I like so many others will miss being able to attend conferences with RC Sproul. He left a wonderful albeit mixed legacy. Tragically his reprobate son is part of that legacy. It's fortunate for Dr. Sproul's sake that RC Jr didn't abandon the Reformed faith until after his father's passing. That scandal, on top of RC Jr's many other scandals and crimes, may have proven to be the most painful one of all to Dr. Sproul. See the Spinderella Sproul blog for more.
Dude, you have an unhealthy obsession with Sproul Jr. All of your comments pertain to him and even your profile picture is of him. This is in no way edifying to the body of Christ, and is in no way helpful for any purpose.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 Your logic (if it can be called that) is summed up in _shoot the messenger_ Feel free to attack the message, if you can. I'm happy to engage with you on the facts.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 If what I post facilitates Ligonier being held financially accountable to their donors (of which I have been one) and stop paying RC Jr six-figures as an "independent contractor" long after he "resigned" then I will indeed have accomplished something helpful. Call me obsessed if you like. We should all be obsessed about any ministry that squanders donor monies. Ligonier is wrong for what they've done and they need to repent. Tax-exempt ministries aren't legally authorized to divert donor monies to enrich family members, especially to anyone who's caused as many scandals as RC Jr has.
@@FledMendota And you think that Ligonier’s financial management team is going to change anything because some random dude with an unhealthy obsession won’t stop commenting on their UA-cam videos? If you cared about actual change you would try to contact them directly instead of stirring up drama.
@@PaDutchRunner If by pretty active you mean he's turning out a lot of content, then yes. If by pretty active you mean he's getting lots of views and subscribers, then no. Rare is the episode that gets over 25 views. Funny though, the most viewed episodes to date are his series Sacred Marriage Under Fire in which he and his 3 times divorced wife Lisa bash his late wife Denise and his adult children, all while playing the victim. They've gotten a lot of push back over that.
@@PaDutchRunner This Sproul family debacle began 4 years ago when RC Jr married a 3 times divorced woman. He was forced to demit his ordination because his Presbytery viewed such a marriage as biblically impermissible. Lisa immediately set about engaging in parental alienation tactics and RC Jr went along with it. With Lisa's encouragement they've alienated and cut off every single member of his family. Things got even worse several weeks ago when RC Jr and Lisa publicly accused the late Denise Sproul of "marital unfaithfulness." Many people personally knew Denise and knew she was incapable, both morally and even logistically, of adultery. Rather than posting a link here (UA-cam sometimes shadow bans links) I'd suggest googling "Spinderella Sproul" and follow the story there by clicking the link "Has RC Sproul Jr Gone Completely Insane?"
Our God is a consuming fire and our God is Love, life and light. The Love of God is the place from where that fire proceeds and it will consume all our sin. However when God has finished making Mankind in his image 'Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess (willingly acclaim) that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Repent and believe the Gospel.
RC Sproul may be Reformed but he's anything but Presbyterian. He only thing "Presbyterian" about RC Sproul is he "parks his ordination" in the PCA. The church he founded, Saint Andrews Chapel, has always been an independent non-denominational church. He fought members of his own congregation for years who'd petitioned to have the church brought into the PCA. So in point of fact RC Sproul is anti-Presbyterian.
I know it would be a big undertaking, but Ligonier really needs to edit RC Jr out of these Q&A vidoes. Keeping RC Jr in Ligonier videos is just a dumb idea. But it's especially hypocritical having RC Jr answer questions about marriage and family value issues. Horrible optics! Oh, and Ligonier needs to kick Junior off the Ligonier Ministries Gravy Train too. Stop paying him six-figures as a Ligonier independent contractor for doing diddly squat.
I appreciate the sentiment and what is being attempted but not a fan of the reference of 2 Samuel. Very weak exposition. The most obvious understanding of the passage in David saying he will join the child is merely that he will die. David comforting his new wife is physical (she conceived). This kind of sloppy exposition is not a comfort. It distances God’s people from the certainty of his promises that we do receive in the scripture when they are handled carefully.
Essentially every Christian commentator I’ve read on the subject agrees that David is referring to Heaven. Either everyone has bad hermeneutics, or your understanding of the passage is not the most obvious.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 What is their rationale for that assertion? In the English there doesn’t seem to be any reason to say that is what he is referring to. I’m not sure if there is some meaning hidden in the Hebrew or Greek? I am not a linguist. Did David have a clear a theology of heaven as Christians today? I’m far from convinced. Many references in his covenant position refer to Sheol (see 1 Samuel 2:6 and 2 Samuel 22:6). I am happy to be corrected but, quite frankly, it is not good enough to appeal to the authority of scholars without their rationale. In my experience, good scholars are commonly shoddy expositors. If there argument is good, I will listen and am open to being persuaded. If their argument is poor or ill-founded I will reject it.
@@iknowyourerightbut4986 Well for starters you can take what they said in the video: “he comforted her.” Saying, “yeah my kid is dead, but I will be too” is far from comforting. There was most definitely a perception of the afterlife at that time, since even Job mentions an afterlife.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 well, in verse 23 he’s speaking to his servants that question him in V21, not Bathsheba. We don’t know for certain how David comforted Bathsheba. However, we do know it involved lying with her. If we keep reading we see that they had another baby (Solomon). That seems most plausible to me that this is the primary way that David comforted her. The author seems to want us to couple David’s comfort with Solomon’s conception (which is why they are stated in the same verse). There does also seem to be something of a precedent in this form of comfort in the bible (see Isaac and Rebekah in Genesis 24:67).
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 Let me clarify, I am certainly not denying an idea of an afterlife in the Old Testament. I just don’t find this explanation plausible as an explanation for what David is saying in this particular case.
It is infuriating how all our churchmen accept that the federal and state government bureaucrat are "authorities" like a Caesar or a king or a dictator. Why concede the status of king or ruler to some secular bureaucrat? Government by definition is that collection of reprobates who call themselves government and distinguish themselves by living off the labors of we the people. Do we still believe in the divine right of kings? Do we believe that the "president" is some sort of king and all the other bureaucrats are his vassals and that we the people are the peasants and serfs bound to serve these "rulers"? Do we just roll over and accept that the cops are our authorities appointed by God to rule over us at the point of a government gun? NO! Even the scum that calls itself government is quick to shout "Rule of law, not man!" Meanwhile our church leaders such as this panel openly cede a divine right of any and all bureaucrats to rule over we the people. They tell us that we must obey these men, that these secular disciples of Satan have a divine right to rule over Christians and that Christians are bound by God to obey this unholy collections of misfits and perverts, protected by their unconstitutional, unlawful standing armies of cops and homeland security and FBI. Our true leaders, the Sprouls and DeYoungs, et al., have turned tail, conceded divine authority to Satan's disciples and tell us to roll over and give our tithes and offerings to the "government" without question, when we know full well that "government" uses it to fund abortions and attack Christianity at all levels. Our true leaders are so mistaken that they even concede these disciples of Satan the power to redefine marriage to mean something other than as God defined it. They tell us that we must endure, simply accept, these insults to God. They do not even hint that we should overturn these satanic "court" opinions and encoded legislative statute. What a colossally errant presupposition these otherwise well read and learned men hold to suppose that divine authority can pass to disciples of Satan! How blind they are to the fact that in this country, as in Switzerland, we all hold the sword, except that the government sword is not a terror to evil, it is the evil, it held, by the perverts and deviants who call themselves government, to the throat of all Christians. That fraud known as the federal reserve system, private cabal, not federal, nothing in reserve, but boy it is a racket, is not a divine institution, paper is not what God established to be money, and just because it is private and Congress pretends it has "money" to lend, does not give it any legitimacy, may Senator Aldrich burn eternally. God intended stability, that men should be able to store up treasure and have to give to others, not the inflated flood of fiat federal reserve notes from that third party printing press. Yet, we hear nothing of this evil that hits the little man harder than all other forms of government mandated fraud. This is the great error of our leaders today, that they will not challenge the antichrist government even though the thoughts and acts of the parasites who call themselves government are only evil continually. In America, it is time to throw off this satanic yoke. Don't fight city hall, be city hall! Have the courage to defy unlawful unamerican central government. We have God on the side of righteousness and we have a mandate from God to disciple the nations. Let's start right here. Sincerely David Parker
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. Romans 13:1-7 ESV
+David Parker It should not infuriate you. We are called to obey the authorities unless they demand us to obey man instead of God. Keep in mind the authority Paul talked about in his letters would have been Nero, who later beheaded Paul.
My question is why don't you invite James Jordan, Kenneth Gentry, Gary DeMar, Joel McDurmon, et al., to these panels and conferences? If you want a real round table, invite the Reconstructionists to participate. Sincerely, David Parker
The objective of a Christian form of Hegelian dialectics is to manufacture a religion for all; yet, make it appear Christian to a degree. Hegelian dialectics is present in most churches as well as being engraved deeply in culture. This is why liberal churches want to bring culture into the church structure and remove the idea we simply need to believe in the Bible cover to cover as separated and peculiar believers in the Savior. John Calvin believed in general society having worth as it would defeat satan casting him into hell, though he also added Christians into this equation in his commentary on Genesis chapter 3. Calvin did deny Jesus Christ in this eventuality, being a blasphemer of Almighty God and a false prophet. No surprise here! Because Calvin believed in this soon occurrence, true Calvinists believe satan is in hell today and society is relevant to Christianity. Rick Warren’s religion teaches this as well within his “paradigm shift.” Warren is pro-homosexuality and every evil thing under the sun. He stands with homosexuals assisting him in escorting peace to the earth-a false “kingdom Now” phenomenon of ecumenicalism of so-called believers who reject much in the way of Biblical truths. Georg Wilhelm Hegel (1770-1831) was about replacing something old with something new. Today it is equated to “e.g., capitalism with communism or Marxism, traditional Bible doctrine with theological modernism, a traditional educational system based on moral absolutes with a new one based on relativism, an old age with a new age, etc.” Of course this is not new and we read in Ecclesiastes how silly society was in Solomon’s day-always seeking something new, saying come here; this is new or that is new. Of course, this all arises from the pit of hell. Confronting sin is certainly set apart within the Hegelian mind-set which is now running amok in fellowships. And it sets forth a religion of confusion and God is not a God of confusion. He is a God of never-changing ancient truths. If people want God’s perfect peace they rest in the Scriptures alone, and do not run here and there seeking to be in style or culturally acceptable within satan’s deadly grasp. I will add, true believers who do not conform to the churchy form of Hegelian dialectics, are usually pushed out of the church, though they are sometimes offered warnings previous to. Of course, God commands Christians to not conform to any aspect of this satanic heresy, which is mainly produced by pastors who want their churches on the map for fame-sake and lucre-sake. Please watch this video of exposure: ua-cam.com/video/HJUrHkHnVeE/v-deo.html Val Lee author of "Cliques in the Church" and other publications of “val lee weblog” vallee7.wordpress.com
I love questions and answers panels! Thank you!
This was truly edifying. God bless everyone who spoke such words to encourage holiness in us.
I like so many others will miss being able to attend conferences with RC Sproul. He left a wonderful albeit mixed legacy. Tragically his reprobate son is part of that legacy. It's fortunate for Dr. Sproul's sake that RC Jr didn't abandon the Reformed faith until after his father's passing. That scandal, on top of RC Jr's many other scandals and crimes, may have proven to be the most painful one of all to Dr. Sproul. See the Spinderella Sproul blog for more.
Dude, you have an unhealthy obsession with Sproul Jr. All of your comments pertain to him and even your profile picture is of him. This is in no way edifying to the body of Christ, and is in no way helpful for any purpose.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 Your logic (if it can be called that) is summed up in _shoot the messenger_
Feel free to attack the message, if you can. I'm happy to engage with you on the facts.
@@FledMendota
I just pointed out that what you are doing is in no way helpful. You are obsessed.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 If what I post facilitates Ligonier being held financially accountable to their donors (of which I have been one) and stop paying RC Jr six-figures as an "independent contractor" long after he "resigned" then I will indeed have accomplished something helpful. Call me obsessed if you like. We should all be obsessed about any ministry that squanders donor monies. Ligonier is wrong for what they've done and they need to repent. Tax-exempt ministries aren't legally authorized to divert donor monies to enrich family members, especially to anyone who's caused as many scandals as RC Jr has.
@@FledMendota
And you think that Ligonier’s financial management team is going to change anything because some random dude with an unhealthy obsession won’t stop commenting on their UA-cam videos? If you cared about actual change you would try to contact them directly instead of stirring up drama.
was this after R.C. Jr had been suspended?...just curious...First time to hear Kevin De Young , thoroughly enjoyed the insight and input I heard....
RC has a new podcast that is pretty active, called Jesus Changes Everything. It’s worth a listen.
@@PaDutchRunner If by pretty active you mean he's turning out a lot of content, then yes. If by pretty active you mean he's getting lots of views and subscribers, then no. Rare is the episode that gets over 25 views. Funny though, the most viewed episodes to date are his series Sacred Marriage Under Fire in which he and his 3 times divorced wife Lisa bash his late wife Denise and his adult children, all while playing the victim. They've gotten a lot of push back over that.
@@userofusername I hadn’t heard about that. I’ll look it up. Do you have a link?
@@PaDutchRunner This Sproul family debacle began 4 years ago when RC Jr married a 3 times divorced woman. He was forced to demit his ordination because his Presbytery viewed such a marriage as biblically impermissible. Lisa immediately set about engaging in parental alienation tactics and RC Jr went along with it. With Lisa's encouragement they've alienated and cut off every single member of his family. Things got even worse several weeks ago when RC Jr and Lisa publicly accused the late Denise Sproul of "marital unfaithfulness." Many people personally knew Denise and knew she was incapable, both morally and even logistically, of adultery. Rather than posting a link here (UA-cam sometimes shadow bans links) I'd suggest googling "Spinderella Sproul" and follow the story there by clicking the link "Has RC Sproul Jr Gone Completely Insane?"
@@userofusername This just makes me want to cry!
Our God is a consuming fire and our God is Love, life and light. The Love of God is the place from where that fire proceeds and it will consume all our sin. However when God has finished making Mankind in his image 'Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess (willingly acclaim) that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Repent and believe the Gospel.
Strange answer on how to live as a child under two moms.
All Presbyterians in a row (wohoooooooooooooo) - no Baptist there exceptionally lol JK
That's how it should be.
@@joshuatheo1419 lol
RC Sproul may be Reformed but he's anything but Presbyterian. He only thing "Presbyterian" about RC Sproul is he "parks his ordination" in the PCA. The church he founded, Saint Andrews Chapel, has always been an independent non-denominational church. He fought members of his own congregation for years who'd petitioned to have the church brought into the PCA. So in point of fact RC Sproul is anti-Presbyterian.
I know it would be a big undertaking, but Ligonier really needs to edit RC Jr out of these Q&A vidoes. Keeping RC Jr in Ligonier videos is just a dumb idea. But it's especially hypocritical having RC Jr answer questions about marriage and family value issues. Horrible optics! Oh, and Ligonier needs to kick Junior off the Ligonier Ministries Gravy Train too. Stop paying him six-figures as a Ligonier independent contractor for doing diddly squat.
I appreciate the sentiment and what is being attempted but not a fan of the reference of 2 Samuel. Very weak exposition. The most obvious understanding of the passage in David saying he will join the child is merely that he will die. David comforting his new wife is physical (she conceived). This kind of sloppy exposition is not a comfort. It distances God’s people from the certainty of his promises that we do receive in the scripture when they are handled carefully.
Essentially every Christian commentator I’ve read on the subject agrees that David is referring to Heaven. Either everyone has bad hermeneutics, or your understanding of the passage is not the most obvious.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 What is their rationale for that assertion? In the English there doesn’t seem to be any reason to say that is what he is referring to. I’m not sure if there is some meaning hidden in the Hebrew or Greek? I am not a linguist.
Did David have a clear a theology of heaven as Christians today? I’m far from convinced. Many references in his covenant position refer to Sheol (see 1 Samuel 2:6 and 2 Samuel 22:6).
I am happy to be corrected but, quite frankly, it is not good enough to appeal to the authority of scholars without their rationale. In my experience, good scholars are commonly shoddy expositors. If there argument is good, I will listen and am open to being persuaded. If their argument is poor or ill-founded I will reject it.
@@iknowyourerightbut4986
Well for starters you can take what they said in the video: “he comforted her.” Saying, “yeah my kid is dead, but I will be too” is far from comforting. There was most definitely a perception of the afterlife at that time, since even Job mentions an afterlife.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 well, in verse 23 he’s speaking to his servants that question him in V21, not Bathsheba.
We don’t know for certain how David comforted Bathsheba. However, we do know it involved lying with her. If we keep reading we see that they had another baby (Solomon). That seems most plausible to me that this is the primary way that David comforted her. The author seems to want us to couple David’s comfort with Solomon’s conception (which is why they are stated in the same verse). There does also seem to be something of a precedent in this form of comfort in the bible (see Isaac and Rebekah in Genesis 24:67).
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 Let me clarify, I am certainly not denying an idea of an afterlife in the Old Testament. I just don’t find this explanation plausible as an explanation for what David is saying in this particular case.
Sproul is looking a bit fragile these days. :( Lord do not take this man yet! (selfish prayer) lol
R C will live, after this, two more years, to 2017....But what a great legacy he left us.
It is infuriating how all our churchmen accept that the federal and state government bureaucrat are "authorities" like a Caesar or a king or a dictator. Why concede the status of king or ruler to some secular bureaucrat? Government by definition is that collection of reprobates who call themselves government and distinguish themselves by living off the labors of we the people.
Do we still believe in the divine right of kings? Do we believe that the "president" is some sort of king and all the other bureaucrats are his vassals and that we the people are the peasants and serfs bound to serve these "rulers"? Do we just roll over and accept that the cops are our authorities appointed by God to rule over us at the point of a government gun?
NO! Even the scum that calls itself government is quick to shout "Rule of law, not man!"
Meanwhile our church leaders such as this panel openly cede a divine right of any and all bureaucrats to rule over we the people. They tell us that we must obey these men, that these secular disciples of Satan have a divine right to rule over Christians and that Christians are bound by God to obey this unholy collections of misfits and perverts, protected by their unconstitutional, unlawful standing armies of cops and homeland security and FBI.
Our true leaders, the Sprouls and DeYoungs, et al., have turned tail, conceded divine authority to Satan's disciples and tell us to roll over and give our tithes and offerings to the "government" without question, when we know full well that "government" uses it to fund abortions and attack Christianity at all levels.
Our true leaders are so mistaken that they even concede these disciples of Satan the power to redefine marriage to mean something other than as God defined it. They tell us that we must endure, simply accept, these insults to God. They do not even hint that we should overturn these satanic "court" opinions and encoded legislative statute.
What a colossally errant presupposition these otherwise well read and learned men hold to suppose that divine authority can pass to disciples of Satan! How blind they are to the fact that in this country, as in Switzerland, we all hold the sword, except that the government sword is not a terror to evil, it is the evil, it held, by the perverts and deviants who call themselves government, to the throat of all Christians.
That fraud known as the federal reserve system, private cabal, not federal, nothing in reserve, but boy it is a racket, is not a divine institution, paper is not what God established to be money, and just because it is private and Congress pretends it has "money" to lend, does not give it any legitimacy, may Senator Aldrich burn eternally. God intended stability, that men should be able to store up treasure and have to give to others, not the inflated flood of fiat federal reserve notes from that third party printing press. Yet, we hear nothing of this evil that hits the little man harder than all other forms of government mandated fraud.
This is the great error of our leaders today, that they will not challenge the antichrist government even though the thoughts and acts of the parasites who call themselves government are only evil continually. In America, it is time to throw off this satanic yoke. Don't fight city hall, be city hall! Have the courage to defy unlawful unamerican central government.
We have God on the side of righteousness and we have a mandate from God to disciple the nations. Let's start right here.
Sincerely
David Parker
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
Romans 13:1-7 ESV
+David Parker It should not infuriate you. We are called to obey the authorities unless they demand us to obey man instead of God. Keep in mind the authority Paul talked about in his letters would have been Nero, who later beheaded Paul.
God bless you RC Sproul but Martin Luther was not a monophysite! I'd say Calvin was too close to Nestorianism.
My question is why don't you invite James Jordan, Kenneth Gentry, Gary DeMar, Joel McDurmon, et al., to these panels and conferences? If you want a real round table, invite the Reconstructionists to participate.
Sincerely,
David Parker
The objective of a Christian form of Hegelian dialectics is to manufacture a religion for all; yet, make it appear Christian to a degree. Hegelian dialectics is present in most churches as well as being engraved deeply in culture. This is why liberal churches want to bring culture into the church structure and remove the idea we simply need to believe in the Bible cover to cover as separated and peculiar believers in the Savior. John Calvin believed in general society having worth as it would defeat satan casting him into hell, though he also added Christians into this equation in his commentary on Genesis chapter 3. Calvin did deny Jesus Christ in this eventuality, being a blasphemer of Almighty God and a false prophet. No surprise here!
Because Calvin believed in this soon occurrence, true Calvinists believe satan is in hell today and society is relevant to Christianity. Rick Warren’s religion teaches this as well within his “paradigm shift.” Warren is pro-homosexuality and every evil thing under the sun. He stands with homosexuals assisting him in escorting peace to the earth-a false “kingdom Now” phenomenon of ecumenicalism of so-called believers who reject much in the way of Biblical truths.
Georg Wilhelm Hegel (1770-1831) was about replacing something old with something new. Today it is equated to “e.g., capitalism with communism or Marxism, traditional Bible doctrine with theological modernism, a traditional educational system based on moral absolutes with a new one based on relativism, an old age with a new age, etc.”
Of course this is not new and we read in Ecclesiastes how silly society was in Solomon’s day-always seeking something new, saying come here; this is new or that is new.
Of course, this all arises from the pit of hell. Confronting sin is certainly set apart within the Hegelian mind-set which is now running amok in fellowships. And it sets forth a religion of confusion and God is not a God of confusion. He is a God of never-changing ancient truths. If people want God’s perfect peace they rest in the Scriptures alone, and do not run here and there seeking to be in style or culturally acceptable within satan’s deadly grasp.
I will add, true believers who do not conform to the churchy form of Hegelian dialectics, are usually pushed out of the church, though they are sometimes offered warnings previous to. Of course, God commands Christians to not conform to any aspect of this satanic heresy, which is mainly produced by pastors who want their churches on the map for fame-sake and lucre-sake.
Please watch this video of exposure: ua-cam.com/video/HJUrHkHnVeE/v-deo.html
Val Lee author of "Cliques in the Church" and other publications of “val lee weblog” vallee7.wordpress.com