I love BN SD60s. The tiger stripe goes superbly with the Cascade green. I have all 3 road numbers in HO Proto 2000 (8301 is a custom number) and they are by far my favorite locos to operate along side their Oakway brethren. Thanks for sharing this awesome EMD in your scale!
Hey Eric, best review yet! Your videos are done perfectly and such a joy to watch. Thanks for all the time you have put into sharing your work. It has really inspired me and you have been a huge reason that I have gotten back into the hobby. I cant think of anyone more deserving of the MTH Blue Comet Award. If I was in charge of Lionel, MTH, Atlas, or any manufacturer, my first move would be to hire you to exclusively review the products. I hope you don't stop any time soon!
I really liked the comments comparing this engine (detail) to the other brand/lines so we can learn exactly where it stands compared to those. Great video.
@littleevan99 I'm not sure I agree with you. Just because the tooling is 10 years old, doesn't mean it's bad. It's simply an older tooling, that's all. You also have to keep in mind that all train makers have to reuse their toolings as much as they can to get as much value out of them as possible. Toolings are VERY expensive, so they have to reuse them in order to turn a profit. It's a great model and I'm very happy with it.
Such a fun review. The thing I like about your channel is the consistency. I thought this was a new video but it’s 9 years old and in my recommended. Great video quality even for today
The SD60 is a 3,800 horsepower, six-axle diesel-electric locomotive built by EMD between 1984 and 1995, for heavy-duty drag freight or medium-speed freight service. The SD60 is essentially identical to the SD50 externally, but has a different prime mover, the new 16-cylinder EMD 710G3A, and a computer-controlled electrical system. Chicago & North Western's railroad manual estimated that the SD60 is 3% more fuel efficient than SD50, while a pair of SD60s was up to 16% more efficient than three SD40s pulling a standard coal train. Norfolk Southern has been modernizing their old SD60s since 2010 into SD60Es, a model specific to NS.
I have been thinking abut getting one of these cranes. I think you just pushed me over the edge with this SPECTACULAR review. I already have the new SOO SD60 and it is awesome. Thanks so much for showing this piece off.
BN #8301 -- 2010 EMD SD-60, tiger striped, MaxxForce DT. Because I have the 2010 Volume 1/Signature Edition Catalog, I'd like to have this engine along with the Bucyrus-Erie/JCB crane and the boom car. I just love the Burlington Northern Cascade Green uniform and can't get away with it as much as I do with the Santa Fe Warbonnet/Super Fleet livery. Also, I grew up listening to the noises of the MaxxForce DT. When I was growing up it was still called the DT466. It was renamed MaxxForce DT in 2008.
Hi Eric. The fuel tank on this SD-60 looks horrible. It is clearly not to scale and that is very important to how the whole engine looks. Also very important is the correct location of the front truck. Nothing looks worse then an SD type locomotive that appears to be dragging it's front truck. Please note that I can not see this in this video, But I know on an MTH I had the location of the front truck was horrible. And yes I hate the crew talk. LOL. james
the front hook is called the lead line. the second hook is called the load line. the phrase for raising or lowering the boom is, boom up, boom down. and last but not least the out riggers are supposed to have hydraulic legs with steel pad feet. the lumber is used to build a bigger base.
Eric, I have the PRR crane, and since I could not locate a PRR boom car, I found the Santa Fe boom car, had a friend of mine put PRR decals on it. it looks nice with the black and silver, instead of yellow. Everything works the same as your video, EXCEPT..... my boom car produces steam sounds, not diesel sounds. its more of an old steam tractor sound, you can hear it putt putt putt. just curious if you would know if there is a way to change it? or is it roulette from factory?
I was into O Scale from 1976 to 1988. I began running trains again but went to G Scale in 2000. There is alot of differences between the O and G scale worlds. G scale has multiple scale ratios. I run 1:29 scale G Gauge and there is no such thing as dummy units. Even B units in G 1:29 scale are powered. However there is not the same amount of choices for G as there is for O scale.
@littleevan99 Well, times are tough and small companies like Lionel and others just don't have the resources to make sure everything works perfectly on every product. They're also extremely busy with repairs leading up to Christmas and they just don't have a large enough staff to handle it as well as it probably should be. It all comes down to the economy and companies fighting to stay alive. It's a rough time for the entire hobby.
Aw man, I absolutely dislike post diesel conversion (model) railroading, but that has got to be the coolest thing I have ever seen. You may have just converted me. If not, I am certain a nice coat of paint can make it look much more welcome among the postwar or wartime steam locomotive designs like the Northern 261. You should create a channel just for simulated operations and set up some scenarios for it! Have a freight bypass a derailment as the crane rights the problem, hook back up and get clearance to proceed, then follow the MOW train back to the shop for some maintenance.
Will I get any trains with tracks within a Rs 7000 range..That too in Indian Rupees..! Because I live in India...and I am really in love with these type of train models and Erik's videos..!!
Wow, awesome review Eric!!!!!!!!!!!! I have the BN Crane and Boom cars and love them, they are so much fun and think they are on par with Vision Line products! I have been thinking about getting the matching BN SD60, but with so many new products from Lionel that I want and so little $, it is difficult to choose! Anyways, thanks again for the awesome review my friend and have a great one! P.S. Happy Holidays!!!
Hey, Eric. Thank you so much for posting all of these fantastic videos to UA-cam. It's unbelievably helpful to be able to watch all of your How-to videos and reviews. I discovered your channel not long ago and have learned much more about the hobby since then. I was wondering if you could tell me how you create terrain in between the railroad tracks on your layout. I know one man who pours plaster wherever there is ground to give it a rough and uneven texture. Do you do anything like that?
Another great review, Eric.I've had the BN crane and boom for months but haven't had the opportunity to use them yet.You have me thinking about the SD-60 now.That second Pan Am car was jumping all over the place at the end there.That was awesome.I grew up around SP lines.They were notorious for poor track upkeep and cars moved around like that all the time (seriously all the time).Did you make that happen on purpose?If so, can you share how, please?I would like make mine do that occasionally.TY
@Weiberts Yeah, it has sequence control. At the end of the video, when I start the train moving, you can hear the "ding-ding-toot" sound that plays when sequence control is activated.
Excellent review as always Eric....almost as good as mine...ha-ha! I often wondered if anyone had to deal with fixing the strings if tension was released...now I know. Just looking at it, I wouldn't wish string fixing on anyone! Did you happen to see how far down the hooks go? I measured 30 inches on the little hook..ALOT of string!
Awesome, well done video! Good quality, great editing (I'm a professional editor). Boy, I love your track too. Do you have a video on how you made that? I've been out of model railroading for years, but am excited to get back in it!
I hope Lionel releases more sd60s but the tooling is so old I'm guessing they would end up making a new tooling. If we did get another sd60 with new tooling we would probably see kinematic pilots though
I just got a Lionel Soo line SD60M. It has Railsounds ,TMCC, operating ditch lights (with a TMCC remote) and Crewtalk. I'm looking into a TMCC remote, and are they easy to use?
thanks for the response,umm,one other question..when the boom is down in the bed of the other car,...does it go around curves that way or do you have to adjust to some degree???i am running O 72 ..great work you do..i have learned an awful lot and probably as much money as well..looking forward to your next product updates..
hey that would be a nice set if they had a caboos it would be the money i have a dd35a and i have 4 crans and cars but i would love this as a set with a caboos
I try to get over it, but I can't when you have seen HO(2 rail) layouts that are just as good, if not better than these O scale layouts. KUDOS to the O scale guys though
It's a shame that the locomotive is not a true 12 wheel drive. I owned a Lionel Chesssie SD-40 back in the late 80's and I believe that was a true 12 wheel drive but can't rememer. It sorta takes away from prototypical operation. EMD 12 wheel drive locomotives were needed for heavy operations. In the G Scale world this would have been a true 12 wheel drive locomotive.
Eric, first time I watched this video - interesting I own the older TMCC version of the CP Car and it had more of a Steam shovel Sound on the sound board. Is yours considered Legacy crane car? just curious. Other than that I love this car I just purchased another one - Chessie Crane and sound car.
I understand reusing tooling, but Lionel is just slapping in legacy and still charging a premium price. That isn't right. The fuel tank was way wrong 10 years ago and it still is today. But hey... It is a 3 rail toy train, not a scale model so I suppose it doesn't matter. I think I paid about $225 or so for my CSX Back in the day. Doubling the price just to have Legacy? It is a decent model, but IMHO it shouldn't be so expensive. The crane cars are really cool though. They bring a lot of "play
1. What's with the pumpkin-orange-and-black stripes on the hood? My guess: Work train warning stripes? 2. Can the crane lift, say, a heavy steam engine back onto the rails?
The BN markings are exactly the same as in the Lionel catalog and the real SD60. For some reason the SOO SD60 markings on the finished model are different in Lionel catalog and the real SD60. It must have been a series of mistakes.
Oh my! These are amazing. I worked at the Burlington Northern RR and this You Tube really caught my eye.
I love BN SD60s. The tiger stripe goes superbly with the Cascade green. I have all 3 road numbers in HO Proto 2000 (8301 is a custom number) and they are by far my favorite locos to operate along side their Oakway brethren. Thanks for sharing this awesome EMD in your scale!
Hey Eric, best review yet! Your videos are done perfectly and such a joy to watch. Thanks for all the time you have put into sharing your work. It has really inspired me and you have been a huge reason that I have gotten back into the hobby. I cant think of anyone more deserving of the MTH Blue Comet Award. If I was in charge of Lionel, MTH, Atlas, or any manufacturer, my first move would be to hire you to exclusively review the products. I hope you don't stop any time soon!
I really liked the comments comparing this engine (detail) to the other brand/lines so we can learn exactly where it stands compared to those. Great video.
@littleevan99 I'm not sure I agree with you. Just because the tooling is 10 years old, doesn't mean it's bad. It's simply an older tooling, that's all. You also have to keep in mind that all train makers have to reuse their toolings as much as they can to get as much value out of them as possible. Toolings are VERY expensive, so they have to reuse them in order to turn a profit. It's a great model and I'm very happy with it.
That crane has to be the coolest thing you have reviewed
Such a fun review. The thing I like about your channel is the consistency. I thought this was a new video but it’s 9 years old and in my recommended. Great video quality even for today
The SD60 is a 3,800 horsepower, six-axle diesel-electric locomotive built by EMD between 1984 and 1995, for heavy-duty drag freight or medium-speed freight service. The SD60 is essentially identical to the SD50 externally, but has a different prime mover, the new 16-cylinder EMD 710G3A, and a computer-controlled electrical system. Chicago & North Western's railroad manual estimated that the SD60 is 3% more fuel efficient than SD50, while a pair of SD60s was up to 16% more efficient than three SD40s pulling a standard coal train. Norfolk Southern has been modernizing their old SD60s since 2010 into SD60Es, a model specific to NS.
Great video. I have never seen the crane car/ work car in action before. Good job- layout is really coming along.
Fantastic review! The crane looks like a lot of fun!
That is one of the coolest things I have seen on a layout is quite some time. Great video.
I have been thinking abut getting one of these cranes. I think you just pushed me over the edge with this SPECTACULAR review. I already have the new SOO SD60 and it is awesome. Thanks so much for showing this piece off.
I love the details and pros and cons you give about each product and the prices so I know how much to save up and spend
BN #8301 -- 2010 EMD SD-60, tiger striped, MaxxForce DT. Because I have the 2010 Volume 1/Signature Edition Catalog, I'd like to have this engine along with the Bucyrus-Erie/JCB crane and the boom car. I just love the Burlington Northern Cascade Green uniform and can't get away with it as much as I do with the Santa Fe Warbonnet/Super Fleet livery. Also, I grew up listening to the noises of the MaxxForce DT. When I was growing up it was still called the DT466. It was renamed MaxxForce DT in 2008.
Great review Eric! Can't weight for more reviews. Thanks for showing the drive.
nice sound, looks nice. I LIKE IT!
Great video Eric! Love the SD-60 and the Crane and Boom Car. The Crane and Boom car is just too cool! Thanks for sharing!
The Crane car looks like a lot of fun. I have got to get 1 someday.
awesome dude! one of the best reviews!
Hi Eric. The fuel tank on this SD-60 looks horrible. It is clearly not to scale and that is very important to how the whole engine looks. Also very important is the correct location of the front truck. Nothing looks worse then an SD type locomotive that appears to be dragging it's front truck. Please note that I can not see this in this video, But I know on an MTH I had the location of the front truck was horrible. And yes I hate the crew talk. LOL. james
the front hook is called the lead line. the second hook is called the load line. the phrase for raising or lowering the boom is, boom up, boom down. and last but not least the out riggers are supposed to have hydraulic legs with steel pad feet. the lumber is used to build a bigger base.
Just too cool!
As someone who is something of a completionist, I'd have to buy all 3.
That is cool, did not know Lionel diesels did that. Im a HO guy so never knew that.
The crane and boom cars are very cool and realistic. Thanks for sharing this, Eric!
Can you run your train's in the dark, also, I love Burlington northern and this loco is awesome, your reviews are awesome
Wow.:: I didn't know Americans were this into their trains! How much does stuff like this cost?
Thousands
Eric, I have the PRR crane, and since I could not locate a PRR boom car, I found the Santa Fe boom car, had a friend of mine put PRR decals on it. it looks nice with the black and silver, instead of yellow. Everything works the same as your video, EXCEPT..... my boom car produces steam sounds, not diesel sounds. its more of an old steam tractor sound, you can hear it putt putt putt. just curious if you would know if there is a way to change it? or is it roulette from factory?
I had some old GP-7s from the early 2000s & it had a single clip inside the engine, I think one of em had where you could turn it sideways.
I was into O Scale from 1976 to 1988. I began running trains again but went to G Scale in 2000. There is alot of differences between the O and G scale worlds. G scale has multiple scale ratios. I run 1:29 scale G Gauge and there is no such thing as dummy units. Even B units in G 1:29 scale are powered. However there is not the same amount of choices for G as there is for O scale.
Nice video👏👍😍🥰
Omg ! I want all 3 ! Great review and thanks for sharing ! Happy Holidays Eric
Of course we are! Were the ones who started the whole idea!
@littleevan99 Well, times are tough and small companies like Lionel and others just don't have the resources to make sure everything works perfectly on every product. They're also extremely busy with repairs leading up to Christmas and they just don't have a large enough staff to handle it as well as it probably should be. It all comes down to the economy and companies fighting to stay alive. It's a rough time for the entire hobby.
Aw man, I absolutely dislike post diesel conversion (model) railroading, but that has got to be the coolest thing I have ever seen. You may have just converted me. If not, I am certain a nice coat of paint can make it look much more welcome among the postwar or wartime steam locomotive designs like the Northern 261. You should create a channel just for simulated operations and set up some scenarios for it! Have a freight bypass a derailment as the crane rights the problem, hook back up and get clearance to proceed, then follow the MOW train back to the shop for some maintenance.
This was really cool. the crane was the best!
Will I get any trains with tracks within a Rs 7000 range..That too in Indian Rupees..! Because I live in India...and I am really in love with these type of train models and Erik's videos..!!
this video was uploaded on my birthday!how cool!
Wow, awesome review Eric!!!!!!!!!!!! I have the BN Crane and Boom cars and love them, they are so much fun and think they are on par with Vision Line products! I have been thinking about getting the matching BN SD60, but with so many new products from Lionel that I want and so little $, it is difficult to choose! Anyways, thanks again for the awesome review my friend and have a great one! P.S. Happy Holidays!!!
Hey, Eric. Thank you so much for posting all of these fantastic videos to UA-cam. It's unbelievably helpful to be able to watch all of your How-to videos and reviews. I discovered your channel not long ago and have learned much more about the hobby since then. I was wondering if you could tell me how you create terrain in between the railroad tracks on your layout. I know one man who pours plaster wherever there is ground to give it a rough and uneven texture. Do you do anything like that?
Another great review, Eric.I've had the BN crane and boom for months but haven't had the opportunity to use them yet.You have me thinking about the SD-60 now.That second Pan Am car was jumping all over the place at the end there.That was awesome.I grew up around SP lines.They were notorious for poor track upkeep and cars moved around like that all the time (seriously all the time).Did you make that happen on purpose?If so, can you share how, please?I would like make mine do that occasionally.TY
@Weiberts Yeah, it has sequence control. At the end of the video, when I start the train moving, you can hear the "ding-ding-toot" sound that plays when sequence control is activated.
Nice Engine Eric
when are you going to make a layout video
and how is the backroom
@JolietZett Thanks!
Outstanding video Eric!
@byates59 Thanks, buddy. Happy Holidays to you too!
Excellent review as always Eric....almost as good as mine...ha-ha! I often wondered if anyone had to deal with fixing the strings if tension was released...now I know. Just looking at it, I wouldn't wish string fixing on anyone! Did you happen to see how far down the hooks go? I measured 30 inches on the little hook..ALOT of string!
Love the set.
Great review Eric! This is indeed older tooling. Lionel actually used a BN SD60 to introduce Oddesy System. Do these have sequence control?
That crane tho!!! 😍
The power flows through the third rail thats what pick up rollers are for.
Hey Eric where do you keep all your boxes ? Thats gotta take up a bunch of space unless you break them down and keep them flat
@woofystach No, they cannot move on their own. You need an engine.
hey Eric,was wondering what you have to keep the boom at to run around track,is the height a problem in tunnels and bridges??/
Awesome, well done video! Good quality, great editing (I'm a professional editor). Boy, I love your track too. Do you have a video on how you made that? I've been out of model railroading for years, but am excited to get back in it!
@littleevan99 True, but then again MTH has had the same crew talk dialogues on their engines for the last 10 years. :)
I hope Lionel releases more sd60s but the tooling is so old I'm guessing they would end up making a new tooling. If we did get another sd60 with new tooling we would probably see kinematic pilots though
@lorirocks777 Toward the end of the video I talk about the prices.
It depends, this specific model is $399 to $499, but the SD60s start at $249.
Eric great review. I have both BN SD 60's and the BN crane and boom car.
Cool!
That is awesome!!'
I just got a Lionel Soo line SD60M. It has Railsounds ,TMCC, operating ditch lights (with a TMCC remote) and Crewtalk. I'm looking into a TMCC remote, and are they easy to use?
At the end of the video did you start up the second loco or just the first one?
thanks for the response,umm,one other question..when the boom is down in the bed of the other car,...does it go around curves that way or do you have to adjust to some degree???i am running O 72 ..great work you do..i have learned an awful lot and probably as much money as well..looking forward to your next product updates..
thank's
hey that would be a nice set if they had a caboos it would be the money i have a dd35a and i have 4 crans and cars but i would love this as a set with a caboos
That's freakin' cool
@joeyoung19475 I just lower the boom down into the bay of the boom car, as low as I an get it and I haven't had any issues with clearance.
I try to get over it, but I can't when you have seen HO(2 rail) layouts that are just as good, if not better than these O scale layouts. KUDOS to the O scale guys though
It's a shame that the locomotive is not a true 12 wheel drive. I owned a Lionel Chesssie SD-40 back in the late 80's and I believe that was a true 12 wheel drive but can't rememer. It sorta takes away from prototypical operation. EMD 12 wheel drive locomotives were needed for heavy operations. In the G Scale world this would have been a true 12 wheel drive locomotive.
@trainroomgary Cool. Atlas also makes an unpowered version, I think.
I have a switcher that's kind of old, and it has the same RPM and engine noises as this crane. Is it normal for Lionel to recycle sounds?
Eric, first time I watched this video - interesting I own the older TMCC version of the CP Car and it had more of a Steam shovel Sound on the sound board. Is yours considered Legacy crane car? just curious. Other than that I love this car I just purchased another one - Chessie Crane and sound car.
can you do a review on Weaver/bowser roadrailers
I had a Lego technic crane and when the strings got tangled up it took me 2 DAYS to figure out how to untangle it
how much for one of these engines.
Are these the only Burlington Northern engines you have?
To my knowledge it would not be sound equipped. Some nonpowered units have lighting though.
Wait what do you mean when you say "separately applied" do you attach it or I'd it attached in the factory
JDM trainz o instead of having the handrails in the plastic/metal cast, they are glues into place later
think u eric i was trying to see how that crane work because i got one
Hi! I just got started with lionel, and I want to get affordable ones, and I might get something like this for Christmas. How much is this SD60?
I understand reusing tooling, but Lionel is just slapping in legacy and still charging a premium price. That isn't right. The fuel tank was way wrong 10 years ago and it still is today. But hey... It is a 3 rail toy train, not a scale model so I suppose it doesn't matter. I think I paid about $225 or so for my CSX Back in the day. Doubling the price just to have Legacy? It is a decent model, but IMHO it shouldn't be so expensive. The crane cars are really cool though. They bring a lot of "play
can you do a video of your train running ?
both
1. What's with the pumpkin-orange-and-black stripes on the hood? My guess: Work train warning stripes?
2. Can the crane lift, say, a heavy steam engine back onto the rails?
1. Safety Striping 2) It might be able to lift a smaller engine, I've never tried it.
@SeansOGR I haven't tried it, but yeah it might. Although you probably wouldn't be able to use all of the features. I wouldn't recommend it.
The BN markings are exactly the same as in the Lionel catalog and the real SD60.
For some reason the SOO SD60 markings on the finished model are different in Lionel catalog and the real SD60. It must have been a series of mistakes.
@esiegel76 Thanks :)
But that fuel tank is small
I tank your right.
@@mrk1075 Booo
Michael Nappi Trains it was a good joke lighten up a little
I have this engine #8302 and
crane car and boom car.
do you charge these things? or do you have to pay for like a 12 doller battery pack
Im new to the hobby so I was wondering if I got a non powered unit would it still have sound.
do you have the polerexpress
they need to make an n scale version
If it was a set, how much will it costs?
Does the remote come with the crane car or do you have to buy the remote and the car
Nope, the remote doesn't come with the crane. It has to be purchased separately.
@dumbird789 Watch the last few minutes of the video.
how do you ge there voices
Welcome to O-scale.