Falling in Love with Being again | with John Vervaeke

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  • @JohannesNiederhauser
    @JohannesNiederhauser  Рік тому +18

    Thank you for being here and listening.
    If now is the time for you to read Being and Time consider enrolling in my course here halkyonacademy.teachable.com/p/martin-heidegger-being-and-time-masterclass

    • @IngridHurwitz
      @IngridHurwitz Рік тому +1

      course looks amazing. Unfortunately outside my budget but I wish you huge success. Wonderful work. The linguistic sensitivity is just a delight

  • @johnvervaeke
    @johnvervaeke Рік тому +57

    This will come out on my channel as well, but I am so happy that he has release it!! This is such a wonderful discussion. Thank you Johannes.

    • @wehsee912
      @wehsee912 Рік тому +1

      🌚☄️❤️💫

    • @IngridHurwitz
      @IngridHurwitz Рік тому +2

      so grateful for the clarification of sati vs the eternal now as nihilistic. fantastic insight. Isn't it interesting that in a 'post-truth" late capitalist atomised world the only apparent refuge would be in the individualistic "the now" as the closest alternative to participation? We can do nothing alone and disconnected. The sangha is humanity

  • @johnwoodcock3880
    @johnwoodcock3880 Рік тому +9

    Congratulations for a most inspiring conversation! On a personal note, it is heart-warming to find two men in dialogue, inspiring each other to further leaps, rather than the usual and incredibly boring desire to dominate any thinking alternative to one’s own. Your creative excitement is palpable!
    I also want to point our for readers an astounding claim briefly made by Johannes: “the metaphysical birthright of the human being [to be] born in this dimension but that dimension doesn't speak to us anymore.” Stark empirical evidence supporting this claim accumulates rapidly on a daily basis now as the despoliation of the world rises exponentially. But to put the matter phenomenologically as “this dimension does not speak to us anymore” opens the critical question, “is there a dimension that DOES speak to us”? We get enticing clues from this talk, such as “in some sense the future begins to alter the past.” And “the gathering together of past, present and future”… This strange new way of thinking temporality is in fact getting a grip on the human soul through the arts (think of Terminator-Philip K Dick, a modern prophet/philosopher). Others are portraying the incursion of a “fourth dimension” into our usual one-all attempts to find the poetic language to SAY what in fact is drawing our creative energies towards its reality. It speaks to us loudly now!

  • @emilthiels6256
    @emilthiels6256 2 місяці тому

    Hello, have a beautiful day to both of you, thanks

  • @danielmartines3859
    @danielmartines3859 Рік тому +9

    Loved this dialogos. So grateful to both Vervaeke and Niederhauser. Loved the tension to describe Logos. Specially trying to converge on a structure to describe Being and Phenomena. And the use of “Logos” as a medium for the middle voice, or how phenomena manifests itself and becomes relevant to us, i.e. as relevance is realized. The point about concealing and un-concealing reminds me of Buddhist’s dependent origination cycle and the constant cycle of generation of phenomena 35:00
    41:18 as far as what Heidegger is doing outside of the propositional. It’s not that semantic meaning doesn’t have a role. But it’s just a tool that can help us to understand phenomena, but it’s not phenomena itself. Phenomena is much more participatory vs other ways to intelligibility. It is much more effortless like Wu Wei, in the Dao De Jing.
    Being cannot be explained but it is Obvious, as Heidegger puts in the beginning of his book
    46:07 this section gave me a whole appreciation of the co-existence of Being and Phenomena, as if distinct yet one of the same.
    1:10:00 The point around leaving the cave and returning to it "the cave never disappears" is a great reminder. Yes out of compassion, yes out of agape! That's akin to the bodhisattva's sacrifice - leave the nirvana realm, return to the world, and help all sentient beings.
    Thank you for engaging on this practice.

  • @82472tclt
    @82472tclt Рік тому +16

    I think reading Heidegger and the way he wrote is itself a "practice" by his design

  • @ingestarainbow
    @ingestarainbow Рік тому +3

    Beautiful dialogue. Thanks to you both. It's a real privilege to get to listen in to you discuss these themes. I could listen to hours and hours of this! Thanks

  • @meinking22
    @meinking22 Рік тому +1

    "Philosophy is Real...these thoughts, carry the world."
    Just catching up on this dialogos. Absolutely excellent. Thank you for sharing.

  • @IngridHurwitz
    @IngridHurwitz Рік тому +1

    "Moeglichkeit"! thank you :) I love this!

  • @thomassimmons1950
    @thomassimmons1950 Рік тому +3

    Pure Fireworks 🎆!!

  • @DawsonSWilliams
    @DawsonSWilliams Рік тому +1

    Aporia is the key to philosophizing.
    Displacement is a brilliant term!
    Wittgenstein epitomized the puzzlement and the concern that arises, when engaged in philosophy:
    “A philosophical problem has the form of: “I don’t know my way about.”

  • @climbingmt.sophia
    @climbingmt.sophia Рік тому +1

    First of all I would like to thank you both. This is a tremendous dialogue which opened many significant portals for me.
    I especially resonated with the mapping around Time, and am finding thrownness, projection and concern deeply resonant.
    The point about time seeming fleeting due to a fleeting confrontation with death is an excellent frame to view my own experience, how time seems to have grown immeasurably more dense as I have taken care to work with Death.

  • @thomassimmons1950
    @thomassimmons1950 Рік тому +2

    This may very well be the most instructive and important video dialogues I've experienced. Can't say enough about it.

  • @BertWald-wp9pz
    @BertWald-wp9pz Рік тому +1

    Nourishment of being. How to go beyond words?

  • @ellentewkesbury5936
    @ellentewkesbury5936 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for a wonderful gift to my ear, so to speak... to precious hearing..

  • @nathanpoole-mccullough9104
    @nathanpoole-mccullough9104 Рік тому +3

    This is brilliant! What is the relationship between love and being as such!

  • @leedufour
    @leedufour Рік тому +1

    Thanks Johannes and John!

  • @ChristianGrossCG
    @ChristianGrossCG Рік тому +4

    1:05:00 you just got to love the german language.
    "Möglichkeit" might sometimes be better translated to "likelihood"

  • @danielmartines3859
    @danielmartines3859 Рік тому +4

    Thanks!

  • @barbarabartels5449
    @barbarabartels5449 Рік тому

    evolving!

  • @moisebenezra
    @moisebenezra Рік тому +1

    Thank you for helping me see.

  • @dalibofurnell
    @dalibofurnell Рік тому

    This is probably one of my absolute favorite conversations, I find myself taking part in it 😅 if you understand how the renewal of the mind works and can do that as a practise it helps here. It is possible to teach but one needs to seek to learn it.

  • @tomdocherty3755
    @tomdocherty3755 Рік тому

    Isn’t this Heidegger’s attempt to convey some thing of the teaching of Dogen, master and 13th century founder of Soto Zen. His works in Shobogenzo speaks a great deal of Being-Time.

  • @robertgray9599
    @robertgray9599 Рік тому +4

    Is Heidegger talking about wu wei? Also, the book referenced is "A Dialogue on Language between a Japanese and an Inquirer" mentioned in the middle part. It's one of my favorites! Also, "Martin Heidegger - Letters to his Wife" is insightful into his thoughts, character, and life which I really enjoyed. He starts a lot of letters with 'My dearest Soul' and ends them with little charming signatures like 'your happy Boy' while he talks about things like culture emerging from primordial sources. :)

    • @DawsonSWilliams
      @DawsonSWilliams Рік тому +1

      Your first question caught my attention. There is a rich ‘dialogue’ to be had, concerning the phenomenon of wu-wei in Lao-Tzu and Zhuangzi, as it might relate to Heidegger’s phenomenological work in Being and Time. In fact, my mentor introduced Heidegger to us, by referring to passages in the Tao Te Ching, as well as the story of the man who was ‘drunk off the Tao’ in Zhuangzi. I think the book called “Heidegger and Asian Thought” is a great place to look.

    • @clumsydad7158
      @clumsydad7158 Рік тому

      @@DawsonSWilliams i've always thought the shift to a more phenomenological/flow understanding of things in 19th and 20th century philosophy (often in Germany) was from a slow leakage of eastern thought into the stodgy old edifice of western philos

  • @EcstaticTemporality
    @EcstaticTemporality Рік тому +1

    I appreciate this talk. Do you recommend Hubert Dreyfus's "Being-in-the-World: A Commentary on Heidegger's Being and Time, Division I" as a supplement to BT?

  • @archanglemercuri
    @archanglemercuri Рік тому +1

    we like how our gears of their, they’re, there, reflect distance or time. do we like music as much? Usually 8 counts, yet to a major scale of sounds how one/• are we 😝 haha.
    ♾️
    great to meet more friends in you two chatting 👏🏽💞

    • @archanglemercuri
      @archanglemercuri Рік тому

      also, because we don’t know anything, we just are allowed to share what is gno’n at times… perhaps we could ask:
      • how to the best way to ask:
      • communally help us with our beanstalk, and the soil 🙏🏽
      • because we also believe midwifing is a yield along the way
      • when the beanstalk shakes it makes blurs our vision
      🔽
      oh by the way, have we seen the Exodus series?
      🔼
      sometimes the conversation goes to the left of Dr. Peterson and it’s like time again shows up verrrry closely ♾️🤓
      👟
      • also John Vervæke, we really like those 1st set of shoes you wore the other day 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 seen those

    • @archanglemercuri
      @archanglemercuri Рік тому

      burdens of existence 🫠 but so we may be of more service 🙏🏽

  • @blavatovsky9553
    @blavatovsky9553 Рік тому +2

    Huuuge !!!❤

  • @PositivelySpicy
    @PositivelySpicy Рік тому +1

    Thanks

  • @dorothypollex1329
    @dorothypollex1329 Рік тому +1

    what Marty was going for is impossible to analyze. Its the authentic expression of everyday experience. dasein is being here now, fully with emotion, cognition and body instrument.

  • @alexandrazachary.musician
    @alexandrazachary.musician Рік тому +1

    Great conversation. Thank you gentlemen! 💜Is apophatic logos the same as no-self doctrine in Buddhism? Sunyata? It feels like it is especially in the propositional/semantic blockage to direct experiential knowledge. I am no Heidegger scholar but what I've read seems to fit with my practice of meditation (if I have any grasp whatsoever). The European tradition seems to need so many words 😂. The Zen master just slaps you and explodes your brain with a koan. To each his own I guess. 🧠❤🙏

    • @DawsonSWilliams
      @DawsonSWilliams Рік тому +1

      I have the perfect recommendation for you- Nagarjuna’s “Fundamental Wisdom of The Middle Way.” The text is an immense philosophical treatment of Sunyata; enough to satisfy the western philosopher. You could even read Wittgenstein in tandem with Nagarjuna for a true philosophical meditation.

    • @alexandrazachary.musician
      @alexandrazachary.musician Рік тому

      @@DawsonSWilliams I know Nargarjuna well. I am much more of an Eastern than Western scholar. Wittgenstein… saving him up for my old age. 🙏🏽

  • @wehsee912
    @wehsee912 Рік тому +1

    🌚☄️❤️💫

  • @albertsonntag754
    @albertsonntag754 Рік тому +2

    Thanks!