Good review, been looking for this kind of analysis since, though there is a little correction to be made and that is John Nash in the movie wasn't treated with ECT but rather with the antiquated Insulin shock therapy.
Maybe Nash just wasn't what you think he should have been. Doesn't fit YOUR paradigms, does he. This is silly anyways. The movie version barely deals with the "motivations" and personal dynamics that the real John Nash dealt with.
This was a project for a psychology masters program, where the whole point is to find the discrepancies in how diagnoses are represented or misrepresented in film. So it is not based solely on the real John Nash but how he and his disorders are portrayed in the movie, possible misdiagnosis, and how they do or don’t fit into the DSM 5 used by the psychology community. :)
@@lisagelburt5532 You may or may not know, but homosexuality may have been a part of the real Nash's life. When that was brought up during filming, Russell Crowe said there was no way he was going to bring that in. I had a loved one going thru a severe breakdown during the time of that film's release. I can tell you, ma'am, NO ONE in the psych industry listens to the afflicted ones or their families. Not in any way that promotes healing. Just Rx's and professional control.
@@lisagelburt5532 it's very noticeable that its only master level work. It's way to simplistic, and why els would you analyze a movie character instead of the real person.
I respectfully Disagree that it's Schizophrenia....the Correct diagnosis imo would be NPD. I come to this conclusion through Jungian psychology mostly. a Beautiful Mind Is about Carl Jung....who was a Philosopher in his secret life, and this wasn't revealed until "the red book" was released. it's best to Look at this movie to a Deeper degree as Jung would in Seeing elements as "Archetypes" The "big Brother" Agent William parcher was his "Father" or "god" his father was Abusive and had just as the agent did, he kept him in a confused state every time they interacted....it was fear, threat to his life, anxiety, not knowing what was coming next. charles....was the archetype of "the great mother" he was the one most supportive and played a Mother like role to john through the movie....BUT the mother was also abusive, as you can see when charles was displeased with john, he berated him and made him feel like he was worthless. he literally does this and says he's ashamed of john in the movie. and how pathetic he is. Marcy funny enough was john as his empathic self as a child....being unnoticed.....this is made clear in points like when she's running through the field of pigeons and they dont react to her at all although shes running around even though she is a hallucination, it's a double effect in the story telling......this is also shown in her because shes always shown wanting validation in the form of a Hug....and when she is denied that she becomes sad and let down immediately this is also shown in the film expressly. All this treatment then coupled with how his wife was reacting to him treating her a certain way....Pay very very close attention to Nash in the movie. no matter that the meds are making him not able to perform with his wife....he's unwittingly displaying narcissistic traits by neglecting his wife and not giving her any attention regardless of whether or not shes aware it's the meds doing it, he doesn't even explain that, and thus causes her to feel so ignored, so void of attention and love from the person who is continually telling her something opposite of what he's putting into action.......and she like any normal person not understanding had to release that anger because she didn't know what to do. she was clearly displaying what happens to a person who is in a situation with a person putting them through Narc abuse....no one understands it but her. and she has no support. he is a Narcissist....he just has no idea, because his parents made him that way by virtue of raising them how they did, which is expressed only through the lens of the Archetypal hallucinations.
@Rational Dreamer a narcissist wouldn't have that either....because they simply lack a conscience to think of others besides himself or the things he's interested in....seeing as he did that the entire movie....Like I said what I'm doing is analyzing using jungian psychology.....and since this movie was based on jung and not john nash....per Nash himself. and jung really was a spy in ww2, I'd like to believe im right in my stance. you have to look at the characters almost independently from the story they are playing in, and not actually pay attention to the story....character wise, nash was acting narcissistic. story wise, he was schizophrenic imo. Or now that I have delved more into jung....i could say he was just individuating himself, and the people around him had no idea what that entailed, not knowing they treated him as though he was crazy, when he was just attempting to understand himself, something that most people have no clue how to do, nor the desire.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 thats why I say those were just elements of the story using his parents and himself in his childhood life. Big brother was his 'father" his best friend was his "mother" and the kid was "him" as a kid who wanted attention. they used the hallucinations just as story elements. but the main story was him the entire time. it doubled as a "hero" story something also seen in Jungian psychology heavily, he states that we all are going through one in our personal lives in some way shape or form. and this work of art here shows no different, read his book "man and his symbols" he says that we all build up events in our lives as if we are battling a mythical dragon for its treasure.....in the movie he was doing that....it's just not fleshed out, likely because carl jung was a spy in WW2 of course it wouldn't be. also...that doesnt prove much when john nash said himself the movie is not about his life. he stated that himself.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 did you read what i said......John nash himself says that movie was not about his life..... AGAIN THE MAN JOHN NASH says that movie was not about his life.....they used his name, the "theory of everything" thing which was the basis of the movie when he was in college was not about mathematics. look at Jungs works....things line up.
This deserves way more views
Extremely helpful for my Psychology essay very well said!
This was a very well structured and in-depth analysis of the Movie , i really enjoyed it .
Thanks for your work, I really appreciate it. Your kindness and inspiring analysis are really admirable. LOVED IT!
how does a video this awesome and informative only have 72 views?? this is a great video! keep it up ^-^
Did not realize the niece was also an illusion but the scene where his roommate picked her up makes it all come together.
Very informative. Thank you for sharing these!
These videos will pull off soon. Very informative and well done.
You might want to read the book. The move dumbed down his illness in a way that was really unrealistic.
Thank you so much for this! Extremely helpful!
Good review, been looking for this kind of analysis since, though there is a little correction to be made and that is John Nash in the movie wasn't treated with ECT but rather with the antiquated Insulin shock therapy.
Could you post the links to the references mentioned in the video?
what treatment would you suggest for John Nash
when you said continue therapy, did you mean ECT?
Why is the volume so low?
Maybe Nash just wasn't what you think he should have been. Doesn't fit YOUR paradigms, does he. This is silly anyways. The movie version barely deals with the "motivations" and personal dynamics that the real John Nash dealt with.
This was a project for a psychology masters program, where the whole point is to find the discrepancies in how diagnoses are represented or misrepresented in film. So it is not based solely on the real John Nash but how he and his disorders are portrayed in the movie, possible misdiagnosis, and how they do or don’t fit into the DSM 5 used by the psychology community. :)
@@lisagelburt5532 You may or may not know, but homosexuality may have been a part of the real Nash's life. When that was brought up during filming, Russell Crowe said there was no way he was going to bring that in. I had a loved one going thru a severe breakdown during the time of that film's release. I can tell you, ma'am, NO ONE in the psych industry listens to the afflicted ones or their families. Not in any way that promotes healing. Just Rx's and professional control.
@@lisagelburt5532 it's very noticeable that its only master level work. It's way to simplistic, and why els would you analyze a movie character instead of the real person.
I respectfully Disagree that it's Schizophrenia....the Correct diagnosis imo would be NPD.
I come to this conclusion through Jungian psychology mostly. a Beautiful Mind Is about Carl Jung....who was a Philosopher in his secret life, and this wasn't revealed until "the red book" was released.
it's best to Look at this movie to a Deeper degree as Jung would in Seeing elements as "Archetypes" The "big Brother" Agent William parcher was his "Father" or "god" his father was Abusive and had just as the agent did, he kept him in a confused state every time they interacted....it was fear, threat to his life, anxiety, not knowing what was coming next.
charles....was the archetype of "the great mother" he was the one most supportive and played a Mother like role to john through the movie....BUT the mother was also abusive, as you can see when charles was displeased with john, he berated him and made him feel like he was worthless. he literally does this and says he's ashamed of john in the movie. and how pathetic he is.
Marcy funny enough was john as his empathic self as a child....being unnoticed.....this is made clear in points like when she's running through the field of pigeons and they dont react to her at all although shes running around even though she is a hallucination, it's a double effect in the story telling......this is also shown in her because shes always shown wanting validation in the form of a Hug....and when she is denied that she becomes sad and let down immediately this is also shown in the film expressly.
All this treatment then coupled with how his wife was reacting to him treating her a certain way....Pay very very close attention to Nash in the movie. no matter that the meds are making him not able to perform with his wife....he's unwittingly displaying narcissistic traits by neglecting his wife and not giving her any attention regardless of whether or not shes aware it's the meds doing it, he doesn't even explain that, and thus causes her to feel so ignored, so void of attention and love from the person who is continually telling her something opposite of what he's putting into action.......and she like any normal person not understanding had to release that anger because she didn't know what to do. she was clearly displaying what happens to a person who is in a situation with a person putting them through Narc abuse....no one understands it but her. and she has no support.
he is a Narcissist....he just has no idea, because his parents made him that way by virtue of raising them how they did, which is expressed only through the lens of the Archetypal hallucinations.
@Rational Dreamer a narcissist wouldn't have that either....because they simply lack a conscience to think of others besides himself or the things he's interested in....seeing as he did that the entire movie....Like I said what I'm doing is analyzing using jungian psychology.....and since this movie was based on jung and not john nash....per Nash himself. and jung really was a spy in ww2, I'd like to believe im right in my stance. you have to look at the characters almost independently from the story they are playing in, and not actually pay attention to the story....character wise, nash was acting narcissistic. story wise, he was schizophrenic imo.
Or now that I have delved more into jung....i could say he was just individuating himself, and the people around him had no idea what that entailed, not knowing they treated him as though he was crazy, when he was just attempting to understand himself, something that most people have no clue how to do, nor the desire.
John Nash was a schizophrenic genius. NPD could not account for the severe hallucinations he suffered.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 thats why I say those were just elements of the story using his parents and himself in his childhood life. Big brother was his 'father" his best friend was his "mother" and the kid was "him" as a kid who wanted attention.
they used the hallucinations just as story elements. but the main story was him the entire time. it doubled as a "hero" story something also seen in Jungian psychology heavily, he states that we all are going through one in our personal lives in some way shape or form. and this work of art here shows no different, read his book "man and his symbols" he says that we all build up events in our lives as if we are battling a mythical dragon for its treasure.....in the movie he was doing that....it's just not fleshed out, likely because carl jung was a spy in WW2 of course it wouldn't be.
also...that doesnt prove much when john nash said himself the movie is not about his life. he stated that himself.
@@Keldaj Read the book. It actually describes his life and illness in detail. He wasn't merely NPD.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 did you read what i said......John nash himself says that movie was not about his life.....
AGAIN
THE MAN JOHN NASH says that movie was not about his life.....they used his name, the "theory of everything" thing which was the basis of the movie when he was in college was not about mathematics. look at Jungs works....things line up.