Does this "Dirty Trick" Actually Work in a Sword Fight?

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  • Is it even really a dirty trick, or was it just part of a "whatever it takes" mentality back in history? If you had to defend your life on medieval streets or a battlefield, would it really matter whether throwing your secondary short sword or dagger in the opponent's face is "dishonorable", as long as you win?
    And would it even be effective? Let's take a look at an example from Japanese Kenjutsu, as well as a few European manuscripts that show this kind of "cheap" tactic.
    Detailed video about how practical throwing the (main) sword is:
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    Historical sources:
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    Dual wielding clubs and throwing one of them against a spear (Fiore de'i Liberi):
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    About the effectiveness of throwing stars:
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  • @Skallagrim
    @Skallagrim  Місяць тому +77

    Damnit, I just realized I forgot to include Talhoffer's hat throw... would have fit nicely. Well, here you go: wiktenauer.com/wiki/Hans_Talhoffer#/media/File:MS_Thott.290.2%C2%BA_077r.jpg

    • @Damienx247
      @Damienx247 Місяць тому +7

      Wasn't there also a technique involving trying to hurl one's cloak over their opponent's head?

    • @charliedavis3931
      @charliedavis3931 Місяць тому +5

      Good to know that my self defense/knife fighting class was also based in HEMA, lol.

    • @TrueFork
      @TrueFork Місяць тому +5

      Japanese sword master whatshisname reportedly said if he had a bad feeling about an opponent he'd throw his sword at him and run away. So I guess throwing the main weapon makes sense if you plan to run away anyway.

    • @Watari_toppa
      @Watari_toppa Місяць тому

      @@TrueFork Yagyuu Munenori's book of swordsmanship Gyokuseishu, describes techniques for throwing katana, wakizashi, and polearms, and there is a record that the 16th-century ninja Jirobo could throw katana far, but were katanas actually thrown?

    • @Watari_toppa
      @Watari_toppa Місяць тому

      The old ninja book Gunpou Kanrin Seiyou describes techniques for throwing clothes at the opponent's face. Yagyu Jubei's book of swordsmanship Tsukinosho, describes a technique of throwing paper handkerchief at an opponent.
      Smythe recommended throwing a pike before engaging in combat with a sword in pike square, and there are many spear throwing scenes in Japanese war chronicles.

  • @moreparrotsmoredereks2275
    @moreparrotsmoredereks2275 Місяць тому +637

    Don't forget your Pocket Sand

  • @markkodryk829
    @markkodryk829 Місяць тому +269

    If you toss your sword it will end the fight. The result may vary.

    • @StarshadowMelody
      @StarshadowMelody Місяць тому +19

      *vary

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 Місяць тому +12

      "Only Porthos could invent a new way to disarm himself." - Aramis, Three Musketeers (1973)

    • @henriquetamashiro2762
      @henriquetamashiro2762 28 днів тому +1

      you are probably vert angry with the adversary

  • @jaega4247
    @jaega4247 Місяць тому +543

    We all know where this is going. Why throw your entire sword, when you can end them rightly with just the pommel?

    • @Anino_Makata
      @Anino_Makata Місяць тому +22

      Because one Big Bang is enough.

    • @timonar6556
      @timonar6556 Місяць тому +38

      Oh shit... For some absolutely random reason your comment awoken the wildest idea I ever had. Just imagine... A sword with.. Two. Pommels. What a terrifying weapon of mass destruction would we create?? What if we make three?

    • @monkegaming6416
      @monkegaming6416 Місяць тому +31

      @@timonar6556 you're gonna lose your shit when you figure out about hammers

    • @jaega4247
      @jaega4247 Місяць тому +11

      @@timonar6556 Ah yeah... I'd imagine it like a bollock dagger with a pommel and detachable guards. Quite a monstrosity, and totally overpowered in a fair duel!

    • @TheAgent056
      @TheAgent056 Місяць тому +14

      We really need to revive this meme again.

  • @Groddon
    @Groddon Місяць тому +363

    Crying wojack: "it's dishonorable!"
    Based german fencing book miniaturist : "end them rightly!"

    • @user-jv7se6ft9t
      @user-jv7se6ft9t Місяць тому +28

      - "You fought without honour!"
      - "Yes. But he did"

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ Місяць тому +20

      It's baffling because they're confusing honor *duels* with battlefield honor. Which has more to do with obedience to your superiors, not running away unless a retreat is called, courage, and victory. With maybe "don't do heinous, cruel things, just kill or capture the enemy."

    • @frankharr9466
      @frankharr9466 Місяць тому +2

      @@DanielMWJ
      It's not baffling. I agree it's a mistake, but it's a distinction that can be very easy to forget if you're talking to a child or someone who doesn't have the background. It's an understandable confusion.

  • @Andrew-zq3ip
    @Andrew-zq3ip Місяць тому +190

    "If you're looking for a fair fight, you're doing it wrong."
    -Sun Tzu

    • @KingOpenReview
      @KingOpenReview Місяць тому +17

      He pretty much actually said that, though.

    • @MalloonTarka
      @MalloonTarka Місяць тому +2

      ...yeah, more or less.

    • @nahuelmat
      @nahuelmat Місяць тому +5

      I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than we do, pals.

    • @Serahpin
      @Serahpin Місяць тому +7

      Anyone who's actually _read_ The Art of War knows that it's a book on how to fight as cowardly as possible, not as good as possible. Which makes perfect sense in context.

    • @h0m3st4r
      @h0m3st4r Місяць тому +12

      @@Serahpin "All warfare is based on deception."

  • @Efreeti
    @Efreeti Місяць тому +46

    "Don't get swords thrown at your face"
    You know Skall, I wasn't planning on it, but it's nice that you told me anyway.

    • @jocosesonata
      @jocosesonata Місяць тому

      There goes my weekend plans.
      Damnit, Skall!

  • @Zbigniew_Nowak
    @Zbigniew_Nowak Місяць тому +147

    There was a similar trick in a training film for British soldiers in World War II. If by some miracle the enemy catches you without a weapon, show him some documents and say something to him... And then throw these documents in his face, he cannot aim his rifle at this moment, so you will shorten the distance to melee combat.

    • @3st3st77
      @3st3st77 Місяць тому +44

      Using the enemy's need for properly filled-out paperwork against them? How devious!
      No but seriously, I can see no realistic way for this situation to happen without faking a surrender, which is a war-crime and as such considered to be rather dirty indeed.

    • @CursedLink666
      @CursedLink666 Місяць тому +18

      I can see that working on somebody.
      Their first thought on seeing you is to take you out, but all of a sudden you're showing them papers and pleading with them. They might think they've captured a prisoner with important documents and become less hostile.
      Then you throw the documents in their face and run to the nearest weapon/comrade. It's gonna confuse them for a second or two.

    • @MusMasi
      @MusMasi Місяць тому +2

      ah throwing the Book/Papers at them.

    • @MusMasi
      @MusMasi Місяць тому +1

      hopefully they have not fixed bayonets

    • @Serahpin
      @Serahpin Місяць тому +2

      @@3st3st77 Yes. The allies weren't the good guys. They were the winners. There's a difference.

  • @dawoifee
    @dawoifee Місяць тому +135

    Star Trek DS9 had a conversation about klingon honor, how cloaking Tech and sneak attacks are considered honorable, and the response was along the line that Victory is honorable, not the means how to achieve it.

    • @PJDAltamirus0425
      @PJDAltamirus0425 Місяць тому +13

      In a sci fi setting, basically engaging in melee any other way would get you pumped full of blaster fire. Hell, that is high likihood thing to happen right now

    • @formlessone8246
      @formlessone8246 Місяць тому +29

      Also from DS9:
      "You would shoot a man in the back, Garak?"
      "Well it's the safest way, isn't it?"

    • @danielmclellan1522
      @danielmclellan1522 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@PJDAltamirus0425 I was running a Slasher-heavy Hunter the Vigil game once, and used the Collector as one of the slashers, playing him like a more bloodthirsty version of Kevin McAllister. He set off one of those gender reveal confetti poppers filled with colored dust at point-blank range when one of the players went for her pistol, and smashed the window with a fire poker while she couldn't see. She heard the shattered glass and went for the window because she assumed he'd broken it to get away. Nope, he was still in the room, and tried to bash her from behind, only failed because another character who'd been nearby entered the room because they heard the window, and you don't have to draw a shotgun you're already holding, you just get a penalty for firing it one handed. He missed, but the Collector decided to get while the getting was good.

    • @dawoifee
      @dawoifee Місяць тому +6

      @@formlessone8246 Garak has plenty of good lines. Love him.
      But as far as I know Cardassians do not come across much as honor worshipping people.

    • @chameleonx9253
      @chameleonx9253 Місяць тому +1

      If nobody is alive to tell anyone what tactics you used to win, are your tactics dishonorable?

  • @grandarkfang_1482
    @grandarkfang_1482 Місяць тому +67

    Basically hitting them with a "2 for flinching."
    I'm saving this as research for my own stories.

  • @CannedMan
    @CannedMan Місяць тому +11

    ‘Oh, no you can’t do that, that’s dishonouragghblll…’
    ‘Who cares? You’re dead, I’m not.’

  • @JakobIlar
    @JakobIlar Місяць тому +26

    Mid-swordfight, guy throws a sword and misses, then advances on flinching opponent,
    hits him in the upper arm twice: "Two for flinching!"

  • @Subutai_Khan
    @Subutai_Khan Місяць тому +62

    I love that you put “dirty trick” in quotes. As you go on to discuss in the video, life or death combat there is no such thing and nobody who actually fought for a living cared. Unless you established rules in a duel or a sport that were clearly broken. Bending rules was something successful duelists did all the time though. Basically if there is no rule forbidding it, it is allowed.
    On throwing weapons, I think people are often surprised by how often it appears in spear combat too (as in spears more so intended for melee combat). The fact a spear can be thrown is yet another reason why it is so formidable. I am not suggesting knights always did this, but we have evidence that they trained to reliably throw their lances too. One can think of situations where it could be useful.

    • @videocrowsnest5251
      @videocrowsnest5251 Місяць тому +10

      I kind of like to think there really is no such thing as a fair fight. Because what idiot would pick a fight with someone, as a fair fight? Instead of stacking all the odds in their own favor to ensure minimal casualties/odds of their own dying to get maximum potential gains. War and battle wasn't/isn't some sort of soccer game, but it's done with an express purpose to get something out of doing it.
      So yea, it isn't like actual combat is a game. Or the battlefield itself has notions of fair or unfair. Which this whole fair fight myth kind of feels like it boils down to - viewing the combat where people die or get horribly injured, dismembered for life, as a game. Or like some higher power will just red card unfair moves and let the fair fighting valiant ones win if there is too much funny business in bloody battles. It doesn't on an earthly basis much matter to the fiber of someone's being if they fatally meet the bad end of a sword. Dead is dead. Be one whatever shade of gray. In combat, a moral compass doesn't mean much when the bad stuff happens.
      This though does excellently convey how propaganda in the older times worked, and speak to how effective/common play it was that to this day we got this kind of fairness shouting occurring. Of course, the victors will label themselves all the good things and their beaten adversaries (mostly dead or in no condition to say much under the boot of the usually not very graceful in victory victor) as all the negative ones. Doesn't mean it's true.

    • @Riceball01
      @Riceball01 Місяць тому +3

      @@videocrowsnest5251 Agree, although now a days in modern times, we have rules that most (but not all) countries have agreed to regarding what you can and can't do and use in war.

    • @thomasfplm
      @thomasfplm Місяць тому +2

      Also, cavalry sometimes used throwing crosses (it was also used on foot, but as fas as I know it was more common on horseback).

    • @saphyrepyre
      @saphyrepyre Місяць тому +4

      @@Riceball01we can thank Canada for some of that 😂

    • @Subutai_Khan
      @Subutai_Khan Місяць тому +2

      @@videocrowsnest5251 Yeah, it is just basic military strategy and tactics. If you are taking "fair fights" (I agree they don't really exist, there is always going to be something tipping the scales even slightly.) you have a 50/50 percent chance of winning, and that just is not sustainable for a long campaign and is a reckless gamble at best in any form of fighting. Your tactics really suck if the fight is fair in short. I guess they could be worse though if you can't even fight the enemy on "fair" terms so there is that.
      Not to dismiss the need for rules in tournaments, sparring, or sport of course. But tbh even in these contexts you will see people bend rules or use them to their advantage as much as they can. That is how competition goes. A funny case in the recent past was taekwondo practitioners doing spin kicks to the head and falling over. Falling over is a half point penalty but for landing the kick they knew they could score big and so it basically meant nothing and allowed a free stoppage after scoring the highest points you can in one hit. It looked ridiculous to say the least. You see the same thing more and more in HEMA too and really any sport or competitive martial art you can think of.

  • @KurokawaShiro
    @KurokawaShiro Місяць тому +15

    Cue various sentiments and variations of "honor is a luxury only survivors of battle can afford".

  • @aaronyoung8301
    @aaronyoung8301 Місяць тому +26

    Throw a sword, dagger, rock, sand, a stick, or your hat, cloak, or shoe; anything to distract (i call it "getting the stun") to not get cut down or ran through.
    So yeah, just like what was said at the end.

  • @dragoknight589
    @dragoknight589 Місяць тому +10

    TLDW: Projectiles are also combo starters IRL.

  • @spamhonx56
    @spamhonx56 Місяць тому +28

    I've always felt that throwing knives, though cool, couldn't really be expected to even seriously wound a prepared opponent- it's deceptively easy to deflect them, easier than deflecting an arrow- but i do think that throwing a knife or something has a lot of advantages. It lets you strike from outside of your weapon's range, put the enemy on the back foot (literally sometimes) while you are both out of measure, which in theory at least should give you the opportunity to follow it up. I know i'd sooner close in against someone who's recovering from a deflect or dodge or flinch than against someone completely prepared.

    • @doejhonny
      @doejhonny Місяць тому +3

      Yup, throwing knives might not be the 1 shot kill like in movies, but it's still preferable and instinctive to avoid getting hit by one. Like weak projectiles in fighting video games, they're useful enough just by making tour opponent predictable.

  • @joundii3100
    @joundii3100 Місяць тому +14

    In the grand majority of cases the order of priority is :
    One's life
    Victory
    Honour
    The cases where people still fought despite certain death or defeat (I guess Shiroyama would be a relevant exemple) are remembered because they are exceptional.

  • @sevenproxies4255
    @sevenproxies4255 Місяць тому +17

    I remember the anime Ninja Scroll where the ninja for hire Kibagami Jubei would have a string tied to his katana so he could throw it at opponents and then retract the sword when it was out of reach.

    • @W4iteFlame
      @W4iteFlame Місяць тому +2

      I doubt it will work as good in the reality though

    • @doejhonny
      @doejhonny Місяць тому +1

      There was another weird anime that was either called something like kakegururi or shugururui. Well anyways the one guy in it has a "secret technique" where he let's the sword slide down his had by like 2 inches. I wondered about how firm a grip that could possibly give you. I tried it with my machete, and it worked setter then I thought. A lot less power, but at least it didn't just fly out of my hand.

    • @W4iteFlame
      @W4iteFlame Місяць тому +1

      @@doejhonny I suspect that this is an actual real life technique. I think I've seen it somewhere, but do not remember where

  • @darrelljohnston8676
    @darrelljohnston8676 Місяць тому +6

    One of the most famous pieces of trivia about Mortensen that has been circulating around the internet for years now is how he deflected an actual knife during that famous battle scene from The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring.

  • @lady_draguliana784
    @lady_draguliana784 Місяць тому +8

    a stick that's heavy at one end and/or has a head (a club) that's typically about forearm length (half-to-one cubit on owner) was a common throwing and hunting weapon, likely for about 10-20,000 years or so: literally a stone age weapon, if not earlier (possibly predating humans modifying things into tools, as a good throwin' stick might be found on the ground, ready to go, naturally perfect; I've found them thusly myself).
    Throwing Clubs (or Throwing _Sticks)_ are used by various peoples in warfare and hunting to this day, though you might be more interested in the Australian Aborigines (boomerangs rarely 'came back') and; Here in my area of the US; the Hopi and other tribes that used them in the Indian Wars against the White Colonizers, but mostly for hunting game as big as deer (tho more often rabbit-sized game and fowl here in the Americas). It's a common hunting weapon for children to target squirrels and varmints with even today, and I strongly suspect it was so common throughout history that it was barely mentioned because of how ubiquitous it was to daily life (and how the high-born would never touch such a plebeian weapon).
    Literally go get a light-weight wooden mallet, or make a club... a _small one_ mind you... now have an assistant throw it at you... hard... seriously fast-pitch throw a hammer at someone's face, even in armor, even a little quarter-kilo one, and they're MOST likely going to react... and most were well more than a quarter-kilo so if they didn't react, they could be hurt, get their bell rung, or even be killed as it smashed their teeth through their brains, depending on size and velocity...
    Cheap, Easy, Plentiful, Effective. have a couple on you, in your belt, as you're out in the field to snag a rabbit, or squirrels etc. if you happen upon one (no need to fiddle with loading a sling), OR, draw-and-chuck at a foe's face as you close distance and draw steel... just getting *A* reaction can give you an edge as you engage.

  • @VoyagerLife826
    @VoyagerLife826 Місяць тому +15

    Most honorable is the pommel throw

  • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
    @b.h.abbott-motley2427 Місяць тому +24

    Ideas of a fair fight being more honorable absolutely appear in medieval & Renaissance texts. Fiore de'i Liberi, for example, described dirty tricks like filling a pollaxe head full of caustic powder. He explicitly acknowledged this as fighting dirty & as dishonorable: "My most noble lord, my Marquis, there are some vicious things shown in this book that you would never do. I show you them purely to aid your knowledge." You find similar claims that there are right & wrong ways to fight across period writing. In fiction, knights would out of their way to avoid having an unfair advantage. The logic of a fair fight is that it allows the victor to show their superiority. If two fight with identical swords, then the winner can say they proved they were most skilled &/or best conditioned. A person with a spear kills a person with a sword in a fight, they can't assert their worth in the same way because of the disparity of weapons. So historical people believed in (or claimed to believe in) fairness as way to display their value. Folks definitely ignored the conventions of honor & fairness plenty, but there's no question such conventions existed.

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax Місяць тому +6

      Duels vs war

    • @Skallagrim
      @Skallagrim  Місяць тому +17

      That's the thing, the ideals people claim to have and what they actually do are often different things.
      Funnily enough the pommel throw is one of those tricks that are just described in a neutral way, without judgment.

    • @1stCallipostle
      @1stCallipostle Місяць тому +5

      I feel like there's also a wide gap between "using a technique to catch them off guard" and "this guy loaded powder into his weapon before an arranged duel to have a blatantly unfair advantage in a situation that's supposed to be equal"

    • @Skallagrim
      @Skallagrim  Місяць тому +6

      @@1stCallipostle I'm very skeptical about Fiore's powder shenanigans... I mean, how could anyone possibly get away with that in a judicial duel where the gear is checked?

    • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
      @b.h.abbott-motley2427 Місяць тому +2

      @@1stCallipostle Joseph Swetnam wrote that anyone who killed a man by throwing a dagger or darting a rapier should die for it. He presented such a trick as akin to striking home at an opponent distracted by ruse. He gave the example of a duelist who told his opponent to take of his spurs so they wouldn't bother him & then fatally stabbed him while he was removing the spurs. This all appears in Swetnam's section on cowards & their actions. So that is a period text that presents throwing a dagger or rapier as dishonorable & worthy of the death penalty if it causes death. However, Swetnam still recommended threatening to throw the dagger if one dropped the rapier in a duel, in order to gain space to pick up the rapier again. & Swetnam was far more adverse to killing than most historical masters. He recommended wounding one's foe in a duel but avoiding lethal strikes if possible. He recommended against dueling if at all possible. Etc.

  • @charliedavis3931
    @charliedavis3931 Місяць тому +8

    I taught self defense (also Knife Fighting) for a little while and one of the first things I taught was the effectiveness of throwing things. I showed up one day with a baseball cap and had us start sparring I was sparring and in the middle of the knife sparring match I threw my hat and "won" the match. I taught how to do that. Another day I had a pair of sunglasses hanging off my shirt and the same thing happened. It was effect even against experienced martial artist who spar and fight in the ring.

    • @W4iteFlame
      @W4iteFlame Місяць тому

      I wonder if things like that can work on the opponent who really wants your blood

    • @charliedavis3931
      @charliedavis3931 Місяць тому +2

      @@W4iteFlame If anything you still take away information from them for a second. Information is key in a fight, take it away, even for a moment,and you can win. (Plus stabbing someone straight through the chest may not work 100% of the time against someone really determined).

  • @ShagShaggio
    @ShagShaggio Місяць тому +5

    The ancient technique of YEET!
    Cheers!

  • @wingardwearables
    @wingardwearables Місяць тому +4

    Hurlbats and tomahawks would fall into this category-a number of historic accounts showed tomahawks thrown at first opportunity before closing in with another weapon (big knife, warclub, or another tomahawk)

    • @patrickkenyon2326
      @patrickkenyon2326 Місяць тому +2

      " Why do you carry two tomahawks?"
      " I have two hands, don't I ?"

    • @wingardwearables
      @wingardwearables Місяць тому +1

      @@patrickkenyon2326 no joke, I usually wear 2 tomahawks-they’re my designs. One is optimized for throwing, the other for close quarters. Each design does different utility functions better than the other, so both together cover a range of tasks.

  • @Lo-tf6qt
    @Lo-tf6qt Місяць тому +7

    Chinese Dandao manuals also show a similar technique but it was intended to be used against a spearman rather than another swordsman

    • @robertlewis6915
      @robertlewis6915 Місяць тому +2

      That makes sense, given the swordsman's goal is to get inside the spearman's fight-range.

  • @simonelollo7619
    @simonelollo7619 Місяць тому +3

    During a partisan sparring I once trown it like a javelin, as it was actually done sometimes, the problem was that being the only weapon I was obligated to rush in to took him down but sadly he parried and hit me with a close cut; however it was extremetely fun...

  • @TheRexisFern
    @TheRexisFern Місяць тому +68

    I've had three people try to throw their weapons at me, and somehow I always parried it. Twice spinning it into my offhand, which really strikes fear into an enemy.

    • @HaloForgeUltra
      @HaloForgeUltra Місяць тому +9

      You indeed have valour, friend.

    • @BirdieRumia
      @BirdieRumia Місяць тому +16

      I once had my glasses knocked off of my face but caught them at arm's length, but I don't think I could do it twice...

    • @Cheeselord114
      @Cheeselord114 Місяць тому +2

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    • @CriticalFeline
      @CriticalFeline Місяць тому +1

      @@HaloForgeUltra ye olde APM

    • @DH-xw6jp
      @DH-xw6jp Місяць тому +4

      And then hand the blade back to them with a smug "you missed" before resuming the butt kicking.

  • @Jarasznikos
    @Jarasznikos Місяць тому +5

    I saw in HEMA type duel sword throwing from short distance and it was shocking move. Second duelist was so distracted, that allow first one to go into grapling.

  • @ProcyonDei
    @ProcyonDei Місяць тому +4

    Seki Sensei collab when? Needs to happen at some point...

    • @PaMuShin
      @PaMuShin Місяць тому

      Skallagrim probably first gonna fight kevin lee

  • @nevik2950
    @nevik2950 Місяць тому +2

    I have read a lot of documents going over samurai code of ethics, and it rarely says much about the battlefield unless it is much later on. It is mostly about conduct day to day.

  • @praxus6902
    @praxus6902 Місяць тому +1

    Please never stop making videos man. Great content as always.

  • @Vazlist
    @Vazlist Місяць тому +5

    Seki-sensei

  • @chrisbaker2714
    @chrisbaker2714 Місяць тому +1

    I've actually been getting pushed your videos recently!! It's awesome

  • @nazarnovitsky9868
    @nazarnovitsky9868 Місяць тому

    Thanks for the new video ! 😊

  • @Jordacar
    @Jordacar Місяць тому +1

    One movie with a good sword-toss was 'The Four Musketeers.' Porthos does it by way of drawing his rapier and tossing it all in one motion. Aramis isn't impressed, showing how easy it is to deflect, but later Porthos pulls it off and saves Aramis from a bad guy.

  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 Місяць тому +2

    the japanese were one of the first people in the world in general, to adopt firearms. it's actually crazy how much reality and myth differ in this case

    • @jakewolf079
      @jakewolf079 Місяць тому +1

      they start using it the moment they know it's a thing

  • @2Cats_ina_Trenchcoat
    @2Cats_ina_Trenchcoat Місяць тому +1

    Great video. Thanks man!

  • @MrMuddyWheels
    @MrMuddyWheels Місяць тому +5

    Capes, hats, and handkerchiefs can also be used as distractions

    • @Serahpin
      @Serahpin Місяць тому +1

      "No capes!" -Edna Mode

  • @Erynus
    @Erynus Місяць тому +1

    I always bring up the "manotada"(slap) with a thic leather glove to misalign the oponent's weapon and create an opening, used in spanish fencing or "destreza". It was frowen upon not because it was dishonorable but because it was so hard to pull it off that if you fail you create an opening yourself, but when done correctly it was great.
    I don't get why they throw the katana when they can throw the scabbard for the same effect. I expected to see Aoshi's Onmyo Hasshi from Samurai X

  • @williambreazeal387
    @williambreazeal387 Місяць тому +1

    In Seki’s tradition it is not just that the wakazashi is thrown. Its setting up the expectation/framing of the motion like to be a normal counter motion, and then ideally, seamlessly blending in the throw. If it’s done correctly, the opponent should go from treating the motion like a normal counter motion, to a brief state of confusion/panic when the motion of the thrown weapons causes a “does not compute” moment.

  • @UltimRoGuE
    @UltimRoGuE Місяць тому +2

    When u talked about shurikens... it reminded me of Batman throwin batarangs to interrupt attacks from his enemies or such, in arkham games :D

  • @Enyavar1
    @Enyavar1 Місяць тому

    Gotta love that final advice there. I'll now look out for that.

  • @lanceknuth5300
    @lanceknuth5300 Місяць тому +1

    I have never sparred with any weapon but as my reflexes are half decent I've been wondering over the last several months why I don't see this in films more often. Thank you for covering this topic.

  • @mooseitself
    @mooseitself Місяць тому

    1:35 The guy wearing the yellow doilies is mad caked for absolutely no reason. BYAT!

  • @LycaonsMemories
    @LycaonsMemories Місяць тому +8

    i dont remember where i heard it, but my favorite quote is "your average knight had more in common with al Capone than lancelot.

    • @jacobstaten2366
      @jacobstaten2366 Місяць тому +1

      Ironically mobsters and medieval knights have both been overly romanticized.

    • @LycaonsMemories
      @LycaonsMemories Місяць тому

      @@jacobstaten2366 not particularly ironic, everything is romanticized in the age of tv.

    • @jacobstaten2366
      @jacobstaten2366 Місяць тому

      @@LycaonsMemories not necessarily. A lot of things are unjustly vilified. It's just that most people know very little of medieval nights and there was a whole spectrum of better and worse. Al Capone was one person still alive until relatively recently and a terrible person the entire time.

  • @lordengland9747
    @lordengland9747 Місяць тому +1

    Great video thanks.

  • @AdamCeladin
    @AdamCeladin Місяць тому

    Great Video Skall! Thank you very much for shutout :))

  • @janhornak5739
    @janhornak5739 Місяць тому

    Yay, Adam and Jakub in your video! I love to see people i know in others videos.

  • @naroe2001
    @naroe2001 Місяць тому

    Disney 1973 Three Musketeers classic quote, "Only Porthos could invent a way to disarm himself" When he threw his rapier at a target.

  • @dropnoelfield295
    @dropnoelfield295 Місяць тому

    Interesting. Thanks mate

  • @jessecunningham9924
    @jessecunningham9924 Місяць тому

    Love this!

  • @BrotherMonkey
    @BrotherMonkey Місяць тому

    Yo skal, been a long time watcher, really like your videos!

  • @Ljplaysplanes
    @Ljplaysplanes Місяць тому

    I no must say that clip of you throwing the sword underhanded and getting a head shot is the most badass thing I’ve seen this year!

  • @alexrobinet7576
    @alexrobinet7576 Місяць тому +1

    When talking about "dirty tricks" I like to point out some of the early wrestling records have invitations sent specifically to the people that honed finger breaking and considered it an honor when they showed up.

  • @Quincy_Morris
    @Quincy_Morris Місяць тому

    I like the idea of this being done in battlefield situations where there are many dead bodies with extra weapons lying about and so you can throw discarded weapons to put them to some use

  • @AndICanTalk2
    @AndICanTalk2 Місяць тому

    Great video.

  • @DavidGibbs-hf4vf
    @DavidGibbs-hf4vf Місяць тому

    Yes… yea it does 😂 love you skall keep up the great work ❤

  • @drakeweddner
    @drakeweddner Місяць тому

    I would love to see a full video on honor code or just more of what society would of been like from some of these historical warriors point of veiw, thank you for the video please keep up the good work

  • @WingMaster562
    @WingMaster562 Місяць тому +7

    Pocket sand

  • @sinisterswordsman25
    @sinisterswordsman25 Місяць тому +1

    Interesting point about honour.
    It seems to me it really became a thing later, like you said. After dualing became outlawed, it was more frowned upon. If you fight "dirty" and you're already not supposed to be fighting in the first place... People don't like that lol

  • @putymogo
    @putymogo Місяць тому

    I don't have much to add.. nice video as always and a comment to help you with the algorithm

  • @princeofdyved9837
    @princeofdyved9837 Місяць тому

    I didn't know that about shuriken. That makes them a lot more interesting to use for an RPG game, as opposed to just a themed version of a standard ranged weapon.

  • @Darkyryus_
    @Darkyryus_ Місяць тому

    Whatever it takes~~ love that song!

  • @trikepilot101
    @trikepilot101 Місяць тому

    Good vid, Skal.

  • @RiaGracewood
    @RiaGracewood Місяць тому +1

    IE: you can die with honour, or live to fight another day.

  • @undersky596
    @undersky596 Місяць тому

    fun video thanks

  • @gargoylesblade
    @gargoylesblade Місяць тому

    Great video skallagrim

  • @KaijuBiologist
    @KaijuBiologist 8 днів тому

    Hey, if it's good enough for Musashi, it's good enough for me.
    Nice to see Adam Celadon videos here. That guy is comic book level scary good.

  • @JohnFleshman
    @JohnFleshman Місяць тому +1

    Heh I was just looking at my wall hanger gladius and thinking what a brutal thing it would be to chuck at your opponent. LOL!!!

  • @huzzah7597
    @huzzah7597 Місяць тому

    looking better there skal! healthier n brighter

  • @Palestrike
    @Palestrike Місяць тому

    Obligatory engagement comment.
    I'm doing my part!
    Great vid as always, Skall! Keep it up, man!

  • @eiskalteshandchen9036
    @eiskalteshandchen9036 Місяць тому

    Something to allways keep in mind, it's hard to train the eye to not follow an object that is directed to you, especially when it comes out of nowhere. And ignoring the offhand weapon when drawn is a risk for itself

  • @effigytormented
    @effigytormented Місяць тому

    Good advice

  • @patrickdunning6886
    @patrickdunning6886 23 хвилини тому

    The thumbnail almost looks like an album cover for a black metal band. Which is an awesome thing.

  • @lexidecimal9941
    @lexidecimal9941 5 днів тому

    My life is complicated, love your channel. Therefore I had to watch this video two times. Reasons.

  • @HanasDad
    @HanasDad Місяць тому

    Skall you are looking a lot thinner! Bravo!

  • @badrequest5596
    @badrequest5596 Місяць тому

    last week just for fun we were light sparring in the park with a couple of bokken and one of them had a light plastic scabbard. my instructor as a joke threw the scabbard against the opponent. he intentionally missed but it was still a hilarious distraction

  • @PoffinFresh
    @PoffinFresh Місяць тому +1

    Just point and shout “Look behind you!”

    • @TrueFork
      @TrueFork Місяць тому

      "who's that naked lady with the big boobs?"

  • @jaxirraywhisper741
    @jaxirraywhisper741 Місяць тому

    "Only Porthos can figure out a way how to disarm himself." - Athos. Turned out, not only Porthos.

  • @jacobstaten2366
    @jacobstaten2366 Місяць тому

    It's funny that they mention this in the Spartacus show telling them not to do it, and yet he does it again later on in the show.

  • @zaccaria101
    @zaccaria101 Місяць тому

    On your comment about Bushido, kings and generals did a great video about it basically describing what you just said about how it was more of a myth to instill social control. I recommend you check them out.

  • @jocamar15
    @jocamar15 Місяць тому

    I've had the dagger throw happen to me when I was dueling rapier/dagger with someone. Worked because it caught me off guard, but it only needs to work once...
    I've also seen all sorts of tricks in manuals, from pocket sand to literally "who's that behind you" and sticking the guy when he turns around.

  • @verify6329
    @verify6329 Місяць тому

    Gotta be honest about the title, I straight up I ignored this video because I had no clue what it was about. I only clicked after someone told me what is was about

  • @TransRoofKorean
    @TransRoofKorean Місяць тому

    I could imagine this making all the sense in the world in the middle of a chaotic battle, although strangely enough... where you'd see it in the 21st century, when I think of video games, I've done it a bit in Mount & Blade and in some roguelikes (ie. _actual_ roguelikes that code all weapons have thrown damage), but other than that, you never see it! It simply makes a ton of sense that if you've got a bunch of opponents to take out one after another, you drop one and have easy access to his weapon, just to pick it up and fling it hard at the next enemy, even IF it's only to force that opponent to react to that first...

  • @ryanjmay
    @ryanjmay Місяць тому

    I think if someones expecting a weapon to be thrown at them they are more able to defend against it. What comes to mind in terms of pop culture is Viggo Mortensen in Fellowship of the Ring: Lurtz pulls Strider's dagger out of his leg, licks it then throws it back at Aragorn. In the behind the scenes apparently they wanted to the keep the "hero" dagger in shot and the actor playing Lurtz was supposed to throw it near enough to parry it but not directly at him but you can see on screen the dagger going right for Viggo and him parrying the dagger mid-air with his sword.
    Just thought that was a cool bit of info in terms of someone expecting a projectile vs by surprise. Either way if that story is true it's impressive he was able to parry it. Thanks for the video!

  • @dylanclark9903
    @dylanclark9903 Місяць тому

    You should post more footage of you sparring! I thought you were just a backyard cut enthusiast. It’s cool to see how you move! what styles do u practice?

  • @AlexNV75
    @AlexNV75 Місяць тому +2

    This reminds me of how Mugen (Samurai Champloo) kept his smaller secondary blade in a full sized sheath as kind of a trick to how fast he could draw his back up in emergencies.

    • @jacobstaten2366
      @jacobstaten2366 Місяць тому

      That's a little silly seeing as how it means more bulk to carry without much of a benefit.

    • @AlexNV75
      @AlexNV75 Місяць тому

      @@jacobstaten2366 If you havent seen the show I recommend watching it, but you can see in the show it doesn't impede him: he fights very unorthodoxly (almost like break dancing).

    • @jacobstaten2366
      @jacobstaten2366 Місяць тому

      @@AlexNV75 that's not exactly selling it. 😬

    • @AlexNV75
      @AlexNV75 Місяць тому +1

      @@jacobstaten2366 🤷🏻‍♂️: you’ll either like it or not, it’s one of the more classic animes.

    • @jacobstaten2366
      @jacobstaten2366 Місяць тому

      @@AlexNV75 being popular doesn't mean something is good. The long sheath seems like the least ridiculous part now.

  • @CDKohmy
    @CDKohmy Місяць тому +1

    On a related note, throwing axes, while sometimes done in combat, was more of a ritual function. There are Frankish and Norse accounts of throwing axes, but more are used to designate the placement of a religious site. Clovis threw his to place a church, so too did St. Wolfgang. Cnut the Great did so for a monastery.

  • @rustythecrown9317
    @rustythecrown9317 20 днів тому

    ''Your sword isn't a range weapon , your bow is not a club''.

  • @fjallaxd7355
    @fjallaxd7355 Місяць тому

    Good video.

  • @penjaminthestrange4427
    @penjaminthestrange4427 7 днів тому

    I’ve deflected too many of these for it to be viable but good sneak attack if you have an off hand weapon or an extra weapon to immediately follow up with

  • @CreepyMF
    @CreepyMF Місяць тому

    To overcome that flinching instinct that's so built into your nature that's gotta take a lot of training.

    • @TrueFork
      @TrueFork Місяць тому

      baseball catcher?

  • @TheKejufish
    @TheKejufish Місяць тому +6

    1:37 guy had no business being this caked up

    • @BFedie518
      @BFedie518 Місяць тому +2

      Everyone knows that's where the power to throw the dagger like that comes from.

    • @1stCallipostle
      @1stCallipostle Місяць тому +2

      Unironically though, he did have business being that caked up.
      You notice it a lot in sword fighters, holding those stances all the time works up the glutes.

  • @docnightfall
    @docnightfall Місяць тому

    This studio setup makes me think Skall is going to break into song at any moment.

  • @N00bKefka
    @N00bKefka Місяць тому +1

    You think Isshin gonna fight 'fair' until he pulls out his glock

  • @rhombusx
    @rhombusx Місяць тому

    A popular technique in the Bushido Blade games as well... the only annoying thing was that each fighter had a unique throwable, and some characters' throwable was capable of killing, others just of doing damage.

  • @boby9397
    @boby9397 19 днів тому

    Good video. The difference between a "ritual" fight and a survival fight. In order to train to fight, some restrictions need to apply to prevent the trainees from killing each other. This has evolved into many different fighting games. Real fighting, is the struggle for survival, not a game.

  • @night1952
    @night1952 Місяць тому

    What I like about the wakizashi throw is that it's very random. If you throw to strike it's more predictable, while the sword just flying over your head in a weird arc is more unsettling.