It always amazes me how upset Arin gets over not being able to be more considerate. He is the grump, but wants to be more considerate. There is character nuance here
It just goes to show how well written Arin is as a character and has more emotional depth and complexity than we expected. I can't wait to see how his character develops further as we progress into the story..
@@Mazurecki56 "For some reason" Vaguely is generally considered a negative modifier in english. To be "vaguely on time" means you're barely on time, if at all. To be "vaguely correct" means that you are _just about_ correct, or correct solely on a technicality. It's not them not understanding, it's a translation issue.
This game accurately captures Japanese culture in that even when you think you’re being considerate, you actually did something minor wrong and everyone secretly thinks you’re an inconsiderate jerk.
This can be true but honestly, as a resident of Japan, people care more about your vibes and “looking considerate” than being some perfect person. Being extra sorry even if you don’t mess up gives you extra points.
@@BrilliantHandle if saying sorry is all it takes to be considerate in japan then as someone with chronic anxiety i’d be the most fucking considerate person imaginable lol
@@candyzombiee It’s a double-edged sword but chronic anxiety is basically the cultural norm so people who are neurodivergent in certain ways have an easier time with immigration and integration.
On the one hand, according to the scoring system, Arin is getting more of these right than he thinks. On the other hand, it is very in line with this game (and Japanese culture) that even if you get a majority of them right, it's still not good enough to get any higher praise than "vaguely" or "moderately"
Like how when Japanese people are rating restaurants and stuff, 3/5 stars is your average “good food, nothing to complain about” but in America, that would get at least a 4 or even 5 star rating lol
Might be South East Asian thing as 3/5 is a pass, or "mid" as the youths call it. You get what you pay for, nothing less, nothing more. 4/5 or 5/5 is when there's something extra or better than expected which is how it appears to be in a -/5 rating.
@@lizzzylavender yeah, but the way that algorithms work with yelp and stuff, anything less than a 5 can be very damaging, which just helps to intensify this behaviour
@@pandalover900which is maddening, when people score like movies and games and a 7/10 is like “oh so it’s bad” WHAT??? 7/10 BY THE METRIC IS BETTER THAN AVERAGE
i think it's funny that arin INSISTED that the jingle meant something throughout the entire game despite having no reason to believe that and a huge amount of proof that it means nothing
Thing is, if you watch their past videos in this series, it clearly does have a correct and incorrect noise- just not on the single player mode. idk why, but it's only in the 2 player mode for some reason.
I want someone to go through every scene in this game and explain every aspect of it. How to be "considerate" according to the game, how it fits within Japanese culture, etc.
16:14 This one is a reference to the culture of Nagori Oshii, which is one of those obtuse Japanese culture things that dictates that you should express a reluctance to say goodbye in order to express your appreciation for the other party's presence. Practically speaking, it means if someone is leaving on a train or car, you should wave until the vehicle is no longer visible. Since in the minigame they're walking away from each other, I assume what you're supposed to do is turn around and wave goodbye exactly 3 times as you move further away each time (for some reason it has to be EXACTLY 3 times). If you want a good example of this in anime, Non Non Biyori has a scene where this happens, and it's completely nonsensical in Western culture, but would look completely normal to a Japanese viewer. Look up "Renge Onee-chan + Infinity bye-bye" for the scene. edit* what I meant was nonsensical was the fact that you wave EXACTLY 3 times, and somehow this is common knowledge despite being an unspoken rule.
hahaha japanese and latino culture intersect in this! at least in puerto rico, it's very normal to be reluctant when saying goodbye and to repeat the goodbye multiple times. ofc not everyone does this, but almost everyone does and it feels when you/the other person doesnt
In the US we have what's called a Midwest Goodbye which is essentially saying goodbye several times and then continuing to engage in conversation. I think it's cute that different cultures have different versions of the same idea, "I like your presence enough I don't want to leave."
Arin slashing the glowing in bamboo princess in two was a glowing endorsement that he was bamboozled when it came to him being labeled highly considerate.
@@AgentLane13 Hope you never complain about anything ever, because oh-oh you are not allowed to watch/consume it anymore without you being questioned about i.
The girl in the bamboo realoo is based off a Japanese folktale, The Moon Princess, I think? Arin killing her by slicing the bamboo really took things to another level.
The problem is that these are all Japanese public courtesy tropes that surprisingly don't exist or fit in to many other cultures or traditional public courtesy tropes of other countries outside of Japan - They have a particular way of doing almost everything in Japan and this game expresses those things but to a foreigner its completely vague.
I don't think thats fair. Most of his problems come from either being impatient or the minigame not being clear to anyone. Like how many people really know that the person was sneezing?
That’s a tough one though. His logic is 100% correct, a cat coming into your dancing video and dancing would get WAY more views. Cats are the internet’s favorite thing ever by far.
How bad do you think it would mess with a person to hear "When the final leaf falls my time has come." And then look outside and see a leaf fall off the tree and then fly back up and reattach to the tree? Also I think Arin is still confusing being nice with being considerate. Sometimes he's gotta think about himself
Just for reference, "plainly considerate" is 5/5 considerate actions. "Very vaguely considerate" is 3/5 considerate actions. As far as I can tell, I think the game only ding dongs in multiplayer mode, but I could be wrong.
GameGrumps Lunch Break Chronicles, Day 381: Had a chicken taco for lunch today, honestly not bad. In no way authentic, just leftovers from a white people taco night. 8/10.
The really considerate thing to do would be to challenge yourselves to be more considerate on another run through AND/OR considerate together. That would be really considerate Arin and the fans would give you the bing bong for sure!
I find it really hard to watch these because these types of games truly test Arin's ability to quickly understand ambiguous instructions. And he, as we all know, absolutely detests instructions. Lol
I like how the judgement for Arin's considerate level is being based on highly unrealistic moments of being an inanimate objects like straws, bathroom signs, and a single piece in a video game.
Arin trying 2 of 3 ticket gates before giving up is peak Game Grump. If only there were some third, untested option without the wifi/epay symbol hmmm.....
Oh gosh, so I watched a video about unspoken societal rules in Japan recently. The "They're expecting us at 3pm" made me internally scream. In Japan being "on time" is considered "late" On time is considered an hour to half an hour early and it's very rude otherwise.
If anyone is curious on the score system. Arin does generally pretty well. Plainly considerate: All five are considerate Considerably considerate: All five are correct, but you made a minor mistake in timing Moderately considerate: Four Considerate Very vaguely considerate: Three considerate In some way or another, considerate: Two considerate
I think the idea is not everything you do in the heat on the moment can be perfect and there is Nuance to every action to take in a social setting. OR, arin is just Very VERY Vaguely considerate.
i would like to see how dan does at this now to see if "not so grump" changes the variables enough for at least ONE of them to be a considerate human being.
I know it says "finale" buuuuut... Wouldn't it be _considerate_ of the Grumps to do one more episode with two-player mode???
This is the one time I'd be ok with them using a walkthrough
Or Inconsiderate mode instead?
This is Vaguely considerate
I’m actually mad that Arin refused to read “inconsiderate mode.”
a bit inconsiderate of you to ask this... It's gonna lower Arin's consideration scores if he doesn't now
It always amazes me how upset Arin gets over not being able to be more considerate. He is the grump, but wants to be more considerate. There is character nuance here
Sounds like ludonarrative dissonance to me
@@michaelbarry6575 Sounds like somebody just watched a video essay.
But he’s the videogame boy! He’s the one who wins.
Getting grump over being too grump to handle
It just goes to show how well written Arin is as a character and has more emotional depth and complexity than we expected. I can't wait to see how his character develops further as we progress into the story..
It's funny because based on the scoring system, arin actually IS considerate
Very Vaguely = 3/5 correct
Moderately = 4/5 correct
Whats the perfect score
@@jaydenbuchanan8083 I believe the best you can get is Plainly Considerate, which is 5/5 correct:)
Their confusion stems from the fact that they consider the word "vaguely" to be negative for some reason
@@Mazurecki56 "For some reason"
Vaguely is generally considered a negative modifier in english. To be "vaguely on time" means you're barely on time, if at all. To be "vaguely correct" means that you are _just about_ correct, or correct solely on a technicality.
It's not them not understanding, it's a translation issue.
@@designator7402 Yeah, a better scoring system would be:
5/5 "Considerably considerate."
4/5 "Quite considerate."
3/5 "Fairly considerate."
2/5 "Somewhat considerate."
1/5 "Hardly considerate."
0/5 "In considerate."
This game accurately captures Japanese culture in that even when you think you’re being considerate, you actually did something minor wrong and everyone secretly thinks you’re an inconsiderate jerk.
This can be true but honestly, as a resident of Japan, people care more about your vibes and “looking considerate” than being some perfect person. Being extra sorry even if you don’t mess up gives you extra points.
@@BrilliantHandle if saying sorry is all it takes to be considerate in japan then as someone with chronic anxiety i’d be the most fucking considerate person imaginable lol
@@BrilliantHandle id be totally fine in japan telling everyone sorry and shit... im just a gaijin guys, sorry...
@@Terminally_Radical lol that is called the “gaijin pass” and it works for tourists but not for life-long immigrants like me.
@@candyzombiee It’s a double-edged sword but chronic anxiety is basically the cultural norm so people who are neurodivergent in certain ways have an easier time with immigration and integration.
Kuukiyomi 4 is the 283rd game the Grumps have beaten. Good job Clumsy Girl. How considerate!
Your hard work is much appreciated 🙏
Thank you for all of your hard work. You are a gentleman and a literal scholar.
This is poetry Ian.
🫡
I’ve heard them talk about you a lot over the years but I’ve somehow never seen one of your comments until just now. That’s awesome.
The last one, number 100, was showing that the main character did, in fact, become a hero, by being considerate and covering for a co-worker.
yeah, it was so cute, I found it actually heartwarming
On the one hand, according to the scoring system, Arin is getting more of these right than he thinks. On the other hand, it is very in line with this game (and Japanese culture) that even if you get a majority of them right, it's still not good enough to get any higher praise than "vaguely" or "moderately"
Like how when Japanese people are rating restaurants and stuff, 3/5 stars is your average “good food, nothing to complain about” but in America, that would get at least a 4 or even 5 star rating lol
Might be South East Asian thing as 3/5 is a pass, or "mid" as the youths call it. You get what you pay for, nothing less, nothing more. 4/5 or 5/5 is when there's something extra or better than expected which is how it appears to be in a -/5 rating.
@@lizzzylavender yeah, but the way that algorithms work with yelp and stuff, anything less than a 5 can be very damaging, which just helps to intensify this behaviour
@@pandalover900which is maddening, when people score like movies and games and a 7/10 is like “oh so it’s bad” WHAT??? 7/10 BY THE METRIC IS BETTER THAN AVERAGE
i think it's funny that arin INSISTED that the jingle meant something throughout the entire game despite having no reason to believe that and a huge amount of proof that it means nothing
I believe it too
Thing is, if you watch their past videos in this series, it clearly does have a correct and incorrect noise- just not on the single player mode. idk why, but it's only in the 2 player mode for some reason.
I want someone to go through every scene in this game and explain every aspect of it. How to be "considerate" according to the game, how it fits within Japanese culture, etc.
Seconded. Need me a three hour video going over the whole series. òwó
Consider it Together! Consider it Together!!!
They should definitely consider it.
16:14 This one is a reference to the culture of Nagori Oshii, which is one of those obtuse Japanese culture things that dictates that you should express a reluctance to say goodbye in order to express your appreciation for the other party's presence. Practically speaking, it means if someone is leaving on a train or car, you should wave until the vehicle is no longer visible. Since in the minigame they're walking away from each other, I assume what you're supposed to do is turn around and wave goodbye exactly 3 times as you move further away each time (for some reason it has to be EXACTLY 3 times). If you want a good example of this in anime, Non Non Biyori has a scene where this happens, and it's completely nonsensical in Western culture, but would look completely normal to a Japanese viewer. Look up "Renge Onee-chan + Infinity bye-bye" for the scene.
edit* what I meant was nonsensical was the fact that you wave EXACTLY 3 times, and somehow this is common knowledge despite being an unspoken rule.
I got used to it through anime but it is still weird to wave while going away and not even facing the other person 😂
hahaha japanese and latino culture intersect in this! at least in puerto rico, it's very normal to be reluctant when saying goodbye and to repeat the goodbye multiple times. ofc not everyone does this, but almost everyone does and it feels when you/the other person doesnt
I feel like that scene you mentioned was playing it for comedy? Or at least the character indulging in the moment.
In the US we have what's called a Midwest Goodbye which is essentially saying goodbye several times and then continuing to engage in conversation. I think it's cute that different cultures have different versions of the same idea, "I like your presence enough I don't want to leave."
we don't do that in the west? we do it on tv...
Arin got so nervous when it looked like they were setting up the "grave of Fireflies" looking scene. We all have PTSD
Arin: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M NOT CONSIDERATE?!"
Also Arin: "i'm a lil chaos gremlin throwing plates everywhere as a cat serving tray robot"
Arin slashing the glowing in bamboo princess in two was a glowing endorsement that he was bamboozled when it came to him being labeled highly considerate.
Yeah, he straight up bisected little Kaguya-hime.
Another episode of Arin not understanding that this mode doesn't give feedback 😂
Another episode of Arin not realizing that constantly complaining about something because he doesn't understand it is exhausting
@@totalrefanwhy do you even watch game grumps then?
REALLY?? 🤣
but it ding-dongs sometimes!!
@@AgentLane13 Hope you never complain about anything ever, because oh-oh you are not allowed to watch/consume it anymore without you being questioned about i.
There was a "Inconsiderate mode" after completing it. Maybe that would be more Arin's speed?
They didn't even consider it together this time. We were robbed 😭
Not very considerate of them. 😔
The girl in the bamboo realoo is based off a Japanese folktale, The Moon Princess, I think?
Arin killing her by slicing the bamboo really took things to another level.
Princess Kaguya, yes. The one with the screen and the person who was weaving behind it is based on The Crane Wife.
The problem is that these are all Japanese public courtesy tropes that surprisingly don't exist or fit in to many other cultures or traditional public courtesy tropes of other countries outside of Japan - They have a particular way of doing almost everything in Japan and this game expresses those things but to a foreigner its completely vague.
I don't think thats fair. Most of his problems come from either being impatient or the minigame not being clear to anyone. Like how many people really know that the person was sneezing?
Arin: "Why did I fail?? Everyone loves a dancing cat!!"
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO ARIN.
Thats why he isn't considerate!
@@madhippy3correction - that's why he's very vaguely considerate.
@@lv26Phoenix 100% defeated
That’s a tough one though. His logic is 100% correct, a cat coming into your dancing video and dancing would get WAY more views. Cats are the internet’s favorite thing ever by far.
I wonder if this is the episode that Arin realizes you dont get the little sound cue in single-player mode
not till the very end.
How bad do you think it would mess with a person to hear "When the final leaf falls my time has come." And then look outside and see a leaf fall off the tree and then fly back up and reattach to the tree?
Also I think Arin is still confusing being nice with being considerate. Sometimes he's gotta think about himself
Arin’s immediate ‘oh no’ at 10:33 killed me
17:14 Dan’s YeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAHHGHHHHHHH!!!!! While the sun slowly rising up 😂😂
Just for reference, "plainly considerate" is 5/5 considerate actions. "Very vaguely considerate" is 3/5 considerate actions. As far as I can tell, I think the game only ding dongs in multiplayer mode, but I could be wrong.
GameGrumps Lunch Break Chronicles, Day 381:
Had a chicken taco for lunch today, honestly not bad. In no way authentic, just leftovers from a white people taco night. 8/10.
Wait hold on I just realized who you are! I thought the lunch break guy was somebody unrelated, but I've watched your compilations!
Small world.
Very nice, had barbecue today. From one of my favorite spots but it did not hit today unfortunately. 5/10
nice i had a pizza pop deluxe, it was mid wish i had eaten 2
Great day, killing it man!
hey black people eat tacos too
This is the equivalent of a Japanese trainer coaching an American, but their only means of functional communication is via *Google Translate*
Anyone that shows up 5 minutes early for a home visit is a demon
WAS NO. 78 A FREAKING GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES REFERENCE, THAT IS NOT AT ALL CONSIDERATE, GAME
but omg i choked lmfao
It's like the third or fourth one in this game alone
They're a reoccurring pair in this series
Also Princess Kaguya in this episode or that scene of Castle in the Sky where Pazu is holding the floating Sheeta in an earlier episode
every section with the two poor brothers is a reference to that film. makes all the ones where theyre hungry all the more upsetting 😅
🎶 Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I goon on company time 🎶
I love when Arin gets defensive about how considerate he is. Like if he argues hard enough he can debate the game into giving him a better score.
What's actually vaguely considerate is that you put this in 2 parts instead of 1
Dan's "Hercule Poirot" mention made me laugh
Welcome back to “Arin Wants to Be Perfect on the First Try, Every Time”
"Give me a little warning!!!!"
Arin... they did. They even gave you a countdown!
I thought I'd be the only one to hear Thriller in that level but Dan has my back
the lacroix of consideration
being considerate and having anxiety go hand in hand
The really considerate thing to do would be to challenge yourselves to be more considerate on another run through AND/OR considerate together. That would be really considerate Arin and the fans would give you the bing bong for sure!
Posted one minute ago? Very considerate timing!
"If you rescue a crane a beautiful lady appears" - I now understand the first Donganranpa.
????
@@_-drowsy-_ Sayaka tells that story to Makoto as a joke in the beginning of the first game, saying she's a crane
@ I did not remember that at all lol
I find it really hard to watch these because these types of games truly test Arin's ability to quickly understand ambiguous instructions. And he, as we all know, absolutely detests instructions. Lol
Also his impatience. Even when he gets it he can sabotage himself very quickly by continuing to fidget.
He was doing fine, you weirdo.
It's a weird game about local courtesy, but I do love this series and I hope you guys come back to it in the future!
11:01 'CRUNCH RODRIGUEZ!" I can't breathe!
the ding ding is in the Kuukiyomi together Arin.
I was just watching all of these Kuukiyomi videos and I’m happy to see more
I like how the judgement for Arin's considerate level is being based on highly unrealistic moments of being an inanimate objects like straws, bathroom signs, and a single piece in a video game.
"I screwed all this up and I don't know how!"
Arin...
12:10 I like that Arin signs the boss’ retirement card with Uzumaki.
Surely Arin understands that the lack of specific feedback is part of demonstrating consideration
Arin trying 2 of 3 ticket gates before giving up is peak Game Grump. If only there were some third, untested option without the wifi/epay symbol hmmm.....
Crunch Rodriguez lives rent free in my head
Ooh best thing to watch at the hospital!
You ok?
I'll be ok at this point. I'm just waiting for the doc. But I get to watch new GG, so that's pretty cool.
@@lauramerrill7753 watch some GG while getting some sort of surgery instead
@ prayers for you Laura
They're definitely referencing Grave of the Fireflies, and that's not very considerate.
I've never seen someone go from such a confident high, to then existential dread, ever. I would love to watch a fresh play of factorio however
Oh gosh, so I watched a video about unspoken societal rules in Japan recently. The "They're expecting us at 3pm" made me internally scream. In Japan being "on time" is considered "late" On time is considered an hour to half an hour early and it's very rude otherwise.
the entire country of Japan would actually kill me then
On this day, we are all very vaguely considerate.
“Sneezus Christ”, bless you aMEN
I would rather watch these guys fumble through a game than what someone play it perfectly
If anyone is curious on the score system. Arin does generally pretty well.
Plainly considerate: All five are considerate
Considerably considerate: All five are correct, but you made a minor mistake in timing
Moderately considerate: Four Considerate
Very vaguely considerate: Three considerate
In some way or another, considerate: Two considerate
This got me wanting to see the grumps play "The Rub Rabbits!"
why is it always the kids from grave of fire flies💀
😂 Can't wait to see you fellas try a run doing everything intentionally wrong.
i am SO high and arin is NOT being very considerate
Nothing like being vaguely considerate :-)
on the stats screen it looked like there was a way to view detailed results
Please considerate together
Arin's lack of understanding makes for the best playthoughs😊
His problem is that he over extends his consideration to a point of being annoying sometimes... and says "whats considerate, I DON'T KNOW!!!"
10:49 YAY I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE MAKING THAT JOKE😭
Was not expecting a "Grave of the Fireflies" reference.
Dan referencing Val Garland is amazing 😂
The Brother and little sister with the fireflies is a reference to Grave of the Fireflies 💀💀💀
I love Insecure Credit Scroll.
Crunch Rodriguez is my new nickname, oh my god I can’t breathe
I'm patiently waiting for the animated videos of this.
More please 😂. This was amazing
Sadly, life doesn't come with inbuilt fanfares every time you do something nice
I'm so vaguely proud.
It's very considerate of you to play this game again.
I was just now years old when I found out David Lynch passed away, very considerate of the Grumps to upload during my time of crisis.
Wtf, he did?!
It happened just today. Can't believe this is how I'm learning about it.
May he rest in peace.
No together mode???!?!??
?
Arin is just so funny when he panics!🤣
I think the idea is not everything you do in the heat on the moment can be perfect and there is Nuance to every action to take in a social setting.
OR, arin is just Very VERY Vaguely considerate.
what a considerate take.
Welp that settles it Arin is vaguely considerate FOREVER!!!
10:30 grave of the fireflies!
Arin be cracking me up how he will purposely do the wrong thing over and over, but then complains about being vaguely considerate. Lmao
10:30 omg if you understand the reference, send me your tears in the replies.
i'm dying for them to do the inconsiderate mode
The tag one wants you to catch the slower kid so he doesn't have to run anymore!
I NEED to see them play Inconsiderate Mode.
I had the same reaction to the kids with the fireflies...
Not very considerate to not considerate together Mr grump.
Arin ruined that ending tbh..
i would like to see how dan does at this now to see if "not so grump" changes the variables enough for at least ONE of them to be a considerate human being.
Arin the Japanese expert doesn’t know about japanese culture “rules”
It would be far more considerate to do one more of these in Consider It Together mode
10:15 - Wow, how futuristic, they're now including VTubers
11:04 13:02 17:17 - Hahahaha
25:42 - Hahahaha, jesus christ, Arin
Please. PLAY MORE OF THIS WITH DANNY BBBOOOOOOYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉
20:35 did anyone else thing he was gonna jump for a second…