Magnifique !! La musique tient ici le milieu entre la nature matérielle et la nature intellectuelle. Elle peut dépouiller l'amour de son écorce terrestre ou donner un corps à l'ange selon les dispositions de celui qui écoute, ses accords sont des pensées, des cicatrices ou des caresses 🔥🕊
It makes me really sad to think of Nadia's unfulfilled genius as a composer. She stopped writing after Lili died, and she once told Fauré, who disapproved of her decision, "If there is one thing of which I am certain, it is that my music is worthless." Dear Nadia, may your soul rest in peace. You continue to exist in the countless people you have taught and inspired, all the lives you have touched, talents you have unleashed and great music you helped fulfill.
I agree that the loss of Nadia Boulanger's potential is sad.But, her thought lives through her students. She literally changed my life...in spite of my brief time with her. I am forever grateful to her!!
That's wonderful. I have read about her impact on her students through a biography written on Astor Piazzolla. She was a turning point in his development, and encouraged him to embrace tango unabashedly in order to find "his voice" as a composer. That alone speaks volumes of her dedication as a teacher and mentor. You were so fortunate...
Je découvre cette compositrice (en découvrant qu'elle a aussi formé tous les compositeurs américains du XXè!!), c'est vraiment dommage qu'elle n'ait pas plus composé que cela. Merci pour toutes ces musiques.
Nadia Boulanger ( 9/16/1887 - 10/22/1997, 93+ ) , French composer and conductor ) was probably the greatest composition teacher in Western music history. Many important 20th century composers were her students.
One 20th composer was aided by NOT becoming her student. George Gershwin spent an afternoon with Madam Boulanger. She sent him away saying that Gershwin would lose his way musically, if he spent too much time with her. What a wise teacher.
She clearly undervalued her ability as a composer - being the sister of Lili B must have been humbling. What a mercy that she dedicated herself to teaching. The works of her pupils are her memorial..
Nadia should have developed HER OWN talent. She put herself aside for her sister Lily and then her students. I want to cry at the loss. She was too self-critical! I love you Nadia and thank you!
I'm not agree. Her talent is in her students: Piazzolla, Jones, Glass, etc. A part of the best music of century XX was composed by the students of her. That is very, very awesome.... The touch that they lacked is the work of her....... That for me is more impressive than being a composer.
Thank you! This music connects me to my past because my jazz piano teacher Fred Valdez studied with Nadia Boulenger in Paris just after WWII while he was stationed there with the U.S. Army. He spent several lessons on Debussy's Clair de Lune, and we, in turn, spent time in breaking down the music harmonically and rhythemically. The Rhapsody on your site has brought her full circle in my life. Many thanks!
Her love for music, her knowledge and her personal style would have yielded much of great music, yet one should take into account her circumstances. Her father died when she was very young and she started earning as soon as possible, also for the sake of her mother and her sister. Then she could not get a scholarship that her sister was granted for. Her music was not recognised and understood by those who decided who will be able to earn living by composing or playing. I heard her say in the video that her music was "inutile". This does not mean "worthless", I think she wanted to say that it "could not be used", I suppose it could be interpreted as in the sense to support her and her loved ones. It was very convenient for those who benefited from her spirit to assign her a role of a teacher and assistant instead of admiting her a possibility to achieve and attain a position that she would have deserved. But yet she speaks to us; even if only one work survived. Clearly she was much more than a teacher.
The immense symphonic support in this work makes is as much a symphony as a concerto. It would be a great vehicle for a smaller orchestra with a fine but not renowned soloist. I would love to hear it done.
I agree She was as great as her sister. Teaching properly anything you must know your subject very well. She had to provide for her family at a very young age.
Basically, Lili was the composer and Nadia the teacher. However, Nadia composed a few works when she was young but as she was not satisfied with the results she completely stopped composing afterwards. Anyway thanks for your comments and enjoy the music. Cheers from sunny Toulouse. Jean-Christian
This has the modern sense of melody you hear in film music but much more intricate. I mean she probably taught a whole lot of the modern film composers.
@@kimsahl8555 Had "Little Nadia" lived, she may have been the equal of other great composers. We'll never know because she died at a young age, and had she lived, would have encountered pervasive gender discrimination. Civilization's loss on two counts.
@@stillstanding6031 In time there was no great woman composer, in our time there is't no great computer composer either. Trying to make a little one great will not succeed.
There's craftsmanship and then there's character and personality. It's rare to find both together. Nadia Boulanger's compositions were not considered remarkable in her time (she said this herself) still they are of better quality than most current stuff.
From Wikipedia; Among her students were those who became leading composers, soloists, arrangers, and conductors, including Aaron Copland, Roy Harris, Virgil Thomson, Darius Milhaud, Elliott Carter, David Diamond, Dinu Lipatti, Igor Markevitch, İdil Biret, Daniel Barenboim, John Eliot Gardiner, Philip Glass, Lalo Schifrin, Astor Piazzolla, Quincy Jones, and Michel Legrand. Her female students, whose chances in the 20th century for recognition were significantly lower than that of the men, include notable American composers such as Louise Talma, Elaine Bearer, Eugenie Kuffler, Elise Grant Cieslak, and Anne Robertson.
Thank you! This music connects me to my past because my jazz piano teacher Fred Valdez studied with Nadia Boulenger in Paris just after WWII while he was stationed there with the U.S. Army. He spent several lessons on Debussy's Clair de Lune, and we, in turn, spent time in breaking down the music harmonically and rhythemically. The Rhapsody on your site has brought her full circle in my life. Many thanks! drksenior
Merci beaucoup de mettre cette passionnante Fantaisie de Nadia Boulanger en ligne ! J’aimerais connaître le nom du pianiste, de l’orchestre et du chef d’orchestre ! Très belle interprétation également. Le talent compte pour faire connaître des œuvres sans les disqualifier. Merci d’avance pour votre réponse !
This is a composition that deserves to be taken very seriously. It has high standards and I think it achieves it¨s goal. A pity that she could not live off her writing. She was a great and versatile teacher. Among her pupils are Aaron Copland, Dinu Lipatti and Astor Piazzola.
wonderful! do you happen to know how they got around the extensive revisions Boulanger made in the score? I've read that these extensive revisions made the score unplayable, but that clearly isn't true here. Any info on that? Thanks!
This music had been used as example in the italian youtube cultural video "Lezioni di Musica - Le Donne nella Musica" of the channel "musicamonteverde". Is a really very very interesting video.
peccato non siano citati gli interpreti...come altrove.Chi la scopre resta monco...poichè è molto importante nel percorso di questa grande Artista amante della didattica sapere Chi imbastisce e Tesse la ragnatela della sua creatività in maniera così chimica verso le intenzioni fulminanti della sua creatrice.Sono emozionato poichè quando ero a Parigi sedicenne ebbi modo di assistere ad una Sua lezione sull'Improvvisazione...e poi alla radio ascoltai per puro caso il Requiem di Poulenc diretto da lei credo da New York...alla Carnegie Hall?...e qui riconosco quel suo parlare...per me arabo..delle cadenze?Sono commosso...trovarla nel mare Magnun della musica...sia benedetto il Tubo. Chapeau a chi posta queste perle.lunga vita..
Quand le monde fléchit autour de soi, quand les structures d’une civilisation vacillent, il est bon de revenir à ce qui, dans l’histoire, ne fléchit pas, mais au contraire redresse le courage, rassemble les séparés, pacifie sans meurtrir. Il est bon de rappeler que le génie de la création est lui aussi à l’œuvre dans une histoire vouée à la destruction 👀
I have none of the in-depth knowledge of musical composition that many of the commenters here have. It was an off-hand comment somewhere which drew me here. So this is my first exposure to Nadia Boulanger; and I feel like someone who's been used to two-buck chuck tasting a Bruno Giacosa red-label Riserva Barolo.
How fascinating to hear a major work from one the 20th Century's most influential musicians. Do you know anything about the score used for this recording? My understanding is that Mme. Boulanger's revisions and rewrites were so extensive (she was never happy with the piece) as to make it unplayable.
OK I maybe an ignorant - I had no chance to get any music education at all. The only access to classic music that I have is my ears. For some reason, I also like classic music. Despite my total ignorance =) So I like this piece! Why it reminds me to Aleksandr Skryabin, I don't know. It just does. I guess because it was the same era in history ... but what do I know.
is there a conceptual element in musical analysis which is more important than any other such element ? is timbre more elemental than melody ? are these false questions ? are there such elements at all ? are these useful questions ?
@@truthlivingetc88 You know. It's not Nadia Boulanger who's playing actually. It's also why i would like to analyse this piece, to even go more far on the understanding of this piece. Even in piece less complexe in harmony. Like some Mozart's Sonata etc etc etc... It's ALWAYS more interesting to see the score rather than only listen (Interpretation). And might be i am pianist and would like to play it ? Might be the fact to listen and read in same time give me still more emotion ? Might be that the fact to understand EACH NOTES in Classical music is Really important for someone who can actually Read ? Might be i would like to read for imagine my own interpretation ? Might be in the World of Music you have different type of people ? The Musician ? The listener ? The dreamer ? The Analyser ? The Critic ? ETC ETC ..... Who am i ? Might be all of this ... I don't know about (False question) Or (True Question) But i think that my (Lust) (Will) to search her Scores are more important that your Stupid question and what you think is Essential or not.
She was a wild wild wild woman for her day! My quantum-entangled sister, I suppose! But just like family members of geniuses, I am not that celebrated a sibling.
Just read her Wikipedia entry and it almost totally ignores her work as a composer. Hopefully some Wikipedia contributor will rectify that regrettable but hardly surprising omission.
It's strange, but I think many of the best theorists and teachers start out wanting to become composers, but they get seduced by the study of music, which is of course an endless persuit. I think, often, they'd give and learn as much or more by example than by teaching analysis, etc. I mean, when we analyse composers music, do we learn as much as we would if we tried to put ourselves in their shoes?
good thinking. There's an old english proverb which expresses a similar thought " if you want to learn -teach. the tragedy is most people are so precoccupied with money - either because of lack, or excess, of it, that they quite simply haven't the foggiest notion of either.
163/5000 She wrote quite well, but her sister Lili could be a genius ifshe didn't die so young. Lili has a much deeper scope. Nadia's credit is more in that pedagogical activity.
I hear nothing in this piece as demonstration against what Boulanger said, i.e. she had well-learned the craft and had a fine command of it, but, in her own words, "I realized I had absolutely nothing to say." What she composed until she stopped is 'well-written,' blandly generic -- and unmemorable. She more than made a huge and lasting mark on music as a teacher.
that's probably because he knows music better than you and has better ears than yours, more aware of musical conventions... he's right: this music is well written and pretty conventional - her sister Lili was far more interesting, unlukly she died too young for knowing whether she could be a good composer. I appreciate that Nadia Boulanger was so wise to understand her limits. it's so rare.
She underestimated herself, probably as a coping mechanism after losing her sister and wanting to protect her mother from the memory. You're underestimating her, too, but you have no such excuse. I will certainly remember this piece. 7777Scion is right - your ears are made of tin and you're tasteless; I'll add to that that your head is a box of rocks.
According to what I am able to listen (if I can say that, cause the quality of recording is obviously not your best) through your channel, I guess you're probably kidding.
@@oosallytomatooo1321 I doubt he is kidding. I agree with him. There is nothing here but a list of musical cliches strung together with stylistic hints from Rachmaninov, early Debussy, Frank, and many others, but without their flare. It is also bland, plodding and lacking in originality, and full of predictably cod-climaxes. I have no doubt she was a competent musician technically but her decision to abandon composition was a good one.
@@fingerhorn4 I agree ...pleasant but not engaging...sort of a nondescript classical elevator music with themes that are short lived, trite and go nowhere.
Magnifique !! La musique tient ici le milieu entre la nature matérielle et la nature intellectuelle. Elle peut dépouiller l'amour de son écorce terrestre ou donner un corps à l'ange selon les dispositions de celui qui écoute, ses accords sont des pensées, des cicatrices ou des caresses 🔥🕊
It makes me really sad to think of Nadia's unfulfilled genius as a composer. She stopped writing after Lili died, and she once told Fauré, who disapproved of her decision, "If there is one thing of which I am certain, it is that my music is worthless." Dear Nadia, may your soul rest in peace. You continue to exist in the countless people you have taught and inspired, all the lives you have touched, talents you have unleashed and great music you helped fulfill.
beautiful words as an hommage to a great artist
I've always heard of her as a teacher. And now I'm falling in love with her magnificent music!
Take a look at her amazing biography by Leonie Rosenstiel: Nadia Boulanger: A life in music. It's available online.
I agree that the loss of Nadia Boulanger's potential is sad.But, her thought lives through her students. She literally changed my life...in spite of my brief time with her. I am forever grateful to her!!
That's wonderful. I have read about her impact on her students through a biography written on Astor Piazzolla. She was a turning point in his development, and encouraged him to embrace tango unabashedly in order to find "his voice" as a composer. That alone speaks volumes of her dedication as a teacher and mentor. You were so fortunate...
I guess I am kinda off topic but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released series online ?
@Iker Alfonso lately I have been using FlixZone. Just google for it =)
@Axel Blaine Definitely, I've been watching on Flixzone for years myself :D
@Axel Blaine thank you, I went there and it seems like a nice service :D I appreciate it !
bravo! unique... outer worldly music, shame we never got to hear much more from Nadia
I'm 44 ,I live and grew up in Paris ,and I just discovered her and her sister this morning !!! whaou
Check out the video narrated by Quincy Jones -- Mademoiselle: A portrait...ua-cam.com/video/IdiBa9HhjZ0/v-deo.html
Je découvre cette compositrice (en découvrant qu'elle a aussi formé tous les compositeurs américains du XXè!!), c'est vraiment dommage qu'elle n'ait pas plus composé que cela. Merci pour toutes ces musiques.
Elle a dit qu'elle n'était pas une très bonne compositrice à contrario de sa soeur Lili Boulanger.
Nadia Boulanger ( 9/16/1887 - 10/22/1997, 93+ ) , French composer and conductor ) was probably the greatest composition teacher in Western music history. Many important 20th century composers were her students.
The date is wrong for her death, she died in 1979. 1997 would put her at 110 years old!
@@richpeeps515 It was a typo.
@@josephyeh5814 I thought so, just wanted to make sure.
One 20th composer was aided by NOT becoming her student. George Gershwin spent an afternoon with Madam Boulanger. She sent him away saying that Gershwin would lose his way musically, if he spent too much time with her. What a wise teacher.
@@stillstanding6031 it's interesting to note Ravel had a similar response when Gerswhin asked him to become his teacher.
She clearly undervalued her ability as a composer - being the sister of Lili B must have been humbling. What a mercy that she dedicated herself to teaching. The works of her pupils are her memorial..
Nadia should have developed HER OWN talent. She put herself aside for her sister Lily and then her students. I want to cry at the loss. She was too self-critical! I love you Nadia and thank you!
One does what one has to, honors one's responsibilities. The fact that many of us are finding her work is a reward, too late, but better than never.
I'm not agree. Her talent is in her students: Piazzolla, Jones, Glass, etc. A part of the best music of century XX was composed by the students of her. That is very, very awesome.... The touch that they lacked is the work of her....... That for me is more impressive than being a composer.
Thank you! This music connects me to my past because my jazz piano teacher Fred Valdez studied with Nadia Boulenger in Paris just after WWII while he was stationed there with the U.S. Army. He spent several lessons on Debussy's Clair de Lune, and we, in turn, spent time in breaking down the music harmonically and rhythemically. The Rhapsody on your site has brought her full circle in my life. Many thanks!
It's seems that •••one can find a real great woman easily in any period of history of French culture like Nadia Boulanger?
❤ for French culture.
Her love for music, her knowledge and her personal style would have yielded much of great music, yet one should take into account her circumstances. Her father died when she was very young and she started earning as soon as possible, also for the sake of her mother and her sister. Then she could not get a scholarship that her sister was granted for. Her music was not recognised and understood by those who decided who will be able to earn living by composing or playing. I heard her say in the video that her music was "inutile". This does not mean "worthless", I think she wanted to say that it "could not be used", I suppose it could be interpreted as in the sense to support her and her loved ones. It was very convenient for those who benefited from her spirit to assign her a role of a teacher and assistant instead of admiting her a possibility to achieve and attain a position that she would have deserved. But yet she speaks to us; even if only one work survived. Clearly she was much more than a teacher.
The immense symphonic support in this work makes is as much a symphony as a concerto. It would be a great vehicle for a smaller orchestra with a fine but not renowned soloist. I would love to hear it done.
I agree She was as great as her sister. Teaching properly anything you must know your subject very well. She had to provide for her family at a very young age.
Extraordinary composer, conductor, daughter of a Russian princess. Extremely influent on so many composers who studied with her.
Basically, Lili was the composer and Nadia the teacher. However, Nadia composed a few works when she was young but as she was not satisfied with the results she completely stopped composing afterwards.
Anyway thanks for your comments and enjoy the music.
Cheers from sunny Toulouse.
Jean-Christian
It's as unapologetically French as D'Indy's French Mountain Air and it's perfectly lovely.
Tout simplement magnifique
Excellent composition from one of histories greatest music teachers! BRAVO!!!!
This has the modern sense of melody you hear in film music but much more intricate.
I mean she probably taught a whole lot of the modern film composers.
I think she would have been teaching the previous generation
A fine work and nice painting as well!
Great teacher and great composer
@longuemar, il s'agit de David Greilsammer avec l'Orchestre Philharmonique de Radio France sous la direction de Steven Sloane.
Extraordinario ¡¡Gracias!!
And the woman created, among others, Astor Piazzola.
A pesar de que ella misma dijo de su propia música que resultaba inútil, compuso está maravilla. Maestra de maestros.
Extraordinaria una genia de la Música.👏👏👏
Remarkably beautiful composition and piano work. The equal of many and better than some. Why isn't this piece better known??
At the time we have the great Rachmaninoff/Debussy/other, so little Nadia must be unknown.
@@kimsahl8555 Had "Little Nadia" lived, she may have been the equal of other great composers. We'll never know because she died at a young age, and had she lived, would have encountered pervasive gender discrimination. Civilization's loss on two counts.
@@stillstanding6031 In time there was no great woman composer, in our time there is't no great computer composer either. Trying to make a little one great will not succeed.
Lovely piece, so much feeling.
David Greilsammer (piano), Orchestre Philarmonique de Radio France, Steven Sloane.
The music matches the painting
intensely..
Wow! My soul, my eyes and my spirit thanks Mme. Nadia Boulanger. The music reborn with her. Eugenio Trias should say something.
It's a masterpiece
There's craftsmanship and then there's character and personality. It's rare to find both together. Nadia Boulanger's compositions were not considered remarkable in her time (she said this herself) still they are of better quality than most current stuff.
Wonderful work! Who is the pianist? And the orchestra? Thank You for sharing this great music!
From Wikipedia;
Among her students were those who became leading composers, soloists, arrangers, and conductors, including Aaron Copland, Roy Harris, Virgil Thomson, Darius Milhaud, Elliott Carter, David Diamond, Dinu Lipatti, Igor Markevitch, İdil Biret, Daniel Barenboim, John Eliot Gardiner, Philip Glass, Lalo Schifrin, Astor Piazzolla, Quincy Jones, and Michel Legrand. Her female students, whose chances in the 20th century for recognition were significantly lower than that of the men, include notable American composers such as Louise Talma, Elaine Bearer, Eugenie Kuffler, Elise Grant Cieslak, and Anne Robertson.
Magnifique!
Acabo de descubrir la música de Nadia Boulanger y de Lill, realmente magnifica.
Elle est dans le coeur le plus mystérieux de ce siècle avec une pensée musicale de clles qui font que les notres trouvent un asile pour leurs dépôts.
Il serait bon que vous reformuliez votre commentaire ; merci
8:04 onwards = my jaw packed its bags and left, never to return.
Wise jaw!
Très touché. She is a real composer.
@cleliavera
1 year ago
Wonderful work! Who is the pianist? And the orchestra? Thank You for sharing this great music!
Thank you! This music connects me to my past because my jazz piano teacher Fred Valdez studied with Nadia Boulenger in Paris just after WWII while he was stationed there with the U.S. Army. He spent several lessons on Debussy's Clair de Lune, and we, in turn, spent time in breaking down the music harmonically and rhythemically. The Rhapsody on your site has brought her full circle in my life. Many thanks!
drksenior
That's an interesting story. But how did he find time having lesson with Mme Boulanger if he is working as a soldier?
Merci beaucoup de mettre cette passionnante Fantaisie de Nadia Boulanger en ligne !
J’aimerais connaître le nom du pianiste, de l’orchestre et du chef d’orchestre !
Très belle interprétation également. Le talent compte pour faire connaître des œuvres sans les disqualifier.
Merci d’avance pour votre réponse !
ES UNA MUSICA QUE TE FAIS VIAJAR ESPIRITUALMENTE MUITO PROFUNDA
Bravo! Cheers from Brazil
I've rarely heard the piano part as expressively as David Greilsammer
This is a composition that deserves to be taken very seriously. It has high standards and I think it achieves it¨s goal. A pity that she could not live off her writing.
She was a great and versatile teacher. Among her pupils are Aaron Copland, Dinu Lipatti and Astor Piazzola.
Incredible woman
First woman conductor love to read about her!!
Do not forget Clara Schumann before her :)
A wonderful surprise
It can be my mistake in finding it, but is this wonderful music performed by somebody?
wonderful! do you happen to know how they got around the extensive revisions Boulanger made in the score? I've read that these extensive revisions made the score unplayable, but that clearly isn't true here. Any info on that?
Thanks!
lovely composer--there is a musical relationship with Chausson here I think
awesome. who are the performers of this wonderful piece?
I named my cat after her - my cat is "Boulanger" - she is 17 now.
good ! I will emulate this idea but by honouring Sophie Gubaidulina true or false ?
@@truthlivingetc88 Problem with having a cat called Sophie Gubaidulina,by the time you finish calling her for her supper she'd have fallen asleep!
Im a metalhead and this has a menacing sense of drama that's attractive to me.
This music had been used as example in the italian youtube cultural video "Lezioni di Musica - Le Donne nella Musica" of the channel "musicamonteverde". Is a really very very interesting video.
Very pretty!!!
I want to purchase this score, anyone can find where may I do so online? My god I got goosebumps all over me after listening to this.
peccato non siano citati gli interpreti...come altrove.Chi la scopre resta monco...poichè è molto importante nel percorso di questa grande Artista amante della didattica sapere Chi imbastisce e Tesse la ragnatela della sua creatività in maniera così chimica verso le intenzioni fulminanti della sua creatrice.Sono emozionato poichè quando ero a Parigi sedicenne ebbi modo di assistere ad una Sua lezione sull'Improvvisazione...e poi alla radio ascoltai per puro caso il Requiem di Poulenc diretto da lei credo da New York...alla Carnegie Hall?...e qui riconosco quel suo parlare...per me arabo..delle cadenze?Sono commosso...trovarla nel mare Magnun della musica...sia benedetto il Tubo. Chapeau a chi posta queste perle.lunga vita..
Quand le monde fléchit autour de soi, quand les structures d’une civilisation vacillent, il est bon de revenir à ce qui, dans l’histoire, ne fléchit pas, mais au contraire redresse le courage, rassemble les séparés, pacifie sans meurtrir. Il est bon de rappeler que le génie de la création est lui aussi à l’œuvre dans une histoire vouée à la destruction 👀
I have none of the in-depth knowledge of musical composition that many of the commenters here have. It was an off-hand comment somewhere which drew me here. So this is my first exposure to Nadia Boulanger; and I feel like someone who's been used to two-buck chuck tasting a Bruno Giacosa red-label Riserva Barolo.
11:40 - five second shout out to Debussy or maybe Ravel. I cant remember the piece's name.
maybe it is the melody from Milhaud's Brasileira xD
Caleb H. Yes,I think I know the piece you mean. It's called-"HEY,DEBUSSY!".Very powerful piece I believe.
How fascinating to hear a major work from one the 20th Century's most influential musicians. Do you know anything about the score used for this recording? My understanding is that Mme. Boulanger's revisions and rewrites were so extensive (she was never happy with the piece) as to make it unplayable.
@JCHBONNET Quels sont les interprètes de cette belle fantaisie pour piano de N. Boulanger ?
@JCHBONNET Drat. Nonetheless . . . it's a fine performance! Thanks for posting.
I am reminded of Ustvolskaya's piano concerto...
Aren't we all-WHO THA F IS USTVOLSK-whatever it was??
Who recorded this?
The fragment 10:58 - 11:08 reminds me something that i can't recall, most of all the end of it. Maybe Debussy, but i'm not sure. Any help?
Grieg ?
Might be. Gonna check. Thank you!
Do you have a cat and leave your piano lid open at night perchance?
Liszt piano concerto?
googd morning , Where can i find the scores ? thank you
Although she is said to have disliked the work of Rachmaninoff, I can't help but hear so many resemblances.
Please Who is the pianist What is rhe 0rchestra and who conducts please ?
Superbe musique de N. Boulanger et superbe tableau: Qui en est l'auteur(e)?
Peut-être August Mack ??? jeune peintre allemand !
Someday this music will be standard repertoire. it took over a hundred years for Van Goghs genius to be recognized.
OK I maybe an ignorant - I had no chance to get any music education at all. The only access to classic music that I have is my ears. For some reason, I also like classic music. Despite my total ignorance =)
So I like this piece! Why it reminds me to Aleksandr Skryabin, I don't know. It just does. I guess because it was the same era in history ... but what do I know.
Have more confidence you don't need to apologise for anything it's great that you still appreciate classical music!
Which orchestra played this recording?
Saw it below, thanks!!
Interessante. Carina.
does anybody knows where can I find the score?
No, I have no clue and I was unaware that this work had been so extensively revised !
God...8:00 . My skin burns...
Thank you
@@supagoon8 That sounds cruel but I know what you meant...
Bonjour, de quelle version s'agit-il ?
😏
I would love to help you but I have no info on this topic !
can't find the score anywhere ..... I would really love to analyse it
is there a conceptual element in musical analysis which is more important than any other such element ? is timbre more elemental than melody ? are these false questions ? are there such elements at all ? are these useful questions ?
@@truthlivingetc88 You know. It's not Nadia Boulanger who's playing actually.
It's also why i would like to analyse this piece, to even go more far on the understanding of this piece.
Even in piece less complexe in harmony. Like some Mozart's Sonata etc etc etc...
It's ALWAYS more interesting to see the score rather than only listen (Interpretation).
And might be i am pianist and would like to play it ?
Might be the fact to listen and read in same time give me still more emotion ?
Might be that the fact to understand EACH NOTES in Classical music is Really important for someone who can actually Read ?
Might be i would like to read for imagine my own interpretation ?
Might be in the World of Music you have different type of people ?
The Musician ? The listener ? The dreamer ? The Analyser ? The Critic ? ETC ETC .....
Who am i ? Might be all of this ...
I don't know about (False question) Or (True Question)
But i think that my (Lust) (Will) to search her Scores are more important that your Stupid question and what you think is Essential or not.
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@@truthlivingetc88 Sheep .....
Where is true ? where is Fake ? What is your name (Nickname UA-cam)
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est ce possible de savoir qui interprète et qui dirige? et quel est l'orchestre? merci
Is she related to Lili Boulanger?
Sisters
She was a wild wild wild woman for her day! My quantum-entangled sister, I suppose! But just like family members of geniuses, I am not that celebrated a sibling.
@JCHBONNET Merci beaucoup.
Just read her Wikipedia entry and it almost totally ignores her work as a composer. Hopefully some Wikipedia contributor will rectify that regrettable but hardly surprising omission.
It is good French !
Someone interested in helping me to organize an international female composers festival?
It's strange, but I think many of the best theorists and teachers start out wanting to become composers, but they get seduced by the study of music, which is of course an endless persuit. I think, often, they'd give and learn as much or more by example than by teaching analysis, etc. I mean, when we analyse composers music, do we learn as much as we would if we tried to put ourselves in their shoes?
good thinking. There's an old english proverb which expresses a similar thought " if you want to learn -teach.
the tragedy is most people are so precoccupied with money - either because of lack, or excess, of it, that they quite simply haven't the foggiest notion of either.
so true, unfortunately.....
163/5000
She wrote quite well, but her sister Lili could be a genius ifshe didn't die so young. Lili has a much deeper scope. Nadia's credit is more in that pedagogical activity.
Your comment: -1/5000.
sounds like she is channeling rachmoninov. This is Rachmoninov.
Rachmaninov Dear
Impressioniste?
Блеск!!!
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I hear nothing in this piece as demonstration against what Boulanger said, i.e. she had well-learned the craft and had a fine command of it, but, in her own words, "I realized I had absolutely nothing to say." What she composed until she stopped is 'well-written,' blandly generic -- and unmemorable. She more than made a huge and lasting mark on music as a teacher.
That's because you have a tin ear, and no taste whatsoever. If only for the '3 Pieces' alone, she would be remembered fondly.
that's probably because he knows music better than you and has better ears than yours, more aware of musical conventions... he's right: this music is well written and pretty conventional - her sister Lili was far more interesting, unlukly she died too young for knowing whether she could be a good composer. I appreciate that Nadia Boulanger was so wise to understand her limits. it's so rare.
She underestimated herself, probably as a coping mechanism after losing her sister and wanting to protect her mother from the memory. You're underestimating her, too, but you have no such excuse. I will certainly remember this piece.
7777Scion is right - your ears are made of tin and you're tasteless; I'll add to that that your head is a box of rocks.
how is it possible to someone compose so bad with so much knowledge of complex things like form and orquestration in music?
According to what I am able to listen (if I can say that, cause the quality of recording is obviously not your best) through your channel, I guess you're probably kidding.
@@oosallytomatooo1321 I doubt he is kidding. I agree with him. There is nothing here but a list of musical cliches strung together with stylistic hints from Rachmaninov, early Debussy, Frank, and many others, but without their flare. It is also bland, plodding and lacking in originality, and full of predictably cod-climaxes. I have no doubt she was a competent musician technically but her decision to abandon composition was a good one.
@@fingerhorn4 I agree ...pleasant but not engaging...sort of a nondescript classical elevator music with themes that are short lived, trite and go nowhere.
@@fingerhorn4 Check your ears.
@@george40nelson4 You, too.