Why are people so mad at this artist? Edited by Connor McDowell: @connormcdowell2 Insta: / itsaustingreen Twitter: / itsaustingreen TikTok: / itsaustingreen
They literally *make* tracing paper and light boards specifically for artists to trace. I stg Reddit and Instagram have some of the most brain-dead users that dwell in the comment section. Just a bunch of high and mighty wannabes feeling a little _too_ comfortable and confident saying dumb shit they're ignorant about. Artists can never catch a break whether it's entitled people thinking they have a right to our works, or other people thinking they can "tell" artist what they should and shouldn't do when their only crime was trying to grow their brand. Which is _really hard_ for a lot of artists to do.
Ive used the internet to improve my art skills for as long as I knew of it’s existence. I never noticed how ingrained some of the internets most absurd ideas about art were until I actually entered art school and I found a light box in the classroom! I was so terrified of tracing even my own sketches that my teacher had to convince me it wasn’t a crime 😭. I wonder how many people take these extreme opinions to heart like I did but never see another perspective and suffer for it
One of my college drawing professors had a whole week dedicated to teaching us different tracing methods. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s work and presenting it as your own, I don’t think there is any harm in tracing. Personally, tracing helped me learn a lot about dimensions and perspective. It’s always disheartening to hear people who know nothing about art demonize it.
Hey so in competition and galleries you have to own the original images you are tracing from so it's recommended you take your own source photos because anything else will get rejected. Like I know you aren't totally oblivious but it's more than that.
Yeah fuck these Instagram comments. As someone who casually does digital art, seeing a mass of randos bashing on inoffensive art is the main reason why i struggled to have myself out there when i was younger. I have nothing but respect for this kid for continuing to persist and do art in what seems like a way that makes him comfortable.
That’s just being efficient haha. If u drew it no one should reeeally care. If i didnt feel the need to hand draw everything I’d be transferring to bigger surfaces all the time
I had a friend think I was tracing and said “you trace?! 😬” when when I was lining my own sketch art work…can’t even do line art of your OWN work anymore without some ill informed non-artists screaming “tracing” I hate how the art community is full of criticism from non artists who have no idea what they are talking about.
Right. If he'd actually traced over a couple of photos rather than using them as heavy reference, they wouldn't give off the same "stiffness" people knocked him for before (and after!) he posted the video about his transfer process.
@@thefiletypeiswrong7212yes! omg so many people who’ll tell an artist “i can’t even draw a stick figure” are also so quick to criticize art, especially the subjective aspects of art that ONLY have to do with taste, not skill or technique.
dude, there are people who think gridding a photo is “basically tracing”. as long as you’re tracing your own sketch/photo (or even a collage you made from other photos, but that might be controversial), it’s not “tracing” the way an art thief does. the people handing out that sort of criticism are not artists and do not know what they’re talking about
i understand the argument against tracing or editing *other people's* art, but if you aren't allowed to trace your own art, literally what are you allowed to do to it? 😅
Don't tell them the first step in any art project is to sketch an outline and then trace the best parts of it, so they stand out on top of the original sketch. Don't tell them that tracing is like step 3-4 in every art piece. Unless, you are free handing the entire thing, which isn't always great for accuracy.
Im so pissed at the tracing comments. He traced HIS OWN ORIGINAL SKETCH. That is something painters do!!! Its a very common technique!!!! God these are the worst parts of the online art community Edit forgor to mention he STILL HAD TO PAINT THE DAMN STATUE. Thats not something you can do with only "lazy" tracing. The stuff is a little unoriginal but this kid has crazy skill!!! Like, hes a really good painter. Thats not the kind of thing an average highschooler can just bang out. God people are so horny to just be mean to kids in this community
i hate peoples obsession with wanting strangers to make creative and original paintings. there will always be a market for that’s style of painting, and it’s totally subjective if it’s cool or not. not all subjects are going to be interesting to everyone. criticizing it because you don’t think it’s interesting is stupid, that stuff is subjective. criticize techniques and processes with advice for improvement. not the subjective aspects of the art
The IRL art community is so refreshing after years of being in the online art communities. People aren’t as snotty towards you, the criticism is always helpful; it’s less rigorous and they’d be more impressed with the fact that you made art on MS Paint than willing to doxx you. IRL art is a lot less pressure and the people in that community are very often a lot more accepting. We honestly need to start being snooty towards the online art community. They really need to be knocked down a few pegs.
@@newhavencon-py5yyUsing a reference photo isn’t the same as tracing. He very easily could have just looked at the photo and drawn his own piece without tracing it
As someone who is an artist (mostly as a hobby as I cant afford to just do art), I feel like the situation was blown way out of proportion. Yes, his art could use improvement - its not particularly striking as is but he does have talent in art and it just needs to be refined and he should spend time trying to figure out what kind of art he wants to make and focus less on whatever might strike someone else's fancy. The comments about him tracing are unecessarily harsh - not everyone wants to draw directly onto a large canvas, and its easier to draw your sketch elsewhere sometimes and then transfer that to your canvas. Overall, i think the kid handled this situation as best he could, and people should really stop attacking him over something that really isnt that big of a deal.
Gosh, those people will blow a fuse when they learn that renaissance artists had mad tracing skills. It's a tool like any other, that can be used for good or evil.
i feel like a lot of the hate comments (not criticism, just hate) were from nonartists who just wanted to feel good about themselves. as someone who frequently watches art content and does do art, theres often an urge to point out everything wrong with a video im watching just to feel better about my own skills. the thing i dont do is say those things. "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all."
EXACTLY the tracing thing is driving me esp crazy bc that just ,, doesn’t even make sense. attempting to redraw your sketch directly onto the canvas the exact same way but larger isn’t just unnecessary it’s literally just. incredibly stupid. it’s like if I handed in a research paper and someone scoffed like wow, couldn’t HANDWRITE IT with a homemade quill from a bird you caught like a real writer ??? like bro we literally have pencils and pens. you could do that if you want, but in the end we’ll still both have written research papers. doing something the difficult way for absolutely no reason doesn’t indicate ‘’’’’artistry’’’’’, it’s working slower and less efficiently for ???? at the AI part it became p clear to me that none of these commenters are artists, they in fact seem to hate art but also want to gatekeep it at the same time LMAO
"Maybe from his high school classmates-" Dude this sort of bullying apoligia is how we got into this mess in the first place. We need to stop acting like we're entitled to say every negative hurtful thought that enters our heads just because something is on the internet, period.
yeah internet strangers insulting me would've sucked, but my middle school classmates bullying me did fuck me up a bunch. I still have trouble saying anything positive about myself because of how the kids would tell me to stop bragging when I would say something like "hooray I passed this test." my internal voice of self-doubt never has to come up with anything original since it can repeat what others have said to me and be just as effective lol
interesting point. i feel like people are still treating our digital and IRL personas as separate entities, as if online, words just don't hurt. but they can and do, no matter what medium they're delivered in
Idk. While I understand what you’re saying, I interpreted that comment as “real life interaction” vs “if you don’t like it you could just scroll” I didn’t personally interpret his comment as saying it was “okay” to bully anyone, but that’s just my opinion.
As someone who hopes to sell my oil paintings someday, it is a little discouraging to see the amount of hate this guy received just for trying to make it. I do agree that his art is a little basic and can be improved, but literally every craft can. Why is it frowned upon if he wants to document his progress? I personally love to see artist growth overtime, including the shitty stuff
i can’t understand what wrong with “basic.” basic just means something’s popular. it’s popular for a reason. ofc his skill and techniques can improve, but people are too quick to criticize completely subjective aspects of art. such as, subjects that aren’t symbols of hate
I’m constantly on the lookout for new paintings, do you have a portfolio yet? I’d love to see your work! Also please don’t be discouraged, I think the main reason for the flack this kid is getting is due to his art not conveying anything. It’s essentially a practice piece rather than a self or outward reflection of anything, it’s like someone submitting their fruit stills to a gallery, that type of ballsiness usually doesn’t fair well on the internet. But the piece itself is not saying anything about the statues or a bygone past with how pristine they are, the splatters seem like ways to fill empty space because he’s not actually confident in his work yet to display any vulnerability, same goes with his branded persona. I have art from aspiring artists in my collection and even though they are rough and the techniques are still rudimentary, they are still so interesting because of what they are. Reflections of the artist, the essence of what the artist is trying to express of themselves and it’s why it’s so good, so do keep creating and don’t let the internet get to you or your journey as an artist.
as an artist who studied in art school and had a degree in fine arts - it’s fine. not my style and certainly not getting any awards, but it’s objectively fine. his critique would go well, and he would probably get an 80%. it’s fine, people are just mean.
it’s totally my style and i don’t like people criticizing how “interesting” it is, because that’s completely subjective. Also, art can totally be made just cuz it’s neat to look at. it doesn’t need to be deep or meaningful to be good. I feel like people are wanting this 18 yr old to have a “refined” taste and the skills of someone who’s been practicing for much longer. i also think their idea of refined taste is only liking classical art and hating on modern art just because
@@reckless_herb ooh really good points all around. i think people don't realize how currently famous artists had much much longer to learn their craft, as well as more time to devote to it. vs today when tbh, this kid is RIGHT, if you want recognition within your lifetime you need to be multitalented and have a personal brand. i've learned not to criticize based on how interesting art is to me, personally. like i used to hate acrylic pours cause i thought they were 'basic'. looking back, i feel like i was the basic one lol. now i have a beautiful set of acrylic poured coasters i found, and i can really appreciate the texture and craftsmanship of them. if i don't like a specific pour then that's ok, it doesn't mean someone's art is worthless. not to mention, i'm so tired of people who over intellectualize art or focus on classical art over modern art. i don't know, it's exhausting at this point. i want to go back to the days when we just painted our hands on caves, it seemed fun
@@reckless_herbI'm not going to say much in response to this, but that "art doesn't have to have deeper meaning, it can just be something pretty to look at" should be highlighted. Personally, his style is not my taste, at all, I found it quite boring, but that's fine, because if he likes it, it's his art and he has accomplished his goal.
I haven't finished the video yet but that charcoal trick he showed is something you learn in art school. Those IG comments are stupid. You learn alot of tracing techniques for art pieces.
Right! I’m an art teacher. I have a university education. EVERYBODY traces. The idea that every artist just sit down and doodle a perfect picture on a blank canvas is uneducated, shallow and a deep misunderstanding of the craft.
some people are so ?? unnecessarily mean 😭😭 hes 18, and should be allowed to go through this ‘cringe’ phase, and if he wants to post his progress then good for him. Its not a crime to be corny or anything.. A lot of the criticism couldve been more constructive like. hes just a kid doing art, why do people act like they care so much.. I dont really see how the art is boring, its just. fine.
Hard agree. Even his "cringe editing skills" for the videos is fine for an 18 yr old. The most difficult part for most artists is actually the buisiness part so i think by starting both so young will actually serve him quite well in the long run. On top of that he seems to understand that even negative press still press and as PT Barnum said "theres no such thing as bad publicity". He's actually way ahead here and took all of this in stride and incredibly professionally
So much hate on insta gram. I see paramore and Haley Williams clips a lot and I like that bc I like the band but every comment is some troll or nag hating on her… I’m like don’t comment if u hate it it’ll only make the algorithm think u like it!!!!
6:52 I graduated art school and it was required in most classes to share your progress online. I even had a mandatory blog in my major. Making art is not just about the finished product, it’s about the process. And it’s not just about “getting good” it’s about sharing your work. Literally.
I even had to do this for a conservation course. We had to make a certain number of social media posts with pictures and commentary and everything. Even had to make a whole ass video documenting our process and voice over it for our final lol it's an Online age and getting mad for people sharing stuff online is just weird lol
even with his “uninspired” art style, the hate he’s getting is just utterly disgusting. as an artist who happens to be his exact age, the response to him innocently posting his art is so scary to see. i’m happy that he seems to be handling it all so well- but i hope this doesn’t deter him away from art in the long run.
I went to art school, just graduated with a BFA. And before I watch the video I’ll say this. It’s not original, David’s bust and some splatter painting? Not amazing, but at 18 when I first got to college I wasn’t making insane original artwork yet. It takes time and an understanding of the art world AND HISTORY to create something original. Now galleries are also tricky though bc they often look for a certain “look” so I wouldn’t go applying to them Willy nilly. But when I saw this video I didn’t even comment on it, it looks just like a bunch of my former classmates works which were then critiqued in class by the professors. We learn and grow and change. Is there a “right” way to make art? No! But there is definitely an aesthetically appealing way to make it and mass produce it. 🤷🏼♀️ also pls practice anatomy if ur going to use that oof
this exactly! im not saying going to art school is mandatory but learning how to take critique from people who have years in the business is important, yes you can love your art (and i hope he never loses that cause having to monetize ur hobby is bleak) but, you also need to know that some things just dont work in that kind of gallery art world and its good for his age, but its not original enough, sorry to say 😅
Exaaaactly. I have critiques and feelings about the first painting and the second isn’t my cup of tea but let the boy improve and hustle jeez. The people absolutely hating on him need to chill.
@vl5008 right? I even have issues with how he's being portrayed in this video. His response was too edited? Mf he has skills. If you're mad, then get mad at the climate that elevates this highly edited style of content wtf.
I've got a degree in illustration, and I can't agree with you more. Commercial galleries (especially at the moment) are the worst places for artists to want to get into, they take a huge cut of the sale price for very little work, and have been known to mess with artists as much as they can get away with. If an artist wants to go with a gallery, they're best finding an artist run one or an indie one where they'll actually be appreciated. He has some really good technical skills developing, but him centring making money with his art in his videos feels like a recipe for extreme burnout and crisis if it doesn't go that way. (I should know, it happened to me, and I'm still picking up the pieces of my life at 28)
Something stood out to me. ‘Good art will always stand out’ No. that’s not true at all. Art is enjoyed by artists. Art is bought by non-artists because they know the person who made it.
there was something i remember learning from an artist years back (dont remember who but they were well known at the time). they posted how they could spend hours on full rendered pieces and get 2-3 likes yet silly comics in a super deformed style that took minutes got thousands. good art DOESNT stand out. it does the exact opposite.
Literally. Like Van Gogh’s art pieces were considered so shit he only sold 1 piece, yet he skyrocketed in popularity after he died. His art is considered to be great yet it never stood out until his untimely death.
I spent my middle/highschool years in the online art community. And so much of my progress I could of made was stunted by people who said "don't use blending tools" "don't shade with black" "don't trace even for practice" "don't use bases" "don't copy someone's art style" If I had just studied more of the things they say NOT TO DO I would have progressed so much more. People take art for granted and feel like they can actually abuse it for AI. They're harassing some dude who's tracing, which is a grey area for sure, instead of focusing on artists online actually being used and stolen from.
Tracing is literally such good practice too! Tracing unoriginal stuff is fine to practice, even! I did that for my practice. Especially hands lol and now I draw pinups with perfect hands 😂
I'm sure a bunch of other artists have also said this. But as an artist who went to art school, we were literally taught that technique of transferring your sketch onto the canvas by using tracing paper. It's a technique that's been around for centuries 😭
6:31 I hate when non artists under price a piece of art work too. Like ... 10$?? Are you insane?? Youre not paying for a picture. Youre paying for the time, effort, and attention put into the piece.
jesus christ it's like crabs in a bucket. he's a kid, this is amazing artwork for a teen, and he has hustle unlike how i felt at his age (i thought art was a hopeless endeavor and it kinda is), he feels like he can make it and i don't know why everyone has to drag the poor dude down. this is like, early deviantart levels of hatred for no good reason. i really think they just want to drag him down because he has confidence and as much as people act like confidence gets you everywhere, if certain people feel like you don't deserve it, they're not gonna stop until they rip it away entirely. like, conceptually i don't really feel it, i think he went with an abstract art + statuesque look because he was making a piece for an art gallery and not because he was really invested in the subject matter, but he's got clear technical skill. calling his work 'crummy practice pieces' is just outright delusional. the fact that they're freaking tf out over someone tracing THEIR OWN ART just tells me that they don't draw and are just pretending they draw so they sound like theyre coming from a place of authority. thank you for showing this to me i needed more reasons to stay off of social media.
@@Idotdoesart You are blind and naked just like I was, it’s never to late to repent and believe in Jesus Christ he is the way the truth and life nobody goes through the father except through him.
Sobbing why are people so fucking angry these days 😭😭 Like I swear everyone's so aggressive these days. Like I literally don't care what the art is, it doesn't matter, what matters is how vial people are. Like the guy saying "Your attitude is the problem" Literally all the guy said was "dang my art didn't get into a gallery and imo it's p good" like any teen would. It's just massively taking things in bad faith, it's the steven universe effect where people take some mundane art that's p good and go "This show supports FACISTS" Like it's not my job to bend over backwards so that you aren't pissed off at me.
How is tracing your own art a rip off? Real artists do that all the time!!! It saves valuable time... I went to a hoity toity art high school and one of the teachers taught us that exact trick he used to make his digital drawing into a painting.
they are so mean to him. honestly the people who keep telling him to not post his art and that he is too brand focused, so what? it’s really hard to make money of your artwork especially if you make traditional art. i think it’s admire able that he’s trying to make a living out of what he loves to do. and i agree it sucks that he needs to focus more on the brand less on the art but that’s just how the algorithm works especially on instagram. i see so many artist struggling bc of ig’s obsession with reels. unless you post videos like his you wont get recomannded, you wont get views, you wont get engagement . hastags were the thing most small artist relied on but now that wont do anything for you, unless you already have a big following. this topic honestly makes my blood boil
Maybe I’m lame for this but… why does his art have to not be “lame” or cringe. Why can’t it just be home decor art with no deeper meaning. He’s literally 18 and he seems happy 🥹
Yeah, it's like people who super hate on romance novels bc they're "not REAL literature". Like, bruh, people like them, and the authors are making money. Everyone is having a good time but you. Why are you so mad?
Yeah I don’t understand the hate for the tracing part. Artists do that all the time to get their sketches on their canvases, even I do that. It’s easier, plus if you mess up, you can try again.
I think for some reason people think he’s tracing someone else’s work even though he made it very clear it’s his own digital art that he’s just translating onto a canvas
I saw the original reel and didnt think much of it, just its not my style. Seeing how much its blown up is wild But as a side note its very hard for younger artists to find safe spaces on social media. I often see posts or videos of younger artists showing off their work and very happy with their progress with comments full of criticism. I cant imagine how overwhelming and demoralizing it would be to go viral to any degree only to see people picking apart your work.
it’s really discouraging to have a plethora of insults thrown your way for being a beginner. he’s not even really a beginner. he’s quite skilled at 18. he can only have spent so much time practicing. even masters have room for improvement, there are a million and one ways to paint, there is always going to be a technique that you haven’t heard of before
Reminds me of the actual child that people attacked and sent death threats to, because they drew their characters with the eyes higher up on the forehead as a stylistic choice, and people tried to bully them off tiktok or something like that.
@@snowysheep3857 yeah I didn't hear about it until a while after it happened either. People really thought they were doing the right thing by attacking some kid for how they drew 💀
The comment about him deserving hate from his high school classmates was honestly just unnecessary. Bullying someone for "posting cringe," is still bullying. What I think this video failed to mention was that what he's doing is completely harmless to anyone and completely harmless to himself. He still wants to improve his art so it's not like he's shooting himself in the foot here. I think a lot of people, even including artists, have developed this entitled attitude towards other people's art, where they expect every artists, trying to make a profit or not, to be the next da Vinci.
When it comes to his technical skills, i think he's doing quite well especially for someone still in highschool. The subject matter wasn't that original, but composition-wise it wasn't horrible. He's got a strong foundation and i hope he can continue growing as an artist
It’s no one’s responsibility to be a “good” artist. Nobody owes anybody “good” art. We just do art because we’re human. It doesn’t need to be “sellable”
As someone still in the beginner phase of learning art, it actually angers me to see people giving him non-constructive and unnecessarily rude comments. Art's a hard thing to learn and it really takes a decent level of technical skill to even complete a painting like that, sure it's basic and a little shallow, but it probably took him a really a long time. I'd be proud of it tbh 😄
Maybe people think he's not mentally ill enough to produce deep art so they took it upon themselves to bully him🙃 That's sarcasm of course. The internet is horrible sometimes.
that’s so funny. why do so many people require art to be “deep” for it to be good/cool. or even a new and original concept. almost everything has been thought of at some point, there’s very little chance anything will be truly original
you joke, but do you remember that series of pictures some guy made of mental illnesses? theyre just lil cartoons with fairly simplistic interpretations of the symptoms of different diseases. people fucking ate that shit up. got tattoos of it and posted em. and theyre cute, sure. like trauma pokemon or something. but its hardly fine art. the association of mental illness, this "deep, dark, tormented" vibe made people treat his work more like real art than this kid, who is no less of an artist going through an artists struggle.
i will be honest my first thought was "looks a little AI" but as a young adult he has plenty of room to improve. also as an artist depending what medium i trace base layers multiple times (for digital it can be up to 4 or 5 times of different layers of refinement to get to line art) i get the feeling anyone whinging about him tracing his base art arent actually artists.
as an artist, i can believe that the meaning behind his art is genuine, even if it looks "tacky" and "soulless". when i was 18, i tried so hard to paint my emotions, but was ashamed of how it turned out, because that was the only way i knew how to draw back then. i only had enough of the experience for that. i'm sure he'll improve, people are just very mean to artists, as usual.
As an artist who wants to make it their career this is exactly why I'm scared to actually post any of it, I don't want to get "cancelled" because one painting looks kinda meh. That's actual insanity.
i don’t think this guy did anything but try and promote this art, i don’t think what he’s doing is cringe, i think his art is nice, and i have no idea why people are losing their mind over this. all i see is him posting his art and making goals to make a sustainable living on it.
People say the same stuff about Thomas Kinkade's paintings, but regardless of how many people hate his art, and whether its good or not, he is still among the most sucessful and widely known contemporary artists.
The comments make me so fucking mad, as an artist myself. They show a complete lack of understanding on anything. The guy wasn't even full tracing from another work! It was his own sketch, for fuck's sake. I get the art is boring, but he's a learning artist. Give him time and let him find his niche. The paintings aren't bad and I guarantee the people talking shit on him couldn't make something with half the quality. Additionally the people complimenting him and using it as an excuse to knock modern/abstract art pisses me off too, because they don't know anything about modern art at all.
Exactly, there are different types of art, and they're all valid. I'm kinda sick of people putting down one to uplift the other. It's cool if people don't like abstract/modern art , I personally don't like realism. It doesn't make it "bad" art.
Tracing is in fact a valuable tool that can help your art improve. If you dont use it as a crutch. And ofc if you trace your own art to make it bigger or feel more comfortable making linework digitally but painting traditionally then go for it! And a gentle but firm reminder. Art is subjective. Personally I dont like his art, it doesnt click with me. But others will like his art! And thats fine. If you dislike his art dont harass him.
exactly!! tracing can help you learn to see the details in something, it can get your body used to the motions and feel of drawing what you're trying to do, like, it's a genuine tool. it feels like so many people heard "you shouldn't rely on tracing to make art" and took that to mean "tracing in every single context is an unforgivable art sin". and like, yeah, he's tracing his own art, who cares???
I remember seeing that reel and thinking his art was cool, constructive criticism is fine, but I don’t really get the hate. I’ve seen a few other comments mention this but instagrams comment sections are honestly some of the most stupidly toxic places online. I remember tracing my traditional art to make it digital, learned it in basically every art class I’ve taken in high school. Especially when it comes to making the piece larger to trace it onto a bigger canvas. People are allowed to have their own tastes in art but to be so hateful to young artists is so unwarranted.
whenever people talk about reddit and twitter (pre musk) being toxic, I get confused because they were downright wholesome in comparison to instagram comments.
@@SapphireSeahorse494 it completely depends on which side of each app you are on. i’ve been on both wholesome and toxic ends of any platform i’ve had an account on. you can find toxic anywhere you go. same with wholesome. you just gotta know how to cater your feed in the right direction
@@SapphireSeahorse494 yeah the only real toxism I've ever experienced on reddit is just straight up racism, homophobia and transphobia :/ at least they keep it open so I know what to avoid
@@SapphireSeahorse494A lot of twitter (I think at least recently) has opened up to the idea that maybe not everyone should be a raging asshole online. It's actually way more often on twitter I see people stop and think "hey isn't this being a jerk" than other social media. However some parts still have people that will dogpile you, which is inevitable because the userbase is so big, but I don't see it as often I think. Surprisingly twitter kinda... matured a little bit???
Great example of how non-artist should just mind their business, stuff like this happens to young artists every other week. They probably already know that they need practice anyway.
How is. Tracing YOUR OWN SHIT. Bad??? Ngl a majority of these comments, even the ones with constructive criticism just feels,,, super stuck up and "my opinion on your stuff is superior" Ts drives off artists, no matter how 'good' your intentions are. Craziest part is that the art isnt even offensive and people still found a way to lose their shit over it.... side note: What im not getting too is the little "basic but-" "not winning any awards but-" "uninteresting but-" comments as well, like there's nothing wrong with that- not everything's supposed to cater to your preference,,, especially when that thing is something someone else is proud of. Its just an unneeded remark.
And this is why i never post my handmade stuff online; there's the art community. And those people are the people that could push me over the edge with just a few words. Nah, keep your creations to yourself, if your a fragile little flower like me.
I thought transferring was more commonly known. I took multiple art classes during high school and each teacher would show us different ways to transfer your sketch onto your canvas. Whether it be using light, the charcoal method, or just a grid, it was always encouraged.
I think I'm most confused by his supposed insistence on getting into an art gallery - if I'm to take him at face value, I'm equally curious if he's trying get into any gallery, or if he's applying to the ones that would be more receptive to his art style. It all feels like ways to push his online virality, but given that there are folks his age who've done much worse with less talent in the name of money, I'm ultimately feeling indifferent about his shenanigans. (Please don't let there be a milkshake duck situation after the fact...)
As a former 18 year old artist myself, he’s literally doing nothing “wrong.” Omg, I look back at my portfolio from that time, stuff I was super proud of at that age and skill level that I just absolutely cringe at now😂 some has held up, some I still love, but my god there’s a few where I’m like my art teacher must have thought I was koo koo bananas when I made this😂 there was a nugget of my personal style forming there, but I was literally only like 1-2 years off from just drawing anime, and even 10 years on from that I’m still developing my personal style and who I am as an artist. I think social media has taught us it’s bad to be “cringe” but like, teenagers are inherently awkward we just didn’t have as much permanent documentation of that before now and there’s this weird pressure to be a fully formed perfect human in your online presence which just isn’t reality. A lot has changed in the almost decade since I was there, social media and how young creatives use it is entirely different, and it’s so easy to open yourself up to what you think is useful critique but ends up just being people hiding behind a screen typing out every negative and hurtful thing. When you pursue art you learn how to give critiques that help people better themselves and their art and doesn’t just drag them and their art down for the sake of it. There’s a difference between being constructive and being destructive, both may hurt but one is meant to help. People really just want to hate on people sharing their creativity while pretending like they’re offering helpful advice. 6:50 the comment telling him to stop posting his progress online just absolutely hurts my soul. Why not? Why can’t he share? People share every other minute random minutia of their lives online. I see peoples random art come across my shorts all the time and I always give it a like because they had the courage to share that with the world and internet strangers. Art doesn’t need to be “perfect” to be shared, “good” art is subjective anyways. Anyways, I hope he keeps pursuing it, learning, and can look back on himself in 10 years and maybe cringe a bit but also have a little pride for having the gumption to pursue this and share it.
Instagram is always just mean, really mean. There’s this one video of an artist painting from the shadows to the highlights in that order. And yt comments were fine but instagram comments were completely dog piling on a beautiful piece because it wasn’t black? That same artist paints a diverse range of skin colors to begin with, it’s insane.
These comments on his account seriously piss me off, so many people obviously dont know what tracing is of they think THATS tracing 🙄 What he's doing is called TRANSFERRING, which is something MOST traditional painters do for their paintings when they need to add it to a bigger or smaller canvas. People are just being assholes 😔
It's actually a really striking example of examining why something like this might not work, because there is obvious talent going into this. I think it's teliing how a lot of people just vaguely call it shlt and leave; I think many of these people would have trouble describing why it's bad - or let me put it a different way, they would have trouble describing how to make it better.
I feel bad for this poor kid. He is young and sure he has room to improve, but he is talented and has great potential. I hope he doesn’t let it get to him.
It amazes me how people has the nerve to educate someone on how to draw when they don’t even draw. Kinda like telling someone how to fix a car when they have no mechanic experience 😂
As an art student myself (though not a painter) I have had professors tell us to completely plan out paintings, create the image in photoshop, then trace it onto a canvas using a projector. This method of planning out your work does not make your work any less impactful.
Tracing your sketch onto another medium is SO normal and common. I feel bad for the kid, I’m amazed he kept posting, I think I would have bowed out after the first bad reaction
I personally don't find his drawings interesting, but he obviously has some skill. He just needs to find a way to better apply himself. Art is a learning process. Even the most professional artists continue to learn and change. These ppl are just being overly judgmental without actually having anything constructive to say.
the way he traced his digital sketches onto traditional canvases is utterly genius. as someone mostly experienced with digital who wants to get into traditional paint and canvas, i'll have to give it a try. artists blending mediums is nothing new, and especially with large canvases, it's very difficult to replicate something you've already drawn. artists tracing isn't anything new either, and beyond that, even if it weren't, it's his own art that he's tracing which is an absolute non-issue. people went far too hard on him. he's clearly skilled and though he has room to grow, so does every artist; it doesn't warrant tearing him apart this hard. i can't blame him for putting a lot of emphasis on business either, not in this day and age. it's difficult to make a living as an artist, you've gotta do what you can
man oh man if art school taught me one thing its how to take criticism, whether it being bad or good ya know? having to monetize a hobby in to a career is hard, and alot of the times we lose the feeling and emotion behind why we started doing art in the first place, i hope that makes sense it just kinda seems like he threw himself into it and is expecting vitality and fame right away 😭 thats not why people make art bro
mannn all the people complaining about using a projection/tracing have likely never taken studio art classes. not to mention they've probably plagiarized in an essay before. kids 18, and he shows promise, he needs to understand the basics yeah so his work can be fine tuned but idk he's a kid making art like...
I'm going to be contrartian. Art, and artists are all different. We all have different goals and paths. No one has to follow any previously walked path in art. People arguing that he's two brand focused, are ignoring that he has his own goals and aspirations. I like what he's doing, and I think they could be the start his own personal style and/or brand.
I dont use TikTok, so Instagram is my main source of short form content. Pretty much every comment section below every Instagram reel is filled with trolls, degenerates, and key board warriors. It's toxic to the point of absurdity
people need to just let artists create their art without feeling the need to give unwanted “feedback” where they’re just whining about not liking their work
The way they accused him of tracing because he used a trace-over method to transfer his own drawing to a canvas kind of tells you everything you need to know. Tracing other's work for plagiarism is not the same thing as tracing your own work? Braindead.
as a """professional"""" artist, the whole thing abt people getting mad abt tracing was bizarre. i think this is one of those situations where people need to learn to use the block button instead of leaving comments telling a guy to get off the platform. hes making very much "high schooler" art. rooted in trite concepts, very collage looking, and refrencing more famous art styles/works. to me that makes sense w how much its drilled into young artists to "study the masters." hes just doing what he thinks it takes to be successful. that being said, there is something to say about how the paintings themselves to a degree but the generalized responces on tiktok were all like, facist talking points. the hatred towards "modern art" (our notion of "modern art" isnt even modern anymore! a lot of the works most mocked in these circles are decades old now!) is quite literaly a common facist talking point and honestly, not the kind of thing you want to put down in comparison to a work like this. if you want to make ugly and kitch type art then if anything you need to just embrace that harder and become more annoying about it, ala duchamp, right? but its a tightrope to walk when working with this kind of imgary. the concepts of what art works the art insitution (ie who makes the art history books) are fundamentally rooted in white supremacy. thats why, going back to my mentioning of the facistic nature of the anti modern art movement earlier, the fascist types are always like "why dont we make these epic statues anymore?" when you treat historcal artifacts and art as a simple aesthetic without researching them and underatanding their background, youre not able to really explore these concepts or add much commentrary. hence the "desktop wallpaper vibes". i think its not just a matter of getting offline its also a matter of understanding art history and forming an opinion on a subject rather than just using an iconic work or style as a subject with little thought beyond "i want to do what they say the so called masters did". thats what fundamentally i think would maybe distinguish his work beyond dentist waiting room poster. what about these works compell him to make art abt them for instance?
as an artist myself, the hate comments went way too far and many of them were clearly not made by experienced artists. i personally just find it bland. compositionally, it feels unbalanced and heavy on the right with too much emptiness on the left, and there is hardly any color. i feel like if he had gone monochrome with a specific color and experimented more, it would’ve been much better. but like, he’s 18. everyone starts somewhere. it isn’t even a bad painting. its just a normal realism study of a statue. if it was just for school, that would be one thing. i think most of the outrage came from the fact that he applied to a museum.
This is one of the most insane dogpilings I’ve ever seen in the art community (hyperbole). People calling this cringe are insane and are making perfectly harmless behaviors into something bad (as all cringe is), and the people calling it a cashgrab are also insane for being this horrifically harsh. It’s most certainly not cringe and whether it’s a cashgrab or not does nothing for you. He didn’t burn down your crops, push over your cows or sleep with your wife-he’s done nothing but post his art in a format you don’t personally like.
the "tracing bad" argument is so stupid. it's such a 2016 deviantart/wattpad argument. tracing from good references can be good for budding artists to learn the basics of anatomy. except he didn't even trace another photo! HE TRACED HIS OWN FUCKING WORK!!!! IT'S STILL HIS!!! i'm so convinced the american school system has completely failed people in terms of art literacy. and his paintings aren't even bad! i, for one, think they're pretty alright, and i'm an artist myself!
I'm annoyed by the comments saying that he should focus on improving his art and not also document it. He's not even bad, his first painting was done very well (i.e. blending, shadows). Do people not want to see an artists grow; are they that impatient for "good" art? Also the non-artists getting mad at the tracing baffles me. You can literally see his sketch in procreate! Lastly, most of the "constructive criticism" shown in this video clearly isn't coming from artists or people who have the vocabulary to critique. All of this is so disheartening to see.
Ive noticed Instagram is really really negative place Like unless its a reel about cute animals the top liked comment will be negative and rude for no reason
it seems like there's a recurring trend on the internet where any time an artist (especially a young artist) shows confidence in their work, they get absolutely dogpiled. there's a reason you see so many artists online captioning their work with self-deprecating descriptions even when the work is really good, and that reason is fear of receiving backlash for not being humble enough. it's kind of sad.
He’s not hurting anyone, he asked for (and appeared to take) constructive criticism to improve. He’s 18. What else CAN he do? He can post whatever tf he wants in my eyes, and I’ll defend him against needless hate comments. Is his art something I’d buy? No. But honestly these people going out of their way to hate on his every move are just using him as a punching bag for their sadness.
that painting in particular is so 2010s tumblr art, it’s making me cringe so hard because i would have probably engaged with it, especially knowing it was from a young artist
what’s actually wrong with the subject?? beyond it not suiting your taste, which is fine, but a lot of those ig comments came off as high and mighty because his art didn’t suit their tastes
@@reckless_herb there’s nothing wrong with the subject; like you said it’s not suiting my taste for reasons of not being executed well technically and for me personally seeming to lack anything other than surface level aesthetics. this is a very subjective opinion and doesn’t mean that there is anything ‘wrong’ about the artwork but for context my personal opinion stems and is in formed by 3 years of intense study of art and cultural practices. which to reiterate does not make my opinion any more or less valid - it just means for myself that i have changed some opinions and tastes i would have had when i was a teenager on tumblr if that makes sense
@@nahwhatever yeah that does. i appreciate the explanation. i’m currently a teen and i think the concept is cool, exclusively for aesthetics. most of my personal art is just for aesthetics too. i have like four completed pieces with any real meaning to me. i’m gonna be studying graphic design with a focus on illustration at a community college and i’m excited to learn more “proper” techniques. at this point i just throw stuff at my surface and hope for the best with a few techniques i learned in HS art classes. not literally, but i just mess around til i like how it looks
@@reckless_herb and that is so valid! i am a big fan of art that is merely aesthetically pleasing too - most of my tattoos are just flash pieces by artists i like without any ‘meaning’ behind it. i hope my comment didn’t deter you from pursuing your art in any way! also i just realised that another reason i do not like the artwork is because it reminds me too much of the vaporwave movement which again was popular when i was in my teens on tumblr :D
@@nahwhatever totally didn’t deter!! i think your perspective is interesting, and i like hearing from other artists. I also look back at stuff i liked a while back and cringe a little, so i get where you’re coming from too. I appreciate your willingness to talk about it with me :)
I enjoyed this video a lot, and I got stuck thinking on your comment about brand-focused content vs. a sort of counter culture through unedited content. It struck a chord! Keep up the good work :)
There is sooo much projection going on from ppl who think an 18 yr old should already have this art thing down pat and if not should shut himself away until he does. One thing I cannot stand about social media today is the idea that if you are going to even try for an audience you had better be pristine to start. Not like hey let’s watch this kid evolve and cheer him while he does,p. But no you take arty adult with varying degrees of success in their own professional lives and let them loose on the comment section to hurl every negative thing they had to endure coming up, rather than taking time to realize that approach doesn’t work. I do agree about the branding taking over. But I don’t think it will be a detriment to his career when galleries, art crawls, etc don’t turn around n say oh no ur reach would be terrible for my business, sadly it’s a plus nowadays. So yeah put trad art first if that’s where you wanna go, never pretend like improvements mean you can stop learning or caring and in 5 yrs or maybe 10. We always got the 10k hr banked to get ur foot in the door.but ya give it time n it will work out if you put the work in. All the negative nellies need to take a look at themselves and see if they weren’t just scolding themselves.
I'm surprised at how calm the tiktok response was because art tiktok is usually really harsh (ie, the rendering process drama, the jelly artsyle, etc) Still, i think the response is overblown on instagram
as someone who has spent years in traditional art, I think this guy is doing something interesting by marketing himself. being an artist doesn't automatically mean everything you make has to be super profound and meticulous! if this guy wants to build a brand out of himself to give himself better chances of making a living as an artist, then I would really love to see him succeed in that and for others to find similar success. it's so discouraging trying to make enough income as a traditional artist, which is why I abandoned it to become a software engineer instead. I wish I had known a marketing strategy like this was an option for me, and whether or not it could really work. I'm curious to see where he goes from here, and I appreciate what he's doing from a strategy perspective. everyone has different tastes when it comes to art so it's pretty unfair for random people to come in and tell him his style is bad and to give up, if they aren't colleagues who understand the direction he wants to go as an artist and can genuinely advise him, I dont think he should have to listen to their criticism. if he is posting these videos purely to bait people into looking at his art so that the few who do like it will find him and give him business, then I think thats very clever. he obviously wouldn't be taking people's criticisms on the internet too much to heart in that case, and his response of continuing to post and build his brand even in response to negative feedback makes total sense to me. it seems like he is just following through with exactly what he set out to do. if hes still just a high school student, im sure he has a community advising him and helping him develop his abilities Offline, and that is more than enough. he doesn't have to cater to the internet's opinions of how good his art is, he's just getting an early start in his artist career through a little marketing strategy.
they say he "cherry picked his hate comments" when he just highlighted that he got bad comments, and then immediately afterward talked about getting a lot of valuable criticism too. how is that cherry picking? this situation is just ridiculous, the people beiing unnecessarily harsh to him should be seriously ashamed of themselves and their behavior.
This is exactly what i was thinking. It's like what?? He did the thing that people said he should. Like did that commenter not think the emotion/meaning criticism was constructive? It feels like people were determined to shit on him no matter what he did and all he did was post about art that they don't like???
non-artists have no clue what tracing is. they heard someone say, "tracing is bad" and are applying it everywhere. jfc.
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Stupid people who think they know everything
They literally *make* tracing paper and light boards specifically for artists to trace. I stg Reddit and Instagram have some of the most brain-dead users that dwell in the comment section. Just a bunch of high and mighty wannabes feeling a little _too_ comfortable and confident saying dumb shit they're ignorant about.
Artists can never catch a break whether it's entitled people thinking they have a right to our works, or other people thinking they can "tell" artist what they should and shouldn't do when their only crime was trying to grow their brand. Which is _really hard_ for a lot of artists to do.
Ive used the internet to improve my art skills for as long as I knew of it’s existence. I never noticed how ingrained some of the internets most absurd ideas about art were until I actually entered art school and I found a light box in the classroom! I was so terrified of tracing even my own sketches that my teacher had to convince me it wasn’t a crime 😭. I wonder how many people take these extreme opinions to heart like I did but never see another perspective and suffer for it
One of my college drawing professors had a whole week dedicated to teaching us different tracing methods. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s work and presenting it as your own, I don’t think there is any harm in tracing. Personally, tracing helped me learn a lot about dimensions and perspective. It’s always disheartening to hear people who know nothing about art demonize it.
Imagining most these brain rot commenters having at least one tattoo and have seen their tattoo artist scale-up and trace their own design 💀
Hey so in competition and galleries you have to own the original images you are tracing from so it's recommended you take your own source photos because anything else will get rejected. Like I know you aren't totally oblivious but it's more than that.
i was taught that tracing technique to transfer any kind of drawing made on paper to the canvas in my first year in artschool....
Yeah fuck these Instagram comments. As someone who casually does digital art, seeing a mass of randos bashing on inoffensive art is the main reason why i struggled to have myself out there when i was younger.
I have nothing but respect for this kid for continuing to persist and do art in what seems like a way that makes him comfortable.
Thisssss. I don't get why some people use their time to be jerks, like it takes less energy to just ✨️not✨️
i feel like insta comments/posts should be talked about more cause they hella antagonistic
@@egg4666 they absolutely are
Drawing something digitally and transferring it isnt tracing art... he still drew it...?
That’s just being efficient haha. If u drew it no one should reeeally care. If i didnt feel the need to hand draw everything I’d be transferring to bigger surfaces all the time
I had a friend think I was tracing and said “you trace?! 😬”
when when I was lining my own sketch art work…can’t even do line art of your OWN work anymore without some ill informed non-artists screaming “tracing”
I hate how the art community is full of criticism from non artists who have no idea what they are talking about.
Right. If he'd actually traced over a couple of photos rather than using them as heavy reference, they wouldn't give off the same "stiffness" people knocked him for before (and after!) he posted the video about his transfer process.
@@thefiletypeiswrong7212yes! omg so many people who’ll tell an artist “i can’t even draw a stick figure” are also so quick to criticize art, especially the subjective aspects of art that ONLY have to do with taste, not skill or technique.
dude, there are people who think gridding a photo is “basically tracing”. as long as you’re tracing your own sketch/photo (or even a collage you made from other photos, but that might be controversial), it’s not “tracing” the way an art thief does. the people handing out that sort of criticism are not artists and do not know what they’re talking about
i understand the argument against tracing or editing *other people's* art, but if you aren't allowed to trace your own art, literally what are you allowed to do to it? 😅
Don't tell them the first step in any art project is to sketch an outline and then trace the best parts of it, so they stand out on top of the original sketch. Don't tell them that tracing is like step 3-4 in every art piece. Unless, you are free handing the entire thing, which isn't always great for accuracy.
It’s like this animal crossing drama I got briefly involved in
Waiting for these folks to learn old(-er) masters did trace if this counts as tracing
@@nerdjournal not very time efficient either 💀
That’s how I was taught to paint in my art class, by tracing.
Im so pissed at the tracing comments. He traced HIS OWN ORIGINAL SKETCH. That is something painters do!!! Its a very common technique!!!! God these are the worst parts of the online art community
Edit forgor to mention he STILL HAD TO PAINT THE DAMN STATUE. Thats not something you can do with only "lazy" tracing. The stuff is a little unoriginal but this kid has crazy skill!!! Like, hes a really good painter. Thats not the kind of thing an average highschooler can just bang out. God people are so horny to just be mean to kids in this community
they sell TRACING PAPER for gods sake. it's an actual technique that can be misused, but isn't always.
i hate peoples obsession with wanting strangers to make creative and original paintings. there will always be a market for that’s style of painting, and it’s totally subjective if it’s cool or not.
not all subjects are going to be interesting to everyone. criticizing it because you don’t think it’s interesting is stupid, that stuff is subjective. criticize techniques and processes with advice for improvement. not the subjective aspects of the art
The IRL art community is so refreshing after years of being in the online art communities. People aren’t as snotty towards you, the criticism is always helpful; it’s less rigorous and they’d be more impressed with the fact that you made art on MS Paint than willing to doxx you. IRL art is a lot less pressure and the people in that community are very often a lot more accepting.
We honestly need to start being snooty towards the online art community. They really need to be knocked down a few pegs.
You're mistaken. The original is also a trace. Reverse search it. It's a popular promo photo of the statue.
@@newhavencon-py5yyUsing a reference photo isn’t the same as tracing. He very easily could have just looked at the photo and drawn his own piece without tracing it
As someone who is an artist (mostly as a hobby as I cant afford to just do art), I feel like the situation was blown way out of proportion. Yes, his art could use improvement - its not particularly striking as is but he does have talent in art and it just needs to be refined and he should spend time trying to figure out what kind of art he wants to make and focus less on whatever might strike someone else's fancy. The comments about him tracing are unecessarily harsh - not everyone wants to draw directly onto a large canvas, and its easier to draw your sketch elsewhere sometimes and then transfer that to your canvas. Overall, i think the kid handled this situation as best he could, and people should really stop attacking him over something that really isnt that big of a deal.
I agree wholeheartedly
Gosh, those people will blow a fuse when they learn that renaissance artists had mad tracing skills. It's a tool like any other, that can be used for good or evil.
i feel like a lot of the hate comments (not criticism, just hate) were from nonartists who just wanted to feel good about themselves. as someone who frequently watches art content and does do art, theres often an urge to point out everything wrong with a video im watching just to feel better about my own skills. the thing i dont do is say those things. "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all."
EXACTLY the tracing thing is driving me esp crazy bc that just ,, doesn’t even make sense. attempting to redraw your sketch directly onto the canvas the exact same way but larger isn’t just unnecessary it’s literally just. incredibly stupid. it’s like if I handed in a research paper and someone scoffed like wow, couldn’t HANDWRITE IT with a homemade quill from a bird you caught like a real writer ??? like bro we literally have pencils and pens. you could do that if you want, but in the end we’ll still both have written research papers. doing something the difficult way for absolutely no reason doesn’t indicate ‘’’’’artistry’’’’’, it’s working slower and less efficiently for ????
at the AI part it became p clear to me that none of these commenters are artists, they in fact seem to hate art but also want to gatekeep it at the same time LMAO
Yeah that's literally a method every freaking professional painter has used.
"Maybe from his high school classmates-" Dude this sort of bullying apoligia is how we got into this mess in the first place. We need to stop acting like we're entitled to say every negative hurtful thought that enters our heads just because something is on the internet, period.
yeah internet strangers insulting me would've sucked, but my middle school classmates bullying me did fuck me up a bunch. I still have trouble saying anything positive about myself because of how the kids would tell me to stop bragging when I would say something like "hooray I passed this test." my internal voice of self-doubt never has to come up with anything original since it can repeat what others have said to me and be just as effective lol
interesting point. i feel like people are still treating our digital and IRL personas as separate entities, as if online, words just don't hurt. but they can and do, no matter what medium they're delivered in
Idk. While I understand what you’re saying, I interpreted that comment as “real life interaction” vs “if you don’t like it you could just scroll” I didn’t personally interpret his comment as saying it was “okay” to bully anyone, but that’s just my opinion.
Right. That comment threw me off guard a bit. Like, um, no? While I'm a huge fan of criticism, bullying is a completely different thing.
As someone who hopes to sell my oil paintings someday, it is a little discouraging to see the amount of hate this guy received just for trying to make it. I do agree that his art is a little basic and can be improved, but literally every craft can. Why is it frowned upon if he wants to document his progress? I personally love to see artist growth overtime, including the shitty stuff
i can’t understand what wrong with “basic.” basic just means something’s popular. it’s popular for a reason. ofc his skill and techniques can improve, but people are too quick to criticize completely subjective aspects of art. such as, subjects that aren’t symbols of hate
What im not getting too is the little "basic but-" "not winning any awards but-" "uninteresting but-" comments as well
I’m constantly on the lookout for new paintings, do you have a portfolio yet? I’d love to see your work! Also please don’t be discouraged, I think the main reason for the flack this kid is getting is due to his art not conveying anything. It’s essentially a practice piece rather than a self or outward reflection of anything, it’s like someone submitting their fruit stills to a gallery, that type of ballsiness usually doesn’t fair well on the internet. But the piece itself is not saying anything about the statues or a bygone past with how pristine they are, the splatters seem like ways to fill empty space because he’s not actually confident in his work yet to display any vulnerability, same goes with his branded persona.
I have art from aspiring artists in my collection and even though they are rough and the techniques are still rudimentary, they are still so interesting because of what they are. Reflections of the artist, the essence of what the artist is trying to express of themselves and it’s why it’s so good, so do keep creating and don’t let the internet get to you or your journey as an artist.
as an artist who studied in art school and had a degree in fine arts - it’s fine. not my style and certainly not getting any awards, but it’s objectively fine. his critique would go well, and he would probably get an 80%. it’s fine, people are just mean.
it’s totally my style and i don’t like people criticizing how “interesting” it is, because that’s completely subjective. Also, art can totally be made just cuz it’s neat to look at. it doesn’t need to be deep or meaningful to be good. I feel like people are wanting this 18 yr old to have a “refined” taste and the skills of someone who’s been practicing for much longer. i also think their idea of refined taste is only liking classical art and hating on modern art just because
@@reckless_herb ooh really good points all around. i think people don't realize how currently famous artists had much much longer to learn their craft, as well as more time to devote to it. vs today when tbh, this kid is RIGHT, if you want recognition within your lifetime you need to be multitalented and have a personal brand.
i've learned not to criticize based on how interesting art is to me, personally. like i used to hate acrylic pours cause i thought they were 'basic'. looking back, i feel like i was the basic one lol. now i have a beautiful set of acrylic poured coasters i found, and i can really appreciate the texture and craftsmanship of them. if i don't like a specific pour then that's ok, it doesn't mean someone's art is worthless.
not to mention, i'm so tired of people who over intellectualize art or focus on classical art over modern art. i don't know, it's exhausting at this point. i want to go back to the days when we just painted our hands on caves, it seemed fun
@@reckless_herb girl i know all this i still don’t like it and it’s objectively not the best but it’s still just “fine”
@@angellane1848 yeah my reply was mostly for the sake of discussion. :)
@@reckless_herbI'm not going to say much in response to this, but that "art doesn't have to have deeper meaning, it can just be something pretty to look at" should be highlighted. Personally, his style is not my taste, at all, I found it quite boring, but that's fine, because if he likes it, it's his art and he has accomplished his goal.
I haven't finished the video yet but that charcoal trick he showed is something you learn in art school. Those IG comments are stupid. You learn alot of tracing techniques for art pieces.
yuh. i learned it in elementary school art class. maybe middle school but 6th grade at the latest. it’s a great tool that i use often
Right! I’m an art teacher. I have a university education.
EVERYBODY traces. The idea that every artist just sit down and doodle a perfect picture on a blank canvas is uneducated, shallow and a deep misunderstanding of the craft.
some people are so ?? unnecessarily mean 😭😭 hes 18, and should be allowed to go through this ‘cringe’ phase, and if he wants to post his progress then good for him. Its not a crime to be corny or anything.. A lot of the criticism couldve been more constructive like. hes just a kid doing art, why do people act like they care so much.. I dont really see how the art is boring, its just. fine.
Hard agree. Even his "cringe editing skills" for the videos is fine for an 18 yr old. The most difficult part for most artists is actually the buisiness part so i think by starting both so young will actually serve him quite well in the long run. On top of that he seems to understand that even negative press still press and as PT Barnum said "theres no such thing as bad publicity". He's actually way ahead here and took all of this in stride and incredibly professionally
Fr. Everyone goes through cringe phases but nowadays people treat it as a crime (and by people I mean angsty children on IG reels)
in general, comments on viral instagram reels seem so mean for no reason ?? i have never seen a reel without at least one top comment being rude
So much hate on insta gram. I see paramore and Haley Williams clips a lot and I like that bc I like the band but every comment is some troll or nag hating on her… I’m like don’t comment if u hate it it’ll only make the algorithm think u like it!!!!
Facts!
6:52 I graduated art school and it was required in most classes to share your progress online. I even had a mandatory blog in my major. Making art is not just about the finished product, it’s about the process. And it’s not just about “getting good” it’s about sharing your work. Literally.
I even had to do this for a conservation course. We had to make a certain number of social media posts with pictures and commentary and everything. Even had to make a whole ass video documenting our process and voice over it for our final lol it's an Online age and getting mad for people sharing stuff online is just weird lol
even with his “uninspired” art style, the hate he’s getting is just utterly disgusting. as an artist who happens to be his exact age, the response to him innocently posting his art is so scary to see. i’m happy that he seems to be handling it all so well- but i hope this doesn’t deter him away from art in the long run.
I went to art school, just graduated with a BFA. And before I watch the video I’ll say this. It’s not original, David’s bust and some splatter painting? Not amazing, but at 18 when I first got to college I wasn’t making insane original artwork yet. It takes time and an understanding of the art world AND HISTORY to create something original. Now galleries are also tricky though bc they often look for a certain “look” so I wouldn’t go applying to them Willy nilly. But when I saw this video I didn’t even comment on it, it looks just like a bunch of my former classmates works which were then critiqued in class by the professors. We learn and grow and change. Is there a “right” way to make art? No! But there is definitely an aesthetically appealing way to make it and mass produce it. 🤷🏼♀️ also pls practice anatomy if ur going to use that oof
this exactly! im not saying going to art school is mandatory but learning how to take critique from people who have years in the business is important, yes you can love your art (and i hope he never loses that cause having to monetize ur hobby is bleak) but, you also need to know that some things just dont work in that kind of gallery art world
and its good for his age, but its not original enough, sorry to say 😅
Exactly. He's amazing for 18 and i totally see his potential.
Exaaaactly. I have critiques and feelings about the first painting and the second isn’t my cup of tea but let the boy improve and hustle jeez. The people absolutely hating on him need to chill.
@vl5008 right? I even have issues with how he's being portrayed in this video. His response was too edited? Mf he has skills. If you're mad, then get mad at the climate that elevates this highly edited style of content wtf.
I've got a degree in illustration, and I can't agree with you more. Commercial galleries (especially at the moment) are the worst places for artists to want to get into, they take a huge cut of the sale price for very little work, and have been known to mess with artists as much as they can get away with. If an artist wants to go with a gallery, they're best finding an artist run one or an indie one where they'll actually be appreciated.
He has some really good technical skills developing, but him centring making money with his art in his videos feels like a recipe for extreme burnout and crisis if it doesn't go that way. (I should know, it happened to me, and I'm still picking up the pieces of my life at 28)
As an artist who supports themselves through art, it is basically impossible to make a living without social media. There has to be a balance in both
Something stood out to me. ‘Good art will always stand out’ No. that’s not true at all. Art is enjoyed by artists. Art is bought by non-artists because they know the person who made it.
there was something i remember learning from an artist years back (dont remember who but they were well known at the time). they posted how they could spend hours on full rendered pieces and get 2-3 likes yet silly comics in a super deformed style that took minutes got thousands. good art DOESNT stand out. it does the exact opposite.
Literally. Like Van Gogh’s art pieces were considered so shit he only sold 1 piece, yet he skyrocketed in popularity after he died. His art is considered to be great yet it never stood out until his untimely death.
I spent my middle/highschool years in the online art community. And so much of my progress I could of made was stunted by people who said "don't use blending tools" "don't shade with black" "don't trace even for practice" "don't use bases" "don't copy someone's art style" If I had just studied more of the things they say NOT TO DO I would have progressed so much more.
People take art for granted and feel like they can actually abuse it for AI. They're harassing some dude who's tracing, which is a grey area for sure, instead of focusing on artists online actually being used and stolen from.
Tracing is literally such good practice too! Tracing unoriginal stuff is fine to practice, even! I did that for my practice. Especially hands lol and now I draw pinups with perfect hands 😂
I'm sure a bunch of other artists have also said this. But as an artist who went to art school, we were literally taught that technique of transferring your sketch onto the canvas by using tracing paper. It's a technique that's been around for centuries 😭
Fr like why do they think they sell tracing paper
6:31 I hate when non artists under price a piece of art work too. Like ... 10$?? Are you insane?? Youre not paying for a picture. Youre paying for the time, effort, and attention put into the piece.
jesus christ it's like crabs in a bucket. he's a kid, this is amazing artwork for a teen, and he has hustle unlike how i felt at his age (i thought art was a hopeless endeavor and it kinda is), he feels like he can make it and i don't know why everyone has to drag the poor dude down. this is like, early deviantart levels of hatred for no good reason. i really think they just want to drag him down because he has confidence and as much as people act like confidence gets you everywhere, if certain people feel like you don't deserve it, they're not gonna stop until they rip it away entirely. like, conceptually i don't really feel it, i think he went with an abstract art + statuesque look because he was making a piece for an art gallery and not because he was really invested in the subject matter, but he's got clear technical skill. calling his work 'crummy practice pieces' is just outright delusional. the fact that they're freaking tf out over someone tracing THEIR OWN ART just tells me that they don't draw and are just pretending they draw so they sound like theyre coming from a place of authority. thank you for showing this to me i needed more reasons to stay off of social media.
Why use the lord’s name in vain? Do you use your father’s or mother’s name in vain?
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@@ghoulishtoad I won’t be crying about it just got me angry but soon those that mocked God will be crying for mercy
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@@Idotdoesart You are blind and naked just like I was, it’s never to late to repent and believe in Jesus Christ he is the way the truth and life nobody goes through the father except through him.
Sobbing why are people so fucking angry these days 😭😭 Like I swear everyone's so aggressive these days. Like I literally don't care what the art is, it doesn't matter, what matters is how vial people are. Like the guy saying "Your attitude is the problem" Literally all the guy said was "dang my art didn't get into a gallery and imo it's p good" like any teen would. It's just massively taking things in bad faith, it's the steven universe effect where people take some mundane art that's p good and go "This show supports FACISTS" Like it's not my job to bend over backwards so that you aren't pissed off at me.
Sigh I agree it’s disappointing and idk if it’s the increased cost of living or what but it’s depressing
How is tracing your own art a rip off? Real artists do that all the time!!! It saves valuable time... I went to a hoity toity art high school and one of the teachers taught us that exact trick he used to make his digital drawing into a painting.
they are so mean to him. honestly the people who keep telling him to not post his art and that he is too brand focused, so what? it’s really hard to make money of your artwork especially if you make traditional art. i think it’s admire able that he’s trying to make a living out of what he loves to do. and i agree it sucks that he needs to focus more on the brand less on the art but that’s just how the algorithm works especially on instagram. i see so many artist struggling bc of ig’s obsession with reels. unless you post videos like his you wont get recomannded, you wont get views, you wont get engagement . hastags were the thing most small artist relied on but now that wont do anything for you, unless you already have a big following. this topic honestly makes my blood boil
Maybe I’m lame for this but… why does his art have to not be “lame” or cringe. Why can’t it just be home decor art with no deeper meaning. He’s literally 18 and he seems happy 🥹
Yeah, it's like people who super hate on romance novels bc they're "not REAL literature". Like, bruh, people like them, and the authors are making money. Everyone is having a good time but you. Why are you so mad?
I guess because he said he applied to galleries 😭
Yeah I don’t understand the hate for the tracing part. Artists do that all the time to get their sketches on their canvases, even I do that. It’s easier, plus if you mess up, you can try again.
I think for some reason people think he’s tracing someone else’s work even though he made it very clear it’s his own digital art that he’s just translating onto a canvas
@@mothmanlol6263 That's exactly it! People need to do more research on the okays and nos of tracing.
I saw the original reel and didnt think much of it, just its not my style. Seeing how much its blown up is wild
But as a side note its very hard for younger artists to find safe spaces on social media. I often see posts or videos of younger artists showing off their work and very happy with their progress with comments full of criticism. I cant imagine how overwhelming and demoralizing it would be to go viral to any degree only to see people picking apart your work.
it’s really discouraging to have a plethora of insults thrown your way for being a beginner.
he’s not even really a beginner. he’s quite skilled at 18. he can only have spent so much time practicing. even masters have room for improvement, there are a million and one ways to paint, there is always going to be a technique that you haven’t heard of before
Reminds me of the actual child that people attacked and sent death threats to, because they drew their characters with the eyes higher up on the forehead as a stylistic choice, and people tried to bully them off tiktok or something like that.
@@leadpencil-223 I did not hear about this, that is wild
@@snowysheep3857 yeah I didn't hear about it until a while after it happened either. People really thought they were doing the right thing by attacking some kid for how they drew 💀
The comment about him deserving hate from his high school classmates was honestly just unnecessary. Bullying someone for "posting cringe," is still bullying. What I think this video failed to mention was that what he's doing is completely harmless to anyone and completely harmless to himself. He still wants to improve his art so it's not like he's shooting himself in the foot here. I think a lot of people, even including artists, have developed this entitled attitude towards other people's art, where they expect every artists, trying to make a profit or not, to be the next da Vinci.
Just realized the reason I’m not an A list actor yet is because I’m not doing online branding correctly
No matter what someone says there will always be an audience for your art, your art will get better if you are willing to learn
When it comes to his technical skills, i think he's doing quite well especially for someone still in highschool. The subject matter wasn't that original, but composition-wise it wasn't horrible. He's got a strong foundation and i hope he can continue growing as an artist
It’s no one’s responsibility to be a “good” artist. Nobody owes anybody “good” art. We just do art because we’re human. It doesn’t need to be “sellable”
As someone still in the beginner phase of learning art, it actually angers me to see people giving him non-constructive and unnecessarily rude comments. Art's a hard thing to learn and it really takes a decent level of technical skill to even complete a painting like that, sure it's basic and a little shallow, but it probably took him a really a long time. I'd be proud of it tbh 😄
“Just traced on” these people really know NOTHING about professional painting ohhh my god
These fuckers would call Chuck Close a fake artist for using a grid
It's genuinely funny hearing all the people complaining about him "tracing". Apparently we're all tracers under their definition.
Maybe people think he's not mentally ill enough to produce deep art so they took it upon themselves to bully him🙃
That's sarcasm of course. The internet is horrible sometimes.
Wow, and this absolutely awful comment added to the shit-heap.
that’s so funny. why do so many people require art to be “deep” for it to be good/cool. or even a new and original concept. almost everything has been thought of at some point, there’s very little chance anything will be truly original
you joke, but do you remember that series of pictures some guy made of mental illnesses? theyre just lil cartoons with fairly simplistic interpretations of the symptoms of different diseases. people fucking ate that shit up. got tattoos of it and posted em. and theyre cute, sure. like trauma pokemon or something. but its hardly fine art. the association of mental illness, this "deep, dark, tormented" vibe made people treat his work more like real art than this kid, who is no less of an artist going through an artists struggle.
@@davidhetherman8127 nothing inherently. Online artists just tend to romanticize them, and not getting treatment
i will be honest my first thought was "looks a little AI" but as a young adult he has plenty of room to improve. also as an artist depending what medium i trace base layers multiple times (for digital it can be up to 4 or 5 times of different layers of refinement to get to line art) i get the feeling anyone whinging about him tracing his base art arent actually artists.
as an artist, i can believe that the meaning behind his art is genuine, even if it looks "tacky" and "soulless". when i was 18, i tried so hard to paint my emotions, but was ashamed of how it turned out, because that was the only way i knew how to draw back then. i only had enough of the experience for that. i'm sure he'll improve, people are just very mean to artists, as usual.
As an artist who wants to make it their career this is exactly why I'm scared to actually post any of it, I don't want to get "cancelled" because one painting looks kinda meh. That's actual insanity.
i don’t think this guy did anything but try and promote this art, i don’t think what he’s doing is cringe, i think his art is nice, and i have no idea why people are losing their mind over this. all i see is him posting his art and making goals to make a sustainable living on it.
People say the same stuff about Thomas Kinkade's paintings, but regardless of how many people hate his art, and whether its good or not, he is still among the most sucessful and widely known contemporary artists.
The comments make me so fucking mad, as an artist myself. They show a complete lack of understanding on anything. The guy wasn't even full tracing from another work! It was his own sketch, for fuck's sake. I get the art is boring, but he's a learning artist. Give him time and let him find his niche. The paintings aren't bad and I guarantee the people talking shit on him couldn't make something with half the quality.
Additionally the people complimenting him and using it as an excuse to knock modern/abstract art pisses me off too, because they don't know anything about modern art at all.
Exactly, there are different types of art, and they're all valid. I'm kinda sick of people putting down one to uplift the other. It's cool if people don't like abstract/modern art , I personally don't like realism. It doesn't make it "bad" art.
Tracing is in fact a valuable tool that can help your art improve. If you dont use it as a crutch.
And ofc if you trace your own art to make it bigger or feel more comfortable making linework digitally but painting traditionally then go for it!
And a gentle but firm reminder.
Art is subjective. Personally I dont like his art, it doesnt click with me. But others will like his art! And thats fine. If you dislike his art dont harass him.
exactly!! tracing can help you learn to see the details in something, it can get your body used to the motions and feel of drawing what you're trying to do, like, it's a genuine tool. it feels like so many people heard "you shouldn't rely on tracing to make art" and took that to mean "tracing in every single context is an unforgivable art sin". and like, yeah, he's tracing his own art, who cares???
I remember seeing that reel and thinking his art was cool, constructive criticism is fine, but I don’t really get the hate. I’ve seen a few other comments mention this but instagrams comment sections are honestly some of the most stupidly toxic places online.
I remember tracing my traditional art to make it digital, learned it in basically every art class I’ve taken in high school. Especially when it comes to making the piece larger to trace it onto a bigger canvas. People are allowed to have their own tastes in art but to be so hateful to young artists is so unwarranted.
ya i think his painting is neat. he ofc has room to improve but every artist does. even “masters” of the craft can continue to improve
whenever people talk about reddit and twitter (pre musk) being toxic, I get confused because they were downright wholesome in comparison to instagram comments.
@@SapphireSeahorse494 it completely depends on which side of each app you are on. i’ve been on both wholesome and toxic ends of any platform i’ve had an account on. you can find toxic anywhere you go. same with wholesome. you just gotta know how to cater your feed in the right direction
@@SapphireSeahorse494 yeah the only real toxism I've ever experienced on reddit is just straight up racism, homophobia and transphobia :/ at least they keep it open so I know what to avoid
@@SapphireSeahorse494A lot of twitter (I think at least recently) has opened up to the idea that maybe not everyone should be a raging asshole online. It's actually way more often on twitter I see people stop and think "hey isn't this being a jerk" than other social media.
However some parts still have people that will dogpile you, which is inevitable because the userbase is so big, but I don't see it as often I think. Surprisingly twitter kinda... matured a little bit???
Great example of how non-artist should just mind their business, stuff like this happens to young artists every other week. They probably already know that they need practice anyway.
Genuine congrats on the refill it’s awful being off it 🎉
"if the kid is cringe, let him be cringe" is such a bar. i want to print out that quote and staple it to peoples' foreheads
How is. Tracing YOUR OWN SHIT. Bad???
Ngl a majority of these comments, even the ones with constructive criticism just feels,,, super stuck up and "my opinion on your stuff is superior"
Ts drives off artists, no matter how 'good' your intentions are.
Craziest part is that the art isnt even offensive and people still found a way to lose their shit over it....
side note: What im not getting too is the little "basic but-" "not winning any awards but-" "uninteresting but-" comments as well, like there's nothing wrong with that- not everything's supposed to cater to your preference,,, especially when that thing is something someone else is proud of. Its just an unneeded remark.
And this is why i never post my handmade stuff online; there's the art community. And those people are the people that could push me over the edge with just a few words. Nah, keep your creations to yourself, if your a fragile little flower like me.
I thought transferring was more commonly known. I took multiple art classes during high school and each teacher would show us different ways to transfer your sketch onto your canvas. Whether it be using light, the charcoal method, or just a grid, it was always encouraged.
every little internet community got their own drama going on rn. the crochet community is fighting, the painters are fighting 😂
I think I'm most confused by his supposed insistence on getting into an art gallery - if I'm to take him at face value, I'm equally curious if he's trying get into any gallery, or if he's applying to the ones that would be more receptive to his art style. It all feels like ways to push his online virality, but given that there are folks his age who've done much worse with less talent in the name of money, I'm ultimately feeling indifferent about his shenanigans.
(Please don't let there be a milkshake duck situation after the fact...)
The kinda ironic part is a lot of people would consider a piece inciting a reaction one of the primary hallmarks of ‘art’.
As a former 18 year old artist myself, he’s literally doing nothing “wrong.” Omg, I look back at my portfolio from that time, stuff I was super proud of at that age and skill level that I just absolutely cringe at now😂 some has held up, some I still love, but my god there’s a few where I’m like my art teacher must have thought I was koo koo bananas when I made this😂 there was a nugget of my personal style forming there, but I was literally only like 1-2 years off from just drawing anime, and even 10 years on from that I’m still developing my personal style and who I am as an artist. I think social media has taught us it’s bad to be “cringe” but like, teenagers are inherently awkward we just didn’t have as much permanent documentation of that before now and there’s this weird pressure to be a fully formed perfect human in your online presence which just isn’t reality.
A lot has changed in the almost decade since I was there, social media and how young creatives use it is entirely different, and it’s so easy to open yourself up to what you think is useful critique but ends up just being people hiding behind a screen typing out every negative and hurtful thing. When you pursue art you learn how to give critiques that help people better themselves and their art and doesn’t just drag them and their art down for the sake of it. There’s a difference between being constructive and being destructive, both may hurt but one is meant to help. People really just want to hate on people sharing their creativity while pretending like they’re offering helpful advice.
6:50 the comment telling him to stop posting his progress online just absolutely hurts my soul. Why not? Why can’t he share? People share every other minute random minutia of their lives online. I see peoples random art come across my shorts all the time and I always give it a like because they had the courage to share that with the world and internet strangers. Art doesn’t need to be “perfect” to be shared, “good” art is subjective anyways.
Anyways, I hope he keeps pursuing it, learning, and can look back on himself in 10 years and maybe cringe a bit but also have a little pride for having the gumption to pursue this and share it.
Instagram is always just mean, really mean.
There’s this one video of an artist painting from the shadows to the highlights in that order. And yt comments were fine but instagram comments were completely dog piling on a beautiful piece because it wasn’t black? That same artist paints a diverse range of skin colors to begin with, it’s insane.
i really enjoy when you summarize the whole story at the end bc i have horrible memory and this helps me get the whole picture
These comments on his account seriously piss me off, so many people obviously dont know what tracing is of they think THATS tracing 🙄 What he's doing is called TRANSFERRING, which is something MOST traditional painters do for their paintings when they need to add it to a bigger or smaller canvas. People are just being assholes 😔
I dunno pal i remember so many friends selling their beautiful digital art for $10
And people still said it was overpriced
It's actually a really striking example of examining why something like this might not work, because there is obvious talent going into this. I think it's teliing how a lot of people just vaguely call it shlt and leave; I think many of these people would have trouble describing why it's bad - or let me put it a different way, they would have trouble describing how to make it better.
living for the queef jerky instead of the original audio
Even if the dude was 80 this amount of unconstructive vitriol would make absolutely no sense.
I feel bad for this poor kid. He is young and sure he has room to improve, but he is talented and has great potential. I hope he doesn’t let it get to him.
Sometimes artists make things because they enjoy the process, not to change the world
It amazes me how people has the nerve to educate someone on how to draw when they don’t even draw. Kinda like telling someone how to fix a car when they have no mechanic experience 😂
It's things like this that makes me scared to share my art online 😭
As an art student myself (though not a painter) I have had professors tell us to completely plan out paintings, create the image in photoshop, then trace it onto a canvas using a projector. This method of planning out your work does not make your work any less impactful.
Tracing your sketch onto another medium is SO normal and common. I feel bad for the kid, I’m amazed he kept posting, I think I would have bowed out after the first bad reaction
Honestly Twitter’s response makes a lot of sense. I got absolutely FLAMED by the art community on there for calling an art piece ugly.
I personally don't find his drawings interesting, but he obviously has some skill. He just needs to find a way to better apply himself. Art is a learning process. Even the most professional artists continue to learn and change. These ppl are just being overly judgmental without actually having anything constructive to say.
the way he traced his digital sketches onto traditional canvases is utterly genius. as someone mostly experienced with digital who wants to get into traditional paint and canvas, i'll have to give it a try. artists blending mediums is nothing new, and especially with large canvases, it's very difficult to replicate something you've already drawn. artists tracing isn't anything new either, and beyond that, even if it weren't, it's his own art that he's tracing which is an absolute non-issue. people went far too hard on him. he's clearly skilled and though he has room to grow, so does every artist; it doesn't warrant tearing him apart this hard. i can't blame him for putting a lot of emphasis on business either, not in this day and age. it's difficult to make a living as an artist, you've gotta do what you can
Bro what is even their problem, his art is fine 😭
man oh man if art school taught me one thing its how to take criticism, whether it being bad or good ya know?
having to monetize a hobby in to a career is hard, and alot of the times we lose the feeling and emotion behind why we started doing art in the first place, i hope that makes sense
it just kinda seems like he threw himself into it and is expecting vitality and fame right away 😭 thats not why people make art bro
mannn all the people complaining about using a projection/tracing have likely never taken studio art classes. not to mention they've probably plagiarized in an essay before. kids 18, and he shows promise, he needs to understand the basics yeah so his work can be fine tuned but idk he's a kid making art like...
I'm going to be contrartian.
Art, and artists are all different. We all have different goals and paths. No one has to follow any previously walked path in art.
People arguing that he's two brand focused, are ignoring that he has his own goals and aspirations.
I like what he's doing, and I think they could be the start his own personal style and/or brand.
I dont use TikTok, so Instagram is my main source of short form content. Pretty much every comment section below every Instagram reel is filled with trolls, degenerates, and key board warriors. It's toxic to the point of absurdity
people need to just let artists create their art without feeling the need to give unwanted “feedback” where they’re just whining about not liking their work
That video of his painting with the queen song would’ve gone so hard if it was real. I love Eminem type feet so much
I'm not even an artist and I know that tracing your own art is perfectly fine and probably a really good way to get your art onto a bigger canvas.
The way they accused him of tracing because he used a trace-over method to transfer his own drawing to a canvas kind of tells you everything you need to know. Tracing other's work for plagiarism is not the same thing as tracing your own work? Braindead.
as a """professional"""" artist, the whole thing abt people getting mad abt tracing was bizarre. i think this is one of those situations where people need to learn to use the block button instead of leaving comments telling a guy to get off the platform. hes making very much "high schooler" art. rooted in trite concepts, very collage looking, and refrencing more famous art styles/works. to me that makes sense w how much its drilled into young artists to "study the masters." hes just doing what he thinks it takes to be successful. that being said, there is something to say about how the paintings themselves to a degree but the generalized responces on tiktok were all like, facist talking points. the hatred towards "modern art" (our notion of "modern art" isnt even modern anymore! a lot of the works most mocked in these circles are decades old now!) is quite literaly a common facist talking point and honestly, not the kind of thing you want to put down in comparison to a work like this. if you want to make ugly and kitch type art then if anything you need to just embrace that harder and become more annoying about it, ala duchamp, right? but its a tightrope to walk when working with this kind of imgary. the concepts of what art works the art insitution (ie who makes the art history books) are fundamentally rooted in white supremacy. thats why, going back to my mentioning of the facistic nature of the anti modern art movement earlier, the fascist types are always like "why dont we make these epic statues anymore?" when you treat historcal artifacts and art as a simple aesthetic without researching them and underatanding their background, youre not able to really explore these concepts or add much commentrary. hence the "desktop wallpaper vibes". i think its not just a matter of getting offline its also a matter of understanding art history and forming an opinion on a subject rather than just using an iconic work or style as a subject with little thought beyond "i want to do what they say the so called masters did". thats what fundamentally i think would maybe distinguish his work beyond dentist waiting room poster. what about these works compell him to make art abt them for instance?
as an artist myself, the hate comments went way too far and many of them were clearly not made by experienced artists. i personally just find it bland. compositionally, it feels unbalanced and heavy on the right with too much emptiness on the left, and there is hardly any color. i feel like if he had gone monochrome with a specific color and experimented more, it would’ve been much better. but like, he’s 18. everyone starts somewhere. it isn’t even a bad painting. its just a normal realism study of a statue. if it was just for school, that would be one thing. i think most of the outrage came from the fact that he applied to a museum.
This is one of the most insane dogpilings I’ve ever seen in the art community (hyperbole). People calling this cringe are insane and are making perfectly harmless behaviors into something bad (as all cringe is), and the people calling it a cashgrab are also insane for being this horrifically harsh.
It’s most certainly not cringe and whether it’s a cashgrab or not does nothing for you. He didn’t burn down your crops, push over your cows or sleep with your wife-he’s done nothing but post his art in a format you don’t personally like.
the "tracing bad" argument is so stupid. it's such a 2016 deviantart/wattpad argument. tracing from good references can be good for budding artists to learn the basics of anatomy. except he didn't even trace another photo! HE TRACED HIS OWN FUCKING WORK!!!! IT'S STILL HIS!!! i'm so convinced the american school system has completely failed people in terms of art literacy. and his paintings aren't even bad! i, for one, think they're pretty alright, and i'm an artist myself!
I'm annoyed by the comments saying that he should focus on improving his art and not also document it. He's not even bad, his first painting was done very well (i.e. blending, shadows). Do people not want to see an artists grow; are they that impatient for "good" art? Also the non-artists getting mad at the tracing baffles me. You can literally see his sketch in procreate! Lastly, most of the "constructive criticism" shown in this video clearly isn't coming from artists or people who have the vocabulary to critique. All of this is so disheartening to see.
Ive noticed Instagram is really really negative place Like unless its a reel about cute animals the top liked comment will be negative and rude for no reason
Even if its about cute animals, you'll always find a handful of people screaming abuse (not the obvious troll ones)
@@blueberryjollyrancher1821 TRUE 🤣
Kind of funny how he was so confidently like “can you believe this one was rejected from galleries?” Then showed this piece.
this is a child, still learning and growing his skill. He is 100% more talented then 97% of the commenters
it seems like there's a recurring trend on the internet where any time an artist (especially a young artist) shows confidence in their work, they get absolutely dogpiled. there's a reason you see so many artists online captioning their work with self-deprecating descriptions even when the work is really good, and that reason is fear of receiving backlash for not being humble enough. it's kind of sad.
He’s not hurting anyone, he asked for (and appeared to take) constructive criticism to improve. He’s 18. What else CAN he do? He can post whatever tf he wants in my eyes, and I’ll defend him against needless hate comments. Is his art something I’d buy? No. But honestly these people going out of their way to hate on his every move are just using him as a punching bag for their sadness.
Lmaooooo his method of tracing your art is LITERALLY something you learn in art school. Everyone needs to chill
I post my art online and then don’t go online for days fearing what people will say about it 🙃
that painting in particular is so 2010s tumblr art, it’s making me cringe so hard because i would have probably engaged with it, especially knowing it was from a young artist
what’s actually wrong with the subject?? beyond it not suiting your taste, which is fine, but a lot of those ig comments came off as high and mighty because his art didn’t suit their tastes
@@reckless_herb there’s nothing wrong with the subject; like you said it’s not suiting my taste for reasons of not being executed well technically and for me personally seeming to lack anything other
than surface level aesthetics. this is a very subjective opinion and doesn’t mean that there is anything ‘wrong’ about the artwork but for context my personal opinion stems and is in formed by 3 years of intense study of art and cultural practices. which to reiterate does not make my opinion any more or less valid - it just means for myself that i have changed some opinions and tastes i would have had when i was a teenager on tumblr if that makes sense
@@nahwhatever yeah that does. i appreciate the explanation. i’m currently a teen and i think the concept is cool, exclusively for aesthetics. most of my personal art is just for aesthetics too. i have like four completed pieces with any real meaning to me. i’m gonna be studying graphic design with a focus on illustration at a community college and i’m excited to learn more “proper” techniques. at this point i just throw stuff at my surface and hope for the best with a few techniques i learned in HS art classes. not literally, but i just mess around til i like how it looks
@@reckless_herb and that is so valid! i am a big fan of art that is merely aesthetically pleasing too - most of my tattoos are just flash pieces by artists i like without any ‘meaning’ behind it. i hope my comment
didn’t deter you from pursuing your art in any way!
also i just realised that another reason i do not like the artwork is because it reminds me too much of the vaporwave movement which again was popular when i was in my teens on tumblr :D
@@nahwhatever totally didn’t deter!! i think your perspective is interesting, and i like hearing from other artists. I also look back at stuff i liked a while back and cringe a little, so i get where you’re coming from too. I appreciate your willingness to talk about it with me :)
I enjoyed this video a lot, and I got stuck thinking on your comment about brand-focused content vs. a sort of counter culture through unedited content. It struck a chord! Keep up the good work :)
There is sooo much projection going on from ppl who think an 18 yr old should already have this art thing down pat and if not should shut himself away until he does. One thing I cannot stand about social media today is the idea that if you are going to even try for an audience you had better be pristine to start. Not like hey let’s watch this kid evolve and cheer him while he does,p. But no you take arty adult with varying degrees of success in their own professional lives and let them loose on the comment section to hurl every negative thing they had to endure coming up, rather than taking time to realize that approach doesn’t work.
I do agree about the branding taking over. But I don’t think it will be a detriment to his career when galleries, art crawls, etc don’t turn around n say oh no ur reach would be terrible for my business, sadly it’s a plus nowadays. So yeah put trad art first if that’s where you wanna go, never pretend like improvements mean you can stop learning or caring and in 5 yrs or maybe 10. We always got the 10k hr banked to get ur foot in the door.but ya give it time n it will work out if you put the work in.
All the negative nellies need to take a look at themselves and see if they weren’t just scolding themselves.
'Today on grown ass adults bully a child...' 🙄
He got caught up in a hater algorithm, I feel so bad for him. He is young and talented. I hope this doesn't stop him from creating
non artists giving their opinions on the tracing really grinds my gears
I'm surprised at how calm the tiktok response was because art tiktok is usually really harsh (ie, the rendering process drama, the jelly artsyle, etc)
Still, i think the response is overblown on instagram
as someone who has spent years in traditional art, I think this guy is doing something interesting by marketing himself. being an artist doesn't automatically mean everything you make has to be super profound and meticulous! if this guy wants to build a brand out of himself to give himself better chances of making a living as an artist, then I would really love to see him succeed in that and for others to find similar success. it's so discouraging trying to make enough income as a traditional artist, which is why I abandoned it to become a software engineer instead. I wish I had known a marketing strategy like this was an option for me, and whether or not it could really work. I'm curious to see where he goes from here, and I appreciate what he's doing from a strategy perspective. everyone has different tastes when it comes to art so it's pretty unfair for random people to come in and tell him his style is bad and to give up, if they aren't colleagues who understand the direction he wants to go as an artist and can genuinely advise him, I dont think he should have to listen to their criticism. if he is posting these videos purely to bait people into looking at his art so that the few who do like it will find him and give him business, then I think thats very clever. he obviously wouldn't be taking people's criticisms on the internet too much to heart in that case, and his response of continuing to post and build his brand even in response to negative feedback makes total sense to me. it seems like he is just following through with exactly what he set out to do. if hes still just a high school student, im sure he has a community advising him and helping him develop his abilities Offline, and that is more than enough. he doesn't have to cater to the internet's opinions of how good his art is, he's just getting an early start in his artist career through a little marketing strategy.
they say he "cherry picked his hate comments" when he just highlighted that he got bad comments, and then immediately afterward talked about getting a lot of valuable criticism too. how is that cherry picking? this situation is just ridiculous, the people beiing unnecessarily harsh to him should be seriously ashamed of themselves and their behavior.
This is exactly what i was thinking. It's like what?? He did the thing that people said he should. Like did that commenter not think the emotion/meaning criticism was constructive? It feels like people were determined to shit on him no matter what he did and all he did was post about art that they don't like???