Winchester Experimental Mag-Fed Garands
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Even during World War Two, it was clear that the United States was interested in improving on the M1 Garand rifle. A company that could develop and update to the Garand to make it selective-fire and feed from a box magazine would be in a great position to sell the government a ton of rifles, and everyone knew it. These two rifles illustrate some of the Winchester company's efforts in that realm.
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Me: *googles magazine fed garand
Google: M14. Take it or leave it
BM59 has enter the chat.
BM59 mk III open the mic
Google: hey buddy, just what you see
@@bluespy4050 im looking for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range
If it looks like a magazine-fed Garand, but isn't - then it is either an M-14 or a BM-59. The Italian vision for modernization of the Garand is similar to the American M-14 project in some respects, but rather different in others. The BM-59 was/is a fascinating answer to the question of how to replace/update the M-1 service rifle.
Vanguard devs:we can make a game based around this
And they fucking did
what
i was about to comment this
except far more cursed
Treyarch be like "make it 3 round burst"
950 rds/min in 30-06 from a shoulder fired weapon - sounds like a wonderful anti-aircraft weapon
950 rpm?! Jesus Christ that's one hell of a bullethose woth freaking 30-06!
Unneccassarily sadistic, like the pm-63 scaled up, a weapon designed to ALSO hurt the user
@@Foreskin-Forest Just to make sure because I haven't found out yet, which is stronger, 30-06 or 308? Because a full auto Garand in 30-06 can't be far away from the uncontrollable horror that is M14 in 308
@@JohnnyGuiltyMan 30-06 has a longer shell which means it can hold a bit more powder, but when it comes down to .308 vs 30-06, you're dead on in that they would both feel like you were getting liu-kang dragon kicked right in the shoulder over and over.
@@Foreskin-Forest “why didn’t you guys just use a bipod”
-the people designing these abominations in the 1940s and 1950s
US Ord. Dept.: "We want to replace EVERYTHING"
Soldier: "Even the Thompson?"
US Ord. Dept.: "ESPECIALLY THE THOMPSON"
Together a full auto rifle caliber is more effective than pistol. Only major issue is more recoil and getting as compact as a Thompson. The AK and M16/M4 made the Thompson outdated
I thought the good idea fairy was ridiculous but after learning about the 7.92 CETMEs existence, it can be possible and kinda practical if made right.
Just take the BM-59, chamber it to 7.92 CETME, and then shorten the barrel to 18" for a 42" rifle (has the same length as an M16).
There, you got a .32 caliber straight grip select-fire rifle controllable in full auto. The rifle that the Ordance Department wanted and would be appreciated by the old guard.
Actually Gen. John Thompson intended his invention to be Assault Rifle from the beginning. I'm not sure if he even invented the term 'Assault Rifle'..
Too bad his invention is too heavy and having too short range to do what Assault Rifles of 40s could. and M1 Carbine was something as close as assault rifle. though .30 Carbine formed a cornerstone of American Assault Rifle rounds :P
@@DiscothecaImperialis No actually the term he invented was "submachine gun" not "assault rifle". And I agree the M1 Carbine/M1A1 could pretty much be considered "assault rifles".
@@imgvillasrc1608 converting a bar mag was fairly simple it was difficult getting them to work
US military and firearms designers before the war:
"alright we want a semi automatic rifle to get a technological edge on the battlefield, but... we don't want detachable magazines."
"wait, why no detachable magazines, you could hold so much more ammo and reload so much fas-"
"We like change but not too much change."
"Oook buddy, leme see what I can do..." *creates the en block clip*
After the war:
"Alright enblock clips were a stupid idea, someone give us a gun where you can take the magazine out."
"Awesome, finnaly. While we are at it, we could make a few design changes to really get the most out of-"
"We also want full auto capabilities, but don't want an entirely new rifle, so figure out a way to retrofit existing rifles. We like change but not too much change"
"For fucks sakes dude."
Cold war era:
"So looks like all the cool kids are adopting Assault Rifles and want a common NATO caliber, how should we respond?"
"Adopt the M14"
"But every one already has FALs and-"
"And make it .308."
"But full power rifle cartridges used in a traditionally designed rifle defeat the purpose of having Assault Rif-"
"This is america. We like change, but not too much change."
FlyDangerous lol
***** m14 fits a niche (and i love them too) but it's too archaic for us to keep using. The only thing it's got going for it is that it shoots a big ol 7.62. There are plenty of modern weapon systems that could do that. Shit, the FAL and G3 were already doing that and excelling it it. The army just had to be political and keep an M1'ish weapon around.
Imagine if we adopted an ar10 derivative instead of the ar15 as our primary rifle. People would forget all about m14. Our switch to .223/5.56 was VERY political as well.
Brian Zimmerman could the 7.62 punch through walls in Afghanistan?
Brian Zimmerman Crazy
lol that sun baked mud/cow shit mix. so strong.
fully auto shoulder fired 30-06? and no bipod??
im all set you shoot first lol
It would be an honor to shoot first
Greedo shot first.
Han solo 2nd
IKR... I shot a auto 308... first full auto I had shot and not a stranger to guns and I think it would be quite difficult to use it effectively.
You forgot 900 RPM. Your shoulder would be hamburger.
Well, it was made in the days of wooden rifles and iron men.
950+ rpm in .30-06, holy shit that would be a handful. Awesome video as always.
CO Jones didn't Dr Atwater say that on 'tales of the gun'?
delinquentJACK our own FG-42 lol
I had an M1 when in the army, a worn one, and because of a worn pawl it would occasionally fire the whole clip like brrrrrrrriiiing - 950 rpm is FAST and quite scary the first few times it happens.
Couldn't be aimed or anything, just interesting.
Leif Vejby Would you feel worse knowing that, with the way that works, it's possible for the gun to detonate the cartridge out of battery, which could hurt quite a bit?
I bet the last three rounds you fire them from a sitting position
"Now this rifle doesn't want to come out of it's stock very easily, so I'm not going to force it." That's very nice of you, Ian.
Son: Mom? Can I have an M14?
Mom: No sweetie, we have one at home.
At home:
Your mom's Hot.
Jo
Nice profile pic you got it from marines?
@@brianstabile165 Yeah. It just looks absolutely wack, a Marine drinking from a mug while staring at you.
Jo honestly the marines are gay, my soldier drinking from his canteen while giving you a smile doesn’t give the “I want to eat crayons out of your ass” look
M14 at home: Beretta BM59 made with Garand tooling.
"...at the same time, Winchester was also working on its G-30 rifle, which was its version of a magazine fed semi auto rifle which we will look at in a later video. They were also working on the WAR, the Winchester Automatic Rifle which was their idea for an improvement on the BAR, the Browning Automatic Rifle. We'll take a look at that, in a later video as well..."
It is confirmed, Ian is a Time Lord. That is the only explanation for his time traveling videos and his extensive knowledge about forgotten firearms.
@TheVisigoth can you recommend the book to me, I'm interested
I think they just gave him access to an armory full of cool stuff and he knows what's there :D
What's the point of having an M1 Garand if it doesn't go *ping*?
This M1 Garand was for those who didn't want to let any nearby enemies know it was reload time.
Hunger of Sylar you'd never hear that ping in a firefight
Nah, you just throw an empty en-bloc on the ground and pop them when they stuck their head out. (IIRC that actually happened a few times)
the hell with the ping if you have 20rds.!!!!! Garand or FG42, give me the 42!!!! hell give me a Johnson, at least you can top off the magazine if you only fire 1or 2 rds.!!!!!
You can absolutely top off and en bloc clip.
I just watched Ian trying to shoot an M14 on full auto in .308. I can't even imagine shooting 30.06 rifle in full auto.
Modern .30-06 is more powerful than the military version of that time. That’s why on a garand, you either need surplus ammo or an adjustable gas system installed aftermarket so it can be tuned safely for modern ammo
The .308 was developed to replicate the ballistics of the standard military .30-06 loadings, so recoil would have been pretty comparable. We think of the.30-06 as more powerful due to modern hunting loads using the larger case volume to push performance higher (although even there the two are still pretty similar).
955 rounds of 30-06 per minute, for when you want to do more damage to your shoulder than the target you just missed 20 times.
Might only have missed nineteen times.
In 1939 the British converted a Garand we had for trials to full auto.
They found that the first shot in a burst was reasonably accurate. It was the rest that were scattered over the backstop (mostly towards the ceiling).
@@kevinoliver3083 So if only the first shot is going where you want the burst is absolutely pointless...
my dad says 'Your the man and you know your shit'
Of course he does! He's Gun Jesus.
Player Review that's probably a quotation
error on my part as I was paraphrasing
Jobby Bones Good thing you can't remember him then.
Gun Jesus knows all
I find it interesting that this 1 weapon platform filling every role mindset actually has occurred to a degree with the AR platform. The mk18 has filled the role of a smg, the m110, and mk12 have filled sniper and dmr applications, and the m27 has filled a saw role to an extent, along with the m4 and m16 being standard service rifles and carbines
its something i already thought about. The m16 did what the M14 was designed to do but couldn't.
@Daniel Cordero Much though I hate to be "that guy", the SVD (which I am assuming is what 'long ak' is referring to) operates using a combination of the AK's rotating bolt and a *short* stroke gas piston more similar to that of the SKS, whereas the AK's gas piston is more of an extension of the bolt carrier and travels the full length of the recoil stroke and is hence referred to as a long-stroke gas piston.
The rest is pretty well correct. 'Big AK' could mean either the RPK or the PK, both of which are still the Kalashnikov action (though the PK is upside-down and feeds from a belt). An easily-customizable 'Modern AK' sounds like the AK-12 to me, and 'Smol AK' sounds like the AKS-74U.
@@johnderouen1038 you forget about Romanian PSL, which is a scaled up AK for DMR use
The IAR is basically an AR version of an RPK, except it can also function as a DMR.
@Daniel Cordero smol ak :3
My dad use to have a select fire m1 garand. It took the standard clips though, not a removable magazine. My grandfather bought it for my dad in a surplus store long time ago, the rifle was handed over for destruction in the 90’s when the Canadian gov came out with the long gun registration and stuff.
Are you related to the Cooey family that made guns in Canada?
Holy fuck dude, that's unfathomably lame. God, this country sucks noodles.
I didn't give two craps about firearms before I stumbled upon your channel. You make it that much more interesting, thanks :D
Awesome! :)
Buy one if it's legal where you live and you don't already own one. I guarantee you'll love it! Watching them is one thing....But once you shoot one, you're hooked.
im not 100 but im fairly sure the WAR had its own mag and if so perhaps the mag in that second garand could be a WAR mag
ChaosPotato... Same here!
He shows how amazing feats of technological engineering they are
Wow! A rare variant of the Garand: The assault Garand. You can tell it's meant for fully-automatic fire from it's clipazine because it has the shoulder thing that goes up!
TheGoldenCaulk don't forget it has more thrust per squeeze
TheGoldenCaulk 30 caliber magazine clips in half a second! Truly a ghost gun
I read it with a Mike Stoklasa voice :D
wood1155 That's right, wood1155! I once laid my AK-47 on a couch and it leapt out and killed 10 people and a puppy or something!
frugalgunsmith are you?
**Holding my rifle up so it can see the screen**
"There's your Grandpa!"
I don't know. This is more like the weird uncle we don't talk about
@@ianfinrir8724 This was grandpa during his phase.
LMFAO 😂😆
Where would it’s eyes be?
30-06 at 950RPM? Fuck that.
I heard dislocated shoulders feel lovely
Ya think?
God the ordinance department sucks. They're either unfairly giving good designs the go around, making unreasonable demands for new projects, or refusing to see how future trends are going
The officers and bureaucrats you mean.
Welcome to the opinions of basically every single soldier in the entire US Military BuOrd sucks.
Search for Bradley Fighting Vehicle
That's what makes the M1 Carbine so awesome. The army came up with a concept of what they wanted, a personal defense weapon. Weight was a top priority. A company came up with an excellent cartridge and weapon. When select-fire was found to be problematic early in development, it was dropped, no fuss. No one was allowed to pile on more capabilities, or say the cartridge should be a little more powerful, and then a little more powerful, etc.
A concept was followed through, cleanly. It's almost incomprehensible.
Cronyism is a reality, including in the military. It's just the way it is. Private sector firms are not immune, either, as events since the 1970s have proven.
You talked about the BAR magazines being use in this project , over here in brazil the army tried something similar in the 50s , they made a copy of the g43 chambered in 30.06 and using BAR magazines , needless to say that it didn't work very well .
The addition of that detachable magazine makes the Garand look a whole lot cooler
"They wanted it magazine fed, select fire, mount a scope..." So basically they wanted a Mini14.
Using the recoil spring for the magazine release lever is quite brilliant, props to whoever efficiently thought of that.
Yay vanguard is technically kinda accurate about this
But what use would have fricking DRUM MAG for semiauto rifle?
@@madkoala2130 *casull 290 has entered the chat* 300 rounds of .22 in drum form for a semi auto only version of the lewis machine gun
@@nicjuls7382 wut
That ping sound make it cursed
@@madkoala2130 well if you watched the video you’d know it has a FULL AUTO conversion.
Pretty cool experimental versions. And I get the idea behind it. And then everybody figured out that a handheld full auto weapon in a .30 caliber full power rifle cartridge wasn't the best idea. And then enter the AR15/M16 rifles. I love my surplus firearms and most of them are pretty great in their own way. And I find it even more interesting to see these evolutionary experiments and what did and did not make it into the hands of the soldier by the time it was all said and done.
I knew these existed, everyone thought I was crazy or didn't know what I was talking about, I WAS RIGHT
Thanks gun jesus.
Granite It's his brother Craig Christ.
@@brooksh.6028 I'M FUCKIN' CRAIG
CRAIG CHRIST-UH!
@@fuzzydunlop7928 ooooo
@@fuzzydunlop7928 ho
@@fuzzydunlop7928 oooooo
The Garand, the M14 and the L1A1 are things of beauty.
I seem to recall watching a WWII movie several years ago in which one of the actors/extras was using a full auto M1….and it struck me as odd since I had always thought the M1 was semi-auto only….must have been an “artistic license” kind of thing….
I always thought these didn't exist.... I'm so happy
Magfed m1 garands...
My god...it actually happened
You can own a mag fed garand if you find a bm59 for sale.
@@marcusborderlands6177 true.
There was a company [McCann Industries] that modified Garand chambers to shoot .458, very hard rifles to find these days. They did a few different calibers, and fit them with drop-clips.
This is also a great showcase to use when ppl ask, 'why don't they just stick a magazine into X rifle'
one would not believe how naive ppl thought weapon designs are in general, or most engineered designs are for that matter... it seems most ppl thought one just fit things to another and hammer it till it fit in engineering field
Iono Sama but, that's how it works though
I remember a guy up in Maine,over 20 years ago,that had a semi auto M-1, it used BAR magazines,pretty cool rifle to say the least!
You're the man Ian. I've been watching your videos for a week straight now. Not only informative, but extremely interesting. You've definitely got the X-Factor man!
very cool video Ian, m1 garand has always been my favorite rifle ever and its cool to see all the experimental things it could have became in all you videos you post very cool!
I hate lugging around the weight of my Garand let alone a Garand with a full box magazine.
Sell it to me!
The Italian did make the jump basically using a our rife into a full auto beast. I look forward to seeing a video on that rifle in action. 👀
Next video: belt fed Rhodesian Garands
after that: belt fed, collapsing stock Ottoman Garand, with underbarrel webley revolver, with ping on every shot
950 rpm? More like a 5 round burst.
More like “perfectly tenderized shoulder”
3:00
And here I was, wondering why the Garand closest to the camera had its magazine so far away from the action...
Turns out it was just the magazine of the Garand behind it...
Darn optical illusions!
Great video Ian!
Idk why but folding feed lips are really pleasing.
Thanks for the informative videos, when I check your channel and find another firearm it makes my day!
A precursor to the M14, very cool. Makes one wonder how the war would have gone, had these been in production from the start.
I could only imagine the axis armies would of been blown away and a culture shock, if the US had detachable magazine, select fire Garands as the standard issue rifle.
The soldiers probably would have ignored the full auto setting tbh I don't see that being too useful as a shoulder weapon
I read that the initial version of the grand was submitted to the Army had a box magazine, but the Lt. Col. in charge of procurement rejected it because he though that the troops would "Waste" ammunition using it.
There were also objections that it would interfere with marching at shoulder arms...
I love seeing videos of little to unknown variants of my all-time favorite rifle!!!!
You have such an awesome channel and I am very jealous you get to handle all this amazing history.
Ian: "Idea straight out of fantasy land"
Stoner:
Is still in fantasy land. At least the Army is finally getting rid of his silly ideas.
Dave Hood I think he’s referring to the AR10
Anyway the military ain’t going to get rid of the AR platform for a long time.
Hunter Smith I think this man was refering to the Stoner 63...
The man's name was "Stoner", are we really surprised?
yes nothing like a fresh ian video to start my morning
That was quite an interesting video. Shows a evolutionary step between the M1 and the M14.
Love what you do! Very educational and you never sound annoying :)
The lens of Hindsight (imperfect as it is);
.30-06 in full auto (but not 900 rnds/min.!)
Lighter ammo (but not 85gr., it won't penetrate tropical grass)
Box magazines (but don't stick out of the stock much)
Shorter barrels (but still have the muzzle velocity and long range accuracy of 26 inch)
Use cheap (and dirty) powder, but don't issue any cleaning tools!
Are the Bureaucrats on OUR side or THEIRS?
Bureaucrats are a side unto themselves, my friend.
Ian truly is a prophet.
Bravo, Sir!....you're the first individual I've heard (on U-Tube, or ANYWHERE) who CORRECTLY pronounces the name of the inventor of these weapons!
Very informative, have to give you big props. And Thanks for posting!
Me and my brother were talking about if this exists and now it's in my recommend, UA-cam scares me...
so basically an m14 without an auto-sear.
man it would've been cool to see these rifles fire or any old weapons you review but I understand why you can't. Awesome piece of history!
You are the Bob Ross of weapon breakdowns.
I've read a couple of stories about GI's in WWII doing battlefield modifications to the sear on their Garrands to convert them to full auto. One of the first references to this practice came from Major Dick Winters of Band of Brothers fame.
@ 1:55
I think you're describing the AR15
it can be a multi cal SBR subgun, light weight, with a scope, beta mag and even belt fed, accurate and effective...
just not a long 30 cal...
and while not a true sniper rifle, the MK110 setup or 6.5 Grendel can make it pretty effective DMR
An AR-10 is not an AR-15. You cannot chamber an AR-15 in 7.62x51mm. The lower receiver simply cannot fit the cartridge. The M110 from KAC is an AR-10 variant.
Well, technically the AVT that was available for a few years before all of these developments already fulfilled all the new requirements :)
akavich19
I meant the 57mm Bofors mk3
clearly
Jon H
Call of duty vanguard seen this video one time and said MAGAZINE BUT MAKE IT A DRUM????? AND STILL PING!!!!
Good vid youngster. Keep them rolling
Vanguard be Like
Man what I wouldn’t give to hear the ping after a Garand fires 900rpm
I'd like to imagine every time I see Ian wearing gloves in a video that the firearm(s) hes taking a look at must truly be near one of a kind type things, very cool video as always King
One of the most interesting videos that I've been waiting over 25 years to see. I've got a deep-rooted respect for the M1 and M14 having lost count of how many service matches I've shot them in. As much as I enjoy the M14, I thought Springfield Armory absolutely created a gem of a marksman's weapon, but completely blew the implementation of getting this rifle out. As we know the small-arms world was turned on it's head after WWII and it was critical to get the firepower increase a box fed M1 would have given by the time of Korea. Years ago I thought Robert McNamara was a jerk for pulling the plug on Springfield Armory but he was probably right given the delays in getting this project done.
@ Vic Loma - Re: " As much as I enjoy the M14, I thought Springfield Armory absolutely created a gem of a marksman's weapon, but completely blew the implementation of getting this rifle out. As we know the small-arms world was turned on it's head after WWII and it was critical to get the firepower increase a box fed M1 would have given by the time of Korea. Years ago I thought Robert McNamara was a jerk for pulling the plug on Springfield Armory but he was probably right given the delays in getting this project done."
The implementation of the M14 isn't an apples-to-apples comparison to the M-1 Garand, since the former was introduced during peacetime, albeit the Cold War, whereas the M-1 was mostly produced during WWII and Korea, and the war-time pressures therein. When times were fat during the mid-late 1950s, there wasn't the pressure of a 'hot war' to rush things, and as a consequence, the M-14 project went slower and did not have the urgency of the Garand being produced. Moreover, the M-14 was farmed out to more manufacturers than the Garand, and this clogged up the works even more. TRW was not even a part of WWII Garand production. They made great M-14s, but they were new to the service rifle game. More vendors equals more problems to solve, spread out across more companies....
Robert McNamara's sin was not so much replacing the M-14 with the M-16, as it was trying to make the switch in the middle of an ongoing 'hot war,' namely the Vietnam conflict - and then screwing it up. Whatever the pros-and-cons of the M-14, it was by 1963 pretty well-established and vendors were delivering rifles to the Army and Marine Corps. Mac pulled the plug on production, but before the inevitable teething troubles of the M-16 had been sorted out properly. Which meant that the grunts were being forced to switch to a new and untried weapon few of them had trained with, and whose performance in combat was to them an open question. This is the chief reason for the fiasco that was the M-16 in Vietnam, a Charlie Foxtrot (Cluster F*ck) which culminated in the Ichord Congressional Hearings in 1967-1968. Which is why I say that McNamara had the blood of good men on his hands.
Far as pulling the plug on the national armory system, Mac was partly right about that, partly not. Cronyism and other problems were rife within that system, but Springfield Armory, Rock River and others had vast institutional small-arms knowledge that ended up being flushed down the toilet because McNamara wanted to profit his pals in the private sector. That decision cost the nation in the long run.
He was a right bastard that one, yes he was!
It would be interesting to contrast the details of these to a M14.
Gun Sense (drmaudio) .30-06 vs
.308
gas system--see Ian in another top comment thread
Sillygoose219 _ you spelled 7.62x51mm NATO wrong.
Gun Sense (drmaudio) These experimental rifles are modifications of already existing M1 rifles, whereas the M14 came from the factory with those features. That is one of the main differences.
long-stroke gas (M1) vs short stroke gas (M14). longer receiver vs shorter receiver. .30-06 vs 7.62x51mm
All i ever wanted in my Garand is a magazine and a god damn oprod cover.
Still waiting on the oprod cover.
Awesome! Thank you for such great quality content! God bless!
Always unique and informative. Thanks.
Cool. I was aware of the Japanese clone with the 10 round internal box magazine but was totally unaware of modifications being attempted by domestic manufacturers. I'd always held that one weakness of the M1 was the en bloc system. Interesting to see the challenges presented by the rifle in making a different system operate correctly.
Imagine scratching “EXP” into a random ass rifle only to have gun Jesus do a video on it 80 years later
Very good video, and very informative. I have a 1943 Springfield Armory M1 Garand, and I love it just to way it is. This thing is in great shape, and I wouldn't part with this for anything!!!
Harry Seifried went on to design and build the High Standard .22 revolvers that were sold from the 50s to the 70s. He also went to work for Ruger and helped designed some guns for Bill Ruger, IIRC he helped with the 10/22.
How different is the M14? I was under the impression that it was a modified M1. I've got to say 900 rpm in 30-06 would do its best to remove your arm from your shoulder!
John Koeberlein the M14 uses a different caliber, different gas system, and better build quality.s
John Koeberlein The M14 isn't a modification of the M1, they were new rifles that were made with those features.
.308 is hardly a soft shooting caliber.
John Koeberlein we thought mg34s where scary?
John, Gas system, magazine and some changes to the bolt were the largest mechanical changes..
Problem: They needed a "miracle" weapon that was lighter and magazine fed. It had to be able to mount a scope and be used similar to a sniper. It also had to be select fire so it could act as a sub machine gun.
Solution: M16/M4
The "universal rifle"concept was doomed from the start. As good as the M-16/M-4 turned out to be, they weren't the answer, either, since no one tool can do every job equally well. The assault rifle is a capable weapon, but when push comes to shove, it can't do the job of a battle rifle, just as the battle rifle cannot do the job of an SMG or an assault rifle. It's why different classes of weapons and cartridges exist in the first place.
Outstanding Info Presentation !
Great informative Winchester arms video.
Having never suffered “Garand thumb” but having seen it, this would have saved a lot of thumbs!
Mag Fed Garand
Do You Mean: The M14?
Apparently no, because it was Springfield's modified Garand that became the M14, not Winchester's.
No
Proto BM59?
funny enough, the "do you mean M14?" response is pretty common to average gun people. they'd even say it in a sarcastic way
Most Interesting. I love my M1 and I love my M1A. Thanks for the excellent video.
I've seen one done before I think it was a m 14 mag it was for national match shooting. It was 308 I think it was a some what popular conversation when the m 1 was more popular for match shoot. I knew a gun dealer that had one on his shelf. I think Derik Martin in AZ messed around with doing the modification.
I guess vanguard wasn't completely wrong about mag fed m1 garands
The Drum mag still makes me feel uncomfortable
@@trilby5223 it makes me too regardless of it's existence
Now I wonder if post 1980s m1 garand rifles are still capable of accepting that conversion,lol
........they probably could to be fair
Anthony Williams recoil would be insane
Anthony Williams e
Using the main spring for tension on the magazine catch is sooooooo cool.
those feed lips are definitely the most unique ive ever seen thus far
So who's here after the release of Vanguard?
Sooo... Vanguard can justify doing the not good stuff to the garand?
Yeah that game is so cursed
The *n o t g o o d s t u f f*
this is one of them, yes
but it's not like the other 76% are also excusable, they're just... eugh
Mag fed revolving shotgun 💀💀💀
@@clueless5803 Its the "Becker Revolving Shotgun" prototype from the Germans but used in the pacific missions its by the JAPANESE lol.
youre my fav channel wish I could test these weapons with you. I've only shots handful of modern pistols and the sks Norinco Chinese made. I love yur vids man you've taught me so me so much about small arms
Very very cool. Thank you for sharing.
Vanguard seems to have been right
Its automatically shit because there's no ping
I had no idea Winchester made these, thanks alot. I have a M1D made by Winchester, one of my favorite rifles.
I was told the original design for the M-1 garand was a magazine fed rifle, but the War department didn't want magazines (possibly because they were expensive and required more resources than a stripper clip, and seeing a war coming, wanted to field as many as soon and as cheaply as possible).
Hey Ian, while filming these awesome videos, have you ever had a gun just fly apart while you were disassembling it? Or maybe once you got it apart you have no idea how to get it back together? I would be shitting in my pants having to disassemble one off guns and old amazing pieces like you do.
I've had some tense moments, but never had to hand a gun back to its owner in a baggie. :)
do I spy a shoulder thing that goes up on that select fire garand?
This is the mid way evolution between an M1 and an M14
This video was on my recommendations because of vanguard, they also added this feature on garand