This is very similar to another scheduling controversy involving another Seattle team in the Sounders of MLS in 2010. The Sounders in the middle of September had not one not two not three but four different games on the road in two different competitions in that time period. To kick things off, the Sounders had to travel to San Jose Costa Rica to play Saprissa in the CONCACAF Champions League. The Sounders then had to fly 7 hours north to play Columbus in MLS. After that they had to fly to Mexico to play Monterrey in another CONCACAF Champions League match. Then to finish it off, the Sounders had to fly to Chicago to play the Fire in another MLS match. This totals 9171 miles across three different countries & multiple time zones. All of this travel took place within an 11 day time period & unlike the Seahawks in this situation, the Sounders had to remain on the road to make sure they got to each destination on time, meaning the players & coaches could not go home. As for how the Sounders did on this cross continental trip they lost 2-0 to Saprissa, thrashed Columbus 4-0, lost a heart breaker 3-2 to Monterrey after leading 2-0 at halftime & beat Chicago 1-0 on a last minute goal. After Sounders coach Sigi Schmid complained bitterly about this travel schedule, MLS & CONCACAF adjusted their schedules so that MLS clubs participating in the CONCACAF Champions League had at least 4 days between playing a Champions League match & an MLS one & the MLS clubs would have a home match to prevent this scenario from happening again.
Im coming off a 15-1 season and a Super Bowl title on Madden 12 and the only prime time game I get this season is one Monday night game in week fifteen against the Rams. Wtf?!?!
I hope for Seahawk fans they are better now with those jersey’s then how they played when those jerseys originally came out Their best player was Cortez Kennedy basically between 1990-1995
I remember that same season the Raiders had a MNF game at Denver, then followed that up with a road game at New Orleans and playing the early slot, but this situation with the Seahawks takes the cake. On another note in a different sport, I was at the 2010 San Francisco Giants home opener which took place on Friday April 9, 2010 against the Atlanta Braves. That was a 1:35 PM first pitch but the Braves played the night before in Atlanta against the Chicago Cubs that was a 7:10 PM Eastern first pitch. Could you imagine playing that late and then flying cross country and maybe getting in at 2 or 3 am, not getting to your hotel until maybe 4 am then playing an early afternoon game. That game went 13 innings as well. That would come to close to MLBs equivalent to this situation.
When I was growing up in the 90's it seemed like everybody watched MNF. I remember the Farve game the day after he lost his Dad and torched the Raiders it was the topic of discussion the entire next day.
Leading up to the 2006 Broadcast changes, the nfl shifted the focus to Sunday night football. What we loved and knew as "Monday night football" has been Sunday night football since 2006. ESPN's bastardized version of MNF since 2006 has been a joke. Which is a shame because their version of SNF with Mike Patrick, Theisman, and Paul McGuire was really good.
@@TimmyTickle Tirico and Gruden did well yes. I enjoyed their work. But the matchups were never the marquee game of the week like it was during the abc years.
That was definitely a lame excuse not to change things. It's some Madden scheduling. I was playing franchise as the Steelers. Had a Monday away against the Dolphins, then an away against the 49ers, then an away against the Bills.
c'mon now, that seahawks didnt HAVE to travel back to seattle and then to carolina. they could have stayed on somewhere between them for the week. teams do it frequently and it was much more common back then.
@@awesome123306 sure do. You however don’t seem to know that is not at all uncommon for a team to practice on the road for a week sone times. The NY giants this year requested and were given AZ and SF in back to back weeks with the intention of not traveling home between games.
Despite what the league did to the Seahawks, Holmgren has to take some blame for how he handled things after that. The team went home, gaining 2 hours, and slept in their own beds for 3 days. And then they traveled to the other side of the country. Why not travel from KC to Charlotte and get them used to the Eastern time zone? Plenty of time to be well rested before facing the Panthers. And just like a random guy figured out how to fix the schedule when the league could not, another random guy figured out how to make a bad situation a bit easier for the Seahawks instead of what Mike Holmgren did.
Well considering that Holmgren was a few weeks away from the Jon Kitna controversy, which you can learn more about by clicking the card in the upper right hand corner, that would explain a few things
I think the 2000 Seahawks were playing at UW's Husky Stadium while their new stadium was being built on the site of the Kingdome. Not sure if that was Cortez' final season.
The NFL was straight-up incompetent in this case. I'm not gonna suggest that the Seahawks would've beaten the Panthers with a better travel situation, but I think they would've had a better shot. Having to fly from Kansas City, Mo. back to Seattle on a short week and to Charlotte and back after that is brutal and I'm not surprised that they played so poorly at the Panthers. I don't care that the game in Charlotte was in the late window. The NFL had no business having the Seahawks play in Charlotte after a Monday night road game, especially on that was 2 time zones east of them.
A couple of interesting facts about the Seahawks schedule that year. 1. They played in San Diego the week before the KC game. How hard would it have been to switch the Chargers game with the Panthers game? 2. They ended the season with consecutive games at Husky Stadium on Saturday.
Cardinals used to do this all the time. People forget that when they moved to Arizona in 1988 they were still in the NFC East until 2002. 1989-week 1 at Detroit, week 2 at Seattle, week 3 at NY Giants. Don't recall anyone making a big deal out of it then. Or how about this. 1990-week 1 @ Washington, week 2 @ Philadelphia, week 3 @ New Orleans.
The ironic thing is that the Seahawks had to travel to the East Coast twice..... to play an NFC West opponent!!. That's how messed up the divisions were back then. And as far as scheduling, the NFL also had the Seahawks and Raiders play each other in the preseason even though they were division opponents. Definitely a head scratcher
@@mgb4692 They did it then too?! That's wild that the NFL would schedule preseason games between 2 division opponents. So apparently, it looks like this happened from time to time. And speaking of 1996, the Buccaneers and Dolphins played each other twice in the preseason. The NFL was some crazy scheduling back then!!
NCAA basketball sometimes did this with the tournament as well before they went to the pod system they currently use. I remember that in 2000 the regionals were played in Buffalo and the Sweet 16 was played in Syracuse. One of the teams in that regional was Pepperdine in Malibu, CA. They lost to Oklahoma State in the 2nd round and the Cowboys chose to stay in New York for the week before the Sweet 16.
Seattle should have simply packed for two roads games and travelled from Kansas City and then go to Charlotte afterwards and not bothered going back to Seattle mid week. Could have found accommodations where they could have practiced at a local college field. When basketball teams have 5 or 6 game road trips, they aren't flying back home between each game.
Seattle teams crush frequent flyer miles. Watching baseball and their new hockey team as well they have to visit the east coast several times throughout the season while coming to the west coast for the east is like a vacation for those teams. But that is the beast for west coast teams.
So im guessing back then teams did just stay out on that side of the country if they had two road gms that far away? Common sense would've said it makes no sense to travel the KC, then go home, then later travel to CAR that same week
Other teams have been screwed in the regular season. The Dolphins had a home game followed by a game in Seattle followed the next week by a 1:00 game in New England how is that much better. That is 3000+ miles In back to back weeks on the road. The longest road trip in the league followed by the second longest road trip to New England.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a better game for the Seahawks against the Panthers in the 2005 NFC Championship Game, which the Seahawks won in spite of a bad move by Mike Holmgren.
There are lots of Seattle Seahawks fans who really believe, myself included, that there is a bias against our team. This is another example of why that belief exists.
Dude. Seriously. You're 850 miles away from your closest DIVISIONAL opp. Extensive ravel will always be an issue for Seattle. That said, scheduling can help alleviate it a bit
Traveling distances have something to do with the reason they changed the "pairings" of teams in the West Divisions in terms of which opponents were home and which were away according to the league's scheduling rotation. Starting with the 2002 season, with the new alignment and scheduling format, in each division, the teams were listed 1-4 by their location identifier. Example: AFC East - Buffalo, Miami, New England, New York (Jets). In each division teams 1 & 2 were paired while 3 & 4 were paired. Thus each season Buffalo and Miami got the same home opponents and same away opponents, excluding the two games each wound play against teams within their conference based on previous season standings. Same went for New England and New York Jets. The issue aroxe with the fact that in the West divisions, the pairs were Denver/Kansas City, Oakland/San Diego, Arizona/St. Louis, and San Francisco/Seattle. This meant that, for one thing, two teams from one division would have two West Coast road games, while the other two didn't have any. And worse, per the rotation, in a few seasons a couple of teams from a division would end up with four West Coast road games while the other two had none. That happened in 2005 with Dallas and the New York Giants both having two play all four Pacific Coast teams away, while Philadelphia and Washington got to face each of them at home. I'm aware of the Cardinals home base being in a state where their time of day is the same as the Pacific Coast 8 months out of the year and the first two months of the NFL season but the point stands. Then there was 2008 when, per the scheduling rotation, New England and the Jets would have to face those four WC teams away, while Buffalo and Miami got to host those teams. I do remember that the Patriots requested that the league schedule those games in two back-to-back weekends, which was granted. The Jets made no such request and was thus stuck with four separate trips to the WC at different parts of the season. The Patriots went 3-1 in those games while the Jets were 0-4 in those games, not to mention that none of the four WC teams had a winning record in 2008. Another problem is that if that exact rotation had stayed in place in perpetuity, Buffalo and Miami would never be forced to endure that kind of schedule, but the Patriots and Jets would about every 24 years. In the aftermath, starting with the 2010 season, the "pairings" of the West Division teams switched, as now it was Denver/Oakland, Kansas City/San Diego, Arizona/San Francisco and St. Louis/Seattle. Of course the Rams moved back to LA, still the league has done a few more things to ease the burden of travel.
They've even done this more with east coast teams the last few years, bundle them up out west: 2015: Ravens at 49ers, Cards (MNF) 2020: Patriots at Chargers, Rams (TNF) 2022: Patriots at Cards (MNF), at Raiders 2023: Giants at Cards, 49ers (TNF)
They can't do the same thing for western teams traveling east **to the same degree** but it seems like over the last dozen or so seasons there are more such games in the 4pm window or in primetime than in years past. It still holds true that good teams find ways to not be completely done in by their traveling schedule. Recall the '89 Rams at the end of their season until the NFC Title game
Why not just ask Carolina to be able to practice on their field and travel directly to Charlotte after playing in KC? I know the Pats have had back to back road games on the west coast and did this.
The league should have done better. But it's also worth pointing out the travel distance detail is a bit warped. It's amplified by merit of being the Seahawks. In Seattle. That 6000 is probably closer to 5000 in that regard.
If this was UW bitching, I'd say the fact that the Hawks played the Jets in 2012 some 14-15 hours after the Huskies played Utah on Senior Night (when they played at Lumen in 2011-12 during Husky Stadium renovation) is more than adequate repayment
From 1995-2001, the San Francisco 49ers lead the NFL in miles logged on the road due to the Rams moving from Los Angeles to St. Louis and the expansion Carolina Panthers joining the NFC West Division. That left San Francisco as the only NFC West team that actually played their home games on the west coast, a problem that wasn't rectified until the NFL realigned the divisions to be more geographically friendly to begin the 2002 NFL season. Even though the 49ers logged more travel miles than any NFL team just in their four road division games alone, I never recalled them complaining to the league about it. They toughed it out and made the playoffs five times in that seven-year span. Maybe I'm just biased as a 49er fan, but Mike Holmgren and the Seahawks just come off as whiny crybabies in that situation. They could have easily stayed on the east coast in the week leading up to the Carolina game instead of flying back to Seattle. In recent years the 49ers would always, when they played back-to-back road games in the eastern time zone, choose to stay on the road to avoid the unnecessary travel and they usually played better as a result.
Why couldn't the Seahawks just share a practice facility with any of the Carolina FBS schools? (For context to the other commenters, UNC-Charlotte didn't have football yet, so they wouldn't have had a suitable practice facility.) That's what I would've tried in that situation. You could maybe even get the league to reimburse your lengthy stay because it's their fault for the massive oversight.
big deal. teams travel to all coasts during the season. more games when cross conference east/west divisions meet. pats had games in l a back to back and just stayed there two weeks. And there were no 4000 miles trips to london for teams back then, some after already traveling to game the week before. and seahawks need to make the return to afc unis permanent.
Would Like to see 2 games a week...!!! With *BYE* weeks being in the center of the season...: . . Who needs a Bye-week in Week 2...Or 17...??!!! ..... Week 7....AFC get's Off......Week 9....NFC get's Off...!!!
Back then, Monday night football was THE game. Not Sunday night like it has been since 2006. The Seahawks weren't even relevant enough to be on there if not for Holmgren's arrival. They played 3 Monday night games in the prior 10 full seasons from 1989-1998. Most teams like the niners, cowboys, packers, would play 3 MNF games per season. So bottom line f*** seattle
Eh, not really- they were 27th in the NFL in yards allowed and finished 7-9. They did allow the 12th fewest points that season though. The Panthers simply showed up to play that day.
You’re talking in circles makes me skip the first 75% of the video to actually get to the part of the video that is what the title of the video is. You have interesting topics, but you make these 16-23 min vids that all should be 4-8 min videos with the relevant info.
This did not need to be a 30 minute video...
Chart itself was a middle finger to the Seahawks lmao
Holmgren when he saw the sked: I'm sorry. What?
This is very similar to another scheduling controversy involving another Seattle team in the Sounders of MLS in 2010. The Sounders in the middle of September had not one not two not three but four different games on the road in two different competitions in that time period. To kick things off, the Sounders had to travel to San Jose Costa Rica to play Saprissa in the CONCACAF Champions League. The Sounders then had to fly 7 hours north to play Columbus in MLS. After that they had to fly to Mexico to play Monterrey in another CONCACAF Champions League match. Then to finish it off, the Sounders had to fly to Chicago to play the Fire in another MLS match. This totals 9171 miles across three different countries & multiple time zones. All of this travel took place within an 11 day time period & unlike the Seahawks in this situation, the Sounders had to remain on the road to make sure they got to each destination on time, meaning the players & coaches could not go home. As for how the Sounders did on this cross continental trip they lost 2-0 to Saprissa, thrashed Columbus 4-0, lost a heart breaker 3-2 to Monterrey after leading 2-0 at halftime & beat Chicago 1-0 on a last minute goal. After Sounders coach Sigi Schmid complained bitterly about this travel schedule, MLS & CONCACAF adjusted their schedules so that MLS clubs participating in the CONCACAF Champions League had at least 4 days between playing a Champions League match & an MLS one & the MLS clubs would have a home match to prevent this scenario from happening again.
Excellent video ! . I also didn’t know about the agreement with Husky stadium either.
I really appreciate how you’ve slowed your speech down! This has made watching these a much better experience! Thank you so much!
Im coming off a 15-1 season and a Super Bowl title on Madden 12 and the only prime time game I get this season is one Monday night game in week fifteen against the Rams. Wtf?!?!
Thats the older maddens for you, the newer maddens are much better when it comes to scheduling
@@Thunder103093true but I hate when the season doesn’t end with a division opponent
@@Simbaforlife older maddens have that problem too
Can we take a minutes to admired the Seahawks original uni and celebrate thier 2023 returns
Hell ya, finally
@@tulpfiction9522 Yep and hope it a sign that theyre bringing back the Silver/Blue full time maybe a modernized version
Think if they can find the right silver that they can use the "Angry Hawk" (same Salish design as the classic) with you'll see it
I hope for Seahawk fans they are better now with those jersey’s then how they played when those jerseys originally came out
Their best player was Cortez Kennedy basically between 1990-1995
Still my faves. Had the Rick Mirer and Shawn Springs in this style. Always what I use in any game
Man I can’t wait for football season to come back
I remember that same season the Raiders had a MNF game at Denver, then followed that up with a road game at New Orleans and playing the early slot, but this situation with the Seahawks takes the cake.
On another note in a different sport, I was at the 2010 San Francisco Giants home opener which took place on Friday April 9, 2010 against the Atlanta Braves. That was a 1:35 PM first pitch but the Braves played the night before in Atlanta against the Chicago Cubs that was a 7:10 PM Eastern first pitch. Could you imagine playing that late and then flying cross country and maybe getting in at 2 or 3 am, not getting to your hotel until maybe 4 am then playing an early afternoon game. That game went 13 innings as well. That would come to close to MLBs equivalent to this situation.
When I was growing up in the 90's it seemed like everybody watched MNF. I remember the Farve game the day after he lost his Dad and torched the Raiders it was the topic of discussion the entire next day.
Leading up to the 2006 Broadcast changes, the nfl shifted the focus to Sunday night football. What we loved and knew as "Monday night football" has been Sunday night football since 2006.
ESPN's bastardized version of MNF since 2006 has been a joke. Which is a shame because their version of SNF with Mike Patrick, Theisman, and Paul McGuire was really good.
@@InYourHouse316 MNF was good in the Tirico and Gruden years
@@TimmyTickle Tirico and Gruden did well yes. I enjoyed their work. But the matchups were never the marquee game of the week like it was during the abc years.
That was definitely a lame excuse not to change things. It's some Madden scheduling. I was playing franchise as the Steelers. Had a Monday away against the Dolphins, then an away against the 49ers, then an away against the Bills.
How did you do?
2-1. Won against the Dolphins, overtime win against the 49ers, then a loss to the Bills.
@@steelenigma17 wow nice
Madden is broken. Has been. I've had schedules have 7 home games in 8 weeks and vice versa...
All my rowdy friends are back for Monday night
c'mon now, that seahawks didnt HAVE to travel back to seattle and then to carolina. they could have stayed on somewhere between them for the week. teams do it frequently and it was much more common back then.
My thought exactly!
It's not like the Seahawks didn't know what was coming next. Poor planning on their part.
You know teams practice right
@@awesome123306 sure do. You however don’t seem to know that is not at all uncommon for a team to practice on the road for a week sone times.
The NY giants this year requested and were given AZ and SF in back to back weeks with the intention of not traveling home between games.
Despite what the league did to the Seahawks, Holmgren has to take some blame for how he handled things after that. The team went home, gaining 2 hours, and slept in their own beds for 3 days. And then they traveled to the other side of the country. Why not travel from KC to Charlotte and get them used to the Eastern time zone? Plenty of time to be well rested before facing the Panthers. And just like a random guy figured out how to fix the schedule when the league could not, another random guy figured out how to make a bad situation a bit easier for the Seahawks instead of what Mike Holmgren did.
Well considering that Holmgren was a few weeks away from the Jon Kitna controversy, which you can learn more about by clicking the card in the upper right hand corner, that would explain a few things
I think the 2000 Seahawks were playing at UW's Husky Stadium while their new stadium was being built on the site of the Kingdome. Not sure if that was Cortez' final season.
The new (as of the last couple of weeks) Thumbnail Card is really sharp.
Thanks! Seems to be working
also, the only worse scenario i can think of is them flying to Miami.
Seattle played AT Miami, AT Carolina, AT Jacksonville, and AT Atlanta that season. 4 cross country trips, wild
The NFL was straight-up incompetent in this case. I'm not gonna suggest that the Seahawks would've beaten the Panthers with a better travel situation, but I think they would've had a better shot. Having to fly from Kansas City, Mo. back to Seattle on a short week and to Charlotte and back after that is brutal and I'm not surprised that they played so poorly at the Panthers. I don't care that the game in Charlotte was in the late window. The NFL had no business having the Seahawks play in Charlotte after a Monday night road game, especially on that was 2 time zones east of them.
I have heard of teams not going home if they had a similar situation
A couple of interesting facts about the Seahawks schedule that year.
1. They played in San Diego the week before the KC game. How hard would it have been to switch the Chargers game with the Panthers game?
2. They ended the season with consecutive games at Husky Stadium on Saturday.
They told the league "nah we can't have Monday night games and accommodate you" so they didn't accommodate them.
Any way you can make your videos louder. Great videos by the way. Thanks
Thanks! I’ll look into that
Cardinals used to do this all the time. People forget that when they moved to Arizona in 1988 they were still in the NFC East until 2002. 1989-week 1 at Detroit, week 2 at Seattle, week 3 at NY Giants. Don't recall anyone making a big deal out of it then. Or how about this. 1990-week 1 @ Washington, week 2 @ Philadelphia, week 3 @ New Orleans.
Yeah you're right, but one of their opponents in 1988 did complain, and if I'm not mistaken JG9 did a video about it a couple of years ago.
@@arizonawrestlinginterviews1040Lizzo says, “You know what time it is!”
I remember clear as day the 2005 Patriots vs Raiders matchup cuz it was like a wk after hurricane Katrina and I headed to Tennessee and watched it
After fleeing my house in Metairie, Louisiana which is 15 minutes from N.O.
Cool setup
The ironic thing is that the Seahawks had to travel to the East Coast twice..... to play an NFC West opponent!!. That's how messed up the divisions were back then. And as far as scheduling, the NFL also had the Seahawks and Raiders play each other in the preseason even though they were division opponents. Definitely a head scratcher
I remember when they played in '96, like *what?*
It wasn't even the last week of the preseason either.
@@mgb4692 They did it then too?! That's wild that the NFL would schedule preseason games between 2 division opponents. So apparently, it looks like this happened from time to time. And speaking of 1996, the Buccaneers and Dolphins played each other twice in the preseason. The NFL was some crazy scheduling back then!!
Seahawks did had a primetime game at Husky Stadium the following year on Sunday Night Football beating the Oakland Raiders
He says in the video their agreement said no Monday Night games. There’s was nothing saying they couldn’t play on Sunday Night
@seaversheets7893 True I thought he meant no night game in any night
The league remembers that in 2005. Super Bowl.
Those Husky Stadium games were...they made you miss the Kingdome days.
NCAA basketball sometimes did this with the tournament as well before they went to the pod system they currently use. I remember that in 2000 the regionals were played in Buffalo and the Sweet 16 was played in Syracuse. One of the teams in that regional was Pepperdine in Malibu, CA. They lost to Oklahoma State in the 2nd round and the Cowboys chose to stay in New York for the week before the Sweet 16.
Rn in soccer in the leauges cup leon fc plays tomrw and they slept in the floor in the airport...they played in vancouver then tomrw in LA😂😢
Leagues Cup. Gotta love it
Seattle should have simply packed for two roads games and travelled from Kansas City and then go to Charlotte afterwards and not bothered going back to Seattle mid week. Could have found accommodations where they could have practiced at a local college field. When basketball teams have 5 or 6 game road trips, they aren't flying back home between each game.
the thing is it would throw off the players routine
It happens all the time. Seattle always travels the most
NFL doing Detroit a solid this year and giving them a bye after their MNF game
Hey, have you ever done a video on the "Free Safety Game" when the Seahawks played the Raiders in 2000?
A long time ago, but yes: ua-cam.com/video/JLLDMxlcWkM/v-deo.html
Seattle teams crush frequent flyer miles. Watching baseball and their new hockey team as well they have to visit the east coast several times throughout the season while coming to the west coast for the east is like a vacation for those teams. But that is the beast for west coast teams.
What is the song that JG9 uses in the background of his vids love to know cuz it sounds so good
Thanks! It’s a custom track I made myself
How did you do make the song? Did you use like an object or did it online
If Washington was on the road, then why not switch the games and play on Monday Night Game in Seattle.
So im guessing back then teams did just stay out on that side of the country if they had two road gms that far away? Common sense would've said it makes no sense to travel the KC, then go home, then later travel to CAR that same week
Now they play in england..whilie the epl is at its peak
The amount of ads that have been added in the last 2 weeks have made even a good video obnoxious to watch.
God, just thinking about Dennis Miller in the booth make me nauseous.
Oh, that season was rough. Luckily,i live in Baltimore amd got to watch the Ravens that year
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Other teams have been screwed in the regular season. The Dolphins had a home game followed by a game in Seattle followed the next week by a 1:00 game in New England how is that much better. That is 3000+ miles In back to back weeks on the road. The longest road trip in the league followed by the second longest road trip to New England.
out of all of the games we have weekly MNF is still the biggest.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a better game for the Seahawks against the Panthers in the 2005 NFC Championship Game, which the Seahawks won in spite of a bad move by Mike Holmgren.
I remember when snf came on espn and mnf came on mnf
It stinks that after this defeat, the Hawks lost 5 straight 😢
There are lots of Seattle Seahawks fans who really believe, myself included, that there is a bias against our team. This is another example of why that belief exists.
Every fanbase thinks that lol.
Dude. Seriously. You're 850 miles away from your closest DIVISIONAL opp. Extensive ravel will always be an issue for Seattle. That said, scheduling can help alleviate it a bit
What bias? Except getting screwed in the super bowl against the Steelers but what else
Traveling distances have something to do with the reason they changed the "pairings" of teams in the West Divisions in terms of which opponents were home and which were away according to the league's scheduling rotation.
Starting with the 2002 season, with the new alignment and scheduling format, in each division, the teams were listed 1-4 by their location identifier. Example: AFC East - Buffalo, Miami, New England, New York (Jets). In each division teams 1 & 2 were paired while 3 & 4 were paired. Thus each season Buffalo and Miami got the same home opponents and same away opponents, excluding the two games each wound play against teams within their conference based on previous season standings. Same went for New England and New York Jets.
The issue aroxe with the fact that in the West divisions, the pairs were Denver/Kansas City, Oakland/San Diego, Arizona/St. Louis, and San Francisco/Seattle. This meant that, for one thing, two teams from one division would have two West Coast road games, while the other two didn't have any. And worse, per the rotation, in a few seasons a couple of teams from a division would end up with four West Coast road games while the other two had none. That happened in 2005 with Dallas and the New York Giants both having two play all four Pacific Coast teams away, while Philadelphia and Washington got to face each of them at home. I'm aware of the Cardinals home base being in a state where their time of day is the same as the Pacific Coast 8 months out of the year and the first two months of the NFL season but the point stands.
Then there was 2008 when, per the scheduling rotation, New England and the Jets would have to face those four WC teams away, while Buffalo and Miami got to host those teams. I do remember that the Patriots requested that the league schedule those games in two back-to-back weekends, which was granted. The Jets made no such request and was thus stuck with four separate trips to the WC at different parts of the season. The Patriots went 3-1 in those games while the Jets were 0-4 in those games, not to mention that none of the four WC teams had a winning record in 2008. Another problem is that if that exact rotation had stayed in place in perpetuity, Buffalo and Miami would never be forced to endure that kind of schedule, but the Patriots and Jets would about every 24 years.
In the aftermath, starting with the 2010 season, the "pairings" of the West Division teams switched, as now it was Denver/Oakland, Kansas City/San Diego, Arizona/San Francisco and St. Louis/Seattle. Of course the Rams moved back to LA, still the league has done a few more things to ease the burden of travel.
They've even done this more with east coast teams the last few years, bundle them up out west:
2015: Ravens at 49ers, Cards (MNF)
2020: Patriots at Chargers, Rams (TNF)
2022: Patriots at Cards (MNF), at Raiders
2023: Giants at Cards, 49ers (TNF)
They can't do the same thing for western teams traveling east **to the same degree** but it seems like over the last dozen or so seasons there are more such games in the 4pm window or in primetime than in years past.
It still holds true that good teams find ways to not be completely done in by their traveling schedule. Recall the '89 Rams at the end of their season until the NFC Title game
The Seahawks should have flown directly to Carolina from Kansas city
The Seahawks should have boycotted that game.
Why not just ask Carolina to be able to practice on their field and travel directly to Charlotte after playing in KC? I know the Pats have had back to back road games on the west coast and did this.
Holmgren said he wanted the guys to "sleep in their own beds and not screw up their routine"
The league should have done better.
But it's also worth pointing out the travel distance detail is a bit warped. It's amplified by merit of being the Seahawks. In Seattle. That 6000 is probably closer to 5000 in that regard.
If this was UW bitching, I'd say the fact that the Hawks played the Jets in 2012 some 14-15 hours after the Huskies played Utah on Senior Night (when they played at Lumen in 2011-12 during Husky Stadium renovation) is more than adequate repayment
From 1995-2001, the San Francisco 49ers lead the NFL in miles logged on the road due to the Rams moving from Los Angeles to St. Louis and the expansion Carolina Panthers joining the NFC West Division. That left San Francisco as the only NFC West team that actually played their home games on the west coast, a problem that wasn't rectified until the NFL realigned the divisions to be more geographically friendly to begin the 2002 NFL season. Even though the 49ers logged more travel miles than any NFL team just in their four road division games alone, I never recalled them complaining to the league about it. They toughed it out and made the playoffs five times in that seven-year span. Maybe I'm just biased as a 49er fan, but Mike Holmgren and the Seahawks just come off as whiny crybabies in that situation. They could have easily stayed on the east coast in the week leading up to the Carolina game instead of flying back to Seattle. In recent years the 49ers would always, when they played back-to-back road games in the eastern time zone, choose to stay on the road to avoid the unnecessary travel and they usually played better as a result.
What about when the Cardinals played in the NFC East also lol
9 plus minutes before the controversy is even mentioned......Come on man....
I would say it had to do with Washington using Husky Stadium but the field is still the same
Husky Stadium had switched to FieldTurf that season, so I doubt the integrity of the field would've been an issue. It had to be something else.
On campus stadium during the school year on a day that classes are held might have something to do with it.
@marcus813 Not only that but much like 1994 they didnt put the Seahawks logo & endzone on the field
@MikeyKaos716 True but they couldve had it either on Veteran Day or Winter break
you should make the intro delivery shorter. great video though
Dam Son!
Why couldn't the Seahawks just share a practice facility with any of the Carolina FBS schools? (For context to the other commenters, UNC-Charlotte didn't have football yet, so they wouldn't have had a suitable practice facility.) That's what I would've tried in that situation. You could maybe even get the league to reimburse your lengthy stay because it's their fault for the massive oversight.
maybe because they couldn't
Carolina was 7-9 in 2000
big deal. teams travel to all coasts during the season. more games when cross conference east/west divisions meet. pats had games in l a back to back and just stayed there two weeks. And there were no 4000 miles trips to london for teams back then, some after already traveling to game the week before. and seahawks need to make the return to afc unis permanent.
Would Like to see 2 games a week...!!! With *BYE* weeks being in the center of the season...: . . Who needs a Bye-week in Week 2...Or 17...??!!!
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Week 7....AFC get's Off......Week 9....NFC get's Off...!!!
Back then, Monday night football was THE game. Not Sunday night like it has been since 2006. The Seahawks weren't even relevant enough to be on there if not for Holmgren's arrival. They played 3 Monday night games in the prior 10 full seasons from 1989-1998. Most teams like the niners, cowboys, packers, would play 3 MNF games per season.
So bottom line f*** seattle
why fuck seattle? What did they do to you
Sounds like Panthers had a great defense anyway. 🏈
Eh, not really- they were 27th in the NFL in yards allowed and finished 7-9. They did allow the 12th fewest points that season though.
The Panthers simply showed up to play that day.
You’re talking in circles makes me skip the first 75% of the video to actually get to the part of the video that is what the title of the video is. You have interesting topics, but you make these 16-23 min vids that all should be 4-8 min videos with the relevant info.
My takeaway from this is that Seattle is too far away, and they should just disband the team. 😏
GO CHIEFS
🤣🤣🤣🤣 good one Seattle is the best sports city America if you think they're far away then cry and screw the chiefs
Wah.
Real men do not watch the soy NFL anymore