Jago Hazard, I am confused. I hated commuting to London. I loathed travelling on the tube. I have no interest in trains. I have little interest in history other than archaeology. So why I am addicted to your channel? Why does any new episode make me feel that all is right with the world and there is hope? Why do I get so positively excited when any Central Line station gets mentioned, and almost wet myself if it's at the eastern end? Why do I find your alliteration so hilarious? Why are your dreadful puns so equally amusing? I truly have no idea, and the idea that one day you'll have "done" the tube, come to the end... It almost gives me a panic attack.
I don't live in London. Or commute to London. I'm only travelling in London if going to an event or on a day trip. Yet I'm also addicted to Jago's channel.
@@TheNemocharlie I'm sure I've seen them both quoted elsewhere in the past. Jago is good enough at digging out obscure facts or fictions that I don't think he needs to invent any.
Ian, I know how strong Jago is on his facts, but he also has a wicked sense of humour! Besides, he's being kept honest by his gazillions of supporters who I would imagine are above average in their enthusiasm to bring to his attention any minor errors...
4:15 "The proposed railway is laid out directly under a line of fine timber trees, and your petitioners fear that the vibration which the use of the railway would occasion, and the withdrawal and disturbance of water which would result from its construction, will have an injurious effect on this avenue and on the surface of the Heath elsewhere" - - Official complaint put forth by the Hampstead Heath Preservation Society "Just see what an absurd thing! Disturbance of the water when we are 240 feet beneath the London clay - about the most impervious thing you can possibly find; almost more impervious than granite rock! And the vibration on this railway is to shake down the timber trees?! Could anything be more ludicrous than to wast the time of the Committee in discussing such things presented by such a body?!" - - The Charing Cross, Euston & Hampstead Railway's official response (Yes, those are the actual word-for-word real-life historical quotes)
You are bang on! I was thinking exactly the same. He is the perfect Victorian villain, a cross between an ugly sister, the wicked witch of the north and Rackmann. As slippery as an eel. As cunning as Fagin. After shaking hands with him, you wouldn't be worried about counting your fingers, you'd just be relieved if you still had a hand.
Oh, Yerkes not so bad, I mean he had his hand in the till, but its not a crime, just a bit dodgy and only ripped off greedy investors on the skim, not the meat
"DeLancey Louderback" would not be at all out of place as the name of either victim or murderer in an Agatha Christie novel. He would probably be the sixth Earl of Louderback, and the crime would take place at Louderback Hall in Kent.
As a kid in the 50’s and relatively a local, it was always ‘High-get’, never ‘High-gate’. Same for Ludgate and Bishopsgate - but never for Moorgate or Aldgate.
English shares with French that orthography (the way you write a word) has very little to do with phonology (how you pronounce a word). It differs from French because French is consistent, and English isn't.
Well, that's just the usual in English, any vowel after the stress has a tendency to be reduced (as we linguists call it) to a dull schwa vowel /ə/. At least we can be grateful that it's still got the hard Norse /g/ in the "gate" - if it had shown an Old-Engishs tyle /j/ you'd get the same problem as Chopgate "chop-yat" /t͡ʃɔpjat/ in Yorkshire and you'd end up with something sounding like "height".
I wonder if the pronunciation of -gate as -get is a regional thing. My town has 6 or 7 streets in the town centre whose name ends in - gate and are pronounced as such.
@@adscri I've read that London had a bunch of different accents in the 19th century. Specifically, I read it in Real Life In London, published 1824 when it was a bit harder to travel to London. (The book mentions Kings Cross as a very busy coach station.) Its full of surprises, including a statement to the effect that the accent commonly called Australian is (was!) in fact that of a certain district of London. I forget which district, it might have been Whitehall.
Years ago I watched a documentary about the late and great Richard Burton and for a short time he taught drama at Oxford university and he would often invite his students to his rooms of an evening to read the classics to them and one of his students said in the documentary that Burton “had an enthralling voice that was so wonderful to hear that it didn’t matter what he was reading, he could have read the yellow pages and you would have been entertained”. The reason I mentioned this is because Jago is the same, I don’t mean he sounds like Richard Burton, but rather I could listen to him talk all day. So know I’m wondering if it would be possible for Jago to read the yellow pages but more importantly if he could read the lines from the 1977 Jeff Wayne musical War Of The Worlds so we could dub Jago over Richard Burton’s lines, just for a bit of fun. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Oh dear... I haven't thought about that album in years. I'm sure we could find something better for Jago to narrate than that--more Tales from the Tube, for example. All the same, a video on Horsell Common and other real-life sci-fi locations might be interesting.
A suggestion for a future video after seeing this one mention Lots Road power station ... How about 'Where Did The Underground Get Its Electricity From ?'. I'd find it interesting ... . . .
I once got put up in the Refectory across the road from Golders Green Tube station, when sitting on my bed after coming out of the shower I looked in the mirror I realised I could see straight into a train at the tube station, then the couple looked away. 😲😲
It wasn't station staff who operated the gates at the car ends - it was "gatemen", who travelled on the trains. There was one at one end of each car (who operated that gate, and the adjacent one on the next car). I _think_ one of the gatemen also acted as guard for the whole train. So, for example, a five-car train required five traincrew - a driver, plus four gatemen (one at the leading ends of cars 2, 3, 4, and 5). Very inefficient in terms of staff. The introduction of air-worked sliding doors a decade or so later (allowing a crew of just two - a driver and a guard - to work a multi-car train) reduced staffing requirements considerably.
This might be an interesting video you could do, did you know that On the Clogher Valley Railway at Fivemiletown, in Ireland, a lady called Maggie Coulter had a goat and it frequently stood on the track blocking the path of trains oblivious to shouts from the Loco Crew, until hot coals were thrown at it. The uncharitable Maggie Coulter would let it stand until the fireman had thrown enough coal to do her fire.
Another fine tale of the tube.- How about one on the remains of the trams/trolley bus network that still remains in London,if only as an excuse for you to get more B roll footage ?!
Everytime I hear 'Hampstead Tube', I always hear in my head, the skit "In the Lav" by Peter Cook and Dudley Moore (as Derek and Clive)...where it begins, "I was down Hampstead Tube, in the lav, there..."
The last time I visited London was in September 2017, but every time you post a video, I feel like I am visiting again briefly. I'd like to visit again once the current madness stops.
Christmas Day family dinner and festivities in Chiswick in 2019,nearly six months after my previous venture into the capital. That branch of the family's previous house was just a short walk from Turn 'Em Green station.
There has been some talk recently of separating the two Northern Lines. So maybe there is a chance of renaming one of them. One idea might be to keep the Northern Line name for the High Barnet/Bank/Morden line and using the 'Hampstead Line' for the Edgware/Charing X/Battersea line, or even something new like the 'Trafalgar Line' as it passes by the famous square.
If I had to guess, in an alternate reality where TfL has the money to upgrade Camden Town, I think they will just keep it as the Northern Line. On the map the line at Camden will be separated to the two branches like in Euston and both will be black and named the northern line. And a decade later the mayor of London will insist that the separated lines will have different names and it won’t happen. Like the overground. And make the circle a circle again
The Morden route could become The Southern Line as ironically it's the tube line that goes further south but not furthest north. I think furthest north is Chesham, just beating Epping (North Weald and Blake Hall would have pipped it though, as in the mists of time did Aylesbury and Verney Junction). Chesham also looks to be furthest west, by a fraction from Amersham, and Upminster furthest east.
Unfortunately, English tradition dictates that if a name has been in common use for at least 40 years, then it cannot be simply changed without a huge outcry from Traditionalists, which then forces the Government of the day to intervene. Thems the rules.
I suggest _"Northern LIne"_ for Battersea-Charing X- High Barnet and _"Southern Line"_ for Morden-Bank-Edgware, because those go furthest North and South respectively. It always was an anomaly that Morden is on the Northern Line.
An interesting perambulation through the Warrens of a much extended and merged railway. The story telling is Streets ahead of many others reaching Heights undreamt of by lesser racontuers.
Stations that serve Hampstead. West Hampstead (Jubilee Line) West Hampstead Thameslink West Hampstead (London Overground North London Line) South Hampstead (London Overground Euston-Watford DC Line) Hampstead (Northern Line) Hampstead Heath (London Overground North London Line) But is there a tube station or railway station that serves North Hampstead and East Hampstead. Or does North Hampstead and East Hampstead not exist.
I arrived in London in 1961 and found the Underground THE most fascinating mode of transport. My first experience was Notting Hill to Shepherds Bush. Apart from the interesting escalator rides in the time of mini-skirts, I remember when they first went from smoking everywhere (sitting in a smoke filled cinema) to some restrictions where you had only two dedicated smoking carriages, (2 and 7). I left England in 1982 and the Underground had just become completely smoke free. They had even begun to wash the platforms clean. So advanced!
Thanks Jago - great video. Thoroughly researched and well presented. A joy to listen to. 👏🏾👏🏾 Will have to listen to this again in order to digest the facts. 👍🏾👍🏾
A nice, precise history of the Hampstead Line! I also like that you filmed most (if not all) of this in warm weather, with lots of greenery and people in warm weather clothing. There is hope we'll get through winter!
Golders Green actually makes far more sense than Hampstead operationally as a tube terminus because it is above ground; plenty of space for sidings, carriage sheds etc at far lower cost than if in tunnel. Maybe Yerkes bringing his operational know-how to bear as well as property speculation. Two surprises for me; the first was that the Embankment extension made such a huge difference to ridership (connectivity!) and the second that the Waterloo extension only came in the 1920s - I can't imagine Waterloo without it, although one could use the Bakerloo prior to that and change at Trafalgar Square (initially) or Embankment. The Archway to Highgate extension was presumably refused due to opposition from the Great Northern who wanted to keep their Finchley/High Barnet traffic. Nice to see Yerkes back again and it conjures up the usual thought; he was dodgy financially but he got the lines built, even if it was his successors who had the tough task of improving them to make them actually pay.
Wrote _"Maybe Yerkes bringing his operational know-how to bear as well as property speculation."_ You don't need Yerkes' operational know-how to realise it is cheaper to build a depot in the open rather than under the ground, just a brain cell or two.
@@dukenukem5768 The less obvious bit is realising it's worth building 2 miles of extra tunnel to achieve this and give potential for future extension, rather than stabling the trains back down the line somewhere.
@@iankemp1131 Right. They maybe could have built a depot in the Chalk Farm area next to the LNWR depots, although the access would need an incline to ground level like Northumberland Park depot. Belsize Park and Hampstead stations served existing housing, but Bull and Bush was built in the hope/expectation of new housing on Hampstead Heath, which did not materialise. So you could say that Yerkes mis-judged it there, but having got that far you might as well push through to Golders Green with (then) empty fields to site your depot and with sure prospects of future housing.
It was indeed she who encountered moustache twirling Yerkes on a trans Atlantic crossing, and was horrified by his ambitions of progress and electrification.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard Yerkees' name in Jago's videos. As an aside, I don't suppose you could make a video about the Glasgow Underground?
Although yerkes having some wrong doings, he undenieably did form whats now the underground part of TFL , as itherwise instead of either having more square or mire modern designs of most trains(67/72/73) we'd have hundrets if wierd incapatable designs
Although the connections to Mornington Crescent do include the popular inverted diagonal interchange, is there any truth to the idea that this was first popularised (and subsequently integrated into the game 'Mornington Crescent') by Sir Charles Yerkes, resulting in the Tyson Variation to the rules?
I wish someone had told me that Hampstead Underground Station doesnt have stairs and only a lift as I have a massive phobia of lifts! Same with Euston Square Underground Station as well!
I really do enjoy your videos, they teach me what I didn’t know but am interested in (even when I don’t realise it) and all delivered at the perfect pace and with great enthusiasm
Hmmm... Mentioning it directly after Warren Street would be invalid under Lord Nesborough's variation, and result in him being placed "in Nidd" for the next three turns
Another entertaining video, Mr Hazzard. 2:47 I'd be obliged if, when citing any mischief that Mr Yerkes instigates, you refer to it as "shady shenanigans" since it has a nice alliterative sound. I also agree with other posters that an "evil theme" is needed for this gentleman.
@Jago Hazzard Have you ever seen the little brown or black mice that live amongst the Tube tracks? My wife, mother in law and I once spent 3 days in London and we saw them a few times when we travelled around on the Tube.
Is there not a specific breed of rodent, found only on the tube? I'm sure I read something about that. Pretty sure there's a flea, or similar, only found down there too.
@@2H80vids There are two species of moth exclusive to the tube, one mostly black, one mostly white. They've bred down there. (I don't know why they're classed as species rather than subspecies.) I don't know about mice, but I'd almost be surprised if there wasn't a specific breed in the tube.
"The Southern end pointing at the River, rather than the City..." Next time you're on the Circle Line, get off at Westminster, and walk up to the Statue of Boudicca. Then look over the River at the skyline, where you will see the Dome of St Paul's Cathedral.
Jago at 1:48: "It's one thing to plan a railway, it's quite another to raise the money to do it." Me: "Oh no, Yerkes is part of this, isn't he?" Jago at 2:32: "That would have to wait for the man from Chicago." Me: "Yup. Knew it.
Well Jago found GAWD for them less than bleedin posh station attendants, if the posh lot had their way we would ave a station called Hedgeware.instead of Edgeware Blimey WOT NEXT?. Tot Ten HAM instead of TotNam
Many Thanks, as usual, for your videos Jago. They help calm our morning routine at breakfast without the intrusion of the madness of current emergencies and politics.
@4:15 "the residents" had a good point that the Tube could change the character of Hampstead Heath - Yerkes would have loved seeing houses built all over it. As it was the Tube was built under it anyway and there ensued a fight to stop such houses being built anyway. Fortunately "the residents" won that fight.
Archway (originally named Highgate) used to have a Leslie Green station building on Junction Road. I remember waiting outside it many a time as a wee kid after visiting my grandma, asking why we couldn't catch the Tube home (we lived near Bounds Green) instead of a boring old 41 bus. This was before I'd ever seen a Tube map. Sadly the Green station was demolished around 1970, to eventually make way for the present tower block. For a few years the vacant site was partially occupied by a peculiar polygonal structure in brown stone, but despite numerous efforts I've never been able to track down a picture of it.
Someone spotted a lady who appeared several times in different episodes and asked "Has she had her baby yet?" On Hammersmith or Acton Town Piccadilly line platforms, I think. Though I think the clip you refer to is actually Highgate at 6:40 (pedantry rules OK)
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Ignoring the title of the video, I would have assumed the best answer for your opening question was the City and South London Rwy. Not only is the name gone, but the running tunnels were redone so, in a sense, the line does not exist anymore.
Actually, the tram depot was initially called Holloway - and stayed that way when the trolleybuses arrived. But it was renamed to Highgate in 1950 (when LT merged their tram & trolleybus department with their red bus department), because there was already a bus garage called Holloway. After that other garage closed in the early 70s, the former tram depot regained the Holloway name. You can still see a remnant of the period that it was called Highgate, though. It was allocated the garage code HT, which it retained even after its name reverted to Holloway. You can still see that code painted on the side of buses running out of Holloway garage.
Now maybe I have missed something… probably … surely … but how Charles Yorkies came in GB and decided he was going to do something about underground at first ? Who shouted for help ? (If so) And most of all; where came the finance’s ? The other thing is we all know that most of the London stations were build at least 2 decades before WW2 … I wonder if all overground and underground escaped from the bombing ? I know Bethnal Green had some damages, but I haven’t much on this part of history. Maybe you could help me have a few answers with that Jago (if you wish so of course). Thanks for reading me.
Excellent - but my usual plea - more maps! I know this history pretty well as an Underground nerd of some vintage, but still got confused. Brief cutaways to explanatory maps would have been very welcome. As it was, I had to watch it a second time with a tube map open in another window! Also, a mention of the planned, but never completed, link between Finchley and Edgeware (?) would have been nice. I know Jay covers this in one of his videos, but it would have fitted in nicey here too.
Jago Hazard, I am confused. I hated commuting to London. I loathed travelling on the tube. I have no interest in trains. I have little interest in history other than archaeology. So why I am addicted to your channel? Why does any new episode make me feel that all is right with the world and there is hope? Why do I get so positively excited when any Central Line station gets mentioned, and almost wet myself if it's at the eastern end? Why do I find your alliteration so hilarious? Why are your dreadful puns so equally amusing?
I truly have no idea, and the idea that one day you'll have "done" the tube, come to the end... It almost gives me a panic attack.
I don't live in London. Or commute to London. I'm only travelling in London if going to an event or on a day trip.
Yet I'm also addicted to Jago's channel.
"It seems likely that both these stories were made up..." I'm sure that's true, but part of me thinks: "Indeed. Made up by Jago".
@@TheNemocharlie I'm sure I've seen them both quoted elsewhere in the past. Jago is good enough at digging out obscure facts or fictions that I don't think he needs to invent any.
Ian, I know how strong Jago is on his facts, but he also has a wicked sense of humour! Besides, he's being kept honest by his gazillions of supporters who I would imagine are above average in their enthusiasm to bring to his attention any minor errors...
These questions and many more will be answered in the next episode of Tales From The Tube
I’m not sure Mornington Crescent is valid. Doesn’t that cross a diagonal on a Sunday? Can we ask Mrs Trellis to adjudicate?
Came here to say that. He’s clearly in Nidd.
I'm so glad that Jago is one of 'them of us, what talk proper'. Without that syllabic clarity, I'd be lost
Just you wait,'Enry 'Iggins!
Most fings wot Jago said was proper, but some fings was properer than wot ovvers was.
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4:15 "The proposed railway is laid out directly under a line of fine timber trees, and your petitioners fear that the vibration which the use of the railway would occasion, and the withdrawal and disturbance of water which would result from its construction, will have an injurious effect on this avenue and on the surface of the Heath elsewhere"
- - Official complaint put forth by the Hampstead Heath Preservation Society
"Just see what an absurd thing! Disturbance of the water when we are 240 feet beneath the London clay - about the most impervious thing you can possibly find; almost more impervious than granite rock! And the vibration on this railway is to shake down the timber trees?! Could anything be more ludicrous than to wast the time of the Committee in discussing such things presented by such a body?!"
- - The Charing Cross, Euston & Hampstead Railway's official response
(Yes, those are the actual word-for-word real-life historical quotes)
Just the sort of response such preposterous objections deserve.
same logic as the stop HS2 protesters
We definitely need a Yerkes "villainous" jingle... (or leitmotiv if you prefer...) to be played just before he gets a mention.
Played on an old timey piano.
You are bang on! I was thinking exactly the same. He is the perfect Victorian villain, a cross between an ugly sister, the wicked witch of the north and Rackmann. As slippery as an eel. As cunning as Fagin. After shaking hands with him, you wouldn't be worried about counting your fingers, you'd just be relieved if you still had a hand.
Even a puff of smoke and the sound of lightning...
Oh, Yerkes not so bad, I mean he had his hand in the till, but its not a crime, just a bit dodgy and only ripped off greedy investors on the skim, not the meat
@@highpath4776 You're entitled to your opinion, of course. If he came round my house, I'd count the spoons before he left...
"DeLancey Louderback" would not be at all out of place as the name of either victim or murderer in an Agatha Christie novel. He would probably be the sixth Earl of Louderback, and the crime would take place at Louderback Hall in Kent.
Or if not in one of Agatha Christie's novels, definitely in the novels of her semi-autobiographical character, Ariadne Oliver. :)
Perhaps Louderback was the only one loud enough to makes Yerkes listen.
And you know instantly that he was a wrong-un!
As a kid in the 50’s and relatively a local, it was always ‘High-get’, never ‘High-gate’. Same for Ludgate and Bishopsgate - but never for Moorgate or Aldgate.
English shares with French that orthography (the way you write a word) has very little to do with phonology (how you pronounce a word). It differs from French because French is consistent, and English isn't.
Well, that's just the usual in English, any vowel after the stress has a tendency to be reduced (as we linguists call it) to a dull schwa vowel /ə/. At least we can be grateful that it's still got the hard Norse /g/ in the "gate" - if it had shown an Old-Engishs tyle /j/ you'd get the same problem as Chopgate "chop-yat" /t͡ʃɔpjat/ in Yorkshire and you'd end up with something sounding like "height".
I wonder if the pronunciation of -gate as -get is a regional thing. My town has 6 or 7 streets in the town centre whose name ends in - gate and are pronounced as such.
@@frislander4299 But that doesn’t explain the difference in pronunciation of Highgate and Moorgate.
@@adscri I've read that London had a bunch of different accents in the 19th century. Specifically, I read it in Real Life In London, published 1824 when it was a bit harder to travel to London. (The book mentions Kings Cross as a very busy coach station.) Its full of surprises, including a statement to the effect that the accent commonly called Australian is (was!) in fact that of a certain district of London. I forget which district, it might have been Whitehall.
I'm upset that Jago mentions Mornington Crescent directly after Warren Street. I believe that's an invalid move under the Tudor Court rules.
While sharing your concern, I believe the move is actually valid in this instance, as Jago had (perhaps accidentally) invoked the Yerkes Gambit.
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How old are you!?
I'm Sorry I haven't a Clue - one of the most British radio shows ever.
Does that mean Jago is now in nip? We need a video about Ongar!
Indeed 🎉
When it comes to info from jago,he's never dull, never boring,always precise.
His voice makes it entertaining
Years ago I watched a documentary about the late and great Richard Burton and for a short time he taught drama at Oxford university and he would often invite his students to his rooms of an evening to read the classics to them and one of his students said in the documentary that Burton “had an enthralling voice that was so wonderful to hear that it didn’t matter what he was reading, he could have read the yellow pages and you would have been entertained”.
The reason I mentioned this is because Jago is the same, I don’t mean he sounds like Richard Burton, but rather I could listen to him talk all day. So know I’m wondering if it would be possible for Jago to read the yellow pages but more importantly if he could read the lines from the 1977 Jeff Wayne musical War Of The Worlds so we could dub Jago over Richard Burton’s lines, just for a bit of fun. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Maybe we could find a copy of 'Fly Fishing' by J R Hartley for him to narrate...
Jago channels David Mitchell far more than Burton, although I concur that his voice is easy on the ear!
"The chances of Charles Tyson Yerkes coming from Mars is a million to one" he said.;))
Oh dear... I haven't thought about that album in years. I'm sure we could find something better for Jago to narrate than that--more Tales from the Tube, for example. All the same, a video on Horsell Common and other real-life sci-fi locations might be interesting.
Another train commentator on UA-cam also has one of those special voices - have a listen here ua-cam.com/video/Rs4oNLiB0vw/v-deo.html
Charles Tyson Yerkes always looks as though he should be animated in the style of Terry Gilliam's inserts in Monty Python's TV shows 😁
Yes! That ‘tache definitely needs a wobble!
Just like W.G. Grace as the Face of God.
"like them of us what talk proper" -- classic Jago humor what makes me draw unwanted attention from me mates in the office (I'm from US)
A suggestion for a future video after seeing this one mention Lots Road power station ...
How about 'Where Did The Underground Get Its Electricity From ?'.
I'd find it interesting ... . . .
I once got put up in the Refectory across the road from Golders Green Tube station, when sitting on my bed after coming out of the shower I looked in the mirror I realised I could see straight into a train at the tube station, then the couple looked away. 😲😲
Pongo, I trust that you were presentable.
@@thomasburke2683 The blinds were never opened again for the rest of our stay.
It wasn't station staff who operated the gates at the car ends - it was "gatemen", who travelled on the trains. There was one at one end of each car (who operated that gate, and the adjacent one on the next car). I _think_ one of the gatemen also acted as guard for the whole train.
So, for example, a five-car train required five traincrew - a driver, plus four gatemen (one at the leading ends of cars 2, 3, 4, and 5). Very inefficient in terms of staff. The introduction of air-worked sliding doors a decade or so later (allowing a crew of just two - a driver and a guard - to work a multi-car train) reduced staffing requirements considerably.
I thought it was a six man crew as they also had a second driver too
@@chrisinnes2128 That would be the fireman - to stoke the fire.
@@dukenukem5768lol very funny
@@dukenukem5768 I once stoked the fire of a railwoman(official title)who worked at Charing Cross(now Embankment)back in 1975.
Happy days!!
The arrangement seems very good for generating employment opportunities.
This might be an interesting video you could do, did you know that On the Clogher Valley Railway at Fivemiletown, in Ireland, a lady called Maggie Coulter had a goat and it frequently stood on the track blocking the path of trains oblivious to shouts from the Loco Crew, until hot coals were thrown at it. The uncharitable Maggie Coulter would let it stand until the fireman had thrown enough coal to do her fire.
Another fine tale of the tube.- How about one on the remains of the trams/trolley bus network that still remains in London,if only as an excuse for you to get more B roll footage ?!
Everytime I hear 'Hampstead Tube', I always hear in my head, the skit "In the Lav" by Peter Cook and Dudley Moore (as Derek and Clive)...where it begins, "I was down Hampstead Tube, in the lav, there..."
... I had to have it weighed at the forensic laboratories...
@@daveoftheclanburgess ...A piece of paper, came under the f***ing door....
"Are you handy?"
@@mbrady2329 "So I pulled up my trousers..." 'They were down, were they?' "...they were down..."
The last time I visited London was in September 2017, but every time you post a video, I feel like I am visiting again briefly. I'd like to visit again once the current madness stops.
Same here. Last visited Christmas week 2019.
Christmas Day family dinner and festivities in Chiswick in 2019,nearly six months after my previous venture into the capital. That branch of the family's previous house was just a short walk from Turn 'Em Green station.
There has been some talk recently of separating the two Northern Lines. So maybe there is a chance of renaming one of them. One idea might be to keep the Northern Line name for the High Barnet/Bank/Morden line and using the 'Hampstead Line' for the Edgware/Charing X/Battersea line, or even something new like the 'Trafalgar Line' as it passes by the famous square.
"This Northern Line" & "That Northern Line"
If I had to guess, in an alternate reality where TfL has the money to upgrade Camden Town, I think they will just keep it as the Northern Line. On the map the line at Camden will be separated to the two branches like in Euston and both will be black and named the northern line. And a decade later the mayor of London will insist that the separated lines will have different names and it won’t happen. Like the overground. And make the circle a circle again
The Morden route could become The Southern Line as ironically it's the tube line that goes further south but not furthest north. I think furthest north is Chesham, just beating Epping (North Weald and Blake Hall would have pipped it though, as in the mists of time did Aylesbury and Verney Junction). Chesham also looks to be furthest west, by a fraction from Amersham, and Upminster furthest east.
Unfortunately, English tradition dictates that if a name has been in common use for at least 40 years, then it cannot be simply changed without a huge outcry from Traditionalists, which then forces the Government of the day to intervene. Thems the rules.
I suggest _"Northern LIne"_ for Battersea-Charing X- High Barnet and _"Southern Line"_ for Morden-Bank-Edgware, because those go furthest North and South respectively. It always was an anomaly that Morden is on the Northern Line.
As someone who uses the northern line as their primary transport, hearing about its development is super interesting!!
When working in London many years ago, to my great amusement, one of my colleagues would address my as 'Ampstead. My name being Keith.
Was it ‘Keef’ as well?
@@adscri It absolutely was!
"Yes, those were real complaints"
They actually wouldn't look out of place nowadays, as scary as that sounds.
Quite true. One sees similar things lodged as objections to planning applications.
Absolutely. Irrational scares remain part of human nature. Now to take my axe to that 5G mast. I've heard they make babies be born with two heads.
Crossrail causes Climate Change!!!
Yet again, Jago presents us with a fascinating and entertaining pile of utterly useless information.
But then what is life but a pile of ultimately useless and meaningless information?
It is 8.30 and the second bottle of beer
May I suggest that Cable Haulage on the Charing Cross Branch has been shown not to be a good idea
Gotta say, Jago, your stuff is fascinating.
An interesting perambulation through the Warrens of a much extended and merged railway. The story telling is Streets ahead of many others reaching Heights undreamt of by lesser racontuers.
Stations that serve Hampstead.
West Hampstead (Jubilee Line)
West Hampstead Thameslink
West Hampstead (London Overground North London Line)
South Hampstead (London Overground Euston-Watford DC Line)
Hampstead (Northern Line)
Hampstead Heath (London Overground North London Line)
But is there a tube station or railway station that serves North Hampstead and East Hampstead. Or does North Hampstead and East Hampstead not exist.
Ah, Mr Yerkes, we’d been expecting you!
Your filing system of B roll and photographs must be extensive these days!
Is there a biography of Yerkes? He sounds like precisely the utter cad I would love to read about.
I arrived in London in 1961 and found the Underground THE most fascinating mode of transport. My first experience was Notting Hill to Shepherds Bush.
Apart from the interesting escalator rides in the time of mini-skirts, I remember when they first went from smoking everywhere (sitting in a smoke filled cinema) to some restrictions where you had only two dedicated smoking carriages, (2 and 7).
I left England in 1982 and the Underground had just become completely smoke free. They had even begun to wash the platforms clean.
So advanced!
Thanks Jago - great video. Thoroughly researched and well presented. A joy to listen to. 👏🏾👏🏾 Will have to listen to this again in order to digest the facts. 👍🏾👍🏾
A nice, precise history of the Hampstead Line! I also like that you filmed most (if not all) of this in warm weather, with lots of greenery and people in warm weather clothing. There is hope we'll get through winter!
We need to start a fund for a Yerkes statue
The "Northern Line" that goes the furthest South but not the furthest North. Oh well, that's London.
My first born will be named DeLancy Louderback Marrison, irrespective of gender.
CTY bingo! Ding ding ding!
Your database/collection of clips must be massive at this point. I hope you do regular backups! :D
Golders Green actually makes far more sense than Hampstead operationally as a tube terminus because it is above ground; plenty of space for sidings, carriage sheds etc at far lower cost than if in tunnel. Maybe Yerkes bringing his operational know-how to bear as well as property speculation. Two surprises for me; the first was that the Embankment extension made such a huge difference to ridership (connectivity!) and the second that the Waterloo extension only came in the 1920s - I can't imagine Waterloo without it, although one could use the Bakerloo prior to that and change at Trafalgar Square (initially) or Embankment. The Archway to Highgate extension was presumably refused due to opposition from the Great Northern who wanted to keep their Finchley/High Barnet traffic. Nice to see Yerkes back again and it conjures up the usual thought; he was dodgy financially but he got the lines built, even if it was his successors who had the tough task of improving them to make them actually pay.
Wrote _"Maybe Yerkes bringing his operational know-how to bear as well as property speculation."_ You don't need Yerkes' operational know-how to realise it is cheaper to build a depot in the open rather than under the ground, just a brain cell or two.
@@dukenukem5768 The less obvious bit is realising it's worth building 2 miles of extra tunnel to achieve this and give potential for future extension, rather than stabling the trains back down the line somewhere.
@@iankemp1131 Right. They maybe could have built a depot in the Chalk Farm area next to the LNWR depots, although the access would need an incline to ground level like Northumberland Park depot. Belsize Park and Hampstead stations served existing housing, but Bull and Bush was built in the hope/expectation of new housing on Hampstead Heath, which did not materialise. So you could say that Yerkes mis-judged it there, but having got that far you might as well push through to Golders Green with (then) empty fields to site your depot and with sure prospects of future housing.
I love it when "That Mans" name is mentioned, you just know skulduggery is afoot.
Yerkes! We haven't seen him for a bit. (Cue: villainous music)
Jago, interesting video, as usual. Especially interesting is that it's posted in the middle of winter, yet much of the video was shot in summer.
Perhaps a video is needed on Henrietta Barnett and the establishment and design of Hampstead Garden Suburb.
It was indeed she who encountered moustache twirling Yerkes on a trans Atlantic crossing, and was horrified by his ambitions of progress and electrification.
My house made it into the video! Feeling like a celebrity
The Hampstead Tube? Oh good I got the answer right.
Yerkes, oh joy of joy, he's back, we do like a good old villain.👌🏻
I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard Yerkees' name in Jago's videos.
As an aside, I don't suppose you could make a video about the Glasgow Underground?
In HHartford, HHereford, and HHampshire, hhurricanes hhardly hhappen.
Delancy Louderback might have worked for a shady fellow, but I still loved his performance in Sherlock.🧐
I like the b / w drawing @ 7:52!!!🙂🚂🚂🚂
re: /highget/ I told a group of kids that I pronounce "ate" as /et/ and they looked at me like I was mad.
Although yerkes having some wrong doings, he undenieably did form whats now the underground part of TFL , as itherwise instead of either having more square or mire modern designs of most trains(67/72/73) we'd have hundrets if wierd incapatable designs
Although the connections to Mornington Crescent do include the popular inverted diagonal interchange, is there any truth to the idea that this was first popularised (and subsequently integrated into the game 'Mornington Crescent') by Sir Charles Yerkes, resulting in the Tyson Variation to the rules?
Which station has those wonderful mahogany art nouveau doors at 5.54?
I wish someone had told me that Hampstead Underground Station doesnt have stairs and only a lift as I have a massive phobia of lifts! Same with Euston Square Underground Station as well!
Just enjoyable to listen to you. Thanks. 👍
I really do enjoy your videos, they teach me what I didn’t know but am interested in (even when I don’t realise it) and all delivered at the perfect pace and with great enthusiasm
Ooh, another Jago video. Sir you are spoiling us. @2:42, it's been a while since Yerkes featured. 😂
Yerkes - transport super villain!
Cue Railway Magazine making uppity comments about Jago.
Once again Mr.Hazzard has done it again. This Man is a genius.
Oooooohh, UA-cam sticking ads 2/3rds the way into your video. Thats a bit cheeky!
I was just about to go to bed, it can wait ten minutes.
You said Mornington Crescent, you win the game. 😁😆❤️
And treat yourself to a pint in the Lyttelton Arms, across the road from the station.
Hmmm... Mentioning it directly after Warren Street would be invalid under Lord Nesborough's variation, and result in him being placed "in Nidd" for the next three turns
love your videos
Another entertaining video, Mr Hazzard.
2:47 I'd be obliged if, when citing any mischief that Mr Yerkes instigates, you refer to it as "shady shenanigans" since it has a nice alliterative sound.
I also agree with other posters that an "evil theme" is needed for this gentleman.
He does have a magnificent moustache, did he tie young women onto train tracks and snigger a lot “nyahhh nyahaha”.
@Jago Hazzard Have you ever seen the little brown or black mice that live amongst the Tube tracks?
My wife, mother in law and I once spent 3 days in London and we saw them a few times when we travelled around on the Tube.
They can also be seen on the platforms, where they run along the joints between the tiles, never across the tiles themselves.
Must be rats too
Is there not a specific breed of rodent, found only on the tube? I'm sure I read something about that. Pretty sure there's a flea, or similar, only found down there too.
@@2H80vids There are two species of moth exclusive to the tube, one mostly black, one mostly white. They've bred down there. (I don't know why they're classed as species rather than subspecies.) I don't know about mice, but I'd almost be surprised if there wasn't a specific breed in the tube.
@@eekee6034 Interesting. I've never heard of the moths.
18 minutes, 1.16 thousand views. That is impressive.
i was about to search for “ronan (taylor’s version)” but this was in my recommended, jago > taylor for times like this
4:15 "...and cause drought. Yes, those were all real objections."
And in the case of the later one and the stop HS2 protesters, still is.
Brilliant video.
Archway is in common use now but was it previously known as "The Archway".
"The Southern end pointing at the River, rather than the City..."
Next time you're on the Circle Line, get off at Westminster, and walk up to the Statue of Boudicca. Then look over the River at the skyline, where you will see the Dome of St Paul's Cathedral.
Seriously considering changing my name to Delaney Louderback…
just surprised it wasnt The Third.
Jago at 1:48: "It's one thing to plan a railway, it's quite another to raise the money to do it."
Me: "Oh no, Yerkes is part of this, isn't he?"
Jago at 2:32: "That would have to wait for the man from Chicago."
Me: "Yup. Knew it.
On his recommendation, Today I went and had a look at the Woolwich Ferry, and the Theamesmead Estate....
Was it actually open? (The Ferry), it's been shut mostly since New Year.
@@mushy3424 Only one in operation.
@@andrewnelson4057 it's a minor miracle even one is open. The new ferries have been a disaster from day one. They don't even have a spare any more.
@@mushy3424 What about Dame Vera...?
3:06 Delancey Louderback? Really...this was actually his name?!
Well Jago found GAWD for them less than bleedin posh station attendants, if the posh lot had their way we would ave a station called Hedgeware.instead of Edgeware
Blimey WOT NEXT?.
Tot Ten HAM instead of TotNam
A Yerkes appearance in a Jago video is the equivalent of an allotment appearance in a Geoff Marshall video
Do we get points?
Maybe you ought to look at the proposed extension to Ewell & Epsom
Excellent. Sunday and a new Jago video.
Many Thanks, as usual, for your videos Jago. They help calm our morning routine at breakfast without the intrusion of the madness of current emergencies and politics.
@4:15 "the residents" had a good point that the Tube could change the character of Hampstead Heath - Yerkes would have loved seeing houses built all over it. As it was the Tube was built under it anyway and there ensued a fight to stop such houses being built anyway. Fortunately "the residents" won that fight.
Archway (originally named Highgate) used to have a Leslie Green station building on Junction Road. I remember waiting outside it many a time as a wee kid after visiting my grandma, asking why we couldn't catch the Tube home (we lived near Bounds Green) instead of a boring old 41 bus. This was before I'd ever seen a Tube map.
Sadly the Green station was demolished around 1970, to eventually make way for the present tower block. For a few years the vacant site was partially occupied by a peculiar polygonal structure in brown stone, but despite numerous efforts I've never been able to track down a picture of it.
That clip of Hapstead entrance is stock footage? Or that tennis player is very active
Someone spotted a lady who appeared several times in different episodes and asked "Has she had her baby yet?" On Hammersmith or Acton Town Piccadilly line platforms, I think. Though I think the clip you refer to is actually Highgate at 6:40 (pedantry rules OK)
First read this as “Whatever happened to the Hamster Tube”
Its a curiosity if the AC&F cars still exist? Even one for a repatriation to Berwick.
Jago, you’ve explained how the Northern Line got is name, but should it still be called that when it goes further south than the others?
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Ignoring the title of the video, I would have assumed the best answer for your opening question was the City and South London Rwy. Not only is the name gone, but the running tunnels were redone so, in a sense, the line does not exist anymore.
Great video.😊
02:38 and my dog is howling with delight, the village has broken out into song as a picture of "Him!" appears.
is this a Yerkes story that... isn't entirely a charlatans ruse?
Awesome. Just finished watching Finchley and then this was uploaded. ♥️
5:42: “Carriages Made From Wood 🪵”-this makes me think 💭 of BRIO! I *LOVED* BRIO when I were a WEE NIPPER!!
Great information and video as usual..!!
MORNINGTON CRESCENT!!!
Confusingly at Archway the Tram Depot was called Highgate, then renamed to Holloway when the Trolleybuses came.
Actually, the tram depot was initially called Holloway - and stayed that way when the trolleybuses arrived. But it was renamed to Highgate in 1950 (when LT merged their tram & trolleybus department with their red bus department), because there was already a bus garage called Holloway. After that other garage closed in the early 70s, the former tram depot regained the Holloway name.
You can still see a remnant of the period that it was called Highgate, though. It was allocated the garage code HT, which it retained even after its name reverted to Holloway. You can still see that code painted on the side of buses running out of Holloway garage.
Oh, what happened to you, whatever happened to me?
What became of the tube lines we used to be?
Now maybe I have missed something… probably … surely … but how Charles Yorkies came in GB and decided he was going to do something about underground at first ? Who shouted for help ? (If so) And most of all; where came the finance’s ?
The other thing is we all know that most of the London stations were build at least 2 decades before WW2 … I wonder if all overground and underground escaped from the bombing ? I know Bethnal Green had some damages, but I haven’t much on this part of history. Maybe you could help me have a few answers with that Jago (if you wish so of course).
Thanks for reading me.
5:35 what how did American car and foundry make rolling stock for the London Underground and delivery from the USA?
Excellent - but my usual plea - more maps! I know this history pretty well as an Underground nerd of some vintage, but still got confused. Brief cutaways to explanatory maps would have been very welcome. As it was, I had to watch it a second time with a tube map open in another window! Also, a mention of the planned, but never completed, link between Finchley and Edgeware (?) would have been nice. I know Jay covers this in one of his videos, but it would have fitted in nicey here too.