thnx A lot for sharing the video. it helped me a lot tomorrow i m having exams. i was bad in solving uncertainty but now i can solve every problem of uncertainty. God Bless You.
you sir, just saved my bacon: I've been struggling for a while with the explanations offered at uni and you sum up everything rather conveniently in the space of 10 minutes. Thank you very very much!
Thank u my guy 🥺🥺🥺 am doing A level and I couldn’t understand how my teacher explained uncertainties,but thanks to you i know how to do them now.Love from Birmingham 🇬🇧
This treatment of uncertainty is a bit simplified. For the most part, it will result in somewhat larger uncertainty values than the standard treatment will give. Primarily, you are adding uncertainty components like they are along the same axis, but really they should be added like they are orthogonal components of a vector, and therefore should be added with pythagorean theorem. example: Delta(x+y) = sqrt[ Delta(x)^2 + Delta(y)^2 ] instead of simply Delta(x) + Delta(y) as you have in the video. Similar issue applies with multiplication and division. Wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagation_of_uncertainty quite technical, but thats the underlying approach typically used
I started calculating uncertainties at the Learning Center using the write-ups Alexis Tibbits had for me. I didn't call it uncertainty. I called it interpolation. Anyway, when she figured out I was doing uncertainty calculations she decided to ruin me.
I need help..what if you are given two measurements (length and width)...you are not given the uncertainty as well as the uncertainty percentage...how would you calculate uncertainty??....(the length btw is 4.07 and the width is 2.52)..thanks
You're left with a challenge here. Without uncertainties reported with the measurements, or knowledge of how the measurements were made (caliper? ruler? what units?) you are left with making assumptions. The initial measurements were missing information; no amount of calculation can fix that. There is no real way to give a great answer here. If we make some guesses, we do know that the last digit reported is an estimate, and often the uncertainty is half of the smallest decimal value reported. Since each value has a hundredths decimal, a possible absolute uncertainty would be + or - .005 . This is a big guess, though. If you measure with a ruler, you are matching two ends of a ruler (the zero point and the end point) up with your object. That is two error possibilities, so you would need to double your uncertainty. If you used calipers, only one measurement was made. See where we are stuck? When we start guessing or assuming, we undermine our work. Anyone else have helpful thoughts?
@@pickleporkdork7358 If you took the measurements, what were the smallest divisions on the caliper? Did it show to the tenth place? If so, I recommend using + or - .05 as your uncertainty Your caliper may have come with documentation that indicates it has a narrower range than that, however.
You must multiply your answer by 1000, for 1 kg. is 1000 g., and 1 m. is 100 cm. When you plug in the corresponding values, you get the following: (1/100)/(1/100)^3, which is (10^6)/(10^3), which is 1000. Therefore, you multiply your g/cm^3 value by a factor of 1000 to convert to kg/m^3. Q.E.D.
So if you calculated a value of 2800 which you left to two sig fig, since this was the significant figure of the values used to calculate it (and therefore the highest sig fig we can be accurate to). What happens when you calculate an error of 0.01 for this value should I right them as 2800.00 plus minus 0.01? Or should I write the calculated value of 2800 to a higher degree of accuracy initially?
Its a great video, I made my budget in same way but during the audit of ISO 17025, Auditor is asking me about sensitivity coefficient, can you please upload a lecture on that please?
I think there is an problem with that 4.456 +-.1 to 4 +- 1 I think what you should have done is 4.5 +-1 because the first way you ranges don't even overlap at all
I ran across this article. web.uvic.ca/~jalexndr/192UncertRules.pdf For square rooting, treat it as though you are raising the uncertainty by the power of 1/2 (for example, the square root of 4 is the same thing as 4^(1/2)). Then, you will multiply the relative uncertainty by the power (in this case, 1/2). Example: ( 9g plus or minus 1%)^1/2 = (3g plus or minus .5%)
Mike Astro i guess u say the same number of decimal places...thats true but you cant transform 0.003 to 0.03...u multiply a number by 10 arbitrarily...
@@skatiaris21 You are right. It is 0,003 and not 0,03. So, in the uncertainty is 0,003, the 4,45 must become 4,450 because the uncertainty must be at the same level that the measure. For the rounding, there is a rule (rounding at the even number) that says that if the number to round is even followed by a 5, we let the even number like that. So, 0,035 would become 0,04, but 0,025 would become 0,02.
I had this law but I don’t know how to use it : (delta d) / d = (delta s) / s + (delta g)/g this example was from my mind , but the point is how do we use it ?? Thanks in advance
You're wrong. The uncertainty in the addition and subtraction is the square root of the sum of the squares of the variables. It is not just adding the uncertainties
This is badly wrong. VARIANCES (squares of the standard deviations) are additive, while uncertainties (standard deviations) are not. So to combine uncertainties when adding, you need to square the uncertainties, add them, then take the square root. See any basic stats book. This is one of the first things we learn in a stats class. Colin's video is wrong about the addition case and also wrong about the multiplication case. Don't trust this guy on stats issues.
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thnx A lot for sharing the video. it helped me a lot tomorrow i m having exams. i was bad in solving uncertainty but now i can solve every problem of uncertainty. God Bless You.
@Nathanael Donald Don't fall for this, It's a scam
you sir, just saved my bacon: I've been struggling for a while with the explanations offered at uni and you sum up everything rather conveniently in the space of 10 minutes. Thank you very very much!
Can we just appreciate how perfect the number 7 he wrote at 2:29
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Thank u my guy 🥺🥺🥺 am doing A level and I couldn’t understand how my teacher explained uncertainties,but thanks to you i know how to do them now.Love from Birmingham 🇬🇧
Never realized how widespread IB is
Yeah Columbine does IB as well
at 09:57 , why g/cm3 replaced to only grams?
Thank you so much sir, i got a 100 on my physics 11 just with watching this video the night before my test
ong school in america is so easy i wishhhh i could live there
@@lesdeliresdecharlotte6440 where do you live good sir? france?
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Read comment by Marauder234(for future reference). He is talking about the example at 9:14
5:24 What just happened here? The sound almost went insane
Mans was glitching 😹
How do we convert the volume of 2.50±0.003g/cm³ to kg/m³ ? Need help!
This guy deserves more followers
This video was so helpful and I fully understand it now. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
How did you get the plus/minus values?
first day of IB1 Chem and this saved me! I was so confused until I found out that it was just the uncertainty percentage all along!! :((
IB physics for me. Its damn confusing for the first couple days
This treatment of uncertainty is a bit simplified. For the most part, it will result in somewhat larger uncertainty values than the standard treatment will give. Primarily, you are adding uncertainty components like they are along the same axis, but really they should be added like they are orthogonal components of a vector, and therefore should be added with pythagorean theorem.
example: Delta(x+y) = sqrt[ Delta(x)^2 + Delta(y)^2 ] instead of simply Delta(x) + Delta(y) as you have in the video. Similar issue applies with multiplication and division.
Wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagation_of_uncertainty quite technical, but thats the underlying approach typically used
is there some published paper or some book that verifies the video?
what happenned to your g/cm^3?
You're right: I messed up carrying that onto the next slide. I just added a note. Thanks for the edit!
Marco Polo ji
Thx, i needed this for my physics depth study
why in minute 9:23 the cm cubes goes negative?
Because division is the same as multiplication of the inverse of the number.
I started calculating uncertainties at the Learning Center using the write-ups Alexis Tibbits had for me. I didn't call it uncertainty. I called it interpolation. Anyway, when she figured out I was doing uncertainty calculations she decided to ruin me.
Thank you for saving my physics grade❤
Hi, if I'm calculating an uncertainty of a formula like this: (44.28+|-3m)/sin(71+|-2°) is the way of doing it the same as you showed?
What does .1 mean?
I need help..what if you are given two measurements (length and width)...you are not given the uncertainty as well as the uncertainty percentage...how would you calculate uncertainty??....(the length btw is 4.07 and the width is 2.52)..thanks
You're left with a challenge here. Without uncertainties reported with the measurements, or knowledge of how the measurements were made (caliper? ruler? what units?) you are left with making assumptions. The initial measurements were missing information; no amount of calculation can fix that. There is no real way to give a great answer here.
If we make some guesses, we do know that the last digit reported is an estimate, and often the uncertainty is half of the smallest decimal value reported. Since each value has a hundredths decimal, a possible absolute uncertainty would be + or - .005 . This is a big guess, though. If you measure with a ruler, you are matching two ends of a ruler (the zero point and the end point) up with your object. That is two error possibilities, so you would need to double your uncertainty. If you used calipers, only one measurement was made.
See where we are stuck? When we start guessing or assuming, we undermine our work. Anyone else have helpful thoughts?
@@ckillmerportageps apologies for not fully specifying the question... the measurement were made with a vernier caliper
@@pickleporkdork7358 If you took the measurements, what were the smallest divisions on the caliper? Did it show to the tenth place? If so, I recommend using + or - .05 as your uncertainty Your caliper may have come with documentation that indicates it has a narrower range than that, however.
Hi Colin, how can I convert the unit from g/cm^3 to kg/m^3?
you divide your value by 1000
You must multiply your answer by 1000, for 1 kg. is 1000 g., and 1 m. is 100 cm. When you plug in the corresponding values, you get the following: (1/100)/(1/100)^3, which is (10^6)/(10^3), which is 1000. Therefore, you multiply your g/cm^3 value by a factor of 1000 to convert to kg/m^3. Q.E.D.
thanks I think i get it now... will be able to finish my assignment cheers!
So if you calculated a value of 2800 which you left to two sig fig, since this was the significant figure of the values used to calculate it (and therefore the highest sig fig we can be accurate to). What happens when you calculate an error of 0.01 for this value should I right them as 2800.00 plus minus 0.01? Or should I write the calculated value of 2800 to a higher degree of accuracy initially?
Its a great video, I made my budget in same way but during the audit of ISO 17025, Auditor is asking me about sensitivity coefficient, can you please upload a lecture on that please?
this helped me so muchhh!!!! thank you!
why did the mass change from 25.00 +- .005g to 2.5+- .005g in the example at 7:00
y in multiplying n dividing we take percentage uncertainty?????y not absolute uncertainty?
bit late but its just how it works
I think there is an problem with that 4.456 +-.1 to 4 +- 1 I think what you should have done is 4.5 +-1 because the first way you ranges don't even overlap at all
Thank you very much sir! This helps me a lot.
hello i have a small question how do you found .12%
0.1 %
+ 0.02 %
0.12
Thank u so much! That was so helpful.
how do we calculate the absolute uncertainty of the result if we consider the square root of two variables A and B?
Anyone?
I ran across this article. web.uvic.ca/~jalexndr/192UncertRules.pdf
For square rooting, treat it as though you are raising the uncertainty by the power of 1/2 (for example, the square root of 4 is the same thing as 4^(1/2)). Then, you will multiply the relative uncertainty by the power (in this case, 1/2).
Example:
( 9g plus or minus 1%)^1/2 = (3g plus or minus .5%)
Colin Killmer Thank you so much.
Also, how to find out uncertainities while operating with logarithms?
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At 0:35, it is totally wrong. It should be 4.45 +/- 0.03 g and 4,5 +/- 0.1 g.
your second proposal is correct...the first one is not : if you round 0.0025 it is 0.003..not 0.03
@@skatiaris21 False. The precision of the answer must be the same than the precision of the uncertainty.
Mike Astro must the same of what? retype correctly please
Mike Astro i guess u say the same number of decimal places...thats true but you cant transform 0.003 to 0.03...u multiply a number by 10 arbitrarily...
@@skatiaris21 You are right. It is 0,003 and not 0,03. So, in the uncertainty is 0,003, the 4,45 must become 4,450 because the uncertainty must be at the same level that the measure. For the rounding, there is a rule (rounding at the even number) that says that if the number to round is even followed by a 5, we let the even number like that. So, 0,035 would become 0,04, but 0,025 would become 0,02.
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in 7.48 you calculated the percentage incorrectly, you should 1 divide by 10, not 100
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I had this law but I don’t know how to use it : (delta d) / d = (delta s) / s + (delta g)/g
this example was from my mind , but the point is how do we use it ??
Thanks in advance
finally understood this shit
Thank you
Thank you!!
You're wrong. The uncertainty in the addition and subtraction is the square root of the sum of the squares of the variables. It is not just adding the uncertainties
And this is what I was looking for. Thanks.
You guy are funny, instead saying wrong,go head and help solve it yourself, this will helpfull all student ms Harvard. Thanks
Lanoline, you are right. It is a shame that such videos go unchallenged. They are hurting students.
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This is badly wrong. VARIANCES (squares of the standard deviations) are additive, while uncertainties (standard deviations) are not. So to combine uncertainties when adding, you need to square the uncertainties, add them, then take the square root. See any basic stats book. This is one of the first things we learn in a stats class. Colin's video is wrong about the addition case and also wrong about the multiplication case. Don't trust this guy on stats issues.
like ..who is in 2019???
So helpful