The 4 Most CONFUSING Metallica Riffs! (and how to MASTER! MASTER! them)

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  • Sorry everyone, had to add one more riff and reupload. The list just didn't seem complete without Dyers Eve. Thanks to whoever mentioned it on IG.
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  • @dom991
    @dom991 4 роки тому +1746

    The off beat sounds normal to me after listening to a ton of metallica

    • @43hi
      @43hi 4 роки тому +80

      Dom Same, didn’t even realized there was some off beat

    • @DustinAlford
      @DustinAlford 4 роки тому +42

      It definitely adds to Metallica's charm.

    • @craig9930
      @craig9930 4 роки тому

      Agreed.

    • @romandoo
      @romandoo 4 роки тому +32

      I know right? Not even Metallica, but thrash in general. Is it not called skank beat or something?

    • @sungerbok
      @sungerbok 4 роки тому +15

      İt's a pretty common thrash/speed/heavy trope

  • @jamar2349
    @jamar2349 4 роки тому +725

    Just sounds a little more aggressive to me on the off beat. It's almost like they knew what they were doing.

    • @danielehartmann2787
      @danielehartmann2787 4 роки тому +87

      Another proov of the genius of lars ulrich, master of songwriting.

    • @prometheustv6558
      @prometheustv6558 4 роки тому +26

      Yeah the standard beat ones sound like the Black Album.

    • @Daily_Bassist
      @Daily_Bassist 4 роки тому +20

      Jason Marquis I think it makes the song sound much faster as well

    • @thereisnopandemic
      @thereisnopandemic 4 роки тому +1

      “Almost” agree with this part

    • @royalcat10
      @royalcat10 4 роки тому +7

      It gives it sort of a "being pushed forward" feel to it. It's basic syncopation. A lot of music like faster Jazz or ragtime use exactly this. You can also do it in reverse, start the line on the up of the final beat of the measure *before* and it will give it sort of a laid back feel.

  • @charliekirby_
    @charliekirby_ 4 роки тому +698

    If Lars learned to count before kill em all then their music would actually be easier. And I’m glad he didn’t learn to count right until black album because all their stuff in the first five albums are really really good and weird I love it

    • @CruciatusVXS
      @CruciatusVXS 4 роки тому +9

      could you elaborate on that? or do you have to be a drummer to get it? :D

    • @antoniocenteno1483
      @antoniocenteno1483 4 роки тому +24

      To be fair he didn't really count on the Black album or in the load and reload albums lol, it was just less sassy on the double bass

    • @MetalliBucket
      @MetalliBucket 4 роки тому +1

      Pls elaborate

    • @Th3Raz96
      @Th3Raz96 4 роки тому +81

      I love the story of how they got with one of their first producers, and he asked Lars "why do you always start on the up-beat?" And Lars said "what's an up-beat?"

    • @johnpaglia8231
      @johnpaglia8231 4 роки тому +9

      Lars can count?

  • @Hermes810
    @Hermes810 4 роки тому +389

    The cool thing about Blackened is that it uses both the on and the off beat. The drums pretty much reverse themselves right after the solos, definately the most challenging bit of the song.

    • @Th3Raz96
      @Th3Raz96 4 роки тому +16

      If I recall correctly, blackened is the one where the drums and guitar become misaligned, and they mess with the timing slowing one down until they reconcile, right? Or is that in AJFA?

    • @mmdoof
      @mmdoof 4 роки тому +8

      Yeah, that post-solo bridge fuck me up really bad

    • @niggasjit
      @niggasjit 4 роки тому +1

      I was gonna write this but, you done did it for me

    • @tvalla
      @tvalla 4 роки тому +1

      @@mmdoof At least in the guitar riff, James change the accent playing the E note on the 7th fret of the A string instead of the low E. The riff itself start to match up at the next compass

    • @fuzzfizz
      @fuzzfizz 4 роки тому

      I always have trouble playing to these grooves. After all the years, I finally figure out how to play the off beat snare pattern better by playing dragonforce's through the fire and flames. Because they accent on the 1 more. Then I started can listen to the off beats.

  • @tomitstube
    @tomitstube 4 роки тому +45

    james is a beast on rhythm guitar. i forget what really good guitarist was showing how he played a song, the interviewer is like, why do you change the picking technic in the middle of the riff, he's like "i do what?" the interviewer shows him what he does, he's like, "idk, i just do it that way."

  • @antoniocenteno1483
    @antoniocenteno1483 4 роки тому +387

    There´s no such thing as "time correctly" when playing Metallica though, There´s so many stuff in Metallica that shouldn´t work, theorically speaking, yet they do, and is awesome Awesome video too.

    • @Carbon2861996
      @Carbon2861996 4 роки тому +20

      Yeah, like the gallop in Orion. That messed with my mind.

    • @jnicorb
      @jnicorb 4 роки тому +17

      @@Carbon2861996 Or the Master of Puppets verse riff

    • @TD-bq5bo
      @TD-bq5bo 4 роки тому +10

      Master of Puppets verse riff comes to mind.

    • @tvalla
      @tvalla 4 роки тому +1

      what else?

    • @thecoderofyoutube
      @thecoderofyoutube 4 роки тому +1

      @@jnicorb 32/31 apparently. Or 31/32.

  • @rilsen
    @rilsen 4 роки тому +32

    1:44 Battery
    4:00 Blackened
    4:55 Dyers eve
    6:03 Fight fire with fire

  • @Fister_of_Muppets
    @Fister_of_Muppets 3 роки тому +44

    I particularly like the way that the "offbeat" snare seems to validate the riff even more. Hearing it in a straight beat sounds odd to me.

  • @hifinphoto
    @hifinphoto Рік тому +9

    This dude keeps giving THE Best, most coherent, most logical, and to-the-point breakdowns and explanations on youtube. AND does so with the most pleasant personality and attitude of any guitar-channel. Perfection.

  • @bigbleach1603
    @bigbleach1603 4 роки тому +177

    As someone who taught themself I didn’t know this confused people

    • @sushio4247
      @sushio4247 4 роки тому +4

      Same

    • @TheWrestlingFamily
      @TheWrestlingFamily 4 роки тому +3

      Word, I was just about to make the same comment.

    • @jeromebraden7364
      @jeromebraden7364 4 роки тому +1

      Same here, and now I wonder if trying to learn it on a new beat would be even MORE confusing for people. But then I mostly play alone so what do I know :P

    • @haggistheman1525
      @haggistheman1525 4 роки тому

      Ditto

    • @madeye3514
      @madeye3514 3 роки тому +4

      i played blackened on normal beat ,and after getting it wrong and doing it on offbeat i realized it's supposed to be offbeat,great stuff

  • @rangamsarmah2061
    @rangamsarmah2061 4 роки тому +164

    Hehe the reupload was worth it. Dyers eve, on my first listen years ago, the intro, made me question my entire sense of rhythm. Oh and that part in blackened after the solo, and the harmony in fight fire with fire. Like what were they on.

    • @loco_nr1622
      @loco_nr1622 4 роки тому +53

      Were the notes in between fucking with you?

    • @AlphawolfT
      @AlphawolfT 4 роки тому +5

      @@loco_nr1622 is that right? 😂

    • @phantomlord5707
      @phantomlord5707 4 роки тому +2

      TheThingThatShouldNotBe 😂😂😂

    • @OrganicActing
      @OrganicActing 4 роки тому +7

      Yeah, the Blackened bit after the solo. Does that return to the 'ON' beat...?

    • @seldonsinq
      @seldonsinq 4 роки тому

      Jimmy I know. It’s like the record of CD skipped.

  • @BIGxBOSSxx1
    @BIGxBOSSxx1 4 роки тому +239

    The “offbeat” is just any basic thrash/punk beat, its pretty normal.

    • @abdul4515
      @abdul4515 4 роки тому +13

      @Phillip hanna That's not actually true. In a d-beat the kick drum is played twice before the snare hits. To you get two 16th note hits on the kick drum and one 8th note hit on the snare. You can hear this on ANY discharge/ d-beat song song.
      The normal thrash beat leaves out one of the kick hits. So, you get one 8th note for the kick and one 8th note for the snare. You can hear this on EVERY thrash metal album ever released.

  • @zadoruphin7794
    @zadoruphin7794 4 роки тому +387

    What you call off-beat I call Lars being Lars.

    • @Babis_music
      @Babis_music 4 роки тому +14

      Finally, somebody said it.

    • @band77one
      @band77one 4 роки тому +5

      lars-isms

    • @yeetfeet1878
      @yeetfeet1878 3 роки тому +3

      Lars has said in interviews that back then he was upsessed with making weird and complicated drumming and time signatures. As a drummer myself trying to learn Metallica songs off of RTL MOP or AJFA can be hard because you have to learn the changes and weird cymbal hits. An example of this would be
      Ride the lightning
      Fight fire with fire( I can play)
      The call of ktulu
      Trapped under ice
      Battery(I can play)
      Disposable hero’s
      Welcome home (sanitarium)(I can meh play but I kind of change lars stuff out for mine not the whole song though)
      Damage inc( I can play)
      Blackened (I can play)
      And justice for all(I can play)
      Frayed ends of sanity
      To live is to die

    • @janitor6669
      @janitor6669 3 роки тому +1

      @@yeetfeet1878 A few examples :D Honestly, as a drummer myself, sometimes I feel I'd need an Enigma machine to encode those bass drum patterns.

  • @Gremlack13
    @Gremlack13 4 роки тому +50

    The offbeat gives it more of a sound of chaos and dirty thrashiness that makes it more aggressive. The guitar riffs don’t feel as powerful and punchy with the standard beat which takes away from them. The offbeat also makes it where the drums are filling voids and acting more like a complimentary lead instrument sound, more than just keeping rhythm and timing in the background.

  • @ratsalad178
    @ratsalad178 4 роки тому +79

    4:32 they play this standard beat version of the blackened riff in the song itself (around 5:41 in the song), it's what made me realize that blackened was entirely on the off beat otherwise. great video!
    edit: haha ok i just realized you talk about this yourself when you get to fight fire with fire 😅

    • @serbio26
      @serbio26 4 роки тому +1

      Battery verse riff and after the chorus riff are also different tempo

    • @retsamcm
      @retsamcm 4 роки тому

      Holy fuck, so that's what's going on there! I've been listening to that song for twenty years and couldn't quite figure out what was going on.

    • @jutjub22
      @jutjub22 4 роки тому

      Exactly, just wanted to say that. I really like that switch in the song, off and on beat part. Never thought about it, I just played along them and heard something is little bit different at 5:41, strange how it changes the feel of the riff.

    • @H.E.M.
      @H.E.M. 4 роки тому +1

      lol I love that part after the solo. It always fucks me up.

    • @LRM12o8
      @LRM12o8 3 роки тому

      He made a whole video on that, if I'm not mistaken

  • @Sigmachadofficial
    @Sigmachadofficial 4 роки тому +83

    I guess never learning to count properly helped me out here I was always able to just hear the riff and kind of sink in with the drums without too much trouble

    • @hardcoreteampoland6012
      @hardcoreteampoland6012 4 роки тому +9

      Same here, for me it was so natural to just take a riff and just feel it's tempo with a drums

    • @TD-bq5bo
      @TD-bq5bo 4 роки тому +11

      I agree. I think anyone who had formal music lessons might have a little trouble with it. I learned these riffs before I had any formal lessons and never had any issues.

    • @markrogers7304
      @markrogers7304 4 роки тому +3

      Same here, i cant count all really. I just get in the groove with the drums. Been playing since 1990 and still own and play the crap out of my 1990 mij ibanez rg550 i got then.

    • @Sigmachadofficial
      @Sigmachadofficial 4 роки тому +14

      @@TD-bq5bo lars and cliff were both well known for playing in weird timings to the point they confused the studio workers while recording. knowing the song well enough before you start playing also helps. I was listening to songs like blackened and master of puppets for years before I picked up the guitar so when it was time to play I already had the whole thing figured out... minus the ludicrous down picking speed

  • @joedibble4199
    @joedibble4199 4 роки тому +79

    As a percussionist I hear it so differently than a guitarist. The snare is “answering” the guitar not driving the beat. Its more like a fill I guess you’d say.

    • @GreatOne0815
      @GreatOne0815 4 роки тому +11

      Yeah, James actually makes the beat in Metallica and Lars is playing along.

    • @laelmilum6433
      @laelmilum6433 4 роки тому +7

      @@GreatOne0815 yes me and my dad had this discussion the other day. It really seems like the rhythm section of Metallica is James Hetfield and whichever bassist they have that would embellish on James' pocket. Then you have Kirk and Lars playing solos and leads through out the songs.

    • @siliconterbulance
      @siliconterbulance 3 роки тому

      So true, I feel the off beat snare makes is so much more easier to play than standard. Standard beat requires the guitar to stay off while the drums are not.

  • @derryXDINES
    @derryXDINES 4 роки тому +10

    My favorite part of Blackened is the first bar post solo where they switch the main riff to the on beat and then switch back.
    Great video!

  • @Xplora213
    @Xplora213 3 роки тому +6

    Good lesson to really demonstrate how James and Lars managed to create their Metallica sound, together. It’s really obvious that James and Lars are focusing on Their accents and James’ super fast right hand meant that unlike every other band, they got a down picked accent to finish the riff very often. Lombardo is the same era but was different. Danny Carey would do a similar thing with a completely different band as well. But I also didn’t learn to count as a drummer, I just kept time. This lesson really shows you why it works best this way.

  • @TRX_music5
    @TRX_music5 4 роки тому +84

    Battery and blackened are definitely on there(didnt watch yet)

    • @lambsauce9404
      @lambsauce9404 4 роки тому +2

      Tarek TRX Blackened haunts my dreams

    • @keganhoelzer5515
      @keganhoelzer5515 4 роки тому +3

      al’ Diabalos Blackened is the end

    • @kjl3080
      @kjl3080 3 роки тому

      7/8 off beats oh god

  • @ubuedro
    @ubuedro 4 роки тому +119

    John Cusak really likes metallica

  • @Cell4TR
    @Cell4TR 4 роки тому +20

    That blackened off-thempo thing really messes with my brain

    • @seldonsinq
      @seldonsinq 4 роки тому

      Nyctophile I’m still not hearing it correctly

  • @SatyamKumar-jq6iz
    @SatyamKumar-jq6iz 4 роки тому

    Your lessons have always got better with time. Thanks a ton!

  • @metmike21
    @metmike21 4 роки тому

    Nice Mike. Perfect to watch during little break from work. Keep up with this videos. Love your channel.

  • @jera2150
    @jera2150 4 роки тому +6

    They actually play off of that. Like after the solo in Blackened, the snare comes in on the down beat for the riff, then it slides back over and it’s a glorious moment.

  • @Astrocreep696
    @Astrocreep696 4 роки тому +41

    I freaking hate trying to learn Orion, the real and proper way that isnt taught online or on tabs, it's not fast or off beat or anything it's just weird to count and nobody plays it right

    • @deanlockhart2800
      @deanlockhart2800 4 роки тому +4

      I've noticed this too, people doing covers and lessons on youtube aren't getting it right.
      It's honestly super clear on the recording and you would be better off just trying to learn it by ear. When I was learning it years ago I found just tapping it out with my hands made it much easier to grasp. ie right hand for down picks and left hand for up picks. I also learnt a lot of other tricky stuff like Bleed this way.

  • @Devypocalypse
    @Devypocalypse 4 роки тому +9

    The whole rhythm section part behind the solo from 'The Frayed Ends of Sanity' is madness, Hetfield is king.

  • @Kurmudgeon
    @Kurmudgeon 4 роки тому

    nice video man!! I watch all your videos and they are really interesting. thank you!

  • @jayyoutube8790
    @jayyoutube8790 3 роки тому

    Love the channel and content is great. Been playing for 20+yrs myself and enjoy learning. Thank you... subbed 🤘🏻🎸🎼

  • @devinaschenbrenner2683
    @devinaschenbrenner2683 4 роки тому +70

    "What I call the off beat." I mean thats what its actually called. And they are reallu fun to mess around with as a drunmer.

    • @tofuleg
      @tofuleg 4 роки тому +3

      Devin Aschenbrenner I’ve found “upbeat” to be equally as popular. Also the “and”. But “off beat” is prob the most common. People that are self taught vs people that went through a school system also use different words to often mean the same thing. I dunno, I think it’s interesting. I’m a drummer too. Go drums!

    • @SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14
      @SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14 4 роки тому

      It's not though, it's just the first beat played double time

  • @josephbuscarino8264
    @josephbuscarino8264 4 роки тому

    Cool video man! Nice lesson and I appreciate your Donny Darko guitar 🤘

  • @doublebguitarplayer9434
    @doublebguitarplayer9434 4 роки тому +7

    James is the greatest metal rhythm player period lol. He’s a machine. Thanks for this great video. Makes sense when u break it down. Keep it up please. I’d love to hear you break down king diamond. Pete and Andy are amazing players with great tunes.

  • @MetalMike87
    @MetalMike87 4 роки тому +46

    "Tu-Pa Tu-Pa" world isn't for everyone :)

  • @freddyferrillo9704
    @freddyferrillo9704 3 роки тому

    Mike you're the best and most relatable teacher. But I'll just speak for myself.
    Thanks for all your informative vids. Everyone of them 4seems to always teach me something.
    Anyway; once again, thanks Mike@ Art of Guitar. You got the most beautiful guitars, equipment and Studio/Practice space. So I know you'll keep up the fabulous informative & relatable video's.
    That blk & wht Gibson Flying V you got is golden. Pure gold in my eyes! And the white custom shop USA Jackson too! Oh man! I wouldnt take 5 Ibanez's for for that V and that Jackson. You deserve it brother.
    Peace.

  • @JT_Grogan
    @JT_Grogan 3 роки тому

    Just the explanation of the "and" beat honestly helped me so much already

  • @WorkFromYourLaptop
    @WorkFromYourLaptop 4 роки тому

    Great explanations and conversational way to teach. Nice!

  • @IchEsseKonsolen
    @IchEsseKonsolen 3 роки тому +3

    Metallica is so engrained in my ears that Fight Fire with Fire and Battery sound really funky with a standard beat haha
    Thanks so much for this though man! Blackened blew my mind! I always thought it kinda had parts that were off and parts that were on the down beat when it turns out the riff kinda alternates as one big section!

  • @archstanton71
    @archstanton71 3 роки тому +4

    The offbeat gives it a faster more frantic sound which probably easier for James and gives them that signature sound.

  • @rospy7
    @rospy7 4 роки тому +1

    Fantastic analysis, bravo. They are also doing something similar in Damage Inc main riff. Quite impressive for a bunch of 20 year olds in early 80s

  • @shanealan2995
    @shanealan2995 4 роки тому

    I've always had a hard time with the "gallop" part in Orion. Great video!

  • @GeniusCenaa
    @GeniusCenaa 4 роки тому +14

    Laughs in “frayed end of sanity”.

  • @jamesm6570
    @jamesm6570 4 роки тому +3

    😂😂😂 I needed this 30 years ago! Better late than never. Cheers Mike it now makes sense 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @anttucc9646
    @anttucc9646 4 роки тому +1

    Interesting that you point this out. When I was a kid and these songs were new to me, there was always something that bugged me about the timing. It was especially obvious to me on Dyers Eve.

  • @NicholsonStudios
    @NicholsonStudios 4 роки тому

    Great video! My brain still listens to some of these songs with the snare on the downbeat and it changes how you perceive the song which is trippy. Happens with Enter sandman intro oddly enough. If you start the song with one mindset or the other you can hear the other riff (depending on where you brain is placing the beat). Also: What are you using in your signal chain, the Tone is godly!

  • @magnumhoff
    @magnumhoff 4 роки тому

    Man, this video is so good!

  • @AdamJWM
    @AdamJWM 2 роки тому +1

    It makes more sense to me the second way for some reason. I am absolutely amazed by how bands stay in time. Genius stuff.

  • @LDiLollo35
    @LDiLollo35 4 роки тому +12

    The first slow riff of battery sounded like the riff being played over symphony of destruction.

  • @joebahkokamo
    @joebahkokamo 3 роки тому

    Very cool. I like how you explained this.

  • @dielegende9141
    @dielegende9141 3 роки тому +1

    It's quite amazing how different this makes the drums sound. With the guitars on beat, it basically sounds like your basic pop beat on 2 and 4 that's just kind of there because... reasons, whereas these very same beats drive the song forwards with the guitars off beat

  • @EyanwithanE
    @EyanwithanE 4 роки тому

    being in band has helped me a lot with learning these kind of riffs. marches help a lot because the have the steady beat where the snare and bass alternate

  • @sn00k24
    @sn00k24 3 роки тому +1

    I never knew battery and fight fire were like that at all.... I thought the snare was the down beat and they would just throw in or take out extra beats randomly. That's gonna be really hard to try to train myself otherwise. Incredible video

  • @DBSG1976
    @DBSG1976 4 роки тому

    I love that you play a Jackson SL1 Soloist...thanks for the lesson!

  • @gabriellarrubia1006
    @gabriellarrubia1006 4 роки тому

    This is a great video. Blackened has always been the most confusing for me... As far as Fight Fire with Fire goes, I'm okay with this verse here but it's actually the part right before the chorus that always baffles me...

  • @sbiegs3885
    @sbiegs3885 4 роки тому +1

    Your ability to play in these different counts is very impressive. Super discipline, engage.

  • @gianz73
    @gianz73 4 роки тому

    Very clear and useful video. Glad to see someone explaining stuff well, concisely and doesn't try to make you feel a zero by saying "why you suck". New subscriber deserved!

    • @TheArtofGuitar
      @TheArtofGuitar  4 роки тому

      Thanks for the kind words. If you’re referring to Ben Ellet I don’t think he means it literally. Just a catchy title. :)

    • @gianz73
      @gianz73 4 роки тому

      @@TheArtofGuitar Not specifically to him, though I frankly don't like that approach. Way better "how to improve [...]" or "useful exercise for [...]". There're too many people around pushing their sales with that kind of anxiety-inducing wording. C'mon guys, we should play for pleasure and learn out of curiosity, without the "not good enough" mantra stamped into our ears and lobes all the time. There's already enough stress in life!
      THANKS again for your excellent videos!

  • @sydhamelin1265
    @sydhamelin1265 2 роки тому

    The Who would do some of this, accents on the upbeats that make you feel like it's on the downbeat. It's a great rhythmic tactic for bands that can pull it off.
    I have my issues with later years Lars, but his prime day was filled with a lot of really creative drumming. He was never the full blown technician that some of his contemporaries were, but he still wrote some really interesting stuff.
    I love the vids where you dig into these speed metal riffs. BTW, you sound pretty darn great playing some of the toughest riffs in metal, well done!

  • @BL-cc1vm
    @BL-cc1vm 4 роки тому +1

    What didnt help a lot of players was they thought the Cherry Lane tab books were right back in the day so we learned the riffs wrong and now I'm almost 40 trying to get them right. Man they were good at that off beat stuff! This video helped me alot thanks bro!

  • @Th3Raz96
    @Th3Raz96 4 роки тому

    I was really hoping the bit from Frayed Ends Of Sanity would be in here, the part right after that SICK ass drum fill, I can't for the life of me get a grip on that riffage and it kills me cuz that bit is probably my favorite part of the whole album

  • @el_huguito
    @el_huguito 4 роки тому +33

    The shortest straw intro

    • @janugur2241
      @janugur2241 4 роки тому +6

      I feel like there is no rhythm to that lol

    • @ratsalad178
      @ratsalad178 4 роки тому +2

      @@janugur2241 right? i've listened to justice since i was 14 and i still can't figure out how to count to that intro

    • @ratsalad178
      @ratsalad178 4 роки тому +1

      @@janugur2241 ok so i got curious and went and looked it up, this is pretty accurate if you can read sheet music - www.onlinedrummer.com/drum-beats/the-shortest-straw-metallica-intro/
      the intro starts on the last count of a bar (the pick-up note), which i didn't realize, but what was REALLY throwing me off were the rests. after the first da-dun-dun (for lack of a better way to articulate it), instead of three counts before the next da-dun-dun, you have two counts and a dotted quaver (which is basically an eighth note + a sixteenth note). kind of hard to count so i imagine i'd just count three quarter note rests but start the next da-dun-dun just a touch before the last quarter note ends. sorry if that doesn't make sense, i'm not very eloquent when it comes to explaining music, but i hope it helped

    • @no_one563
      @no_one563 4 роки тому +1

      There is like no rhythm but it is possible, I learned it. The part where they don’t play it is three beats then they kick in. So it is not to hard.

    • @metaldude
      @metaldude 4 роки тому +1

      I made a video about just that on my channel :)

  • @danielgorbe9892
    @danielgorbe9892 4 роки тому +1

    I've always heard Fight Fire with Fire wrong, always heard the snare as 1 2 3 4 when it's really the "and"s. And I still have to concentrate real hard to hear it right. Also, the vocals on that riff are so confusing when it comes to hearing it right. Great video btw.

  • @jonathanangeles1881
    @jonathanangeles1881 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you very much for this video, I seriously had trouble playing these riffs because I did not understand them as easily as you explain! Greetings from Peru

  • @empirelight5477
    @empirelight5477 4 роки тому

    Great insight! The off beat somehow sounds and feels faster and more aggressive.

  • @thelastscarecrow6701
    @thelastscarecrow6701 4 роки тому +1

    I’ve never had an issue with the offbeat throwing me. But it is cool hearing the drums played two different ways back to back. The offbeat definitely makes it sound faster than it is.

  • @alexmorrell3862
    @alexmorrell3862 4 роки тому +1

    Love this! I knew Battery would be in here

  • @onigiri5460
    @onigiri5460 4 роки тому

    Dude, I love your guitar. I'm hoping that that's the rabbit ghost dude from Donny Darko, but if not it's still wicked.

  • @blowme9001
    @blowme9001 4 роки тому

    Hi Mike! You give us loads of good tips, but now I have one to share with you... On Dyer's Eve, James is actually actually alternating between holding B with Index finger and bouncing on C with middle finger on the A string in the upstrokes of the 16th notes on that speed riff. I'm a huge Hetfield fan, and you showed what I was doing wrong on MoP on another video. Keep it up! We appreciate these tutorials

    • @TheArtofGuitar
      @TheArtofGuitar  4 роки тому

      There's a huge debate about that. The official TAB book agrees with you but many have told me the opposite, that it's just the way he's palm muting that makes it seem like it's the 232323 way. I'll do some more digging. Thanks.

    • @TheArtofGuitar
      @TheArtofGuitar  4 роки тому

      Watch their hands on this video, looks like straight 2222222's to me. ua-cam.com/video/WUD61SWwxvc/v-deo.html Let me know what you think.

    • @blowme9001
      @blowme9001 4 роки тому

      Ah, I see what you're saying. You get a glimpse around 3:18 of Mexico video, and he's clamped down pretty good with no movement of the middle finger. That alternating 232323 is really hard to get it to sound tight, for sure. I like playing it that way too because it helps me stay "ramped up" and focused on staying tight with the rest of the riff. Plus it really does sound like the notes on album to me. And, yeah, I have the books, lol. Hey, thanks for reaching back out so quickly. I see your vids all the time in my Google feed. I'm about to subscribe here and make it official! 🤘

  • @alterego6830
    @alterego6830 4 роки тому

    You can't imagine how happy I am to finally know that I'm not the only one having difficulties with the off beat - not only related to metallica stuff but to all kinds of thresh, black metal, punk etc that include that drum pattern. Had a hard time to learn, and more important, to feel it - espacially since I play in a post hardcore band and we nowadays use that beat very often.
    I always thought that I am alone with this "disability" XD

  • @christianlockhart4452
    @christianlockhart4452 4 роки тому

    Thanks, this video was very helpful

  • @arunmohan9424
    @arunmohan9424 4 роки тому

    Great video! 👍🏽 I've had this same issue figuring out the timing on these exact same Metallica songs for ages now... Also in the case of Damage Inc.
    And it's all because of the snare and kicks... Upbeat or downbeat??? Can never tell!...

  • @szymonk7621
    @szymonk7621 4 роки тому

    great sound you have . Speaking about off beat...........I learned this 20 years ago from my drummer , he just explained me that I should play with kick drum rather than snare

  • @viniciusleaoa
    @viniciusleaoa 4 роки тому +3

    Some Sepultura's stuff from back in the day, like Arise and Beneath the Remains, always gets my...I can sometimes hear it correctly but my ears keep it pulling it back to the wrong tempo

  • @TiagoHillesheim
    @TiagoHillesheim 3 роки тому

    When I saw "fight fire with fire", thought you would do the next riff (after this initial riff) ... its so tricky

  • @MikeVestering
    @MikeVestering 4 роки тому

    Please do this video for Pantera as well!! Songs like Rise and 5 minutes alone have some crazy (but awesome) riffs that are pretty confusing. I really liked this video thanks!! 🤟

    • @TheArtofGuitar
      @TheArtofGuitar  4 роки тому +1

      I talk about it in my Vinnie Paul drum video I think.

  • @ericwiese7479
    @ericwiese7479 4 роки тому

    Dude! Nice work

  • @ozi76
    @ozi76 4 роки тому +4

    The Dyers Eve riff sounded pretty cool on the slow standard beat.

  • @thehunter7422
    @thehunter7422 Рік тому

    Fooling around with jamming along on the drums for the first few times on blackened really was a mind f### lol. That part after the solo is something else . Was like "something's not right here" when playing along with it lol

  • @Snavels
    @Snavels 2 роки тому

    0:40 Being a jazz musician for quite sometime (Double/Electric Bassist) I actually see this as the norm. It's called a back beat, and in jazz the hihat typically does it through (highlighting 2+4) but if it's heavy swing and it's in say, the shout section, then snare also accompanies it. Sing Sing Sing, recorded by Benny Goodman's Jazz Orchestra can highlight this snare backbeat, but its definitely not the only one.

    • @guguigugu
      @guguigugu 2 роки тому

      backbeat is also comon in techno, where you got the the typical kick-hat-kick-hat beat

  • @ilkinshafiyev2314
    @ilkinshafiyev2314 4 роки тому

    Great explanation. You really catched the beat)

  • @wolfnews1788
    @wolfnews1788 4 роки тому +5

    The standard beat versions sounf like they could be Megadeth riffs idk why

  • @hulse.y
    @hulse.y 4 роки тому

    You can listen to the shortest straw riff two different ways. The beginning is E, F, E and it can be spaced evenly or have the F closer to the first E. So for years I listened to it with no extra pause, then I heard it live and noticed there was a pause on the F. So now I can change between the two timings of that riff when I listen to the song now... hope that makes sense
    So like the way I hear the riff is: E, F, E *pause* E, F, E *pause* E, F, E, G etc.
    But the way they play it live is: EF, E *pause* etc etc.

  • @angelschnider3312
    @angelschnider3312 4 роки тому

    Cheers Máster, how are you? I love Metallica for Life. Much love from MX.

  • @zachmerrill840
    @zachmerrill840 4 роки тому +1

    When I was in high school my friend Mike had the hardest time with the Verse riff of master of puppets. He kept adding parts and playing it longer than it supposed to be

  • @MKDumas1981
    @MKDumas1981 4 роки тому

    Mike, what you're describing is referred to as "double time". That is, the beat is going twice as fast as its BPMs. "Dyer's Eve", however, is _actually_ at 204 bpm, and "Fight Fire With Fire" is actually at 240 bpm.
    "Blackened" (also actually at 180 bpm), when coming out of the solo, starts on the high E (5th string, 7th fret), instead of the E pedal (sixth string open), because Lars threw in an extra snare/tom hit, and is in half time (the drumbeat goes half as fast as the BPMs indicate).

  • @stevenbrown9889
    @stevenbrown9889 4 роки тому +1

    The thing with a lot of James' "offbeat" riffs, is that the hooks of the riff still actually resolve on the snare A LOT. 3/4 of these examples did, Dyers Eve is so hard because it doesnt. Hit the Lights' main riff is another example.

  • @boots_33
    @boots_33 3 роки тому

    I recently discovered that in the Battery riff, the part at 3:04 isn't a 6th fret on the A string, but it's actually a 5th fret along with the 4th fret on the D string.

  • @tbone5757
    @tbone5757 4 роки тому +1

    I don't think it's off-beat as much as it's just a double-time beat. Also, I'm pretty sure during the Dyers Eve chugging part they're going back and forth between the second fret and third frets kinda like this:
    5\4. 4
    32323232 3\2 0 2

  • @johnholms2055
    @johnholms2055 11 місяців тому

    Awesome Teacher...Finally some real Help

  • @MrBryanGatwood
    @MrBryanGatwood 4 роки тому +4

    Damn Battery really throws me off with the 'standard' beat. So used to playing it with normal beat for the song regardless of tempo.

  • @metalslinger
    @metalslinger 4 роки тому

    A little trick I use is to tap my head or foot on the off beat as well, treat the standard 4/4 as if its two 4/4s played in double time.

  • @joannjeanette8171
    @joannjeanette8171 4 роки тому

    On dyers eve you gotta go between fret 2 and 3 on the 5th string while palm muting the b shape just keep index finger planted and use middle.finger to go 2-3-2-3 etc

  • @StudioMargalima
    @StudioMargalima 3 роки тому

    The Blackened riff in the Slow tempo standard beat is what Tallica plays in the very 2 second verses of the bridge between the solo and the last verses.

  • @landhomer4627
    @landhomer4627 4 роки тому +16

    It's hard because of Lars's tempo

  • @spookybuna
    @spookybuna 3 роки тому

    Love your videos! About Dyers Eve: Within a few years of the Justice release, I read that they avoided that song live because of its difficulty. Even as you played it, I understand that! Somewhere along the line, I heard from some long forgotten source that the muted 16th notes actually trill between frets 2 and 3, instead of staying on 2, as you play it. And since then, I always THOUGHT, I heard it that way. I figured that was why they avoided that song live. Am I crazy?
    On another note, I heard Somewhere recently, on a podcast or something, that Fleming Rasmussen said in an interview that Master was recorded at a slow speed, to make it tight, then sped up. Has anyone else heard about this? I don't know if he was referring to the song alone or the whole album. But to think it's true breaks my heart.

    • @gogigogic1936
      @gogigogic1936 2 роки тому

      The last part about Master - not true.

    • @pegasus8727
      @pegasus8727 2 роки тому

      Even if it was true, so what, they can play it live. It's not cheating, it's simplifying.

  • @ariktsky4256
    @ariktsky4256 Рік тому

    Thank you for battery. Finally learned it!

  • @kennycaligula3081
    @kennycaligula3081 3 роки тому

    I love this stuff!!

  • @connervettrus6955
    @connervettrus6955 4 роки тому +1

    It would be great if you'd make a video on how you record guitar!

  • @sinistrodellamorte
    @sinistrodellamorte 4 роки тому

    In my personal experience, I listen to a lot of Hardcore Punk, Thrash and Death Metal, so to me it feels like there's nothing really wrong there. Great video!

  • @CrossHeadd
    @CrossHeadd 4 роки тому

    Great Training, someone Metallica Song are very hard to play. I think the 16/1 notes on dyers eve are changing between B and C on each Single Note like: A|- 2-3-2-3-2-3-2-3-3\2--0--2. Even more difficult, trank you James :-). Great Video

    • @TheArtofGuitar
      @TheArtofGuitar  4 роки тому

      It’s debatable. I’ve done it both ways and I think it’s really 222222 now.

  • @dougsmith8107
    @dougsmith8107 3 роки тому

    holy crap, if only we had this in the 80s!!!!! Thanks so much.

  • @piepmatz3418
    @piepmatz3418 4 роки тому +1

    I spent my youth listening to NoFX
    so the offbeat snare makes totally sense to my ears. ;)