will be up soon. If it is tuning you want there is infinitely more stuff you can do to the 350z platform than you can with the Saturn. Then there is the fact that the Nissan is naturally aspirated. Less stuff to go wrong because less moving parts. Also a V6, which arguably has the better exhaust note. It has more storage space, and also beats it in the looks department. The 350z was also straight piped. Wait for the review to drop and you'll hear! You can also check the intro on my instagram, TheDutchTexan is my name on that platform as well.
The Dutch Texan 350z better looking than a sky . Lol
It all depends on your point of view. I am happy we all like different things, otherwise the world would be one boring place!
Go sky redline much faster than a shitty Nissan 350 or 370 z don't get a Nissan they break all the time I had one and now I drive my sky redline so much fun
@@fabulosoallpurpose3570 not sky are much better
Judging from the comments..........this car is good?! Looks like I've got a new dream car..
I Used To Have A Local Saturn Dealership In South County Close By Aldi & Target
I have one in Peru - Lima and is the maximum, here all ask me what car is that? It is the version 2.4l Automatica but still super fun and has a very good look !!
It's always cool to have a car no one else has! Thanks for watching, all the way from Peru! Cool!
Forget the straight line. Think corners.. The thing to consider is turbos do better with manuals because you can choose or stick with your gear at any given moment. Automatic turbos bug me to drive since they often confuse the automatic. But what ever floats your boat I guess thanks for the review.
No doubt this car would be a lot more fun with the manual! Thanks for the comment!
Automatic in this car are much better than manual I drive mine daily and I am speaking from real life scenario concerning the sky redline automatic are much faster than manual look it up
Very cool car and looks decently quick, but I would much rather have an 08 and up C6 vette with that very capable LS3. Also if you want a bargain vette get a c5z and you won't look back. But I like that this is one of the few performance cars Saturn ever made. They did have a Ion redline too for a little while. It was basically a twin to the Cobalt SS.
This was the poor man's Corvette at the time. Pretty sure matching year the Vette went for around 50k where the sky(also solstice) went for 30k MSRP. Mind you 20k difference these things were still nothing to laugh at(for the most part). But now you can strap both with ls and turbos and have all the funs. Also these little four bangers only needed a few mods to be pretty good. Other components had been tested already. You had a little money(less than 20k) you could be outperforming a few higher-end cars.
My first car eeee
Not a bad one!
I wanted this car so bad but of course it wasn't possible.. someone beat us to it😤
There will be another... There always is!
I think I may own the nicest one in the world. Red, Opel badging, supercharged, blue tooth, back up cameras, dual exhaust with only 8,000 miles on it. I love it but I have a C8 convertible on order so probably won’t be driving it anymore. It gets more attention than Ferrari’s and Porsche’s I have owned because it is so rare and because it’s the only one like it in the US.
10k send it over to me
Would the owner happen to be selling?
+Kyler Blain not as far as I know!
How well does a 6 foot man fit in this car?
I am 5'11" and fit, so I think a 6'0" man will fit too. The only way to find out is to try it out sometime!
The Dutch Texan Thank you!
The Dutch Texan I wanted to know because I'm thinking of getting one I really think it is a great car
I have a 2007 sky redline, like brand new. It only has 8 thousand miles on it. Everything is original even the tires.
I’d replace the tires because safety but other than that it sounds like a complete creampuff!
This is the most fun car I have had. The torque with the tune is incredible, the power is enough to run some older vettes and mustangs Put 30,000 miles on last year driving it everywhere. Once you add pipes and air to tune there’s few sports cars that catch it
Few sports cars that can catch it 😂
Wonder how.it.compares to a a Z3 M
Never had a chance to drive one…
My first grade teacher drove one of these
+DIAMLER your teacher had good taste in cars!
Better than the Tesla.
these came with supra's aisin transimission.
one of the better cars for an engine swap...
thelocustemperor no need. I am getting 350 hp with a tune on a stock Redline. Weight is under 3,000 lbs. it’s plenty of power.
i think that it like a small c6 corvette
Kind off sounds like my old four wheeler when I straight piped it
I had a sky for 3 weeks, had to return to dealership cuz the engine had no power. Couldn't even reach to 60mph. Loved the look but I guess I just got a bad one
Sounds like a shady dealership to me!
Ben jij echt Nederlands? Anyway this is considered more a spiritual successor to the Opel Speedster.
Ja, echt Nederlands! And the speedster was mid engined, this is not so they are very different!
The Dutch Texan 👍🏻. I know the Speedster is mid engined, but the original ‘70 Opel GT was not a convertible. When the new Opel GT (Saturn Sky) was presented here in Europe it was presented as the ‘spiritual’ successor of the Speedster. Although they had nothing in common as the Speedster was a collaboration with Lotus. Anyway, I freakin love the Sky/GT!
The Dutch Texan This car was sold in Europe as an Opel. It was made on the same assembly line in Delaware. I only the only one in the US. A red one with a supercharger with 8,000 miles.
That old lady more than liekly doesn't even know the potential of that RX7 though LOl
Unpopular opinion: I love automatics.
So, Saturn Sky, Redline edition, AT gearbox, cool style and low budget. I want one😅
for anybody who has questions I took the time to drive this car for 6 months in all sorts of conditions due to my uncle who had leased the car and let me beat the shit out of it and I'll be the first one to tell you and I haven't driven a lot of cars it is the most fun.... It has a 50-50 weight distribution and it will drift around any Corner that you wanted to that turbo lag is the result of it cranking out 18 whopping pounds into an EcoBoost block which is in my opinion a piece of shit butt for the six months I drove this car it was a lot of fun I would never advise anybody to buy this car because repairs are just going to be a mother fucker and a door handle fell off on me actually on the passenger side butt it's a lot of fun to drive if it's not yours
Sounds to me like an angry mosquito
2010 Is When Pontiac Stopped Too!!
Automatics win on the strip. Sticks on the street. And I noticed that this is a shiftable auto. But you no shift?
Well said (although the auto will usually be more consistent on the street as well).
And pretty much all automatics are shift-able, but usually the automatic is best left in drive unless it has a shift function on the steering wheel or dedicated on the shifter (either a +/- gate or toggles on the shifter).
The Dutch Texan I have a suturn sl2 2001 and dude saturns are actually really good cars I had it for 10years I put 160kmilles on it and is never let me down
2008 I LOVE AND ADORE, 2010 I HATE!!!
Miata has enter the chat.
Already knows the answer!
9:41 "who's going to be faster" ...the maxima beside you
It wasn't though... it got stuck behind the Honda!
The Dutch Texan they are fast though aha
idiot,,,, I drive mine daily and it's very fun to drive hugs the road and curves and it's fkn fast as hell cuz mine does 0 to 60 in 4 seconds and I bet your car can't do that , just because your jealous and have never driven one doesn't mean you have to bash it ,,, so STFU
It's a tragedy when you see a sports car or a 2 seater convertible with anything other than a traditional manual transmission.. Can care less about what's faster, it's the experience that makes makes these cars fun.. not about sitting in traffic..
Too small to be confused with a Corvette ;)
They still look quite similar, and I have made that mistake once or twice when they came up in my rear view at a distance.
Similar GM design for sure-- it really was a baby Corvette, and I think that's what GM intended to a degree.
On point!
So I was thinking for our collab, along these lines. a Alfa 4C Spider vs the new 917 Boxster.... I already secured one of them for us. I e-mailed ya.
Auto might be faster, but wow they are so much less fun.
Agreed! Although, when cars hit a certain horsepower figure those manuals actually start to become your enemy. I had lots of fun in a ZL1 launching it from a dig with that terrific 10 speed. Unsure if I would have the same kind of fun in a manual car. I sure as heck wouldn't have launched it like I did. (that review is slated for the end July by the way).
True! I wouldn’t buy an automatic.
Love my standard with the pipes, air, and tune. The torque and increased hp is awesome. The pre400 hp mustangs are always shocked when you take them
The automatic would one million percent NOT beat the manual GXP in 0-60.
It does though, the manual is more fun and I believe better for actual track use, and I'd personally never get an auto kappa, but autos are faster
everyone knows automatics are faster. But they offer less control and are less fun. you cant chose what gear you want for said corner
That is completely untrue for the newer automatic transmissions that mostly have manual shift options. Even the older ones usually have a 1st and 2nd gear selector. Depending on the shifter placement you can work around it. But a manual is way more fun indeed!
yeah i'm talking about standard automatic's not sequential automatics. but i still feel that in some situations you have more control with an h pattern. Tho the advantages of a modern automatic sequential far outweigh the benefits of an h pattern on a track and in a straight line. Some advantages of an H pattern would be clutch kick and depending on the trans its easier to skip gears when down shifting.
I love skipping gears. Unless it is forced by a car, that sucks.
Cool little car but I don’t fit in it
I can see that happening! Guess there is no other option but going for a C6 vette!
That's a horrible exhaust note.
Stock Exhaust sounds perfect I don’t know about this one because it doesn’t sound like the red line that I know I don’t know why people change the fucking exhaust
I like the car but too much noise I would want a quieter exhaust not too quiet but quieter than that one
It is plenty loud, that’s a fact! I wouldn’t want it myself on the daily I think!
SATURN IS WAY BETTER THEN PONTIAC!!!
omg u had me at rx7..... i hate you ♥
Yeah... That RX7... I really hope to review an FD in the future! But, they are in the same classification as the Supras and Skylines. They are rare. And the people that let me review their cars are rarer still! But, it doesn't stop me from wishing!
I favor the SA22C and 1st gens. Don't really see FDs around here either, didn't realize they were in the same class as Supras and skylines, not sure how I feel about that.
Buuuut, if you're ever in CT, my bestie has a badass 1st gen if you wanna ̶b̶r̶a̶g̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶w̶o̶f̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶u̶t̶ ̶s̶k̶i̶l̶l̶s̶ review it. hahaha!
They are the trifecta! Supra, Skyline, RX7! And all I have never driven. I'd include the NSX, but I feel that the NSX is just a bit higher tier. Those are practically supercars.
I do like the classic RX7's too. Same goes for the Supra's really. I love the GEN2 supra Ptype. Such 80's styling!
Soft tops have never looked good on any car.
As good looking as it is, four cylinders have never sounded sexy
I think a ULH WRX / STi has a pretty nice sound to it. And I also like the original (vintage) beetle. And VTEC honda's? Another one of those things I love hearing!
wtf it sounds like a honda civic
there all ecotech cause we can't use Vtech🤣🤣
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Thanks for the dislike!
The sound of the Automatic and exhaust is awful
My stock Mazda speed three sounds much better than this
Automatic??!!
I guess I have to grow up instead of being involved in the driving experience. Apparently being a adult is having training wheels on my car.
Skyslimit86 oh shut the hell up!
Skyslimit86 Stfu man.
i have a manual sky. SO much fun!, this one is an auto and is a waist of time.
+USUniversal guess the hellcat I reviewed was a waste of time too? To each their own.
its still a great car. but theres no reason for it to be an auto
+USUniversal plenty of reasons. A deal you can't refuse or the inability of driving a manual (be it preference for commuting or a physical impairment). I don't hold people accountable for a choice one way or the other. I prefer manuals as well until we are talking big power numbers.
you have a good point, well put there