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Inktober Plagiarism Scandal: dangelowallace edition
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- WATCH THIS- • Did JAKE PARKER Plagia...
0:00 - Intro
ACT 1:
3:50 - Dunn uncovers the Plagiarism?
7:33 - Jake breaks his silence
8:22 - (inkmaster) Peter Han's video
10:11 - a UA-camr PLAGIARISED me
11:18 - Instagram's Reaction
ACT 2:
16:05 - The plot to take down Jake
17:11 - Comparing to other art books
19:54 - WE FOUND FUZZY BALLS
21:55 - Darning Evidence
24:15 - Dunn Destroys his own Case
25:17 - SQUARE CULT
27:00 - SCALEY Squares
29:45 - MOST Darning Evidence
ACT 3:
31:18 - Detective's Work
32:16 - My CONCLUSION
33:19 - The Truth
37:23 - what this video is actually about
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Inktober Plagiarism Scandal: dangelowallace edition
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The James Charles comments did not age well...
they DEFINITELY did not.
Glad I am not the only one watching this recently
lmao trueee
quick rundown?
So true dude, so true
Ethan is like that dad that really cares about you and your goals but doesn’t want to let it show that he cares
And das on *periodt-*
He is lin/toph from the avatar universe
He is like a rick and we are the mortys
Ethan I lova ya. no homo
You do know he only acts like a idiotic child so he can make money off you idiotic "children's of his" by clicking on his videos right? Can you really and actually be that simple.?
I bought this book from Andrew Loomis and he’s also clearly a copycat of Ethan. This has to stop. All art belongs to Ethan. Let’s stop pretending otherwise
DON'T YOU EVER THINK ABOUT DOING ART! 🔪🚬
@@cmd0113 NEVER EVER!
hahaha i like how these two stickers are enough 😂🔪🚬
PREACH!!!
It's Ethan who's copying his art method you idiot, Andrew Loomis came way way before ethan, stop comparing a childish you tuber "teacher (ahaha)" to an actual professional with useful tips
there’s literally an art book called Steal Like an Artist the describes how it’s nearly impossible to have a 100% original idea in an over saturated market and the only way to keep creating at a profitable pace is to borrow enough good ideas from other people but tie them all together with what makes your creation unique. very insightful book beyond just art
i started learning how to produce my own music and I was so stressed because I didn't want to make a song that was similar to another one out there. then I remembered music genres exist.
i would highly recommend you watching kesh's video about this controversy and his video about steal like an artist.It has everything you will ever need
I just saw this book today at fed ex LOL. Yes exactly! If you study art history you can see how each movement was built upon one another or even evolved from another. Every aspect of design is like that.
right, even the students of masters used to paint like the master, but nobody got flogged for plagiarism.
"When you steal art from one guy you're a thief, steal it from 10 people and you're an artist."
Imagine if somebody did a comparison of all the How to Draw Manga books out there...
Lmao
They’re literally all the same book, it’s incredible
Oh wow honesrly tho!!! Some have diff stuff or slightly diff styles but a lot of them for thr base bodys and hair etc are soooo similar lol!
I have a fun story about those books lol. I was in a artist duo when I was a teen with my best friend at that time ... well she kinda had parents that had money and they bought her these books and she allover was already kinda entitled. So heres the thing, she liked to critizise me a lot and that I should get better and get those books... well I looked in them and kinda hated it from the start and said "Na thanks fam I'll stick to artists n anime I like" time passed and I drew an artwork of our OC's (we rarely did this because we almost did only fanart) And holy shite I kid you not she went full on karen mode with me because I COPIED HER. I didn't even know how, but eh yea I did this one smol line you draw on an elbow to make the bone& muscular structure more visible ... so yea I just got better at anatomy I guess. And she was so mad about it... she didn't talk to me for almost a month because damn I copied her. Guess what she had "learned" this from one of these books ... she kinda acted as if she owned that really oldschool anime artstyle and that I should be doing characters that have no proportions so maybe her pictures would get a bit more praise...
Lexmon Lol, I see that a lot on social media with manga and anime style ‘artists’. People claiming their work has been copied yet their style is the most generic, unoriginal manga you have ever seen haha. 😄
They are obviously people who are completely unaware of how real art education works. My uni class was sent to the art gallery by our lecturer to literally copy work by the old masters, it’s the best way to observe their techniques and pay attention to detail. The art sector is all about people taking ideas from others and changing or improving on them. Picasso never bitched when he inspired a new wave of Cubism artists. Lol
d'angelo wallace and ethan becker will merge into the ultimate person: d'ethan wallecker
and ethan's emotions and d'angelo's lack thereof cancel each other out
why is this so funny to me damn u got me
YASS
This name is beyond cursed, I love it
But it will be too powerful for this world. It will destroy it.
What i've learned from this video:
Andrew Loomis doesn't care
too much of a legend to care
@@conradpierce8994 his art balls are too big to be phased
When Alphonse started to claim the SIX SHADED BOXES as his I literally laughed. I was taught the box thing in art class in elementary school. Fundamentals are fundamentals and cannot be copied.
I said he decided to use six, not that he was the first to use shade boxes. ugh.
@@BeautifulEarthJa Nope six boxes was showed at school. He might of taken a lot of time deciding on 6 just how I took a lot of time discovering certain color theory rules. I made up a new method that no other teacher taught then I saw someone post a video about it. Here is the thing, art as been build on for generations. Alphonse is just a crybaby mad that his ideas are not original. The reality is, being original is impossible. To answer his question, Why do simple things no get invented if they are so obvious to us. Its because the inventions have a start. They cant be in existence forever especially since inventions rely on other inventions. And lets not forget that many people can invent the same thing while being across the globe without realizing it
@@bobsteven2363 lol. so cause your school used 6 boxes means that's the standard? gtfoh
@@BeautifulEarthJa no, but it does mean that the 6 boxes shit isn't wholly Alphonse's original idea
@@BeautifulEarthJa A lot of ppl ALL AROUND THE WORLD use 6 shaded boxes, so yes, it is the "standard"
I clicked on this vid thinking "why is PewDiePie talking abt inktober"
i thought it was pewds too
Same >
me too lol
Me too
I thought it was just mee
As someone who is new to seeing your content, the handling of the knife and enthusiastic slapping/ head bobbing while it is pointing at your face has me alarmed but no one else is freaking out so I assume this is a regular thing.
He usually also has a broken cigarette in his mouth lolol
How idiotic and frail are you to be scared of a you tuber pointing knife at a camera? I truly will never understand how your brains fonction on this channel
Yes, pretty normal for this channel.
@@livetochange974 quote me for where I said I was scared and for where I said I was scared of them pointing a knife at the camera?
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth and there’s no need to be that rude dude lol
Ethan Becker - "cancel the product, counsil the individual"
Christians - "Hate the sin not the sinner"
Look who's plagiarizing now Ethan!
*gasp*
Preposterous!
Furthermore, alot that is in the holy book comes from pagan religions anyways.
lmaooooo
Even your parent plagiarismed the idea of having child from Adam and Eve lmfao :D
Literally EVERY art book that covers basics has 6 step scales
Ikr?!
Dunn goes on about how long it took him to come up with 2, 3, and 6 step scales. Then blasts Parker for using them. Dunn totally glosses over the 9 step scale on the same page right under the 6 step. Then throughout Dunn's book he uses 4 and 5 step scales to draw. So does he lay claim to all these value scales, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9? Its ridiculous.
Exactlyyy like I knew that guy was full of shit when I heard that. What's next, man made color theory?
yeah thanks for backing up
Even just the pencil ones have 6 step shading
I cannot believe my art professors plagiarized all of these, dropping out of school ASAP
WHAT?
WOAAAAAH! MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT!
Pretty sure your art professors are working on teaching, not just selling you books. If all they do is selling you ink drawing books that match the books discussed to a T, yes, drop out of school and just order them from amazon.
@@verybarebones it was a joke. 😑😒
I don't know... From the sounds of things, your professors might be onto something if they're teaching about fuzzy balls... SO take that into consideration first. K? ;o)
My opinion on the matter is that James Charles definitely, 100% plagiarized Jake Parker's Inktober palette.
This is the real tea
Ajajajaj the best xD
Thought you were gonna say Jake Paul's. XD
🤣🤣
😆
"If you've thought of it, somebody else probably did too."
That was the first thing I heard about art.
Which makes it easier to find references.
Thank you collective humanity.
This drama is nonsense. Every artist plagiarized from the first caveman who learned to draw.
Inspiration and plagiarism is two very different things
@@waxmaster-c They were joking, the point they were trying to make was how petty the drama is and that there is no "winner" here
Exactly, I can’t believe people in 2020 are claiming techniques and tools when everything’s been invented already and we are just copying every artist ever... that’s literally part of the artistic process... see, copy and repeat
And cavemen plagiarized God
@@PossibleBat but it’s not about the techniques...?
It took me an embarrassing amount of time to figure out that his knife had a mic on it.
shite I didn't even notice he was holding a knife 😂😂
Did you feel threatened?
Didn't notice till I read this💀💀💀 I kept asking what is the black thing on it😂😂😂
I noticed right away, and wonder if he ever cuts himself. What if he falls asleep while filming? I'm worried for him.
I also noticed this video has more views than the original Dun accusation video
Oh my god! I've been subbed for so long 😩😂 i was wondering what that was. (Aside from like a cigerette)
ME: Wait, it's all fuzzy balls?
ETHAN *aiming pistol*: Always has been.
And you people call this funny? Ethan becker comment section is really the peak of childish entertainment
@@livetochange974 this is bizarre. You're hanging out in the channel more than any of his actual fans lol
@@livetochange974 I'm not gonna sit here and let you insult ME and MY ORIGINAL joke that I came up with ALL BY MYSELF!!!
@@angelbabytanner how long it took you for that fucking naked sherlock ?
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth
Ah, you must be a fan of his.
*can't stop thinking about deviantart tutorials*
Plus hundreds of books and online tutorials published before Dunn's that cover the same techniques using the exact or similar examples.
@@inkwell9651 Are you Parker?
"We're getting smarter, but we're not quite there yet." - human history in a nutshell
Why did that quote reminded me of kurzgesagt
I read this right before he said it. Spooky
Where are the bodies Ethan?
:0
When verified you tubers can't make well thought comments, just because your privileged dosent mean I'll give you a like without earning it fool
@@livetochange974 I see you a lot in this comment section. I won't say you're bitter, but are you okay? Something happened? Need someone to talk to?
@@CalamitySpica8 It's a troll. Move along.
@@sourpuss5951 I know. I just wanted ask, knowing they would probably answer me with a smart-ass reply.
“Cancel the product, council the person” is SUCH a perfect way to describe how cancel culture should be handled
Should we cancel the cancel culture?
@@antares3030 not original kid I've already heard that 532 times by now, not surprised when you open your big mouth nothing logical comes out of it
Edit: when slander becomes the tool of a loser, you know you've lost the argument before even stepping in the discussion so avoid humiliating yourselves any further, I'm being worried about your social reputation
@@antares3030 Don't listen to them, their a troll. I like your comment
Cancelling cancel culture is just cancel culture with extra steps
What's "cancel culture"?
It’s interesting that he equated his hard work with originality. 2 people in the same field learned, practiced and relayed the same information. Not shocked
Sadly, if Alphonso wants to sue Jack over plagiarism. He will needs to sue every art school. All the similarities that Alphonso talked about I learn in 101 art class.
People have mentioned how you can discover the same idea and not realize that its been done before. I just wanted to mention a little story of mine. When I was younger, the how to draw books I had were of anime and a couple of watercolor books about fairies and dragons. So, nothing really about actual fundamentals, or books for drawing with graphite or charcoal, nothing like that. But I drew this really bad pegasus drawing, and I wanted it to be black. So, I ended up using my fingers to smudge and blend and make the pegasus all dark. And as a little kid, I thought I was this genius, discovering that you can smudge and blend with your fingers. Obviously, as I grew older, I discovered that this is a technique done before countless times. I know that its not much, but I just wanted to further add to this idea, that you can discover something yourself, but its already been done before.
Little story from my side. Im studying design and we had to do a tean Project. We came up with this really good idea but changed our mind along the way. The next semester this exact idea is being used by another team ( in combination with something else). So we thought that someone stole our idea or listened to us when we talked about it in the planning phase. We had some wild theories about this. Turns out not only did they start at the same time with this project as we did, we talked with the Professor about this ( not snitching we just talked about it on accident) and he said he is hearing this exact idea every year from new people.
Yeah, I've had this happen too. When I was little I was really into the idea that 'oh i'm gonna make countries into characters and make them interact like real countries do, except ppl!1!1!1!'
and then i grew up a little and found out hetalia existed
Yeah so basically it's a more complicated story of 90% of cases "discovering" masturbation. It exists but you can find out about it without being told.
Truee
Same here 😂 I thought using tooth brush to create speckled dust effect was something I discovered back in 1997. But, later in life I realised that it’s been done. 😂😂😂
I like this bit: “cancel the product, counsel the individual” 👌 nicely put that I might borrow this. 😅
Go borrow a brain while you're at it, sad when today's children can't think for themselves and always have to copy/follow what they are being told like little obedient kids, no wonder why most college students are idiotic liberals and mostly rioting in blm, they can't think for themselves like you, you controlled brat
@@livetochange974 lmao I hope you're doing good today
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth:
I do not understand what you’re getting pressed for.
For someone who claims to be the truth (are you the way and life too?), you didn’t even bother to verify why I made that comment and went ahead to judge and form your imagined truth. Your hasty generalizations are really something :)
My comment was simply lauding the commentary of this UA-camr on how we shouldn’t simply cancel a whole entire person as if there is no room for penance and reformation. That we should understand the full context and not be quick to judge.
The “might borrow” bit is an allusion to the likelihood of me quoting Ethan and cannot be equated to having no brain nor the faculty to discern/think. But you know, if you apply that blanket statement of yours on borrowed knowledge, all our thoughts and actions are just borrowed/nurtured from what we were exposed to and/or have learned overtime.
Anyway, I hope you will have better days :)
Dude, we can sell statement shirts with this quote. ;)
cielogy bro what was that person on about... all you did is say i like the way you said that it made sense to me and aligns with my beliefs 😭😭 how is this political?.????
Their argument is like:
"Noooo, you can't just use my color palette. I just thought long hard enough to combine what color go with what"
No it's not. This is not about colors, shades or techniques. The argument is someone ripped off my book, with the same wording, illustrations, layout, content structure ++++
@@waxmaster-c I think people on both sides of this issue need to take a step back an reevaluate the environment first...
yeah that is just stupid alphonso is like he invented the number6
Alphonso saying that 'he copied the format' when they are both following the natural flow of learning and expanding on pen techniques... it's like saying someone plagiarised you for writing 1 2 3 4
It's like Dunn doesn't know what format means.
ethan im sorry you're too expressive you could never be d'angelo wallace
Ikr he’s such a Disney princess 🤢
Ethan isn’t nearly ridiculously handsome enough to be D’Angelo. Have you seen that man’s glowing, angelic skin?
@@8ri1 ew how low must your standard be for this guy to even be close to being remotely beautiful, let alone on Disney actors level ? Fanboys truly are blinded
@@livetochange974 EEEWWWWWWWW ITS A ROACH!!
@@aaronhamric7679 period
The confidence to call himself ART is the power play of the art community
He's worst than a average artist, let alone a professional
@@livetochange974 maam what
@Lil RE perfect retort for a (not gonna stoop down on your level with a poorly written insult, bye)
agreed XD But I don't even question it.
Dionysian energy
Man, I can't believe Alphonso was the one who invented using spheres to demonstrate art techniques. Ig he's gotta make a callout for all those tumblr blogs and art tutorials that do the same thing
We’ve gotten to the point in art theft where we’re “stealing fundamentals”. Did DaVinci and Picasso not have a six-step scale? Or other pen and ink artists? What did artists do centuries before this book was written?
people jumping on Parker cannot even agree on what they think he did wrong. Some say Parker's book is a 1 to 1 copy of Dunn's. Which is absolutely false and impossible. When the full pages are compared next to each other they are completely different.
Then some believe Parker copied Dunn's techniques and structure of teaching.
These accusations show a lack of art understanding, academic teaching, and history. A technique is not unique to anyone. Realism, impressionism, abstract, cartoony, etc are techniques. Within Dunn's own book the techniques switch up between very basic to more detailled.
The structure of both Dunn's and Parker's book follow the same logical progression as the majority of art instructional books. There are basically two kinds of art instruction books. The more academic style of following the progression of skills and then the kind where artists do a personal take. They show their method skipping over the basics and do a more paint/draw by the numbers/steps.
Dunn and Parker go the more academic route. So of course the progression will be similar. They are going over the basic fundamentals. The thing is Dunn's whole book is lessons. While only a small section of Parker's goes over the fundamentals. The beginning of Parker's book goes over the history of inking and great inkists of the past. Then goes over the fundamentals of drawing/inking, using new illustrations and some from past inktobers. Then it talks about inktober and art. How is that a copy of Dunn's book? When faced with these indispensable facts people still want to claim Parker copied. They don't want to have an actual conversation and be intellectually honest.
Reader: “what tools should I use?”
Andrew Loomis: “no 💜”
Andrew Loomis: I'm not like other girls!.
His books are actually really popular, and methods highly revered, believe it or not.
Andrew Loomis can't speak idiot
@@livetochange974 not you again
@@livetochange974 to my knowledge, there's no speech condition that precludes one from speaking just one word, "idiot," or any other. Generally disabilities will affect the pronunciation of more words, not just one.
The way the art community handled this situation just reminds me of the way people in politics handle drama/controversy. It's all a combination of rash assumptions, over generalizations, destroying people's careers with mob mentality, lack of research, lack of evidence, no objective information, biases, emotionally charged opinions, etc.
Yeah it really reminds of the beauty community too.
Tbh the art community being kind of toxic is why I hesitate to put my work out there. I really can't be bothered dealing with people with ego's bigger than Texas.
@@whatteamwildcats4033 it's toxic in general, I'm pretty sure every existing community is toxic, and that's just fucking sad. (That's why I only have a small group of art friends online.)
I'm in uni rn so I don't really spend a lot of time online nowadays anyway
Also, don't be scared about putting your works out there if you don't intend to plagiarize without credit, also be careful about people tracing over your works xD
dude u just explained the human society, its not exclusive to the art community
I came all over myself to this comment thank you
nobody rips Arthur off
Arthur: fine Ill do it myself
Hate to tell Alphonso; but, everything he was indignant about, I learned in art school using the same verbage. He is taking basic art principles and claiming them as his own. The line work part made me laugh out loud because I took architectural drawing in high school and the way to hold a pen when you are inking is absolutely basic. And the tools? Hello? Every one of them has been in use forever. His "complex block forms" is laughable since yet again that is a very basic drawing technique which has been taught for ages. Also, the material is presented in a logical way... Gee. What are the odds?
But, I agree. The most valuable take away here is how we as a community react to such accusations. I once had some friends come to me indignant that another artist had posted a drawing which was extremely similar to a painting I had done. Turned out, we had used the same free reference photo for our pieces. And yet my friends were ready to go after him with pitchforks. We have to be less reactive and more responsible.
Things to take away from this: -Andrew Loomis does NOT care!!!
-Layouts are creepy
-stop wearing Tshirts (boring)
-hide the children
Hide your wives, and hide your husbands...
@@naomivillachica9503 🤣🤣🤣
What about black hats? Im no longer wearing mine... BOOOORING
Andrew Loomis really wrote an art techniques book that doesn’t teach art techniques 😳
@@mink5251 not really, you can have a look at he out of print books for free here: www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Your welcome ;-)
another part of this is that people who have gone to art school in any form often teach these concepts with no text book or books only found in art libraries and if that knowledge is solely taught through oral and physical practice then you cant point to where you learned a technique. I would love to see if there are any people in art school now that can show examples of this.
Yea it looks identical to what we practiced when I was in art class, the gradients, the shading, the fuzzy balls etc
I was taught a lot of what is in all these videos. We even did all theory learned exercises with all the geometric figures
@@britanycsantana hey britty brat you look pretty dam hot, can I have your insta please? Do you have beautiful soles?
This is literally drawabox.com
@@livetochange974 I'm sorry WTF
The 6 box thing doesn't surprise me because in advanced art at my school, when we learned hatching, we actually used the 6 box scale. It's not like he invented it, it's a real thing 😂
Let's sum this drama up: "OMG I made a book about art, you made one too and you dared to show basic art stuff in it that I showed too beacuse its BASIC art stuff! You must have stole it from me!"
I love the art community, it can be so dumb and petty.
I mean, even before drama this petty is common in the art circle. Although back then it's more about who has the superior drawing style or art medium, but yeah the same thought.
Did you even watch the video. There is plenty of evidence that he basically copied the whole layout, titles, structure and illustrations.
@@CromeLF2 krumplika :)
I have received threats because I did fan art...they claimed I plagiarized the art even though I captioned the character's name and the show it came from...true the art community is filled with idiots.
The only thing I got from this is that Loomis does not care.
Facts #loomisisoverparty
DAMMIT LOOMIS THIS IS YOUR FAULT CANCEL LOOMIS!!!!
Lol
I don’t understand cancel culture 💀
@@e_jiuu It's okay. You just need to understand that Loomis doesn't care.
The monochrome aesthetic? The glasses? The segmented points??? He's merging with d'angelo! Watch out Mr. Art youre being consumed!
Whites can't ever merge with blacks sorry, their bodies just aren't Compatible for each other, it hardly even happens in stupid fictional movies yet alone in real life
@@livetochange974 *wat*
@@actualgarbage8549 they're trolling on Ethan's videos regularly. just ignore them
That's some big gymnastics leaps of logic. I'm very impressed.
@@ball_annihilator die I lie? Can you point out the lie please Im confused , or maybe you know more about me?
The reason the pages align is because they are the first stages/ the basice to starting Art. I have a few books I brought 15 years ago and a few from 2 weeks ago and they are all similar the way they start and similar to these two books. Yes they are very similar but all art books are when discussing basics! It's all the other content I.e how they prefer to draw body parts, animals in a different style to others that may be of interest etc. that adds value to a book. We live in a age where almost everything has been done before it's not about copying its about making it better or easier than the person before with the new resources we have now that they didn't have then. And if you do find a niche that is brand spanking new well done to you!!! Now copyright it and don't tell anyone until you have done so!
Theory: Andrew Loomis' book is empty
Oh no no no, not at all.
Yet, we buy it anyway lol.
except for a single page with creepy squares…
I thought only the beauty community was into drama, glad to know it exists in art as well
Yo man, how you doin in this quarantine?
I'm surprised that I'm surprised seeing you here.
@@lily9652 me too
But i am here too so thats ehhh😂
Just Some Guy without a Mustache Bro you better believe the art community has drama
I’m not even in the art community but I keep getting recommended art drama among the art community 😂 Like I get recommend more from the art community then the beauty community, and I’m into the beauty community . The stuff I get recommended from them art community is wild 😂
THE D'ANGELO WALLACE FORMAT IM-
Aleth Lumba, you’re what?
@@simplyrhino_ ded
fart
@@simplyrhino_ i am winning son
I'm cryin
This is the first time I'm even hearing about Inktober drama, but this was a great ad for Andrew Loomis, I'm into the amount he doesn't care.
I unironically thought Alphonso's video was sarcastic especially with the fundamental techniques claim. Turns out it was not. Don't know if people are indeed so gullible or get a hard on when they can push someone into the mud
Both. Definitely both
People are both and believe these youtube gurus without question.
Finding a pattern because you are looking for one is actually called “confirmation Bias”
But it is a big part of what makes people buy into conspiracy theories.
line step You are Right .
Except Tom DeLonge was right about UFOs so...pertaining to his general POV of course. Alphonso wasn't looking for a pattern, he was looking for a good read which happened to have word-for-word, page-to-page same layout. He feels it was a slap in his face.
Is that the same as Apophenia?
Hey! I suspected that might be the case. And I was right!
Finally, Art community drama
Yeah it, like, never happens
D'angelo talked about art community drama long ago (when he still was an Art channel)
What was once thought impossible.
My favorite kind of drama
It’s 2020... nothing is sacred
alphonso really makes himself sound like spongebob in the one episode where he had to write an essay, like "I need this to be absolutely genius, what should I say?" *hours later* "I got it!" *scribble* " 'The'! Now what else should I write?"
I have a book from 1977 , " How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way " . It contains most of the same things as Dunns book . Even the sponge and brush ! If Stan Lee were still alive , he could sue Dunn for plagiarism !
Have you read the comments on Dunn's original video praising him? Go read them for a good laugh. Though it is sad how blindly people believe him without question.
@@inkwell9651 Are you Parker?
In a twist ending, Ethan unzips his disguise to reveal that he is actually dozens of fuzzy balls. It is all a conspiracy against fuzzy ball plagiarism
I knew it. How did I never notice?
For some reason I pictured a ton of those fuzzy balls with eyes from Totoro bursting out of an "Ethan" disguise and for some reason it makes sense xD
"If you are searching for a pattern in anything, you will most likely find that pattern." That's confirmation bias, not conspiracy. lol
@Darth Desec Thank you Captain Obvious, as I wasn't aware.
they build onto each other tho, and conspiracy theory makes a better picture than confirmation bias, being that the first is more recognizable, understandable and commonly used than the latter.
Sometime you gotta murder a bit of non damaging sense and reason to be a better spokesperson/entertainer.
Its like swiftly breaking limbs to make a dynamic drawing, it does look better and the common person enjoying it will not perceive the "mistake", nor other artists who understand the thought process.
Unless they're nitpickers, like you ;), no shame on it im annoying bout these things too.
Mmm yes nice toxic
But he's right that's a defining factor of conspiracy. Like the table analogy. If you're dead set that there's a table top you're gonna find anything to act as the legs to being that table into existence.
Not to mention Argument From Ignorance, just because he cant find a common source that they both could have drawn inspiration from or some other alternate explanation does not make his explanation the correct one.
This is incredibly embarrassing. All of the "plagiarized" material is in art technique books from waaaaaaaay back. I have books from the 1950s and sixties that have all of this and more. I understand that the one guy feels aggrieved, but none of this is some sort of secret.
"Guys, guys, guys, it took me SO LONG to come up with the number 6. People will say 'that's so simple I could do it' yeah but you didn't" is this guy serious? 😒😑😑
granted, he gave it some thought. but i just can't stand the crybaby approach
Don't! I can't even believe he said that.
'it's ingenious'
'The hundreds of hours put into coming up with the number 6'
If you didn't know the situation you would think this is some kinda parody/satire rant 😂
Guy seriously has some narcissistic/god complex 🙄
TLDW/Lesson of the video: "Just because you can't see the answers to a problem does not mean the answer doesn't exist." 34:51
I read this comment while he said that. Spooky 👻
@Mara Bumbuc ok smart ass , you want me to thank for your perspective on his answer?
skellyaart Instagram - I am the truth
oh god its you again
I enjoy Inktober a lot, but when this started blowing up, I pulled away because of the community's reaction. I don't know a lot about Alphonso but I do agree that the information in his book isn't unique. I do however think that the way Parker's book is organized has way too many coincidences with Alphonso's especially compared to the other art books.
But like Ethan says though, the community response is concerning. This year especially has had a lot of polarizing events involving people from all walks of life. The internet has become the court of public opinion. It's a lot like a modern day witch hunt. People are unforgiving and jump to accusations without proof, and anyone's career or life can be destroyed by mob mentality. It's nearly impossible to have any sort of civil conversation on serious topics, and pray you never make a mistake because people will attack you for it.
I guess the only thing we can do is stick to "innocent until proven guilty" and try to reach out with intending to understand, instead of creating more conflict.
Jesus fucking Christ. You all are fucking plagiarising fucking EVERYTHING. At this point in the history and all brought up "rULeS": ALL. OF. YOU. ARE. FUCKING. THIEVES. And you can't change my mind, bye.
Nice story bro, I couldn't give a Damm about a irrelevant person such as yourself without even a profile pic to represent themselves, guess you really are nothing...
The information obviously isn't unique. The way it's presented on the other hand...
@@antares3030 what information? Care to elaborate
I’ll probably still do inktober, maybe I won’t post it though.
Can't believe my art teacher plagiarized the perspective and lighting tutorial in my sophomore year of high school
Just realized you're holding your mic with a whole knife, I have to subscribe immediately
Too bad Ethan didn't end the video with: "But honestly who cares."
Yesss!🤣🤣
he outed himself. the top of the art, art itself cares :P
Only his childish underage Fanboys care, not the grownups
@@livetochange974 it's a phrase D'angelo says at the end of his videos...
True
The one dislike is Ethan himself
IG Art account: @CursedmoonX
I cant believe he made 4 more accounts
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ethan dislikes all his videos for the lols
hes never satisfied, that poor baby-man.
He made 8 accounts lol
there are 8 now.
Hi, sorry I’m very late to this party and forgot to bring snacks.
I’m just wondering how an adult artist has made it through life without seeing at least one art instruction book that has six step box gradients and line variations and all the other elements this dude is claiming he came up with. Of course you’re just working with a fraction of the books that have been available throughout the history of these kind of publications but I have seen many, many books that definitely share the same or similar lay outs and examples of techniques. This alphonse guy is deluded. ‘It took me so long to decide on the number six’ Really? Wow that must have been a dark night of the soul, where would all us artists be now without alphonso and his tips on what tools to use and how to hold a pencil. What an absolute crayon.
One of many things that is misleading in Dunn's video is his value scale copy claim. Dunn goes on about how difficult it was to come up with 2, 3, and 6 step scales. Dunn doesn't even mention the 9 step scale right below the 6 step in his book. Also throughout Dunn's book he uses 4 and 5 step scales. So does Dunn also lay claim to the genius discovery of 2,, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9 step scale? It's ridiculous.
psstt, "Ink Drawing techniques" by Henry C. Pitz 1957
Here are a few more books. All of which cover the same techniques and similar order that Dunn seems to believe he created.
Drawing with pen and ink by Arthur L. Guptil published 1930
How to draw in Pen and Ink by Susan Meyer and Martim Avillez published in 1985
Pen and pencil techniques by Harry Bergman published 1989
Drawing pencil techniques by David Lewis published 1984
The Art and Technique of pen drawing
by G. Montague Ellwood published in 1927, reissued 2003
Drawing in pen and ink by Claudia Nice published in 1997
Creative pen and ink techniques by Ian Sidaway published in 2001
Pen and Ink Techniques by Paulette Fedard published in 1992.
Complete book of drawing and painting by Mike Chaplin published 2004.
Dynamic bible by Peter Han 2016
as an artist i firmly believe there are no original ideas, just distorted ones that feel new.
and?
@@BeautifulEarthJa my point is copyright is outdated and abused
@@xPancakes4lyf lol! by a small individual creator? come now, you have no point.
@@BeautifulEarthJa i wrote this along time ago and 100% honest i have no idea what you guys are mad about lol
art is art
art is expression
art is collaborative
art is communication
doesnt matter if you're a nobody from a small town or a hot shot on youtube,
imo, i find it a little funny when people try to copyright art fundamentals and video game mechanics because it goes against everything art is.
but what do i know, i dont have any subscribers so my opinion isn't worth anything.
@@xPancakes4lyf art is art lol. that does not mean you go around copying people's work and calling it yours. and this is not even about a piece of artwork, its basically about a textbook produced by one person that was copied by another to be sold for money.
This is the first video where I actually had to stop and think: "Has Ethan ever pricked his face with that knife-mic?!"
That's my concern for the whole video
Lol
have you not seen his eyebrow?
Maybe he did but off camera you idiot ? He dosent have to hurt himself to please a random child on the Internet
@@livetochange974 bro are you ok?
@@livetochange974 lmao why are you so angry, get a life
I think Jake has seen Dunn's book because he lists Alphonso's book in HIS books bibliography/list of references. So of course he has seen the book before.
That makes Alphonso’s argument hold even less weight, because that means Jake did give credit
That's an interesting detail...
Well, Inktober again...found this video again... still LOL'ing at Alphonso.
I'm very soon to be 52 years old.
All those things that Al believes he "invented" or "created"? Yeah...been there, done that...before he was even born.
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I hear a lot of ignorant artists claiming Jake is guilty of everything bad. It's sad, really. I mean, Alphonso is basically trying to claim that he in vented cross hatching, and that anyone who writes a book about drawing isn't allowed to cover "Proper Techniques of Holding a Pen" or "How to Control Your Line" because, you know "he did it first". His argument is that the first thing he said in his book was about "Control"...and so did Jake! PLAGERISM I SAY! PLAGERISM!!!!! ;) Yeah, Alphonso may want to look at art books about drawing that were written years or decades before his.
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I'm looking at a book right here, "The Art of Drawing" from the "Grumbacher Library", written in 1975. Page 4, Materials; Page 5... hatching, shading, line control, etc. The next page... forms. Then on to all the other stuff. Pretty much your basics of drawing and inking.
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Sorry, Alphonso, you did not "invent" putting more ink down to make something look darker... just sayin'...
;)
After all that controversy, I came to my conclusion. I will buy Andrew's Loomis book because he just doesn't care. XD
After seeing how much he doesn’t care I’m really tempted to buy the book too lmaoo
Andrew Loomis books are out of print since a long time, and he past away in 1959 but one can get the free PDF here: www.alexhays.com/loomis/
your welcome ;-)
@@eb8247 thank you! 🙏 I hope you have an amazing day my friend! 💜
@@tymphiearts He doesn't care so much that his books are full of wildly complex and nearly incomprehensible diagrams. I had to find a blog post to explain one of them to me, because he does such a bad job teaching it on the page.
I read one review of one of his books who said he was obviously just showing off that he could draw, since there were so few instructions in the book itself, then I find out he wrote a (by now long outdated) book on career illustration that's nearly 300 pages long, and most of that is text.
futurestoryteller seems like my kinda guy, bragging in the art world is sadly rare
As a granny😂, a techie and an artist who draws digitally I want to let you know that your video was funny and entertaining but mostly very intelligent. It gives me hope for the future when I see younger people taking the time to assess the possible consequences of online actions. Good job! I will be watching more of your content for sure! (This is the first time I watch)
Oh you are gonna love this guy😂😂😂 don’t forget to tap the bell so you don’t miss his notifications! He’s a gem!
The current generation isnt like this
You’re really cool!
28:14 Re: 6 Step Value Scale • When you point out several that use 5 Shades, you miss the point that Alphonso & Jake are counting WHITE as one of the 6 shades & the ones with 5 shades don't SHOW white, but obviously, they are USING white in their values.
So whether they are calling it 5 or 6 (or even if they excluded the black, too & called it a 4 Step Value Scale), IT'S THE SAME THING, because Design Principles just exist. Artists that experiment & see what works are just like scientists studying the world around them & seeing what exists, so they shouldn't be surprised when someone else has made the same conclusion.
I think you're right about the overall look & layout of these two books (whether Jake used a team, or just on his own) -- it just looks like the current modern aesthetic. Comparing it to books that are 40 to 50 years old, it's not surprising that the two made in the same period are going to have a similar look. Also, placing an image opposite the text describing it is pretty basic. You have: above, below, & beside. Anything other than that is going away from the clean aesthetic that is very common & popular.
37:48 • I agree with the conclusion of this video.
If you don't like something, don't buy it. If you don't like something someone did, you can point it out without cutting them off & abandoning things you do like. It's so odd to me how polarized & radical people can be.
Let's all just be kind & reasonable.
There is also the detail that Alphonso is going back and forth in his book to cherry pick similarities. So they don't even match up in the order things are taught.
5:56 boy he acting as if he invented the value scales😭 ive seen the 6 value scale way before his book was released😭 everyone has been taught this in school. I was taught the 6 value scale way before his book was released. Hes rlly tryna pull shit frm his ass
Dude acting like he invented the number 6. “It took me SO long to think of that.”
Yea I really don’t think it’s that hard to make a title about some lines 😂
He also thinks he's the first artist to discover gradient scales. I can't believe so many people got behind that jackass!
You don't get it. It's not a about the techniques themselves, but how he created the book. He has copied the same words, illustrations, layout, content structure and so on.
@@waxmaster-c Welp, I guess my professor copied all of this then. She's been teaching the same way for fourty years, but she definitely copied this mans work given that I learned basically all of this in exactly the same order and content structure with 'eerily similar' illustrations and descriptions. The structure is literally just the logical way to teach. Her hand drawn and photocopied explanations/worksheets all have a similar layout. But no, she definitely copied this man.
@@waxmaster-c The words we use depend heavily on the era we live. If you look at titles in artbook from hundreds of years ago it will not be the same as now.
At the time they spent so much time to describe and explain every little things, now we need to summarize everything. The mindset, vocabulary and trend are not the same. It's the same with drawings, at the time they'd do very detailed drawings to explain anatomy for example with ink and sepia pencils (now there are more pencils), the drawing styles were the same too. But does it mean they plagiarized each other? I don't think so
The community reaction was far more terrifying to me than the possibility of one of my art heroes stealing from someone else.
witch trials
i think it's the art community being so hell-bent on "you copied this you copied that" for things that doesn't make sense to say was stolen. I'm talking about people screaming composition/pose stealing and thinking everything they do is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo original it's so annoying.
the community is a bunch of babies that will soon see using lines as stealing.
I honestly don't listen to their shit anymore.
u need better art heroes and that is a fact
Agreed. All those morons were willing to destroy a man's professional reputation over something that is clearly bullshit.
Pretty much all books about art fundamentals are basically the same. Anyone who has ever taken an art class or read an art book should already know that
There are so many books out there , that even though you didn't find what you were comparing, again as you say, doesn't mean it's not out there. Have you looked at the Art Instructions course, or the Jack Hamn drawing books or even Walter Lance? Those were artists that I studied as well as completing the Art Instructions course as well as the Famous Artists course.
Ethen needs to make an update with the book comparisons. Here is a list of mostly pen & ink specific art instruction books and a few general art instruction books. Every single thing that is in Dunn's book can be found in these. Nothing concept, example, verbiage, layout, chapter order, and illustration wise is original to Dunn. It's all the basic fundamental techniques of drawing with pen & ink and drawing in general.
Drawing with pen and ink by Arthur L. Guptil published 1930
How to draw in Pen and Ink by Susan Meyer and Martim Avillez published in 1985
Pen and pencil techniques by Harry Bergman published 1989
Drawing pencil techniques by David Lewis published 1984
The Art and Technique of pen drawing
by G. Montague Ellwood published in 1927, reissued 2003
Drawing in pen and ink by Claudia Nice published in 1997
Creative pen and ink techniques by Ian Sidaway published in 2001
Pen and Ink Techniques by Paulette Fedard published in 1992.
Complete book of drawing and painting by Mike Chaplin published 2004.
The drawing bible
By Craig Nelson published 2011 updated
The practical guide to Drawing techniques
By Peter gray published 2009
The encyclopedia of drawing techniques
By Hazel Harrison published 2014
The encyclopedia of illustration techniques
By Catherine Slade published 1997
How to draw and paint in pastels, pencil, pen and ink
By Stan Smith published 1986
Successful Drawing
By Andrew Loomis Published 1952
Penicl, ink, and Charcoal drawing
By Charles X. Carlson published 2007, updated version
Dynamic bible by Peter Han 2016
While watching this video, I decided to dig up some of my art tutorial books to go along with the chart, specifically Barrington Barber's "Practical Guide to Drawing Portraits" and Lise Herzog's "Easy Drawing", and I found passages in the book that were pretty similar, even with the layout and such, and then I looked through my massive folder of online tutorial images, again, same thing. Apparently it's not rocket science that a lot of artists will use almost the same easy basic methods in their books
Herzog has the 6 shade scale btw, what are the odds
Here is a link to a pinterest board that compares Dunn's book to one published 11 years before his, 2004. It has similar illustrations, layouts, supply list, and wording. It uses stroke to describe lines. Uses the the term "varying of line" and others the same as Dunn's. Because they are the basic fundamentals.
You have to type in the address because youtube deletes direct links
pin(dot)it/4rx4X2Y
@@klavdiatykovka here is a link to a pinterest board that has actual side-by-side unedited fullpage comparisons of Dunn's book and Parker's Inktober book. The layouts, chapters, wording, and examples illustrations are all different and in Parkers style.
pin(dot)it/19sLEyc
@@inkwell9651 yea honestly the drama is or was kind of silly cuz its based on basic things that are the easiest way to say or demonstrate something in a simple and understandable way
Most of it is based on subconscious or just logical decisions like the fact that a scale with 6 cases for different shade intensities is of a number dividable by 2 that goes after 5 which is a very basic and small number, and textured balls are an easy way to show off a texture cause you can see it from different perspectives due to the ball's roundness
@@klavdiatykovka The continuing drama and accusations are ridiculous. Everything in Dunn's book can be found in older teaching materials. People need to realize that just because they've never seen something before doesn't mean they created or discovered it. They might have came to the same conclusions as others. That's because these things are the fundamental building blocks of drawing. These drawing concepts are nothing new. How have people been creating art for thousands of years then? Before jumping on the bandwagon on either side people need to take a step back. Then actually do some research and critical thinking. Not rely on a single source.
Man what the hell I was doing the “6 step scale” when I was in highschool 7 years ago 👁👄👁 didn’t know my teacher was a PLAGIARIZER (I kid, I kid)
same lol i literally learned this in art school aswell. We forget that people can have the same idea without faking each other
I got even to difuminatition in highschool graphite drawing Wich was most of our art class
Maybe he read the book too.
@@everuby4787 Alphonso's first book was published in 2015 tho , that's less than 7 yrs ago
This is basic art skills. I’ve seen 20 books explaining the same ways to shade and cross hatch. It isn’t a new concept...scales are BASIC art knowledge. People who didn’t know were NEW to learning this.
"i did not make this video to have a positive impact on your life"
well i mean you're already holding us at knife-point
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@@livetochange974 oh sweetie... ): it's time for a snickers bar.
@@livetochange974 Wtf?
So we reporting that right
I cracked when he talked about that shading boxes XD i mean, that is soooo basic, even those are in my art textbooks. How does those two placed the same?? LMAO
I dunno about those dudes, but I'm 98% certain I have seen those images before. Long before, when I used to sneak into the Art Students section of my highschool, they had verrrry old books with those exact textures and shadings. Everyone was copying oldass books, but one of them wanted easy sue money. Seriously, shame on that dude
I saw someone on deviantart put 'DO NOT reference my art' with caps and all on a drawing --- It was anime fan art.
My fav was one of a basic wolf running and 'do NOT copy my pose' on the description
Kino username by the way
i drew luffy from one piece. you are not allowed to also draw luffy from one piece because it's my property now.
God, DeviantArt users always put up these insane, unenforceable rules on literally everything. It's like an alternate universe.
People who say ‘don’t reference my art’ rlly bug me. Like do they not ref other people’s art? Do they not understand that it can help others find their style
I'm personally offended that every single illustration of a pen drawing a line is leaning to the right and at the same angle. That angle is copyrighted. And I'm a lefty.
Everything is copywrited
*breathing is copywrited*
@@virpixyt2145 existing is *copyrighted*
Preach 😤
Probably a freaking liberal
Thank you! My god this is how I feel about this....it’s like dude I’ve seen the same “steps and processes” my ENTIRE LIFE through school and books and no one can own a damn pen swipe......
I have 5 different books about anatomy and I checked right now- they are all the same, more or lees. There are the bones, there are lots of skeleton, there are the muscles. I have few books "how to sew" too, again there are almost the same: what you need, what is what, how to start, how to do something. There is some order, the same order I had in design school 25y ago. How to hold a pencil, how to shade 2 steps, 3, 6....How to search geometry elements and why...so I can say that this two guys actually plagiarize , I don't know, Bammes? :/
At 5:54 I was like " what is he talking about? Everyone that learns art, values and about gradients does the scale of value" and the numbers ca be random I did it with 10 because I liked the number 10 in highschool... like I get that he can think someone stole his ideas but at these parts of study that everyone learns from and does them... I can't take it seriously...
He copies the exact order and uses nearly the same wording and explanations.
@@ared18t I would say watch Dunn's video again but Dunn has made it private or taken it down.
People keep using phrases like, " they're so similar" or "the coincidences of lesson order". What excatly is similar or what's a coincidence? Give a specific example of this.
Then those can be compared and discussed.
What people are failing to realize is of course both books are similar in certain sections that are going over the same basic subject matter. Because that is how they are taught. In a logical and proven order. Art instruction follows a fundamental basic order because skills are built on preceding skills. You do not jump into drawing textures before learning how to utilize lines. Also you don't start learning how to vary strokes without learning the proper way to hold and move your drawing instrument.
This is the most proven and used order in art instruction. Some instructors combine areas.
1 Materials-paper, canvas, pencil, pen, brush,.
2 How to handle/hold the mark making tool.
3 The different marks/strokes/lines that are made
4 How to vary marks-varying pressure, push/pull strokes, direction of your marks.
5 The basic shapes-circle, square, triangle
6 Creating value scales-light to dark, painting- cool to warm, warm to cool, muted/saturation
7 light and shadow
8 Forms, adding depth using the previous techniques so the circle, square, and triangle become sphere, cube, and cone.
9 textures to add more depth and dimension to forms.
Beyond these basics you move into putting them into practice by drawing or painting subjects. Refining your skills based on the fundamentals and their application.
That's the basic order of lessons. Both Dunn and Parker follow them because that is how its done.
The naming of exercises and techniques will be the same as well because that is what they are known and defined as. With some slight variations in terms but have the same definition depending on the medium being used. They will also look similar because the same subject matter is being taught. It is the final art piece that is unique, not the techniques utilized in it's creation. Even then, final art pieces may look similar if the same subject matter is used and drawing medium.
Do I think Parker copied Dunn? No, because when you actually look at both books side-by-side comparing what Dunn says is copied nothing actually is the same or at all. Dunn did not have a physical copy of Parker's book when he made his comparison. Dunn used stills and a 30 second blurry flip through of Parker's book from the internet. If you want to see an unedited comparison go to my about section. There is a link to a pinterest board I made the has actual unedited side-by-side page comparisons. Nothing is the same or direct copy as many claim. Overlay the pages in photoshop or any other graphics program. Nothing lines up. The layouts, illustrations, verbiage, style of illustrations are all different. What is the same is the basic fundamentals being taught and shown.
Dunn might believe that he was copied because he discovered some things on his own. The problem is he is not unique in his conclusions and everything he accuses Parker of plagiarizing was published in books decades before Dunn published his book or was even on youtube. Just because you haven't seen it before doesn't make it your unique idea or concept.
These are a few books and artists that follow the same structure and order of teaching. They use the exact or similar verbiage, concepts, layouts, drawing examples, and drawing exercises that are found in Dunn's and Parker's book.
Drawing with pen and ink by Arthur L. Guptil published 1930
How to draw in Pen and Ink by Susan Meyer and Martim Avillez published in 1985
Pen and pencil techniques by Harry Bergman published 1989
Drawing pencil techniques by David Lewis published 1984
The Art and Technique of pen drawing
by G. Montague Ellwood published in 1927, reissued 2003
Drawing in pen and ink by Claudia Nice published in 1997
Creative pen and ink techniques by Ian Sidaway published in 2001
Pen and Ink Techniques by Paulette Fedard published in 1992.
Complete book of drawing and painting by Mike Chaplin published 2004.
The drawing bible
By Craig Nelson published 2011 updated
The practical guide to Drawing techniques
By Peter gray published 2009
The encyclopedia of drawing techniques
By Hazel Harrison published 2014
The encyclopedia of illustration techniques
By Catherine Slade published 1997
How to draw and paint in pastels, pencil, pen and ink
By Stan Smith published 1986
Successful Drawing
By Andrew Loomis Published 1952
Penicl, ink, and Charcoal drawing
By Charles X. Carlson published 2007, updated version
Dynamic bible by Peter Han 2016
I'm a layout designer, so here is my take into his claims on the layout, and some highlight on how I usually work. Let's make it clear, it usually doesn't take a team to decide on the sizes of the fonts, I usually can do a layout design in a day, yes that would vary with experience and the amount of visual work, BUT, it's not the hardest thing ever, and he's using that as a way to be like, he stole layout because no one can replicate this. So, my other take on this is, if someone comes to me wanting to layout something, first I would ask them if they had a preference, and in this case as he showed earlier he was influenced with his work so he would have sent me or the designer that. Also, I would have researched other art books, which means there will be influences, and with that in mind, from an eye of layout designer, these look nothing alike, and I mean nothing. And I think the guy you referenced regarding the layout had the same line of thought, so anything layout related to me doesn't make sense.
In general, I don't think this should have been made as a big deal, They both cover super basics, which are things I've seen over and over as an artist and a designer, and I've seen the 6 scale shading method before as well, and I'm going to research more. But even if he thought that him covering the same scopes and using the same examples is plagiarism, it's just what he did as well probably, saying probably because I'm about to compare it to newer ones. In general, people shouldn't attack anyway even with proof, honestly, not many of us are judges or meant to be judges, judging is such a hard job, so yeah.
Edit: And I found the 6 steps hatching here, a 15 minutes search:
www.flickr.com/photos/24009972@N08/2311913965/
Also, after looking at his cube texture examples, I remembered these in some architecture texture examples and exercises I saw other architecture design students make when we were in college. I mean I'm going to sit down and do a full on research, not to actually prove he stole, but to prove neither of them at this point can come up with something "new", especially when it comes to the basics.
Dan Nelson has an amazing video on crosshatching where he describes what is essentially a 6 step scale... that he uploaded 10 years ago to UA-cam. super relaxing to watch.
ua-cam.com/video/AHoqh27vQRw/v-deo.html
When it comes to things like layout its really hard in my mind to prove plagiarism. We already have legal precedent in the US that pose and composition are not legally copyrightable, even in such cases where it can be said that the original artists work obviously influenced the work of the second. I cant take a picture of a basketball in a forrest and then turn around and claim that I now own all possible compositions of that particular idea. Even if I can prove without a shadow of doubt that no basketball in forest pictures existed before my photo, it would be blatantly absurd to suppose that something so simple can be invented and owned by one person in current year and for all time henceforth (thankfully the law agrees with this view). Of course my original photograph is my owned copyright still.
My point is that firstly: if we take this guys claim of plagiarism as one hundred percent legal truth then we have just written precedent that would destroy copyright law in its entirety. For example there are only a finite number of ways one can (sensibly) make a Thanksgiving cookbook. If this became law then publishers would be doing absurd things like basically organizing their pages and the information on them in completely random order to try to avoid infringing on each others copyright. It would (with no exaggeration) quickly devolve into total collapse of the publishing industry.
I think its been pointed out a hundred times already but this guy hardly invented 6 tone scales. People in his defense say that the books are for more similar in style and layout to each other than they should be. But that's legally a moot point as I've already pointed out as composition is not legally copyrightable. This guy as I see it has no leg to stand on and is either stupid or being malicious on purpose.
I mean an easy example in art history is the entire impressionist movement in Paris France, where hundreds of artist by this guys definition where infringing on each others original ideas and layouts and compositions and so on for years on end.
I get that he feels upset that the book on how to draw with pen has similar ideas to his, but he is clearly not thinking this whole situation through very carefully.
And youll find it all for sure. And Big thsnks 🤘🏼🤘🏼
@@MaudMargretheRex Yep, I found everything they both covered everywhere before them. So I think him just claiming that this plagiarism is out of question. The problem now is that the online art community just shut off an art event and an artist for so reason at all.
@@ivan_says_hi I totally agree, and I think the same too. And as someone that layouts all the time, there aren't many ways to layout books in general, having the same elements aligned differently in all the books in the world is just impossible. So yeah, I agree, he's just using it to get at the guy, and he succeeded sadly. I think at one point he tried to peruse legal actions and his lawyer probably told him it won't work, so he went ahead and decided to just destroy the person using his influence and the internet.
"He did a 30 second flip through the book."
"Guys, That flip through was 30 seconds."
Every in 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes
His point was specifically to reiterate '30 seconds' and what a short amount of time that is. And in less than a minute, to still catch multiple instances of glaring similarities.
See: Angry Joe '4 HOURS'
Ah yes, the floor is made out of floor-
i chugged a whole cup of coffee and the caffeine kickebd in and idk how to think and read my hand r shanking htis is my first tiem hdjhdej
oh im ok now i can read again
i mean i applaud his confidence but honestly almost all of those tips in both books are really in almost every single art books that we all seen. also the book wasnt out when this issue came in, what i learned in school is that to avoid plagiarism is to cite your sources.
books always have citations on where they got their information, what if the inktober book actually have alphonso's book cited in the index which means it has used specific as one of those sources.... then all of these accusations are just meaningless.
It's not confidence, but rather ego from Dunn. Go watch the original video from his channel. Dunn is basically trying to lay claim to all of the techniques in the book as his unique and genius creations. Then accusses Parker of copying his concepts. Which is laughable since nothing in Dunn's book was created by him.
On your point about citations. Dunn's book has no bibliography. So there are no citations, making it appear that Dunn is the sole creator of the books ideas and examples. Which is false. Dunn's book uses photos and drawings from other artists without giving them credit. One glaring example is on page 98 in a section titled, You can learn a lot by copying. Dunn redraws Vincent van Gogh's, A Stary night and other artists work without citing or crediting them.
In Parkers book, Inktober all year long, there is a chapter dedicated to some great inkists of the past. Plus in Parker's bibliography he cites other authors and artists as influences. Where Dunn is actually cited.
There are links in my youtube about profile. They are to a pinterest board that has actual side-by-side unedited pics of both books. If I put direct links in my comment the whole comment gets deleted.
@@inkwell9651 ah thank you for the information good sir/person!
@@inkwell9651 Are you Parker?
Well this thing coming up again, and people still believe that Alfonzo is in the right. Most of those techniques are in a book my mom got 30 years ago. Was that plagiarism too?
Although I understand Dunn's frustration, I only wish he had confronted Jake with this first before going public, now they both have to deal with the backfire. Although Jake made a statement on instagram, I think he needs to address it on video too n state his opinions n then we can hear what he has to say n see if there's something there's some kind of logical explanation on his part.
That being said, inktober is a community-based project and challenge, and people should still have the right to decide whether they want to participate or not. For anyone who wishes to skip inktober, that's fine but don't think that gives you the right to ostracize those who still enjoy it n wish to continue. Don't force your own agenda on others, you can state your opinions n act on them sure, but I'd prefer you not go on a witch hunt this upcoming October and patronize those who decide to still partake in it but as much as it dislike the thought, I can see that happening for sure.
How would they have settled it privately? Alphonso: "Hey JP, I see you have the same stuff in your book that I have in mine. Please stop publishing your book, thanks"??
@@popesuavecitoxii2379 it's called professionalism hun
@@popesuavecitoxii2379 it may have not been as straightforward as u describe it, but I still think direct communication is key. Even if there was a possibility that Jake disrespected n didn't agree to cooperate with Dunn to solve the problem, at least we can say that he tried to keep things private and professional like what Peter Han suggested he'd done.
Granted, I can understand Dunn was frustrated n was seeking validation, but involving social media that has a toxic mentality of cancel culture is very risky n is often a messy situation for both sides whether you are at the right or wrong.
@@ishda1250 Ethan already addressed how there is really no "right way" to accuse someone of stealing, so save your condescending bullshit response for someone else, hun
@@syrusangi8743 Again, there is no way to accuse someone of stealing without negative repercussions. Jake, as a businessman, would've referred Alphonso to his lawyers or some legal department at the publishing company. It would make a hostile relationship between them regardless if it were public or private. Alphonso isn't responsible for the behavior of people online. Nowhere in his video did he say for people to attack Jake and "cancel" him. Jake already had a shaky reputation on social media to begin with. Had he not caused controversy before, there would be less vitriol towards him in the online community.
I don't see any plagiarism. I see similarities. I'm old, so I did gray scale studies before either of them were born! Did they both plagiarize me? NO!
Yeah totally! You cannot claim that someone plagiarized you when you are talking about the basics of a field.
@@haebienpak5701 true
if you watched Dunn's video it was not the concepts that he said were plagiarized but actually the textual explanations and the layout. The basics of art can be explained by everybody but the sequence and wording of how Jake did it is blatant plagiarism.
Absolutely!
They should also sue Da Vinci and Michelangelo.
@@bunnyskiddadle1477 hmmmm in that case I could see why but I might need a bit more context. Thx for the explanation tho!
My art teacher taught us the 6 step shade scale. That was 30 years ago nearly.
Guys dont worry i know what comes after 6 its 7 you can thank me later it took me so long to think of 7
I understand he's upset about the layout and stuff, but like.... I swear I've seen this same general book layout in all my art books from school. Like this is a logical layout. It's like saying someone stole a crochet pattern of a sphere when there's only a limited amount of ways to crochet a sphere and if you make one, the pattern will be the exact same pattern has hundreds of other peoples' original sphere patterns. I'm not mad about it or anything. I just... -shrug- it's weird that people are freaking out and not just being like "nah I don't think so" and moving on with their lives or saying "yeah I agree - I'll just not do Inktober or buy the book" and moving on with their lives. Like this isn't a straight-up obvious tracing stealing making millions of dollars off something he didn't do any work on himself except rewording a few things. Just take it to court and let them decide how close it has to be to count. Jeez.
You can find all his earth shattering discoveries that he took months to figure out right here...over 600 examples
www.pinterest.co.uk/penwiz404/alphonso-dunn-is-full-of-it/
Which books?
"Then I'm thinking, why am I doing all this work? I got all of you to do the work for me" One day, I wanna be as powerful as Ethan to have my fans, underlings, and subs, to do some in depth investigative work over certain things.
On top of that, I also want to have enough facial hair to strap a lav mic onto the little strands.
Beware he's STRONGER THAN SHAGGY
and you know how crazy he can rally his follower to do something. thank god his doing it for good even tho he act like he doesn't care to all of us. His a like a father to all of us lol.
@@Jonathonson kids like you will have a balded scalp before you even grow 1 facial hair, hope you stress until you get alopecia
@@livetochange974 man, I'm really glad I don't have to deal with people like you irl.
For the unconventional tools section, all those tools (sponge, toothbrush etc.) have been taught to be used in art schools for centuries now so that's just silly that those manchildren decide to fight over who did it first.
Dunn is the only one trying to claim all these techniques as his creation. Parker never did, he actually has a section of great inkists of the past. Also lists others in the book's bibliography. Dunn's book has no bibliography, as if his whole book is original. Go watch Dunn's video. He tries to claim, among other art fundamentals, 2,3, and 6 step value scale is something he came up with. Yet in Dunn book he has a 9 step scale right under the 6 that he doesn't mention. Then throughout his book he also uses 4 and 5 step scales. So does Dunn lay claim 2, 3 ,4, 5, 6, and 9 step scales?
On page 98 of Dunn's book he says you learn a lot from copying. Right above a drawing he does of Vincent van Gogh's The Starry Night without giving credit or sighting it's source.
@@inkwell9651 he invented drawing yk 😪
@@inkwell9651 Are you Parker?
This is how knowledge works it gets passed down and at this point everyone knows it.
the only thing you didn’t copy from d’angelo: the exact 10 minute mark for that extra ad revenue.
Nah, now his thing is 40-30 min deep dives into drama. He got it right lol
(Dk why, but I think my comment sounded kinda rude? Lol, just to clarify, I love d'angelo's old and new format, so ye)
@@Trebinhas THIS. hahaha
@@Trebinhas well on his MAIN CHANNEL ( although I think he said that his second is now his main... ) he does the 10 min videos (when is say main channel I mean og one)
on the second channel he does the documentary expose style videos that are really long
“Draw a box” online tutorial basically has everything they have
The fascinating thing about Draw A Box is that it was made by a computer dude. He unlocked the secret
Nope wmv computer dude?
@@nopewmv3377 what is this bs
Programmers
And “draw a box” learned directly from Peter Han(in this video) and consulted in Peter in constructing his material
Super late to the party. but even 10 mins into it I noticed these are all basic themes in most books and what I and many people learned in art school.
You are right. That's a major issue with this fiasco. The people siding with Dunn have little or zero formal art training. If they did, these techniques or theories would have been part of their beginning classes in the fundamentals.
You don't "copyright" a term, you trademark it.
And as a creator, you HAVE TO trademark important names as you publish them, otherwise it's up for grabs from other creators, of all shapes and sizes. You lose control of your own style if you don't trademark it.
But what does the trademark mean?
It means that in the context of book titles, nobody else can use the term "inktober". That's it. You can mention it in a book, you can use it as a title for your youtube video, or create a piece of software named inktober. You just cannot call your new book "Inktober: The revenge" or something like that.
It is no different from George Lucas trademarking Star Wars, despite the term having been used before 1977. Or Google trademarking the word Google, despite that already being a mathematical term.