@@amingonzalez6134 Simple engineers are an expense and are typically some of the higher salaries in the office. A adv/good engineer with 7 years will go for about 110-150k+ depending on where they are located...What we are seeing in the work place is these software engineers are being let go more so than any other type of engineer. The company knows that the market will be flooded soon if it is not already and that 110+ engineer is now only worth 80k, and in another year maybe even less. That is what has happened in the software field of engineering..
I started coding last year and find chatGPT awfully depressing, cant help but feeling that what little progress I had made in this field due to my studies means nothing now. I know making the entrance door to the tech industry is a good thing but still.
just use Chat GPT and ai tools to BOOT your "Room for improvement" part bro, I think everyone is scared soo its just a matter of who accepts it first and starts using it instead of staying scared, as a matter of fact, I completed so many incomplete projects in 2 weeks with gpt 3.5 its crazy how efficient I am right now
Bro, I also started coding last year. Luckily I did not go the specialization route. We should use AI to undercut the companies which wont hire us junior devs. With AI we can make a complex website in a day (front and back-end) and charge half the price the big companies are charging. Be a wolf
It makes cookie cutter programming trivial. But that was already trivial if you knew how to glue together code snippets from the web. Before you say it, yes, AI can do more than trivial coding. Absolutely. But you need to know how to frame the question and where to start. And for that, you need at least a basic understanding of the languages, APIs, and use cases. Here's a silly example: two people want to write a GPU-powered app but Person 1 has absolutely no idea where to start, and you're Person 2 with basic coding skills. Person 1 starts by trying to AI-code it in JavaScript with some random library they found, using VS Code w/o extensions. Only to realize after a few days this isn't the best language for that and they need another IDE or extension. Person 2 immediately knows to use C++ CUDA/NSight, or Python CuPy or Numba, or maybe Compute Shaders in HLSL/GLSL with a game engine. Person 2 doesn't need to ask the AI about every minor bug that pops up. Person 2 intuitively understands the purpose of new function the AI created and how it can be used in another file with minor tweaks. Sure, Person 1 could research all of this and probe the AI for direction, but how far ahead will Person 2 get in the meantime? In other words, AI + human expertise is greater than just AI. Your massively parallel quadrillion parameter brain is not obsolete quite yet. :)
In case it will affect programming, it will affect other markets too like people will use chatgpt more and google less which will reduce the traffic to all the blogs over the internet reducing the ad revenue by a lot which in turn will have a ripple effect. AI has potential to automate almost every job that doesn't require human emotions and physical work. There is also another drawback of people being dependent too much on a single source of information instead of getting a broader perspective by reading multiple sources.
That last sentence is the thing that worries me the most especially considering that AI can be taught to present certain convenient view points and most people will take it as truth.
@@catocall7323 The people that take gpt as only source, wouldnt have derived information from multiple sources in the first place. Those are the typical: I saw on TikTok that we gonna die by global warming by 2030 if we dont glue ourselves on the street.
The way I see it, these are still necessary skills for people to learn. Having tech knowledge makes you a problem solver. I am very fresh in my journey, and one of my goals is to learn how to leverage the new scary technology, vs rolling over and giving into fear
"these are still necessary skills for people to learn" No they are not. Programing in JavaScript or any other language has its purpose but does not teach you anything about life. It is a Masturbation for your brain! And it will burn you out after 10 years or so, becaue You always HAVE TO learn new and newer bullshit frameworks that they keep changing :(
@@averyjames4623 I was an electrician for 5+ years and I wanted to die. I just found out electricians have the highest suicide rate. Becoming a programmer is so much more relaxing and less back breaking. Literally a life changer for me. Trades are important but they aren’t for everyone
I'm finishing up my first semester of CS, and I think I'm starting to make peace with all of this? AI is kind of like the sun exploding, programming is far from the only thing that will get affected, and damnit I'm sick of not being sure what I want to study and picking other options just because they're "Safe". For anyone in school, do your best to stay out of debt if you can, because if this all blows up, at least then you'll be at give or take square one, and well, so will a lot of people because again, this will likely affect all desk jobs. I'm going to keep moving forward with it because I enjoy it, at this point I just want to enjoy what I'm doing in life and not try to 300 IQ plan out everything in the future to be as safe but boring and miserable as possible. I'll have to accept that this life will be a bumpy ride, I'm still nervous, but that's ok.
Hey man, i’m in my last semester of CS, and have about ~2 years of work experience spread between 3 companies, and, i feel the exact the same way. I got laid off last week and I’ve reached your same conclusion to achieve peace of mind. To just keep going. Learn, write code, apply & use AI to your advantage, if this will surely shake up the tech world then we must ride this wave and not be crushed under it. Good luck and study hard 🤞🏻
You have the right attitude Mason! I came into high tech sales 25 years ago with a geology degree. The key to success in high tech is grit, to always be curious and have fun. Tech is always changing/evolving.. that is what makes it great
@@ShaggyCactusAZ Thanks for the kind words! Life doesn't have to be linear, and you know what maybe that's even a good thing, I'm happy to keep going even if things move in unexpected ways.
wasn't expecting such an inspiring content when I opened this video. Thanks for shedding a light of hope... I know many people need it during these times.
Damn bro that’s a wild perspective and I have to say I agree with you. I’m a young dev so I never seen any of those things happen but it makes total sense to me honestly.
@Aaron Jack, I totally agree with you. Only gain and growth will happen, yes, we all need to transform and adopt new skills. Actually, that's part of the growth eventually. Thanks for making and sharing this video.
I quit my last job as a researcher in metallurgy industry because I discovered I love to program. Just 1 month after layoffs started to happen. I freaked out lol and videos like this helps me going :)
I think what might be different this time is that the IT market is way more saturated that it has ever been. Education started keeping up with demand for programmers and we might be reaching the limit of what software actually needs to be build to satisfy people's needs. Also this software may now become way easier to build because of AI.
It’s saturated in low end software jobs like front end web dev but when it comes to AI/ML , that’s a different game altogether. And I am not talking about those low end YT courses on AI/ML, I am talking about those mathematically intensive college degrees, these guys will earn a lot now.
A bunch of those advancements reduced the skill required to get into tech which is what enabled more jobs to be created, but with AI you still need to be pretty knowledgeable to make sure that the code is correct. You might be right about more companies/startups being created though, especially if it gets to the point where all senior devs end up becoming 10x devs by today's standards.
I'm new to coding, and barely have any experience, but don't you think its advancements are going to change all that.. What happens when it can run millions of tests on its code and correct itself? What will happen to us developers then, or a better way to ask the question is when will it inevitably happen..?
@@philliam111 I think after I made that comment, ChatGPT had either a plugin or an update that allows it to test Python code before handing it to the prompter, which is pretty nuts. I don't even want to try to predict how far AI will advance by the end of this year, let alone in 3 years where you'll probably get comfortable as a coder
I am 28. I am currently going back to school to learn coding, because my previous liberal arts degree couldn't land me a job. (Who knew?) Now I am being told that the skills I am learning could be obsolete in 5-10 years. I have staked my future on this career path. Tf am I supposed to do?
@cptndunsel Just continue mate, and have a plan B. I mean, study or prepare yourdelf for a job that it wont be affected by AI's. So you can continue without any fear, and then have a backup for the future. I feel you mate, but you have to be resilient. Have great day.
Learn a blue collar trade. Sad but reality. At least you are better than going off to a war or something. Change of times…you cant blame urself for living in current times…just keep hustling and be better off in relative to ur peers
If you couldn't find ANY job that's on you. There are tons of people working in fields unrelated to whatever they studied. Sounds like you didn't tailor your resume.
I was taking CS50 and learning to code. I was planning to quit my job and become a programmer but I ended up getting laid off because of Covid and the effects it had on the economy. So I ended up getting really lucky and I was offered a sales job at a tech integration company. I was still planning on finishing CS50 and becoming a programmer but now I’m thinking my sales job may be more secure actually. I think I’ll stay put in sales. I’m better at it than I was at coding anyway.
Senior Dev here on $250k, I agree with you, I'm actually looking more at the sales and customer relationship side of enterprise software. It's the soft people skills that the AI actually can't replicate.
I think sales will be the first one to be affected by AI, before programming jobs. As whatever code generated by AI now takes more time debugging than writing the code yourself.
@@EamonnMooney you are not getting it though. Soft skill will be easier to replicate with AI. With large language models and add some text to speech you get a perfect AI for jobs that heavily rely on soft skills
We won't know what will happen for sure. There is not always an even creation of alternative careers when compared to those that are destroyed. AI may be one of those that will take some industries longer to adapt than others (within anything coding.) This may be used to leap frog productivity yet again however it all depends on what the goals are, Microsoft appears to be attempting to replace all coders at some point with AI. If they succeed and others follow in order to compete then no this will not create new jobs. Unless existing coders use it to build alternative apps and products! It will be an intersting time even more so when I'm doing a shift in employment from IT to coding!
Eliminating coders will just mean the spending on coders shifts elsewhere, and the cost of software will decline. You'll probably see a massive expansion in product managers who used to be coders that are using AI-based solutions to create products. That's probably the "worst case" scenario. As it happens, it's very unlikely that even that happens. ChatGPT is really only good for writing very simple software, with quite a bit of hand holding -- and it's unreliable at doing that. It has already consumed about 1/3 of the public internet, so it's unlikely to get appreciable better any time soon. In general, to get an incremental improvement in AI, you need either an incredible amount of purpose-specific fine tuning (which gets harder and harder the further you drive it), or exponentially more data. ChatGPT is already past the point where there is enough data to significantly improve it, so they have to go the fine-tuning route...which will probably just make it incrementally more reliable at handling very specific tasks.
@@AUniqueHandleName444 I agree and that's why I've thought of changing courses to PM instead of going from IT->dev right away instead of my original course IT->dev->PM.
I think learning core fundamentals will be critical in any field. Like in web dev once you learn the basics of HTML CSS javascript you can pretty much master any framework of javascript. Same for java spring boot. Technology, and framework will come & go but fundamentals will remain the same.
Dunno about you, but I just want to go to the country-side and live with the animals and a couple of great people, without much techology at all. I've had enough with technology, it's getting too wild and out of hand. How do you feel about it?
I'm gonna go ahead and say it: In every single one of your examples, people were the catalyst for the change, and people were the only option to actually *use* the new technology in every given example. This is not the case with AI, like... at all. Except for ML experts, the AI has the potential to replace everything. What I'm basically saying is, in all of your examples, it was new *tools* that were made, and *meant* for *people* to use. C was *meant* for people to use to create other projects, it was also just something everyone doing lower level languages could learn even if they had lost their job over it. The same goes for any language, or any framework. With AI, that's not at all the case. It's meant explicitly to do things automatically with minimal human effort. Aside from ML Experts, and maybe Cybersecurity, both of which can only field so many workers, I simply cannot see how any job market in the industry benefits from this in the short term, AKA, our entire lifetime. I'm sure in the future, AI has the potential to be a benefit to society just like every other historical change that brought "short-term" suffering, like the industrial revolution. But for us, in this current lifetime, that doesn't help. People have a very high chance to lose their job over this, and not be able to secure another one. And people can say it benefits the future all they want, but unless there is a compromise made to those who have to suffer loses for it, it doesn't mean anything. For everyone alive today, *this is* potentially a bad thing.
You are correct and for example, lets say this technology is allowed to run amuk, replace and destroy as many the means of support for as many people as possible but, at the same time, each person who losses their means of supporting themselves and their family will then get a pension for life. In other words, compensate the masses for the AI disruptions and make it a positive for all, not just the billionaires who by the way, already have "more money than god". Of course, that would require a disruption of the economic system itself, a disruption for the billionaires that is, not just for the masses of workers whose means of support are taken away.
4:22 "Companies exist that could not exist before" This is a very important takeaway. You will most likely see a lot of new businesses/startups be created just because the barrier of entry has gotten easier, creating more jobs. Not to mention the amount of devs who will now be able to work on their own projects instead of working a 9-5. Heck just during the last easter break I managed to dust off 2 side projects, blaze through bugs and roadblocks that made me put them down using ai and launched them to production. As a developer it is an exciting time because there is potential to not be at the mercy of corporations for jobs or at the vert least diversify your income/get some income security. And it just makes the whole debugging/learning process of programming smoother.
@@Turnpost2552 Can you elaborate further instead of just posting childish retorts and riding off into the sunset? What is stopping devs or even regular people from using the extra productivity steroid boost to start their own passion projects or take up contracting side gigs(lets ignore the fact that this is already happening and youtube and tiktok is being flooded with people posting their earning boosts)? One of those 2 projects I launched will literally cover my rent this month by the end of the week. If things continue at this pace I may just hand in my 2 weeks notice and work as a contractor occasionally (if I even need to). Had a conversation with a couple of other senior devs at work and nearly all of them have started some sort of project, most of them purely because it's more fun working on a project without having to waste hours fixing bugs to get things working anymore.
@@Turnpost2552 - save an emergency fund - invest at least 15% of income into a broad based index fund - only get into a relationship with someone else who's fiscally responsible - use some of your free time to develop things that can bring in money If you are entirely at the 'mercy' of a company for your financial wellbeing, you are screwing something up and should learn basic financial literacy right away.
@@La0bouchere Good advice but you know, for the mass of workers, it is true that the masses have been at the "mercy" of corporations since the dawn of capitalism.......and the transition from farming economy to a wage worker economy. I agree with your advice, but just that it is not practical for the mass of people. Nevertheless, it should be pursued and who knows, with enough luck, it can work......
I don’t think we can look at the past at all when it comes to this like you did. Not at all. AI is not like anything in the past, it’s so incredibly world changing. I am quite pessimistic over this, but I don’t see a good reason not to be even after watching this
We can look at the past. First industrial revolution: 80% of people were farmers. It was a huge, drastic change. Life eventually became better of it, but people suffered greatly because of it. Capitalist had people, including children working in factories, for next to nothing. Now.. I imagine it's gonna be like that. AI in every aspect of every industry can lead to a lot of good and improvements... but it's also gonna make most everyone (not just programmers or artists) useless. What's gonna happen then? UBI and living in paradise for the common people.. or will we be no longer needed. To me that is still decades and decades away, not in the near future, but definitely gonna happen eventually.
@@captain4318 bruh UBI ain't happening. World economies on the brink of collapse, global climate crisis, overpopulation. Do the math. Any major figure who says UBI will happen is spouting boiling frog propaganda. Any commoner who parrots it is deceived. Few will admit it based on rationality, but it's over. Wealth transfer will become total and complete.
What's gonna happend is that companies will start to compete in creating better AIs as a service in specific branches of IT and I think there is going to be lots of jobs in AI development intelligence.
@@mohammadthousif3869 bleak future - very boring industry anyways. That said, a very lucrative one. Everything ends. People should focus on AI / robotics / neuroscience / biotechnology instead of things like front end.
@@mohammadthousif3869 Nah don't listen to that guy. The industry will change but anyone who's been involved with a larger scale app knows how many ends need to be tied together. One example, a massive part of app development involves human interaction. This requires human decision making and human intuition. The nature of the job may change, the amount of developers may be reduced. But at the end of the day, understanding the entire stack is going to be a valuable skill, even if you are just reviewing code or managing .
@@m.Gladislaw I may be wrong in predicting a bleak future - but if i am right, than that is good for humanity. Web development has not made life easier / better for most people. Social media is the biggest blocker of productivity in human history after alcohol. We need real advancements, not more web devs.
My best friend has been a programmer for about 6 years now, currently a team leader and well on the way to a managerial position. I'm interested in becoming a programmer but I have zero knowledge in IT, plus I'm 31. I've always been kind of smart but programming just seems so ridiculously complex. I asked my friend if there's even a point in learning now with this ai and told him what people are saying online. His response was ''the ones telling you not to learn programming, because ai will take over, are most likely not programmers themselves''. As I've said in another comment, I don't plan on living for hundreds of years. I don't want to spend years learning something, only to find it was all in vain in the end and having to start all over again because ''you need to adapt''. I agree but we can't simply flip a switch.
Damn straight! I've got 8 years experience programming and my thinking is that by the time AI reaches the level of replacing programmers we have larger problems
It's a catch 22 really. Chat gpt can do junior level tasks that empower engineers. But that closes a lot of doors for getting into the industry in the first place. It'll be like the trades where everyone is 40+ and there's no new talent coming in
It also enables junior level devs to do more junior level things, assuming they're willing to learn on their own. The junior devs will still be needed, we aren't at the point of being able to trust ai generated code entirely just yet.
I have a perspective, Developers will be hired more because we need different AI products to integrate with other fields like healthcare, automobile etc plus more AI means more chance of getting new startups booming. So I am optimistic but one thing is for sure have multiple income streams and have good dev skills.
It’s about utilizing AI and revolutionizing how it’s used in ways others haven’t. Those who do well think ahead and outside the box. I think there’s so much more potential of what can be done with it than anything
I don’t use Co-pilot at work because I don’t want to share my screen and for people to see that 😂. It’s been mostly wrong also, except for basic ideas and autocomplete. I do use it for personal projects though. I feel like it could help me learn new languages faster.
The big problem is if Chat GPT pull the plug on their service - anything using it will come to a stop. Also, once it gets "embedded" you can expect a per query cost structure to be introduced. This is the "first one is free" to hook future junkies.
I think you’re right, also I believe the jevons effect is at play. No matter how efficient ai gets at writing code, there will always be near infinite demand for code so it will balance out.
so the infinite demand for code will be balanced out by the infinite supply of code written by ai. why’re you talking like this is a good thing lol. that’s fucking horrible it means we’ll all be jobless
I really hope it's a case of, say, a drill not being able to much without a carpenters skills and intuition.. In that, it's a powerful tool, but useless, without direction. (I've spent the last few years studying, and only started finalising my portfolio/applying around the same time GPT started making serious headway...).
Yeah like I'm on a group chat in my school with like 20 people who are learning code who want to become SWEs and like a third left because they thaugh the the job marked in software was gonna crash and I stayed mainly because there will just be newer types of jobs around AI and the improvement of Ai
Two paths for a software engineer to focus now for the future: networks/Distributed systems(cloud), and math. There will be a need for creating an ecosystem and managing it for these models, and there is a need to produce them. Pick which one is right for you and learn it :)
I would bet that the more experienced of us in this field the less worried we are. Think Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to how we’re thinking these tools will take jobs. I’m still waiting for quantum computing to be the end all to classic computing. Also still waiting for my flying car.
Tech / Software Eng Jobs, are now moving out of the US, I am a developer in Mexico and in the past year I see many new offers with higher salaries (and remote), with same or more experience asked, before the idea was to get a full dev team with the same price of 1 US dev, allot of new recruiters / head hunters are new out of nowhere, just here in Mexico the base salary is about $150 USD a week (yes even for devs), before you had very good luck finding a $300 USD a week, and currently we can see some that offer up to $1,000 USD a week from companies that are based in the US.
@@juanocampo2262 This is just here over the border, if you go further south-america, DEVs still make less, the recruiters keep about 90% of what the US companies are willing to pay (only 10% goes to the DEVs)
Yep....the rules of the game favor capital, not labor, that is why the economic system is called CAPITALISM. Ok, capital writes the rules in its favor so there is that too. By the way Oscar, your written English is very good.
I feel that the comparison of this current technology from previous technology is incorrect. Previous technologies created jobs since you needed new skills to implement then. The difference is humans were needed to do the work, the maintaining of the new technologies. Now you only need a fraction of the humans in order to maintain the technology; the technology is doing the thinking and coding. The technology is now becoming a threat to you and it's learning rapidly.
I'm not currently using AI, sure I have messed around with it, but having done that I see its limitations. I likely will use it as a tool when I have need of it, however right now I'm still learning, so best not to take to many short cuts this early on :D
@Jiara I have tried a few now, XD. Bing AI is the most amusing right now. If you ask it different questions, it will gets a little stuck. I asked it how to recover a deleted webpage, and it got stuck, told me to change the subject. so I opted for one of the subjects it was promoting 'the meaning of life' apparently its the same subject as 'how do you recover a deleted webpage' XD did find some use out of Notions AI to make dummy text. but its very vague and doesn't really imagine anything :/ simply puts words together, a monkey could do that. Midjourny with discord was ok, it makes nice images, but couldn't make anything I could use as a starting point for inspiration. :( they were just too similar and generic, I tend to use Unsplash for inspiration ideas now. ChatGPT I've not seen a reason to try. tho I have been curious upon occasion. TBH ChatGPT probably has the most potential, but is still a baby, and I'd rather avoid it until it grows up a little so I don't end up getting disappointed :/ In time all these AIs will grow, right now they really are very young. Its difficult to depend on a baby to help you with your work, without doing extra work. for now, I wait and watch evolution of digital life to see if it gains actual intelligence rather than simulated intelligence :)
Chat GPT is like a big sword - it is powerful, but can only be as powerful as the hand that weilds it. Imagine when companies do shake and bake projects with millions of lines of code from Chat GPT, what will they do on the day it breaks, and can't find developers, let alone ones who can unwind millions of lines of "auto generated" code ?
The thing is AI provides a worker that's basically a super genius that works for free, never gets tired and can work 24/7. Why would anyone want to hire an old school human being with all their short comings?
@@alals6794think about the growth of ai in the next 5 years. It sure will replace lots and lots of job. I am thinking of doing electrical or mechanical engineering now instead of cs
i am a fitness trainer and a fullstack dev (self thougth) and i building an app that us chat gpt for building plans and talking to clients', I think ai will open more jobs for sure
I don't want to support AI because it's not just programmers who have had their code scraped. Right now creatives are hurting because their data/creation has been taken and appropriated in generative AI systems without their consent or knowledge. They are actually losing their jobs, so are writers etc. and many other industries. Show solidarity with other groups than your own, because if you don't there's nobody to have your back when it's your turn.
I think it should be taken and given to the hands of artists and programmers I don’t think we should completely get rid of it because it could be used to remove stress from more tedious tasks.
I think it definitely will spawn more IT jobs since this needs a ton of computing power and bigger farms need more admins. Also don't underestimate how big of a management workforce you need per technician.
Jobs were created previously because the technological developments changed the power source (a horse gets replaced by an engine, for instance) or the tool (a typewriter replaced hand transcription, for example). AI replaces the directing agent itself, and that is you and me.
yea but at the rate chat gpt is envolving way faster than we thought and if 10 ppl where supposed to do a job like create a large website now 1 person is enough so there will be 50% or more layoffs in the future(1-2 yr max) so i as a bigginer am sceared to go study for 4 yr in cs and than realise that nobody will need me
The job field isn't going to disappear, just become more competitive with advancing development in AI. Don't need a team of 20 if a team of 3 can do the same job by using AI as a tool
This raises a lot of questions, some of them are: How much complexity can we reach in our products that have an actual demand in the market? How much different the new things we have to learn to adapt? How much time it'll take for the need to learn new things to rise up again? I think the only benefit we'll get from all of this evolution, is the ability to work on our own ideas easier than ever, and get to discover the next big ideas really quickly. In terms of working in a company using the AI as an assistant, I'm afraid It'll get so easy for beginners, leaving professional with similar salaries no matter how skilled they are. This one triggered my first question above.
@@darklightprojector2688 Your linguistic output seems to be limited in scope and substance, as the statement in question fails to articulate any discernible or substantive point, and thus comes across as somewhat trivial and unenlightening.
@@dogma7911 Every subject matter is inherently complex and multifaceted, and as such, elicits a diverse range of perspectives and viewpoints. In regard to the worthiness of my own opinion and the value it holds for you, it is important to acknowledge that individual perceptions and interpretations are highly subjective and vary significantly between individuals. Consequently, I must inquire as to the extent of the impact and significance that my commentary has had on you, and furthermore, how you would characterize and evaluate my particular standpoint on the matter at hand?
@@anasouardini You have interesting viewpoints to consider, but bringing down others does not uplift anything. You seem intelligent on your views of the matter, not by obfuscations, nor ridicule. That only portrays deeper insecurities masked by arrogance on your part. Kindness goes a long way.
and if brilliant devs stop contributing to stack overflow / personal blogs ... HOW will future iterations of chat GPT 'learn' ? (like a chicken before the egg type stuff)
@@kitkatk5152 it probably does. It's fed huge chunks of data from all over the internet, there's no way that for coding it didn't take anything from stack overflow.
Think little bit ahead and try to imagine future GPT versions Even GPT-4 vs GPT-3 is huge leap ahead. Stack overflow is history now (especially when GPT plugins becomes public). GPT-5, maybe GPT-6 but definitely GPT-7 will wipe out 90%+ of programmers forever.
I am very interested in AI and I am looking to shift my career from boring Market research to coding and programming. Your video was quite helpful and I agree with your points, there is still a lot to be discovered in the field of computers and AI something that will be a lot more obvious in hindsight.
@@j.a.3138 Maybe at the very beginner level it could do it reliably. But it would take years and years for it to be able to write develop and debug large scale projects. There are so many complexities that are not going to be replaced soon. And when they do, AI would have become so advanced close to any other job out there would have already been replaced.
I have been trying and failing for several weeks trying to use AI chat... for programming (I have decades of experience). What I found is that, at best, AI can give you a boiler plate empty template for portions of work. It does have a fairly good auto-completion capability saving me a few minutes here and there. I understand AI will get better and may able to get more and more of the job done. But it's still garbage in --> garbage out. You still need to study how to request AI to write code, which takes quite a bit of subject mater expertise (college level study). So don't sweat it. At least not yet.
crazy thing is chatGPT doesn't even work when it comes to outputting correct code you can use half of the time. It's a good learning tool like stackoverflow.
if you are designing or coding anything that needs the slights problem to solve that is not generic you cannot ask the chatbot to solve it , there are already 1000s of tools that aready automate the majority of these processes , putting it all together or solving the main problem is what you need to do most of the time and you need deep knowledge to solve moderate to difficult problems that are not already solved , AI isnt gonna solve that and its not even gonna write the code since it wont have the know how , basically it will reduce unnessesary programming -- but i havent used it for anything significant yet, i havent needed to why would i fall behind if i dont even need it for the domain in question
Even if AI can do all the coding as far as I understand, there is still need for someone who knows which questions to ask (as in the example of ChatGBT) and which answers to accept or reject. I watched quite a few similar summaries and studies about tech and AI and even if AI would to replace a lot or most Dev jobs, there is still a need for the people to manoeuvre the AI, at least at our current state, so that could be a job too for those learned. In the end I think it's useless sitting around doing nothing as you said.
AI is upgrading itself in like 6 months ... So wait for an year or two and the AI will do everything what you want ... You just have to explain him in a better way. Chat GPT is a baby dinasaur who has just hatched from its egg ... Just wait and watch
I'd argue that I have learned quicker too, just by rubber ducking with chatGTP. I can learn alternative ways that didn't even occur to me sometimes. B it does good to have some scepticism and ability to fact check from the original documentation if things exists etc. Since the AI tends to hallucinate from time to time.
I don't understand how anyone can confidently say what skills will be relevant in the future. The AI is constantly learning and processing information at an astronomical rate. If the goal is to make it perfect, it will eventually become more accurate than humans. While the timeline can be debated, the time it takes for the AI to develop and learn a new skill will outpace any human trying to do the same...
What ppl don't really understand is, AI will only help you to do the ground work for you. So your skill set is not just to do coding, or writing code. You need engineering skills. These are the skills you're taught at uni/college. AI can't do these. Because AI don't understand business context, proper analysis and end goal of your code. This is your job to do it. So for those of you who are in the engineering journey, learn proper software engineering. Not just coding
A task that would take me 3 days, takes chat gpt seconds. Yes, lots of tech jobs will be lost for good. Chat GPT actually works really well in Agile/Scrum framework when projects/features are broken down to many sub tasks. You still need a senior engineer to break down the tasks, but you definitely don’t need as many junior-mid level engineers
May as be as of now jobs won't get completely replaced by AI, but i strongly believe employees cant demand high salaries they used to pitch in the tech industry like before.... An average person combined with these AI tools will be enough to do most works if given enough training, that said the salaries will go down awfully. Sooner or later this will happen 😢
Sorry but could you elaborate ? How does a AI will read a entire existing code base and decide what to do ? Which names to use for the domain and which code to change etc ? If you know how to ask AI what to do, and know to define details, so you know what to do and you are not a begginner...
@@gustavolol3 Agree as of now. But that doesn’t require the workforce needed now. The job will transform more into a monitoring role. Can’t say how exactly it will change but the future is uncertain. Ultimately all companies opt to automate their systems so they can cut down salaries and maximise profits
as an SE, i can tell you chatgpt is only helping engineers, not replacing them. just because it can give you a block of code for some simple thing, does not mean it can actually create and program a full service ... integrated with existing services on specific types of nodes ... layered with massive configs that you won't use GPT for b/c of keeping all those on secure private servers etc. You still need engineers massively, and all this will do is help make software better over time ... and maybe allow us to do some things faster. And for those not using it ... that's like using a straight text pad instead of an IDE with IntelliSense lol. what a joke, it's there to make it easier for you.
But isn’t that what a lot of software “engineers” only do these days? Some of them are even proud that what they only do is Google stuff but still get paid ridiculous amounts. I still think we’re a few years before all software-related jobs will become obsolete but you cannot deny how much these AI technologies could impact the available positions, especially entry-level ones.
When to use Sql vs NoSql database. Everywhere its told that use SQL database when you have structured data. But when building any app, most of the time data are related to each other. So in that case as a beginner I get confused which to use when and why ?
I don't know what will happen but I am here for the ride. I see ChatGPT as a powerful tool to be added to the toolbox, the same idea with other AI-powered applications & software. Also, I see that F1 representation. I'm a Mercedes fan tbh but Alonso & Aston Martin is cool too!
Could anybody answer me about legal aspect of AI? As I understand it is using other people work (text, code, drawings) and doesn’t share any benefits with these people. It’s looks like an illegal actions. What am I missing here?
Here’s the thing. Why is Micro$oft spending billions and billions on AI? Why are they spending 5-10M a day in infrastructure to run ChatGPT?? Companies don’t do things to advance technology or humans. They do things to make money. Is AI a product that anybody wants to buy or spend tons of money on? No. So then why are they investing in it so heavily? Well they just think it’s going to save them a lot of money in the long run eh? On what I wonder?
OK ! Try asking the AI to build high performance, available, fault tolerant system to your company. Tru asking to make a custom build process with sbt or to decide whats the best way to design your software. Ask AI to build a driver for a database or even a device driver.
This is what I'm afraid of. How much worse are these AI tools going to make entry? What's the point of a bright eyed bushy tailed junior dev when a senior with an AI and some grit can solve whatever the problem is in half the time three juniors could? How big can the skill cap get? I'm a second semester sophomore in comp sci this year. I enjoy what I'm doing so much and it hurts to think that I may be wasting my time. Maybe we're overreacting but it's kinda scary ya know.
@@WhyteHorse2023 nah. If all goes well AI will create a new jobs and transform the programming jobs we know today. If all goes wrong - we and up with economical calamity, collapse of society and evaporation of middle class. On the top will be wealthy, beautiful with good genes, and people already born in rich families. The rest will be bottom-feeder mostly doing manual labour.
@@michaelbrumbaugh5389 Think on the bright side. Ai will make it easier than ever to make startups if you’re competent. I predict there will be a new wave of startups that are utilizing this to get ahead on the big corporations, which would result in both job/entrepreneurship opportunities. Eventually the big companies will have to step up their game and start pumping out better and better features, needing devs to stay competitive in a market of supercharged developers
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it was easier for me to find my first engineering job 7 years ago as a junior engineer than it is for me now with 7 years experience.
That’s because companies don’t want to pay a large salary for someone with 7 years of experience… especially now during the US recession.
This will only get worse as you age.
@@dinero2131 isn’t 7 years a lot of experience tho? Why wouldn’t they want to pay a good amount for that type of experience? Just curious
@@amingonzalez6134 Simple engineers are an expense and are typically some of the higher salaries in the office. A adv/good engineer with 7 years will go for about 110-150k+ depending on where they are located...What we are seeing in the work place is these software engineers are being let go more so than any other type of engineer. The company knows that the market will be flooded soon if it is not already and that 110+ engineer is now only worth 80k, and in another year maybe even less. That is what has happened in the software field of engineering..
@@dinero2131 That's only one of the reasons.
I started coding last year and find chatGPT awfully depressing, cant help but feeling that what little progress I had made in this field due to my studies means nothing now. I know making the entrance door to the tech industry is a good thing but still.
I’m right with you
It’ll just allow you to creat bigger and better things. You’ll still have a job but with more capability.
just use Chat GPT and ai tools to BOOT your "Room for improvement" part bro, I think everyone is scared soo its just a matter of who accepts it first and starts using it instead of staying scared, as a matter of fact, I completed so many incomplete projects in 2 weeks with gpt 3.5 its crazy how efficient I am right now
Bro, I also started coding last year. Luckily I did not go the specialization route. We should use AI to undercut the companies which wont hire us junior devs. With AI we can make a complex website in a day (front and back-end) and charge half the price the big companies are charging. Be a wolf
It makes cookie cutter programming trivial. But that was already trivial if you knew how to glue together code snippets from the web.
Before you say it, yes, AI can do more than trivial coding. Absolutely. But you need to know how to frame the question and where to start. And for that, you need at least a basic understanding of the languages, APIs, and use cases.
Here's a silly example: two people want to write a GPU-powered app but Person 1 has absolutely no idea where to start, and you're Person 2 with basic coding skills.
Person 1 starts by trying to AI-code it in JavaScript with some random library they found, using VS Code w/o extensions. Only to realize after a few days this isn't the best language for that and they need another IDE or extension.
Person 2 immediately knows to use C++ CUDA/NSight, or Python CuPy or Numba, or maybe Compute Shaders in HLSL/GLSL with a game engine. Person 2 doesn't need to ask the AI about every minor bug that pops up. Person 2 intuitively understands the purpose of new function the AI created and how it can be used in another file with minor tweaks.
Sure, Person 1 could research all of this and probe the AI for direction, but how far ahead will Person 2 get in the meantime?
In other words, AI + human expertise is greater than just AI. Your massively parallel quadrillion parameter brain is not obsolete quite yet. :)
The fact that we are even talking about this is a good reason to be concerned
In case it will affect programming, it will affect other markets too like people will use chatgpt more and google less which will reduce the traffic to all the blogs over the internet reducing the ad revenue by a lot which in turn will have a ripple effect. AI has potential to automate almost every job that doesn't require human emotions and physical work. There is also another drawback of people being dependent too much on a single source of information instead of getting a broader perspective by reading multiple sources.
That last sentence is the thing that worries me the most especially considering that AI can be taught to present certain convenient view points and most people will take it as truth.
blogs will be here. chatgpt can't answer without data.
@@catocall7323 The people that take gpt as only source, wouldnt have derived information from multiple sources in the first place. Those are the typical: I saw on TikTok that we gonna die by global warming by 2030 if we dont glue ourselves on the street.
I would argue that people will still check various AI chatbots similar to how we compare the info on different web pages.
@@jasonreviews but who will read them and how those blogs will get impressions of real people ? How those blogs will earn ad revenue?
The way I see it, these are still necessary skills for people to learn. Having tech knowledge makes you a problem solver. I am very fresh in my journey, and one of my goals is to learn how to leverage the new scary technology, vs rolling over and giving into fear
Learn a trade.
"these are still necessary skills for people to learn"
No they are not.
Programing in JavaScript or any other language has its purpose but does not teach you anything about life.
It is a Masturbation for your brain! And it will burn you out after 10 years or so, becaue You always HAVE TO learn new and newer bullshit frameworks that they keep changing :(
@@averyjames4623 I was an electrician for 5+ years and I wanted to die. I just found out electricians have the highest suicide rate. Becoming a programmer is so much more relaxing and less back breaking. Literally a life changer for me. Trades are important but they aren’t for everyone
I'm finishing up my first semester of CS, and I think I'm starting to make peace with all of this? AI is kind of like the sun exploding, programming is far from the only thing that will get affected, and damnit I'm sick of not being sure what I want to study and picking other options just because they're "Safe". For anyone in school, do your best to stay out of debt if you can, because if this all blows up, at least then you'll be at give or take square one, and well, so will a lot of people because again, this will likely affect all desk jobs. I'm going to keep moving forward with it because I enjoy it, at this point I just want to enjoy what I'm doing in life and not try to 300 IQ plan out everything in the future to be as safe but boring and miserable as possible. I'll have to accept that this life will be a bumpy ride, I'm still nervous, but that's ok.
Hey man, i’m in my last semester of CS, and have about ~2 years of work experience spread between 3 companies, and, i feel the exact the same way. I got laid off last week and I’ve reached your same conclusion to achieve peace of mind. To just keep going. Learn, write code, apply & use AI to your advantage, if this will surely shake up the tech world then we must ride this wave and not be crushed under it. Good luck and study hard 🤞🏻
You have the right attitude Mason! I came into high tech sales 25 years ago with a geology degree. The key to success in high tech is grit, to always be curious and have fun. Tech is always changing/evolving.. that is what makes it great
@@ShaggyCactusAZ Thanks for the kind words! Life doesn't have to be linear, and you know what maybe that's even a good thing, I'm happy to keep going even if things move in unexpected ways.
I learned a trade. Sucks to be you people. What happened to “learn to code”?😂😂😂😂😂
I feel the same way 100%
wasn't expecting such an inspiring content when I opened this video. Thanks for shedding a light of hope... I know many people need it during these times.
Thanks for clarifying things. Look at the data! I need to get in the habit of this!!
Another Great educational video Aaron!! Thank you man for all that you’re doing for people, helping us adopt to this 21 century modern world!!!!🙏🏼🙏🏼
i think responsibility per job is going up the more ai is incorporated, since mundane tasks will be replaced, so will be staff that doesnt adapt
I am so inspired by you. Amazing work on video making.
Some interesting points you mentioned !!
Damn bro that’s a wild perspective and I have to say I agree with you. I’m a young dev so I never seen any of those things happen but it makes total sense to me honestly.
@Aaron Jack, I totally agree with you. Only gain and growth will happen, yes, we all need to transform and adopt new skills. Actually, that's part of the growth eventually. Thanks for making and sharing this video.
I quit my last job as a researcher in metallurgy industry because I discovered I love to program. Just 1 month after layoffs started to happen. I freaked out lol and videos like this helps me going :)
Do you still code?
Good video thanks for the insights
When looking for a legitimate opinion, I always look for your channel, congratulations !
I think what might be different this time is that the IT market is way more saturated that it has ever been. Education started keeping up with demand for programmers and we might be reaching the limit of what software actually needs to be build to satisfy people's needs. Also this software may now become way easier to build because of AI.
It’s saturated in low end software jobs like front end web dev but when it comes to AI/ML , that’s a different game altogether. And I am not talking about those low end YT courses on AI/ML, I am talking about those mathematically intensive college degrees, these guys will earn a lot now.
Glad you got another vid about pls keep making more vids about AI/Chat GTP
really good points ! I agree.
Great video, well done!
A bunch of those advancements reduced the skill required to get into tech which is what enabled more jobs to be created, but with AI you still need to be pretty knowledgeable to make sure that the code is correct. You might be right about more companies/startups being created though, especially if it gets to the point where all senior devs end up becoming 10x devs by today's standards.
I'm new to coding, and barely have any experience, but don't you think its advancements are going to change all that.. What happens when it can run millions of tests on its code and correct itself? What will happen to us developers then, or a better way to ask the question is when will it inevitably happen..?
@@philliam111 I think after I made that comment, ChatGPT had either a plugin or an update that allows it to test Python code before handing it to the prompter, which is pretty nuts. I don't even want to try to predict how far AI will advance by the end of this year, let alone in 3 years where you'll probably get comfortable as a coder
Not "more jobs", but more people trying to get in. Market is oversaturated and competitive like never before.
Great video!!!! Thanks
I am 28. I am currently going back to school to learn coding, because my previous liberal arts degree couldn't land me a job. (Who knew?) Now I am being told that the skills I am learning could be obsolete in 5-10 years. I have staked my future on this career path. Tf am I supposed to do?
@cptndunsel Just continue mate, and have a plan B. I mean, study or prepare yourdelf for a job that it wont be affected by AI's. So you can continue without any fear, and then have a backup for the future. I feel you mate, but you have to be resilient. Have great day.
Fucking same
Learn a blue collar trade. Sad but reality. At least you are better than going off to a war or something. Change of times…you cant blame urself for living in current times…just keep hustling and be better off in relative to ur peers
If you couldn't find ANY job that's on you. There are tons of people working in fields unrelated to whatever they studied. Sounds like you didn't tailor your resume.
blue collar jobs.
After all the videos I've watched on the topic this has put my mind at rest
I was taking CS50 and learning to code. I was planning to quit my job and become a programmer but I ended up getting laid off because of Covid and the effects it had on the economy. So I ended up getting really lucky and I was offered a sales job at a tech integration company. I was still planning on finishing CS50 and becoming a programmer but now I’m thinking my sales job may be more secure actually. I think I’ll stay put in sales. I’m better at it than I was at coding anyway.
Senior Dev here on $250k, I agree with you, I'm actually looking more at the sales and customer relationship side of enterprise software. It's the soft people skills that the AI actually can't replicate.
@@EamonnMooneybro u rich rich dam. Do u have a degree
@@EamonnMooney .......at least not yet. Once robotics catches up to AI, we can only hope they figured out universal basic income...:(
I think sales will be the first one to be affected by AI, before programming jobs. As whatever code generated by AI now takes more time debugging than writing the code yourself.
@@EamonnMooney you are not getting it though. Soft skill will be easier to replicate with AI. With large language models and add some text to speech you get a perfect AI for jobs that heavily rely on soft skills
Great video!
Love the shirt. Let’s go Fernando!
We won't know what will happen for sure. There is not always an even creation of alternative careers when compared to those that are destroyed. AI may be one of those that will take some industries longer to adapt than others (within anything coding.) This may be used to leap frog productivity yet again however it all depends on what the goals are, Microsoft appears to be attempting to replace all coders at some point with AI. If they succeed and others follow in order to compete then no this will not create new jobs. Unless existing coders use it to build alternative apps and products!
It will be an intersting time even more so when I'm doing a shift in employment from IT to coding!
Eliminating coders will just mean the spending on coders shifts elsewhere, and the cost of software will decline. You'll probably see a massive expansion in product managers who used to be coders that are using AI-based solutions to create products. That's probably the "worst case" scenario. As it happens, it's very unlikely that even that happens. ChatGPT is really only good for writing very simple software, with quite a bit of hand holding -- and it's unreliable at doing that. It has already consumed about 1/3 of the public internet, so it's unlikely to get appreciable better any time soon. In general, to get an incremental improvement in AI, you need either an incredible amount of purpose-specific fine tuning (which gets harder and harder the further you drive it), or exponentially more data. ChatGPT is already past the point where there is enough data to significantly improve it, so they have to go the fine-tuning route...which will probably just make it incrementally more reliable at handling very specific tasks.
@@AUniqueHandleName444 I agree and that's why I've thought of changing courses to PM instead of going from IT->dev right away instead of my original course IT->dev->PM.
I think learning core fundamentals will be critical in any field. Like in web dev once you learn the basics of HTML CSS javascript you can pretty much master any framework of javascript. Same for java spring boot. Technology, and framework will come & go but fundamentals will remain the same.
Html css js are core fundamentals it's dbms os coa toc paradigms networking and programming
the guy is telling the real words. appreciate your sincerity.
I just liked the optimism, but behind that was the research and the critical thinking. Good stuff.
Thanks for your level-headed take. We need more of that and less of the sensationalism the media is optimized for. I bet GPT agrees ;)
I think you have a lot of good points. I think it could go either way.
Dunno about you, but I just want to go to the country-side and live with the animals and a couple of great people, without much techology at all. I've had enough with technology, it's getting too wild and out of hand. How do you feel about it?
I'm gonna go ahead and say it:
In every single one of your examples, people were the catalyst for the change, and people were the only option to actually *use* the new technology in every given example.
This is not the case with AI, like... at all. Except for ML experts, the AI has the potential to replace everything. What I'm basically saying is, in all of your examples, it was new *tools* that were made, and *meant* for *people* to use. C was *meant* for people to use to create other projects, it was also just something everyone doing lower level languages could learn even if they had lost their job over it.
The same goes for any language, or any framework.
With AI, that's not at all the case. It's meant explicitly to do things automatically with minimal human effort. Aside from ML Experts, and maybe Cybersecurity, both of which can only field so many workers, I simply cannot see how any job market in the industry benefits from this in the short term, AKA, our entire lifetime. I'm sure in the future, AI has the potential to be a benefit to society just like every other historical change that brought "short-term" suffering, like the industrial revolution. But for us, in this current lifetime, that doesn't help. People have a very high chance to lose their job over this, and not be able to secure another one. And people can say it benefits the future all they want, but unless there is a compromise made to those who have to suffer loses for it, it doesn't mean anything.
For everyone alive today, *this is* potentially a bad thing.
Shit it's ALREADY a bad thing
You are correct and for example, lets say this technology is allowed to run amuk, replace and destroy as many the means of support for as many people as possible but, at the same time, each person who losses their means of supporting themselves and their family will then get a pension for life. In other words, compensate the masses for the AI disruptions and make it a positive for all, not just the billionaires who by the way, already have "more money than god".
Of course, that would require a disruption of the economic system itself, a disruption for the billionaires that is, not just for the masses of workers whose means of support are taken away.
na man dont overrate it , clever bot been around for 20 years
can i ask why this not affect ml experts? im noob
@@BandaMapper Because they r the ones creating and training the AI?
4:22 "Companies exist that could not exist before"
This is a very important takeaway. You will most likely see a lot of new businesses/startups be created just because the barrier of entry has gotten easier, creating more jobs. Not to mention the amount of devs who will now be able to work on their own projects instead of working a 9-5.
Heck just during the last easter break I managed to dust off 2 side projects, blaze through bugs and roadblocks that made me put them down using ai and launched them to production. As a developer it is an exciting time because there is potential to not be at the mercy of corporations for jobs or at the vert least diversify your income/get some income security. And it just makes the whole debugging/learning process of programming smoother.
We are at the mercy of companies tf are you talking about.
@@Turnpost2552 Can you elaborate further instead of just posting childish retorts and riding off into the sunset? What is stopping devs or even regular people from using the extra productivity steroid boost to start their own passion projects or take up contracting side gigs(lets ignore the fact that this is already happening and youtube and tiktok is being flooded with people posting their earning boosts)?
One of those 2 projects I launched will literally cover my rent this month by the end of the week. If things continue at this pace I may just hand in my 2 weeks notice and work as a contractor occasionally (if I even need to). Had a conversation with a couple of other senior devs at work and nearly all of them have started some sort of project, most of them purely because it's more fun working on a project without having to waste hours fixing bugs to get things working anymore.
@@Turnpost2552
- save an emergency fund
- invest at least 15% of income into a broad based index fund
- only get into a relationship with someone else who's fiscally responsible
- use some of your free time to develop things that can bring in money
If you are entirely at the 'mercy' of a company for your financial wellbeing, you are screwing something up and should learn basic financial literacy right away.
Hey your story sounds very cool. What AI tools are you using? Just curious
@@La0bouchere Good advice but you know, for the mass of workers, it is true that the masses have been at the "mercy" of corporations since the dawn of capitalism.......and the transition from farming economy to a wage worker economy. I agree with your advice, but just that it is not practical for the mass of people. Nevertheless, it should be pursued and who knows, with enough luck, it can work......
I don’t think we can look at the past at all when it comes to this like you did. Not at all. AI is not like anything in the past, it’s so incredibly world changing.
I am quite pessimistic over this, but I don’t see a good reason not to be even after watching this
Use AI to undercut the companies that wont hire you. Be combative
Was in use for thousands of years. Nothing new under the sun.
We can look at the past. First industrial revolution: 80% of people were farmers. It was a huge, drastic change. Life eventually became better of it, but people suffered greatly because of it. Capitalist had people, including children working in factories, for next to nothing. Now.. I imagine it's gonna be like that. AI in every aspect of every industry can lead to a lot of good and improvements... but it's also gonna make most everyone (not just programmers or artists) useless. What's gonna happen then? UBI and living in paradise for the common people.. or will we be no longer needed.
To me that is still decades and decades away, not in the near future, but definitely gonna happen eventually.
@@captain4318 bruh UBI ain't happening. World economies on the brink of collapse, global climate crisis, overpopulation.
Do the math. Any major figure who says UBI will happen is spouting boiling frog propaganda. Any commoner who parrots it is deceived.
Few will admit it based on rationality, but it's over. Wealth transfer will become total and complete.
it is not...
This gives me motivation to keep learning programming.
What's gonna happend is that companies will start to compete in creating better AIs as a service in specific branches of IT and I think there is going to be lots of jobs in AI development intelligence.
What's gonna be the future of web and app development
@@mohammadthousif3869 bleak future - very boring industry anyways. That said, a very lucrative one. Everything ends. People should focus on AI / robotics / neuroscience / biotechnology instead of things like front end.
@@mohammadthousif3869 Nah don't listen to that guy. The industry will change but anyone who's been involved with a larger scale app knows how many ends need to be tied together. One example, a massive part of app development involves human interaction. This requires human decision making and human intuition. The nature of the job may change, the amount of developers may be reduced. But at the end of the day, understanding the entire stack is going to be a valuable skill, even if you are just reviewing code or managing .
AI really isnt that impactful in actual coding, but I can see how you would think that
@@m.Gladislaw I may be wrong in predicting a bleak future - but if i am right, than that is good for humanity. Web development has not made life easier / better for most people. Social media is the biggest blocker of productivity in human history after alcohol. We need real advancements, not more web devs.
My best friend has been a programmer for about 6 years now, currently a team leader and well on the way to a managerial position. I'm interested in becoming a programmer but I have zero knowledge in IT, plus I'm 31. I've always been kind of smart but programming just seems so ridiculously complex. I asked my friend if there's even a point in learning now with this ai and told him what people are saying online. His response was ''the ones telling you not to learn programming, because ai will take over, are most likely not programmers themselves''. As I've said in another comment, I don't plan on living for hundreds of years. I don't want to spend years learning something, only to find it was all in vain in the end and having to start all over again because ''you need to adapt''. I agree but we can't simply flip a switch.
if you're hungry enough, you'll flip whatever switch needed.
Damn I am same age and I feel exactly same way!
what's ur plan now?
Should have learned a trade, bro😂😂😂😂😂
Damn straight! I've got 8 years experience programming and my thinking is that by the time AI reaches the level of replacing programmers we have larger problems
It's a catch 22 really. Chat gpt can do junior level tasks that empower engineers. But that closes a lot of doors for getting into the industry in the first place. It'll be like the trades where everyone is 40+ and there's no new talent coming in
It also enables junior level devs to do more junior level things, assuming they're willing to learn on their own.
The junior devs will still be needed, we aren't at the point of being able to trust ai generated code entirely just yet.
@@richardshipe4576 "yet", Are we going to wait until the last minute to plan for that?
There'll be plenty of new talent coming into trades now though lol
Thanks for the data-based research.
I have a perspective, Developers will be hired more because we need different AI products to integrate with other fields like healthcare, automobile etc plus more AI means more chance of getting new startups booming. So I am optimistic but one thing is for sure have multiple income streams and have good dev skills.
Thank you!!!
This is the hopium I needed.
Thank you!
It’s about utilizing AI and revolutionizing how it’s used in ways others haven’t. Those who do well think ahead and outside the box. I think there’s so much more potential of what can be done with it than anything
I think the same, thats why i look for connections like this video
I don’t use Co-pilot at work because I don’t want to share my screen and for people to see that 😂. It’s been mostly wrong also, except for basic ideas and autocomplete. I do use it for personal projects though. I feel like it could help me learn new languages faster.
Have your herd of CopilotX?
The big problem is if Chat GPT pull the plug on their service - anything using it will come to a stop. Also, once it gets "embedded" you can expect a per query cost structure to be introduced. This is the "first one is free" to hook future junkies.
Big tech companies will have their own AIs
I think you’re right, also I believe the jevons effect is at play. No matter how efficient ai gets at writing code, there will always be near infinite demand for code so it will balance out.
so the infinite demand for code will be balanced out by the infinite supply of code written by ai. why’re you talking like this is a good thing lol. that’s fucking horrible it means we’ll all be jobless
@@user-th8pr7no5p Well, you may be. I'll be capitalizing on this new tech.
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Good videos man!! Keep going!!
I really hope it's a case of, say, a drill not being able to much without a carpenters skills and intuition.. In that, it's a powerful tool, but useless, without direction. (I've spent the last few years studying, and only started finalising my portfolio/applying around the same time GPT started making serious headway...).
Yeah like I'm on a group chat in my school with like 20 people who are learning code who want to become SWEs and like a third left because they thaugh the the job marked in software was gonna crash and I stayed mainly because there will just be newer types of jobs around AI and the improvement of Ai
This shows that even if the number of jobs might decrease, the number of people entering the industry might decrease too, meaning less competition.
Pretty wild decision to quit their career paths when things are just starting to get really interesting. We'll need more _good_ programmers than ever.
Two paths for a software engineer to focus now for the future: networks/Distributed systems(cloud), and math.
There will be a need for creating an ecosystem and managing it for these models, and there is a need to produce them. Pick which one is right for you and learn it :)
I would bet that the more experienced of us in this field the less worried we are. Think Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to how we’re thinking these tools will take jobs. I’m still waiting for quantum computing to be the end all to classic computing. Also still waiting for my flying car.
haha............we were promised flying cars in the 1950's and they still keep us waiting.
You mentioning how higher level C enabled higher productivity was wise and insightful.
I think it is the best video on this topic on the internet .
Tech / Software Eng Jobs, are now moving out of the US, I am a developer in Mexico and in the past year I see many new offers with higher salaries (and remote), with same or more experience asked, before the idea was to get a full dev team with the same price of 1 US dev, allot of new recruiters / head hunters are new out of nowhere, just here in Mexico the base salary is about $150 USD a week (yes even for devs), before you had very good luck finding a $300 USD a week, and currently we can see some that offer up to $1,000 USD a week from companies that are based in the US.
Bro you're getting massively ripped off
@@juanocampo2262 This is just here over the border, if you go further south-america, DEVs still make less, the recruiters keep about 90% of what the US companies are willing to pay (only 10% goes to the DEVs)
Yep....the rules of the game favor capital, not labor, that is why the economic system is called CAPITALISM. Ok, capital writes the rules in its favor so there is that too. By the way Oscar, your written English is very good.
I feel that the comparison of this current technology from previous technology is incorrect. Previous technologies created jobs since you needed new skills to implement then.
The difference is humans were needed to do the work, the maintaining of the new technologies.
Now you only need a fraction of the humans in order to maintain the technology; the technology is doing the thinking and coding.
The technology is now becoming a threat to you and it's learning rapidly.
Starting my slow journey this summer computer programming
I'm not currently using AI,
sure I have messed around with it, but having done that I see its limitations.
I likely will use it as a tool when I have need of it, however right now I'm still learning, so best not to take to many short cuts this early on :D
the limitations will be fixed by the next release.
@@maklame3318 XD no they wont XD
but I'm sure more limitations will be put onto AI by the gov :P
what version did you use?
@Jiara I have tried a few now, XD. Bing AI is the most amusing right now.
If you ask it different questions, it will gets a little stuck.
I asked it how to recover a deleted webpage, and it got stuck, told me to change the subject.
so I opted for one of the subjects it was promoting 'the meaning of life' apparently its the same subject as 'how do you recover a deleted webpage' XD
did find some use out of Notions AI to make dummy text. but its very vague and doesn't really imagine anything :/
simply puts words together, a monkey could do that.
Midjourny with discord was ok, it makes nice images, but couldn't make anything I could use as a starting point for inspiration. :( they were just too similar and generic, I tend to use Unsplash for inspiration ideas now.
ChatGPT I've not seen a reason to try. tho I have been curious upon occasion.
TBH ChatGPT probably has the most potential,
but is still a baby,
and I'd rather avoid it until it grows up a little so I don't end up getting disappointed :/
In time all these AIs will grow, right now they really are very young.
Its difficult to depend on a baby to help you with your work, without doing extra work.
for now, I wait and watch evolution of digital life to see if it gains actual intelligence rather than simulated intelligence :)
@@Mel-mu8ox did you try chat gpt4? its the one you need to pay 20$ a month to use it
Finally! The amount of people talking about the React framework drove me crazy
Chat GPT is like a big sword - it is powerful, but can only be as powerful as the hand that weilds it. Imagine when companies do shake and bake projects with millions of lines of code from Chat GPT, what will they do on the day it breaks, and can't find developers, let alone ones who can unwind millions of lines of "auto generated" code ?
The thing is AI provides a worker that's basically a super genius that works for free, never gets tired and can work 24/7. Why would anyone want to hire an old school human being with all their short comings?
AI does not do that.............haha
@@alals6794not now, but it will in the near future
@@alals6794think about the growth of ai in the next 5 years. It sure will replace lots and lots of job. I am thinking of doing electrical or mechanical engineering now instead of cs
i am a fitness trainer and a fullstack dev (self thougth) and i building an app that us chat gpt for building plans and talking to clients', I think ai will open more jobs for sure
I don't want to support AI because it's not just programmers who have had their code scraped. Right now creatives are hurting because their data/creation has been taken and appropriated in generative AI systems without their consent or knowledge. They are actually losing their jobs, so are writers etc. and many other industries. Show solidarity with other groups than your own, because if you don't there's nobody to have your back when it's your turn.
You are correct and those people should be compensated.....
I think it should be taken and given to the hands of artists and programmers I don’t think we should completely get rid of it because it could be used to remove stress from more tedious tasks.
I think it definitely will spawn more IT jobs since this needs a ton of computing power and bigger farms need more admins. Also don't underestimate how big of a management workforce you need per technician.
Diversify your skills and assert dominance
some companies disallow to use ai tools to avoid ther code to be collected/used by ai owners companies
Hi Aaron is freemote course still active or have you stopped the enrollment process?
Jobs were created previously because the technological developments changed the power source (a horse gets replaced by an engine, for instance) or the tool (a typewriter replaced hand transcription, for example). AI replaces the directing agent itself, and that is you and me.
yea but at the rate chat gpt is envolving way faster than we thought and if 10 ppl where supposed to do a job like create a large website now 1 person is enough so there will be 50% or more layoffs in the future(1-2 yr max) so i as a bigginer am sceared to go study for 4 yr in cs and than realise that nobody will need me
The job field isn't going to disappear, just become more competitive with advancing development in AI. Don't need a team of 20 if a team of 3 can do the same job by using AI as a tool
This raises a lot of questions, some of them are:
How much complexity can we reach in our products that have an actual demand in the market?
How much different the new things we have to learn to adapt?
How much time it'll take for the need to learn new things to rise up again?
I think the only benefit we'll get from all of this evolution, is the ability to work on our own ideas easier than ever, and get to discover the next big ideas really quickly.
In terms of working in a company using the AI as an assistant, I'm afraid It'll get so easy for beginners, leaving professional with similar salaries no matter how skilled they are. This one triggered my first question above.
The drawbacks will be so massive that everyone will think how stupid it was to even dream this could've been a good thing.
Clownworld 2.0 is here.
@@darklightprojector2688 Your linguistic output seems to be limited in scope and substance, as the statement in question fails to articulate any discernible or substantive point, and thus comes across as somewhat trivial and unenlightening.
@@anasouardini What value does your comment bring to the table?
@@dogma7911 Every subject matter is inherently complex and multifaceted, and as such, elicits a diverse range of perspectives and viewpoints. In regard to the worthiness of my own opinion and the value it holds for you, it is important to acknowledge that individual perceptions and interpretations are highly subjective and vary significantly between individuals. Consequently, I must inquire as to the extent of the impact and significance that my commentary has had on you, and furthermore, how you would characterize and evaluate my particular standpoint on the matter at hand?
@@anasouardini You have interesting viewpoints to consider, but bringing down others does not uplift anything. You seem intelligent on your views of the matter, not by obfuscations, nor ridicule. That only portrays deeper insecurities masked by arrogance on your part. Kindness goes a long way.
Chat GPT did not replace stack overflow, it gets a lot of stuff wrong and many times I have to fact check and correct it.
and if brilliant devs stop contributing to stack overflow / personal blogs ... HOW will future iterations of chat GPT 'learn' ? (like a chicken before the egg type stuff)
@caidbuch2010 uhm the people coding it?
I don't know how chat GPT learns but I dont think it learns from stack overflow
@@kitkatk5152 it probably does. It's fed huge chunks of data from all over the internet, there's no way that for coding it didn't take anything from stack overflow.
Think little bit ahead and try to imagine future GPT versions Even GPT-4 vs GPT-3 is huge leap ahead. Stack overflow is history now (especially when GPT plugins becomes public). GPT-5, maybe GPT-6 but definitely GPT-7 will wipe out 90%+ of programmers forever.
I am very interested in AI and I am looking to shift my career from boring Market research to coding and programming. Your video was quite helpful and I agree with your points, there is still a lot to be discovered in the field of computers and AI something that will be a lot more obvious in hindsight.
programing and coding is something AI would do really soon
@@j.a.3138 Maybe at the very beginner level it could do it reliably. But it would take years and years for it to be able to write develop and debug large scale projects. There are so many complexities that are not going to be replaced soon. And when they do, AI would have become so advanced close to any other job out there would have already been replaced.
I have been trying and failing for several weeks trying to use AI chat... for programming (I have decades of experience). What I found is that, at best, AI can give you a boiler plate empty template for portions of work. It does have a fairly good auto-completion capability saving me a few minutes here and there. I understand AI will get better and may able to get more and more of the job done. But it's still garbage in --> garbage out. You still need to study how to request AI to write code, which takes quite a bit of subject mater expertise (college level study). So don't sweat it. At least not yet.
crazy thing is chatGPT doesn't even work when it comes to outputting correct code you can use half of the time. It's a good learning tool like stackoverflow.
if you are designing or coding anything that needs the slights problem to solve that is not generic you cannot ask the chatbot to solve it , there are already 1000s of tools that aready automate the majority of these processes , putting it all together or solving the main problem is what you need to do most of the time and you need deep knowledge to solve moderate to difficult problems that are not already solved , AI isnt gonna solve that and its not even gonna write the code since it wont have the know how , basically it will reduce unnessesary programming -- but i havent used it for anything significant yet, i havent needed to why would i fall behind if i dont even need it for the domain in question
Even if AI can do all the coding as far as I understand, there is still need for someone who knows which questions to ask (as in the example of ChatGBT) and which answers to accept or reject. I watched quite a few similar summaries and studies about tech and AI and even if AI would to replace a lot or most Dev jobs, there is still a need for the people to manoeuvre the AI, at least at our current state, so that could be a job too for those learned.
In the end I think it's useless sitting around doing nothing as you said.
AI is upgrading itself in like 6 months ... So wait for an year or two and the AI will do everything what you want ... You just have to explain him in a better way. Chat GPT is a baby dinasaur who has just hatched from its egg ... Just wait and watch
I'd argue that I have learned quicker too, just by rubber ducking with chatGTP. I can learn alternative ways that didn't even occur to me sometimes. B it does good to have some scepticism and ability to fact check from the original documentation if things exists etc. Since the AI tends to hallucinate from time to time.
you can't even spell chatGPT right
@@jaiminparmar7996 my deepest apologies dude
@@jaiminparmar7996 nobody care
@@jaiminparmar7996 ☝🤓
@@kuzakiv3095 um ackchyually its ChatGPT ☝️🤓
I don't understand how anyone can confidently say what skills will be relevant in the future. The AI is constantly learning and processing information at an astronomical rate. If the goal is to make it perfect, it will eventually become more accurate than humans. While the timeline can be debated, the time it takes for the AI to develop and learn a new skill will outpace any human trying to do the same...
What ppl don't really understand is, AI will only help you to do the ground work for you. So your skill set is not just to do coding, or writing code. You need engineering skills. These are the skills you're taught at uni/college. AI can't do these. Because AI don't understand business context, proper analysis and end goal of your code.
This is your job to do it. So for those of you who are in the engineering journey, learn proper software engineering. Not just coding
Aaron has been a while I saw you on UA-cam maybe years
A task that would take me 3 days, takes chat gpt seconds. Yes, lots of tech jobs will be lost for good. Chat GPT actually works really well in Agile/Scrum framework when projects/features are broken down to many sub tasks. You still need a senior engineer to break down the tasks, but you definitely don’t need as many junior-mid level engineers
The age of the entrepreneur is here. Self employed or part of the team.
It's a good thing we have level headed people like Aaron Jack to give us a more realiatic perspective
May as be as of now jobs won't get completely replaced by AI, but i strongly believe employees cant demand high salaries they used to pitch in the tech industry like before.... An average person combined with these AI tools will be enough to do most works if given enough training, that said the salaries will go down awfully. Sooner or later this will happen 😢
Exactly my thoughts not only that but demand for tech professionals will reduce significantly because companies are greedy
@@StandardAndFakir exactly
Sorry but could you elaborate ? How does a AI will read a entire existing code base and decide what to do ? Which names to use for the domain and which code to change etc ? If you know how to ask AI what to do, and know to define details, so you know what to do and you are not a begginner...
@@gustavolol3 Agree as of now. But that doesn’t require the workforce needed now. The job will transform more into a monitoring role. Can’t say how exactly it will change but the future is uncertain. Ultimately all companies opt to automate their systems so they can cut down salaries and maximise profits
@@History_Mystery_Crime indeed
as an SE, i can tell you chatgpt is only helping engineers, not replacing them. just because it can give you a block of code for some simple thing, does not mean it can actually create and program a full service ... integrated with existing services on specific types of nodes ... layered with massive configs that you won't use GPT for b/c of keeping all those on secure private servers etc. You still need engineers massively, and all this will do is help make software better over time ... and maybe allow us to do some things faster.
And for those not using it ... that's like using a straight text pad instead of an IDE with IntelliSense lol. what a joke, it's there to make it easier for you.
But isn’t that what a lot of software “engineers” only do these days? Some of them are even proud that what they only do is Google stuff but still get paid ridiculous amounts. I still think we’re a few years before all software-related jobs will become obsolete but you cannot deny how much these AI technologies could impact the available positions, especially entry-level ones.
When to use Sql vs NoSql database. Everywhere its told that use SQL database when you have structured data. But when building any app, most of the time data are related to each other. So in that case as a beginner I get confused which to use when and why ?
I don't know what will happen but I am here for the ride. I see ChatGPT as a powerful tool to be added to the toolbox, the same idea with other AI-powered applications & software.
Also, I see that F1 representation. I'm a Mercedes fan tbh but Alonso & Aston Martin is cool too!
Would love to use these AI coding assistants but the federal govt is really slow to adopt such tools, especially for classified networks. 😪
Could anybody answer me about legal aspect of AI?
As I understand it is using other people work (text, code, drawings) and doesn’t share any benefits with these people. It’s looks like an illegal actions. What am I missing here?
Here’s the thing. Why is Micro$oft spending billions and billions on AI? Why are they spending 5-10M a day in infrastructure to run ChatGPT??
Companies don’t do things to advance technology or humans. They do things to make money. Is AI a product that anybody wants to buy or spend tons of money on? No.
So then why are they investing in it so heavily? Well they just think it’s going to save them a lot of money in the long run eh? On what I wonder?
I hope you're right
OK ! Try asking the AI to build high performance, available, fault tolerant system to your company. Tru asking to make a custom build process with sbt or to decide whats the best way to design your software. Ask AI to build a driver for a database or even a device driver.
I mean, the entry to the market became absurd. "Hiring Junior Dev with at least 3+ years of experience"
This is what I'm afraid of. How much worse are these AI tools going to make entry? What's the point of a bright eyed bushy tailed junior dev when a senior with an AI and some grit can solve whatever the problem is in half the time three juniors could? How big can the skill cap get? I'm a second semester sophomore in comp sci this year. I enjoy what I'm doing so much and it hurts to think that I may be wasting my time. Maybe we're overreacting but it's kinda scary ya know.
@@michaelbrumbaugh5389 you’re not overreacting. The future is AI automation. It only gets closer and closer to full automation from here.
@@WhyteHorse2023 nah. If all goes well AI will create a new jobs and transform the programming jobs we know today. If all goes wrong - we and up with economical calamity, collapse of society and evaporation of middle class. On the top will be wealthy, beautiful with good genes, and people already born in rich families. The rest will be bottom-feeder mostly doing manual labour.
@@michaelbrumbaugh5389 Think on the bright side. Ai will make it easier than ever to make startups if you’re competent. I predict there will be a new wave of startups that are utilizing this to get ahead on the big corporations, which would result in both job/entrepreneurship opportunities. Eventually the big companies will have to step up their game and start pumping out better and better features, needing devs to stay competitive in a market of supercharged developers